March 12, 2025 • 41 mins
The devastating reality of youth violence takes center stage as we examine recent cases of teens involved in fatal shootings. A 14-year-old boy engaged in a shootout with Newark police resulting in an officer's death, while a 16-year-old in North Carolina faces adult prison for murder under the state's "Raise the Age" law. These troubling incidents reveal a dangerous shift in youth behavior that demands our attention.
"Crashing out" has become normalized among young people who disregard consequences or innocent bystanders. Unlike previous generations where conflicts had unspoken rules—no shooting where children play, respecting elders—today's youth violence happens anywhere, anytime, with no moral boundaries. We explore how this evolution reflects a broader societal failure.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Brothers and sisters, Welcome to the Only One Mic
Podcast.
Paul Jerrod, Brooklyn Dre JustMe is back in the building,
J-Rob is off.
How y'all doing?
Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Didja be back yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
All right, so listen y'all.
Good to have the band backtogether.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I know Jay is not here tonight, so you know Y'all
can never kick me out the group.
I'm in the group.
Y'all ain't nothing withoutDavid Ruffin Crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But no, it is good to have you back on.
You know we haven't really putout any like brand brand new
shows since our last interviewand you know everybody's
schedule was a little wonky atthe time or whatever, but right
now we're trying to get it backtogether.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So, in the absence of doing the show, I know we
missed a lot of differentstories or whatever, but one
thing that's always going toconstantly be a constant, it
seems like, is these doggonekids man yeah they mine out here
in these streets and so, um, ifyou like, watch the news.
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You know, you heard about, youknow, the 14 year old boy you
know shot it out with the cops.
He ended up getting shot.
Then you have the other littleboy from North Carolina who
killed his friend oh, I don'twant to say friend, because I
don't know if they were friendsor not, apparently you know.
But anyway, he ended upmurdering another boy, 16 years
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old, years old, and now he'sbeing charged as an adult in the
what they call the right to ageact or something.
Raise the age law, what theyhave in North Carolina.
So now he's going to adultprison.
We all saw the video of himcrying and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So can we comment on that one first?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
and then the other one.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
They don't play that down, no they're not playing
that down and apparently I mean,if this is a, if this is a
north carolina thing, I mean,who's to say with the current
administration in the buildingif this is not going to be
across the board eventually?
right so just to give you alittle background, right?
Uh, the 16 year old's name wasis sean simpson of north
carolina and he was charged withfirst-degree murder as an adult
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for killing 16-year-oldZequavius Dawkins I hope I'm
saying that, right, zequaviusDawkins.
Now the video of Simpson.
Like I said, we all saw himbreaking down in tears and
calling for his mother after thejudge read the charges and gave
him the sentencing.
So, um, this particularincident occurred on january 26
when dawkins, who was walking tothe store to buy his buy items
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for his disabled grandmother I'msorry, disabled mother, part
begging your partner, disabledmother was allegedly shot by
simpson from inside a blacktesla.
So apparently he was in theback of the tesla or whatever
and you know, just shot the kid.
Apparently, you know, dawkinsand simpson had some disputes in
the past exactly, and this iswhat happened.
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As a result of that, and now,with the raise, the age law that
they have in north carolina itallows 16 and 17 year olds to be
tried as adults for certainfelonies, including murder yeah,
well in contrast to that, youhave the 14 year old boy who, uh
, was arrested for allegedly andI say allegedly because he's
still alive and hasn't beencharged or anything allegedly
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killing a cop out in newark, newjersey.
Uh, the detective name wasjoseph, and I hope I'm
pronouncing this right as kona,and the shooting took place on
Friday, on Friday evening Iguess that was like last week
Friday, I don't have the date onhand Near a busy intersection
in the North Ward of Newark, newJersey, detective Escona and
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another officer had approached agroup of people believing they
were carrying legal guns andthey just started dumping on the
police officers.
Now, one of the people that wasdumping was this alleged 14
year old boy.
Detective is kona was struckand died hours later at the
hospital and another officerthat was with him was injured.
So the 14 year old boy wasinjured also and now he's being
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charged with a murder, attemptedmurder and possessing illegal
weapons and, you know, reallytouched the community and all,
and at the time, uh, mayorbarack of newark acknowledged
that the gun violence,especially among teenagers, is
an urgent issue that needs to beaddressed collectively now
according to the so-called crimestatistics and you know,
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amongst juven they claim it wason a decline since like 2000 and
24.
They said the highest numberswas back in the 90s.
I don't personally believe that.
Me either.
And the reason being is because, you see now, with the
influence that a lot of thesekids have, you know, in terms of
the music and everything likethat, the kind of applause and
stuff like the drill rap and allthe stuff like that, I
(05:24):
personally, personally think andanybody that's listening can
correct me if I'm wrong I thinkthat those numbers are a little
bit fudged, if you ask me.
I agree.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think the 90s was terrible though.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, the 90s was terrible, but I'm talking about
like right now.
They claim that juvenile crimeis on the decline.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know what I think it is in the 90s though I could
be wrong, but it might soundsilly when I say this.
I think that people have moredirection in the shooting, or
something like that.
You know what I mean.
I could be wrong by saying that, but it looks like they were
actually trying to hit somebodythat they had a problem with.
It's like these kids are open,open, open fire in a doggone
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mall.
They don't care where ithappened at.
You know what I mean.
I'm not saying none of it, noneof it's good.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
None of it's good.
But when you talk aboutjuvenile violence and I'm glad
you brought that up, because ifyou go on you know X or Twitter
or whatever you want to call it,or countless videos you've seen
on TikTok the reality is a lotof them videos are showing young
people beating up teachers,beating up each other, beating
up random people in the street.
You know what I mean and Idon't understand how they claim
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that it's on a decline.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, I don't, I don't.
I think that.
Well, I think a number ofthings I will say in regards to
them saying it's on a decline.
I don't agree with that.
I'm, you know, I'm here in NewYork and all the time a teenager
is getting shot in the Bronx,which is the closest borough to
where I live.
I can only imagine what's goingon in Brooklyn, because
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Brooklyn is a much largerborough, but I'm not right there
.
You know, the media has a wayof scaring people that are in,
you know, in the, in theneighborhood, so they scare you
about your surrounding area, andthe Bronx is actually the
borough I could walk to theBronx.
That's how close I am to theBronx, and there's always
something going on in the Bronx.
And I feel like the reason whythey're saying and I know this
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is a harsh statement that I'mabout to make, but I feel as
though the reason why they'resaying that it's on a decline is
because they really don't careabout the people who are like
migrants that are here, becausethere there's a lot of shootings
going on every single day.
Birthday, like, doesn't matter,middle of the night, it doesn't
matter it.
Back in the 90s it seemed likethings went down at night, you
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know what I'm saying.
Or when you woke up, you wantedto talk about a good fight that
you missed.
You know a fist fight, you know.
Or if it was a shooter andsomebody got shot, you know, a
lot of people came out tomorrowand they wasn't shooting at the,
the, the, the visuals and allof that.
Now they shooting like they,shooting wherever you at out
here, there's no regards,there's no, I think.
I think we can all agree thatback in the day, when, when
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crime took place, people had alittle bit more respect, back in
the day, like Andre said, youactually was shooting at the
person you was aiming for.
You wasn't trying to hit nobodyelse.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Not to say, kids didn't get, innocent bystanders
didn't get hit back then, theygot hit back then too.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, of course they did, but it was a.
It was a.
It was a certain standard thatyou stood by.
You don't shoot old women, youdon't shoot little kids.
You know if the block isflooded with kids, the fight
wasn't going to break out thenbecause people, or somebody's
mothers, was on the block.
People have more respect Likeyo.
I'm going to get you later.
Now there's no whole bar,everybody's just going crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
And ain't nobody got no aim and ain't nobody got no
aim.
You have morals and principlesin the midst of the foolishness.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Exactly, and you see more kids.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
And I think it goes both ways too, because when you
have these gang members andpeople involved in street stuff,
like you know, you should knowbetter than to drive around with
your kid or something like that.
You know, knowing that you'rein the midst of some foolishness
, you know what.
I mean Right.
You know knowing that you're inthe midst of some foolishness.
You know what I mean right anduh, just like uh, what they had
a rapper a couple of days ago,that ended up getting shot, yeah
, and uh, his five-year-olddaughter got killed or something
(09:11):
like that, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3 (09:11):
where was this I?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
want to say it was in somewhere in texas, if I'm
correct.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I'm not completely sure, I think his name was
little ronnie or little ronnieor something like that, I don't
know, his music, but they weresaying his five-year-old
daughter got killed in thecrossfire, or whatever the case
may be Terrible.
And I'm saying they don't, likeyou said, in our generation I
think people spared children andspared old people and stuff
(09:37):
like that.
What a term they use crash outRight, yeah, out right.
And then when they say crashout like, I'm starting to think
that means it's like whereveryou at, no matter what it is,
just go ahead and lose it allright there, you know I mean,
that's what it sounds.
I've seen videos of kids openfire in broad daylight.
You know I mean no mask on, notto say no shooting is good.
(10:01):
You know I mean, but you know Ithink again, you know also too,
the the shootings are.
You know people are.
You know children of a youngerage, 12, 15, you know, between
the ages of some, some go as lowas 10.
Well, I don't want to, I don'tmean to cut you up.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I just want to touch on the young boy uh, I believe
you said his name is Aquavius inNorth Carolina that passed.
My concerns with this are, youknow, again, we hear what the
media feeds us and then that'sall we have to go by.
But there is a serious issueoutside of the gun laws that are
in this country and that issueis bullying.
(10:43):
If they've had an exchange forquite some time, you know, you
don't know if this boy was beingbullied or not and
unfortunately, you know it's sad.
You know that we don't have alot of parents out there like
the John Witherspoon and Friday,like Craig, put the gun down,
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craig put the gun down.
We don't have a lot of that nowbecause kids, kids had kids and
we grew up with our kids and, atthe end of the day, we're not
being the parents that ourparents were, who we looked at
as being so much older and eventhough they were learning as we
went along, we weren't growinglike up, up with them.
You know we, they, we stilllooked at them as an
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authoritative figure and and thebullying, the bullying is out
of control, you know.
Rest in peace to the young 13year old girl that committed
suicide out here in Mount Vernona couple of weeks ago.
I don't know if that was a caseof bullying, but I do know that
you know it's a lot to handlewhen you're trying to grow up
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and grow into yourself and findout who you are and then you
have people knocking your.
You know something that mightbe your weakness.
You know something that you'reself-conscious about and
bullying you just beingdisrespected online.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You know a lot of exactly you might have did
something crazy as a littleyoung girl and put a picture out
there or something.
And now these little boys andput your your naked picture
online you know um you mighthave got beat up online and you
know all kinds of stuff likethat.
And again, you know you can'taccept that.
You know I mean it's like yo, Igotta go all the way out.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You know, I mean, and it's a lot, you're embarrassed
and you don't know how to handleyour emotions.
Like you don't know how tohandle your emotions, and that's
a lot being a teenager.
To begin with, it's an awkwardspace.
I don't know if you rememberbeing a teenager, because I'm
much younger than you all and itwas a long time ago for the
both of you.
I'm just joking.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I'm just joking.
My birthday is tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm old as dirt, but I'm just saying, like you know,
at the end of the day it was anawkward time for it's an awkward
time for everybody, becauseyou're not quite an adult yet,
but you're not a little kid,Like you know.
So sometimes you could be in aroom where your voice is heard,
and other times you're not evenlooked at because of the age
that you are, and then you go toschool and then the kids just
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treat you like garbage.
You know, I remember some ofthe things I got teached for.
I remember some of the jokesthat were made about me and I'm
I've been out of school for avery long time now, you know but
no, it's not not just thebullying too.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
That's, that's the tough part about it, you know.
But um, it's also like wealways talk about these, the
diet that these, these childrenhave.
I mean the tv shows.
Tv shows you're watching.
You watch Power, you watch allthe and again we watch Snowfall.
We watch all of these shows.
I mean I've enjoyed them too.
But you know, with the children, you know it's different man,
(13:37):
they're entertainment, they'resucking it in.
And then the music.
You know, the music is likehorror music.
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No-transcript using the word opswhich is a horrible word
because it might have beensomebody that just something did
light to you, but now he'sconsidered your ops.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And 95% of the kids don't even know what ops stands
for.
I don't know what it means.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You mentioned the 1090Jakes and all of that man.
What's the other kid?
Adam 22?
Adam 22.
I mean, my goodness, man, likeyou watch Adam 22.
It's like you know what I mean.
It's like Gang SustainingStreet up there or something
Like you got.
It's just like you invite allthese to do what they do and
he's making more probably, I'mquite sure, more money off it
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than they will ever probably see.
But it's just like the newblack exploitation, if you ask
me, and I don't see why morepeople like the NAACP and them
don't step up to say these guysaren't here, they're doing X, y
and Z.
You know, young kids watch this.
They're very impressionable man.
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They're very impressionable manman and ray running and I'm
can't process this like an adult, can't so when they're watching
this, these are the new heroes,you know.
I mean these are the new heroesthat they they have.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's telling them to crash out and do stuff like
that.
Not to mention you got realgang members there.
Yeah, so a lot of people don'tunderstand.
Like you know, like la cultureis different from a lot of other
cultures.
Yeah, you know, I mean Likethey're in LA and everybody's
touchable.
So it's like when you'resitting there watching like it
might be two grown men from youknow different gang sections.
That's having a discussion andit gets rough and they're
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disrespecting these gangs andcultures, each other's gang or
whatever the case may be.
But there's children in them,gangs they got to go to school.
That's going back and forth.
All they know is I'm a rolling60 Crip.
You know what I mean.
And now, according to the bighomie, you know what I mean.
This is how they say.
You know we got problems withthese cats over here.
You know what I mean.
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And they're really doing theshootings.
These kids ain't playing around.
You know these most of themcats that sit up on these
platforms or whatever like thatdon't live in the neighborhood
or they're going to, they'regoing to go back to their nice
house or whatever the case maybe, and some of them I look at
and I'm like y'all don't evenpromote this culture to your own
children.
I seen Jim Jones one time andI'm watching a show with him or
(16:15):
something Just happened to bewatching it.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Just be careful what you say about Jimmy.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Here's what I'm saying.
It's like you're on the showand you know the way I look at
his son.
His son looked like a squareand that's a good thing.
You know the way he's raisinghis son.
His son look like a square, goto school.
You know, look like he got agood family life or whatever
like that.
But when you get on theserecords and you get on this
platform and you promoting gangviolence and honestly
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necessarily promoting gangviolence, but gang culture, you
know what I mean Then whathappens is the kid that's in
Harlem don't have theopportunities that your son has.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
In fact, I want you to hear what he said recently on
the Breakfast Club, maybe abouta week ago or something like
that, but it was something alongthe lines of what you're
talking about and when askedabout the blood culture in New
York.
All right, all right, so checkthis out.
End up if you're doing crime.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You heard.
It's not a crime to be a blood.
It's not a crime to be a family.
It's not a crime.
It's not a crime to be afraternity member.
It's not a crime to be asorority member, it's all the
same thing.
It's a crime if you do crimewhile being that and that turns
into other things, and if it'smore than one of y'all doing
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crime while being.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense, man, because
he's doing, you know, fraternity.
Don't get me wrong.
You know, just like anyorganization you can, you can
have a church, have anorganization and a bunch of them
church members might be in jail.
You know what I mean.
But it doesn't mean that youknow a gang and a fraternity are
the same thing, or a gang inthe church is the same thing.
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You know, and I don't like youknow the gang or I'm not a big
fan of fraternities, masonic oryou know any kind of foolish
organization.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Me, find me, baby Me find me.
And I went to a black college,hbcu, right here.
Don't stay Me find me.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But I'm just saying I'm not a big fan.
The only thing I could join isa church.
But I'm just saying I'm not abig fan.
The only thing I can join isthe church.
But you know, that's all I'minto.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I don't think he was saying that, though, andre.
I think what he was saying wasjust because you're a part of
something, it doesn't mean thatyou're necessarily doing
something illegal If you're apart of a gang and you're
repping a gang it doesn't meanthat you're out there doing
something illegal.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
He said I'm a businessman illegal.
He said I'm a businessman.
I'm just going by what he said,what he does right.
What he's saying is he's abusinessman, right, what he's
saying is.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
What he's saying is it makes him and when you do
something, you know just becauseyou're okay.
So that's like me saying, allright, I'm a part of us, like,
whatever our fraternity is, thethree of us right, we all, we
could be doing things for thecommunity.
You could be a businessman, youcould be doing something else
until one of us right, we couldbe doing things for the
community.
You could be a businessman, youcould be doing something else
Until one of us do somethingillegal.
Everybody shouldn't be labeledas a gangbanger.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
That's what I thought somebody was saying it sounds
nice, but his problem is thatthere's a gang task force in New
York, just like the same thingthat they got caught up in in
his gang, whereas I'm quite surethat 99.9% of them cats.
That's in that organizationthat he claims and he reps that
got locked up on that charge,probably never even sold a
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cookie in the park, probablynever made a dime off the
organization, but because of theRICO laws and things like that,
they're all going to jail.
He was the only person able toescape that situation.
Why, who knows, but everybodyelse went to jail except him.
So you can't comparefraternities and what's
wonderful organization.
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It's what it started, as youknow.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I mean, it's what the history of it starts, as you
can't make that into somethingyou can't turn, you know you
can't necessarily say that,because then if we look let's
look at our Black Panthers, okay, um, and I say that because I
believe in my former life Iprobably would have been right
there along with all the BlackPanthers you know what I'm
saying.
But the thing is they startedoff something good, yeah, but
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that know what?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I'm saying but the thing is, they started off
something good.
Yeah, but that's what I'msaying.
The blood organization is notsomething that started off good.
Now what they try to do is theytry to give it some sort of
sweet start with the Crips andall the other stuff like that
and they swing it back into it.
But we know the history of that.
So the Black Panthers and thehistory of the Black Panthers
was something that started as asocial movement to help Black
people.
So even if Huey, newton and themis all wrong, even if they do
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corruptible things, if somebodycomes along right now and
righteously want to take thename of the Black Panthers and
do something right, then you cando that.
But you can't take the historyof the blood and the Crips and
make it into something wonderful, man.
It doesn't happen.
Man, I don't care what you doin life.
When you have a corruptible,when you start something corrupt
, you can't now turn around andsay it's a nice thing.
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You know what I mean.
It's just not the way it worksin life, man.
You know what I mean.
It doesn't come, you can't getwhat they say in the scripture
you can't get sweet.
And what is it?
Sweet and better water from thesame fountain.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You can't do it I'm not saying I wouldn't.
I wouldn't necessarily say thatyou can't change, because you
definitely can change, and Idon't think that that again, I
don't think that's the point hewas trying to make.
I think he was just trying tosay, like, at the end of the day
, okay, I'm in this right here,but that doesn't mean I'm doing
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everything that we've beenlabeled to do.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
But you can't make that sweet and fair seeming,
because here's the problem withthat.
Like how you're saying it, achild is listening to that, like
that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
No, that's what he's saying.
I'm just telling you what hesaid.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
No, I understand All right.
So bottom line is how you'retrying to make that argument or
say what he's saying, or presentwhat he's saying to me.
I understand it, but theproblem is a child looks at that
and says there's a child on125th Street right now.
That's looking at that clip,you say, yeah, jimmy right, yeah
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, jimmy right.
But the problem is is when hejoins up with 30 other dudes, he
may never do nothing.
He might go to work everythingand, like you said, he might be
a square, never do nothing, butwhen he puts that tattoo on his
arm he becomes a blood.
Whatever he wants to be a partof same tattoo as him.
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Get arrested and indicted.
The whole gang is gettingindicted.
You know what I mean.
So you to sell that to them kidsis is ridiculous, man.
It don't make no sense.
Man, he's, he's, he's a grownman and he's trying.
He's trying to sell somethingthat it doesn't make any sense.
Man, he's going to, he's goingto, he's this, this.
There's children that's goingto lose a future.
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Is his kid running aroundyelling blood?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, I mean, and the thing with that is is that,
like you said to your point, aperson can change A person, but
not people.
Like you know, a group ofpeople, everybody's got the same
mindset.
Now, in the sense of what he'ssaying is, if you listen to this
interview later on he spokeabout Leo Cohen and Leo I, I
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guess, was on the breakfast clubat one point and he basically
I'm just based, you know,putting it on the basics.
He said that pretty much he'smaking money off of this, like
his family got to eat, peoplegot to eat or whatever the case
is, and when they asked jimjones about it, he basically
agreed with it.
So these guys are openly finewith selling death and murder to
your community because, at theend of the day, their family got
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to eat.
Their family ain't living inHarlem with you.
You know what I mean.
Things of that nature.
So the thing that I look at withhim is like you could have took
this thing and did a little bitsomething better than just get
on here and promote this.
If anything, you're not tellinganybody how to get out of it.
Whack 100 and all of them dothe same stuff, you know.
I mean it's like you're usingit for them.
This is cannon fodder.
They get money off it becausethey can promote it.
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There's no different thansnooping all of them and you got
serena crip walking on the dogon super bowl and stuff like
that at the end oh, you had aproblem with that.
Yeah, actually I do, I'm gonnabe honest and I'm glad you said
what was your problem with?
That my problem with that isthat, at the end of the day,
you're still promoting some typeof gang violence on national
television, because she cripwalked yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Here's the problem with that.
I'm going to tell you why I sayso.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I'm not cool with the fact that you crip walking on
national television.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Serena Williams is not going to go in LA.
She's not going in LA.
We know she's born and raisedthere.
Whatever the case may be, Ithink she's from Compton.
But here's the problem is thatSerena is going to go off into
her nice house.
She's not going to beresponsible for Crip walking.
You know what I mean?
There's a little kid that'ssomewhere in Compton, somewhere
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that wants to dance and do thesame thing she's doing.
That's a problem in Compton.
You can get your head knockedoff in Compton for quick walking
.
Quick walking in the wrongplace.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Maybe this is just me thinking differently.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I just think at this point in life, man, you know, if
you're 50 years old and youstill represent gang culture,
there's something wrong with you.
This is my personal opinion.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Well, that's because they're not in a gang and when
they join the gang, they're init for life.
So a 50 year old that joinedthe game because that's the only
culture that they know, theyhave to go through that for the
rest of their life.
If they true to what they join,you never joined the gang
culture.
So you, you know, like it'svery rare that you find these
stories of people who say hey,hey, I was once in a gang, but
(25:36):
now I'm out and this is what I'mdoing now with my life.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
We interviewed a gentleman that did do that.
Yeah, but it's very rare.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
The percentage of people that got out is much less
than the percentage of peoplethat bang out until they die.
You know what?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I disagree with that.
I'm going to tell you what Ibelieve.
I you know what I disagree withthat.
I'm going to tell you what Ibelieve.
I believe it's just like myneighborhood you know where I
grew up in Brooklyn differentfamily members and stuff like
that.
I believe that there's a largeportion of dudes that you know
grow old and move out ofdifferent areas or not subscribe
to that.
The problem that I have is isthat on these platforms is there
(26:14):
a lot of old people and I'm notsaying it ain't a lot of old
people still doing it, butthere's old people on these
platforms promoting this.
You know what I mean and Ithink they're getting money off
of it, you know, and that's thereason why they're promoting it.
But the problem is like I grewup in Brooklyn.
We didn't have Bloods and Cripsgrowing up, but I know now that
there's old people in differentneighborhoods and family
(26:34):
members that I grow up that's 30and better that's claiming
blood and crip.
That was chumps or wasn't even.
You know real live dudes in theneighborhood when we was, when
we was coming up, but now thisis what they claim.
It's.
It's kind of like stupid, it'shustling backwards.
You know what I mean and I wastelling, um, I was telling, uh,
(26:55):
uh, my brother earlier.
I said yo listen, man, man, Iremember watching a documentary
on the Black Spades and therewas one member on the Black
Spades that started it and he'stelling the story of the Black
Spades.
They started as kids.
They were children startingthis.
So he was saying that they wasasked because, you know, the
(27:16):
Black Spades claim that they hada big to do with the beginning
of hip hop and everything likethat.
So I think he said he got tolike 20 years old or something
like that, and he said that youknow, we didn't really promote
hip hop like that.
He said because.
He said because we didn't thinkit was going to be around long
(27:37):
and most of us got to be 20years old and then we got jobs,
we stopped gangbanging becausethey got jobs.
That's the point.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You got to get old so what you say about that just?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
uh, I don't know, it's a lot right there.
He, you know, andre alwaysgives you a lot, and then that
what I wanted to touch on I doneforgot because I'm older, my
birthday is tomorrow.
But uh, you know, like I, I getwhat.
I get what he's saying.
I wanted to go back to the um.
I wanted to stay on topic.
We was talking about the youngboy and I did say about the
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bullying.
Like, we don't know the historybetween those two boys.
It's unfortunate that they canenforce a law saying that a 16
year old can be tried as anadult and go to jail.
The laws in this country havebeen around for so long and they
haven't been looked over.
We just keep following the samelaws and everything else has
(28:34):
evolved, except for the laws.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, you know once upon a time.
Just touch on your point.
You do know that that's how itwas right back in the day when
you talk about.
That's what I'm saying, nothinghas really changed like you, go
back to you know nothing hasreally changed.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's what I'm saying like.
This country has evolved indifferent ways and there are
certain laws that have stayed inplace.
Now, instead of them doingthese laws about when you're 16,
you should be tried as an adultfirst of all.
I personally believe every caseshould be tried differently.
Um, it shouldn't be justbecause it's similar to a
particular case.
(29:12):
We have different partiesinvolved and they should be
tried differently.
The motives are all different,whatever, even if the outcome is
the same.
So I think that each caseshould be tried differently, but
what I will say is nobody'slooking at the gun laws.
Nobody, nobody's looking at thegun laws, yeah they won't look
at that and that's a big thing,that's a major thing, like we're
not looking at the gun laws.
(29:32):
They won't, yeah, they won'tlook at that and that's a big
thing, that's a major thing,like we're not looking at the
gun laws.
You know what I'm saying andthe way that we live, the way
that we live.
Look at how we live and look atour country as a whole.
The East Coast right, theydon't have.
Well, not the East Coast.
I'll say Northern East Coastdoesn't have gun laws like
Southern East Coast and SouthernEast Coast doesn't have gun
(29:52):
laws like Southern East Coastand Southern East Coast doesn't
have gun laws like Texas.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
But you know what an NRA member would say to you.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Let's go guns.
That's what they would say.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Well, they would say, let's go guns.
But also they would say thatguns that are killing people are
not guns that are purchasedpeople, are not guns that are
from elite, they're not gunsthat's purchased out of a store.
They're guns that are boughtillegally or they're trafficked
illegally so so I.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So how are those guns getting into our community?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I'll be honest with you.
My history of understandingthis normally through gun shows
and people buying things out ofstate illegally.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Getting into urban communities.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, you buy guns out of state illegally at gun
shows and you normally can gosomewhere and buy.
This is what I'm telling you.
Back in the day, people go togun shows and they will buy a
lot of guns you know what I meanand they will buy them under
the table and then they willcome back up top and sell them.
That's how it normally happensin gun shows, or if you buy it
at a gun shop or something likethat.
(30:56):
That's how it normally happens,I mean so.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I find it crazy that when I move I'm just going to
make this statement I find itcrazy that when I moved to
Delaware and I moved to Delaware, I believe, in 98, permanently
Right I find it crazy that bythe time 2006 hit, I moved there
(31:23):
in 98.
By the time 2006 hit and Ibought my house in the city of
Wilmington, I find it crazy thatit was easier for me to get
access to a firearm than it wasfor me to get a dime bag of weed
.
There's something wrong withthat.
It's really something wrongwith that.
(31:43):
It's something wrong with thatbecause and I feel like you know
, honestly speaking that'sbecause the government knows
that we can't really kill, youcan't kill us off.
So why have so much of it inour community?
But more of what is going tokill us off?
These liquor stores.
I could walk to the liquorstore from the house I bought
(32:04):
and then what's crazy is you gotfive churches in my area,
around my block, that I couldwalk to five churches, but then
you got mad liquor stores and Ihave access to guns, but I
couldn't even get a dime bag aweek let me ask you a question,
and I know the gun laws areimportant and things of that
(32:24):
nature, but do you think ofchanging the gun law?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
was going to change the fact that this kid shot and
killed somebody?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
no, I feel like what is so sad is that bullying is
I'm not saying that he wasbullied, but I'm I'm saying if
he was, it's something that'snot really addressed is after
the kid dies.
Then we say, oh, that's so sad.
The kid is gone and you know,no, like the way we're bringing
(32:54):
people up.
Like why did that boy think tolook to a gun instead of beating
this dude up?
Like beating this dude up, noneof these kids out here are
beating anybody up Some.
Yo, when we got back to schoolafter summer, that was the first
thing we talked about.
Yo, you remember when so-and-sogot knocked out by
such-and-such?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
The difference is now is that again no morals and no
principles in that regard.
You're thinking in terms ofjust two people shooting a fair
one, but that's not happening.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
The problem is that they're desensitized to murder.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
The society?
It's not.
I remember one time or anotherto see somebody get shot.
You were like, oh, now it's onFacebook, you can watch somebody
get their head popped off.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Or watch it on Twitter and that X you can watch
full blown murder and they docommentary on it like it's a
joke.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
So I think that's the problem.
The problem is not necessarilyand don't get me wrong, I don't
think guns should be here either, but the problem is not I don't
believe guns, I believe theproblem is guns and a whole
other host of things that makeit a big issue.
You know what I mean as far aslike what they consume, as far
as television, what they consume, as far as, like you know gangs
, you know what they consume, asfar as you know just the music
(34:06):
entertainment, everything, man.
So I think all of that plays apart in you know what they
consume, as far as you know youknow just the music
entertainment, everything.
So I think all of that plays apart.
And you know these kids makingbad decisions.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And again, we're not just saying our people, because
this happens across the board.
It's just the fact that we as apeople are more publicized in
regards to the violence andeverything like that.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
But again, if you go on any of these platforms that
show all types of differentvideos and things like that,
it's not just black folks andyou know it's not folks, it's
not a lot of white people thatstart, they're getting busy and
things like that it's the samething like with welfare not to
cut you off, but remember howfor so long it was such a stigma
and such a thing where allthese black people are on
(34:50):
welfare and if you check,there's more people non-people
of color than people of color onwelfare yeah, and I mean, and
I'll be honest with you guys, Iknow we can go deeper into this
thing, but time you know yespermits that we have to kind of
stop right now.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But, um, I just want to leave you with this.
We are the only culture that'son adam 22s and the j1090s and
all of that, that's promotingour gang violence and things of
that nature.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, the gang violence wake up, people wake up
.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
However, you don't see any of our brown brothers on
there promoting nothing thatthey doing in terms of that.
Not that I see, and I will tellyou this like I was discussing
with my brother and it don'teven matter, man.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I mean, I think they, I think they do have a couple
of brown brothers in there, butstill it don't even matter, man,
brown brothers, black brothers.
I mean even if you got whitebrothers, nobody should be on
there promoting gang violence,and that's what I was about to
get at.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I was about to get at is because, like we had that
discussion before and if youwatch the, you know President
Trump's congressional address,President Trump's congressional
address, he already classifiedMS-13 as a terrorist
organization.
So a foreign terroristorganization.
However, there are a lot ofMS-13 members here in the United
(36:05):
States, so the discussion thatwe were having offline was
basically how long do you thinkit's going to take before that
train rolls over?
To the Bloods and Crips andwhatever organization, if you
want to call it an organization,because at the end of the day,
when that violence gets out ofcontrol and, as he said, he's
going to crack down on violencein every major city what do you
(36:28):
think is happening?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, and like we talked about this law here, the
raise the age law, how long doyou think that takes?
Like I was just telling mybrother, man, it's going to be
one murder away for them to sayacross the board, this is what
we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
You know what I mean and I just want to say that 14,
you said boy in Newark right,new Jersey.
Let me tell you something aboutthat little 14-year-old boy.
God spared his life because,realistically speaking and
technically speaking, the waythings have been going, he
wasn't supposed to make it out.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Initially I thought they killed him.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So I hope, I hope that the prison system or
whatever he's not going toprison, but whatever system he
gets in, I hope it works for him.
I hope that the prison systemor whatever he's not going to
prison, but whatever system hegets in, I hope it works for him
.
I hope when he goes in there itdoesn't have the adverse effect
like it does for so many.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I thought very seriously he'd be in prison, but
he's going to do something.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
He's not going to do prison?
Yeah, they probably put him ina little juvie hall.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Well, he's going to be in juvie until he age out
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Right, right.
And my thing is God forbid hegot to fight off any bullies in
there.
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well, y'all do know also one of Trump's stipulations
now was that any cop that getkilled, that's an automatic
death penalty.
That's what he's trying topropose you understand what I'm
saying.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
So God forbid he get in any trouble.
And they say, well, guess what?
He caused problems the wholetime.
He was in here not realizingbecause Trump would never make
it in a juvie hall, nor would hemake it in a prison.
And at the end of the day, ifthat little boy could get out
and he got a fight for survivalin there because I'm not saying
what he did is right, but if hegot a fight for survival and he
(38:07):
act up quote, unquote, act upand they feel as though he acted
up, he's going to prison and ifhe goes to prison, there go the
death penalty right there forhim.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
So that's another little boy that we lost, so we
lose him one way or another.
It ain't going to be an easyride.
It ain't going to be an easyride.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I wouldn't be surprised if he don't go to jail
.
I don't think he's going toprobably end up going to jail
because the liberal laws betweenNew Jersey and New York
probably won't put him in jailforever.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
But going to put him in jail forever.
But then again thisadministration is different.
They're not going to try him asan adult.
They said that's not going tohappen.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
But he's going to be put in a situation where he's
going to have to fight and he'sgoing to do something to defend
himself and then he's going tohave to go to prison because he
had to do that.
And then he's going to be triedas an adult and they're going
to say you had repeated offenses.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
We don't know that.
We don't know if he hadrepeated offenses.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I'm trying to tell you he's screwed.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
either way I wouldn't disagree with you on that.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Thank you for finally not disagreeing with me, andre.
It's been great being back youguys.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, we came to a common goal with you two.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I'm very happy about that.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah, finally came to common ground Today.
What do you call it?
What did I call you before?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Oh, here we go.
Don't talk about it, let's justend the show you know what I'm
saying Just end the show End iton a high note.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, end it on a high note, end it on a high note
.
She's a safe haven for blackpeople.
Man, I am too man, but she's asafe haven where it's like you
know, you meet them people thatno matter what somebody do wrong
, you've been trying to find thebright side to it, or whatever,
like that man.
So I think that's one of herthings man Well you know what
God bless me with that quality.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I'm going to own that .
I'm going to receive that.
I ain't trying to find theright side to everybody.
I'll give you love when youdeserve love, but I ain't
finding the right side to it,and that's why you balance,
that's why we balance each otherout, because I respect that as
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How y'all doing?
Hello, hello, hello.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Didja be back yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
All right, so listen y'all.
Good to have the band backtogether.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I know Jay is not here tonight, so you know Y'all
can never kick me out the group.
I'm in the group.
Y'all ain't nothing withoutDavid Ruffin Crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But no, it is good to have you back on.
You know we haven't really putout any like brand brand new
shows since our last interviewand you know everybody's
schedule was a little wonky atthe time or whatever, but right
now we're trying to get it backtogether.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So, in the absence of doing the show, I know we
missed a lot of differentstories or whatever, but one
thing that's always going toconstantly be a constant, it
seems like, is these doggonekids man yeah they mine out here
in these streets and so, um, ifyou like, watch the news.
(01:38):
You know, you heard about, youknow, the 14 year old boy you
know shot it out with the cops.
He ended up getting shot.
Then you have the other littleboy from North Carolina who
killed his friend oh, I don'twant to say friend, because I
don't know if they were friendsor not, apparently you know.
But anyway, he ended upmurdering another boy, 16 years
(02:00):
old, years old, and now he'sbeing charged as an adult in the
what they call the right to ageact or something.
Raise the age law, what theyhave in North Carolina.
So now he's going to adultprison.
We all saw the video of himcrying and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So can we comment on that one first?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
and then the other one.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
They don't play that down, no they're not playing
that down and apparently I mean,if this is a, if this is a
north carolina thing, I mean,who's to say with the current
administration in the buildingif this is not going to be
across the board eventually?
right so just to give you alittle background, right?
Uh, the 16 year old's name wasis sean simpson of north
carolina and he was charged withfirst-degree murder as an adult
(02:48):
for killing 16-year-oldZequavius Dawkins I hope I'm
saying that, right, zequaviusDawkins.
Now the video of Simpson.
Like I said, we all saw himbreaking down in tears and
calling for his mother after thejudge read the charges and gave
him the sentencing.
So, um, this particularincident occurred on january 26
when dawkins, who was walking tothe store to buy his buy items
(03:11):
for his disabled grandmother I'msorry, disabled mother, part
begging your partner, disabledmother was allegedly shot by
simpson from inside a blacktesla.
So apparently he was in theback of the tesla or whatever
and you know, just shot the kid.
Apparently, you know, dawkinsand simpson had some disputes in
the past exactly, and this iswhat happened.
(03:33):
As a result of that, and now,with the raise, the age law that
they have in north carolina itallows 16 and 17 year olds to be
tried as adults for certainfelonies, including murder yeah,
well in contrast to that, youhave the 14 year old boy who, uh
, was arrested for allegedly andI say allegedly because he's
still alive and hasn't beencharged or anything allegedly
(03:55):
killing a cop out in newark, newjersey.
Uh, the detective name wasjoseph, and I hope I'm
pronouncing this right as kona,and the shooting took place on
Friday, on Friday evening Iguess that was like last week
Friday, I don't have the date onhand Near a busy intersection
in the North Ward of Newark, newJersey, detective Escona and
(04:18):
another officer had approached agroup of people believing they
were carrying legal guns andthey just started dumping on the
police officers.
Now, one of the people that wasdumping was this alleged 14
year old boy.
Detective is kona was struckand died hours later at the
hospital and another officerthat was with him was injured.
So the 14 year old boy wasinjured also and now he's being
(04:39):
charged with a murder, attemptedmurder and possessing illegal
weapons and, you know, reallytouched the community and all,
and at the time, uh, mayorbarack of newark acknowledged
that the gun violence,especially among teenagers, is
an urgent issue that needs to beaddressed collectively now
according to the so-called crimestatistics and you know,
(05:01):
amongst juven they claim it wason a decline since like 2000 and
24.
They said the highest numberswas back in the 90s.
I don't personally believe that.
Me either.
And the reason being is because, you see now, with the
influence that a lot of thesekids have, you know, in terms of
the music and everything likethat, the kind of applause and
stuff like the drill rap and allthe stuff like that, I
(05:24):
personally, personally think andanybody that's listening can
correct me if I'm wrong I thinkthat those numbers are a little
bit fudged, if you ask me.
I agree.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think the 90s was terrible though.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, the 90s was terrible, but I'm talking about
like right now.
They claim that juvenile crimeis on the decline.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know what I think it is in the 90s though I could
be wrong, but it might soundsilly when I say this.
I think that people have moredirection in the shooting, or
something like that.
You know what I mean.
I could be wrong by saying that, but it looks like they were
actually trying to hit somebodythat they had a problem with.
It's like these kids are open,open, open fire in a doggone
(06:06):
mall.
They don't care where ithappened at.
You know what I mean.
I'm not saying none of it, noneof it's good.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
None of it's good.
But when you talk aboutjuvenile violence and I'm glad
you brought that up, because ifyou go on you know X or Twitter
or whatever you want to call it,or countless videos you've seen
on TikTok the reality is a lotof them videos are showing young
people beating up teachers,beating up each other, beating
up random people in the street.
You know what I mean and Idon't understand how they claim
(06:33):
that it's on a decline.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, I don't, I don't.
I think that.
Well, I think a number ofthings I will say in regards to
them saying it's on a decline.
I don't agree with that.
I'm, you know, I'm here in NewYork and all the time a teenager
is getting shot in the Bronx,which is the closest borough to
where I live.
I can only imagine what's goingon in Brooklyn, because
(06:55):
Brooklyn is a much largerborough, but I'm not right there
.
You know, the media has a wayof scaring people that are in,
you know, in the, in theneighborhood, so they scare you
about your surrounding area, andthe Bronx is actually the
borough I could walk to theBronx.
That's how close I am to theBronx, and there's always
something going on in the Bronx.
And I feel like the reason whythey're saying and I know this
(07:18):
is a harsh statement that I'mabout to make, but I feel as
though the reason why they'resaying that it's on a decline is
because they really don't careabout the people who are like
migrants that are here, becausethere there's a lot of shootings
going on every single day.
Birthday, like, doesn't matter,middle of the night, it doesn't
matter it.
Back in the 90s it seemed likethings went down at night, you
(07:40):
know what I'm saying.
Or when you woke up, you wantedto talk about a good fight that
you missed.
You know a fist fight, you know.
Or if it was a shooter andsomebody got shot, you know, a
lot of people came out tomorrowand they wasn't shooting at the,
the, the, the visuals and allof that.
Now they shooting like they,shooting wherever you at out
here, there's no regards,there's no, I think.
I think we can all agree thatback in the day, when, when
(08:03):
crime took place, people had alittle bit more respect, back in
the day, like Andre said, youactually was shooting at the
person you was aiming for.
You wasn't trying to hit nobodyelse.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Not to say, kids didn't get, innocent bystanders
didn't get hit back then, theygot hit back then too.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, of course they did, but it was a.
It was a.
It was a certain standard thatyou stood by.
You don't shoot old women, youdon't shoot little kids.
You know if the block isflooded with kids, the fight
wasn't going to break out thenbecause people, or somebody's
mothers, was on the block.
People have more respect Likeyo.
I'm going to get you later.
Now there's no whole bar,everybody's just going crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
And ain't nobody got no aim and ain't nobody got no
aim.
You have morals and principlesin the midst of the foolishness.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Exactly, and you see more kids.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
And I think it goes both ways too, because when you
have these gang members andpeople involved in street stuff,
like you know, you should knowbetter than to drive around with
your kid or something like that.
You know, knowing that you'rein the midst of some foolishness
, you know what.
I mean Right.
You know knowing that you're inthe midst of some foolishness.
You know what I mean right anduh, just like uh, what they had
a rapper a couple of days ago,that ended up getting shot, yeah
, and uh, his five-year-olddaughter got killed or something
(09:11):
like that, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3 (09:11):
where was this I?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
want to say it was in somewhere in texas, if I'm
correct.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I'm not completely sure, I think his name was
little ronnie or little ronnieor something like that, I don't
know, his music, but they weresaying his five-year-old
daughter got killed in thecrossfire, or whatever the case
may be Terrible.
And I'm saying they don't, likeyou said, in our generation I
think people spared children andspared old people and stuff
(09:37):
like that.
What a term they use crash outRight, yeah, out right.
And then when they say crashout like, I'm starting to think
that means it's like whereveryou at, no matter what it is,
just go ahead and lose it allright there, you know I mean,
that's what it sounds.
I've seen videos of kids openfire in broad daylight.
You know I mean no mask on, notto say no shooting is good.
(10:01):
You know I mean, but you know Ithink again, you know also too,
the the shootings are.
You know people are.
You know children of a youngerage, 12, 15, you know, between
the ages of some, some go as lowas 10.
Well, I don't want to, I don'tmean to cut you up.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I just want to touch on the young boy uh, I believe
you said his name is Aquavius inNorth Carolina that passed.
My concerns with this are, youknow, again, we hear what the
media feeds us and then that'sall we have to go by.
But there is a serious issueoutside of the gun laws that are
in this country and that issueis bullying.
(10:43):
If they've had an exchange forquite some time, you know, you
don't know if this boy was beingbullied or not and
unfortunately, you know it's sad.
You know that we don't have alot of parents out there like
the John Witherspoon and Friday,like Craig, put the gun down,
(11:03):
craig put the gun down.
We don't have a lot of that nowbecause kids, kids had kids and
we grew up with our kids and, atthe end of the day, we're not
being the parents that ourparents were, who we looked at
as being so much older and eventhough they were learning as we
went along, we weren't growinglike up, up with them.
You know we, they, we stilllooked at them as an
(11:25):
authoritative figure and and thebullying, the bullying is out
of control, you know.
Rest in peace to the young 13year old girl that committed
suicide out here in Mount Vernona couple of weeks ago.
I don't know if that was a caseof bullying, but I do know that
you know it's a lot to handlewhen you're trying to grow up
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and grow into yourself and findout who you are and then you
have people knocking your.
You know something that mightbe your weakness.
You know something that you'reself-conscious about and
bullying you just beingdisrespected online.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You know a lot of exactly you might have did
something crazy as a littleyoung girl and put a picture out
there or something.
And now these little boys andput your your naked picture
online you know um you mighthave got beat up online and you
know all kinds of stuff likethat.
And again, you know you can'taccept that.
You know I mean it's like yo, Igotta go all the way out.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You know, I mean, and it's a lot, you're embarrassed
and you don't know how to handleyour emotions.
Like you don't know how tohandle your emotions, and that's
a lot being a teenager.
To begin with, it's an awkwardspace.
I don't know if you rememberbeing a teenager, because I'm
much younger than you all and itwas a long time ago for the
both of you.
I'm just joking.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I'm just joking.
My birthday is tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm old as dirt, but I'm just saying, like you know,
at the end of the day it was anawkward time for it's an awkward
time for everybody, becauseyou're not quite an adult yet,
but you're not a little kid,Like you know.
So sometimes you could be in aroom where your voice is heard,
and other times you're not evenlooked at because of the age
that you are, and then you go toschool and then the kids just
(13:04):
treat you like garbage.
You know, I remember some ofthe things I got teached for.
I remember some of the jokesthat were made about me and I'm
I've been out of school for avery long time now, you know but
no, it's not not just thebullying too.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
That's, that's the tough part about it, you know.
But um, it's also like wealways talk about these, the
diet that these, these childrenhave.
I mean the tv shows.
Tv shows you're watching.
You watch Power, you watch allthe and again we watch Snowfall.
We watch all of these shows.
I mean I've enjoyed them too.
But you know, with the children, you know it's different man,
(13:37):
they're entertainment, they'resucking it in.
And then the music.
You know, the music is likehorror music.
(14:05):
No-transcript using the word opswhich is a horrible word
because it might have beensomebody that just something did
light to you, but now he'sconsidered your ops.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And 95% of the kids don't even know what ops stands
for.
I don't know what it means.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You mentioned the 1090Jakes and all of that man.
What's the other kid?
Adam 22?
Adam 22.
I mean, my goodness, man, likeyou watch Adam 22.
It's like you know what I mean.
It's like Gang SustainingStreet up there or something
Like you got.
It's just like you invite allthese to do what they do and
he's making more probably, I'mquite sure, more money off it
(14:46):
than they will ever probably see.
But it's just like the newblack exploitation, if you ask
me, and I don't see why morepeople like the NAACP and them
don't step up to say these guysaren't here, they're doing X, y
and Z.
You know, young kids watch this.
They're very impressionable man.
(15:08):
They're very impressionable manman and ray running and I'm
can't process this like an adult, can't so when they're watching
this, these are the new heroes,you know.
I mean these are the new heroesthat they they have.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's telling them to crash out and do stuff like
that.
Not to mention you got realgang members there.
Yeah, so a lot of people don'tunderstand.
Like you know, like la cultureis different from a lot of other
cultures.
Yeah, you know, I mean Likethey're in LA and everybody's
touchable.
So it's like when you'resitting there watching like it
might be two grown men from youknow different gang sections.
That's having a discussion andit gets rough and they're
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disrespecting these gangs andcultures, each other's gang or
whatever the case may be.
But there's children in them,gangs they got to go to school.
That's going back and forth.
All they know is I'm a rolling60 Crip.
You know what I mean.
And now, according to the bighomie, you know what I mean.
This is how they say.
You know we got problems withthese cats over here.
You know what I mean.
(15:54):
And they're really doing theshootings.
These kids ain't playing around.
You know these most of themcats that sit up on these
platforms or whatever like thatdon't live in the neighborhood
or they're going to, they'regoing to go back to their nice
house or whatever the case maybe, and some of them I look at
and I'm like y'all don't evenpromote this culture to your own
children.
I seen Jim Jones one time andI'm watching a show with him or
(16:15):
something Just happened to bewatching it.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Just be careful what you say about Jimmy.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Here's what I'm saying.
It's like you're on the showand you know the way I look at
his son.
His son looked like a squareand that's a good thing.
You know the way he's raisinghis son.
His son look like a square, goto school.
You know, look like he got agood family life or whatever
like that.
But when you get on theserecords and you get on this
platform and you promoting gangviolence and honestly
(16:44):
necessarily promoting gangviolence, but gang culture, you
know what I mean Then whathappens is the kid that's in
Harlem don't have theopportunities that your son has.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
In fact, I want you to hear what he said recently on
the Breakfast Club, maybe abouta week ago or something like
that, but it was something alongthe lines of what you're
talking about and when askedabout the blood culture in New
York.
All right, all right, so checkthis out.
End up if you're doing crime.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You heard.
It's not a crime to be a blood.
It's not a crime to be a family.
It's not a crime.
It's not a crime to be afraternity member.
It's not a crime to be asorority member, it's all the
same thing.
It's a crime if you do crimewhile being that and that turns
into other things, and if it'smore than one of y'all doing
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crime while being.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense, man, because
he's doing, you know, fraternity.
Don't get me wrong.
You know, just like anyorganization you can, you can
have a church, have anorganization and a bunch of them
church members might be in jail.
You know what I mean.
But it doesn't mean that youknow a gang and a fraternity are
the same thing, or a gang inthe church is the same thing.
(17:57):
You know, and I don't like youknow the gang or I'm not a big
fan of fraternities, masonic oryou know any kind of foolish
organization.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Me, find me, baby Me find me.
And I went to a black college,hbcu, right here.
Don't stay Me find me.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
But I'm just saying I'm not a big fan.
The only thing I could join isa church.
But I'm just saying I'm not abig fan.
The only thing I can join isthe church.
But you know, that's all I'minto.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I don't think he was saying that, though, andre.
I think what he was saying wasjust because you're a part of
something, it doesn't mean thatyou're necessarily doing
something illegal If you're apart of a gang and you're
repping a gang it doesn't meanthat you're out there doing
something illegal.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
He said I'm a businessman illegal.
He said I'm a businessman.
I'm just going by what he said,what he does right.
What he's saying is he's abusinessman, right, what he's
saying is.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
What he's saying is it makes him and when you do
something, you know just becauseyou're okay.
So that's like me saying, allright, I'm a part of us, like,
whatever our fraternity is, thethree of us right, we all, we
could be doing things for thecommunity.
You could be a businessman, youcould be doing something else
until one of us right, we couldbe doing things for the
community.
You could be a businessman, youcould be doing something else
Until one of us do somethingillegal.
Everybody shouldn't be labeledas a gangbanger.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
That's what I thought somebody was saying it sounds
nice, but his problem is thatthere's a gang task force in New
York, just like the same thingthat they got caught up in in
his gang, whereas I'm quite surethat 99.9% of them cats.
That's in that organizationthat he claims and he reps that
got locked up on that charge,probably never even sold a
(19:25):
cookie in the park, probablynever made a dime off the
organization, but because of theRICO laws and things like that,
they're all going to jail.
He was the only person able toescape that situation.
Why, who knows, but everybodyelse went to jail except him.
So you can't comparefraternities and what's
wonderful organization.
(19:45):
It's what it started, as youknow.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I mean, it's what the history of it starts, as you
can't make that into somethingyou can't turn, you know you
can't necessarily say that,because then if we look let's
look at our Black Panthers, okay, um, and I say that because I
believe in my former life Iprobably would have been right
there along with all the BlackPanthers you know what I'm
saying.
But the thing is they startedoff something good, yeah, but
(20:16):
that know what?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I'm saying but the thing is, they started off
something good.
Yeah, but that's what I'msaying.
The blood organization is notsomething that started off good.
Now what they try to do is theytry to give it some sort of
sweet start with the Crips andall the other stuff like that
and they swing it back into it.
But we know the history of that.
So the Black Panthers and thehistory of the Black Panthers
was something that started as asocial movement to help Black
people.
So even if Huey, newton and themis all wrong, even if they do
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corruptible things, if somebodycomes along right now and
righteously want to take thename of the Black Panthers and
do something right, then you cando that.
But you can't take the historyof the blood and the Crips and
make it into something wonderful, man.
It doesn't happen.
Man, I don't care what you doin life.
When you have a corruptible,when you start something corrupt
, you can't now turn around andsay it's a nice thing.
(21:04):
You know what I mean.
It's just not the way it worksin life, man.
You know what I mean.
It doesn't come, you can't getwhat they say in the scripture
you can't get sweet.
And what is it?
Sweet and better water from thesame fountain.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You can't do it I'm not saying I wouldn't.
I wouldn't necessarily say thatyou can't change, because you
definitely can change, and Idon't think that that again, I
don't think that's the point hewas trying to make.
I think he was just trying tosay, like, at the end of the day
, okay, I'm in this right here,but that doesn't mean I'm doing
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everything that we've beenlabeled to do.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
But you can't make that sweet and fair seeming,
because here's the problem withthat.
Like how you're saying it, achild is listening to that, like
that.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
No, that's what he's saying.
I'm just telling you what hesaid.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
No, I understand All right.
So bottom line is how you'retrying to make that argument or
say what he's saying, or presentwhat he's saying to me.
I understand it, but theproblem is a child looks at that
and says there's a child on125th Street right now.
That's looking at that clip,you say, yeah, jimmy right, yeah
(22:12):
, jimmy right.
But the problem is is when hejoins up with 30 other dudes, he
may never do nothing.
He might go to work everythingand, like you said, he might be
a square, never do nothing, butwhen he puts that tattoo on his
arm he becomes a blood.
Whatever he wants to be a partof same tattoo as him.
(22:32):
Get arrested and indicted.
The whole gang is gettingindicted.
You know what I mean.
So you to sell that to them kidsis is ridiculous, man.
It don't make no sense.
Man, he's, he's, he's a grownman and he's trying.
He's trying to sell somethingthat it doesn't make any sense.
Man, he's going to, he's goingto, he's this, this.
There's children that's goingto lose a future.
(22:53):
Is his kid running aroundyelling blood?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, I mean, and the thing with that is is that,
like you said to your point, aperson can change A person, but
not people.
Like you know, a group ofpeople, everybody's got the same
mindset.
Now, in the sense of what he'ssaying is, if you listen to this
interview later on he spokeabout Leo Cohen and Leo I, I
(23:18):
guess, was on the breakfast clubat one point and he basically
I'm just based, you know,putting it on the basics.
He said that pretty much he'smaking money off of this, like
his family got to eat, peoplegot to eat or whatever the case
is, and when they asked jimjones about it, he basically
agreed with it.
So these guys are openly finewith selling death and murder to
your community because, at theend of the day, their family got
(23:40):
to eat.
Their family ain't living inHarlem with you.
You know what I mean.
Things of that nature.
So the thing that I look at withhim is like you could have took
this thing and did a little bitsomething better than just get
on here and promote this.
If anything, you're not tellinganybody how to get out of it.
Whack 100 and all of them dothe same stuff, you know.
I mean it's like you're usingit for them.
This is cannon fodder.
They get money off it becausethey can promote it.
(24:01):
There's no different thansnooping all of them and you got
serena crip walking on the dogon super bowl and stuff like
that at the end oh, you had aproblem with that.
Yeah, actually I do, I'm gonnabe honest and I'm glad you said
what was your problem with?
That my problem with that isthat, at the end of the day,
you're still promoting some typeof gang violence on national
television, because she cripwalked yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Here's the problem with that.
I'm going to tell you why I sayso.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I'm not cool with the fact that you crip walking on
national television.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Serena Williams is not going to go in LA.
She's not going in LA.
We know she's born and raisedthere.
Whatever the case may be, Ithink she's from Compton.
But here's the problem is thatSerena is going to go off into
her nice house.
She's not going to beresponsible for Crip walking.
You know what I mean?
There's a little kid that'ssomewhere in Compton, somewhere
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that wants to dance and do thesame thing she's doing.
That's a problem in Compton.
You can get your head knockedoff in Compton for quick walking
.
Quick walking in the wrongplace.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Maybe this is just me thinking differently.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I just think at this point in life, man, you know, if
you're 50 years old and youstill represent gang culture,
there's something wrong with you.
This is my personal opinion.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Well, that's because they're not in a gang and when
they join the gang, they're init for life.
So a 50 year old that joinedthe game because that's the only
culture that they know, theyhave to go through that for the
rest of their life.
If they true to what they join,you never joined the gang
culture.
So you, you know, like it'svery rare that you find these
stories of people who say hey,hey, I was once in a gang, but
(25:36):
now I'm out and this is what I'mdoing now with my life.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
We interviewed a gentleman that did do that.
Yeah, but it's very rare.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
The percentage of people that got out is much less
than the percentage of peoplethat bang out until they die.
You know what?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I disagree with that.
I'm going to tell you what Ibelieve.
I you know what I disagree withthat.
I'm going to tell you what Ibelieve.
I believe it's just like myneighborhood you know where I
grew up in Brooklyn differentfamily members and stuff like
that.
I believe that there's a largeportion of dudes that you know
grow old and move out ofdifferent areas or not subscribe
to that.
The problem that I have is isthat on these platforms is there
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a lot of old people and I'm notsaying it ain't a lot of old
people still doing it, butthere's old people on these
platforms promoting this.
You know what I mean and Ithink they're getting money off
of it, you know, and that's thereason why they're promoting it.
But the problem is like I grewup in Brooklyn.
We didn't have Bloods and Cripsgrowing up, but I know now that
there's old people in differentneighborhoods and family
(26:34):
members that I grow up that's 30and better that's claiming
blood and crip.
That was chumps or wasn't even.
You know real live dudes in theneighborhood when we was, when
we was coming up, but now thisis what they claim.
It's.
It's kind of like stupid, it'shustling backwards.
You know what I mean and I wastelling, um, I was telling, uh,
(26:55):
uh, my brother earlier.
I said yo listen, man, man, Iremember watching a documentary
on the Black Spades and therewas one member on the Black
Spades that started it and he'stelling the story of the Black
Spades.
They started as kids.
They were children startingthis.
So he was saying that they wasasked because, you know, the
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Black Spades claim that they hada big to do with the beginning
of hip hop and everything likethat.
So I think he said he got tolike 20 years old or something
like that, and he said that youknow, we didn't really promote
hip hop like that.
He said because.
He said because we didn't thinkit was going to be around long
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and most of us got to be 20years old and then we got jobs,
we stopped gangbanging becausethey got jobs.
That's the point.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You got to get old so what you say about that just?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
uh, I don't know, it's a lot right there.
He, you know, andre alwaysgives you a lot, and then that
what I wanted to touch on I doneforgot because I'm older, my
birthday is tomorrow.
But uh, you know, like I, I getwhat.
I get what he's saying.
I wanted to go back to the um.
I wanted to stay on topic.
We was talking about the youngboy and I did say about the
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bullying.
Like, we don't know the historybetween those two boys.
It's unfortunate that they canenforce a law saying that a 16
year old can be tried as anadult and go to jail.
The laws in this country havebeen around for so long and they
haven't been looked over.
We just keep following the samelaws and everything else has
(28:34):
evolved, except for the laws.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, you know once upon a time.
Just touch on your point.
You do know that that's how itwas right back in the day when
you talk about.
That's what I'm saying, nothinghas really changed like you, go
back to you know nothing hasreally changed.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's what I'm saying like.
This country has evolved indifferent ways and there are
certain laws that have stayed inplace.
Now, instead of them doingthese laws about when you're 16,
you should be tried as an adultfirst of all.
I personally believe every caseshould be tried differently.
Um, it shouldn't be justbecause it's similar to a
particular case.
(29:12):
We have different partiesinvolved and they should be
tried differently.
The motives are all different,whatever, even if the outcome is
the same.
So I think that each caseshould be tried differently, but
what I will say is nobody'slooking at the gun laws.
Nobody, nobody's looking at thegun laws, yeah they won't look
at that and that's a big thing,that's a major thing, like we're
not looking at the gun laws.
(29:32):
They won't, yeah, they won'tlook at that and that's a big
thing, that's a major thing,like we're not looking at the
gun laws.
You know what I'm saying andthe way that we live, the way
that we live.
Look at how we live and look atour country as a whole.
The East Coast right, theydon't have.
Well, not the East Coast.
I'll say Northern East Coastdoesn't have gun laws like
Southern East Coast and SouthernEast Coast doesn't have gun
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laws like Southern East Coastand Southern East Coast doesn't
have gun laws like Texas.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
But you know what an NRA member would say to you.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Let's go guns.
That's what they would say.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Well, they would say, let's go guns.
But also they would say thatguns that are killing people are
not guns that are purchasedpeople, are not guns that are
from elite, they're not gunsthat's purchased out of a store.
They're guns that are boughtillegally or they're trafficked
illegally so so I.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So how are those guns getting into our community?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I'll be honest with you.
My history of understandingthis normally through gun shows
and people buying things out ofstate illegally.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Getting into urban communities.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, you buy guns out of state illegally at gun
shows and you normally can gosomewhere and buy.
This is what I'm telling you.
Back in the day, people go togun shows and they will buy a
lot of guns you know what I meanand they will buy them under
the table and then they willcome back up top and sell them.
That's how it normally happensin gun shows, or if you buy it
at a gun shop or something likethat.
(30:56):
That's how it normally happens,I mean so.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I find it crazy that when I move I'm just going to
make this statement I find itcrazy that when I moved to
Delaware and I moved to Delaware, I believe, in 98, permanently
Right I find it crazy that bythe time 2006 hit, I moved there
(31:23):
in 98.
By the time 2006 hit and Ibought my house in the city of
Wilmington, I find it crazy thatit was easier for me to get
access to a firearm than it wasfor me to get a dime bag of weed
.
There's something wrong withthat.
It's really something wrongwith that.
(31:43):
It's something wrong with thatbecause and I feel like you know
, honestly speaking that'sbecause the government knows
that we can't really kill, youcan't kill us off.
So why have so much of it inour community?
But more of what is going tokill us off?
These liquor stores.
I could walk to the liquorstore from the house I bought
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and then what's crazy is you gotfive churches in my area,
around my block, that I couldwalk to five churches, but then
you got mad liquor stores and Ihave access to guns, but I
couldn't even get a dime bag aweek let me ask you a question,
and I know the gun laws areimportant and things of that
(32:24):
nature, but do you think ofchanging the gun law?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
was going to change the fact that this kid shot and
killed somebody?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
no, I feel like what is so sad is that bullying is
I'm not saying that he wasbullied, but I'm I'm saying if
he was, it's something that'snot really addressed is after
the kid dies.
Then we say, oh, that's so sad.
The kid is gone and you know,no, like the way we're bringing
(32:54):
people up.
Like why did that boy think tolook to a gun instead of beating
this dude up?
Like beating this dude up, noneof these kids out here are
beating anybody up Some.
Yo, when we got back to schoolafter summer, that was the first
thing we talked about.
Yo, you remember when so-and-sogot knocked out by
such-and-such?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
The difference is now is that again no morals and no
principles in that regard.
You're thinking in terms ofjust two people shooting a fair
one, but that's not happening.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
The problem is that they're desensitized to murder.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
The society?
It's not.
I remember one time or anotherto see somebody get shot.
You were like, oh, now it's onFacebook, you can watch somebody
get their head popped off.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Or watch it on Twitter and that X you can watch
full blown murder and they docommentary on it like it's a
joke.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
So I think that's the problem.
The problem is not necessarilyand don't get me wrong, I don't
think guns should be here either, but the problem is not I don't
believe guns, I believe theproblem is guns and a whole
other host of things that makeit a big issue.
You know what I mean as far aslike what they consume, as far
as television, what they consume, as far as, like you know gangs
, you know what they consume, asfar as you know just the music
(34:06):
entertainment, everything, man.
So I think all of that plays apart in you know what they
consume, as far as you know youknow just the music
entertainment, everything.
So I think all of that plays apart.
And you know these kids makingbad decisions.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And again, we're not just saying our people, because
this happens across the board.
It's just the fact that we as apeople are more publicized in
regards to the violence andeverything like that.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
But again, if you go on any of these platforms that
show all types of differentvideos and things like that,
it's not just black folks andyou know it's not folks, it's
not a lot of white people thatstart, they're getting busy and
things like that it's the samething like with welfare not to
cut you off, but remember howfor so long it was such a stigma
and such a thing where allthese black people are on
(34:50):
welfare and if you check,there's more people non-people
of color than people of color onwelfare yeah, and I mean, and
I'll be honest with you guys, Iknow we can go deeper into this
thing, but time you know yespermits that we have to kind of
stop right now.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But, um, I just want to leave you with this.
We are the only culture that'son adam 22s and the j1090s and
all of that, that's promotingour gang violence and things of
that nature.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, the gang violence wake up, people wake up
.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
However, you don't see any of our brown brothers on
there promoting nothing thatthey doing in terms of that.
Not that I see, and I will tellyou this like I was discussing
with my brother and it don'teven matter, man.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I mean, I think they, I think they do have a couple
of brown brothers in there, butstill it don't even matter, man,
brown brothers, black brothers.
I mean even if you got whitebrothers, nobody should be on
there promoting gang violence,and that's what I was about to
get at.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I was about to get at is because, like we had that
discussion before and if youwatch the, you know President
Trump's congressional address,President Trump's congressional
address, he already classifiedMS-13 as a terrorist
organization.
So a foreign terroristorganization.
However, there are a lot ofMS-13 members here in the United
(36:05):
States, so the discussion thatwe were having offline was
basically how long do you thinkit's going to take before that
train rolls over?
To the Bloods and Crips andwhatever organization, if you
want to call it an organization,because at the end of the day,
when that violence gets out ofcontrol and, as he said, he's
going to crack down on violencein every major city what do you
(36:28):
think is happening?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, and like we talked about this law here, the
raise the age law, how long doyou think that takes?
Like I was just telling mybrother, man, it's going to be
one murder away for them to sayacross the board, this is what
we're going to do.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
You know what I mean and I just want to say that 14,
you said boy in Newark right,new Jersey.
Let me tell you something aboutthat little 14-year-old boy.
God spared his life because,realistically speaking and
technically speaking, the waythings have been going, he
wasn't supposed to make it out.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Initially I thought they killed him.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So I hope, I hope that the prison system or
whatever he's not going toprison, but whatever system he
gets in, I hope it works for him.
I hope that the prison systemor whatever he's not going to
prison, but whatever system hegets in, I hope it works for him
.
I hope when he goes in there itdoesn't have the adverse effect
like it does for so many.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I thought very seriously he'd be in prison, but
he's going to do something.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
He's not going to do prison?
Yeah, they probably put him ina little juvie hall.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Well, he's going to be in juvie until he age out
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Right, right.
And my thing is God forbid hegot to fight off any bullies in
there.
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well, y'all do know also one of Trump's stipulations
now was that any cop that getkilled, that's an automatic
death penalty.
That's what he's trying topropose you understand what I'm
saying.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
So God forbid he get in any trouble.
And they say, well, guess what?
He caused problems the wholetime.
He was in here not realizingbecause Trump would never make
it in a juvie hall, nor would hemake it in a prison.
And at the end of the day, ifthat little boy could get out
and he got a fight for survivalin there because I'm not saying
what he did is right, but if hegot a fight for survival and he
(38:07):
act up quote, unquote, act upand they feel as though he acted
up, he's going to prison and ifhe goes to prison, there go the
death penalty right there forhim.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
So that's another little boy that we lost, so we
lose him one way or another.
It ain't going to be an easyride.
It ain't going to be an easyride.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I wouldn't be surprised if he don't go to jail
.
I don't think he's going toprobably end up going to jail
because the liberal laws betweenNew Jersey and New York
probably won't put him in jailforever.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
But going to put him in jail forever.
But then again thisadministration is different.
They're not going to try him asan adult.
They said that's not going tohappen.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
But he's going to be put in a situation where he's
going to have to fight and he'sgoing to do something to defend
himself and then he's going tohave to go to prison because he
had to do that.
And then he's going to be triedas an adult and they're going
to say you had repeated offenses.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
We don't know that.
We don't know if he hadrepeated offenses.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I'm trying to tell you he's screwed.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
either way I wouldn't disagree with you on that.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Thank you for finally not disagreeing with me, andre.
It's been great being back youguys.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, we came to a common goal with you two.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
I'm very happy about that.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah, finally came to common ground Today.
What do you call it?
What did I call you before?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Oh, here we go.
Don't talk about it, let's justend the show you know what I'm
saying Just end the show End iton a high note.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, end it on a high note, end it on a high note
.
She's a safe haven for blackpeople.
Man, I am too man, but she's asafe haven where it's like you
know, you meet them people thatno matter what somebody do wrong
, you've been trying to find thebright side to it, or whatever,
like that man.
So I think that's one of herthings man Well you know what
God bless me with that quality.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I'm going to own that .
I'm going to receive that.
I ain't trying to find theright side to everybody.
I'll give you love when youdeserve love, but I ain't
finding the right side to it,and that's why you balance,
that's why we balance each otherout, because I respect that as
well bye, everybody, until thenext ride.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I want to tell you happy birthday thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Thank you, this was a great birthday show many, many,
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Good to be back in the buildingteam, alright.
We encourage you, please, asalways, to speak the truth
quietly and clearly and listento others, even the dull and the
(40:59):
ignorant, because they too havetheir story to tell.
So until next time, please keepin mind that if you never had
to run from the Clue Plus clan,then you shouldn't have to run
from a black man.
Save the children y'all.
Peace, peace, peace man.
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