April 22, 2025 • 49 mins
We're talking about healing the mother wound from the perspective of ancestral work today with Elizabeth Kipp who shares her insights on the impact of ancestral trauma on present experiences and the significance of self-love and grounding in personal growth.
Elizabeth Kipp is a Stress Management and Historical Trauma Specialist who uses Trauma-Trained and Yoga-Informed Addiction Recovery Coaching, Ancestral Clearing®, Compassionate Inquiry, and Yoga to help people with their healing. Elizabeth healed from over 40 years of chronic pain, including anxiety, panic attacks, and addiction.
In this chat, we explore how ancestral clearing can help you release burdens passed down through generations, and how understanding these connections can lead to healing and self-discovery. The conversation includes a guided meditation for ancestral clearing (40:57), emphasizing the importance of forgiveness and compassion in the healing process.
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In today's episode, we are talking about ancestral clearing, and we are going to be
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talking about the mother wound from the point of view of ancestral healing and ancestral
clearing. And there is going to be a part of the episode where it is a guided meditation
slash guided prayer that Elizabeth facilitates for us. And so if this is not your first time
listening to this episode, that portion of the episode where it starts, I will have that
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in the timestamps below. Let's dive into today's episode.
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into the show. Welcome to Openly Spoken, the podcast to
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help you show up, speak out, and be seen in healthy relationships. I am joined today by
Elizabeth Kipp. Elizabeth Kipp is a stress management and historical trauma specialist
who uses trauma trained and yoga informed addiction recovery coaching, ancestral clearing,
compassionate inquiry, and yoga to help people with their healing. Elizabeth healed from
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over 40 years of chronic pain, including anxiety, panic attacks, and addiction. Now in long
term recovery, she guides others to unleash their healing power, find freedom from suffering,
and live a thriving life. She is the international bestselling author of The Way Through Chronic
Pain, Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. Welcome to the show, Elizabeth.
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Well, thank you so much. That was a lovely introduction. I'm so glad to be here.
Yes, I'm glad to have you. So I'm curious as you come into this conversation, what is
coming in with you today? What is on your heart? What is it like to be you today?
Oh my goodness. Well, there's a lot happening in the world. There has been a lot happening.
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This year just kind of came in like a comet. My mantra, and I'm about to give a talk on
it in a week or so, my mantra has been think cosmically, act locally.
Ooh, I love that. That is how I have actually been able to stay.
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When I'm sitting in the center of the United States, the geographic center of the United
States is right down the road. I know this is kind of dramatic, but I feel like when
I do my grounding, that I'm helping ground the nation.
I don't think that's dramatic at all. I think energetically that has to be true.
Well, that was at least the intention there. I've been involved with Lin-Mitt Taggart's
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power of intention work for some time. Very interesting science there, kind of cause and
effect. Isn't that interesting? Energetically, sure. I think what we put out means something.
Think cosmically, keep track of my higher power. Act locally. What's the need of the
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moment? That's centering for me.
Think cosmically, act locally. I love it so much. It's so funny that you bring up the
power of intention work because someone just last week asked me to join one of their groups.
Is this the same author that invites readers to make groups where you sit and you set the
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same intention?
I don't know about that part. I know she has a big worldwide thing happening that started
on Saturday, I think it was, and goes for a five-day intention setting around one specific
intention. It's very interesting, that work. Now, what I thought was so interesting about
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that is that the... Just to see if that aligns with what you're talking about, is that Lin-Mitt
found that in groups of eight or more, that when you have a group intention, that not
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only does that other party, whatever your intention is being put on, the intention,
like healing a person, for instance, not only does that person have an increase in their
healing, but the group itself has an effect, has a positive effect on the group, which
is kind of interesting to me. I have a science background, so I'm always asking, what are
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the measurables? Can you repeat it? All that kind of stuff. We're actually here in Lawrence,
Kansas. There's a group of sound healers that we get together in groups of eight or more.
If other people want to come in, they're welcome. We have a core group of eight, and we do work
around the area with the intention of just healing. It's been very interesting. They
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asked me to come in. I do play the gong, but I'm not known... It wasn't part of my bio.
I'm not known as a sound... Like as a gong player. I do that because I'm a yoga teacher,
but every once in a while, I get with a group and play the gong. Actually, they asked me
to come in and run the ancestral clearing prayers with the sound, through the sound
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matrix, which is what we'll talk about around the mother, one of the ancestral clearing
work. It's prayer work, but it's addressing ancestral burden that we carry. It's helpful
to be able to release the burden that we carry from the ancestors to kind of help clear the
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landscape for us, so we're not burdened with that weight, if that makes sense.
Yeah. It kind of moving forward kind of clears the lens of what we see moving forward and
how we can act moving forward, because we're not acting for trauma.
Sure. Exactly. Well, it's the effects of trauma. For example, one of the things... There's
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the things that we... I do ancestor clearing as a kind of a regular thing kind of every
day somewhere on the planet with somebody. It's kind of bread and butter in my business.
One of the main... There's a couple of main themes. One of them is scarcity, and another
one is this worry energy. Think about both of those that our ancestors had times of scarcity
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that they had to address, and that had an impact and imprint in their lives. We'll get
into the mother wound in a minute. Women were pregnant when that happened, and then the
developing baby is swimming in the biology, the physiology of the mother, and that little
one is impacted, and the energy of worry, oh my goodness. That's got a whole physiology
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all by itself. Yeah.
It kind of gets imprinted in the lineage, and we clear for that a lot. Now, if we're burdened
with that scarcity energy and or worry energy that's not actually ours, but we kind of came
in with it, as you say, it's going to cloud the lens of the present moment experience
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because it's energy that's kind of locked in the system. It takes energy to hold all
that stuff. One of the things we find when we do this work is we feel lighter. Yeah,
it's kind of fun. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, it takes a lot of energy to hold up a certain world
view or perspective when it's not our actual truth, because when we are truth, there's
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a sense of surrender and relaxation, and we're just going through the world, being ourself.
Yeah, it's more of an expansive experience rather than contractive, and that's one sign
that I know for myself, because sometimes I can't tell what the cause is. We can get
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real complicated about it, but an expansive sensation is now I'm in alignment with the
flow, as it were. I'm in alignment with life. I'm not fighting life. I'm trying to manipulate
and all the things, but in the contractive, when I'm feeling contracted, now I'm attached
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to something. I'm forcing an outcome. I'm worried about them, and worry is in the future.
I'm not even in the present moment anymore. Right, that kind of thing. What's interesting
about the ancestral kind of concept is from a quantum physics point of view, the past,
present, and future exist all in the present moment. That's where we can access all of
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it. We access it through the present moment, which is why all possibility lies in the present
moment. It's a very powerful space to hang out, but the thing that people ask me, and
I have to give them my answer, which is not everybody's answer is my answer, I can't tell
is this mine, or is this my ancestors, or what is it? The way I look at it is in any
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given moment, we're affected by our individual, what we've gone through individually. That's
when we're affected by our family, what the family dynamics is going on, our community,
really the collective. You could kind of blow that up into the collective energy in the
present moment, and the ancestral. I can't really always tease that out, and I'm not
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really sure that you need to tease it out, because now you're getting into a mind game,
and we really want to get back in the body and the heart and kind of work from there.
People ask that question a lot, and I don't really know, I can't really tell the difference
between one and the other necessarily, unless if it's something that's in my life, worry
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energy is a good example, where I'm worried all the time, but I don't know why. That might
be an indication that it's not mine, but it's either in the collective or it's ancestral.
Right? Regardless of where it's coming from, we're still going to go into the body and
deal with it from that place and clear it from there.
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Yeah. I would love for you to explain for people listening, what is ancestral clearing?
And then because we want to talk about the mother wound, what is maybe a unique perspective
on what the mother wound is from that ancestral healing viewpoint?
Good questions. So ancestral clearing is actually a methodology that was pioneered by a man
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named Howard Wills. You can find him on our website, Arne's website. And then further
developed and is taught by a man named John Newton of healthbeyondbelief.com. He teaches
people how to actually do the practice. Anybody can do this practice. I've been in it since
2014. And it's basically a prayer practice. We're actually asking for the source of all
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it is, whatever you'd call the thing that created all this, we're asking it to help
us release that which no longer serves us. That's basically the... And we do it with
the humility and gratitude, that please and thank you. And we use the word forgive very
specifically to mean we're offering up that which no longer serves us.
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I'll give you an example. Since we're on the mother wound, I'll give you a little bit of
a personal example. My mother was very difficult to live with as a child. I got a lot of trauma.
I just was traumatized by all of that. And until I really did the work to heal that,
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I just had a lot of anger and frustration. I don't even know how to handle this relationship
and that kind of energy. And I never knew really how to clear that. I never knew what
to do with any of that. I knew that my mom was undiagnosed and untreated bipolar disorder.
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She was a chronic pain sufferer. And I had lots of empathy for her. And I gave her a
lot of, well, of course she's this way because she's got this thing. But that's giving her...
That's not attending to the wound that I have. That's kind of redirecting the energy and
it's not really attending to the mind needs, not getting that coming in that...
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It does help you understand a bit, but it's still not healing your...
That's right. Yeah. And so this practice of, I can't do this alone. I can't release this
alone. When I got into this practice, I began being able... I asked the creator, please
help me with this. Help me release whatever of this that no longer soars me, which was
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most of it. So not all of it, most of it. So it's just an example of how that offering
up thing works and why we do it. Because if we could have released the bird loop, we would
have. If we could have done it by ourselves, we would have and we haven't been able to.
So we ask a higher power, greater than me. And what's interesting about the practice
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is, as I said, I've been in it since 2014. I was first introduced in 2013 and then became
a practitioner in 2013. I began in 2014. I started as a practitioner and I have yet to
have some... I'm not saying what happened, but I'm just saying so far, no one has come
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to me with an issue that this practice hasn't been able to address. And I think that's...
So clearing. Yeah, I think it's amazing. I think that's
amazing. And let me tell you, people come in with issues and I have my experience and
my bona fides and stuff, but they bring... They come in... I'm not a therapist. They
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come in with things that I have no idea how to... I'm not the healer. I know how to do
the process and get out of the way and let creator have this relationship with the client.
And you see the results on a daily basis. It's quite humbling.
That's what I love about being a facilitator. You don't have the answers. You're just facilitating
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the experience for your clients to find the answers themselves.
At first in the beginning of a facilitator's journey, that might feel a little... I know
for me, at least you might have a little bit of anxiety of like, can I actually help people?
But you really just see as long as you are helping people make room for what truth is
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coming up within them, they're going to get something out of their time with you. Because
that's... Exactly.
That's all it's about is making room for what is true.
Exactly. And the other thing that we have in common in this space is in ancestor clearing,
we're going for an outcome and that it's a clear... And we're going for a clearing, but
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how much clearing occurs on the client side is not my call.
Yeah. And you probably can't force how much...
No, because then I think I'm doing the work and I'm not doing the work. We're just doing
the work. And the client and their presence and their working the process and their willingness
and their openness. So there's a whole dynamic going on there. All we're doing is we're directing
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just a little bit and then we're just out of the way. And that's a much more powerful...
It's really hard to describe. You said it well in terms of when we start, we're a little
bit anxious because we haven't actually trusted the process yet. And we're all a little bit
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evidence-based anyway. That's how we keep safe in the world. Proven to me and I'll believe
it. So we get our chops by doing. Yeah, for sure.
So and your second... So that's ancestor clearing is this practice. There's about 30 different
ways we can get at the burden just in terms of from the questions that we ask and the
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directions that we come in as practitioners. But creators, again, creators doing the work
and the client is... Clients' presences and willingness are the things that are important.
And the other thing is kind of interesting is you don't have to believe in a higher power
or creator or any of that for it to work. If you want help, that's all that's needed.
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It's just kind of interesting. And the way from a science point of view, the way I kind
of like, how does that work? It's like, you don't have to believe in gravity for it to
work on you. Right? I use that kind of that simile, that analogy to kind of explain, no,
you don't have to believe in creator. But if you want the help, you can get it. So that's
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kind of fun. So that's what ancestor clearing is. And when you ask me the question, what
is ancestor clearing? You're kind of asking me what's chocolate or what's ice cream because
you can't really understand what chocolate is or what ice cream is without experiencing
it. So I brought one way that we can bring in ancestor clearing in this format. And that's
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why I brought that in so we can do a clearing when you're ready. But I thought maybe we
talk a little bit about the mother world first. Yeah. So it's a big topic. I know. It's a
big topic. I actually literally just got out of a book club kind of meeting where we were
studying attachment theory and it got into the mother stuff. That was interesting. From
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an ancestral clearing point of view, we can look at the spiritual and we can look at the
science. Spiritual teachers have been telling us, and this is just not about the mother
world, this is just generally, that we come into this life with a gift and the burdens
of our ancestors. Science understands, has kind of understood that we pass things down
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through the DNA and the environment. So there's the DNA and then there's, which is the hardware.
It's like the hardware on the computer. And then there's the epigenetic, the software,
like what program are we putting on the computer? Those things all have an effect. And mostly
ancestor clearing looks at the epigenetic, this software aspect, which is the environment
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and our kind of predisposition to certain things happen in the environment and we act
in a certain way based on that software on the programming that we come in with. So if
we have an experience, just as a kind of an example to explain that, if we have an experience,
Rachel Yehuda and her team actually did work on this. If we have ancestors who were in
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the Holocaust and then you look at their descendants of people that experienced the Holocaust,
you see that they, the way that they handle stress hormones is different than the population
that didn't experience the Holocaust. That was amazing to me. Now, on another level,
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so that's for human. On another level, let's just look at mammals. There's a man that ran
a rat lab raising rats and all the baby rats are working in the common area, whether it's
playing in the common area one day and the guy that runs the rat lab takes a cat here,
these are baby rats, takes a cat here, drops it in the center and they all flee.
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Oh, wow.
But they've never met a cat.
Yeah, that's in their DNA.
So what is that? Another one is, now this is how it can be kind of interesting. We're
going around all the same. I think snakes are pretty amazing. I find them fascinating
and alluring and I almost got bitten by a copperhead because I didn't know it was a
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copperhead and they didn't bite, they're very gentle, but I just had no, I just didn't,
it was like I had to learn that on this lifetime on the planet, right? But I have made peace
with the spiders three different times in my life. I came in with a phobia, but like
a, it's just kind of like, I'm not even sure I would describe as a phobia. It's kind of
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like they're not allowed in my territory like that.
I can relate.
So that's been very interesting to me and this work has been very powerful and helping
me clear that. And I will take time because we want to spend time on the mother world,
and I'm just saying like, that's a whole story. But it gives you an example of some people
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are scared of snakes and spiders. Some people are, some are afraid of bees. I don't care
about bees particularly in terms of, I'm not afraid of them. Even when they sting me, I'm
like, well, you know, I guess I got in their way, right? So it's just a little bit different.
So we all have these different things that are imprinted in that basic software that
we kind of come in with.
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The model one is interesting because understanding the science there, when our grandmother was
pregnant with our mother, the egg that was us, when our mother was like months, a four
month old fetus, the egg that was us is develops.
Yeah. So now, yeah. So now we're spending time in our mother for all that time and we're
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spending time in our grandma. We're spending, so we're actually swimming in the energetic.
We talked about the energetic stuff and the physiology, all the chemistry, the biochemistry
that's going on there, all the things that, all the reactions to the emotional reactions
to whatever's happening, scarcity, worry, all the things. So that's profound. So we're
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affected by our mother and our grandmother, but it gets deeper than that because our grandmother
was in her grandmother and her grandmother was in her grandmother. And now we're going
all the way back and we're holding the imprints of the matriarchal lineage and we're never
going to get into the guys. We're just talking about the mother one today. So that's profound
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to me. And I talk about this fairly often, but every time I get to that part, I'm still
kind of blown away by that, that we're affected at that level. And it's just not something
I was raised understanding. It wasn't until, I don't even think science understood that
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until fairly recently.
Yeah. I don't even think I heard about it until three years ago or something. I don't
know if that was when it first was discovered or not, but what I find powerful about that
scientific discovery and about mother wound healing and even ancestral healing is for
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me from the experience part of it is that it takes me out of my own ego and experience.
And it reminds me that my individual view and my individual experience is somewhat of
an illusion. And this kind of work brings you back to, you are not you, you are all
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of your ancestors. You are part of this collective human family. And even with the spider thing,
for me, what helped me not, I don't kill spiders anymore. I used to, but now if I see one in
the house, I'll take it outside so it can live. Because for my mindfulness practice,
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even that same thing came up where it's like me and the spider are the same. The spider
is just in a spider body and I'm in a human body. And so all of this work kind of helps
you step back and gets you out of the like ego, you did this to me and all of that illusion
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stuff.
Yeah, the illusion of separation. I mean, you're over there and I'm over here and there
is that separation, but that's about where it ends. And like we said, wow, we're in the
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stream of the matriarchs, we're in the stream there. And we're in the stream of the collective
present moment matriarchs as well. And I just got the shivers again.
Me too.
Me too.
It's like, that's a lot. So when I get lost, when my mind has its way with me and convinces
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me, I'll take my power back and I'll say, I allow it to convince me that I'm lost and
I'm floating out somewhere that's on some periphery somewhere. This kind of stuff reminds
me that's just, that's an illusion, right? Because we're all, we're the sum of our experiences.
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One of the ways I kind of like to look at the information we come in with is from kind
of an evolution point of view. I studied evolutionary biology. I've got a foot in the biology world.
Mostly through plant science and ecosystems, but I studied animal behavior and I studied
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some evolutionary biology. And it seems to me that the system of, that we've got, we're
in pre-production, one generation after another, trial and error again and again, one generation
after another. There's information that's passed. And it seems to me that the couple
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things, one is whatever I came in with and you came in with in this generation, the information
is the system's best guess at what we're going to have to deal with. Right? And if it's like
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other systems, which it seems to be, I'm not saying I know everything. I'm saying it's
what I perceive. It's what I kind of my hunch is that there's noise in the system. There's
give and take in the system. So some of the stuff we come in with is maybe we don't need
it. But most of the stuff we come in with, we're probably going to tap at some point
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in our life and that gets passed on and to my son, picked it up and moves on through
the generations. The trials and tribulations that we go through, they have an impact on
the physiology, on the energetic, all of it. And the way the system passes it on is through
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this reproductive method. Just in terms of that kind of ancestry, then we talked about
the immediate, the collective and that influence as well, but we're really, it's there as well.
But the mother wound comes in honestly, but it's not necessarily fixed. So we come in
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with the burdens of the mothers, but we could heal them. That's what's so beautiful about
ancestral clearing is great at that. Yoga is great at that. There's other ancestral
healing methods that are helpful and you probably know some stuff that I don't even, some ways
that I don't even know about. But there are ways that like the shaman work, indigenous
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people, they know how to, they work with this energy. So it's not like we're stuck with
it. We have the power to affect our reality. And like we said, it's an epigenetics, the
software so we can change the programming.
So then what's going on when we're coming in with the information of and burden of all
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the mothers before us and we are born to a mother who isn't able to have a healthy relationship
with us.
Yeah. That's, that's, that's an example of my experience. I think we both had that experience.
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Well I'll tell you how I dealt with it. I, I'm, I got by on my wits because I didn't
really have any tools. The tools were what I came in with. Like it was kind of for me,
it was like, sit down, shut up. Nobody wants to hear from you. And, and if I didn't do
those things, there was hell to pay. So I learned to withdraw. And that's a strategy
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that I, I didn't, I didn't think that up. It was there. It was, it was slightly quiet.
You know, that's fight, flight, shut down.
You're keeping yourself safe.
Exactly. Yeah. So the first thing, the first thing that we come in is, is how do we stay
safe in this world? Generally the, the way that, I mean, I could get into that too, but
the way there's a final brain generally works is it's like fight, flight, and then the shutdown
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is the third option. The problem that I see with that shutdown, where we're told, sit
down, be quiet, or there's going to be hell to pay. And now we've got the energy in our
body and we don't know what to do with it. And, but somehow in the system, there is a
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way that we know how to suppress it. Now it, it, it doesn't, in the, in the short term,
it serves us because it keeps us safe. But when we keep using that again and again, now
we're in chronic stress and now we're on that hyper, now we've got a stress response stuck
in the on position. It never has a chance to be at balance and go back in the off position.
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Now we're hypervision all the time. Now we've learned to walk in the world because we're
walking on edge shells and, and wherever we put our foot, maybe it's going to be a problem.
Now we've taught the nervous system, this is how we do life. And that's caustic. This,
this is called chronic stress. This is why I do what I do. This is why I do the ancestral
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piece first with everybody, because we, if we carry that stuff and we can release the
ancestral burden, then we could begin to do the work in the present moment to rewire the
brain and the nervous system to act in a different way. We come in wired with like, there are
only so many strategies that we have to keep ourselves safe and they're all predictable.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. So that's, that's the answer to your question. If that's, if
that's kind of what you were looking for. Yeah. There's also, you said fight, flight
and freeze. Do you also know about the fawn response? Yeah, there's the fawn, there's
the people pleasing. That's another, there's the accommodating and then there's the, there's
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Stephen Porges talks about one other that's kind of like negotiating, like only he has
a different word for us, another A word. But there, there, there are different, different
ways of finding safety in the world. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You mentioned that scarcity
and worry comes up a lot in ancestral healing. What have you seen comes up with mother wound
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healing? Is it the same two things or are there different things?
Actually, I don't really see scarcity and worry energy with the mother wound so much.
I see a lot of heart chakra stuff. Well, and that's what's interesting is when we work
with the heart, just because I have a yoga practice and I'm a yoga teacher and I'll always
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be a student of yoga, but I have studied a lot. If there's an issue with an up, so there's
seven chakras, main chakras that we work with and the heart is the fourth chakra. And if
we, if we're doing work, if we notice that there's an imbalance in the heart chakra,
which would be like jealousy, betrayal, unrequited love, you know, self-worth, all, you know,
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self-esteem issues, those kinds of things. We actually have to start, make sure that
the, that the, the lower three chakras are also cleared before we can even clear the
fourth one. In ancestral clearing, I always go with when I see a heart thing with the
mother wound, I always start at the base, which is like family, relationships, safety,
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resources. So we're always clearing for that stuff. And then we work on creative energy
and that, and that second chakra, creative energy, sexual hurts and wrongs, things like
that. And then the solar plexus is standing in your power, shame, guilt, those kinds of
things. So, you know, if you've got, we, we really, we see, we hear it from the client
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in the heart, but we begin below that and we clear for all those different aspects.
I really see the, the mother wound as all those four chakras. And then the other thing
that's interesting when we get up into, of course, that can be the throat as well, which
is that like, I don't have a voice. I'm not allowed to speak up or lies we were told or
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lies we told others or another one. So around the throes kind of interesting is trying to
keep the truth from spilling out. Yes. Right. There's that one. Right. And then when you
get up into the third eye and the crown chakra, the one of the, I mean, there's many things
that we clear for that, but the one I wanted to bring in here was that the energy of the
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betrayal or the where's the love or the self-esteem or the shame or whatever the thing is that's
kind of feeding into the heart wound, that mother wound can show up. The energy alone
can show up as a kind of a bully energy itself, that its energy alone is this controlling,
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controlling energy trying to give you an example. Kind of an inner critic kind of. Yeah. An
inner critic is a good example where you're actually bullied by the energy that you're
experiencing. And that that's a wound that's up in the upper two chakras. So we clear for
that. I mean, there are many, like I said, there's many intuitive things. There's all
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kinds of other things that we clear for, but that one in particular, that kind of immense
energy of a controlling dictator, which I call bullying energy, that energy I feel comes
from the mother wound. That's not the only place that that energy comes from, but the
mother wound actually can have that. Yeah. And if at the level of the throat chakra you're
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preventing the truth from spilling out, then up in the third eye, there can be a lot of
just like overriding your intuition. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. It's like ignoring it. Yeah.
Yeah. Because if this is blocked, now we've got, we're going to have issues with intuition
and connection to higher power. But those are kind of the main two. But there's other
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things, but those are kind of the main two in the upper two chakras. But like I said,
it feels to me like it's really a heart wound. And of course we have to clear the safety
and all that, the lower chakras. But the more I do the work, and maybe you notice this in
your work, not only does the client get cleared, but my stuff gets cleared because we're both
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working in the present moment and we're working with creator energy and we get cleared. And
one of the things that I've noticed over the years, especially maybe in the last, I don't
know, nine months or so, is that just huge heart opening, huge heart opening, like way
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huge expansive heart in me, which I never even imagined was possible. Thank you. Well,
what was interesting was I was listening to a British woman who does astrology. She's
well known, but I can't remember her name right now. And she was talking about the astrology
of the time as being this huge heart opening time. And I know Lee Harris has talked about
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the cosmic heart and someone else is talking about the sacred heart. So there's a lot of
people that are kind of talking about heart energy right now. And that's actually been
my lived experience is it's been much more heart opening. So very helpful that we do
this work. Yeah, I've experienced the heart opening as well in my personal practice with
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the mother wound, because the more I like the most recent healing I've been doing is
really making space to grieve what I didn't have like in deeper ways than ever before.
Because I've been working on my mother wound for 10 years. As I process and digest the
grief and even make room to feel the rage and the anger I feel when I really make space
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for that and that is, you know, that energy is done with me and it moves on. The only
thing that is left that's present is a deep, deep love for my mother. There you go. And
then I'm like, that makes so much sense. Because if I didn't love her, I wouldn't care that,
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you know, all of these unmet needs that I had, it makes total sense. And that I think,
you know, that's a space you have to have patience for to get to with the mother wound
because what that then opens up is you have compassion, more compassion for your mom.
It's really hard to have compassion for someone that you view as someone who hurt you. Or
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as a threat. Or as a threat or as deendrous to you or someone you need very strong boundaries
with because if you go straight to the compassion and straight to the forgiveness and even straight
to the gratitude because I honestly, I wouldn't change a thing about my life. I'm grateful
for it. But if you try to go to that from the beginning of your healing journey, you're
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just gaslighting your own emotions.
Yeah. That's going to short circuit the whole situation.
Yeah. You have to get there organically whenever you're ready. It's like what you were saying
about the ancestral clearing. It's not up to you how much clearing happens.
Yeah. It's really between you and creator. Speaking of which, I'd love to do a short
clean and maybe take me about three minutes to do a clearing for everyone. Is that okay?
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Sure.
Is it clearing? Yeah. If you feel safe to do so, yeah, close your eyes. We'll do this
for us and we'll use divine creator as our source, higher power than name for our higher
power. I don't think it cares what we call it. I don't think it has an ego, but we'll
call it divine creator. Wherever you are, if you feel safe to do so, close your eyes.
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Notice what sensation you feel in your body. I feel my sitting bones on the chair and my
feet on the floor. I have a little bit of sensation in my left arm, upper and lower
arm. I give all that sensation and a scale from zero to 10, I would give it about a three
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and a half. Just notice what that is for you and where the sensation is. I just let these
breathe normally and let these words just pass over you.
Divine creator, all that you are, thank you for the gift of life and connection. We ask
Cumbly that you please help us in all our relationships and all of our ancestors and
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all of their relationships throughout all space, time, timelines, lives, lifetimes,
realms and incarnations. For any time there was a rupture in the relationship between
mother and child in the womb, through the birth experience as a newborn or at any other
time and for all that led up to it and arose from it, including unhealthy beliefs or limitations,
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or poor boundaries, an unrealized sense of self or poor self-esteem. Please help us all,
everyone involved, to forgive one another and forgive ourselves. Please and thank you.
Remembering we use the word forgive to mean offering up that which no longer serves us.
For any time mothers felt fearful or powerless in the face of the experience of conception,
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gestation or birth and any adverse effects this had on both the mother and the child,
for all injustice, anger, regret were let down around any unhealthy womb or birth experiences,
including sexual diseases, miscarriage or abortion, and for any guilt or shame that
followed. For any time anyone felt a sense of shame or that there was something wrong
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with them but they didn't know why, please help us all to forgive and release everyone
involved and help us forgive and release ourselves. Please and thank you. For any codependence
that developed between mothers and children through the entire lineage and for all that
arose from it, including but not limited to caretaking others to the point of resentment
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and exhaustion, for neediness or feeling we had to have the approval of others in order
to act rather than stand on our own power and act from there. Please help everyone involved
directly or indirectly to forgive and release one another and forgive and release themselves.
Please and thank you. For any time women felt the weight of the obligation to bear children
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but didn't experience the joy of it, and for all that the children felt because of it,
for any time anyone felt the pressure of having to live the unrealized dreams of the mother
rather than their own, for any time anyone felt they had to play it small in life rather
than rise to their full potential, please help everyone involved to forgive one another
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and forgive themselves, please and thank you.
Divine Creator please help all the mothers forgive all the children, help all the children
forgive all the mothers, help all the fathers forgive all the children and all the children
forgive all the fathers, help all the women forgive all the men and help all the men forgive
all the women. Please help them all forgive each other throughout the entire lineage,
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for all that happened and didn't happen, and for all anyone made it mean, and for all
let down because of it, for all of it, for once and for all, now and forever.
Please and thank you.
Please and thank you.
Please and thank you.
Just take a nice big breath in and let it out and notice how that feels, if it's bigger,
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smaller or different than when you started.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
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That was so lovely.
I can't wait to listen back to it too and do it again.
Beautiful.
Yeah, the replay is just as powerful because we're working in the present moment, remember,
and we can access past, present and future all at once.
I would love to transition into questions I ask every guest at the end.
There you go.
The first one is, what does self-love mean to you?
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Oh my goodness.
Peace within.
Peace within.
Anything that I do that helps me find peace within is self-love.
And what makes you feel the most grounded?
I would say where are my sitting bones and where are my feet because that reminds me
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that I'm supported.
Asking yourself that question.
Yeah.
But reminding myself where my feet are and where my sitting bones are and noticing that
the breath is breathing me.
So life is flowing through me and the ground, the earth is supporting me.
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So what's the problem?
There's no problem right in the moment.
So there's grounding and centering right there.
Yeah, that's very helpful for me.
I know it sounds really simple, but try it.
Can you share, because you have that biology experience and research, can you share there
is when we're breathing, we're not actually sucking in air, there's just a muscle that
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we're relaxing and because of the difference in air pressure, our breath is happening on
its own.
So that's the diaphragm, right?
The diaphragm of muscle, which is the largest muscle in the body.
I think the heart is the strongest muscle, but the diaphragm is the largest muscle in
the body.
And so when we breathe in, it goes down and when we exhale, it comes up again.
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And just the pressure, just that is what provides it.
The heart of course is connected into the...
So those two are connected.
Now that's true that the breath breeds us and there's a lot of power in conscious breathing.
Oh yeah, for sure.
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When you actually leverage the power of the breath, there's a lot of power there.
And I think the answer is your question.
Yeah.
It should go on and on because I teach courses on this.
What is your favorite part about being a woman?
My heart.
And because of the topic of this call, because you mentioned that you have a son, I would
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love to know what your favorite part is about being a mother.
This is all heart related work.
I really feel, this may sound strange, but I think any other mother will get this.
The most powerful lesson that my child has taught me is how deep, how vast the well of
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love is in the heart.
And I don't want anybody to take that the wrong way.
This child came in like a love bomb.
He's a very loving person.
This was just been an experience.
It's very hard to put words around because it's physical, but this is the thing.
How vast the heart energy really is.
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Yeah, I can imagine.
So for people who have tuned in, let us know where we can connect with you and anything
you'd like to share about your work.
Oh, sure.
You can find me at my website, which is my name, Elizabeth with a hyphen between my first
and last name, Elizabeth, the dash kip.com.
All my social media is there.
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There's lots of free resources, events, all things I'm up to.
You can find me either on social media or you can find on my website.
So yeah.
Perfect.
And that will be linked in the show notes.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
In today's episode, we are talking about ancestral clearing, and we are going to be
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talking about the mother wound from the point of view of ancestral healing and ancestral
clearing. And there is going to be a part of the episode where it is a guided meditation
slash guided prayer that Elizabeth facilitates for us. And so if this is not your first time
listening to this episode, that portion of the episode where it starts, I will have that
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in the timestamps below. Let's dive into today's episode.
Welcome to Openly Spoken, the podcast to help you show up, speak out, and be seen in healthy
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relationships. On the show, we talk about self love, sexuality, relationship tips, including
ending the cycle of toxic relationships, and healing and thriving after heartbreak. Hi,
I'm your host CIlia, and I'm a certified sex love and relationship coach, helping ambitious
women with a history of toxic relationships feel deeply connected in healthy love. These
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are such important topics that every woman deserves. So if you could leave this show
a rating and a review on Apple podcasts or Spotify to help more women find this, it would
mean the absolute world to me. Thank you so much for being here today. Now let's dive
into the show. Welcome to Openly Spoken, the podcast to
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help you show up, speak out, and be seen in healthy relationships. I am joined today by
Elizabeth Kipp. Elizabeth Kipp is a stress management and historical trauma specialist
who uses trauma trained and yoga informed addiction recovery coaching, ancestral clearing,
compassionate inquiry, and yoga to help people with their healing. Elizabeth healed from
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over 40 years of chronic pain, including anxiety, panic attacks, and addiction. Now in long
term recovery, she guides others to unleash their healing power, find freedom from suffering,
and live a thriving life. She is the international bestselling author of The Way Through Chronic
Pain, Tools to Reclaim Your Healing Power. Welcome to the show, Elizabeth.
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Well, thank you so much. That was a lovely introduction. I'm so glad to be here.
Yes, I'm glad to have you. So I'm curious as you come into this conversation, what is
coming in with you today? What is on your heart? What is it like to be you today?
Oh my goodness. Well, there's a lot happening in the world. There has been a lot happening.
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This year just kind of came in like a comet. My mantra, and I'm about to give a talk on
it in a week or so, my mantra has been think cosmically, act locally.
Ooh, I love that. That is how I have actually been able to stay.
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When I'm sitting in the center of the United States, the geographic center of the United
States is right down the road. I know this is kind of dramatic, but I feel like when
I do my grounding, that I'm helping ground the nation.
I don't think that's dramatic at all. I think energetically that has to be true.
Well, that was at least the intention there. I've been involved with Lin-Mitt Taggart's
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power of intention work for some time. Very interesting science there, kind of cause and
effect. Isn't that interesting? Energetically, sure. I think what we put out means something.
Think cosmically, keep track of my higher power. Act locally. What's the need of the
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moment? That's centering for me.
Think cosmically, act locally. I love it so much. It's so funny that you bring up the
power of intention work because someone just last week asked me to join one of their groups.
Is this the same author that invites readers to make groups where you sit and you set the
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same intention?
I don't know about that part. I know she has a big worldwide thing happening that started
on Saturday, I think it was, and goes for a five-day intention setting around one specific
intention. It's very interesting, that work. Now, what I thought was so interesting about
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that is that the... Just to see if that aligns with what you're talking about, is that Lin-Mitt
found that in groups of eight or more, that when you have a group intention, that not
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only does that other party, whatever your intention is being put on, the intention,
like healing a person, for instance, not only does that person have an increase in their
healing, but the group itself has an effect, has a positive effect on the group, which
is kind of interesting to me. I have a science background, so I'm always asking, what are
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the measurables? Can you repeat it? All that kind of stuff. We're actually here in Lawrence,
Kansas. There's a group of sound healers that we get together in groups of eight or more.
If other people want to come in, they're welcome. We have a core group of eight, and we do work
around the area with the intention of just healing. It's been very interesting. They
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asked me to come in. I do play the gong, but I'm not known... It wasn't part of my bio.
I'm not known as a sound... Like as a gong player. I do that because I'm a yoga teacher,
but every once in a while, I get with a group and play the gong. Actually, they asked me
to come in and run the ancestral clearing prayers with the sound, through the sound
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matrix, which is what we'll talk about around the mother, one of the ancestral clearing
work. It's prayer work, but it's addressing ancestral burden that we carry. It's helpful
to be able to release the burden that we carry from the ancestors to kind of help clear the
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landscape for us, so we're not burdened with that weight, if that makes sense.
Yeah. It kind of moving forward kind of clears the lens of what we see moving forward and
how we can act moving forward, because we're not acting for trauma.
Sure. Exactly. Well, it's the effects of trauma. For example, one of the things... There's
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the things that we... I do ancestor clearing as a kind of a regular thing kind of every
day somewhere on the planet with somebody. It's kind of bread and butter in my business.
One of the main... There's a couple of main themes. One of them is scarcity, and another
one is this worry energy. Think about both of those that our ancestors had times of scarcity
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that they had to address, and that had an impact and imprint in their lives. We'll get
into the mother wound in a minute. Women were pregnant when that happened, and then the
developing baby is swimming in the biology, the physiology of the mother, and that little
one is impacted, and the energy of worry, oh my goodness. That's got a whole physiology
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all by itself. Yeah.
It kind of gets imprinted in the lineage, and we clear for that a lot. Now, if we're burdened
with that scarcity energy and or worry energy that's not actually ours, but we kind of came
in with it, as you say, it's going to cloud the lens of the present moment experience
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because it's energy that's kind of locked in the system. It takes energy to hold all
that stuff. One of the things we find when we do this work is we feel lighter. Yeah,
it's kind of fun. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, it takes a lot of energy to hold up a certain world
view or perspective when it's not our actual truth, because when we are truth, there's
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a sense of surrender and relaxation, and we're just going through the world, being ourself.
Yeah, it's more of an expansive experience rather than contractive, and that's one sign
that I know for myself, because sometimes I can't tell what the cause is. We can get
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real complicated about it, but an expansive sensation is now I'm in alignment with the
flow, as it were. I'm in alignment with life. I'm not fighting life. I'm trying to manipulate
and all the things, but in the contractive, when I'm feeling contracted, now I'm attached
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to something. I'm forcing an outcome. I'm worried about them, and worry is in the future.
I'm not even in the present moment anymore. Right, that kind of thing. What's interesting
about the ancestral kind of concept is from a quantum physics point of view, the past,
present, and future exist all in the present moment. That's where we can access all of
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it. We access it through the present moment, which is why all possibility lies in the present
moment. It's a very powerful space to hang out, but the thing that people ask me, and
I have to give them my answer, which is not everybody's answer is my answer, I can't tell
is this mine, or is this my ancestors, or what is it? The way I look at it is in any
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given moment, we're affected by our individual, what we've gone through individually. That's
when we're affected by our family, what the family dynamics is going on, our community,
really the collective. You could kind of blow that up into the collective energy in the
present moment, and the ancestral. I can't really always tease that out, and I'm not
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really sure that you need to tease it out, because now you're getting into a mind game,
and we really want to get back in the body and the heart and kind of work from there.
People ask that question a lot, and I don't really know, I can't really tell the difference
between one and the other necessarily, unless if it's something that's in my life, worry
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energy is a good example, where I'm worried all the time, but I don't know why. That might
be an indication that it's not mine, but it's either in the collective or it's ancestral.
Right? Regardless of where it's coming from, we're still going to go into the body and
deal with it from that place and clear it from there.
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Yeah. I would love for you to explain for people listening, what is ancestral clearing?
And then because we want to talk about the mother wound, what is maybe a unique perspective
on what the mother wound is from that ancestral healing viewpoint?
Good questions. So ancestral clearing is actually a methodology that was pioneered by a man
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named Howard Wills. You can find him on our website, Arne's website. And then further
developed and is taught by a man named John Newton of healthbeyondbelief.com. He teaches
people how to actually do the practice. Anybody can do this practice. I've been in it since
2014. And it's basically a prayer practice. We're actually asking for the source of all
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it is, whatever you'd call the thing that created all this, we're asking it to help
us release that which no longer serves us. That's basically the... And we do it with
the humility and gratitude, that please and thank you. And we use the word forgive very
specifically to mean we're offering up that which no longer serves us.
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I'll give you an example. Since we're on the mother wound, I'll give you a little bit of
a personal example. My mother was very difficult to live with as a child. I got a lot of trauma.
I just was traumatized by all of that. And until I really did the work to heal that,
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I just had a lot of anger and frustration. I don't even know how to handle this relationship
and that kind of energy. And I never knew really how to clear that. I never knew what
to do with any of that. I knew that my mom was undiagnosed and untreated bipolar disorder.
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She was a chronic pain sufferer. And I had lots of empathy for her. And I gave her a
lot of, well, of course she's this way because she's got this thing. But that's giving her...
That's not attending to the wound that I have. That's kind of redirecting the energy and
it's not really attending to the mind needs, not getting that coming in that...
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It does help you understand a bit, but it's still not healing your...
That's right. Yeah. And so this practice of, I can't do this alone. I can't release this
alone. When I got into this practice, I began being able... I asked the creator, please
help me with this. Help me release whatever of this that no longer soars me, which was
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most of it. So not all of it, most of it. So it's just an example of how that offering
up thing works and why we do it. Because if we could have released the bird loop, we would
have. If we could have done it by ourselves, we would have and we haven't been able to.
So we ask a higher power, greater than me. And what's interesting about the practice
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is, as I said, I've been in it since 2014. I was first introduced in 2013 and then became
a practitioner in 2013. I began in 2014. I started as a practitioner and I have yet to
have some... I'm not saying what happened, but I'm just saying so far, no one has come
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to me with an issue that this practice hasn't been able to address. And I think that's...
So clearing. Yeah, I think it's amazing. I think that's
amazing. And let me tell you, people come in with issues and I have my experience and
my bona fides and stuff, but they bring... They come in... I'm not a therapist. They
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come in with things that I have no idea how to... I'm not the healer. I know how to do
the process and get out of the way and let creator have this relationship with the client.
And you see the results on a daily basis. It's quite humbling.
That's what I love about being a facilitator. You don't have the answers. You're just facilitating
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the experience for your clients to find the answers themselves.
At first in the beginning of a facilitator's journey, that might feel a little... I know
for me, at least you might have a little bit of anxiety of like, can I actually help people?
But you really just see as long as you are helping people make room for what truth is
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coming up within them, they're going to get something out of their time with you. Because
that's... Exactly.
That's all it's about is making room for what is true.
Exactly. And the other thing that we have in common in this space is in ancestor clearing,
we're going for an outcome and that it's a clear... And we're going for a clearing, but
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how much clearing occurs on the client side is not my call.
Yeah. And you probably can't force how much...
No, because then I think I'm doing the work and I'm not doing the work. We're just doing
the work. And the client and their presence and their working the process and their willingness
and their openness. So there's a whole dynamic going on there. All we're doing is we're directing
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just a little bit and then we're just out of the way. And that's a much more powerful...
It's really hard to describe. You said it well in terms of when we start, we're a little
bit anxious because we haven't actually trusted the process yet. And we're all a little bit
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evidence-based anyway. That's how we keep safe in the world. Proven to me and I'll believe
it. So we get our chops by doing. Yeah, for sure.
So and your second... So that's ancestor clearing is this practice. There's about 30 different
ways we can get at the burden just in terms of from the questions that we ask and the
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directions that we come in as practitioners. But creators, again, creators doing the work
and the client is... Clients' presences and willingness are the things that are important.
And the other thing is kind of interesting is you don't have to believe in a higher power
or creator or any of that for it to work. If you want help, that's all that's needed.
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It's just kind of interesting. And the way from a science point of view, the way I kind
of like, how does that work? It's like, you don't have to believe in gravity for it to
work on you. Right? I use that kind of that simile, that analogy to kind of explain, no,
you don't have to believe in creator. But if you want the help, you can get it. So that's
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kind of fun. So that's what ancestor clearing is. And when you ask me the question, what
is ancestor clearing? You're kind of asking me what's chocolate or what's ice cream because
you can't really understand what chocolate is or what ice cream is without experiencing
it. So I brought one way that we can bring in ancestor clearing in this format. And that's
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why I brought that in so we can do a clearing when you're ready. But I thought maybe we
talk a little bit about the mother world first. Yeah. So it's a big topic. I know. It's a
big topic. I actually literally just got out of a book club kind of meeting where we were
studying attachment theory and it got into the mother stuff. That was interesting. From
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an ancestral clearing point of view, we can look at the spiritual and we can look at the
science. Spiritual teachers have been telling us, and this is just not about the mother
world, this is just generally, that we come into this life with a gift and the burdens
of our ancestors. Science understands, has kind of understood that we pass things down
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through the DNA and the environment. So there's the DNA and then there's, which is the hardware.
It's like the hardware on the computer. And then there's the epigenetic, the software,
like what program are we putting on the computer? Those things all have an effect. And mostly
ancestor clearing looks at the epigenetic, this software aspect, which is the environment
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and our kind of predisposition to certain things happen in the environment and we act
in a certain way based on that software on the programming that we come in with. So if
we have an experience, just as a kind of an example to explain that, if we have an experience,
Rachel Yehuda and her team actually did work on this. If we have ancestors who were in
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the Holocaust and then you look at their descendants of people that experienced the Holocaust,
you see that they, the way that they handle stress hormones is different than the population
that didn't experience the Holocaust. That was amazing to me. Now, on another level,
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so that's for human. On another level, let's just look at mammals. There's a man that ran
a rat lab raising rats and all the baby rats are working in the common area, whether it's
playing in the common area one day and the guy that runs the rat lab takes a cat here,
these are baby rats, takes a cat here, drops it in the center and they all flee.
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Oh, wow.
But they've never met a cat.
Yeah, that's in their DNA.
So what is that? Another one is, now this is how it can be kind of interesting. We're
going around all the same. I think snakes are pretty amazing. I find them fascinating
and alluring and I almost got bitten by a copperhead because I didn't know it was a
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copperhead and they didn't bite, they're very gentle, but I just had no, I just didn't,
it was like I had to learn that on this lifetime on the planet, right? But I have made peace
with the spiders three different times in my life. I came in with a phobia, but like
a, it's just kind of like, I'm not even sure I would describe as a phobia. It's kind of
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like they're not allowed in my territory like that.
I can relate.
So that's been very interesting to me and this work has been very powerful and helping
me clear that. And I will take time because we want to spend time on the mother world,
and I'm just saying like, that's a whole story. But it gives you an example of some people
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are scared of snakes and spiders. Some people are, some are afraid of bees. I don't care
about bees particularly in terms of, I'm not afraid of them. Even when they sting me, I'm
like, well, you know, I guess I got in their way, right? So it's just a little bit different.
So we all have these different things that are imprinted in that basic software that
we kind of come in with.
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The model one is interesting because understanding the science there, when our grandmother was
pregnant with our mother, the egg that was us, when our mother was like months, a four
month old fetus, the egg that was us is develops.
Yeah. So now, yeah. So now we're spending time in our mother for all that time and we're
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spending time in our grandma. We're spending, so we're actually swimming in the energetic.
We talked about the energetic stuff and the physiology, all the chemistry, the biochemistry
that's going on there, all the things that, all the reactions to the emotional reactions
to whatever's happening, scarcity, worry, all the things. So that's profound. So we're
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affected by our mother and our grandmother, but it gets deeper than that because our grandmother
was in her grandmother and her grandmother was in her grandmother. And now we're going
all the way back and we're holding the imprints of the matriarchal lineage and we're never
going to get into the guys. We're just talking about the mother one today. So that's profound
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to me. And I talk about this fairly often, but every time I get to that part, I'm still
kind of blown away by that, that we're affected at that level. And it's just not something
I was raised understanding. It wasn't until, I don't even think science understood that
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until fairly recently.
Yeah. I don't even think I heard about it until three years ago or something. I don't
know if that was when it first was discovered or not, but what I find powerful about that
scientific discovery and about mother wound healing and even ancestral healing is for
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me from the experience part of it is that it takes me out of my own ego and experience.
And it reminds me that my individual view and my individual experience is somewhat of
an illusion. And this kind of work brings you back to, you are not you, you are all
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of your ancestors. You are part of this collective human family. And even with the spider thing,
for me, what helped me not, I don't kill spiders anymore. I used to, but now if I see one in
the house, I'll take it outside so it can live. Because for my mindfulness practice,
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even that same thing came up where it's like me and the spider are the same. The spider
is just in a spider body and I'm in a human body. And so all of this work kind of helps
you step back and gets you out of the like ego, you did this to me and all of that illusion
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stuff.
Yeah, the illusion of separation. I mean, you're over there and I'm over here and there
is that separation, but that's about where it ends. And like we said, wow, we're in the
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stream of the matriarchs, we're in the stream there. And we're in the stream of the collective
present moment matriarchs as well. And I just got the shivers again.
Me too.
Me too.
It's like, that's a lot. So when I get lost, when my mind has its way with me and convinces
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me, I'll take my power back and I'll say, I allow it to convince me that I'm lost and
I'm floating out somewhere that's on some periphery somewhere. This kind of stuff reminds
me that's just, that's an illusion, right? Because we're all, we're the sum of our experiences.
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One of the ways I kind of like to look at the information we come in with is from kind
of an evolution point of view. I studied evolutionary biology. I've got a foot in the biology world.
Mostly through plant science and ecosystems, but I studied animal behavior and I studied
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some evolutionary biology. And it seems to me that the system of, that we've got, we're
in pre-production, one generation after another, trial and error again and again, one generation
after another. There's information that's passed. And it seems to me that the couple
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things, one is whatever I came in with and you came in with in this generation, the information
is the system's best guess at what we're going to have to deal with. Right? And if it's like
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other systems, which it seems to be, I'm not saying I know everything. I'm saying it's
what I perceive. It's what I kind of my hunch is that there's noise in the system. There's
give and take in the system. So some of the stuff we come in with is maybe we don't need
it. But most of the stuff we come in with, we're probably going to tap at some point
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in our life and that gets passed on and to my son, picked it up and moves on through
the generations. The trials and tribulations that we go through, they have an impact on
the physiology, on the energetic, all of it. And the way the system passes it on is through
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this reproductive method. Just in terms of that kind of ancestry, then we talked about
the immediate, the collective and that influence as well, but we're really, it's there as well.
But the mother wound comes in honestly, but it's not necessarily fixed. So we come in
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with the burdens of the mothers, but we could heal them. That's what's so beautiful about
ancestral clearing is great at that. Yoga is great at that. There's other ancestral
healing methods that are helpful and you probably know some stuff that I don't even, some ways
that I don't even know about. But there are ways that like the shaman work, indigenous
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people, they know how to, they work with this energy. So it's not like we're stuck with
it. We have the power to affect our reality. And like we said, it's an epigenetics, the
software so we can change the programming.
So then what's going on when we're coming in with the information of and burden of all
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the mothers before us and we are born to a mother who isn't able to have a healthy relationship
with us.
Yeah. That's, that's, that's an example of my experience. I think we both had that experience.
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Well I'll tell you how I dealt with it. I, I'm, I got by on my wits because I didn't
really have any tools. The tools were what I came in with. Like it was kind of for me,
it was like, sit down, shut up. Nobody wants to hear from you. And, and if I didn't do
those things, there was hell to pay. So I learned to withdraw. And that's a strategy
(31:02):
that I, I didn't, I didn't think that up. It was there. It was, it was slightly quiet.
You know, that's fight, flight, shut down.
You're keeping yourself safe.
Exactly. Yeah. So the first thing, the first thing that we come in is, is how do we stay
safe in this world? Generally the, the way that, I mean, I could get into that too, but
the way there's a final brain generally works is it's like fight, flight, and then the shutdown
(31:27):
is the third option. The problem that I see with that shutdown, where we're told, sit
down, be quiet, or there's going to be hell to pay. And now we've got the energy in our
body and we don't know what to do with it. And, but somehow in the system, there is a
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way that we know how to suppress it. Now it, it, it doesn't, in the, in the short term,
it serves us because it keeps us safe. But when we keep using that again and again, now
we're in chronic stress and now we're on that hyper, now we've got a stress response stuck
in the on position. It never has a chance to be at balance and go back in the off position.
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Now we're hypervision all the time. Now we've learned to walk in the world because we're
walking on edge shells and, and wherever we put our foot, maybe it's going to be a problem.
Now we've taught the nervous system, this is how we do life. And that's caustic. This,
this is called chronic stress. This is why I do what I do. This is why I do the ancestral
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piece first with everybody, because we, if we carry that stuff and we can release the
ancestral burden, then we could begin to do the work in the present moment to rewire the
brain and the nervous system to act in a different way. We come in wired with like, there are
only so many strategies that we have to keep ourselves safe and they're all predictable.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. So that's, that's the answer to your question. If that's, if
that's kind of what you were looking for. Yeah. There's also, you said fight, flight
and freeze. Do you also know about the fawn response? Yeah, there's the fawn, there's
the people pleasing. That's another, there's the accommodating and then there's the, there's
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Stephen Porges talks about one other that's kind of like negotiating, like only he has
a different word for us, another A word. But there, there, there are different, different
ways of finding safety in the world. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You mentioned that scarcity
and worry comes up a lot in ancestral healing. What have you seen comes up with mother wound
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healing? Is it the same two things or are there different things?
Actually, I don't really see scarcity and worry energy with the mother wound so much.
I see a lot of heart chakra stuff. Well, and that's what's interesting is when we work
with the heart, just because I have a yoga practice and I'm a yoga teacher and I'll always
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be a student of yoga, but I have studied a lot. If there's an issue with an up, so there's
seven chakras, main chakras that we work with and the heart is the fourth chakra. And if
we, if we're doing work, if we notice that there's an imbalance in the heart chakra,
which would be like jealousy, betrayal, unrequited love, you know, self-worth, all, you know,
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self-esteem issues, those kinds of things. We actually have to start, make sure that
the, that the, the lower three chakras are also cleared before we can even clear the
fourth one. In ancestral clearing, I always go with when I see a heart thing with the
mother wound, I always start at the base, which is like family, relationships, safety,
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resources. So we're always clearing for that stuff. And then we work on creative energy
and that, and that second chakra, creative energy, sexual hurts and wrongs, things like
that. And then the solar plexus is standing in your power, shame, guilt, those kinds of
things. So, you know, if you've got, we, we really, we see, we hear it from the client
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in the heart, but we begin below that and we clear for all those different aspects.
I really see the, the mother wound as all those four chakras. And then the other thing
that's interesting when we get up into, of course, that can be the throat as well, which
is that like, I don't have a voice. I'm not allowed to speak up or lies we were told or
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lies we told others or another one. So around the throes kind of interesting is trying to
keep the truth from spilling out. Yes. Right. There's that one. Right. And then when you
get up into the third eye and the crown chakra, the one of the, I mean, there's many things
that we clear for that, but the one I wanted to bring in here was that the energy of the
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betrayal or the where's the love or the self-esteem or the shame or whatever the thing is that's
kind of feeding into the heart wound, that mother wound can show up. The energy alone
can show up as a kind of a bully energy itself, that its energy alone is this controlling,
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controlling energy trying to give you an example. Kind of an inner critic kind of. Yeah. An
inner critic is a good example where you're actually bullied by the energy that you're
experiencing. And that that's a wound that's up in the upper two chakras. So we clear for
that. I mean, there are many, like I said, there's many intuitive things. There's all
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kinds of other things that we clear for, but that one in particular, that kind of immense
energy of a controlling dictator, which I call bullying energy, that energy I feel comes
from the mother wound. That's not the only place that that energy comes from, but the
mother wound actually can have that. Yeah. And if at the level of the throat chakra you're
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preventing the truth from spilling out, then up in the third eye, there can be a lot of
just like overriding your intuition. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. It's like ignoring it. Yeah.
Yeah. Because if this is blocked, now we've got, we're going to have issues with intuition
and connection to higher power. But those are kind of the main two. But there's other
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things, but those are kind of the main two in the upper two chakras. But like I said,
it feels to me like it's really a heart wound. And of course we have to clear the safety
and all that, the lower chakras. But the more I do the work, and maybe you notice this in
your work, not only does the client get cleared, but my stuff gets cleared because we're both
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working in the present moment and we're working with creator energy and we get cleared. And
one of the things that I've noticed over the years, especially maybe in the last, I don't
know, nine months or so, is that just huge heart opening, huge heart opening, like way
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huge expansive heart in me, which I never even imagined was possible. Thank you. Well,
what was interesting was I was listening to a British woman who does astrology. She's
well known, but I can't remember her name right now. And she was talking about the astrology
of the time as being this huge heart opening time. And I know Lee Harris has talked about
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the cosmic heart and someone else is talking about the sacred heart. So there's a lot of
people that are kind of talking about heart energy right now. And that's actually been
my lived experience is it's been much more heart opening. So very helpful that we do
this work. Yeah, I've experienced the heart opening as well in my personal practice with
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the mother wound, because the more I like the most recent healing I've been doing is
really making space to grieve what I didn't have like in deeper ways than ever before.
Because I've been working on my mother wound for 10 years. As I process and digest the
grief and even make room to feel the rage and the anger I feel when I really make space
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for that and that is, you know, that energy is done with me and it moves on. The only
thing that is left that's present is a deep, deep love for my mother. There you go. And
then I'm like, that makes so much sense. Because if I didn't love her, I wouldn't care that,
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you know, all of these unmet needs that I had, it makes total sense. And that I think,
you know, that's a space you have to have patience for to get to with the mother wound
because what that then opens up is you have compassion, more compassion for your mom.
It's really hard to have compassion for someone that you view as someone who hurt you. Or
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as a threat. Or as a threat or as deendrous to you or someone you need very strong boundaries
with because if you go straight to the compassion and straight to the forgiveness and even straight
to the gratitude because I honestly, I wouldn't change a thing about my life. I'm grateful
for it. But if you try to go to that from the beginning of your healing journey, you're
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just gaslighting your own emotions.
Yeah. That's going to short circuit the whole situation.
Yeah. You have to get there organically whenever you're ready. It's like what you were saying
about the ancestral clearing. It's not up to you how much clearing happens.
Yeah. It's really between you and creator. Speaking of which, I'd love to do a short
clean and maybe take me about three minutes to do a clearing for everyone. Is that okay?
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Sure.
Is it clearing? Yeah. If you feel safe to do so, yeah, close your eyes. We'll do this
for us and we'll use divine creator as our source, higher power than name for our higher
power. I don't think it cares what we call it. I don't think it has an ego, but we'll
call it divine creator. Wherever you are, if you feel safe to do so, close your eyes.
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Notice what sensation you feel in your body. I feel my sitting bones on the chair and my
feet on the floor. I have a little bit of sensation in my left arm, upper and lower
arm. I give all that sensation and a scale from zero to 10, I would give it about a three
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and a half. Just notice what that is for you and where the sensation is. I just let these
breathe normally and let these words just pass over you.
Divine creator, all that you are, thank you for the gift of life and connection. We ask
Cumbly that you please help us in all our relationships and all of our ancestors and
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all of their relationships throughout all space, time, timelines, lives, lifetimes,
realms and incarnations. For any time there was a rupture in the relationship between
mother and child in the womb, through the birth experience as a newborn or at any other
time and for all that led up to it and arose from it, including unhealthy beliefs or limitations,
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or poor boundaries, an unrealized sense of self or poor self-esteem. Please help us all,
everyone involved, to forgive one another and forgive ourselves. Please and thank you.
Remembering we use the word forgive to mean offering up that which no longer serves us.
For any time mothers felt fearful or powerless in the face of the experience of conception,
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gestation or birth and any adverse effects this had on both the mother and the child,
for all injustice, anger, regret were let down around any unhealthy womb or birth experiences,
including sexual diseases, miscarriage or abortion, and for any guilt or shame that
followed. For any time anyone felt a sense of shame or that there was something wrong
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with them but they didn't know why, please help us all to forgive and release everyone
involved and help us forgive and release ourselves. Please and thank you. For any codependence
that developed between mothers and children through the entire lineage and for all that
arose from it, including but not limited to caretaking others to the point of resentment
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and exhaustion, for neediness or feeling we had to have the approval of others in order
to act rather than stand on our own power and act from there. Please help everyone involved
directly or indirectly to forgive and release one another and forgive and release themselves.
Please and thank you. For any time women felt the weight of the obligation to bear children
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but didn't experience the joy of it, and for all that the children felt because of it,
for any time anyone felt the pressure of having to live the unrealized dreams of the mother
rather than their own, for any time anyone felt they had to play it small in life rather
than rise to their full potential, please help everyone involved to forgive one another
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and forgive themselves, please and thank you.
Divine Creator please help all the mothers forgive all the children, help all the children
forgive all the mothers, help all the fathers forgive all the children and all the children
forgive all the fathers, help all the women forgive all the men and help all the men forgive
all the women. Please help them all forgive each other throughout the entire lineage,
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for all that happened and didn't happen, and for all anyone made it mean, and for all
let down because of it, for all of it, for once and for all, now and forever.
Please and thank you.
Please and thank you.
Please and thank you.
Just take a nice big breath in and let it out and notice how that feels, if it's bigger,
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smaller or different than when you started.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
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That was so lovely.
I can't wait to listen back to it too and do it again.
Beautiful.
Yeah, the replay is just as powerful because we're working in the present moment, remember,
and we can access past, present and future all at once.
I would love to transition into questions I ask every guest at the end.
There you go.
The first one is, what does self-love mean to you?
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Oh my goodness.
Peace within.
Peace within.
Anything that I do that helps me find peace within is self-love.
And what makes you feel the most grounded?
I would say where are my sitting bones and where are my feet because that reminds me
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that I'm supported.
Asking yourself that question.
Yeah.
But reminding myself where my feet are and where my sitting bones are and noticing that
the breath is breathing me.
So life is flowing through me and the ground, the earth is supporting me.
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So what's the problem?
There's no problem right in the moment.
So there's grounding and centering right there.
Yeah, that's very helpful for me.
I know it sounds really simple, but try it.
Can you share, because you have that biology experience and research, can you share there
is when we're breathing, we're not actually sucking in air, there's just a muscle that
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we're relaxing and because of the difference in air pressure, our breath is happening on
its own.
So that's the diaphragm, right?
The diaphragm of muscle, which is the largest muscle in the body.
I think the heart is the strongest muscle, but the diaphragm is the largest muscle in
the body.
And so when we breathe in, it goes down and when we exhale, it comes up again.
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And just the pressure, just that is what provides it.
The heart of course is connected into the...
So those two are connected.
Now that's true that the breath breeds us and there's a lot of power in conscious breathing.
Oh yeah, for sure.
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When you actually leverage the power of the breath, there's a lot of power there.
And I think the answer is your question.
Yeah.
It should go on and on because I teach courses on this.
What is your favorite part about being a woman?
My heart.
And because of the topic of this call, because you mentioned that you have a son, I would
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love to know what your favorite part is about being a mother.
This is all heart related work.
I really feel, this may sound strange, but I think any other mother will get this.
The most powerful lesson that my child has taught me is how deep, how vast the well of
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love is in the heart.
And I don't want anybody to take that the wrong way.
This child came in like a love bomb.
He's a very loving person.
This was just been an experience.
It's very hard to put words around because it's physical, but this is the thing.
How vast the heart energy really is.
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Yeah, I can imagine.
So for people who have tuned in, let us know where we can connect with you and anything
you'd like to share about your work.
Oh, sure.
You can find me at my website, which is my name, Elizabeth with a hyphen between my first
and last name, Elizabeth, the dash kip.com.
All my social media is there.
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There's lots of free resources, events, all things I'm up to.
You can find me either on social media or you can find on my website.
So yeah.
Perfect.
And that will be linked in the show notes.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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