How Forgiveness is a KEY to Self Love & Deeper Relationships with Tiffany O'Hearn

In this enlightening conversation, Tiffany O'Hearn and Cilia explore the profound themes of self-love, forgiveness, emotional healing, and the interconnectedness of all beings. They discuss the importance of embracing emotions like anger and guilt, the power of gratitude in manifesting abundance, and the significance of celebrating small wins in our journeys.

Tiffany O'Hearn is an energy healer, astrologer, and alignment guide with a mission to help individuals heal emotional wounds, elevate their self-worth, and live in harmony with their true purpose. Tiffany’s work is rooted in love, self-connection, and helping others align with their highest potential.

In addition to her one-on-one healing work, Tiffany is a passionate speaker, podcast host, and soon-to-be published author.

P.S. I forgot to mention in the intro that Tiffany's podcast, Abundance of Alchemy, can be found exclusively on Gnostic TV, here's the link to her show: https://gnostictv.com/programs/tiffany-ohearn

Tiffany's Website: www.heartinsoulhealing.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heartinsoulhealing/

Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heartinsoulhealing

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Episode Transcript

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Tiffany is an energy healer, astrologer, and alignment guide with a mission to help individuals

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heal emotional wounds, elevate their self-worth, and live in harmony with their true purpose.
In addition to her one-on-one healing work, Tiffany is a passionate speaker, podcast
host, and soon-to-be published author. She combines energy healing, astrology, and spiritual
wisdom to guide people through transformational journeys, clearing emotional blocks from past

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experiences, and empowering them to step into their authentic power. Tiffany's work is rooted
in love, self-connection, and helping others align with their highest potential. And today
in this conversation, we talked a lot about forgiveness. We talked about forgiving yourself,

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we talked about forgiving others, we talked about the emotions behind forgiving ourselves,
and how underneath those surface-level emotions, it really all leads back to love, and how
love is kind of this equilibrium that we are always drawn back to throughout our life of

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this, you know, life is a full package deal, we're going to feel all of the emotions, and
in between all of the ups and downs, we are always being called back to love, and we are
always being called back home, and we talked about self-love and really truly accepting
all parts of yourself, and how that is a really great tool to really deepen all of your relationships,

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and I really love this conversation, I love all of my conversations with Tiffany. I have
recorded already an episode with her on her podcast. Her podcast is called, let me pull
that up for you all. I will also be linking it in the show notes. Let's see, I just want

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to make sure I get the name correct, because I have it in my mind, but I think it's Alchemy
of Abundance, but I just want to be sure. Yes, Alchemy of Abundance. So I've already
recorded an episode with Tiffany on her show, Alchemy of Abundance. I'm not sure if it's

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live yet as of the time of this episode dropping, and so this has been my second sit-down conversation
with her, and as I am recording this intro, I have another conversation with her for her
show in like four days, and I feel like we really get into this flow where we end up

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going so deep to this point where it becomes hard to put into words what we are describing,
but if you listen, you know what we are talking about because you can feel it, and that may
or may not make sense as you listen to this intro, but I guess what I'll say is this conversation

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is really an invitation for you to get curious, get curious about your own self and how your
own self really is connected to everyone around you, because that separation of I versus other
people is really an illusion, and I know I'm getting real woo-woo with this intro, but

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I'm a woo-woo girl, sorry not sorry, and I hope that this episode really helps you step
into deeper self-love, deeper self-acceptance, self-forgiveness, forgiving others, and all
those magical things. So without further ado, please enjoy this episode and conversation
with Tiffany O'Hern.

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Welcome to Openly Spoken, the podcast to help you show up, speak out, and be seen. On this
podcast we talk about self-love, relationships, sexuality, spirituality, and more. Hi, I am
your host Cilia Antoniou, and I am a relationship and sexuality coach for ambitious women with
a history of toxic relationships who desire to reconnect to their sensuality and who desire

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to feel worthy of receiving healthy love. I celebrate you for hitting play on today's
episode. I hope that you find this very supportive and helpful, and if you could show some support
to the podcast by hitting subscribe on YouTube or on Apple Podcasts or on Spotify, wherever
it is that you are listening to or watching this episode, it would mean the absolute world

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to me. Thank you so much for being here. Now let's dive into today's episode.
Thank you, Tiffany, for being here. I'm very excited to have you on the show.

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Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It's really an honor. Thank you.
You're welcome. I would love to know, before we dive into our conversation today, what
is it like to be you today? What are some of the themes that are going through your
life, lessons that are coming up, or anything that you feel comfortable sharing along those

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lines? Yeah, that's a really great question, and
I'm really happy to answer it too, because I love challenging things like that. This
year for me has really been a challenging one and beautiful all at the same time, because
as much as we have challenges, there's such a beauty and honor within them. I think oftentimes
we kind of dismiss it. Something for me that's been really powerful and has really helped,

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probably around June or July of this year, was spending time being in gratitude, even
when it feels hard. I'm divorced, so being in gratitude for my ex, because I wouldn't
be the person that I am now. It's really challenged a lot of beliefs or programs that we have.

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Kind of letting that ego down and say, okay, something else that was really huge for me
this summer was devoting myself to myself, which is something I haven't done because
I'm in service always. But then we forget about us. Adding a meditation practice and
a journaling practice and a reading practice that are so fun and fulfilling. It's really

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helped me to have clarity through the challenges that I've had, because this year has felt
extremely more challenging than some in the past. But also it provides me with so much
clarity for moving forward, because life is an ebb and a flow. Mine has felt more like
an ebb over the last six months, but I know all of the work that I'm doing is starting

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to really show and come to fruition. So I'm moving into that flow state where we actually
get to... And my word for 2025 is going to be awe. It is awe, because I'm constantly
in awe of the synchronicities. I was on a podcast talking to this woman with... My
mom had three of us when she was 20, and my dad was a long haul truck driver. This woman

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is literally on my podcast saying, my mom had three kids at a very young age, and my
father was a long haul truck driver. And I was just like, wait a minute. I've never had
this story shared. And it was like somebody else is expressing it towards me. And so I've
really just embraced this awe, because I think that so often we dismiss the little minutia.

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Even yesterday I said to myself, I really want a second monitor for my office, because
it would just help. So I went onto Facebook, didn't really... Yeah, okay. So later that
night I looked on Amazon. I said, okay, $50, $100, okay. And then I checked Facebook Marketplace
again, and there was a monitor that was just listed five minutes before for $20 in a Samsung,

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a much better $300 monitor. And they're in the same town. And I was just like, thank
you for answering my prayers. And I think that that's really been really important for
me to really acknowledge and witness in myself is we often answer other people's prayers.
At the same time, they're answering ours. And that has really... Another theme for me

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this year has been, okay, Tiff, you're a great giver, but how are you at receiving? Because
if we don't close that circuit, then we're not able to properly give from that. And so
understanding that, and when I say prayer, it can be in a religious context, it doesn't
have to be. But truly when we talk about prayer is, it's putting an attention out to the world.

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It doesn't have to be anything more than that. And so how often are we answering some... I
mean, you and I, we have podcasts, right? So we say yes to somebody and they're like,
oh my goodness, I've been waiting for this. We're constantly answering people's prayers,
but I'm more aware to the fact that they are also answering mine.
I love that because I've also had so many experiences where there's something that you

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say that you desire or you kind of get in touch with this desire. And then the next
thing you know, there's the listing on Facebook market or there's the post on Facebook that's
calling for that one specific podcast guest that happens to be a topic that you can talk
about or I don't know, it really is crazy, the synchronicities. And I've never thought

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of it... I've always thought of it in the sense of once you really own your desire,
you get what you desire. You're going to receive that, but I've never looked at it in the context
of at the same time, I am also answering other people's prayers. So I love that.
Yeah. And I think it just opens up a whole new vision for us and this whole... because

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we want to be in service to others, right? As human beings, that's generally most people
identify with just wanting to give. And so in order for us to give, it's to really, really
appreciate... it's like the infinity, right? We also have to close that circuit. But knowing
that my hello could be answering somebody's prayer by virtue of I feel unloved. And now

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here's a total stranger showing them love. Well, okay, you just answered a prayer and
we don't know... we're not privy to the prayers that we answer. So why don't we just go for
forth in that light and treat human beings with equitable kindness until they show us
otherwise. But there's always a place for love. And that has been a huge theme of mine

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too, right? Because how do we love in the midst of strife? How do we stay in that hard
space? And a lot of these things are really simple, but they're not very easy. And it
takes these repetitions. So for me to go from, hey, listen, I can send love to my ex, right?

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What I didn't just happen. It's been years in the making. It's been years of working
on forgiveness. It's been years of understanding what forgiveness is. And then harmonizing
it all together and understanding that we're all coming from our own experience. And I

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think if we can really hold that up, right? Because we often talk about right and wrong.
But for me, right and wrong are nothing more than our experience, which determines what's
right or wrong. If we grew up in a household that they talk about other people and very
judgmental, right? That may feel very right for us. And then I'm coming from a place,

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so it becomes comfortable. It becomes what we know. It becomes racism, things like that,
right? Those are what we know. And we think other people are wrong and bad. But what if
we all just held everybody in the middle and said, well, you're coming from a different
experience as am I. And for me, this is what I know. And you may know something different,

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but I'm not going to take away what you know. Yeah. Doesn't the world need to know that
right now? Yes, yes, yes. And it's so easy for us to diminish somebody else. It's so
easy for us to snap judgments for other people. But I know that we're all doing our best.

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Our best may look different for everyone, right? But even the people, you know, even
the CEOs of companies that are making what we might consider poor choices, they are still
doing the best by their experience. Right? Because that's what they know. They don't
know, you know, I often bring up this example, right? If we, you know, let's say I'm, well,

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this boy, there's a there's a boy, and he is in an inner city gang. I don't know anything
about that. Right? I'm grateful. I don't know anything about that. But he's about 10. And
the only way for this little boy to survive is to take another life. We can all stand
and say what we think is right or wrong. But we're not in that little boy's shoes. Right?

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And I don't, you know, for me, it's more of just a conversation because I may have my
own opinion of it, or what my experiences lead me to believe is the best choice. But
again, are we in those? Are we in that situation? We're not we're sitting on our couch. Yeah.
And therefore, we will never really fully know and understand what it's like to be part

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of groups that are just systemically oppressed. Yeah. Right. And so how can we hold people
in that space of love? And that that feels hard for people. I know that it does. For
sure. Yeah. And I don't think we understand enough about it to quickly just say no, no,

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no. You know, because we're all human beings, we all come from the same kind. We're all
love. How do we hold each other in those other spaces? Now, it doesn't mean we don't have
boundaries. Right? Doesn't mean we can't say no. It doesn't mean we just give freely of
ourselves because we also love ourselves. And if we love ourselves first, well, it really
helps all of our other relationships. But so often we live in a world where, no, you

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need to love that other person first and more. Right? I mean, you see it all the time with
people on Facebook with their kids. I could eat them. I could squish them. They're, you
know, to the moon and back and all of these things, which are great, wonderful things
we want to say to our kids. But how do we, how do we embody that vision of love so that
it's not in fear? Because a lot of times, right, if you go to any hallmark store and

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pick out a card for your spouse or your partner, you complete me. You're the missing half of
me. No, you're not. Right. But we perpetuate this. And so everyone has a really confused
idea of how to show love. If we watch Netflix, we're not learning. If we watch the news,

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we're not learning. If we watch how other people, depending on where you are, that might
not be the best vision of it also. So how do we develop that for ourselves without the
outside noise? And that, that can be challenging for us.
Yes, I'd love to dive into that more because I have been noticing that everywhere as a
relationship coach that we're not taught how to love. And I'd also like to rewind a little

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bit and kind of highlight something that you said. You said that part of like something
you've been doing this year is that you're divorced and you've been working on like sending
love and forgiveness to your ex. And you said something about knowing what forgiveness actually
is. I would love for you to speak to what actually is forgiveness because I think there's

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a lot of misconceptions where people think forgiveness is one thing. And because they
think it's that thing that it isn't, they like hold a grudge and they're just like,
I don't know, poisoning their own self because they're just like angry at this person who
like isn't even a part of their life anymore. Right. Until they're dead.

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Yeah. You know, and we live in a society and I think that this is part of this perpetuation
of your wrong period. And I'm going to show you you're wrong in all of the ways that you're
wrong.
Yeah, it's very egocentric. Super ego.
It is. And I think forgiveness to truly forgive is to take the ego out. Because I remember

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right after we separated and I went to, this was my first like healing experience and this
woman was a medium and she was just so wonderful and gentle and loving. And she's like, you
really need to forgive. And I was like, the hell I do. No, thank you. Did you not hear
me? Let me rewind. Let me tell you again. Right. Let me repeat. Right. I don't think
you heard me. And so we're so quick to villainize somebody else, but everything in a relationship

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is a mirror back to us first and foremost. Right. We call in every experience, every
relationship based on our vibrations. And so when we're talking about forgiveness, forgiveness
is about releasing that within. It's not about saying to somebody else that I forgive you
for cheating on me. I forgive you for stabbing somebody. Right? No, no, no. It's not about

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that. Can I forgive them for me? Because I need to release that. And so it's actually
a bit selfish in a most beautiful way. And again, that's one of those words that we've
kind of polarized to mean something bad. Right. But you know, when we can stand in forgiveness,
let's talk about our parents for a second. Every one of us has one. And I can almost

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guarantee that like most of us can look back at our childhood and be like, actually, I
didn't feel loved most of my childhood. And your parents could go, wait, what? I don't
understand. I took you to your games. I did all of this. I did that. I did this. Right.
Well, yes. And you did your best. And so we also have to understand again, going back

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to that they're doing their best, but can we forgive them for what it is? They don't
know. Yeah, for sure. That's the most important thing. I forgive you for what you don't know
because you don't know that I don't want to receive love that much. How can you tell that
when you're a kid, you don't have the words for it. So it just creates, you know, this

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these energies of feeling in love or feeling unseen or feeling unworthy. I mean, we can
pull America, we could pull the world. And I almost bet every one of us has a wound like
that from our childhood. Yes, for sure. And our possible to come out unscathed because
I think it's because the way our society is created, it's not very supportive to raising

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children. For example, the mere fact that, you know, the average maternity leave, at
least in America is like 12 weeks or something, maybe even less if you're even lucky to get
a maternity leave. And it's just very stressful to provide for a child. And of course, you're
not going to be there to be fully present and there. And also not to mention, like,

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I don't know if you agree with me or other people agree with me or not. But I don't think
that children are meant to be raised just by the couple that made them. Like, I feel
like we are supposed to live in a more tribal community, collective community, which which
we don't have right now. You know, I hadn't thought about it. But as you're saying that,

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I do, I do, because we need more exposure, we need different opinions, we need different
stories and narratives. And, you know, you know, we live with my mom, because we, you
know, all agreed to share a large house together. And it has its challenges. But most of the
time, it's wonderful, because my daughter now has her grandmother and her cousin, and

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my aunt, you know, my sister, and we've adopted that. And it's really quite beautiful. And
so you're right when it comes to that, right. But when we're talking about forgiveness,
the most important thing, it's the greatest act of self love for us to forgive ourselves
first. Yes, and especially as a parent, right? Because we were just I was just talking about

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this with one of a fellow mom. And I said, Listen, this was this morning, this this woman
came into my, you know, I was anyways, she was really upset. And I could just see it.
I don't really know her that well. And I'm like, Okay, and she's just like, I feel like
I have nobody and she's going on and on. Right. And I said, Listen, you know, we all as parents,
right, we're doing our best. And I think sometimes we sit and go, it's not enough.

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Or that's so much I don't have kids myself. But a lot of my friends do. And like, they
constantly feel guilty for what they don't do, rather than seeing how wonderful they
are. Exactly. And what is guilt provide us? Chaos? Yeah, it causes a strife. And we hold

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guilt because it makes us feel well, if I feel guilty, then it will somehow alleviate.
It doesn't make me better next time. It'll like, yeah, for sure. But try to find it beautiful.
Because you notice that if you feel guilty, that means you actually genuinely care. Yeah,
you know, but sometimes people hold on to it for fear, like a fear based tactic, right?

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Like, well, if I just stand in remorse or guilt, then it's okay, because I need to punish
myself. And sometimes that's what guilt is, is us punishing ourselves. But to hold ourselves
in a place of forgiveness is to say, I know something different. I didn't realize my nervous
system was engaged when I yelled at my daughter, I know something different. I forgive myself.

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And guess what? I'm gonna go to that little human being and say, whoopsie. I didn't know.
But now I know. And I'm sorry. I hope you can forgive me. The the I always get the name
wrong. But it's the hop and open open up. It's the Hawaiian. I know what you're talking
about. Yeah, I'm sorry. I thank you. I love you. I forgive you or something. Yep. It's

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Please forgive me. Thank you. Oh, no pono. It's a really long word. I don't know. There's
one H and a lot of O's and P's. Yeah. But it's just in case anyone Hawaiian is listening
and they're like, you're putting it justice. My next door neighbor, one of them is half
Hawaiian. So I'm like, we should get it right. Okay, I'm gonna try. Ho open. No pono. Ho

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open. Oh, no. That's right. Yeah, that sounds more than what I said. But it's very beautiful,
right? It's about asking for forgiveness. But the thing is, is it's not always about
asking somebody else. Ask yourself for forgiveness. So often we think that we can't forgive because
that means that we accept the situation for what it is. Yeah, that we're like condoning

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the behavior or where like if it's not about the other person and what they did, if it's
more about what you did, then it's like, oh, I'm just like this and this never going to
change. But if you can forgive yourself, you can let it go. Right? Because we don't let
it go. And all of these energies exist in our bodies. And then we become so distracted,

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so separated from our higher self. Right? Because we can't, we can't do it. So how
do we how do we bring that forgiveness in? Because that's where it starts is to have
that inside and to allow that for yourself. Because in order for things to work for us,

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we always need to try it on. Yeah, right. We need to we need to try it on. And so how
do we try on forgiveness for ourselves? And it's to do it right? Like, listen, I always
say 1% better. We're not here to do 100% better. That that kind of sets us up. But can you
forgive yourself for something today? Can you just forgive yourself for one thing? Listen,

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I, it's as simple as I didn't know something that I know now. I didn't know. I know something
different. I forgive myself. And can we walk away from it? And it takes it takes courage.
It takes it takes time to build that forgiveness muscle. But when you do, you're so much more

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free inside. Because there's nothing holding you back. Yes. And that's really what we need.
And so how do we forgive somebody? Well, wait a minute. They cheated on me. They left me.
And I'm supposed to forgive them. Yes, you are. You're forgiving them for you. Not forgiving

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them. And maybe you come to a place where you can forgive them for that, you know, but
there are simple, easy ways for us to start developing this muscle of forgiveness. It
all starts from within. It all starts from within. Because if we're not showing up authentically,

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we're disconnected from ourselves. And to show up authentically is to say, Hey, ego,
you're super helpful, but not all the time. Yeah. And to just move forward and understand
again, you know, if somebody pulls out in traffic, I almost guarantee you they're not
like, well, here Tiffany's coming. I can't wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay,

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now. No, no. You didn't see. Whenever that happens, I'm like, there could be a lady in
there giving birth. Like, I don't know. Like, whatever, just let them go. Because if you
get angry, like all it's, it's not affecting that person. It's not going to make them stop
cutting people off. It's just heightening your cortisol or whatever happens chemically

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in your body when you get angry. And I think I'd love to touch on you mentioned guilt with
forgiving yourself. I think anger really shows up when you're trying to forgive another person.
So I'd love for you to talk about like how you have worked through anger and maybe like
what anger has taught you. You know, in anger is, is one of those emotions that we don't

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honor. Yeah. Enough. Right. And so the number one way to move through anger is to feel it.
But so often it feels foreign or we feel wrong or bad for having anger. Yeah. It can feel
dangerous to right in some people, right? For some of us, we don't know how to properly
deal with our anger. And so it can feel like, okay, I don't want to get angry. I don't want

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to get angry because I cannot control once I get angry. And that usually tends to be
what happens. When we hold that all inside, it causes a great amount of disease, you know,
guilt, they're all very low vibrating frequencies and emotions. But our emotions are there to
teach us. They're there to show us something. And so I always say, how curious can you be?

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Because if you can be curious to your anger, if you can say hi to your anger, Hey, anger,
I see you. What can I do? Go for a run real quick. Go for a run, go jump up and down outside
and do that. Right. Give it to the earth. Give it to the trees. Scream into a pillow.
Clap. Clap is a great way to get rid of negative emotions. Just a simple act of clapping. Cause

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all of our organs, everything is all in our hands. So clapping can be super useful. If
you notice when people get angry, they often hold their fists like this and slam them.
Well, there's a little point we can tap right there. There's a reason why, because it's
trying to get the energy out. And so if we see anger for what it is, which is trying

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to move energy, I mean, really any emotion. Right. Right. And so how do we start to develop
this little toolbox or myself? Right. Cause listen, we can say, no, I'm every time I get
angry, I'm going to go jump up and down outside. Right. But if it's raining or you're not outside,
so we need multiple things in our toolbox. And also they don't always all work for the

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same situations because we have underlying emotions or our nervous system is engaged.
Right. And so to feel anger, to honor it and to witness it and to be super curious to me
is the number one way to move through any of our emotions. You know, especially like
we'll get sad and we don't want to cry. We don't want to cry. Can't cry. Can't cry. I

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say cry, cry when you feel it and don't be ashamed because we move through them. It's
when we don't feel them that they become trapped inside of us. And then we do not get a choice
on how they show up again or how they come out because they will. And it could be an
anger towards your child, towards your partner, you know, towards your dog in ways that almost

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surprise us. And they often do. And then we move back to that guilt. Hey, I didn't allow
myself in that moment. It's okay. I forgive myself. I know something different now. Now
I can move forward. So often we just need to honor. I remember probably about a month

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and a half. No, it must have been in October. It wasn't October. It's the end of October
and it was my sister's birthday. And I have a gluten allergy and a dairy allergy. And
so we went out to go source her a cake for her birthday. Took my nephew and we went to
the bakery that has gluten free stuff. Well, they didn't. And so I really was like, getting
a cupcake, right? So then we go to the store and they didn't really have anything gluten

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free, you know, desserty type thing, right? And everyone else is having all of these delicious
desserts. And so we had a little fire outside because it was nice out and I had my arms
folded. And I just say to my partner, I'm throwing a tantrum right now. She's like,
what? I'm like, yeah, I'm throwing a tantrum because I wanted a cupcake and I didn't get
the cupcake. And now I'm just mad. And like, I said it out loud to everyone to kind of

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mirror, to kind of show, to model that like, it's cool. Just talking to that little kid
inside that didn't get the cupcake. It's cool. Right? And so I laughed at myself and I said,
I didn't get my cupcake. I'm a little upset. I'm just going to sit here for a second, throw
my little tantrum. And I did kick my feet a little bit.
I think that's relatable when you share it out loud. Like it's such a great way to just

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connect with the people around you because they're like, oh yeah, I've been there. That
sucks.
Yeah. And this idea that children are the only one that throws tantrums is so not true.
That's so not true. I can tell you if anyone listening here, they can probably in the last
week think of a time where they threw a mini tantrum inside. We just know how to handle
it.

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Adults throwing tantrums on the news every day.
Right. Right. When our needs aren't met, same as a child, we throw tantrums. They just might
show up a little different, but honestly, do they? Probably not. Kids throw things,
adults throw things, right? So how do we honor that? And it's really to start to develop
that fact that, hey, listen, I'm not perfect. And I'm not trying to be. I'm just showing

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up every day and learning because we learn something new about ourselves all the time.
And so if we can't hold ourselves in that space in place of love, that's where a lot
of these other lower anger and not that you can't love yourself and have anger. That's
not what I'm saying. But when we don't know how to feel the emotions, because probably

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no one taught us and you can also forgive yourself for that. Guess what? I don't actually
know how to feel my emotions and I forgive myself.
I think it's also so beautiful to notice that there's love beneath anger and beneath guilt.
Like what I mentioned before, like the guilt shows that you really care about doing a good
job in terms of mom guilt. And then like when you're angry at someone that cheated on you

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or did something to you, the only reason why you would be angry is if you love that person.
Because if you did not care, you wouldn't care enough to be angry. So like it's cool
to see how love is a certain vibration and then these other emotions are usually talked
about as being a lower vibration. But I feel like love is like these are anger and guilt

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are proof of love being present. It's like right underneath it.
Yeah. And also there's information there, right? And if we can stay in that curiosity
because they're here to teach us, these emotions are here to teach us. And if we're angry at
somebody else, are we angry at them? Or are we angry at how it makes us feel? Are we angry

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at the situation? And more often than not, a lot of these lower feelings, like the lower
vibrating feelings, it's because they've touched a core wound of ours or they've touched a
wound. Well, why are you upset that some stranger that you don't know and know nothing about
just cut in front of you? Well, it makes me feel unseen. And it makes me feel disrespected.

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Okay, when was the last time you felt disrespected? When was the first time you felt disrespected?
Because those are all the clues in there. And so we usually tell everyone, we usually
say it out loud, what our program is, or what our wound that they're hitting, but we're
not receiving it in that same light.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because we're kind of like, maybe disassociated sometimes in those emotional

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moments. That's so interesting.
Because we want to tell the other person. Yeah, right. That they're the one that I'm
wrong.
We're not all still receiving what we are saying. Oh, that's so interesting. I've never
thought of that before.
Yes. And we can use that as information because everything that we're going to express outwards,
right? Is some sort of wound. It's bringing something up. It's bringing something up.

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And what is it? Yeah, we'd be curious enough to try to understand that. Because your partner
not leaving, you know, leaving a dish out, probably wasn't to you. And that's another
thing is we often feel that life is happening to us, instead of around us. Right? Yeah.
And so you come home, and there's a dish in the dish. No, I've told them 1000 times, I

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feel so disrespected. Put it in the dishwasher. Well, it begs the question, why do they have
to meet all of your needs? Why can't that dish be left there? Because I don't know,
maybe we forgot. It has nothing to do with you. But so often we're trying to, you know,
villainize somebody else. But really, it's about how we feel about that dish. It's not

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about how the other person feels about that dish. But we take it very personal. We say,
No, no, no, that was to me. They did that on purpose. I know they did that on purpose.
I don't know. Right? Are you familiar with the book? The four agreements? I have read
that book. Yeah, long, long time ago. I think I don't know if it's the first agreement,

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or I don't know if the order matters. But one of them is don't take things personally,
life is not personal. So I love that you brought that up. It's so not. And if we can really
understand that, right. And you know, I tried to model, you know, for when I'm out in public,
you know, really, just show people that we can hold each other in a space in place of
flowers. Because it matters. Because so often people don't, there was a woman walking by

(36:13):
me today, and all of a sudden she was like, there's my sunshine. And I was just like,
Hi, I didn't. I don't know why she called me that. But I don't care. Because she's feeling
something in me. And she didn't look as sunny. And that's okay. But maybe I helped infuse
that. Yeah, no, but I don't know anything about her or her day. So her not making eye

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contact has nothing to do with me or whatever the scenario is. We often build them in our
minds because our ego says, No, no, no, wait a second. Wait a second. You know, and as
I always say, you really want to focus on the first voice, not the second voice. And
I try to teach my daughter this now too. And so I'll say close your eyes. You don't know
what to do. Okay, so I asked a couple questions. What's your favorite color? Purple? First

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answer comes to mind, just say what it was on your mind. And then I'll ask the question
back. And she'll come up with her answer. Our second answer is usually the ego. The
one that says, Oh, no, no, no, no, you're wrong. Or I can't take that time off because
of this. Or I can't get a new job. Or I can't do all of these things because Bop, Bop, Bop,
Bop. Our ego is very fear based. Our higher self is not. And so the more that we can connect

(37:22):
with our higher self, whether it be through nature, whether it be through meditation,
whether it be through journey, whether it be just to devote yourself to working to be
a better person, because it does take work, right? It's not, you know, you can see me
now, but you don't know what a what I've gone through or B how much time I've spent on myself

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because it's a lot. It's a lot. And it's okay because that's my journey. And that's really
important for all of us to really understand too. You are on your own journey. I am on
my own journey. Yes. Child is on their own journey. My partner is on their own journey.
Tiff, people pleasing Tiff, you know, prior to this year thought, Oh, no, no, no, here's

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what's wrong with you. If you just listen to me, you're going to see what I see. And
not in a, not in an ego way, but just in a way that's like, you don't see what I see.
So you can't know what I know. But if you just listen, I'm going to help you. I'm going
to help you fix yourself. It's never worked. It's never works because we can't show somebody

(38:26):
else their blind spots or what they're not willing to see. They're always going to come
at it when they want. You know, my partner was always like yoga, yoga, we should do yoga.
We should try yoga. You're really going to love it. Yoga, yoga, yoga. And I'm like, no,
I'm not trying yoga. No, I'm not going to do yoga. Well, about three months ago, all
of a sudden I saw something on Instagram or who knows what it was. And I said, I think

(38:47):
I'm going to try yoga. And now I love yoga. Right. But you have to understand that it
really is. But you telling me to try yoga might not be the impetus to me trying yoga.
I might need to hear it seven, eight, nine times. We don't know. And maybe it's not even
part of my journey. Healing isn't a part of everyone's journey. Love isn't a part of their

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journey. Maybe, maybe not. Right. But we don't need to show people where they need to go.
We only need to stay true to ourselves. And that will show you who you are on the deepest
of level. When you can stay true to yourself and respond to life. Really, we react to life.

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React is wounds. React is fear. React are all these old programs that we've collected
over the years that we don't even really know. But when we react, it's a part of our nervous
system. It's a part of that fear. So how can we respond? Just get curious. Right. I hear
that you're upset. That's so different than, wait a minute, you're not going to yell at

(39:54):
me. You're not going to disrespect me. Right. They're not doing it to us. So how do I respond
to life as it happens? Because to me, if I don't respond, I'm just pushing out a force
that's going to push back at me. And it doesn't make me feel good.
Yeah. And I think that goes back to this kind of concept we talked about before of falling

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deeply in love with yourself. And when you are able to do that, I feel like you're more
resourced to be able to respond instead of react. Because you're still feeling that same
kind of somatic experience of your heart beating faster because yelling is happening. But instead
of reacting from that place of fear, you're like, okay. You're basically in more acceptance

(40:44):
of what's happening inside of you. And you can be like, I see you're upset. It changes
your relationship with yourself, changes your ability to communicate in times of conflict
like that. It really does. So often we want to fill other
people's cups because again, we want to give, we want to do that. But if we haven't filled

(41:05):
our own cup, we're actually not able to fill their cup. And it's coming in authentically.
It's probably fear based, right? Like again, you know, the attachment that we may have
to our partner or our children. If you listen, a lot of times it's actually more fear based
than anything else. It's not your fault, right? It's not your fault. I'm not saying that you
should know differently or know it's just a different perspective. But if we don't fill

(41:28):
our cup first, then we're not able to properly fill other people's cups. And so you can
show up better for your children, show up better for your partner when you show up better
for yourself. Yeah, for sure.
We don't teach people that. Nobody shows us that. It's not modeled for us. I just actually
made a reel because I was journaling. I journal, I light my candle. Most of the time, sometimes

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I do journaling in the car if that's what I need to do, but I'm still going to get it
done because I want to help fill your cup, but I can't do that if my own cup is not.
And so it's a devotion. It really is. But a lot of us don't think that we matter enough
or we have the time to do it. We have the time for what we want to make time for. I

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mean, that's just real. If you all of a sudden start smoking, you all of a sudden have time
for that, right? I mean, you could look at anything. Netflix. We have time for Netflix.
We have time for... We have time. We do. How can we just allow? Allowance. Allow ourselves
to be, allow ourselves to fill our cup, allow ourselves to forgive, allow ourselves to go

(42:37):
with the flow, allow ourselves to connect, right? If we don't work on those things, a
lot of them are very fear-based. And it's not your fault. It's not our fault. It wasn't
my fault, right? But to witness it and say, okay, we have some work to do. And now when
the programs come up for me, there was just one that I thought of. I reacted to something
and I went, now we get to work on that. And I get really excited about the things when

(43:02):
I react. Right. Because now I'm like, thank you. Thank you for showing me something that
I didn't know. And then I get to move through that. I get to learn. I get to grow. And that's
so powerful for us because we always need these little wins for ourselves. We need that
validation for ourselves. And it shows up when we respond and don't react. I normally

(43:29):
would have reacted to that and I didn't. So I'm going to give myself a hug because I did
it. Like we need those little wins. So we have to be bold and we have to be curious.
I mean, curious is probably one of the best things that we can be for ourselves because
it puts down the guilt. Yeah, for sure. Get curious. And it turns this whole journey of

(43:50):
growth and self-love into this fun ride you can be on your whole life. Because when you're
curious about one thing and you learn that thing, there's always something else that
that leads to. Like you'll hear someone say a word where you're like, what does that mean?
I remember the first time I heard the word sovereignty, I was like sovereignty, what

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is that? And one thing just keeps leading to the next. And that kind of goes back to
what we said before about your prayers are answered as soon as you're, you know, what
you're showing up for, as long as you're open to receive it, it'll show up for you to receive
it. Yeah, it's very interesting. Right. And if we aren't open to receiving, we won't receive

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it. And some of the best ways that I could say this is most of us focus on abundance.
Abundance is a huge word. Abundance, abundance. I love abundance too. When we think about
abundance, most of us are going to think about money. Right. So we put out into this world,
I want more abundance, I deserve more abundance, I need more abundance, whatever it may be.
But you're walking down the road and you pass a penny, you even look at it and you say,

(44:57):
oh, that's just a penny. But that's the abundance you're asking for. And the universe will sometimes
test us in that way. So can you pick up that penny and say, thank you. Thank you for this
penny and put it in your pocket. I promise you more abundance will flow. But we need
to stay in that gratitude. We need to be thankful. We need to, in order for us to receive, right,

(45:23):
we have to say, well, thank you. And I received this because saying thank you is receiving
something. Right. Being grateful for that penny is receiving. Well, thank you. I don't
know what I did to deserve this, but I really appreciate this penny. And I'm going to put
it in my pocket. And then maybe the next time you find a dime. Wow. Right. So often we look
for these big grand things. Show me that I'm worthy of this abundance by giving me a million

(45:46):
dollars. You never get the million dollars. Right. You just walked over four pennies.
You know, and I say that because it's really easy for people to understand. And anyone
listening, you're going to find a penny now and you're going to have a choice. You will
have a choice. And I hope you remember what I said and just say, thank you. I'm so grateful

(46:10):
I found this penny. Being grateful allows us to not live in those real anger and understand
that it is all a lesson. We're learning right now. You know, gratitude is such an abundant
practice too. Like if you, I remember I dedicated like two consecutive years to gratitude journaling

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every morning and now I get to have this journal on my bookshelf that's just like full of gratitude
entries. It's like my favorite book. Yeah. And it's so abundant because once you find
one thing, there's another thing, or you can even go deep on just one item. Like I could
go deep on this computer that I'm talking to you on. There's so many things that go

(46:54):
into it. There are the people that invented binary code. There are the satellites in the
sky. Like there's so many things. It's like a really, I think gratitude really is the
key to really tapping into and noticing abundance and noticing that abundance is not just money,

(47:15):
that it's just like everywhere. Right. It's hard to put it into words. It is, it is. But
again, you can exercise that gratitude muscle and you know, cause you know, someone had
asked me, well, how do you have that much to write about to be grateful for? To be honest,
I could write in a whole journal of things I'm grateful for if I really wanted to dedicate
that time. And it would be... If our hands never got tired, I could fill up a whole journal

(47:39):
too. I'm just gonna turn my light on. And it would be honest and it would be authentic.
Yes. Because there's no boundaries to great, you know, have you thanked yourself for breathing?
I'm so grateful that I breathe. I don't even have to think about it. Yes. You know, like
you can, you can just say, I'm grateful that I, my legs walk. Yeah. Even when you say the

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breathing, like I'm immediately thinking about like, my heart takes in the oxygen and like
spreads it to all of my cells. And then it, it, it takes the carbon dioxide and then I
breathe it out. Like there's so much even in just breathing. Like there's so many, you
don't have just one lung, you have two. There's like, there's so much. So much. Our bodies

(48:25):
are working for us. And that's something that I often write in my journal. I'm just so grateful
for my body, my mind, my soul, my spirit, my humor, my voice. Right. We can, if we really
want to, we can truly find things to be grateful for. But often we think, well, I didn't receive
the million dollars. So I'm not grateful. No. Yeah. I think because our egos like to

(48:48):
control things, right? Whatever goal we set for ourselves, we like, first of all, we think
that's what we want, but really we want how we think that million dollars will make us
feel. And we have this idea of like how we're going to get there, but like, we really don't
know how we're going to get there. Or if somewhere along the journey, another desire comes up

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that's different. And like, we just have to be willing to be open to every present moment
within every present moment. Like, yeah, I don't even know if I'm making sense. When
whenever I talk about stuff like this, there's a point where it gets, it gets to a point
where it's really hard to put this stuff into words. Yes. Yes, for sure. But I think, you
know, it's like when you're a child and you want something, right. And whether you get

(49:35):
it or not, you're not sitting here, you know, 40 years later or whatever the case may be
going, I never did get that doll. No, you've moved on. We constantly want things, whether
we get them or not. Right. We are wanting beings because there's so much around for
us to want. And we will receive more if we're grateful for what we already have. It's like,

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you know, when I do, you know, when I'm journaling and I have what I'm working on, right, what
I'm manifesting. And I every single time in that notebook goes, I am grateful for what
I have in this very moment. In this, if nothing were to change, if I wasn't to receive anything
that I'm asking or putting forth the energy towards, I'm okay right where I am. And I

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love myself right where I am. And that frees up so much energy because when we want something,
it becomes like this energetic cord to it. And if it's something that we can't receive,
like I make a hundred dollars a week, but I'm going to make 10,000 next month. That
might be hard. You might not get there. Right. So how can you reach without overreaching

(50:46):
yourself to stay? Well, let's just try $500. Okay, that feels good. And then you get a
coupon $25 off. We often don't think about that. That's part of my income or that's part
of my $500. And if we start to look for it, we'll always find it. Same as if we look for

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all the ways that you're wrong and bad, you'll find them. Right. So what are you focusing
on? Cause we always have a choice. Yeah. I love that you mentioned the like, how can
we reach without overreaching? Because I think too many people, when you make your goal smaller
and more bite size, accuse you of then being in scarcity. At least I've experienced that

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where it's like, why are you lowering your goal? Like you're just giving into the fear.
But I think focusing on, I was just talking about this this morning with somebody, focusing
on that like big mountain that we want can be so overwhelming. And I think it's very
easy to just focus on that big mountain and that big goal and hurdle that we're either

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A overwhelmed and not doing anything to get there or B doing so many things in one day
until we're burned out and it's not sustainable rather than focusing on what is the small
little stretch for today and the next day. Yeah. And it's like the one step. Right. And
now we're going into the new year. So we know most resolutions will be about losing weight.

(52:20):
That just, that's what happens. And you say to somebody, well, how much weight do you
want to lose? Okay. Most of us aren't saying five pounds. You know, we're, you know, you
could look at somebody and say, well, I want to lose a hundred pounds. Right. That seems
hard. And we often will say, no, my goal is a hundred pounds. I only lost two. And I'm
like, why? We forget to sell it. You're on the way. Like the moment is happening. Yeah.

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And if we don't celebrate those little things, like again, I'm looking for a $500 month.
I just got, you know, let's just say I had to buy something and they gave me $300 off.
Well, could that be part of that? Wow. Thank you. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. We need those
ways that proof, cause we're always looking for it. And just the same as we're like, well,
I'm never going to get my $10,000 month. I'm never going to do it. You're not. Right. But

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if you say I want a $10,000 month next year, so I'm going to start, I'm going to start
with a thousand. Okay. I got a thousand. Now I'm going to work on 2000 and focus on all
of the ways that you were receiving it. Not just here is money. Right. Did somebody buy
you dinner unexpectedly? Well, you didn't take from your pocket, right? There's so many

(53:34):
ways that we can feel like it's working. And that's often what we need because in order
for us to go forward, we need the momentum, but we need the proof. We're always looking
for proof. We're living in a proof-filled world, but if we don't pay attention to the
penny, we're missing that proof. So we're going to take other proof that, well, we're

(53:57):
not worthy of that. Or, oh, I'm so stupid. I should have known. It doesn't work. Nothing
works. Right. Instead of saying I found a penny, I'm not any of those things. Wonderful.
I'm beautiful. And it's working. I'm in awe that I just found a penny.
Yeah. Because not only is that proof of the momentum, when you celebrate those little

(54:18):
things, that creates more momentum. Celebration is a huge part of my coaching with my one-on-one
clients. I start every call with celebrations and I really find that celebrating ourselves
is very hard for a lot of women. When you take it on as a practice, it's very similar

(54:41):
to gratitude, but it's different because it also invites you into bragging about yourself,
which usually has a negative connotation to it. Yeah. I'm looking at the time and I'm
like, how have we talked for 52 minutes already? I know. Yeah. It's really been a beautiful

(55:04):
conversation. This flew by.
It really did. It really did. Do you have any thoughts to add on what I just said before
I ask you some closing questions? We need to celebrate for sure. And we need to show
other people that it's okay to celebrate because we need to unburden the women around us. And
the way to do that is to become authentic within. And it will only show them that they

(55:28):
have permission to do the same thing. And so if somebody, I sent an email out because
I'm looking for collaborations and she said, I can't, I have too much on my plate. And
I said, I am celebrating you. Yes. I love that. Instead of being like, I knew they weren't
going to say yes, or they're probably just saying that because my program isn't what
they want. No, I'm like, heck yeah. I'm celebrating that for you. I think that that's amazing

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that your schedule is so full. And I mean that. I mean that because I'll find the perfect
person. Don't come to me because I'm going to be a match. That's not arrogance. That's
not anything. It's the law. Right? But we need to celebrate each other. We really do.
We really, really do. You know, as soon as we came on, I asked you how your trip was

(56:14):
because we had talked before that. Yeah. I'm celebrating that you just took this wonderful
trip instead of saying, she got to go on a trip. Good for her. Must be nice. No. And
it feels so genuinely good after you have like practice celebrating not only for yourself,
but it feels so good when you notice that you genuinely feel the celebration for the

(56:38):
other person. Right. Especially if it's like a goal that you want to, and you notice like,
wow, I'm actually really happy for this person that they got that instead of being like jealous
or comparing myself or yeah, feeling guilty that I'm not there yet. Like it feels so good
to be like, I genuinely, truly am so happy for this person. It's really cool. It's again

(57:01):
one of those feelings that's hard to explain in words. But try it on because it feels pretty
good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to ask you two closing questions and then we'll get
into where people can find you and connect with you. The first one is what does self
love mean to you? Self love is love for everyone else. Love for what? I didn't hear that. Everyone

(57:26):
else. For everyone else. Because when we wholly and completely love ourselves, we shine. We
shine and other people see it and we become that loving force or energy or vibration for
others just by being in your presence. Cause we all know what it feels like to be around

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somebody who doesn't love themselves. Yeah. How can you be that person that loves themselves?
That doesn't say Tiffany, you always do that. You're bad. You're wrong. I don't know here.
It's cool. I'll get it better next time. Right? It feels really hard to do it first, but I
promise you, if we can change that narrative and love ourselves, all of our relationships

(58:12):
will shift. They will. They cannot. And so often again, we focus on the outside world,
but self love is the deepest invitation to go inwards, to come home. That's what self
love is, is to come home, to be found. Yeah. Yeah. It also makes me think of how this like
separation of I versus everyone else is just an illusion. I feel like that's also a truth

(58:39):
that really comes up after you've been practicing spirituality for a while. You really notice
how like everything is one. And so in not like, especially for the people listening,
who are people pleasers or like really love to give to others and not to themselves, it's
actually hurting the other people when you don't love yourself because we are all one.

(59:00):
Like when you don't love yourself, it doesn't only affect you. It affects everyone that
is in your life. And it's not to say that you're wrong or that you're doing it on purpose.
It's just something that happens as an outcome. And I think it happens because we are always
being led back to love because that's where we're supposed to be. Like that's like our

(59:25):
equilibrium. You know, we are also supposed to feel all the other feelings. However, always
coming back to that love, like not staying in the anger or staying in the guilt, always
coming back to love in between those moments. That's right. Nature is the greatest experience
of love that you can find. I mean, most people feel so connected when they're at the ocean

(59:47):
or in the forest. Whatever it is, that's how you can understand love. To me, that's love.
Just to spend time in nature. It doesn't have to be the way I do it. Do it the way you want
to do it. But flowers are the most loving thing. Honeybees are loving, trees are loving,
and they're just there. They're just there. There they are for us.

(01:00:09):
This question is my absolute favorite question to ask people. To ask women, what is your
favorite part about being a woman?
I love that. I love that so much. You know, I think being a woman is, you know, we're
asked to do so much, right? But for me, it's really being that beautiful bottle. It's for

(01:00:31):
me being a woman is also understanding that masculine side of me and embracing the heck
out of it and allowing the femininity within me and understanding that they're not labels.
Right? And so being a woman is, you know, it's also I got to have my daughter. So I

(01:00:54):
mean, that's the real answer. Right. But no, I mean, honestly, I didn't really hear what
you said. I said I got to have my daughter, right? I got to be, you know, have her. But
being a woman is, to me, it's just, it's, I don't even know if I have words for it.
It's just so beautiful. You know, it's so beautiful to feel. It's so beautiful to be.

(01:01:14):
It's so beautiful to exist. It's just beautiful. And I know that that sounds redundant, but
I don't know that I have anything else to say about it, you know?
I just can't embrace it. I love this answer. Yeah. Yeah. So for the people listening and
watching, where can they find you? How can they work with you? Tell us all the things

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of what you're up to. Yeah, yeah, sure. So I, my website is heartandsoulhealing, because
I don't think that we can heal if we don't have our heart and our soul in order for it
to be ready to do that. So it's heartandsoulhealing. You can find me on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook.
I post a lot of reels, you know, just because, again, I'm hoping I'm answering some, I know
that I am, right? And that's not an ego thing. But maybe that one thing that I say is the

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one thing that makes you do yoga or invites you on your journey to see anger in a different
light or whatever the case may be. I do energy healing. And so, you know, you can also, I
have packages on my website for energy healing. And really right now, I think what I'm being
called to do is to help me this bridge for people. And so I'm right now developing a

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really cool membership program where it's called where we have soulful seekers, right?
Because we all, most of us are on a journey and we want to heal and we don't know how.
And it feels so big and there's so many modalities. And so it's, it's this membership where we'll
have dedicated healers and the seekers. And how do we provide, you know, an easy way for

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you to learn more about these different modalities and see, try them on, you know, they'll be
hosting master classes and all sorts of really cool stuff, you know, just, you know, journal
prompts or just come just being in the vibration of the membership will help you. I mean, that's,
that's a real thing. And so it'll probably be live within the next month, which I'm super
excited for. And so that's really what I mean by this bridge, you know, and helping other

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healers, you know, connecting other healers with other people and in other just humans.
I just, I care so much. I really do. And I, you know, we all need to heal our wounds and
our programs. And I am more than happy to guide you through that. And also if it's not
me, that's okay. Find who is for you. Find who is for you. And it will constantly change.

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It will shift. You'll be called to different things at different times. Just be open. Just
be open. You know, I do a lot of speaking engagements. I have my own podcast, which
you were a guest on, the Alchemy of Abundance. And, you know, as much as I, I'm just here
to spread love. Isn't that too, like, again, you know, going back to love, like love is
beneath everything. Yeah. Not to sound like a, like a hippie, but like all you need is

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love. It's cool. Hippie it up. I love it.