September 27, 2025 • 52 mins
Assata Shakur, who passed at 78 in Havana after decades in exile, remains one of the most polarizing figures in history—a terrorist to some, a freedom fighter to others. We explore her legacy of resilience through imprisonment, exile, and sacrifice, and how her story forces us to question who controls history.
Meanwhile, Ghana’s president delivers a bold call at the UN, declaring the transatlantic slave trade “the greatest crime against humanity” and reigniting conversations on reparations, restitution, and accountability. Will acknowledgment alone ever be enough?
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SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
The important thing is to be able to remember them,
not to be disassociated fromthem, not to be common from
them.
SPEAKER_06 (01:04):
Alright, y'all.
Uh, today we're gonna discusstwo intersecting um you know
stories that we have here.
First, Gunnar's bold push at theUnited Nations to have the
transatlantic slave tradeformally recognized as one of
the greatest crimes againsthumanity, and the passing of
Asada Shakur, the revolutionaryexile and symbol of resistance.
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Brothers, how y'all doing?
SPEAKER_04 (01:26):
Wonderful.
SPEAKER_06 (01:27):
All right, man.
Everything's amazing.
Everything's amazing.
All right, so of course, we gotthose two topics on the table.
First, I played that clip fory'all from Asada Shakur, um, who
passed away on uh September 25thin Havana, Cuba at the age of
78.
And so um they the Cuban uhforeign ministry cited the cause
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of her passing as uh health andage at 78, you know.
What is y'all, you know, yourfellas' uh thoughts on the side
of Shakur?
You know, I've read a book.
Actually, one of her book is oneof my favorite books, to be
honest with you.
And you know, we know herassociation with the the Black
Panther Party and later theBlack Liberation Army, uh
originally her name was she wasborn as Joanne Deborah Bryan in
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1947 and was later known asJoanne Chesamard and slash
Ashana Secure.
Um in 1973, just a littlehistory, y'all.
She was involved in a new ashootout with a New Jersey state
trooper and was convicted offirst-degree murder and other
charges.
In 1979, she escaped prison andin 84 was granted political
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asylum in Cuba.
And in 2013, she was the firstwoman placed on the FBI's most
wanted terrorist list.
And to some she was just acriminal figure, to others, a
martyr and a symbol of stateinjustice.
So, what is you know, what doyou brothers think about um
Asada Shakur?
SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
I think Asada was cool, man.
She's a good person, man.
I mean, as as far as I, youknow, knowing history, um, every
time I saw her, I looked, Iliked her, you know, forget
about you know all the politicalstuff.
I mean, I liked her demeanor,you know, I mean, it never
really like got goofy.
Like, you know, a lot of timeswhen you see some of these um
what you call it, like ex-civilrights activists and uh
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political people of that time,when you start speaking, when
you hear her start hearing herspeak, they get weird, like they
get like Nicki Giovanni-ish, youknow what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
Where it's like I love Nikki Giovanni.
I don't, you know, but go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (03:27):
Yeah, but you know, you know what I mean?
Like, you know, like I I alwaysthought like when you listen to
a side of Chicago, it's likelistening to your aunt.
You know what I mean?
Like, not not really like yougetting like you know, like a
textbook or encyclopedia smackdown your throat or something
like that, you know what I mean?
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If you got the information, itwas so simple that you know you
could you could take it, youknow what I mean?
Sometimes I think when I'mlistening to like, you know,
like the uh Nicki Giovanni's theuh My Angelou, certain people
like that, like I'm like it getsa little weird for me, you know
what I mean?
It's my personal opinion.
My personal opinion.
SPEAKER_03 (04:08):
For me, I think uh Asada is the symbol of overc
overcoming the overcoming theobstacles that America presents
in front of you.
You gotta remember uh what themedia is gonna claim is that
they were they they killed somepolice officers.
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They don't tell you that thosepolice officers came to kill
them.
SPEAKER_07 (04:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (04:32):
She took she took two bullets, yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's a it's a it's a I havean overwhelming over a
overwhelming like uh hurt forthat woman because it's like,
yo, like, you really, youreally, you really stood up for
the fight.
You really was in it.
You know what I'm saying?
Nothing but respect for her,nothing but respect for all the
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BLM, as well as a lot of theBlack Panthers.
Um we we I would love to seethat type of dedication in
today's society for the rightsand for the um and injustices
that we actually suffer as blackpeople and brown people.
SPEAKER_06 (05:09):
Yeah, I'm gonna circle back to that.
I also say, too, um, is thatwhen you read a when you read a
story or look at her interviewsor biographies or however you're
gonna gather information on her,there was a lot of stuff that
happened in between thatshooting and her escaping, and
then ultimately the end thathappened right now.
So when you look back at herbeing placed in an all-male
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prison, you know, um beingserved up by the by police
officers in that prison, youknow, being served up while she
was shot up in a hospital.
They were still treating herbad, you know what I mean?
Still beating on her and things.
It was a German nurse thatactually helped her out, um,
that got her up out of there,you know.
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If not, she would have died inthat male prison.
Actually, having your child, youknow, being pregnant while being
in prison, and then theseparation of her and her
daughter for several years.
You know what I mean?
So it was like a lot of thingsthat that you know went along
with that struggle, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (06:09):
Even with everything you just said, man, and then it
brings it even back to what Iwas saying earlier, man, her
demeanor, man.
Like after all that you justsaid, man, her demeanor was
always like, you know, everytime I seen the interview with
Asada Shakur and anything likethat, she was very calm, like
the presence about it, you know,like most people that go through
that kind of thing, man, youknow, they have like um
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aggression, you know what Imean?
Like they'll, you know,constantly, you know, if they're
talking about America, she willbe talking, you know, you know,
really negative and stuff likethat.
But every time you seen it, likeshe was just such a lady, man.
That's the word well, that's thebest word to say it.
You know, she was a classy lady,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (06:47):
Yeah, most definitely.
She also, in that in that book,kind of cracked open the thing
on the Black Panther party,where it was like a lot of I put
it to you like just like thehigher ups.
Yeah, the hustle of it, yeah.
The higher ups of it were livingpretty good, like the Huey
Newtons and all, they livepretty good.
But the people that was on thethe baseline of that struggle
was like, you know, we strugglein these apartments and things
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like that.
But they, you know, like Huey, Ithink, had like several
apartments in different citiesand things like that, like plush
spots and kind of made herquestion some things, you know
what I mean, in terms of likethe like the authenticity of the
high ups in this thing, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (07:26):
And nobody got nobody got in the pocket of that
situation, like Angela Davis,man.
Angela Davis used to get in Hueyabout that stuff, man.
Yeah, I mean, so I didn't heartoo much of a status record
going on them, but I know AngelaDavis used to uh you know check
them uh about you know thehigher living and you know I
think they were taking advantageof the system, you know, taking
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advantage of the you know thestruggle.
SPEAKER_03 (07:49):
Yeah, I ain't I ain't I ain't gonna lie.
Anytime a uh a light skin niggais the the head of a black
movement, it's always gonna beyour jump right off the fence,
right?
SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jump right off the fence.
SPEAKER_03 (08:10):
That's crazy, man.
SPEAKER_05 (08:15):
Hey, man, you're speaking your truth, man.
Nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER_06 (08:21):
So let me ask y'all a question.
Like, the how how you who youthink should control this story?
Uh you know, like her story.
You know what I mean?
Should it be far more on Cuba orthe United States?
SPEAKER_04 (08:34):
What do you mean?
Like a movie?
What do you mean?
SPEAKER_06 (08:36):
No, I mean like who's like memorializing, if you
can use such a term.
SPEAKER_04 (08:40):
I would love to bring her back to America and
put her ashes right in the backof uh Chris Christie's backyard.
SPEAKER_06 (08:48):
Oh, yeah, because he was fighting to get her back.
Yeah, that was that's what oneof the things he was running on
at one point.
SPEAKER_04 (08:53):
If you want a back take it like this, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:57):
You know what, man?
I I don't I don't I don't thinkjust in honoring the ancestor, I
don't think that her her herremains should ever touch
American soil again.
SPEAKER_04 (09:08):
But that's what I'm saying.
I think that would be the, youknow, not that she's dead to me.
I mean she gone.
But I'm saying just for the thedisrespect of it, like now you
can have her.
You know what I mean?
That would be that's how I wouldlike it, you know what I mean?
And bring her back and give hera nice big plot somewhere, put
the put the bells and whistlesall around, you know what I
mean?
Just so it would just take offpeople here, you know, because
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it's a lot of people that stillwanted her, you know,
incarcerated up until her lastdays.
Chris Christie pretty much ranon, you know, that was a part of
like his his political run.
You know, he wanted to put herin jail and stuff.
Because I think at one timeanother Obama was trying to make
some sort of deal with Cuba.
Well, Obama had another dealgoing on working with Cuba, I
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think as far as trading isconcerned.
But then he wanted ChrisChristie wanted that to be a
part of that deal.
SPEAKER_06 (10:01):
Yeah, she would have to come back.
SPEAKER_04 (10:03):
That goofy marshmallow eating, funky fat,
disgusting.
Chris Christie.
unknown (10:11):
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (10:12):
All the stuff going on in New Jersey, New Jersey,
man.
He worried about uh expeditingthe side of Shakur back to New
Jersey.
SPEAKER_06 (10:19):
He was very adamant about that, too.
SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
Yeah, ain't that when he got mad and uh and
closed the tunnel or whateverand made the tunnel well over?
Yeah, turn pipe closing goofy.
SPEAKER_06 (10:32):
So I mean, it kind of makes the next question a
moot point.
SPEAKER_03 (10:36):
You you know what would be real irony if they send
their ashes back and put it nextto Charlie.
SPEAKER_06 (10:44):
All right, now hold on for a second.
Now hold on, hold on, becauseagain, we I didn't want to make
this the car the Charlie Kirkour nightmare.
You know what I mean?
But and and Jay, from the lookon your face, you know where I'm
about to go with this, right?
SPEAKER_04 (11:00):
Good.
SPEAKER_06 (11:02):
How can he get it?
And she can't.
SPEAKER_04 (11:05):
Yeah, she's free speech all day.
SPEAKER_06 (11:07):
All day.
The symbol of you know what Imean?
SPEAKER_05 (11:10):
And she and she went through the struggle.
Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER_03 (11:15):
That's why the hypocrisy of these uh let's just
say the government, it's justit's just wild to me because
they destroyed all of ourpeaceful organizations who were
speaking truth and speakingpower to us, claiming it,
claiming uh, claiming it washate.
Jayakka Hoover said there wouldnever be another black messiah.
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Every one of those black leadleaders were were enemies of the
state because they were speakingtruth.
Yeah, but you have theseCaucasians come out and they can
speak all this hate rhetoric,and it's cool.
Freedom of speech.
I hate niggas, I hate Jews, I Ihate, I hate uh gays, I hate,
you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_06 (11:57):
Yeah.
And and what happens is thatknowing that, like, she can't, I
don't think they would likeexonerate her posthumously, you
know what I mean?
And then have her come back.
I again I think all that's gonnatake place in Cuba.
Um, of course, you're gonna havethe activists and everyone
that's here do what they do forit, just like they do for any of
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our um, you know.
SPEAKER_04 (12:20):
I mean, the celebration shouldn't be about
her.
I mean, I well, I guess you cansay, you know, again, I believe
that is there, you know, it'sover for her.
That's it.
SPEAKER_06 (12:29):
But if you want to say remember, remember what she
did.
SPEAKER_04 (12:32):
Yeah, if you want to remember what she did, man.
Her family, man, should have theright to carry her body through
the streets of Jersey, man.
You know what I mean?
And you know how that would takeoff the people who've been
trying to get her locked up foryears?
That would be beautiful, man.
SPEAKER_03 (12:46):
I think the New Jersey troopers, state troopers,
yeah, should be, should be, youknow.
It would be a massacre on a on aon a turnpike if they try to
bring her asses back to NewJersey.
SPEAKER_04 (12:57):
No, I don't think they I don't think they can't do
that.
Some state troopers will gocrazy.
SPEAKER_05 (13:02):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (13:03):
Yeah, it is what it is, man.
Bring her back in here and putit, you know, if you if you just
do a barbecue.
SPEAKER_06 (13:10):
But that's what it is.
So I mean, you see the wholething, you see the whole thing
with the with you know, October14th.
I want to keep mentioning thisguy's name, but October 14th,
his day of remembrance.
It's up to us.
It's up to us at this point.
SPEAKER_04 (13:25):
Like, I have a Asada day.
SPEAKER_06 (13:28):
Listen, as Chuck D once said, most of our heroes
don't appear on no stamps,y'all.
So you're gonna have to do it'sup to the black community, I
guess, to just say, look, man,we're gonna give these people
their day of remembrance orwhatever day you want to
designate it.
You know what I mean?
So, like the Malcolms, theAsada's, whoever, you know, I
think that that's where it hasto go at this point because
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you're not gonna get a nationalholiday.
You know, how long if you're notgonna be able to do it, yeah.
Yeah, nothing in the nationalholiday.
Yeah, the King holiday waspretty much, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_04 (13:57):
Hey, look at what they had to do to get King's
holiday.
SPEAKER_06 (13:58):
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (14:00):
King died in 1968.
I remember when Charles Barkleygot picked up in Phoenix.
I think that was one of histhings where he was like, uh
something about he wasn'tleaving Phoenix until they
changed Martin Luther King Dayto a national holiday or
something like that.
You know, I'll I'll I'll saythis.
SPEAKER_03 (14:14):
I remember the reason why they did it.
It's so they can get the SuperBowl.
Because the NFI would not allowthem to have the Super Bowl
until they honored Martin LutherKing Day as a federal holiday.
SPEAKER_04 (14:26):
Yeah, and they passing all kinds of bills
immediately to get thisgoofball, some sort of uh statue
and that you national day ofremembrance, all kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_03 (14:36):
It's disrespectful.
It is a person that actuallystood for something should
should receive that type ofnotoriety.
She should be she should bepraised in that manner because
she actually stood forsomething.
SPEAKER_06 (14:49):
Gave her life to the cause, if that's what you know.
I could say such a thing, youknow what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (14:53):
And this is this is why they need um, again, you
know, I I don't count on theeducation system in America to
educate us completely right onAfrican American history.
However, I still think theystill need some African, I still
think they need African Americanhistory in school.
And I think this is the reasonwhy, you know, some people, you
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know, this is the reason whywomen like that should be, you
know, studied and stuff likethat.
So, you know, a little girl,maybe in Jersey or something
like that, who's, you know, getto hear Side of Shakur's story,
get to hear so journey truth,um, some of these great women of
the past, man, and it and itinspired it'll inspire them, you
know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (15:30):
Oh yeah, yeah.
And I think but but you used yousay that, but right now, as we
speak, they are taking AfricanAmerican history out of the
books.
But that's why I'm saying itnever happened.
That's why I'm saying it.
That's why I'm saying thatthat's important that it's true.
I think when it when it comesdown to the movies, they're
changing the characters that mayhave done these things into
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white people.
And he and and they tell a storylike these people were right.
SPEAKER_06 (15:59):
Or, you know, if you go like how they did with the uh
Harriet Tubman movie where theyput aspects in it that wasn't a
part of history.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, I think they hadlike the the bounty hunter or
something like that, was likethe antagonist and all, you
know, stuff like that thatdidn't but they they do that.
It's historical fiction at thispoint.
You know what I mean?
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But um that's why I said it goesback to it goes back to what do
you do as a community, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, in order to keep thiseducation going because the
systems that set up, you as yousaid at your point, Dre, it's
not designed for them to do thatfor us.
You know what I mean?
It's not gonna, it's not gonnahappen.
In fact, they try to take it outmore than anything, you know
what I mean?
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It's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_04 (16:42):
Yeah, I mean, but again, even in us telling our
history, man.
I mean, like, we've been makingall these movies over the years,
a lot of these uh hood flicksand all kinds of the stuff.
There's a lot of great women, alot of great people.
You remember at one time oranother, it seemed like we was
having back to back the exes andyou know, those kind of movies
and documentaries about thingsin the past, you know, the
Panthers and stuff like that.
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It seemed like now we don'treally get too many of those
movies.
SPEAKER_06 (17:05):
Because they don't sell.
SPEAKER_04 (17:07):
Yeah, and if we get, I well, I just think they're not
the ones that I've seen as oflate weren't good movies.
You know what I mean?
The Fred Hampton one was realgood.
SPEAKER_06 (17:15):
Yeah, Fred Hampton, I dug that.
You know what I mean?
I dug that.
And also, like, if you want tojust use that as a rabbit hole,
because you know they're allthis stuff.
I don't care what movie theymake, it's never really
historically accurate.
You know what I mean?
They got a website that's calledum what's it uh I think it's
like fiction versus fantasy orsomething like that, where it's
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like they take the historicalmovie and then they compare the
characters to who actually livedduring that time and what they
did and how they looked andthings like that, and they'll
tell you, well, this wascorrect, that wasn't correct, or
this character never existed,you know, during that time.
They just put them in there forthe movie.
So it's an interesting websiteif you if you go check it out.
SPEAKER_04 (17:58):
But can you can you figure can you um again we when
we get these movies that we'vehad in the past, man, it seems
like they constantly keep doingthe same movies over and over
again.
You know, you got like severaldifferent movies of Martin
Luther King, you got the severaldifferent movies of um Harriet
Tubman, man, you got people likeFannie Lou Hamer, you know, you
got a lot of different peoplewhere you if you put their story
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together, you know, the wholestory about Fannie Lou Hamer
when she's in the the prison andthe police is beating her and
all this other stuff like thatfor her right to vote, and then
she how she goes down to theDemocratic National Convention
and tell her story.
You ever if you ever hear herstory, her speech about what she
went through in order to, youknow, earn the you know the
right to vote and all otherstuff like that, man?
Come on, man.
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These are good stories, man.
I mean, that's stories,realities.
Realities are in somebody'slife.
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
In the words of Dr.
Umar.
We are the only listen.
Go ahead.
I'm gonna listen to you.
I'm gonna listen to you.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Right, that's I agree with thatone.
Like, that is insane, but we'resupposed to have so much
compassion for everybody else.
SPEAKER_06 (19:06):
That's insanity.
I hear you, I hear you, and Isee that Umar blood running
through you right now, brother.
But I am gonna give him hisprops for making that particular
statement.
SPEAKER_05 (19:19):
I live for the people.
SPEAKER_06 (19:23):
But I gotta also say the same Dr.
Umar just charged$500 forJiggolo now.
SPEAKER_05 (19:41):
But hey, listen, man, you know what's in the let
me let me let me ask you aquestion.
SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
It's the jiggolo.
SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
Well, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait.
If he didn't put a number on it,he was just looking for an
offering or donation, would thatbe fun?
SPEAKER_04 (19:59):
I just think it's weird altogether.
I think it's weird altogetherthat he's he's an activist
taking dates for$500, man.
SPEAKER_06 (20:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna put a T like this though.
SPEAKER_05 (20:12):
I'm gonna challenge the floor of him to hang out
with the doctor.
SPEAKER_03 (20:16):
I'm not I'm I'm I'm not the I'm not the uh don't
make me take my shirt off.
SPEAKER_05 (20:29):
You get to hang out with the Prince of Civil Rights.
SPEAKER_03 (20:38):
I'm serious.
If he didn't put a number on itand and he was just accepting
offerings of donations, wouldthat be cool?
SPEAKER_06 (20:44):
Well, that's all for a donation.
SPEAKER_04 (20:47):
Well, we are talking about Umar.
We're talking about a schoolthat ain't been up.
And I was riding with him in thebeginning.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Remember, I was riding with him.
Did you see have you seen theschool?
SPEAKER_06 (20:57):
I listen, the school exists.
The building exists.
Yes, I knew the building, thebuilding exists.
Yeah, I yeah, I've seen it.
Yeah, the building exists.
SPEAKER_04 (21:05):
Well, he doesn't have it anymore.
From what I understand, Ithought that's a part of his
lawsuit or something like that.
SPEAKER_03 (21:11):
Yeah, I heard he was trying to settle it, but uh, you
know, I don't I don't reallyknow how how that all works, but
I know if he if he wasn't tryingto if he was trying to teach uh
uh a European um educationalsystem, it wouldn't have been no
issues.
SPEAKER_04 (21:26):
No, I think his problem isn't, I think we talked
about this many times before.
His problem is, again, if he haddid what his initial plan was, I
think he would have a school.
I think once he let his realviews be known and he's coming
out with like a very racistview.
But you and even if you feelit's not racist, if you feel
it's not racist, or the peoplethat don't, he still got to get.
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The definition of racism saysit's not racist.
No, but I'm saying here's thepoint.
He's still trying to get whitefunding for that school.
He can't he can't keep it up offof black funding.
Or, or, you know, the problem ishe got two issues.
Even if he took money from blackpeople, a lot of those black
people that would give him moneyare scared that they'll the the
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white people that are they'remaking money with is not gonna
continue to back them if they'rebacking somebody like him.
So that's his problem.
So he can't get black moneybecause of that reason, and they
ain't gonna give him white moneybecause he's talking something
that they consider to be racist.
That's what I'm saying.
That's the problem.
SPEAKER_06 (22:26):
That's the only problem with Dr.
LeMar Johnson.
That's another thing.
That's not that wasn't gonna flyin Delaware.
This is the wrong place to dothat.
Yeah, I think he could havepulled this off any other place
outside of Delaware to behonest.
I don't think he could havepulled it off, no.
SPEAKER_03 (22:42):
But the overwhelming issue truly is the fact that
black people have to rely onwhite people in order to fund
their businesses.
That's a fact.
That's the real issue.
Yeah, that's that's the bottom.
That's in anything.
SPEAKER_06 (22:55):
So, what what is what's the what's the real
solution to that one though?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (23:00):
Separation.
SPEAKER_06 (23:02):
Listen, we already had this conversation.
SPEAKER_05 (23:04):
Can't put us all in one spot.
It's not gonna work.
SPEAKER_03 (23:07):
Well, no, you're talking about there there is a
group of now you're talkingabout school or you talking
about in general?
In general, there's a group ofblack people, might have been
about 50 of them or so.
They pulled all their resourcestogether and they bought about
5,000 acres.
And they're and they're livingin they're living in uh harmony.
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They're they're creating they'recreating the new Black Wall
Street.
Let's see how long it takesbefore that gets bombed.
I mean, you might be completelyright.
SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
I'm not going down.
I'm just saying the point thatI'm making is that he's trying
to uh start a school in a inAmerica, you know what I mean,
in Delaware.
Not not Philly, not Harlem.
SPEAKER_05 (23:49):
It was someplace.
SPEAKER_06 (23:50):
I honestly believe it was someplace.
SPEAKER_04 (23:58):
You know what I mean?
He would have a rough time inthose places too, because again,
like you just said, at the endof the day, perfect example.
I'm Jay-Z.
I want to give him some money,all right, to start the school
because I'm really behind him.
But then I got to give him thismoney, but on the back end, you
got these people at Rock Nation,like, yo, listen, what are you
giving him money for?
He's a racist.
You know what I mean?
So then that's the whole socialmedia break them down kind of
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thing.
That this is the reason why theydon't give that kind of, they
wouldn't give him that kind ofmoney.
SPEAKER_03 (24:25):
So how come how come nobody in our community says,
why does the KKK still exist?
What's wrong with you, whitepeople?
How come you're not fighting forit?
Are you racist?
SPEAKER_04 (24:33):
Well, again, I think that goes back to what I'm
saying.
No, nobody supports them, but onthe same token, it's like the
back end of that is that wedon't know exactly what, like,
we don't know who's gettingmoney from them.
You know what I mean?
If they're getting money fromthis, that's not like it just
comes up like that.
But again, I I I'll just say itat the at the end of the day,
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man.
I just think he had a bad idea.
He should have just combed hiswhatever he was thinking until
he got the school over.
SPEAKER_03 (24:59):
So so you're telling me that the KK can the KKK can
exist anonymous, but peoplecan't contribute to Dr.
Umar's school anonymously?
I didn't say they can existanonymously.
SPEAKER_06 (25:09):
A lot of people probably have.
SPEAKER_04 (25:11):
They probably do, but I'm saying, yeah, a lot of
people contributed to hisschool.
I'm saying that in in reg afterhe let what his mind or his idea
of the school to be known, thatfunding went out the window,
man.
People, people who anybody thatcould give them some major
brides stopped.
That's just the bottom line.
SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
Because because they're they're they're feel
they're fearful of their checksstopping.
I'm not I'm not saying niggasain't supposed to get paid, but
that sounds like the sellout,the sellout information and
doctrine that was being pumpedto us in the 80s about niggas
being sellouts.
SPEAKER_06 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
One thing you notice now is likeeven with uh the passional old
boy there, that kind of exposeda lot of the injured fingers of
our community because we do havea lot of people that sold out
that you see in publicly.
Really selling out.
SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
Remember, remember, remember Furious on Boys in the
Hood, how he was talking aboutgentrification and how on our we
we got liquor stores, gunstores.
That's all you see in ourcommunity.
Remember in the 80s where itwasn't cool to have a liquor
commercial?
You know what's funny?
SPEAKER_06 (26:27):
I remember that.
I remember even Nas.
I remember Nas saying one time,he said, No, I wouldn't promote
any liquor.
I remember him saying that onMTV.
SPEAKER_04 (26:36):
He opened up casinos and he promoting liquor.
SPEAKER_06 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
That's what it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (26:40):
Double, double thing on all of that.
All right, guys.
He gave me a little bit more.
SPEAKER_04 (26:46):
Republicans buy sneakers, too.
That's Michael Jordan, man.
SPEAKER_03 (26:53):
Wow.
Republicans buy sneakers, too.
And and and that's why off thecourt, LeBron will always be a
better man.
I somewhat agree to that, man.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (27:03):
All right, y'all.
So listen, we're gonna move on.
SPEAKER_04 (27:05):
Not on the court, off the court.
Yeah, definitely.
Oh, I know exactly what you'retalking about.
I'd never say on the court.
SPEAKER_06 (27:10):
Can't take that away from so we're gonna move on to
the next topic, y'all, which isum Ghana's motion to um deem the
slave trade a crime againsthumanity.
So the president of uh Ghana,President, I might be
pronouncing his name wrong,y'all.
Uh, President Ma Mahawa Mahama.
(27:31):
I could be pronouncing it wrong,but he addressed the uh U.S.
Assembly and he wanted to deemthe slave trade uh a crime
against humanity.
What I'm gonna do is I'm gonnago ahead and play a clip of him
addressing the UN and then I getyour brother's thoughts on it.
SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
Madam President, the slave trade must be recognized
as the greatest crime againsthumanity.
As the African champion onreparations, Ghana intends to
introduce a motion in thisAugust body to that effect.
More than twelve and a halfmillion Africans were forcibly
taken against their will andtransported to create wealth for
the powerful Western nations.
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We must demand reparations forthe enslavement of our people
and the colonization of our landthat resulted in the theft of
our natural resources, as wellas the looting of artifacts and
other items of cultural heritagethat have yet to be retained in
total.
SPEAKER_06 (28:25):
So, brothers, what do you want us also to outside
of reparations is areinstitution of cultural
artifacts as he spoke of,apologies and accountabilities.
And so, um what do you thinkabout that, John?
SPEAKER_03 (28:40):
Alright, for me, one.
Um it's 2025.
We we we we just trying torecognize the slave trade as
being a crime against humanity.
That's that's insanity in myeyes.
Two.
SPEAKER_04 (28:56):
Um let me let me just say that.
I'm just quickly saying, but Ithink you can go back to what
you're saying.
I think the reason why that wehave to do it actually, and not
to say that it ain't we alreadyknow what it is, but I think the
thing of it is is that Americawalks around here like they do
the own thing.
They sit in the UN, they sit inthe UN passing judgment on
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different countries and allkinds of other stuff like that,
and they still don't acknowledgethat.
So, you know, finish what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
Yeah, I was I was gonna say the the fact that
that's that's still a thing iscrazy.
Two, I personally don'tnecessarily believe everything
that was taught to us, the theway that it was taught to us.
I believe that us as blackpeople, as non ether beans, was
(29:47):
already here too.
Although the men being been someslaves that they transported
over, I can't see how allthousands and thousands of
people would still be alivethrough that trip.
In the let's say, you know,1400s or whatever it was.
To make that long of a journeyin in those uh boats, most of
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the people would die.
A lot of them did.
SPEAKER_04 (30:19):
A lot of them did.
A lot of people killed a lot ofpeople killed themselves.
Well, it doesn't I I stillbelieve I mean I mean the proof
of the transatlantic slave tradeis, you know, all through the
Caribbean, all through America.
So I mean, it's not like theyjust a lot of from what I
understand, I could becompletely wrong, but you know,
I thought I learned from schoolthat that it's not like they
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just came here.
I think a lot of times theystopped and docked at different
places and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
So black black people or brown people are the
indigenous people of this land.
So the they didn't we didn'tneed to be brought here.
We were already here.
Oh no, I mean that's obviously.
They tried to come over here.
They're the immigrants.
That's obvious.
SPEAKER_04 (31:01):
The Indians was here, and you know, they're of
color, so where did they comefrom?
Obviously.
I mean, at the end of the day,you know, me, I I believe in the
Bible.
We all come from Africa.
But uh, you know, the Indianswas here when they got here.
They're people of color.
That's simply it.
That's the answer to thequestion in regards to that.
SPEAKER_06 (31:18):
So let me ask you guys this if the UN does declare
it as a um as a crime againsthumanity, but no reparations are
given.
They're not given.
Does it does it still matter?
SPEAKER_03 (31:29):
I don't even think we'll ever get reparations
because black people are givingme a it it doesn't matter
because it's it's a it's abasically a uh a smack in the
face where all all these othergroups are awarded reparations.
Jews, Chinese, uh everybody.
They all get reparations.
(31:49):
Irish, Italians, everybody.
Yeah, everybody got.
They all get reparations, exceptfor us, the people that had to
fight to be human.
SPEAKER_04 (31:56):
But I I think their goal is not, I mean, even though
he's probably asking forreparations, I think his goal is
kind of like the same as MalcolmX goal when he was went there
for human rights.
It's like to say, like, y'allgotta stop coming here, like
y'all the moral compass of theworld.
You know what I mean?
Like y'all got a lot of dirt onyour hands, you know.
Y'all killed the Indians, y'all,y'all bought these um African
(32:19):
Africans here, you know, againsttheir will.
So I think that's the wholepoint of just exposing that.
And and I mean, we all, it's allsomething that we all know in
the background, but I think it'sjust that they want people to
say it and start to acknowledgeit.
Because that's what Malcolmwanted.
I mean, I I'm quite sure if yourose Malcolm up out of the
ground right now and you askedhim, did he ever think we was
gonna get reparations?
(32:40):
He'll tell you you're a nut ifyou think that.
You know what I mean?
I don't think you're gonna get Iwould like to get it.
I like my 40 acres in the mule,I can use it.
SPEAKER_06 (32:47):
But what if it what if it just comes in like the
cultural restoration and youknow the education funding, but
not actually giving the peoplethe money?
Does that still matter?
Y'all think it still matters?
SPEAKER_04 (33:02):
I want the money.
I want the money.
That's what I want.
I want my 40, my 40 acres and mymule.
I want the m I want the money,the land, whatever came with it.
SPEAKER_03 (33:13):
Yeah, I can I I can I can handle it.
SPEAKER_04 (33:15):
Forget the education.
Yeah, forget the education.
I don't care about I'm gonnatell you, I'm gonna tell you why
this forget the education.
Because I can real picture proofthat you can get the education,
they still don't get nothing outof that in America.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Give me the money and the land.
But also, though, I I I wouldlike to see all the artifacts
that we've read about that wehaven't seen.
I would love to see those.
The ones that they hide in thein the in the in in the bottom
of the Vatican, the ones thatthey hide in the bottom of the
Smithsonian, the ones that wasappropriated by renowned artists
(33:52):
that are there today.
Yeah, you're Michelangelo's andall that.
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_06 (34:00):
You think that will ever, ever be acknowledged?
I know Bill Cosby did that, youknow, back in the day, but you
think that will ever beacknowledged like historically,
this is what happened.
Because he had all the factslined up, but you never heard
anybody speak about it afterthat.
SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
The way that America is going now, they're even
better, they're burying that.
They already discredited Bill.
So the generation, thisgeneration now is never gonna
listen to nothing Bill says.
We know it.
Oh, Bill was that guy, man.
SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
Bill was that guy.
SPEAKER_03 (34:32):
Yeah, but this this generation, they like they even
even when I heard um, I think itwas Jay-Z say something about
Bill Cosby, I was like, yo,that's real disrespectful.
That's real disrespectful comingfrom you.
SPEAKER_04 (34:44):
Listen, man, I don't know what the man did as far as
you know what he did in in thecourt, if it was right or wrong,
but you can't still deny whathe's done in in life for black
people, man.
You know what I mean?
So many words, Bill Cosby madeum white black people palatable
for white people.
You know what I mean?
And I and I'm not saying thatthat means anything.
(35:05):
I'm just saying that, you know,from my perspective, but it
seems like he made it, whereas,you know, I believe in so many
ways he kind of opened the roadfor opportunity for an Obama and
stuff like that.
Where you made it like, youknow, he made like when you
looked at Claire Huxtable andthem and looked at, you know,
him as the father, it changedthe idea, ideology of how people
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look at black people, I believe.
SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
Because we because because they were well off, but
they was a doctor and a lawyer.
Right.
And they didn't they didn'thandle themselves like we rich,
you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it was they they wasfinancially secure.
But you never heard any time inin the hospitals be like, yo, we
rich.
SPEAKER_04 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, no.
SPEAKER_06 (35:47):
Yeah, in fact, they taught the kids, they taught the
kids to actually try to preservemoney or go to less expensive
route for different things, youknow what I mean?
Absolutely.
You know what I mean?
Man, the had a shirt, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:59):
And they did it all with being black people, you
know what I mean?
Like they didn't call come onthere, you know, talking now
like how they were, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (36:09):
It wasn't no coonin' and buffooning on on a on the
Cosby show.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:13):
So make like that that stark contrast to like how
even you know, during that timeof the 70s and whatnot, when you
had the good times and all thatstuff like that, even when they
made appearances on other shows,like the Evans family made
appearances on other shows, itwas always like a struggle talk.
You know what I mean?
Or James didn't have which youknow, and don't get me wrong,
(36:35):
man.
I'm not saying nothing againstJames Evans, man.
That was the guy, but it wasalways presented like, well, you
know, dad dropped out of youknow, elementary school or
something like that.
You know what I mean?
Like, and he just had to workall the time, and he can impart
some wisdom, but you know,Michael was always somewhat
smarter than Pop.
You know what I mean?
So it's like that type of thing.
And then when you kind of fastforward another 10, 15, 20 years
(36:56):
and you get the Cosby's, youknow what I mean?
And then after that, you get adifferent world, and then
everything after that, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (37:03):
Well, well, them shows, them shows did a lot.
SPEAKER_06 (37:06):
They did a lot, they did a lot in terms of uh black
culture.
Like you was giving me a factearlier when you're talking
about black culture, Ravy.
You're talking about like uh theinfluence that black people
have.
SPEAKER_04 (37:16):
Um yeah, they was I was saying something uh earlier,
they were saying like some pollthere pulled and was talking
about how um what cultures likethe top five cultures that kind
of like um influentialinfluential in the world, and
they like had I think China,Mexico, uh oh, it was uh Japan,
(37:37):
and the top one was um theAfrican Americans.
They were saying that we ourculture just runs the earth, you
know what I mean?
I was like, wow, you know what Imean?
That's kind of amazing.
Like we're probably the mosthated, but we're the most adored
in some ways.
SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
We're the most copied.
Check this out.
I'm uh and I hope y'all rememberthis because we all watch the
cosmic show.
Do you remember the episode whenTheo and Cockroach was rapping
Shakespeare?
So they could understand it,yeah.
Right, right.
That's Hamilton.
SPEAKER_06 (38:07):
I'm serious.
Well, I mean Hamilton was morehistorical, but I get what
you're saying.
The concept.
The concept.
Well, I never thought aboutthat.
SPEAKER_03 (38:14):
What they be doing now, that's Hamilton.
SPEAKER_06 (38:16):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
Bill Cosby showed that too and put that idea in
our brain.
SPEAKER_06 (38:20):
And I'm gonna go deeper.
I'm gonna go deeper with you onthat one.
The educational system adaptedthat too, because they said that
kids learn better in song.
So you did see like a lot ofteachers, uh Ron Clark, the uh
Ron Clark, the started Ron ClarkAcademy, started like that.
So it's like making these rapsongs or whatever the case is
for kids to learn certainsubjects.
(38:40):
You know what I mean?
Hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (38:42):
Yeah, because they're able they're able, it's
it's it basically translatedinto something that they
understand.
SPEAKER_06 (38:48):
Shoutoff to you, brother.
That's what it's about.
All right, so let's look atthis.
Now, I don't I want to see ifthis matches with what you have
there, right?
So this is the top five,according to chat, GPT.
It says the Western culture, theEuropean, American culture is
number one, Chinese culture isnumber two, Indian culture is
(39:11):
number three, Islamic or Arabicculture is number four, and
African cultures, West Africanand diasporic is number five
because of music, jazz, hip-hop,afrobeat, spirituality,
storytelling, dance, resilience,despite colonialism.
SPEAKER_04 (39:29):
You said it's number five overall.
SPEAKER_06 (39:31):
They were saying it was number five.
They were saying it was numberthree.
SPEAKER_04 (39:34):
Because there is no such thing as well.
SPEAKER_05 (39:39):
Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_04 (39:41):
I mean, all the everything that comes out of
here, you know, you know, unlessyou like, if you're looking at
European culture, like maybe isthat like is that like Rome?
SPEAKER_05 (39:49):
Let me get Italy, or you know, different spots like
that, or I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (39:53):
But I'm saying, I know in regards to here, like,
you know, everything that's inthe United States in some way,
shape, or form, soul food, jazz,um, rock and roll.
SPEAKER_03 (40:04):
Um they had break dancing in the Olympics, and it
wasn't no niggas.
SPEAKER_05 (40:10):
You know what I'm saying?
What was the what was the girlat that everybody's going crazy
over Sting Stingray or somethinglike that?
SPEAKER_04 (40:21):
Yeah, here's the funny part about that.
And when they went to differentcountries, there was no brothers
in it, man.
Different countries, man.
You know what I mean?
It's funny because we we wereprobably, you know, the United
States is so bugged out.
We can have a Chinese playing,you know, in any sport here in
the United States and call thema Chinese, you know, call them
an American or whatever likethat.
(40:41):
They ain't no brothers inAustralia or nothing like that.
SPEAKER_06 (40:45):
I've seen I think the the new wave out in Japan,
you know, like the the Asianbrothers are getting afrows now.
SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
It's crazy.
Hey, they have a way to kinktheir hair up.
SPEAKER_06 (40:58):
Yeah, they're getting afros now, man.
It's wild.
SPEAKER_03 (41:00):
They use them basically like a uh uh uh like
it's it's like a uh a lapstocktype of needle and thread type
of thing, and it kinks theirhair up.
Yeah, or they crochet in theirjoint.
Yeah, they crochet their thingslike that.
SPEAKER_06 (41:12):
You know, the the Asian sisters have the braids.
K-pop ain't nothing but uh, youknow, uh uh what was Belleville
DeVoe and all the back in theday.
SPEAKER_05 (41:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean?
That's all that is, man.
SPEAKER_04 (41:26):
That's wild, man.
Yeah, I mean I I mean, I'm not,you know, God knows I ain't
gotta, like I always say, man, Ihad a racist born in my body,
man, but I don't even know whatEuropean culture is.
SPEAKER_06 (41:38):
Well, let's say, okay, let's this is what it
says.
It says uh the roots of it,they're saying the shaping the
world.
I I read fresh.
SPEAKER_04 (41:46):
What did they say for European culture?
What is it?
SPEAKER_06 (41:47):
It says uh Western European American culture is the
roots of Greco-Romanenlightenment, renaissance, and
Christianity.
The influence is democracy,capitalism, science, technology,
Hollywood, social media, globalbrands.
SPEAKER_03 (42:01):
That's all us.
SPEAKER_06 (42:02):
Yeah.
Now, these are all the thingsthat we influence, right?
So, like, say, I see what you'resaying because we influence all
of these things that's on this,you know, Western American
culture list.
Now, for our list, they say ourroots.
SPEAKER_04 (42:15):
Just to say, just to say this, man.
Everything that's in that patentoffice, you know, uh, in regards
to, you know, we're talkingabout science, you know, um,
inventions, all that other stufflike that, is basically ideas
that are stolen from um, youknow, Americans and Latinos,
man.
SPEAKER_06 (42:29):
So let's do the let's do the compare and
contrast.
So I'm gonna go over the way.
SPEAKER_04 (42:32):
I'm not saying that they haven't contributed
anything, but I'm just saying alot of the contributed writing
laws after they steal stuff.
SPEAKER_06 (42:38):
All right, so let's go, let's go over it again,
y'all.
SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
They can write some laws so they can.
SPEAKER_06 (42:41):
So again, so Western Europe, they said the the Greco,
the Greco-Roman, Enlightenment,Renaissance, Christianity is the
roots.
The influence is democracy,capitalism, science, technology,
Hollywood, social media, globalbrands.
SPEAKER_04 (42:56):
They got Hollywood.
SPEAKER_06 (42:57):
Global brands, and English as global lingua franca.
Now, that's just the roots thatthey have here, the influence
and roots for Western.
Now, if you compare it to whatwe have here, our roots they say
is ancient kingdoms, Mali,Sangali, Um, Egypt, and
Ethiopia.
The influence is music, jazz,the music, musical influence.
(43:17):
Let me slow down.
It's jazz, blues, reggae,hip-hop, afro beats, oral
traditions, spirituality, art,and the diaspora, African
American and Afro-Caribbeaninfluence on global culture, is
fashion, activism, and politics.
However, if you compare the two,everything that we do influences
the first thing.
Yeah.
So it's like, yeah, so that's wepretty much do.
(43:39):
You know, we pretty much do.
SPEAKER_04 (43:40):
And I mean, and it all makes sense, especially
because if you look at Europeanculture, I mean, I mean, really,
when you talk about Europeanculture, you talk about white
people in America.
I'm assuming that's what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_05 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:50):
You know what I mean?
If you talk about that, thenthat's it go hand in hand
because we was on the boat whenthey got here.
We were here when they got here,you know what I mean?
So it's all go hand in hand.
So that's the way it is.
But um, yeah, man, that's that'skind of crazy, man.
SPEAKER_06 (44:03):
There's people in the jungle that know things.
And then they gave more thanit's like.
SPEAKER_04 (44:05):
They gave them Christianity.
They gave them Christianity.
I mean, we all know if if youdon't believe in nothing, at
least you know that all, youknow, um, the beginning of most
most religions start, you know,somewhere in uh Africa, you know
what I mean?
So I mean, and you know, I'm aChristian, so I believe in the
Bible.
Whoever else you don't believein, whatever you're gonna
believe in, but I believe in theBible.
I believe that it started inAfrica.
(44:26):
So I mean, I know we didn't, Iknow we know it didn't start in
America, and it definitelydidn't start in Europe.
You know what I mean?
So that's that they give themChristianity, man.
I can't believe that, man.
SPEAKER_06 (44:43):
Yeah, man.
But I mean, it's it's it's it'swild.
So the other stuff, you know,um, I just look at it.
SPEAKER_04 (44:50):
This kind of reminds me of uh Dave Schipellin when
they had the uh the racial draftand something like that.
SPEAKER_06 (44:58):
Yeah, man.
I was like, but everything thatdoesn't give them that
Greco-Roman wrestling.
SPEAKER_03 (45:02):
They got that.
SPEAKER_06 (45:03):
Yeah, they can have that one.
SPEAKER_03 (45:05):
Yeah, but but but if you if you think about it, that
that don't that don't look uhlook real masculine.
I never liked it, man.
Two men should be doing that.
SPEAKER_04 (45:14):
Yeah, I never liked it, man.
Yeah, I like you know, justregular fisticuffs.
Yeah, so that's so like yeah,hugging on you and all that.
SPEAKER_03 (45:22):
We're not gonna be rumbling on each other.
We're gonna rumble.
SPEAKER_05 (45:24):
So then how do y'all feel about MMA?
SPEAKER_04 (45:28):
That's different.
I like boxing, man.
SPEAKER_03 (45:31):
That's different.
SPEAKER_05 (45:31):
How soldier?
SPEAKER_03 (45:33):
It's different because because that's the ass
the wrestling is an aspect ofit.
It ain't the whole thing.
Yeah, like if you get in astreet fight nine times out of
ten, you're gonna go to theground.
And you gotta learn, you gottaknow what to do when you get
down there.
SPEAKER_06 (45:50):
But I would think that you want to wear some Olafs
or something like that whileyou're down there, perhaps some.
SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
Yeah, but but but Reco-Roman wrestling is I'm
gonna hold you down and pin you.
SPEAKER_05 (46:01):
Well, yeah, well, yeah, you yeah, you're right,
you're right, you're right.
SPEAKER_04 (46:04):
Listen, I I knew I couldn't do the sport when I saw
the uniform, man.
They could have if they put usin some overalls or something
like that, maybe.
Uniform is crazy, man.
SPEAKER_06 (46:16):
Uniform is a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (46:17):
Yeah, I never liked the uniform.
SPEAKER_06 (46:19):
At least, at least in wrestling, in wrestling,
wrestling, you can be acharacter, man.
You don't have to fight in yourjeans and wrestling.
Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04 (46:28):
You got some boy, you got somebody uh taco meat
all in your face, man.
SPEAKER_06 (46:34):
I'm not taking away nothing from them brothers and
sisters, because they arethey're actually athletes, man,
but it's the uniform.
SPEAKER_04 (46:38):
Yeah, they they they super athletes, super.
Definitely athletes, man.
I don't know if I never I neverhad a uh a guy who wrestles grab
you.
Them some strong people, man.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (46:49):
My nephew is a wrestler now, and he actually uh
made face his freshman year,which was last year.
Yeah, his first time, you knowwhat I'm saying, doing his
thing.
So, you know, hopefully he'd beable to get something out of it,
but that was never somethingthat I wanted to do.
Oh no.
Like I I I ain't gonna say itlike that, but I was at the at
the time when I was a youngster,I didn't really consider that a
(47:12):
real sport.
I I want to play real sports,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (47:17):
John J.
High School, they brought usdownstairs, and uh they told us
that they was gonna wrestleduring gym class.
I didn't even think about it,brother.
I grabbed that basketball, wentto work.
Grabbed that basketball, went towork, man.
SPEAKER_03 (47:36):
Unless you talk about flying up the top rope
like Jimmy Smith, you know whatI'm saying?
Super fly, I don't know nothingabout it.
SPEAKER_04 (47:43):
I thought pretty much, you know, all the ballers,
you know, we pretty we gonna beover here.
You know what I mean?
We we already know we physicallyfit.
We're gonna be over here.
Every now and then you want usto climb a rope and do some
push-ups or something like that,we'll do that for you.
And that would be it, man.
Pretty much that, man.
SPEAKER_06 (47:56):
All right, Joe.
We're gonna get ready to wrapthis one up, man.
So in closing, man, uh again, wejust wanna give a shout out to
all the effort and everythingthat's all that she called
putting because you talk aboutdefinitely not.
SPEAKER_03 (48:10):
Yeah, that's the problem with me.
SPEAKER_06 (48:12):
Also, um for for Ghana for calling you know the
UN the court on this whole youknow reparations thing.
SPEAKER_04 (48:26):
Yeah, shout out to shout out to them for, you know,
obviously, I bring it, I want tostop the ending here, but yeah,
man, you know, we need moreAfrican people all all around to
you know recognize each other.
SPEAKER_06 (48:37):
Well, it really like you, you know, it shouldn't just
be a Ghana thing.
You know what I mean?
It shouldn't be a Ghana thing,it shouldn't have been you know,
more more people actually speakup.
SPEAKER_04 (48:48):
I think we I think we hear in the you know,
American people, just American,African American people don't
gave up on that altogether.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's just the bottomline with that.
SPEAKER_06 (48:57):
Probably probably, but yeah, I think it more should
be put on a world stage likethat.
You know what I mean?
So we're gonna definitely keepour ear to the ground on that
one to see how it turned out,you know.
SPEAKER_03 (49:08):
Yeah, shout out to uh Ibrahim Torrey showing us the
way.
Ibrahim Tore.
SPEAKER_04 (49:14):
Ibrahim Tore, man.
Yeah, I gotta I gotta dig intohim uh a lot more, man.
But I I heard a lot of goodthings from him so far.
SPEAKER_06 (49:21):
Well, I know one thing, man.
They thought they was going overthere getting some old
unintelligent dictator orsomething like that, man.
This brother showed him showedhim what it's about, man.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (49:31):
So man, you better get his get his weight up with
that military, man.
SPEAKER_06 (49:34):
Trust me, he wouldn't be speaking like that
if he didn't.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (49:38):
But but he he he's the one that took the country
over with the military.
Listen, man, I hear you.
I I was a young person when uhMo Mark die.
I know I remember waking up onemorning, and you probably could
find a YouTube video.
And I thought, you know, as akid, you thinking, wow, we about
to go to war or something likethat.
And I just remember seeing MoMark Kadafi talking crazy.
(49:59):
He was slamming a uh machete ona podium or something like that,
talking crazy.
And uh this is during RonaldReagan time.
Uh one or two days later, dadblew up his whole family and
everything.
You know what I mean?
They just missed him.
They just missed him, man.
This United States is crazy,man.
(50:19):
You know what I mean?
So tell him to tighten up, makehis closest friends closest,
man, get them military aroundhim as deep as you can.
Pray.
Pray, because you're gonna needsome prayers, boy.
You most certainly will.
SPEAKER_06 (50:32):
Yep.
So we're going for another one.
So look, guys, I um for theaudience, what do you think
about historical injustices likethe transatlantic slave trade?
What form of recognition ofreparations that you feel is
most meaningful to you?
Like symbolic financial,cultural.
You know, the brothers saying,like, look, man, give us the
48th thing, y'all can keep therest of it, we figure it out.
(50:53):
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SPEAKER_06 (01:04):
Alright, y'all.
Uh, today we're gonna discusstwo intersecting um you know
stories that we have here.
First, Gunnar's bold push at theUnited Nations to have the
transatlantic slave tradeformally recognized as one of
the greatest crimes againsthumanity, and the passing of
Asada Shakur, the revolutionaryexile and symbol of resistance.
(01:24):
Brothers, how y'all doing?
SPEAKER_04 (01:26):
Wonderful.
SPEAKER_06 (01:27):
All right, man.
Everything's amazing.
Everything's amazing.
All right, so of course, we gotthose two topics on the table.
First, I played that clip fory'all from Asada Shakur, um, who
passed away on uh September 25thin Havana, Cuba at the age of
78.
And so um they the Cuban uhforeign ministry cited the cause
(01:49):
of her passing as uh health andage at 78, you know.
What is y'all, you know, yourfellas' uh thoughts on the side
of Shakur?
You know, I've read a book.
Actually, one of her book is oneof my favorite books, to be
honest with you.
And you know, we know herassociation with the the Black
Panther Party and later theBlack Liberation Army, uh
originally her name was she wasborn as Joanne Deborah Bryan in
(02:13):
1947 and was later known asJoanne Chesamard and slash
Ashana Secure.
Um in 1973, just a littlehistory, y'all.
She was involved in a new ashootout with a New Jersey state
trooper and was convicted offirst-degree murder and other
charges.
In 1979, she escaped prison andin 84 was granted political
(02:35):
asylum in Cuba.
And in 2013, she was the firstwoman placed on the FBI's most
wanted terrorist list.
And to some she was just acriminal figure, to others, a
martyr and a symbol of stateinjustice.
So, what is you know, what doyou brothers think about um
Asada Shakur?
SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
I think Asada was cool, man.
She's a good person, man.
I mean, as as far as I, youknow, knowing history, um, every
time I saw her, I looked, Iliked her, you know, forget
about you know all the politicalstuff.
I mean, I liked her demeanor,you know, I mean, it never
really like got goofy.
Like, you know, a lot of timeswhen you see some of these um
what you call it, like ex-civilrights activists and uh
(03:16):
political people of that time,when you start speaking, when
you hear her start hearing herspeak, they get weird, like they
get like Nicki Giovanni-ish, youknow what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
Where it's like I love Nikki Giovanni.
I don't, you know, but go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (03:27):
Yeah, but you know, you know what I mean?
Like, you know, like I I alwaysthought like when you listen to
a side of Chicago, it's likelistening to your aunt.
You know what I mean?
Like, not not really like yougetting like you know, like a
textbook or encyclopedia smackdown your throat or something
like that, you know what I mean?
(03:48):
If you got the information, itwas so simple that you know you
could you could take it, youknow what I mean?
Sometimes I think when I'mlistening to like, you know,
like the uh Nicki Giovanni's theuh My Angelou, certain people
like that, like I'm like it getsa little weird for me, you know
what I mean?
It's my personal opinion.
My personal opinion.
SPEAKER_03 (04:08):
For me, I think uh Asada is the symbol of overc
overcoming the overcoming theobstacles that America presents
in front of you.
You gotta remember uh what themedia is gonna claim is that
they were they they killed somepolice officers.
(04:29):
They don't tell you that thosepolice officers came to kill
them.
SPEAKER_07 (04:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (04:32):
She took she took two bullets, yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's a it's a it's a I havean overwhelming over a
overwhelming like uh hurt forthat woman because it's like,
yo, like, you really, youreally, you really stood up for
the fight.
You really was in it.
You know what I'm saying?
Nothing but respect for her,nothing but respect for all the
(04:54):
BLM, as well as a lot of theBlack Panthers.
Um we we I would love to seethat type of dedication in
today's society for the rightsand for the um and injustices
that we actually suffer as blackpeople and brown people.
SPEAKER_06 (05:09):
Yeah, I'm gonna circle back to that.
I also say, too, um, is thatwhen you read a when you read a
story or look at her interviewsor biographies or however you're
gonna gather information on her,there was a lot of stuff that
happened in between thatshooting and her escaping, and
then ultimately the end thathappened right now.
So when you look back at herbeing placed in an all-male
(05:32):
prison, you know, um beingserved up by the by police
officers in that prison, youknow, being served up while she
was shot up in a hospital.
They were still treating herbad, you know what I mean?
Still beating on her and things.
It was a German nurse thatactually helped her out, um,
that got her up out of there,you know.
(05:52):
If not, she would have died inthat male prison.
Actually, having your child, youknow, being pregnant while being
in prison, and then theseparation of her and her
daughter for several years.
You know what I mean?
So it was like a lot of thingsthat that you know went along
with that struggle, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (06:09):
Even with everything you just said, man, and then it
brings it even back to what Iwas saying earlier, man, her
demeanor, man.
Like after all that you justsaid, man, her demeanor was
always like, you know, everytime I seen the interview with
Asada Shakur and anything likethat, she was very calm, like
the presence about it, you know,like most people that go through
that kind of thing, man, youknow, they have like um
(06:30):
aggression, you know what Imean?
Like they'll, you know,constantly, you know, if they're
talking about America, she willbe talking, you know, you know,
really negative and stuff likethat.
But every time you seen it, likeshe was just such a lady, man.
That's the word well, that's thebest word to say it.
You know, she was a classy lady,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (06:47):
Yeah, most definitely.
She also, in that in that book,kind of cracked open the thing
on the Black Panther party,where it was like a lot of I put
it to you like just like thehigher ups.
Yeah, the hustle of it, yeah.
The higher ups of it were livingpretty good, like the Huey
Newtons and all, they livepretty good.
But the people that was on thethe baseline of that struggle
was like, you know, we strugglein these apartments and things
(07:09):
like that.
But they, you know, like Huey, Ithink, had like several
apartments in different citiesand things like that, like plush
spots and kind of made herquestion some things, you know
what I mean, in terms of likethe like the authenticity of the
high ups in this thing, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (07:26):
And nobody got nobody got in the pocket of that
situation, like Angela Davis,man.
Angela Davis used to get in Hueyabout that stuff, man.
Yeah, I mean, so I didn't heartoo much of a status record
going on them, but I know AngelaDavis used to uh you know check
them uh about you know thehigher living and you know I
think they were taking advantageof the system, you know, taking
(07:47):
advantage of the you know thestruggle.
SPEAKER_03 (07:49):
Yeah, I ain't I ain't I ain't gonna lie.
Anytime a uh a light skin niggais the the head of a black
movement, it's always gonna beyour jump right off the fence,
right?
SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jump right off the fence.
SPEAKER_03 (08:10):
That's crazy, man.
SPEAKER_05 (08:15):
Hey, man, you're speaking your truth, man.
Nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER_06 (08:21):
So let me ask y'all a question.
Like, the how how you who youthink should control this story?
Uh you know, like her story.
You know what I mean?
Should it be far more on Cuba orthe United States?
SPEAKER_04 (08:34):
What do you mean?
Like a movie?
What do you mean?
SPEAKER_06 (08:36):
No, I mean like who's like memorializing, if you
can use such a term.
SPEAKER_04 (08:40):
I would love to bring her back to America and
put her ashes right in the backof uh Chris Christie's backyard.
SPEAKER_06 (08:48):
Oh, yeah, because he was fighting to get her back.
Yeah, that was that's what oneof the things he was running on
at one point.
SPEAKER_04 (08:53):
If you want a back take it like this, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:57):
You know what, man?
I I don't I don't I don't thinkjust in honoring the ancestor, I
don't think that her her herremains should ever touch
American soil again.
SPEAKER_04 (09:08):
But that's what I'm saying.
I think that would be the, youknow, not that she's dead to me.
I mean she gone.
But I'm saying just for the thedisrespect of it, like now you
can have her.
You know what I mean?
That would be that's how I wouldlike it, you know what I mean?
And bring her back and give hera nice big plot somewhere, put
the put the bells and whistlesall around, you know what I
mean?
Just so it would just take offpeople here, you know, because
(09:31):
it's a lot of people that stillwanted her, you know,
incarcerated up until her lastdays.
Chris Christie pretty much ranon, you know, that was a part of
like his his political run.
You know, he wanted to put herin jail and stuff.
Because I think at one timeanother Obama was trying to make
some sort of deal with Cuba.
Well, Obama had another dealgoing on working with Cuba, I
(09:53):
think as far as trading isconcerned.
But then he wanted ChrisChristie wanted that to be a
part of that deal.
SPEAKER_06 (10:01):
Yeah, she would have to come back.
SPEAKER_04 (10:03):
That goofy marshmallow eating, funky fat,
disgusting.
Chris Christie.
unknown (10:11):
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (10:12):
All the stuff going on in New Jersey, New Jersey,
man.
He worried about uh expeditingthe side of Shakur back to New
Jersey.
SPEAKER_06 (10:19):
He was very adamant about that, too.
SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
Yeah, ain't that when he got mad and uh and
closed the tunnel or whateverand made the tunnel well over?
Yeah, turn pipe closing goofy.
SPEAKER_06 (10:32):
So I mean, it kind of makes the next question a
moot point.
SPEAKER_03 (10:36):
You you know what would be real irony if they send
their ashes back and put it nextto Charlie.
SPEAKER_06 (10:44):
All right, now hold on for a second.
Now hold on, hold on, becauseagain, we I didn't want to make
this the car the Charlie Kirkour nightmare.
You know what I mean?
But and and Jay, from the lookon your face, you know where I'm
about to go with this, right?
SPEAKER_04 (11:00):
Good.
SPEAKER_06 (11:02):
How can he get it?
And she can't.
SPEAKER_04 (11:05):
Yeah, she's free speech all day.
SPEAKER_06 (11:07):
All day.
The symbol of you know what Imean?
SPEAKER_05 (11:10):
And she and she went through the struggle.
Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER_03 (11:15):
That's why the hypocrisy of these uh let's just
say the government, it's justit's just wild to me because
they destroyed all of ourpeaceful organizations who were
speaking truth and speakingpower to us, claiming it,
claiming uh, claiming it washate.
Jayakka Hoover said there wouldnever be another black messiah.
(11:38):
Every one of those black leadleaders were were enemies of the
state because they were speakingtruth.
Yeah, but you have theseCaucasians come out and they can
speak all this hate rhetoric,and it's cool.
Freedom of speech.
I hate niggas, I hate Jews, I Ihate, I hate uh gays, I hate,
you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_06 (11:57):
Yeah.
And and what happens is thatknowing that, like, she can't, I
don't think they would likeexonerate her posthumously, you
know what I mean?
And then have her come back.
I again I think all that's gonnatake place in Cuba.
Um, of course, you're gonna havethe activists and everyone
that's here do what they do forit, just like they do for any of
(12:18):
our um, you know.
SPEAKER_04 (12:20):
I mean, the celebration shouldn't be about
her.
I mean, I well, I guess you cansay, you know, again, I believe
that is there, you know, it'sover for her.
That's it.
SPEAKER_06 (12:29):
But if you want to say remember, remember what she
did.
SPEAKER_04 (12:32):
Yeah, if you want to remember what she did, man.
Her family, man, should have theright to carry her body through
the streets of Jersey, man.
You know what I mean?
And you know how that would takeoff the people who've been
trying to get her locked up foryears?
That would be beautiful, man.
SPEAKER_03 (12:46):
I think the New Jersey troopers, state troopers,
yeah, should be, should be, youknow.
It would be a massacre on a on aon a turnpike if they try to
bring her asses back to NewJersey.
SPEAKER_04 (12:57):
No, I don't think they I don't think they can't do
that.
Some state troopers will gocrazy.
SPEAKER_05 (13:02):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (13:03):
Yeah, it is what it is, man.
Bring her back in here and putit, you know, if you if you just
do a barbecue.
SPEAKER_06 (13:10):
But that's what it is.
So I mean, you see the wholething, you see the whole thing
with the with you know, October14th.
I want to keep mentioning thisguy's name, but October 14th,
his day of remembrance.
It's up to us.
It's up to us at this point.
SPEAKER_04 (13:25):
Like, I have a Asada day.
SPEAKER_06 (13:28):
Listen, as Chuck D once said, most of our heroes
don't appear on no stamps,y'all.
So you're gonna have to do it'sup to the black community, I
guess, to just say, look, man,we're gonna give these people
their day of remembrance orwhatever day you want to
designate it.
You know what I mean?
So, like the Malcolms, theAsada's, whoever, you know, I
think that that's where it hasto go at this point because
(13:49):
you're not gonna get a nationalholiday.
You know, how long if you're notgonna be able to do it, yeah.
Yeah, nothing in the nationalholiday.
Yeah, the King holiday waspretty much, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_04 (13:57):
Hey, look at what they had to do to get King's
holiday.
SPEAKER_06 (13:58):
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (14:00):
King died in 1968.
I remember when Charles Barkleygot picked up in Phoenix.
I think that was one of histhings where he was like, uh
something about he wasn'tleaving Phoenix until they
changed Martin Luther King Dayto a national holiday or
something like that.
You know, I'll I'll I'll saythis.
SPEAKER_03 (14:14):
I remember the reason why they did it.
It's so they can get the SuperBowl.
Because the NFI would not allowthem to have the Super Bowl
until they honored Martin LutherKing Day as a federal holiday.
SPEAKER_04 (14:26):
Yeah, and they passing all kinds of bills
immediately to get thisgoofball, some sort of uh statue
and that you national day ofremembrance, all kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_03 (14:36):
It's disrespectful.
It is a person that actuallystood for something should
should receive that type ofnotoriety.
She should be she should bepraised in that manner because
she actually stood forsomething.
SPEAKER_06 (14:49):
Gave her life to the cause, if that's what you know.
I could say such a thing, youknow what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (14:53):
And this is this is why they need um, again, you
know, I I don't count on theeducation system in America to
educate us completely right onAfrican American history.
However, I still think theystill need some African, I still
think they need African Americanhistory in school.
And I think this is the reasonwhy, you know, some people, you
(15:13):
know, this is the reason whywomen like that should be, you
know, studied and stuff likethat.
So, you know, a little girl,maybe in Jersey or something
like that, who's, you know, getto hear Side of Shakur's story,
get to hear so journey truth,um, some of these great women of
the past, man, and it and itinspired it'll inspire them, you
know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (15:30):
Oh yeah, yeah.
And I think but but you used yousay that, but right now, as we
speak, they are taking AfricanAmerican history out of the
books.
But that's why I'm saying itnever happened.
That's why I'm saying it.
That's why I'm saying thatthat's important that it's true.
I think when it when it comesdown to the movies, they're
changing the characters that mayhave done these things into
(15:53):
white people.
And he and and they tell a storylike these people were right.
SPEAKER_06 (15:59):
Or, you know, if you go like how they did with the uh
Harriet Tubman movie where theyput aspects in it that wasn't a
part of history.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, I think they hadlike the the bounty hunter or
something like that, was likethe antagonist and all, you
know, stuff like that thatdidn't but they they do that.
It's historical fiction at thispoint.
You know what I mean?
(16:20):
But um that's why I said it goesback to it goes back to what do
you do as a community, you knowwhat I mean?
Like, in order to keep thiseducation going because the
systems that set up, you as yousaid at your point, Dre, it's
not designed for them to do thatfor us.
You know what I mean?
It's not gonna, it's not gonnahappen.
In fact, they try to take it outmore than anything, you know
what I mean?
(16:41):
It's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_04 (16:42):
Yeah, I mean, but again, even in us telling our
history, man.
I mean, like, we've been makingall these movies over the years,
a lot of these uh hood flicksand all kinds of the stuff.
There's a lot of great women, alot of great people.
You remember at one time oranother, it seemed like we was
having back to back the exes andyou know, those kind of movies
and documentaries about thingsin the past, you know, the
Panthers and stuff like that.
(17:02):
It seemed like now we don'treally get too many of those
movies.
SPEAKER_06 (17:05):
Because they don't sell.
SPEAKER_04 (17:07):
Yeah, and if we get, I well, I just think they're not
the ones that I've seen as oflate weren't good movies.
You know what I mean?
The Fred Hampton one was realgood.
SPEAKER_06 (17:15):
Yeah, Fred Hampton, I dug that.
You know what I mean?
I dug that.
And also, like, if you want tojust use that as a rabbit hole,
because you know they're allthis stuff.
I don't care what movie theymake, it's never really
historically accurate.
You know what I mean?
They got a website that's calledum what's it uh I think it's
like fiction versus fantasy orsomething like that, where it's
(17:35):
like they take the historicalmovie and then they compare the
characters to who actually livedduring that time and what they
did and how they looked andthings like that, and they'll
tell you, well, this wascorrect, that wasn't correct, or
this character never existed,you know, during that time.
They just put them in there forthe movie.
So it's an interesting websiteif you if you go check it out.
SPEAKER_04 (17:58):
But can you can you figure can you um again we when
we get these movies that we'vehad in the past, man, it seems
like they constantly keep doingthe same movies over and over
again.
You know, you got like severaldifferent movies of Martin
Luther King, you got the severaldifferent movies of um Harriet
Tubman, man, you got people likeFannie Lou Hamer, you know, you
got a lot of different peoplewhere you if you put their story
(18:19):
together, you know, the wholestory about Fannie Lou Hamer
when she's in the the prison andthe police is beating her and
all this other stuff like thatfor her right to vote, and then
she how she goes down to theDemocratic National Convention
and tell her story.
You ever if you ever hear herstory, her speech about what she
went through in order to, youknow, earn the you know the
right to vote and all otherstuff like that, man?
Come on, man.
(18:39):
These are good stories, man.
I mean, that's stories,realities.
Realities are in somebody'slife.
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
In the words of Dr.
Umar.
We are the only listen.
Go ahead.
I'm gonna listen to you.
I'm gonna listen to you.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Right, that's I agree with thatone.
Like, that is insane, but we'resupposed to have so much
compassion for everybody else.
SPEAKER_06 (19:06):
That's insanity.
I hear you, I hear you, and Isee that Umar blood running
through you right now, brother.
But I am gonna give him hisprops for making that particular
statement.
SPEAKER_05 (19:19):
I live for the people.
SPEAKER_06 (19:23):
But I gotta also say the same Dr.
Umar just charged$500 forJiggolo now.
SPEAKER_05 (19:41):
But hey, listen, man, you know what's in the let
me let me let me ask you aquestion.
SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
It's the jiggolo.
SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
Well, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait.
If he didn't put a number on it,he was just looking for an
offering or donation, would thatbe fun?
SPEAKER_04 (19:59):
I just think it's weird altogether.
I think it's weird altogetherthat he's he's an activist
taking dates for$500, man.
SPEAKER_06 (20:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna put a T like this though.
SPEAKER_05 (20:12):
I'm gonna challenge the floor of him to hang out
with the doctor.
SPEAKER_03 (20:16):
I'm not I'm I'm I'm not the I'm not the uh don't
make me take my shirt off.
SPEAKER_05 (20:29):
You get to hang out with the Prince of Civil Rights.
SPEAKER_03 (20:38):
I'm serious.
If he didn't put a number on itand and he was just accepting
offerings of donations, wouldthat be cool?
SPEAKER_06 (20:44):
Well, that's all for a donation.
SPEAKER_04 (20:47):
Well, we are talking about Umar.
We're talking about a schoolthat ain't been up.
And I was riding with him in thebeginning.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Remember, I was riding with him.
Did you see have you seen theschool?
SPEAKER_06 (20:57):
I listen, the school exists.
The building exists.
Yes, I knew the building, thebuilding exists.
Yeah, I yeah, I've seen it.
Yeah, the building exists.
SPEAKER_04 (21:05):
Well, he doesn't have it anymore.
From what I understand, Ithought that's a part of his
lawsuit or something like that.
SPEAKER_03 (21:11):
Yeah, I heard he was trying to settle it, but uh, you
know, I don't I don't reallyknow how how that all works, but
I know if he if he wasn't tryingto if he was trying to teach uh
uh a European um educationalsystem, it wouldn't have been no
issues.
SPEAKER_04 (21:26):
No, I think his problem isn't, I think we talked
about this many times before.
His problem is, again, if he haddid what his initial plan was, I
think he would have a school.
I think once he let his realviews be known and he's coming
out with like a very racistview.
But you and even if you feelit's not racist, if you feel
it's not racist, or the peoplethat don't, he still got to get.
(21:49):
The definition of racism saysit's not racist.
No, but I'm saying here's thepoint.
He's still trying to get whitefunding for that school.
He can't he can't keep it up offof black funding.
Or, or, you know, the problem ishe got two issues.
Even if he took money from blackpeople, a lot of those black
people that would give him moneyare scared that they'll the the
(22:10):
white people that are they'remaking money with is not gonna
continue to back them if they'rebacking somebody like him.
So that's his problem.
So he can't get black moneybecause of that reason, and they
ain't gonna give him white moneybecause he's talking something
that they consider to be racist.
That's what I'm saying.
That's the problem.
SPEAKER_06 (22:26):
That's the only problem with Dr.
LeMar Johnson.
That's another thing.
That's not that wasn't gonna flyin Delaware.
This is the wrong place to dothat.
Yeah, I think he could havepulled this off any other place
outside of Delaware to behonest.
I don't think he could havepulled it off, no.
SPEAKER_03 (22:42):
But the overwhelming issue truly is the fact that
black people have to rely onwhite people in order to fund
their businesses.
That's a fact.
That's the real issue.
Yeah, that's that's the bottom.
That's in anything.
SPEAKER_06 (22:55):
So, what what is what's the what's the real
solution to that one though?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (23:00):
Separation.
SPEAKER_06 (23:02):
Listen, we already had this conversation.
SPEAKER_05 (23:04):
Can't put us all in one spot.
It's not gonna work.
SPEAKER_03 (23:07):
Well, no, you're talking about there there is a
group of now you're talkingabout school or you talking
about in general?
In general, there's a group ofblack people, might have been
about 50 of them or so.
They pulled all their resourcestogether and they bought about
5,000 acres.
And they're and they're livingin they're living in uh harmony.
(23:29):
They're they're creating they'recreating the new Black Wall
Street.
Let's see how long it takesbefore that gets bombed.
I mean, you might be completelyright.
SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
I'm not going down.
I'm just saying the point thatI'm making is that he's trying
to uh start a school in a inAmerica, you know what I mean,
in Delaware.
Not not Philly, not Harlem.
SPEAKER_05 (23:49):
It was someplace.
SPEAKER_06 (23:50):
I honestly believe it was someplace.
SPEAKER_04 (23:58):
You know what I mean?
He would have a rough time inthose places too, because again,
like you just said, at the endof the day, perfect example.
I'm Jay-Z.
I want to give him some money,all right, to start the school
because I'm really behind him.
But then I got to give him thismoney, but on the back end, you
got these people at Rock Nation,like, yo, listen, what are you
giving him money for?
He's a racist.
You know what I mean?
So then that's the whole socialmedia break them down kind of
(24:21):
thing.
That this is the reason why theydon't give that kind of, they
wouldn't give him that kind ofmoney.
SPEAKER_03 (24:25):
So how come how come nobody in our community says,
why does the KKK still exist?
What's wrong with you, whitepeople?
How come you're not fighting forit?
Are you racist?
SPEAKER_04 (24:33):
Well, again, I think that goes back to what I'm
saying.
No, nobody supports them, but onthe same token, it's like the
back end of that is that wedon't know exactly what, like,
we don't know who's gettingmoney from them.
You know what I mean?
If they're getting money fromthis, that's not like it just
comes up like that.
But again, I I I'll just say itat the at the end of the day,
(24:54):
man.
I just think he had a bad idea.
He should have just combed hiswhatever he was thinking until
he got the school over.
SPEAKER_03 (24:59):
So so you're telling me that the KK can the KKK can
exist anonymous, but peoplecan't contribute to Dr.
Umar's school anonymously?
I didn't say they can existanonymously.
SPEAKER_06 (25:09):
A lot of people probably have.
SPEAKER_04 (25:11):
They probably do, but I'm saying, yeah, a lot of
people contributed to hisschool.
I'm saying that in in reg afterhe let what his mind or his idea
of the school to be known, thatfunding went out the window,
man.
People, people who anybody thatcould give them some major
brides stopped.
That's just the bottom line.
SPEAKER_03 (25:33):
Because because they're they're they're feel
they're fearful of their checksstopping.
I'm not I'm not saying niggasain't supposed to get paid, but
that sounds like the sellout,the sellout information and
doctrine that was being pumpedto us in the 80s about niggas
being sellouts.
SPEAKER_06 (25:52):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
One thing you notice now is likeeven with uh the passional old
boy there, that kind of exposeda lot of the injured fingers of
our community because we do havea lot of people that sold out
that you see in publicly.
Really selling out.
SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
Remember, remember, remember Furious on Boys in the
Hood, how he was talking aboutgentrification and how on our we
we got liquor stores, gunstores.
That's all you see in ourcommunity.
Remember in the 80s where itwasn't cool to have a liquor
commercial?
You know what's funny?
SPEAKER_06 (26:27):
I remember that.
I remember even Nas.
I remember Nas saying one time,he said, No, I wouldn't promote
any liquor.
I remember him saying that onMTV.
SPEAKER_04 (26:36):
He opened up casinos and he promoting liquor.
SPEAKER_06 (26:38):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
That's what it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (26:40):
Double, double thing on all of that.
All right, guys.
He gave me a little bit more.
SPEAKER_04 (26:46):
Republicans buy sneakers, too.
That's Michael Jordan, man.
SPEAKER_03 (26:53):
Wow.
Republicans buy sneakers, too.
And and and that's why off thecourt, LeBron will always be a
better man.
I somewhat agree to that, man.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (27:03):
All right, y'all.
So listen, we're gonna move on.
SPEAKER_04 (27:05):
Not on the court, off the court.
Yeah, definitely.
Oh, I know exactly what you'retalking about.
I'd never say on the court.
SPEAKER_06 (27:10):
Can't take that away from so we're gonna move on to
the next topic, y'all, which isum Ghana's motion to um deem the
slave trade a crime againsthumanity.
So the president of uh Ghana,President, I might be
pronouncing his name wrong,y'all.
Uh, President Ma Mahawa Mahama.
(27:31):
I could be pronouncing it wrong,but he addressed the uh U.S.
Assembly and he wanted to deemthe slave trade uh a crime
against humanity.
What I'm gonna do is I'm gonnago ahead and play a clip of him
addressing the UN and then I getyour brother's thoughts on it.
SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
Madam President, the slave trade must be recognized
as the greatest crime againsthumanity.
As the African champion onreparations, Ghana intends to
introduce a motion in thisAugust body to that effect.
More than twelve and a halfmillion Africans were forcibly
taken against their will andtransported to create wealth for
the powerful Western nations.
(28:08):
We must demand reparations forthe enslavement of our people
and the colonization of our landthat resulted in the theft of
our natural resources, as wellas the looting of artifacts and
other items of cultural heritagethat have yet to be retained in
total.
SPEAKER_06 (28:25):
So, brothers, what do you want us also to outside
of reparations is areinstitution of cultural
artifacts as he spoke of,apologies and accountabilities.
And so, um what do you thinkabout that, John?
SPEAKER_03 (28:40):
Alright, for me, one.
Um it's 2025.
We we we we just trying torecognize the slave trade as
being a crime against humanity.
That's that's insanity in myeyes.
Two.
SPEAKER_04 (28:56):
Um let me let me just say that.
I'm just quickly saying, but Ithink you can go back to what
you're saying.
I think the reason why that wehave to do it actually, and not
to say that it ain't we alreadyknow what it is, but I think the
thing of it is is that Americawalks around here like they do
the own thing.
They sit in the UN, they sit inthe UN passing judgment on
(29:19):
different countries and allkinds of other stuff like that,
and they still don't acknowledgethat.
So, you know, finish what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
Yeah, I was I was gonna say the the fact that
that's that's still a thing iscrazy.
Two, I personally don'tnecessarily believe everything
that was taught to us, the theway that it was taught to us.
I believe that us as blackpeople, as non ether beans, was
(29:47):
already here too.
Although the men being been someslaves that they transported
over, I can't see how allthousands and thousands of
people would still be alivethrough that trip.
In the let's say, you know,1400s or whatever it was.
To make that long of a journeyin in those uh boats, most of
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the people would die.
A lot of them did.
SPEAKER_04 (30:19):
A lot of them did.
A lot of people killed a lot ofpeople killed themselves.
Well, it doesn't I I stillbelieve I mean I mean the proof
of the transatlantic slave tradeis, you know, all through the
Caribbean, all through America.
So I mean, it's not like theyjust a lot of from what I
understand, I could becompletely wrong, but you know,
I thought I learned from schoolthat that it's not like they
(30:41):
just came here.
I think a lot of times theystopped and docked at different
places and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
So black black people or brown people are the
indigenous people of this land.
So the they didn't we didn'tneed to be brought here.
We were already here.
Oh no, I mean that's obviously.
They tried to come over here.
They're the immigrants.
That's obvious.
SPEAKER_04 (31:01):
The Indians was here, and you know, they're of
color, so where did they comefrom?
Obviously.
I mean, at the end of the day,you know, me, I I believe in the
Bible.
We all come from Africa.
But uh, you know, the Indianswas here when they got here.
They're people of color.
That's simply it.
That's the answer to thequestion in regards to that.
SPEAKER_06 (31:18):
So let me ask you guys this if the UN does declare
it as a um as a crime againsthumanity, but no reparations are
given.
They're not given.
Does it does it still matter?
SPEAKER_03 (31:29):
I don't even think we'll ever get reparations
because black people are givingme a it it doesn't matter
because it's it's a it's abasically a uh a smack in the
face where all all these othergroups are awarded reparations.
Jews, Chinese, uh everybody.
They all get reparations.
(31:49):
Irish, Italians, everybody.
Yeah, everybody got.
They all get reparations, exceptfor us, the people that had to
fight to be human.
SPEAKER_04 (31:56):
But I I think their goal is not, I mean, even though
he's probably asking forreparations, I think his goal is
kind of like the same as MalcolmX goal when he was went there
for human rights.
It's like to say, like, y'allgotta stop coming here, like
y'all the moral compass of theworld.
You know what I mean?
Like y'all got a lot of dirt onyour hands, you know.
Y'all killed the Indians, y'all,y'all bought these um African
(32:19):
Africans here, you know, againsttheir will.
So I think that's the wholepoint of just exposing that.
And and I mean, we all, it's allsomething that we all know in
the background, but I think it'sjust that they want people to
say it and start to acknowledgeit.
Because that's what Malcolmwanted.
I mean, I I'm quite sure if yourose Malcolm up out of the
ground right now and you askedhim, did he ever think we was
gonna get reparations?
(32:40):
He'll tell you you're a nut ifyou think that.
You know what I mean?
I don't think you're gonna get Iwould like to get it.
I like my 40 acres in the mule,I can use it.
SPEAKER_06 (32:47):
But what if it what if it just comes in like the
cultural restoration and youknow the education funding, but
not actually giving the peoplethe money?
Does that still matter?
Y'all think it still matters?
SPEAKER_04 (33:02):
I want the money.
I want the money.
That's what I want.
I want my 40, my 40 acres and mymule.
I want the m I want the money,the land, whatever came with it.
SPEAKER_03 (33:13):
Yeah, I can I I can I can handle it.
SPEAKER_04 (33:15):
Forget the education.
Yeah, forget the education.
I don't care about I'm gonnatell you, I'm gonna tell you why
this forget the education.
Because I can real picture proofthat you can get the education,
they still don't get nothing outof that in America.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Give me the money and the land.
But also, though, I I I wouldlike to see all the artifacts
that we've read about that wehaven't seen.
I would love to see those.
The ones that they hide in thein the in the in in the bottom
of the Vatican, the ones thatthey hide in the bottom of the
Smithsonian, the ones that wasappropriated by renowned artists
(33:52):
that are there today.
Yeah, you're Michelangelo's andall that.
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_06 (34:00):
You think that will ever, ever be acknowledged?
I know Bill Cosby did that, youknow, back in the day, but you
think that will ever beacknowledged like historically,
this is what happened.
Because he had all the factslined up, but you never heard
anybody speak about it afterthat.
SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
The way that America is going now, they're even
better, they're burying that.
They already discredited Bill.
So the generation, thisgeneration now is never gonna
listen to nothing Bill says.
We know it.
Oh, Bill was that guy, man.
SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
Bill was that guy.
SPEAKER_03 (34:32):
Yeah, but this this generation, they like they even
even when I heard um, I think itwas Jay-Z say something about
Bill Cosby, I was like, yo,that's real disrespectful.
That's real disrespectful comingfrom you.
SPEAKER_04 (34:44):
Listen, man, I don't know what the man did as far as
you know what he did in in thecourt, if it was right or wrong,
but you can't still deny whathe's done in in life for black
people, man.
You know what I mean?
So many words, Bill Cosby madeum white black people palatable
for white people.
You know what I mean?
And I and I'm not saying thatthat means anything.
(35:05):
I'm just saying that, you know,from my perspective, but it
seems like he made it, whereas,you know, I believe in so many
ways he kind of opened the roadfor opportunity for an Obama and
stuff like that.
Where you made it like, youknow, he made like when you
looked at Claire Huxtable andthem and looked at, you know,
him as the father, it changedthe idea, ideology of how people
(35:26):
look at black people, I believe.
SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
Because we because because they were well off, but
they was a doctor and a lawyer.
Right.
And they didn't they didn'thandle themselves like we rich,
you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it was they they wasfinancially secure.
But you never heard any time inin the hospitals be like, yo, we
rich.
SPEAKER_04 (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, no.
SPEAKER_06 (35:47):
Yeah, in fact, they taught the kids, they taught the
kids to actually try to preservemoney or go to less expensive
route for different things, youknow what I mean?
Absolutely.
You know what I mean?
Man, the had a shirt, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:59):
And they did it all with being black people, you
know what I mean?
Like they didn't call come onthere, you know, talking now
like how they were, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (36:09):
It wasn't no coonin' and buffooning on on a on the
Cosby show.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (36:13):
So make like that that stark contrast to like how
even you know, during that timeof the 70s and whatnot, when you
had the good times and all thatstuff like that, even when they
made appearances on other shows,like the Evans family made
appearances on other shows, itwas always like a struggle talk.
You know what I mean?
Or James didn't have which youknow, and don't get me wrong,
(36:35):
man.
I'm not saying nothing againstJames Evans, man.
That was the guy, but it wasalways presented like, well, you
know, dad dropped out of youknow, elementary school or
something like that.
You know what I mean?
Like, and he just had to workall the time, and he can impart
some wisdom, but you know,Michael was always somewhat
smarter than Pop.
You know what I mean?
So it's like that type of thing.
And then when you kind of fastforward another 10, 15, 20 years
(36:56):
and you get the Cosby's, youknow what I mean?
And then after that, you get adifferent world, and then
everything after that, you knowwhat I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (37:03):
Well, well, them shows, them shows did a lot.
SPEAKER_06 (37:06):
They did a lot, they did a lot in terms of uh black
culture.
Like you was giving me a factearlier when you're talking
about black culture, Ravy.
You're talking about like uh theinfluence that black people
have.
SPEAKER_04 (37:16):
Um yeah, they was I was saying something uh earlier,
they were saying like some pollthere pulled and was talking
about how um what cultures likethe top five cultures that kind
of like um influentialinfluential in the world, and
they like had I think China,Mexico, uh oh, it was uh Japan,
(37:37):
and the top one was um theAfrican Americans.
They were saying that we ourculture just runs the earth, you
know what I mean?
I was like, wow, you know what Imean?
That's kind of amazing.
Like we're probably the mosthated, but we're the most adored
in some ways.
SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
We're the most copied.
Check this out.
I'm uh and I hope y'all rememberthis because we all watch the
cosmic show.
Do you remember the episode whenTheo and Cockroach was rapping
Shakespeare?
So they could understand it,yeah.
Right, right.
That's Hamilton.
SPEAKER_06 (38:07):
I'm serious.
Well, I mean Hamilton was morehistorical, but I get what
you're saying.
The concept.
The concept.
Well, I never thought aboutthat.
SPEAKER_03 (38:14):
What they be doing now, that's Hamilton.
SPEAKER_06 (38:16):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
Bill Cosby showed that too and put that idea in
our brain.
SPEAKER_06 (38:20):
And I'm gonna go deeper.
I'm gonna go deeper with you onthat one.
The educational system adaptedthat too, because they said that
kids learn better in song.
So you did see like a lot ofteachers, uh Ron Clark, the uh
Ron Clark, the started Ron ClarkAcademy, started like that.
So it's like making these rapsongs or whatever the case is
for kids to learn certainsubjects.
(38:40):
You know what I mean?
Hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (38:42):
Yeah, because they're able they're able, it's
it's it basically translatedinto something that they
understand.
SPEAKER_06 (38:48):
Shoutoff to you, brother.
That's what it's about.
All right, so let's look atthis.
Now, I don't I want to see ifthis matches with what you have
there, right?
So this is the top five,according to chat, GPT.
It says the Western culture, theEuropean, American culture is
number one, Chinese culture isnumber two, Indian culture is
(39:11):
number three, Islamic or Arabicculture is number four, and
African cultures, West Africanand diasporic is number five
because of music, jazz, hip-hop,afrobeat, spirituality,
storytelling, dance, resilience,despite colonialism.
SPEAKER_04 (39:29):
You said it's number five overall.
SPEAKER_06 (39:31):
They were saying it was number five.
They were saying it was numberthree.
SPEAKER_04 (39:34):
Because there is no such thing as well.
SPEAKER_05 (39:39):
Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_04 (39:41):
I mean, all the everything that comes out of
here, you know, you know, unlessyou like, if you're looking at
European culture, like maybe isthat like is that like Rome?
SPEAKER_05 (39:49):
Let me get Italy, or you know, different spots like
that, or I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (39:53):
But I'm saying, I know in regards to here, like,
you know, everything that's inthe United States in some way,
shape, or form, soul food, jazz,um, rock and roll.
SPEAKER_03 (40:04):
Um they had break dancing in the Olympics, and it
wasn't no niggas.
SPEAKER_05 (40:10):
You know what I'm saying?
What was the what was the girlat that everybody's going crazy
over Sting Stingray or somethinglike that?
SPEAKER_04 (40:21):
Yeah, here's the funny part about that.
And when they went to differentcountries, there was no brothers
in it, man.
Different countries, man.
You know what I mean?
It's funny because we we wereprobably, you know, the United
States is so bugged out.
We can have a Chinese playing,you know, in any sport here in
the United States and call thema Chinese, you know, call them
an American or whatever likethat.
(40:41):
They ain't no brothers inAustralia or nothing like that.
SPEAKER_06 (40:45):
I've seen I think the the new wave out in Japan,
you know, like the the Asianbrothers are getting afrows now.
SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
It's crazy.
Hey, they have a way to kinktheir hair up.
SPEAKER_06 (40:58):
Yeah, they're getting afros now, man.
It's wild.
SPEAKER_03 (41:00):
They use them basically like a uh uh uh like
it's it's like a uh a lapstocktype of needle and thread type
of thing, and it kinks theirhair up.
Yeah, or they crochet in theirjoint.
Yeah, they crochet their thingslike that.
SPEAKER_06 (41:12):
You know, the the Asian sisters have the braids.
K-pop ain't nothing but uh, youknow, uh uh what was Belleville
DeVoe and all the back in theday.
SPEAKER_05 (41:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean?
That's all that is, man.
SPEAKER_04 (41:26):
That's wild, man.
Yeah, I mean I I mean, I'm not,you know, God knows I ain't
gotta, like I always say, man, Ihad a racist born in my body,
man, but I don't even know whatEuropean culture is.
SPEAKER_06 (41:38):
Well, let's say, okay, let's this is what it
says.
It says uh the roots of it,they're saying the shaping the
world.
I I read fresh.
SPEAKER_04 (41:46):
What did they say for European culture?
What is it?
SPEAKER_06 (41:47):
It says uh Western European American culture is the
roots of Greco-Romanenlightenment, renaissance, and
Christianity.
The influence is democracy,capitalism, science, technology,
Hollywood, social media, globalbrands.
SPEAKER_03 (42:01):
That's all us.
SPEAKER_06 (42:02):
Yeah.
Now, these are all the thingsthat we influence, right?
So, like, say, I see what you'resaying because we influence all
of these things that's on this,you know, Western American
culture list.
Now, for our list, they say ourroots.
SPEAKER_04 (42:15):
Just to say, just to say this, man.
Everything that's in that patentoffice, you know, uh, in regards
to, you know, we're talkingabout science, you know, um,
inventions, all that other stufflike that, is basically ideas
that are stolen from um, youknow, Americans and Latinos,
man.
SPEAKER_06 (42:29):
So let's do the let's do the compare and
contrast.
So I'm gonna go over the way.
SPEAKER_04 (42:32):
I'm not saying that they haven't contributed
anything, but I'm just saying alot of the contributed writing
laws after they steal stuff.
SPEAKER_06 (42:38):
All right, so let's go, let's go over it again,
y'all.
SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
They can write some laws so they can.
SPEAKER_06 (42:41):
So again, so Western Europe, they said the the Greco,
the Greco-Roman, Enlightenment,Renaissance, Christianity is the
roots.
The influence is democracy,capitalism, science, technology,
Hollywood, social media, globalbrands.
SPEAKER_04 (42:56):
They got Hollywood.
SPEAKER_06 (42:57):
Global brands, and English as global lingua franca.
Now, that's just the roots thatthey have here, the influence
and roots for Western.
Now, if you compare it to whatwe have here, our roots they say
is ancient kingdoms, Mali,Sangali, Um, Egypt, and
Ethiopia.
The influence is music, jazz,the music, musical influence.
(43:17):
Let me slow down.
It's jazz, blues, reggae,hip-hop, afro beats, oral
traditions, spirituality, art,and the diaspora, African
American and Afro-Caribbeaninfluence on global culture, is
fashion, activism, and politics.
However, if you compare the two,everything that we do influences
the first thing.
Yeah.
So it's like, yeah, so that's wepretty much do.
(43:39):
You know, we pretty much do.
SPEAKER_04 (43:40):
And I mean, and it all makes sense, especially
because if you look at Europeanculture, I mean, I mean, really,
when you talk about Europeanculture, you talk about white
people in America.
I'm assuming that's what you'resaying.
SPEAKER_05 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (43:50):
You know what I mean?
If you talk about that, thenthat's it go hand in hand
because we was on the boat whenthey got here.
We were here when they got here,you know what I mean?
So it's all go hand in hand.
So that's the way it is.
But um, yeah, man, that's that'skind of crazy, man.
SPEAKER_06 (44:03):
There's people in the jungle that know things.
And then they gave more thanit's like.
SPEAKER_04 (44:05):
They gave them Christianity.
They gave them Christianity.
I mean, we all know if if youdon't believe in nothing, at
least you know that all, youknow, um, the beginning of most
most religions start, you know,somewhere in uh Africa, you know
what I mean?
So I mean, and you know, I'm aChristian, so I believe in the
Bible.
Whoever else you don't believein, whatever you're gonna
believe in, but I believe in theBible.
I believe that it started inAfrica.
(44:26):
So I mean, I know we didn't, Iknow we know it didn't start in
America, and it definitelydidn't start in Europe.
You know what I mean?
So that's that they give themChristianity, man.
I can't believe that, man.
SPEAKER_06 (44:43):
Yeah, man.
But I mean, it's it's it's it'swild.
So the other stuff, you know,um, I just look at it.
SPEAKER_04 (44:50):
This kind of reminds me of uh Dave Schipellin when
they had the uh the racial draftand something like that.
SPEAKER_06 (44:58):
Yeah, man.
I was like, but everything thatdoesn't give them that
Greco-Roman wrestling.
SPEAKER_03 (45:02):
They got that.
SPEAKER_06 (45:03):
Yeah, they can have that one.
SPEAKER_03 (45:05):
Yeah, but but but if you if you think about it, that
that don't that don't look uhlook real masculine.
I never liked it, man.
Two men should be doing that.
SPEAKER_04 (45:14):
Yeah, I never liked it, man.
Yeah, I like you know, justregular fisticuffs.
Yeah, so that's so like yeah,hugging on you and all that.
SPEAKER_03 (45:22):
We're not gonna be rumbling on each other.
We're gonna rumble.
SPEAKER_05 (45:24):
So then how do y'all feel about MMA?
SPEAKER_04 (45:28):
That's different.
I like boxing, man.
SPEAKER_03 (45:31):
That's different.
SPEAKER_05 (45:31):
How soldier?
SPEAKER_03 (45:33):
It's different because because that's the ass
the wrestling is an aspect ofit.
It ain't the whole thing.
Yeah, like if you get in astreet fight nine times out of
ten, you're gonna go to theground.
And you gotta learn, you gottaknow what to do when you get
down there.
SPEAKER_06 (45:50):
But I would think that you want to wear some Olafs
or something like that whileyou're down there, perhaps some.
SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
Yeah, but but but Reco-Roman wrestling is I'm
gonna hold you down and pin you.
SPEAKER_05 (46:01):
Well, yeah, well, yeah, you yeah, you're right,
you're right, you're right.
SPEAKER_04 (46:04):
Listen, I I knew I couldn't do the sport when I saw
the uniform, man.
They could have if they put usin some overalls or something
like that, maybe.
Uniform is crazy, man.
SPEAKER_06 (46:16):
Uniform is a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (46:17):
Yeah, I never liked the uniform.
SPEAKER_06 (46:19):
At least, at least in wrestling, in wrestling,
wrestling, you can be acharacter, man.
You don't have to fight in yourjeans and wrestling.
Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04 (46:28):
You got some boy, you got somebody uh taco meat
all in your face, man.
SPEAKER_06 (46:34):
I'm not taking away nothing from them brothers and
sisters, because they arethey're actually athletes, man,
but it's the uniform.
SPEAKER_04 (46:38):
Yeah, they they they super athletes, super.
Definitely athletes, man.
I don't know if I never I neverhad a uh a guy who wrestles grab
you.
Them some strong people, man.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (46:49):
My nephew is a wrestler now, and he actually uh
made face his freshman year,which was last year.
Yeah, his first time, you knowwhat I'm saying, doing his
thing.
So, you know, hopefully he'd beable to get something out of it,
but that was never somethingthat I wanted to do.
Oh no.
Like I I I ain't gonna say itlike that, but I was at the at
the time when I was a youngster,I didn't really consider that a
(47:12):
real sport.
I I want to play real sports,you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (47:17):
John J.
High School, they brought usdownstairs, and uh they told us
that they was gonna wrestleduring gym class.
I didn't even think about it,brother.
I grabbed that basketball, wentto work.
Grabbed that basketball, went towork, man.
SPEAKER_03 (47:36):
Unless you talk about flying up the top rope
like Jimmy Smith, you know whatI'm saying?
Super fly, I don't know nothingabout it.
SPEAKER_04 (47:43):
I thought pretty much, you know, all the ballers,
you know, we pretty we gonna beover here.
You know what I mean?
We we already know we physicallyfit.
We're gonna be over here.
Every now and then you want usto climb a rope and do some
push-ups or something like that,we'll do that for you.
And that would be it, man.
Pretty much that, man.
SPEAKER_06 (47:56):
All right, Joe.
We're gonna get ready to wrapthis one up, man.
So in closing, man, uh again, wejust wanna give a shout out to
all the effort and everythingthat's all that she called
putting because you talk aboutdefinitely not.
SPEAKER_03 (48:10):
Yeah, that's the problem with me.
SPEAKER_06 (48:12):
Also, um for for Ghana for calling you know the
UN the court on this whole youknow reparations thing.
SPEAKER_04 (48:26):
Yeah, shout out to shout out to them for, you know,
obviously, I bring it, I want tostop the ending here, but yeah,
man, you know, we need moreAfrican people all all around to
you know recognize each other.
SPEAKER_06 (48:37):
Well, it really like you, you know, it shouldn't just
be a Ghana thing.
You know what I mean?
It shouldn't be a Ghana thing,it shouldn't have been you know,
more more people actually speakup.
SPEAKER_04 (48:48):
I think we I think we hear in the you know,
American people, just American,African American people don't
gave up on that altogether.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's just the bottomline with that.
SPEAKER_06 (48:57):
Probably probably, but yeah, I think it more should
be put on a world stage likethat.
You know what I mean?
So we're gonna definitely keepour ear to the ground on that
one to see how it turned out,you know.
SPEAKER_03 (49:08):
Yeah, shout out to uh Ibrahim Torrey showing us the
way.
Ibrahim Tore.
SPEAKER_04 (49:14):
Ibrahim Tore, man.
Yeah, I gotta I gotta dig intohim uh a lot more, man.
But I I heard a lot of goodthings from him so far.
SPEAKER_06 (49:21):
Well, I know one thing, man.
They thought they was going overthere getting some old
unintelligent dictator orsomething like that, man.
This brother showed him showedhim what it's about, man.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (49:31):
So man, you better get his get his weight up with
that military, man.
SPEAKER_06 (49:34):
Trust me, he wouldn't be speaking like that
if he didn't.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (49:38):
But but he he he's the one that took the country
over with the military.
Listen, man, I hear you.
I I was a young person when uhMo Mark die.
I know I remember waking up onemorning, and you probably could
find a YouTube video.
And I thought, you know, as akid, you thinking, wow, we about
to go to war or something likethat.
And I just remember seeing MoMark Kadafi talking crazy.
(49:59):
He was slamming a uh machete ona podium or something like that,
talking crazy.
And uh this is during RonaldReagan time.
Uh one or two days later, dadblew up his whole family and
everything.
You know what I mean?
They just missed him.
They just missed him, man.
This United States is crazy,man.
(50:19):
You know what I mean?
So tell him to tighten up, makehis closest friends closest,
man, get them military aroundhim as deep as you can.
Pray.
Pray, because you're gonna needsome prayers, boy.
You most certainly will.
SPEAKER_06 (50:32):
Yep.
So we're going for another one.
So look, guys, I um for theaudience, what do you think
about historical injustices likethe transatlantic slave trade?
What form of recognition ofreparations that you feel is
most meaningful to you?
Like symbolic financial,cultural.
You know, the brothers saying,like, look, man, give us the
48th thing, y'all can keep therest of it, we figure it out.
(50:53):
So we just want to know what youthink with that money, alright?
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Peace, peace, peace, peace, peace.
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