November 11, 2024 • 47 mins
Discover the incredible world of black golf with us and our guests, Scott Paris from Shady Rest Golf and Country Club and Tianna Mañón CEO of Mañón Media Management. We uncover the vibrant culture and rich history of African-American contributions to the sport, shedding light on the camaraderie, music, and cultural celebrations that make golf more than just a game. Our conversation takes you to historical milestones like the Shady Rest Country Club, the first black-owned golf club in America, where legends like Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong once gathered.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Give me a moment with you, friend.
I've never been up to mythoughts before.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome to the only One, mike Podcast Roger, rob,
brooklyn, dre.
We got a few people in thebuilding tonight.
We're going to talk some blackgolf y'all, something that maybe
a lot of y'all didn't knowabout that.
You know our people do golfoutside of Tiger Woods, so
joining us we have Scott Parisand Tiana Manon of Manning
Management.
How you doing.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Good evening, good evening, great to be on the show
.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm ready.
I'm ready for some black golf.
You ready for some black golf?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let's go.
We're going to talk black golfbecause I'm going to be honest,
full disclosure.
I don't play golf, I playminiature golf.
That's about the extent of mygolf.
Oh, I'm sorry, in the drivingrange.
Okay Listen, I belt out a fewat the driving range.
I think I don't go enough.
Hey, that's a good start.
It's a good start, yeah.
So I mean, I don't know if thepatience level is there for me
(01:09):
to do the.
What is it like?
Nine 18 holes?
I don't know how many is itnormally?
Educate us.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You can do nine, you can do 18.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So you think I would her laughing, do you think
that's what?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
that's me all the time.
I you know what let's do nineand then get some food, and then
maybe we can think about thatback nine.
But I'm definitely someone.
I'm stopping at the clubhouse,we're drinking, we're getting,
we're ordering some food, andthen we we think about it, but
by then it's been another houror two.
So I'm definitely a little bit.
(01:46):
I think scott is here tobalance me out because I'm a
little bit more of like a socialfun golfer kind of thing.
You know he brings a little bitmore of a serious skill aspect
so let me, let me touch on thisreal quick, scott.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So when you say social golfer, like are you,
like you got music in the backof that cart and all that going
on.
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, that's what makes the game fun.
It's really a social aspect.
You know you bring your music,you got your playlist.
You're with your friends.
You know you had a social event.
It's all about connection.
You're out there on the course.
It's just you, the course.
You know your people and yourmusic.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I and you're out there on the course.
It's just you, the course.
You know your people and yourmusic.
I was actually just joking.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You enlightened me on something I didn't even know
that you can do that, See therewe go.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That's like a barbecue there.
Yeah, I played in a couple oftournaments this year and not
only did they have a barbecue onthe course, but they had a DJ
in the middle of the golf course.
That was getting busy.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So how are?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
you talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Let me ask you a question Did you really upset
the white folks, man?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, some people make it like a funny look
, but you know one of the things, the couple of events that I've
been to, they've been primarilyall black golfers, so it's
really been our people that areout there.
So you feel comfortable and youknow it's just everybody
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getting in and enjoying the gameof golf and bringing our
culture to it as well too, andexpanding the game and being
ourselves.
I think that's the one thing.
In the beginning it is a littlebit intimidating when I first
started playing golf because youknow, you have like this
perception of how it is andunfortunately, the game has been
closed off to blacks and peopleof color.
(03:45):
Throughout the course of historyand I think now you know,
throughout the course of time,with Tiger Woods and a lot of
the other some of the othergolfers that have made it more
mainstream, it's definitelyexposed the game and made it
more popular within ourcommunity.
And then also you see a lot ofprofessional athletes like
basketball players and footballplayers.
You then also you see a lot ofprofessional athletes like
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basketball players and footballplayers.
You know you look at MichaelJordan and Steph Curry.
They're doing a lot to, youknow, expose people to the game
of golf and it's definitelygrowing and it's a lot of fun.
But, yes, it was intimidatingin the beginning.
But once you start to learnmore about the golf etiquette,
(04:27):
you learn more about the rules.
It's a lot of fun.
It's great exposure.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Is there a lot of racism in it now?
I mean, I'm quite sure it's notlike it was in the past.
But you know, do you guys feeluncomfortable with certain golf
courses and things like that?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yes, I have felt a little bit uncomfortable at more
some of the uh, the privatecourses, like I've been uh
invited to a couple of privatecountry clubs and the vibe there
.
You know you're sometimes oftenthe only one on the course and
so that sometimes can be alittle unsettling, a little
uncomfortable and you do getlooks, but oftentimes people are
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receptive and they're welcomingand they want to grow the game
too within these differentmarkets as well too.
So so some people are open andyou know I haven't faced a lot
of.
You know I've never had anyracist comments or anything of
that nature, just more so youmaybe get some funny looks and
things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And it's a good thing that you you know, you
mentioned that, because we asAfrican-Americans have a deep
rooted history in golf and a lotof people don't discuss that
portion of history.
So, speaking of, we're talkingabout Shady Rest Country Club in
Scotts Plains, new Jersey,which actually has a lot of
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black history entrenched in it,and this is why we want to have
you guys on to discuss this.
Of course we can talk about,you know how you play the game,
but you know, I mean we want todiscuss the history of it as
well.
So for those that don't know,it was built in the mid 1700s,
originally a farmhouse, and wasconverted into a tavern, and
then the Westfield Country Cluband in 1921, the Progressive
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Realty Company Incorporated,which was a group of black
investors, purchased WestfieldCountry Club and established the
Shady Rust Country Club and itwas for the leisure of a lot of
African Americans.
During that time they also had alot of Black performers come
through, like Ella Fitzgerald,duke Ellington, so on and so
forth, we can name them all.
But I believe WEB Du Boisplayed there as well and it was
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like considered like a Blackoasis.
People would travel from Harlem.
Who worked at the Cotton Clubin Harlem couldn't enjoy the
Cotton Club because they werejust workers and after that was
over they would travel all theway to Scotch Plains, new Jersey
, just to go to Shady Rest andsee the performers play the game
had a lot of famous people comeout of there, and what was the
(07:01):
gentleman's name?
It was John help me out.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yes, John Shippen Jr.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
John Shippen Jr, yep, who actually has a tournament
named after him.
If I'm correct, that's correct,I do my homework.
Folks applaud that.
All right.
So now if you want to expound alittle bit more on the Shady
Rust Country Club and itscontribution to the black
community, that's almost like anunsung history.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, I mean, the Shady Rest Country Club is truly
a landmark.
It's a national landmark aswell too.
Founded in 1921, as youmentioned, the first owned black
country club in America.
And, um, you know also JohnShippen Jr, who was the golf pro
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who oversaw the grounds and theupkeeping of the uh of the golf
club portion.
Golf course, um, as you know,was the first not only uh
African-American, uhprofessional golfer, but he's
actually the first American-borngolfer to play in the US Open.
So not only is it Black history, but it's also American history
(08:11):
.
And, to your point, the ShadyRest Country Club was truly a
mecca.
We had several different, youknow, high-caliber artists of
that time that would come andperform there.
At the time when they firstopened up, they had over 200
members and it really it's alsoin the Green Book too.
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So it was one of thoselocations in the northeast that
you know middle class, upperclass black people could come
and feel comfortable to, youknow partake in playing golf.
It also had a tennis, it alsohad tennis courses and just a
really remarkable history thatwe have, and glad that they were
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able to preserve that and makeit a National Registry landmark
location.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And, if I can, I just want to do it on the justice
that they deserve.
It was Ella Fitzgerald, dukeEllington, count Basie, billie
Holiday, sarah Vaughn, louisArmstrong and Cab Calloway,
amongst others, that frequentthat club.
So, again, it's one of thosethings that's history but just
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not spoken about.
There's something you got todig deep into to actually find
it.
Did you guys have to find that?
You needed to do that basedupon your love for the sport
that made you, you know, lookdeeper into it yeah, well for me
how I stumbled upon the shadyrest country club in the history
.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Um, the course had been taken over by the town of
scotch scotch plains and theyrenamed the course uh, scotch
hills country club?
yeah, golf course, and so I wasjust going there because it was
only 20 course Scotch Hills GolfCourse and so I was just going
there, because it was only 20minutes from my house, just to
play golf.
I had no idea about the historyand there was a gentleman by
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the name of Lamont who was fromScotch Plains and who was
influential as far as preservingthe shady rest.
He kind of ran me down.
He was like man, we're lookingfor black golfers to come here
and participate and be who wasinfluential as far as preserving
the Shady Rest.
He kind of ran me down.
He was like man, we're lookingfor black golfers to come here
and participate and be part of aclub that we're trying to grow,
and he was sharing with me alot of the history and the
museum.
(10:16):
The museum is amazing.
Anybody that has an opportunityto take a look at the Shady
Rest Golf actual pro shop andcountry club Shady Rest Golf
actual pro shop and country club.
It's still in existence, theexact same building that was
constructed in 1921.
People can go see the museumand they have John Shippen
memorabilia and a lot of thepictures of the artists that you
(10:39):
just mentioned performing atthe Shady Rest.
It's truly remarkable.
So I just kind of stumbled uponit and learned more about it
and became part of the golf clubthat they have to kind of keep
the history going and promotingthe game.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, I remember seeing this report on PIX11 some
time ago and it was like themorning show.
They were doing a piece aboutthe golf course.
They said in the actual museumthat john shipping jr has like a
club, a golf club that has hisface like embroidered in on it,
like I believe did he make clubsas well, if I'm correct.
(11:15):
I could be wrong, but I believe.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, he did make clubs they.
They still have one of hisputters that's, uh, in the in
the um museum and they also havea portrait that was painted of
him.
The artist has passed away, buta lot of really good stuff in
that museum.
Also, as far as, like historyof golf, the golf tee was
invented by a black man, so thathistory is embraced and
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showcased in the museum at theShady Rest George Franklin or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I believe his name is , yeah, exactly, george Franklin
.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So do you believe like and it's just a question to
the court to say that thismight be something like how a
lot of sports might just beingrained in our DNA, that we
don't take advantage of thisBecause all we know is like well
, basketball, football, baseballat one point, and then it's
like golf.
Why do you think we were cutout that particular part of
history?
(12:09):
I know like golf has alwaysbeen historically quote unquote
like a white elitist sport, youknow, not knowing that, even
though we had kind of like ourblack elites that were playing
it as well, but we had a spot init.
So why do you think that waskind of like pushed to the
corner until Tiger Woods madethe scene, or something like
that for our generation?
Why do you believe that was?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I believe it was strategic.
You know, when you think aboutgolf courses in the game of golf
, a lot of it is businessrelated to a lot of your top.
You know business deals aredone on a golf course
Politically.
You know you see a lot ofpoliticians, a lot of your top.
You know business deals aredone on the golf course
Politically.
You know you see a lot ofpoliticians, a lot of
influential people that make keydecisions in the community.
(12:53):
A lot of that um you know thoseresources and things of that
nature.
So I think that was part of it.
And then, just um, you know thecost of it as well too.
(13:16):
I think that was anotherbarrier that was um implemented
to help, unfortunately, to blockmore black people, people of
color black people specifically,from playing the game of golf.
The cost barrier and you know,just blocking people from coming
into the country.
A lot of these country clubs.
You know the membership feesand oftentimes you have to be
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invited and you have to have asponsor to bring you into some
of these exclusive country clubs, and you know I think that's
part of the reason why.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Hands down.
It's just probably the racist,whatever I mean, as you do your
homework on it.
I mean I used to think baseballwas horrible.
I mean baseball don't havenothing on golf, man.
You know what I mean?
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Like there's people thatthere's brothers that built uh,
I think it was joe bartholomew,that, hey, he built like several
golf courses and he wasn't evenallowed to play on the golf
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courses that he actually created.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know, I mean it's ridiculous yeah, it's tough too
because it persists, becauseit's just like one of these
outpourings of already systemicracism.
So you have golf courses thatare super far from where we're
living, especially if you'realready dealing with kind of
this like de facto segregationFolks are kind of concentrated
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in certain neighborhoods.
Folks are kind of concentratedin certain neighborhoods.
I know, for example, like mycity, rochester, is considered
one of the most segregated likein the nation, and so for me to
even get to a golf course is asolid 20, 30 minute drive and
that's for a lot of people.
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Driving to a golf course is isnot close, it requires a lot of
people.
Driving to a golf course is isnot close, it requires a lot of
land.
So a lot of times it's furtherout.
And then there's also the factthat you have to get yourself
there, your equipment there, andso I think it's like already
we've been kind of pushed outand now that continues because
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they don't even really have todo the overt pushing, the
systems are just kind ofcontinuing that work for them.
So it definitely doesn't helpthat because it's not as visible
.
I don't think there's alwaysthat much interest also for us
as maybe like a basketball orfootball might.
So you think that if theaccessibility was there,
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especially for, like, a lot ofyoung people who, as as you can
see, now a lot of young peopleare venturing out into other
things outside of you know,football and basketball, like oh
yeah, the love for soccer islike it's definitely yeah, the
accessibility thing, I think assoon as you see like there's,
there are clubs with kids allover, especially those focusing
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on inner city, black kids andstuff like that, and the number
one thing they report that thesekids are into it from day one,
and so it's definitely somethingwhere even I mean this is a
lifelong sport, unlikebasketball and football, where
you kind of you know, I know howy'all knees get in the pickup
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games.
You can't keep playing after 30.
Like this is something that I'mgoing to be playing, you know,
god willing, well into my 60s,70s and 80s, and so I think it's
definitely just a visibilitything for us and accessibility.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You bring up a really good point as far as proximity,
when you look at you know theurban communities.
When I lived in Brooklyn Ilived in Washington DC, chicago
area.
You know it's slim pickings tofind a golf course in those
areas.
So it wasn't until I moved outto New Jersey, where you know
things are a little bit morespread out, where I even had
access to go to a golf courseand was exposed to it.
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So you know, I was never reallyexposed to the game of golf
growing up, you know, and, likeyou said, it wasn't really like
the cool thing to do.
You know, within the communityyou wanted to play basketball,
you wanted to play football,baseball.
Those were the popular sports.
I think Tiger Woods helped to,you know, bring the popularity
up within our community.
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But you know that, being of agood point, that definitely the
accessibility in our communitiesis not there and they do have
the first team.
So they're trying to do more toget resources to our younger
folks so that they can getaccess to the game.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think it's a big deal for kids to get involved
Like I don't remember a time inmy life before golf.
My great grandfather was agolfer, so I had little baby
clubs and I think it transformedthis idea of you know, when I'm
in a kind of white core space,I know that there might be an
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inkling that I don't belongthere, but I have never even
picked up on that vibe becauseit's never occurred to me that I
don't belong there, Like what'sgoing into it pretty much like
I've probably been golfinglonger than a lot of you white
guys who just picked it up incollege, and so it was more so
like, oh, let's see what thislittle brown girl can do.
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And so I think it's really alevel of when you teach younger
Black children golf, it's waydifferent than when you're
learning it as an adult,especially when it comes to,
like, the confidence factor ofit and just kind of boldly
stepping into things.
And you know they teach theirkids at one year old, two years
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old, to start picking up clubs,and so I think even as much as
we're kind of intervening at,you know, younger ages, I would
love to see, like toddler agegroups of black kids and it's
funny you say that because, asyou were talking, I was thinking
the same thing, like imagine ifyou caught them young and let
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them just play, how manyprodigies you might come.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You might come out of that group, uh, yeah, so that's
something that's interestinghow expensive is it?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I mean, you know what's the cost of golf, you
know, I mean like on a regularbasis, like for one person to go
play, or I guess what group ofpeople go pay.
So really.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Is it really expensive?
Well, one of the things thatI've learned is that, um,
there's different, you knowranges, and, and the nice thing
is that it's not always asexpensive as you know one might
imagine.
Um, there's different.
You know ranges, and, and thenice thing is that it's not
always as expensive as you knowone might imagine.
Um, there is an upfront call,so to get your equipment, you
know, to get a bag of clubs, um,you're looking at two to five
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hundred dollars for for like astarter set, just to get started
.
And then to your question asfar as how much does it cost to
play?
There's a lot of public courses,for example at the Shady Rest.
You can play at the Shady Restfor like $20, $20 a round and
you can play nine holes andthey'll allow you to continue to
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go around as many times as youlike.
So that's a good deal.
But then you know you get tomore of some of the more
exclusive courses.
You know they can charge you.
You know two hundred dollars,three hundred dollars, but there
are a lot of opportunitieswhere one can play for, you know
, twenty, thirty dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Let me get to that two hundred dollar level.
I'm just going back to thebasketball court.
No, no, no, I got to jump inhere level.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm gonna just go back to the basketball court.
No, no, no see, I gotta jump inhere, because the problem is is
that, like golf starts takingyour money because you get into
it, you want a cuter driver, youwant a better fit.
Uh, there's now jordan golfsneakers, so it's definitely,
you know, you can start off withthe intent of I'm gonna keep
this cheap, but I think golf hasa way of stealing a lot of
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people's hearts, and definitelytheir wallets too.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, and they made some yeah, I mean, that's
another thing the golf fashion,like the apparel.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Oh yeah, people want to get on the course and look
nice to her point.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah that's half the fun is the cute fit sneakers and
some slacks man, it's gonna goreal nice yeah, those jordan,
those jordan golf kicks are nice, oh my gosh, yes yeah, that
that's where I really was asucker, for it was like oh, it's
over for me.
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Like some really good ones theydrop frequently, um, and then I
knew for sure, with the eastside golf partnership.
Oh, when they drop those ones.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, you know, and it's funny to say that, because
there's many times I wouldactually scroll through the nike
um, you know the nike web pageand I'm looking for sneakers and
I'm like that was this hot.
And then I realized all thegolf sneakers, man, I can't do
this, you know.
So they put out some good stuff, some nice stuff, and now they
have this one tool and then Irealized, oh, they're golf
sneakers, man, I can't do this,you know what I mean.
So they put out some good stuff, some nice stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And now they have this one tool where you can take
any sneaker and you can put agolf spike, make it essentially
a golf shoe.
Wow, why are you telling methis?
Yeah, so a lot of people havefun with that.
Because you know we're intosneakers, we love our sneakers
and our fashion.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Oh, I didn't know that you know you feel good.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You got to pique that curiosity on that one.
Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I also feel like sometimes like the other thing
to know about golfers that canbe very intimidating is that
people on the outside think thateveryone who golfs is really
good, but people who actuallygolf know how many of us suck
and we're just out there havingfun, looking cute and drinking
that's another big part of it,and just having fun so I would
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definitely say a lot of times.
Going back to the fashion, it'sjust like sometimes the game
isn't there, but your fit is Alot of the fun.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Listen Tiana's into something totally different from
what you're into.
I told you, that's why.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Scott is here.
You can see that right off thebat.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean, is drinking customary?
I mean I know you said you do abarbecue out there every now
and then, but is drinkingcustomary out there?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Well, I guess you got to drive the car For the guys
that really get busy.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You got your drinks, you know.
You got your stash, your cigars.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
They have a cart person, excuse me, who will
literally bring you more beersto buy as you are playing.
So yeah, it is a big part of it, oh, okay, okay, so you can
drink and play, and then.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Michael Jordan's golf course in Florida.
I've never played there, butthey have like a drone.
You can order your drinks youralcoholic drinks and the drone
will deliver it to you whereverhole you're at.
Oh wow, but definitely drinkingis part of it too.
It's a social game.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
That's over, m David, making me sick my whole life.
Yeah, I was about to say thattoo.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Did it again, man.
So let me ask you guys yourlove for the sport.
I know, you know Tiana kind ofsaid, you know, when I was
little my grandfather had this,whatever gave it to me, what was
the first thing that attractedyou to that sport?
Uh, to the sport of golfing.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
and you know, just like, look, this is what I want
to do well, I was kind ofexposed to, really exposed to
the game, maybe like five yearsago and, um, I had to get ready
for a golf trip which was goingto be in mexico with a group of
friends and I didn't want toembarrass myself, so I started
practicing, taking, takinglessons, and as I was doing that
I was like, man, I love this,you know it's.
(24:46):
You know I played baseballgrowing up, so I've always been
involved in sports.
So it provided that you knowcompetitive outlet and to work
at something and to get betterin sports.
So, yeah, I just I just becameaddicted, really addicted to the
game.
I really love it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And you, tiana.
You said that you know yourgrandfather.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, it's really hard to pinpoint.
Like I said, I've literallyjust been around forever.
My great-grandfather was apretty like famous regional
golfer.
He won a lot of tournaments ortrophies just all over, and so I
think the first time that Ifell in love with it personally,
and not from like that familialaspect, was really the first
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time I stepped out there and itwas quiet.
You could just hear the birds.
Quiet, you could just hear thebirds.
You know it was a level of peacethat I still don't see in many
other places and that I stillcherish every time I hit that
first tee box.
And I think it's also reallygreat for people who struggle
(25:53):
with anxiety, any kind of mentalhealth thing, because it really
, I mean sports in generalforces you to get back into your
body, but golf particularly hasa slower pace.
You're out there in the freshair.
You know it's a beautifulfreaking day, Um and so for me,
I think a lot of my love forgolf is, yes, it's the sport,
(26:15):
but it's also just thesurrounding culture, the other
black golfers, I mean.
There's so much of it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Okay, well, you know what?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I never heard anybody describe it in terms of like
just mental clarity, I meanbecause every time it's always
associated, like some people saythat golf is stressful because
you're playing and stuff likethat, no, no, people who tell
you and you know what, scott,you may disagree with me here,
but people who tell you thatgolf is a mental game I don't
(26:47):
agree with, I think, most sports.
I mean, maybe you have to learnthe rules of golf, but after a
while you start to feel yourswing bodily.
I know, without looking up, ifI'm going to slice.
You know like I can hear it.
I can hear it come off the clubface, and so I think for people
who sit in their minds all day,like me, it's a great way to
(27:10):
finally channel all of that outfor a good two, three hours.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, I mean, it's a great getaway because, number
one, you're out in nature,you're on the elements, you know
just that, just breathing inthat fresh air, you know you're
out and seeing your beautifulcourses.
Oh yeah, walking the greens.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We didn't even talk about that.
How many courses have insaneviews?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, reallybeautifully laid out, and so I
think you know it is like a bestkept secret for white wealthy
people that they just have thiskind of oasis that they just go
and play on every so often.
(27:49):
Um, you know, fresh air alonecan be, can be really
rejuvenating.
So, yeah, I think for me a lotof times, even when I don't feel
like golfing, because it's likeI'm tired, it's like I hit the
range and it's just nice to hearthat metallic ping and stuff
like that so makes you feel likeyou're doing something.
Yeah, yeah, especially forpeople who are former athletes,
(28:14):
who may feel like in their adultlife they're not getting as
much like activity.
Or hey, I can't keep playingpickup games at the Y Golf is an
amazing way to still stayactive, especially if you're
walking.
I don't do that, but if you are, it's great.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's some good competition.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I mean, what do you think it takes?
I don't know if Shady Rust hasthis type of program where they
bring kids in to actually play.
Do they have anything like that, like something where, like,
the community can bring the kidsand let them get exposed?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
yes, we, that's a great question.
We actually have our shady restum golf for kids, where we
bring in kids and we do golfclinics.
We teach them the game, weteach them etiquette, um, we
provide equipment for them aswell and just exposing them at a
young age to the game.
So we definitely do that.
And um, there's anotherorganization, as I was
(29:12):
mentioning before my first tee.
They do a lot nationally, asfar as you know, reaching out to
kids and getting themacclimated with the game,
getting them started do youthink you see any type of um?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
you know the next I don't want to keep saying Tiger
Woods because there's more to itthan Tiger Woods but do you see
that next person coming up,like this kid, might have
something?
Have you ever seen that in anyof the kids coming in?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Oh yeah, I've seen some really good high school
players coming up, some you knowkids in junior high.
On Instagram, there's a lot of,uh, young golfers that have
profiles and you can see theirdevelopment, and some some, very
, very talented kids that arecoming up through the system
that I think have an opportunityto, you know, be the next tiger
(29:57):
, which we hope, yeah.
And females some really good,uh, women of color as well, that
are really, you know,impressive right now and, if
they continue on the right track, I think that they could you
know do wonders.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They have like a national ranking for golf, like
young children golfing and stufflike that.
Like what basketball have, likewhat AAU for like high school
basketball kids?
Do they have something likethat for, like you know golf,
you know young golfers like anational ranking?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yep.
So they have amateur golfevents that start at a very
young age from all the way, from, you know, as young as, like
you know, grade school, middleschool and then the majority of
that a lot of high schools havesome type of golf program in
different counties as well thatcompete.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And is there any names that pop out to you right
now, like big names, likeyoungins that's coming up right
now in New York, or you know,because it's like a basketball,
we know, you know, when you knowhigh school, from high school,
you know, you know LeBron iscoming, or you know.
I was just wondering if golfhas has it like the same type
thing.
So I was just wondering if golfhas the same type thing.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Yeah, there's a young African-American woman.
Her name is Koya Johnson andshe's a really good
up-and-coming golfer.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And is she coming out of Shady Rest?
She's in California, california.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay.
Okay, as far as golfers thatare kind of on the cusp of
potentially making it pro, a lotof the HSBCUs have really good
golf teams.
Howard has a really good golfteam.
Steph Curry has funded.
Florida A&M has a really goodgolf team.
North Carolina A&T has a goodgolf team.
(31:37):
So some of those collegiategolf players have, I think, an
opportunity to play at theprofessional level.
They're right on the cusp.
They're very good.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Do any of you aspire to play at the professional
level one day?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I would love to.
It's just too late in the game.
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You can do the senior tour.
I just told my dad that heshould consider the senior tour.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Wow, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, did I catch that?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
No, it's the thing you don't understand.
It sounds like it's me, butgolfers know that it's actually
a good thing.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
You just told this man he can play the seniors tour
.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
The seniors tour starts early, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I thought it was a shot too.
I thought she was taking a shot, no.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
You want to sit down and take that?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Scott, it was good.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I guess I can start preparing for it in the future,
but what about you?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
T what you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
no, I did a tournament with.
I went to Shady Rest.
Actually, this is how I learned, this is how this whole
conversation started.
We were randomly emailing.
I'm like wait, sh wait, shadyRest.
I was just there.
I cannot stress enough.
I am not a tournament scoringkind of person.
(32:55):
Me and my group definitely justended up hanging out chatting
the whole time.
Hanging out chatting the wholetime.
So definitely no LPGAaspirations over here.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
My dad said he would caddy for me but um, I'm good, I
just want to be cute on thegolf course, I think.
I think I think that anybody'slistening to this.
We kind of figured that out awhile ago.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
You just want to wear the outfit and everyone like my
, my family is like well, tiana,you should take it seriously,
like you've been playing for solong.
But um, I think there's also alevel of when you play it so
long and you know you gotforever to play it.
There were whole years where Ijust didn't even think about
golf and then I picked up myclubs and I played again.
(33:43):
So I don't think I have what ittakes consistency-wise, like
I'm a fair weather golfer, ifit's 50 degrees I don't want to
play okay, okay, it's cold.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
You're not as dedicated as you know me not in
that sense.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm definitely.
Hey, let's just go to thesimulator.
Yeah, definitely the otherbenefits that golf affords, but
I don't think I need to goprofessional, you don't need to
go professional.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
All right, Okay, Listen again.
You're talking to people thatI'm only limited to the driving
range and putt-putt, oh.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I'm sorry, I got to add this in when I did have a
video game system andoccasionally you throw the golf
joint on man.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Those are pretty pretty relaxing, you know I mean
, and you, know what I feel likethey teach you a lot about golf
in terms of the rhythm of theswing.
So if you play a lot of golfvideo games, you may be
surprised to find that you'reactually not bad playing.
Um, but, like, my dad is superserious as a golfer.
He's always enteringtournaments, always winning
money, and so I feel like, byvirtue of playing with him, I
(34:51):
I'm pretty good um, but likethat desire is just not there
yeah, those pro players, they'reon a totally different level.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I mean, they're practicing six, eight hours a
day.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I wish I had that time to do that, yeah, if you
had the time to do that I thinkthere's also a level of
geography that plays a role.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You know, a lot of golfers know this, but if you're
someone who lives in California, Texas, Florida, it's a lot
easier to go pro than if you'refrom freaking New York, New
Jersey.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
So that does matter too.
Yeah, yeah, being able to playyou around is definitely an
advantage.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Exactly, I want to be 100.
All of you guys are much betterthan me.
I think you only did miniaturegolf like three times, and that
was only just to get the check Iwas late.
Man, that was a cheap date didyou?
Speaker 4 (35:44):
uh, a lot of people on a date.
They'll do the top golf.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Top golf.
Yeah, I hear people talk aboutit.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's a big thing nowadays.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Never been in it, but I've heard a lot about it.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
You've never been to top golf.
No, that's a good spot becauseyou can watch TV.
You got your own little station.
You're hitting golf balls.
It's like being on the drivingrange At the same time time you
had a restaurant type vibe, it'snice I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1 (36:07):
try that I do think golf is seeing, um, just such a
renaissance right now where itis becoming the sport to do.
You know, I always joke on myinstagram that all the cute
girls are golfing now, um, butit goes further than that.
You know.
There are athletes who areretiring who can still pick it
up, and I think Steph was kindof, you know, let's go.
(36:28):
Michael Jordan was really thefirst kind of in that way.
But then you start to reallysee it pick up with Steph and
he's making holy moly and reallystepping into that golf game.
So it's not just an offseasonthing, golf game, so it's not
just an off season thing, and soI I don't know.
(36:49):
I think it'll be reallyinteresting to see how it grows,
the fashion around it, eastsidegolf, and how big they've
gotten.
But I do think if we're notcareful we will get left behind
in that wave.
So I am really trying to bringmy friends along, bring folks
along, even if you're justplaying socially.
There's just so much to begained from it.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
So yeah, and I think I think you know, going back to
the beginning of thisconversation, the history, like
knowing the history of it, mightspark a lot of interest in
people, because all you reallyneed is that one electrifying
golf light tiger was good, buthe was boring, you know.
I mean, you need somebodythat's like we need one from
(37:30):
harlem yeah, somebody bring someflash to the game or something
Speaker 4 (37:34):
like that.
Yes, yes, there was a dude outthere, you got him all right,
you need to look up uh calete.
Yeah, he was like a realbrother-brother, you know he had
the Kangol hat.
Yeah, I've seen the video.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
We like to brag, he had that swagger about him he
played in Rochester for quite awhile, did he really?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, I'm looking at the brother man.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, man we need like an Allen Iverson goal.
That's what we need.
Really tear the sport up.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, somebody that's going to break it down and then
that way, once that barrier isbroken.
Then it's like yeah, I want tobe like this guy, you know this
young lady.
So yeah, so we learned a lottoday, folks.
We learned that Tiana justlikes to wear the outfits and
drink on the course.
Scott's the real professionalhere.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Okay, wait Before people take it away.
But Tiana can hit well.
That matters too.
I guess Tiana has a really longdrive.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I mean if she say so.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I mean, I don't the next time we record this is
going to be in person at thecourse.
We'll do it on location, can I?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
give a play by play.
I mean, I don't know all thegolf terminology, but I can make
it up as I go.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I know, when somebody's messing up, she hit a
tree.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I'm telling you yeah, we got to make that happen.
We got to make that.
I would love to go live fromShady Rest.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We would love to You're welcome anytime.
We would love to have you outthere's like a tournament.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You should go next June-ish probably.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, next June we're having a tournament.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Do?
I got to wear the fancy golfoutfit to get on there.
Let me tell you you ain't gotto tell me.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I'm coming with it, I'm going to have the nicest
outfit you ever want to see.
I'm going to have a beautifuloutfit.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
I'm going to send you all some free Shady Rest swag.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
That's what's up.
Man, the real professional here, love it man?
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
We'll look for that.
Let me ask you guys, before welet you go, favorite golf movie.
What's your favorite golf movie?
Happy?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Gilmore, happy Gilmore.
All right, okay, guys before welet you go.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Favorite golf movie.
What's your favorite golf?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
movie.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Alright, what you got for us, Scott, Don't you say
Bagger Vance brother.
Do not say Bagger Vance brother.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm hanging up if you say Bagger Vance.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Oh no, Actually there's a movie called Playing
Through and it's about thisblack woman golfer.
It's based upon a true story ofthis woman in the 19, I want to
say the 1960s and herchallenges that she faced as far
as competing professionally asa black woman golfer.
It's called Playing Through, sodefinitely check that out.
(40:38):
That's probably the best golfmovie that I've seen because it
has a history standpoint.
That movie was based upon AnnGregory.
She was the first woman ofcolor to play in the USGA.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
You got to do your homework on the USGA.
It's a lot of good historyabout the USGA.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Listen, folks.
February is coming up, so addthis on to your list of stuff.
They're not going to teach youin school anyway Fading out
black history in school,Especially now.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
It's just very well done and it's an independent
film.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, I was going to say it's big right now, just
like if you guys want to followthe team behind it.
I know they did a couple ofdifferent festivals with the
film as well.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yes, and here my lowbrow behind was about to say
Caddyshack.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Okay, but I said Happy Gilmore.
And then he came through withthis.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, so I'm like see me shrinking.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Caddyshack was a classic.
I like two.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
What you like.
Caddyshack too.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I like one or two.
Wasn't it two with Jackie Mason, or something?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, nah, it wasn't like the original one man.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
It's not better than the original Wizard, but it is
what it is, yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
My man, Shooter McGatty.
Y'all know they're about tomake a second one of that right.
Are they yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Those are classic, those are classic.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
There's got to be a third.
There's got to be a third,there's two, there's two.
Caddyshack.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
No, not Caddyshack Happy.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Gilmore yeah, yeah, happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
No, they should never touch Caddyshack again.
Please let the people knowwhere they can reach you.
We'll start with you, scott theprofessional Professional
golfer.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
We would love to welcome everybody to come join
us at the Shady Rest Golf Clublocated in the Scotch Plains,
and then also you can check usout at wwwshadyrestgolfclubcom
and you'll see the website ofthe actual club members and you
can join and we would love tohave you.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
That's good, miss Tiana, yeah this is not like my
job, so I don't have a websiteto point you to no, but tell
them what you're doing.
Yeah, I am.
I'm going to ask you about thefashion tips.
Yeah, you know what, though, Iam?
going to get some good stuff tomake it more accessible, to kind
of dispel those fears thatpeople have.
(43:10):
So a lot of folks have beenjust DMing me saying, hey, you
really encouraged me to get outthere.
So if you ever just needsomeone to kind of say hey, I'm
a little nervous, I don't knowwhat I should be looking for,
anything like that I amdefinitely that person to make
you feel a little bit morewelcome on the golf course.
So you can just find me onInstagram, dm me.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, all right, and also tell them about the
management.
You know what I mean?
Yeah Well, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yes, I do run a PR firm.
We specialize in helping folkswho are transforming their
industry in some way, soconnecting them with their
audiences, to actually make surethat that legislation passes,
those systems they're creatingactually take off.
So, yeah, that's.
This is kind of the fun way tomeet those kinds of big game
(43:57):
changers, and so, yeah, that'swhy I always tell people get
into golf.
You never know who you're goingto meet.
Look at me and stop.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
How about it?
You know, I mean, it's a goodplace to discuss, you know,
expanding your brand, you knowyeah, yeah so business it's
business.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
The networking piece is so key with the game of golf.
Like the majority of thefriends that I've met since I
moved out in new jersey, a lotof them met through playing the
game of golf and it'll take youplaces you never thought you
know you would.
You would imagine you know.
Anytime you travel to adifferent city or a different
country, you can check out adifferent golf course.
It's a different world and Iwant more of our people to get
(44:35):
involved in the game and enjoyit and embrace it and love it
like we do, and they will loveit.
And the majority of the timewhen we take on something as a
people, we do it right.
We do it right, we do it well.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, and that's why they try to put them barriers up
.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
How's the smack talking down there man?
Does it get crazy?
Does it go off like it?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's a lot of junk talking.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
See, I'm like you missed your putt and I'm like,
oh, if only the hole was rightthere.
So I don't understand the smacktalking part of it.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Actually, I would have took that as slick talk
right there.
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I would have took that personally.
You don't know where it's at,okay, okay, hold it a little
closer.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Great swinging so close yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Y'all are funny.
Before we go, I'm going to justtell you this.
I don't know how accessiblegolf carts are, but for some
reason in my neighborhood I seelike a whole family riding
around on one.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Just in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, like I'm walking my dog, and this is like
twice I've seen it.
The kids are hanging out likethe Flintstones.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's going to tip over.
I'm like where did?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
you get a golf cart.
It's funny you say that.
I haven't seen more of that.
People like getting there ongolf courts, pimping them out,
putting rims on them, speakerson them yeah but is it a city
street?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Pimping them out, putting rims on them, speakers
on them, yeah, but this is thecity streets.
This is not the thing to do.
If you can do that, you can geta car.
So I'd rather see you in a hoopthan in a golf cart.
That's me, alright, listen, wethank y'all for real.
This was a very different talkBecause, like I said, we didn't
know anything about golf.
But this is what it's about.
We learn from each other, allright.
(46:23):
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Give me a moment with you, friend.
I've never been up to mythoughts before.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome to the only One, mike Podcast Roger, rob,
brooklyn, dre.
We got a few people in thebuilding tonight.
We're going to talk some blackgolf y'all, something that maybe
a lot of y'all didn't knowabout that.
You know our people do golfoutside of Tiger Woods, so
joining us we have Scott Parisand Tiana Manon of Manning
Management.
How you doing.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Good evening, good evening, great to be on the show
.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm ready.
I'm ready for some black golf.
You ready for some black golf?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let's go.
We're going to talk black golfbecause I'm going to be honest,
full disclosure.
I don't play golf, I playminiature golf.
That's about the extent of mygolf.
Oh, I'm sorry, in the drivingrange.
Okay Listen, I belt out a fewat the driving range.
I think I don't go enough.
Hey, that's a good start.
It's a good start, yeah.
So I mean, I don't know if thepatience level is there for me
(01:09):
to do the.
What is it like?
Nine 18 holes?
I don't know how many is itnormally?
Educate us.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You can do nine, you can do 18.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So you think I would her laughing, do you think
that's what?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
that's me all the time.
I you know what let's do nineand then get some food, and then
maybe we can think about thatback nine.
But I'm definitely someone.
I'm stopping at the clubhouse,we're drinking, we're getting,
we're ordering some food, andthen we we think about it, but
by then it's been another houror two.
So I'm definitely a little bit.
(01:46):
I think scott is here tobalance me out because I'm a
little bit more of like a socialfun golfer kind of thing.
You know he brings a little bitmore of a serious skill aspect
so let me, let me touch on thisreal quick, scott.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So when you say social golfer, like are you,
like you got music in the backof that cart and all that going
on.
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, that's what makes the game fun.
It's really a social aspect.
You know you bring your music,you got your playlist.
You're with your friends.
You know you had a social event.
It's all about connection.
You're out there on the course.
It's just you, the course.
You know your people and yourmusic.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I and you're out there on the course.
It's just you, the course.
You know your people and yourmusic.
I was actually just joking.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You enlightened me on something I didn't even know
that you can do that, See therewe go.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That's like a barbecue there.
Yeah, I played in a couple oftournaments this year and not
only did they have a barbecue onthe course, but they had a DJ
in the middle of the golf course.
That was getting busy.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So how are?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
you talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Let me ask you a question Did you really upset
the white folks, man?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, some people make it like a funny look
, but you know one of the things, the couple of events that I've
been to, they've been primarilyall black golfers, so it's
really been our people that areout there.
So you feel comfortable and youknow it's just everybody
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getting in and enjoying the gameof golf and bringing our
culture to it as well too, andexpanding the game and being
ourselves.
I think that's the one thing.
In the beginning it is a littlebit intimidating when I first
started playing golf because youknow, you have like this
perception of how it is andunfortunately, the game has been
closed off to blacks and peopleof color.
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Throughout the course of historyand I think now you know,
throughout the course of time,with Tiger Woods and a lot of
the other some of the othergolfers that have made it more
mainstream, it's definitelyexposed the game and made it
more popular within ourcommunity.
And then also you see a lot ofprofessional athletes like
basketball players and footballplayers.
You then also you see a lot ofprofessional athletes like
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basketball players and footballplayers.
You know you look at MichaelJordan and Steph Curry.
They're doing a lot to, youknow, expose people to the game
of golf and it's definitelygrowing and it's a lot of fun.
But, yes, it was intimidatingin the beginning.
But once you start to learnmore about the golf etiquette,
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you learn more about the rules.
It's a lot of fun.
It's great exposure.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Is there a lot of racism in it now?
I mean, I'm quite sure it's notlike it was in the past.
But you know, do you guys feeluncomfortable with certain golf
courses and things like that?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yes, I have felt a little bit uncomfortable at more
some of the uh, the privatecourses, like I've been uh
invited to a couple of privatecountry clubs and the vibe there
.
You know you're sometimes oftenthe only one on the course and
so that sometimes can be alittle unsettling, a little
uncomfortable and you do getlooks, but oftentimes people are
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receptive and they're welcomingand they want to grow the game
too within these differentmarkets as well too.
So so some people are open andyou know I haven't faced a lot
of.
You know I've never had anyracist comments or anything of
that nature, just more so youmaybe get some funny looks and
things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And it's a good thing that you you know, you
mentioned that, because we asAfrican-Americans have a deep
rooted history in golf and a lotof people don't discuss that
portion of history.
So, speaking of, we're talkingabout Shady Rest Country Club in
Scotts Plains, new Jersey,which actually has a lot of
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black history entrenched in it,and this is why we want to have
you guys on to discuss this.
Of course we can talk about,you know how you play the game,
but you know, I mean we want todiscuss the history of it as
well.
So for those that don't know,it was built in the mid 1700s,
originally a farmhouse, and wasconverted into a tavern, and
then the Westfield Country Cluband in 1921, the Progressive
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Realty Company Incorporated,which was a group of black
investors, purchased WestfieldCountry Club and established the
Shady Rust Country Club and itwas for the leisure of a lot of
African Americans.
During that time they also had alot of Black performers come
through, like Ella Fitzgerald,duke Ellington, so on and so
forth, we can name them all.
But I believe WEB Du Boisplayed there as well and it was
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like considered like a Blackoasis.
People would travel from Harlem.
Who worked at the Cotton Clubin Harlem couldn't enjoy the
Cotton Club because they werejust workers and after that was
over they would travel all theway to Scotch Plains, new Jersey
, just to go to Shady Rest andsee the performers play the game
had a lot of famous people comeout of there, and what was the
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gentleman's name?
It was John help me out.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yes, John Shippen Jr.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
John Shippen Jr, yep, who actually has a tournament
named after him.
If I'm correct, that's correct,I do my homework.
Folks applaud that.
All right.
So now if you want to expound alittle bit more on the Shady
Rust Country Club and itscontribution to the black
community, that's almost like anunsung history.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, I mean, the Shady Rest Country Club is truly
a landmark.
It's a national landmark aswell too.
Founded in 1921, as youmentioned, the first owned black
country club in America.
And, um, you know also JohnShippen Jr, who was the golf pro
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who oversaw the grounds and theupkeeping of the uh of the golf
club portion.
Golf course, um, as you know,was the first not only uh
African-American, uhprofessional golfer, but he's
actually the first American-borngolfer to play in the US Open.
So not only is it Black history, but it's also American history
(08:11):
.
And, to your point, the ShadyRest Country Club was truly a
mecca.
We had several different, youknow, high-caliber artists of
that time that would come andperform there.
At the time when they firstopened up, they had over 200
members and it really it's alsoin the Green Book too.
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So it was one of thoselocations in the northeast that
you know middle class, upperclass black people could come
and feel comfortable to, youknow partake in playing golf.
It also had a tennis, it alsohad tennis courses and just a
really remarkable history thatwe have, and glad that they were
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able to preserve that and makeit a National Registry landmark
location.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
And, if I can, I just want to do it on the justice
that they deserve.
It was Ella Fitzgerald, dukeEllington, count Basie, billie
Holiday, sarah Vaughn, louisArmstrong and Cab Calloway,
amongst others, that frequentthat club.
So, again, it's one of thosethings that's history but just
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not spoken about.
There's something you got todig deep into to actually find
it.
Did you guys have to find that?
You needed to do that basedupon your love for the sport
that made you, you know, lookdeeper into it yeah, well for me
how I stumbled upon the shadyrest country club in the history
.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Um, the course had been taken over by the town of
scotch scotch plains and theyrenamed the course uh, scotch
hills country club?
yeah, golf course, and so I wasjust going there because it was
only 20 course Scotch Hills GolfCourse and so I was just going
there, because it was only 20minutes from my house, just to
play golf.
I had no idea about the historyand there was a gentleman by
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the name of Lamont who was fromScotch Plains and who was
influential as far as preservingthe shady rest.
He kind of ran me down.
He was like man, we're lookingfor black golfers to come here
and participate and be who wasinfluential as far as preserving
the Shady Rest.
He kind of ran me down.
He was like man, we're lookingfor black golfers to come here
and participate and be part of aclub that we're trying to grow,
and he was sharing with me alot of the history and the
museum.
(10:16):
The museum is amazing.
Anybody that has an opportunityto take a look at the Shady
Rest Golf actual pro shop andcountry club Shady Rest Golf
actual pro shop and country club.
It's still in existence, theexact same building that was
constructed in 1921.
People can go see the museumand they have John Shippen
memorabilia and a lot of thepictures of the artists that you
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just mentioned performing atthe Shady Rest.
It's truly remarkable.
So I just kind of stumbled uponit and learned more about it
and became part of the golf clubthat they have to kind of keep
the history going and promotingthe game.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, I remember seeing this report on PIX11 some
time ago and it was like themorning show.
They were doing a piece aboutthe golf course.
They said in the actual museumthat john shipping jr has like a
club, a golf club that has hisface like embroidered in on it,
like I believe did he make clubsas well, if I'm correct.
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I could be wrong, but I believe.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, he did make clubs they.
They still have one of hisputters that's, uh, in the in
the um museum and they also havea portrait that was painted of
him.
The artist has passed away, buta lot of really good stuff in
that museum.
Also, as far as, like historyof golf, the golf tee was
invented by a black man, so thathistory is embraced and
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showcased in the museum at theShady Rest George Franklin or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I believe his name is , yeah, exactly, george Franklin
.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
So do you believe like and it's just a question to
the court to say that thismight be something like how a
lot of sports might just beingrained in our DNA, that we
don't take advantage of thisBecause all we know is like well
, basketball, football, baseballat one point, and then it's
like golf.
Why do you think we were cutout that particular part of
history?
(12:09):
I know like golf has alwaysbeen historically quote unquote
like a white elitist sport, youknow, not knowing that, even
though we had kind of like ourblack elites that were playing
it as well, but we had a spot init.
So why do you think that waskind of like pushed to the
corner until Tiger Woods madethe scene, or something like
that for our generation?
Why do you believe that was?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I believe it was strategic.
You know, when you think aboutgolf courses in the game of golf
, a lot of it is businessrelated to a lot of your top.
You know business deals aredone on a golf course
Politically.
You know you see a lot ofpoliticians, a lot of your top.
You know business deals aredone on the golf course
Politically.
You know you see a lot ofpoliticians, a lot of
influential people that make keydecisions in the community.
(12:53):
A lot of that um you know thoseresources and things of that
nature.
So I think that was part of it.
And then, just um, you know thecost of it as well too.
(13:16):
I think that was anotherbarrier that was um implemented
to help, unfortunately, to blockmore black people, people of
color black people specifically,from playing the game of golf.
The cost barrier and you know,just blocking people from coming
into the country.
A lot of these country clubs.
You know the membership feesand oftentimes you have to be
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invited and you have to have asponsor to bring you into some
of these exclusive country clubs, and you know I think that's
part of the reason why.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Hands down.
It's just probably the racist,whatever I mean, as you do your
homework on it.
I mean I used to think baseballwas horrible.
I mean baseball don't havenothing on golf, man.
You know what I mean?
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Like there's people thatthere's brothers that built uh,
I think it was joe bartholomew,that, hey, he built like several
golf courses and he wasn't evenallowed to play on the golf
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courses that he actually created.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know, I mean it's ridiculous yeah, it's tough too
because it persists, becauseit's just like one of these
outpourings of already systemicracism.
So you have golf courses thatare super far from where we're
living, especially if you'realready dealing with kind of
this like de facto segregationFolks are kind of concentrated
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in certain neighborhoods.
Folks are kind of concentratedin certain neighborhoods.
I know, for example, like mycity, rochester, is considered
one of the most segregated likein the nation, and so for me to
even get to a golf course is asolid 20, 30 minute drive and
that's for a lot of people.
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Driving to a golf course is isnot close, it requires a lot of
people.
Driving to a golf course is isnot close, it requires a lot of
land.
So a lot of times it's furtherout.
And then there's also the factthat you have to get yourself
there, your equipment there, andso I think it's like already
we've been kind of pushed outand now that continues because
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they don't even really have todo the overt pushing, the
systems are just kind ofcontinuing that work for them.
So it definitely doesn't helpthat because it's not as visible
.
I don't think there's alwaysthat much interest also for us
as maybe like a basketball orfootball might.
So you think that if theaccessibility was there,
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especially for, like, a lot ofyoung people who, as as you can
see, now a lot of young peopleare venturing out into other
things outside of you know,football and basketball, like oh
yeah, the love for soccer islike it's definitely yeah, the
accessibility thing, I think assoon as you see like there's,
there are clubs with kids allover, especially those focusing
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on inner city, black kids andstuff like that, and the number
one thing they report that thesekids are into it from day one,
and so it's definitely somethingwhere even I mean this is a
lifelong sport, unlikebasketball and football, where
you kind of you know, I know howy'all knees get in the pickup
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games.
You can't keep playing after 30.
Like this is something that I'mgoing to be playing, you know,
god willing, well into my 60s,70s and 80s, and so I think it's
definitely just a visibilitything for us and accessibility.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You bring up a really good point as far as proximity,
when you look at you know theurban communities.
When I lived in Brooklyn Ilived in Washington DC, chicago
area.
You know it's slim pickings tofind a golf course in those
areas.
So it wasn't until I moved outto New Jersey, where you know
things are a little bit morespread out, where I even had
access to go to a golf courseand was exposed to it.
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So you know, I was never reallyexposed to the game of golf
growing up, you know, and, likeyou said, it wasn't really like
the cool thing to do.
You know, within the communityyou wanted to play basketball,
you wanted to play football,baseball.
Those were the popular sports.
I think Tiger Woods helped to,you know, bring the popularity
up within our community.
(17:25):
But you know that, being of agood point, that definitely the
accessibility in our communitiesis not there and they do have
the first team.
So they're trying to do more toget resources to our younger
folks so that they can getaccess to the game.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think it's a big deal for kids to get involved
Like I don't remember a time inmy life before golf.
My great grandfather was agolfer, so I had little baby
clubs and I think it transformedthis idea of you know, when I'm
in a kind of white core space,I know that there might be an
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inkling that I don't belongthere, but I have never even
picked up on that vibe becauseit's never occurred to me that I
don't belong there, Like what'sgoing into it pretty much like
I've probably been golfinglonger than a lot of you white
guys who just picked it up incollege, and so it was more so
like, oh, let's see what thislittle brown girl can do.
(18:29):
And so I think it's really alevel of when you teach younger
Black children golf, it's waydifferent than when you're
learning it as an adult,especially when it comes to,
like, the confidence factor ofit and just kind of boldly
stepping into things.
And you know they teach theirkids at one year old, two years
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old, to start picking up clubs,and so I think even as much as
we're kind of intervening at,you know, younger ages, I would
love to see, like toddler agegroups of black kids and it's
funny you say that because, asyou were talking, I was thinking
the same thing, like imagine ifyou caught them young and let
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them just play, how manyprodigies you might come.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You might come out of that group, uh, yeah, so that's
something that's interestinghow expensive is it?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I mean, you know what's the cost of golf, you
know, I mean like on a regularbasis, like for one person to go
play, or I guess what group ofpeople go pay.
So really.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Is it really expensive?
Well, one of the things thatI've learned is that, um,
there's different, you knowranges, and, and the nice thing
is that it's not always asexpensive as you know one might
imagine.
Um, there's different.
You know ranges, and, and thenice thing is that it's not
always as expensive as you knowone might imagine.
Um, there is an upfront call,so to get your equipment, you
know, to get a bag of clubs, um,you're looking at two to five
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hundred dollars for for like astarter set, just to get started
.
And then to your question asfar as how much does it cost to
play?
There's a lot of public courses,for example at the Shady Rest.
You can play at the Shady Restfor like $20, $20 a round and
you can play nine holes andthey'll allow you to continue to
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go around as many times as youlike.
So that's a good deal.
But then you know you get tomore of some of the more
exclusive courses.
You know they can charge you.
You know two hundred dollars,three hundred dollars, but there
are a lot of opportunitieswhere one can play for, you know
, twenty, thirty dollars.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Let me get to that two hundred dollar level.
I'm just going back to thebasketball court.
No, no, no, I got to jump inhere level.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm gonna just go back to the basketball court.
No, no, no see, I gotta jump inhere, because the problem is is
that, like golf starts takingyour money because you get into
it, you want a cuter driver, youwant a better fit.
Uh, there's now jordan golfsneakers, so it's definitely,
you know, you can start off withthe intent of I'm gonna keep
this cheap, but I think golf hasa way of stealing a lot of
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people's hearts, and definitelytheir wallets too.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, and they made some yeah, I mean, that's
another thing the golf fashion,like the apparel.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Oh yeah, people want to get on the course and look
nice to her point.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah that's half the fun is the cute fit sneakers and
some slacks man, it's gonna goreal nice yeah, those jordan,
those jordan golf kicks are nice, oh my gosh, yes yeah, that
that's where I really was asucker, for it was like oh, it's
over for me.
(21:33):
Like some really good ones theydrop frequently, um, and then I
knew for sure, with the eastside golf partnership.
Oh, when they drop those ones.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, you know, and it's funny to say that, because
there's many times I wouldactually scroll through the nike
um, you know the nike web pageand I'm looking for sneakers and
I'm like that was this hot.
And then I realized all thegolf sneakers, man, I can't do
this, you know.
So they put out some good stuff, some nice stuff, and now they
have this one tool and then Irealized, oh, they're golf
sneakers, man, I can't do this,you know what I mean.
So they put out some good stuff, some nice stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And now they have this one tool where you can take
any sneaker and you can put agolf spike, make it essentially
a golf shoe.
Wow, why are you telling methis?
Yeah, so a lot of people havefun with that.
Because you know we're intosneakers, we love our sneakers
and our fashion.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Oh, I didn't know that you know you feel good.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You got to pique that curiosity on that one.
Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I also feel like sometimes like the other thing
to know about golfers that canbe very intimidating is that
people on the outside think thateveryone who golfs is really
good, but people who actuallygolf know how many of us suck
and we're just out there havingfun, looking cute and drinking
that's another big part of it,and just having fun so I would
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definitely say a lot of times.
Going back to the fashion, it'sjust like sometimes the game
isn't there, but your fit is Alot of the fun.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Listen Tiana's into something totally different from
what you're into.
I told you, that's why.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Scott is here.
You can see that right off thebat.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean, is drinking customary?
I mean I know you said you do abarbecue out there every now
and then, but is drinkingcustomary out there?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Well, I guess you got to drive the car For the guys
that really get busy.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You got your drinks, you know.
You got your stash, your cigars.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
They have a cart person, excuse me, who will
literally bring you more beersto buy as you are playing.
So yeah, it is a big part of it, oh, okay, okay, so you can
drink and play, and then.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Michael Jordan's golf course in Florida.
I've never played there, butthey have like a drone.
You can order your drinks youralcoholic drinks and the drone
will deliver it to you whereverhole you're at.
Oh wow, but definitely drinkingis part of it too.
It's a social game.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
That's over, m David, making me sick my whole life.
Yeah, I was about to say thattoo.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Did it again, man.
So let me ask you guys yourlove for the sport.
I know, you know Tiana kind ofsaid, you know, when I was
little my grandfather had this,whatever gave it to me, what was
the first thing that attractedyou to that sport?
Uh, to the sport of golfing.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
and you know, just like, look, this is what I want
to do well, I was kind ofexposed to, really exposed to
the game, maybe like five yearsago and, um, I had to get ready
for a golf trip which was goingto be in mexico with a group of
friends and I didn't want toembarrass myself, so I started
practicing, taking, takinglessons, and as I was doing that
I was like, man, I love this,you know it's.
(24:46):
You know I played baseballgrowing up, so I've always been
involved in sports.
So it provided that you knowcompetitive outlet and to work
at something and to get betterin sports.
So, yeah, I just I just becameaddicted, really addicted to the
game.
I really love it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And you, tiana.
You said that you know yourgrandfather.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, it's really hard to pinpoint.
Like I said, I've literallyjust been around forever.
My great-grandfather was apretty like famous regional
golfer.
He won a lot of tournaments ortrophies just all over, and so I
think the first time that Ifell in love with it personally,
and not from like that familialaspect, was really the first
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time I stepped out there and itwas quiet.
You could just hear the birds.
Quiet, you could just hear thebirds.
You know it was a level of peacethat I still don't see in many
other places and that I stillcherish every time I hit that
first tee box.
And I think it's also reallygreat for people who struggle
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with anxiety, any kind of mentalhealth thing, because it really
, I mean sports in generalforces you to get back into your
body, but golf particularly hasa slower pace.
You're out there in the freshair.
You know it's a beautifulfreaking day, Um and so for me,
I think a lot of my love forgolf is, yes, it's the sport,
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but it's also just thesurrounding culture, the other
black golfers, I mean.
There's so much of it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Okay, well, you know what?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I never heard anybody describe it in terms of like
just mental clarity, I meanbecause every time it's always
associated, like some people saythat golf is stressful because
you're playing and stuff likethat, no, no, people who tell
you and you know what, scott,you may disagree with me here,
but people who tell you thatgolf is a mental game I don't
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agree with, I think, most sports.
I mean, maybe you have to learnthe rules of golf, but after a
while you start to feel yourswing bodily.
I know, without looking up, ifI'm going to slice.
You know like I can hear it.
I can hear it come off the clubface, and so I think for people
who sit in their minds all day,like me, it's a great way to
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finally channel all of that outfor a good two, three hours.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, I mean, it's a great getaway because, number
one, you're out in nature,you're on the elements, you know
just that, just breathing inthat fresh air, you know you're
out and seeing your beautifulcourses.
Oh yeah, walking the greens.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We didn't even talk about that.
How many courses have insaneviews?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, reallybeautifully laid out, and so I
think you know it is like a bestkept secret for white wealthy
people that they just have thiskind of oasis that they just go
and play on every so often.
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Um, you know, fresh air alonecan be, can be really
rejuvenating.
So, yeah, I think for me a lotof times, even when I don't feel
like golfing, because it's likeI'm tired, it's like I hit the
range and it's just nice to hearthat metallic ping and stuff
like that so makes you feel likeyou're doing something.
Yeah, yeah, especially forpeople who are former athletes,
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who may feel like in their adultlife they're not getting as
much like activity.
Or hey, I can't keep playingpickup games at the Y Golf is an
amazing way to still stayactive, especially if you're
walking.
I don't do that, but if you are, it's great.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's some good competition.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I mean, what do you think it takes?
I don't know if Shady Rust hasthis type of program where they
bring kids in to actually play.
Do they have anything like that, like something where, like,
the community can bring the kidsand let them get exposed?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
yes, we, that's a great question.
We actually have our shady restum golf for kids, where we
bring in kids and we do golfclinics.
We teach them the game, weteach them etiquette, um, we
provide equipment for them aswell and just exposing them at a
young age to the game.
So we definitely do that.
And um, there's anotherorganization, as I was
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mentioning before my first tee.
They do a lot nationally, asfar as you know, reaching out to
kids and getting themacclimated with the game,
getting them started do youthink you see any type of um?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
you know the next I don't want to keep saying Tiger
Woods because there's more to itthan Tiger Woods but do you see
that next person coming up,like this kid, might have
something?
Have you ever seen that in anyof the kids coming in?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Oh yeah, I've seen some really good high school
players coming up, some you knowkids in junior high.
On Instagram, there's a lot of,uh, young golfers that have
profiles and you can see theirdevelopment, and some some, very
, very talented kids that arecoming up through the system
that I think have an opportunityto, you know, be the next tiger
(29:57):
, which we hope, yeah.
And females some really good,uh, women of color as well, that
are really, you know,impressive right now and, if
they continue on the right track, I think that they could you
know do wonders.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
They have like a national ranking for golf, like
young children golfing and stufflike that.
Like what basketball have, likewhat AAU for like high school
basketball kids?
Do they have something likethat for, like you know golf,
you know young golfers like anational ranking?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yep.
So they have amateur golfevents that start at a very
young age from all the way, from, you know, as young as, like
you know, grade school, middleschool and then the majority of
that a lot of high schools havesome type of golf program in
different counties as well thatcompete.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And is there any names that pop out to you right
now, like big names, likeyoungins that's coming up right
now in New York, or you know,because it's like a basketball,
we know, you know, when you knowhigh school, from high school,
you know, you know LeBron iscoming, or you know.
I was just wondering if golfhas has it like the same type
thing.
So I was just wondering if golfhas the same type thing.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Yeah, there's a young African-American woman.
Her name is Koya Johnson andshe's a really good
up-and-coming golfer.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And is she coming out of Shady Rest?
She's in California, california.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay.
Okay, as far as golfers thatare kind of on the cusp of
potentially making it pro, a lotof the HSBCUs have really good
golf teams.
Howard has a really good golfteam.
Steph Curry has funded.
Florida A&M has a really goodgolf team.
North Carolina A&T has a goodgolf team.
(31:37):
So some of those collegiategolf players have, I think, an
opportunity to play at theprofessional level.
They're right on the cusp.
They're very good.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Do any of you aspire to play at the professional
level one day?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I would love to.
It's just too late in the game.
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You can do the senior tour.
I just told my dad that heshould consider the senior tour.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Wow, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, did I catch that?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
No, it's the thing you don't understand.
It sounds like it's me, butgolfers know that it's actually
a good thing.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
You just told this man he can play the seniors tour
.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
The seniors tour starts early, okay.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I thought it was a shot too.
I thought she was taking a shot, no.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
You want to sit down and take that?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Scott, it was good.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I guess I can start preparing for it in the future,
but what about you?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
T what you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
no, I did a tournament with.
I went to Shady Rest.
Actually, this is how I learned, this is how this whole
conversation started.
We were randomly emailing.
I'm like wait, sh wait, shadyRest.
I was just there.
I cannot stress enough.
I am not a tournament scoringkind of person.
(32:55):
Me and my group definitely justended up hanging out chatting
the whole time.
Hanging out chatting the wholetime.
So definitely no LPGAaspirations over here.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
My dad said he would caddy for me but um, I'm good, I
just want to be cute on thegolf course, I think.
I think I think that anybody'slistening to this.
We kind of figured that out awhile ago.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
You just want to wear the outfit and everyone like my
, my family is like well, tiana,you should take it seriously,
like you've been playing for solong.
But um, I think there's also alevel of when you play it so
long and you know you gotforever to play it.
There were whole years where Ijust didn't even think about
golf and then I picked up myclubs and I played again.
(33:43):
So I don't think I have what ittakes consistency-wise, like
I'm a fair weather golfer, ifit's 50 degrees I don't want to
play okay, okay, it's cold.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
You're not as dedicated as you know me not in
that sense.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm definitely.
Hey, let's just go to thesimulator.
Yeah, definitely the otherbenefits that golf affords, but
I don't think I need to goprofessional, you don't need to
go professional.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
All right, Okay, Listen again.
You're talking to people thatI'm only limited to the driving
range and putt-putt, oh.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I'm sorry, I got to add this in when I did have a
video game system andoccasionally you throw the golf
joint on man.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Those are pretty pretty relaxing, you know I mean
, and you, know what I feel likethey teach you a lot about golf
in terms of the rhythm of theswing.
So if you play a lot of golfvideo games, you may be
surprised to find that you'reactually not bad playing.
Um, but, like, my dad is superserious as a golfer.
He's always enteringtournaments, always winning
money, and so I feel like, byvirtue of playing with him, I
(34:51):
I'm pretty good um, but likethat desire is just not there
yeah, those pro players, they'reon a totally different level.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I mean, they're practicing six, eight hours a
day.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I wish I had that time to do that, yeah, if you
had the time to do that I thinkthere's also a level of
geography that plays a role.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You know, a lot of golfers know this, but if you're
someone who lives in California, Texas, Florida, it's a lot
easier to go pro than if you'refrom freaking New York, New
Jersey.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
So that does matter too.
Yeah, yeah, being able to playyou around is definitely an
advantage.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Exactly, I want to be 100.
All of you guys are much betterthan me.
I think you only did miniaturegolf like three times, and that
was only just to get the check Iwas late.
Man, that was a cheap date didyou?
Speaker 4 (35:44):
uh, a lot of people on a date.
They'll do the top golf.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Top golf.
Yeah, I hear people talk aboutit.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's a big thing nowadays.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Never been in it, but I've heard a lot about it.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
You've never been to top golf.
No, that's a good spot becauseyou can watch TV.
You got your own little station.
You're hitting golf balls.
It's like being on the drivingrange At the same time time you
had a restaurant type vibe, it'snice I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1 (36:07):
try that I do think golf is seeing, um, just such a
renaissance right now where itis becoming the sport to do.
You know, I always joke on myinstagram that all the cute
girls are golfing now, um, butit goes further than that.
You know.
There are athletes who areretiring who can still pick it
up, and I think Steph was kindof, you know, let's go.
(36:28):
Michael Jordan was really thefirst kind of in that way.
But then you start to reallysee it pick up with Steph and
he's making holy moly and reallystepping into that golf game.
So it's not just an offseasonthing, golf game, so it's not
just an off season thing, and soI I don't know.
(36:49):
I think it'll be reallyinteresting to see how it grows,
the fashion around it, eastsidegolf, and how big they've
gotten.
But I do think if we're notcareful we will get left behind
in that wave.
So I am really trying to bringmy friends along, bring folks
along, even if you're justplaying socially.
There's just so much to begained from it.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
So yeah, and I think I think you know, going back to
the beginning of thisconversation, the history, like
knowing the history of it, mightspark a lot of interest in
people, because all you reallyneed is that one electrifying
golf light tiger was good, buthe was boring, you know.
I mean, you need somebodythat's like we need one from
(37:30):
harlem yeah, somebody bring someflash to the game or something
Speaker 4 (37:34):
like that.
Yes, yes, there was a dude outthere, you got him all right,
you need to look up uh calete.
Yeah, he was like a realbrother-brother, you know he had
the Kangol hat.
Yeah, I've seen the video.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
We like to brag, he had that swagger about him he
played in Rochester for quite awhile, did he really?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, I'm looking at the brother man.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, man we need like an Allen Iverson goal.
That's what we need.
Really tear the sport up.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, somebody that's going to break it down and then
that way, once that barrier isbroken.
Then it's like yeah, I want tobe like this guy, you know this
young lady.
So yeah, so we learned a lottoday, folks.
We learned that Tiana justlikes to wear the outfits and
drink on the course.
Scott's the real professionalhere.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Okay, wait Before people take it away.
But Tiana can hit well.
That matters too.
I guess Tiana has a really longdrive.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I mean if she say so.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I mean, I don't the next time we record this is
going to be in person at thecourse.
We'll do it on location, can I?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
give a play by play.
I mean, I don't know all thegolf terminology, but I can make
it up as I go.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I know, when somebody's messing up, she hit a
tree.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I'm telling you yeah, we got to make that happen.
We got to make that.
I would love to go live fromShady Rest.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We would love to You're welcome anytime.
We would love to have you outthere's like a tournament.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You should go next June-ish probably.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, next June we're having a tournament.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Do?
I got to wear the fancy golfoutfit to get on there.
Let me tell you you ain't gotto tell me.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I'm coming with it, I'm going to have the nicest
outfit you ever want to see.
I'm going to have a beautifuloutfit.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
I'm going to send you all some free Shady Rest swag.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
That's what's up.
Man, the real professional here, love it man?
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
We'll look for that.
Let me ask you guys, before welet you go, favorite golf movie.
What's your favorite golf movie?
Happy?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Gilmore, happy Gilmore.
All right, okay, guys before welet you go.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Favorite golf movie.
What's your favorite golf?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
movie.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Alright, what you got for us, Scott, Don't you say
Bagger Vance brother.
Do not say Bagger Vance brother.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm hanging up if you say Bagger Vance.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Oh no, Actually there's a movie called Playing
Through and it's about thisblack woman golfer.
It's based upon a true story ofthis woman in the 19, I want to
say the 1960s and herchallenges that she faced as far
as competing professionally asa black woman golfer.
It's called Playing Through, sodefinitely check that out.
(40:38):
That's probably the best golfmovie that I've seen because it
has a history standpoint.
That movie was based upon AnnGregory.
She was the first woman ofcolor to play in the USGA.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
You got to do your homework on the USGA.
It's a lot of good historyabout the USGA.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Listen, folks.
February is coming up, so addthis on to your list of stuff.
They're not going to teach youin school anyway Fading out
black history in school,Especially now.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
It's just very well done and it's an independent
film.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, I was going to say it's big right now, just
like if you guys want to followthe team behind it.
I know they did a couple ofdifferent festivals with the
film as well.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yes, and here my lowbrow behind was about to say
Caddyshack.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Okay, but I said Happy Gilmore.
And then he came through withthis.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, so I'm like see me shrinking.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Caddyshack was a classic.
I like two.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
What you like.
Caddyshack too.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I like one or two.
Wasn't it two with Jackie Mason, or something?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, nah, it wasn't like the original one man.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
It's not better than the original Wizard, but it is
what it is, yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
My man, Shooter McGatty.
Y'all know they're about tomake a second one of that right.
Are they yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Those are classic, those are classic.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
There's got to be a third.
There's got to be a third,there's two, there's two.
Caddyshack.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
No, not Caddyshack Happy.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Gilmore yeah, yeah, happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
No, they should never touch Caddyshack again.
Please let the people knowwhere they can reach you.
We'll start with you, scott theprofessional Professional
golfer.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
We would love to welcome everybody to come join
us at the Shady Rest Golf Clublocated in the Scotch Plains,
and then also you can check usout at wwwshadyrestgolfclubcom
and you'll see the website ofthe actual club members and you
can join and we would love tohave you.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
That's good, miss Tiana, yeah this is not like my
job, so I don't have a websiteto point you to no, but tell
them what you're doing.
Yeah, I am.
I'm going to ask you about thefashion tips.
Yeah, you know what, though, Iam?
going to get some good stuff tomake it more accessible, to kind
of dispel those fears thatpeople have.
(43:10):
So a lot of folks have beenjust DMing me saying, hey, you
really encouraged me to get outthere.
So if you ever just needsomeone to kind of say hey, I'm
a little nervous, I don't knowwhat I should be looking for,
anything like that I amdefinitely that person to make
you feel a little bit morewelcome on the golf course.
So you can just find me onInstagram, dm me.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, all right, and also tell them about the
management.
You know what I mean?
Yeah Well, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yes, I do run a PR firm.
We specialize in helping folkswho are transforming their
industry in some way, soconnecting them with their
audiences, to actually make surethat that legislation passes,
those systems they're creatingactually take off.
So, yeah, that's.
This is kind of the fun way tomeet those kinds of big game
(43:57):
changers, and so, yeah, that'swhy I always tell people get
into golf.
You never know who you're goingto meet.
Look at me and stop.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
How about it?
You know, I mean, it's a goodplace to discuss, you know,
expanding your brand, you knowyeah, yeah so business it's
business.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
The networking piece is so key with the game of golf.
Like the majority of thefriends that I've met since I
moved out in new jersey, a lotof them met through playing the
game of golf and it'll take youplaces you never thought you
know you would.
You would imagine you know.
Anytime you travel to adifferent city or a different
country, you can check out adifferent golf course.
It's a different world and Iwant more of our people to get
(44:35):
involved in the game and enjoyit and embrace it and love it
like we do, and they will loveit.
And the majority of the timewhen we take on something as a
people, we do it right.
We do it right, we do it well.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, and that's why they try to put them barriers up
.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
How's the smack talking down there man?
Does it get crazy?
Does it go off like it?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's a lot of junk talking.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
See, I'm like you missed your putt and I'm like,
oh, if only the hole was rightthere.
So I don't understand the smacktalking part of it.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Actually, I would have took that as slick talk
right there.
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
I would have took that personally.
You don't know where it's at,okay, okay, hold it a little
closer.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Great swinging so close yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Y'all are funny.
Before we go, I'm going to justtell you this.
I don't know how accessiblegolf carts are, but for some
reason in my neighborhood I seelike a whole family riding
around on one.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
Just in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, like I'm walking my dog, and this is like
twice I've seen it.
The kids are hanging out likethe Flintstones.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's going to tip over.
I'm like where did?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
you get a golf cart.
It's funny you say that.
I haven't seen more of that.
People like getting there ongolf courts, pimping them out,
putting rims on them, speakerson them yeah but is it a city
street?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Pimping them out, putting rims on them, speakers
on them, yeah, but this is thecity streets.
This is not the thing to do.
If you can do that, you can geta car.
So I'd rather see you in a hoopthan in a golf cart.
That's me, alright, listen, wethank y'all for real.
This was a very different talkBecause, like I said, we didn't
know anything about golf.
But this is what it's about.
We learn from each other, allright.
(46:23):
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Thank you once again, scottTiana, for always, always
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