POST SHOW :Top Sleeper TEs You Can't Ignore in 2025 Fantasy Drafts!

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Were you looking for tight ends?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
We have one last show before the draft and one
last position the cover for your fantasy football purposes. Lots
of debates, lots of things to talk about, and it
all starts now on Operation Domination.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Operation Domination is underway, the ultimate game club to dominate
your inn with your hosts.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
You gotta be confident about your achilles.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Yeah, I mean, I got it.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Brief stop, don't hope to win the great on dominated?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
All right, all right, all right, we are back in
the building. One more week to go.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
As we record this on a Wednesday night, we get
to the NFL Draft, I think I have to lead
the show with this. Fantasy Football Advice Network is going
live from the Crows Restaurant in Nashville, Tennessee, for the
first round of the draft next week. Could be giving
you full coverage on our YouTube channel at ff advice Net,
and we'll be simulcasting to a Fox Sports radio broadcast

(01:20):
there in midwestern Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
So look out.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Fantasy Football Advice is here and coming as always. I'm
your host, Dan Maider, joining with Adam LaRue, Chris d
and of course Chase thort In talking about some tight
ends to wrap up our NFL Draft series.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
We got some help this one. So let's get our
guest introduced.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now, Hey, the gold Room player profiler, go on.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
That is one hell of an introduction. I sometimes I
wish I had a voice for radio like you do.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
Dan.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
You definitely have a gift there. But what's going on, E.
Let's appreciate you guys having me on.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
So this is another example of why the Fantasy Football
XBO is so awesome because this is where I got
to meet Pete and we had a wonderful conversation, and
that's how we get them onto the show.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
You know, small timer's like us, Pete, You're doing great things.
By the way, you're really taking off. This past year
has been awesome to watch it.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah, I appreciate it. I also I know I met Chris.
I think we talked to decent amount too. Hoff was
out there with me as well, who's one of our partners.
But yeah, it's it's been a great year. I used
to do. I try to do content in college for
like a semester, didn't take off the ground, and then
I actually just started last year with face Off and
then just started play a profiler this offseason, still doing

(02:56):
stuff with face off and my niche has been defensive
defensive streaming. I know it's a weird one, but that's
some that my my following is love and yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well that's that's Chris for us.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
He gives our defensive play of the week every single
week during the redraft process.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's a hard one to pin down.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the fact that you're being able to kind of
make that niche is a little bit impressive there because
nobody else is going to be able to nail that
down in week the week.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
It's fun, you know. I think I have a I
have a nice kind of rule. I always try to
go for home teams and look for low point totals
and if I can get a combination of both there,
that's usually the first baseline that I use, and then
I use some mixture of different different EPA and and
different statistics. But yeah, it's fun, man, I don't know.
I mean, you know, we spend so much time and

(03:45):
we're gonna do that today too. Talking about offensive skill positions.
It's nice to kind of focus on the other side
of the football every once in a while. And I
think sometimes for me it actually helps me when evaluating
my start sits on the skill position side of the football,
so it's fun.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, absolutely, it's matchups. Now let me ask you a
question off of that though, Folks on the other side
of the football, are you ever gonna take this to
I d P two or you're going to stop it
at defense? Special team streamer?

Speaker 4 (04:14):
You know?

Speaker 5 (04:15):
I uh, I have thought about the IDP route. I've
been doing a little bit of fast draft stuff on
player Profile where they actually have a best.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Ball format for I d P, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
If you're into that, you can use you know, my
promo there it's Nova and ov A, But yeah, they
do IDP format there. I'll probably I've done IDP. I
just haven't done content on it. It's a lot. Uh,
you're really talking about a whole other side of players,
so we'll see. I mean, if there's a market for
it and people are interested in my opinion on it,
I'd love to give out some content on it.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
So I was just curious because it's only only You're
only one step away already, is the guru. We are
only one step away from the NFL Draft next week,
which I cannot wait for, so today we're talking about
the tight ends. We did quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers
last week with Pat fitz Morris. All great episodes. You
should check you out on Operation Domination on your favorite

(05:11):
podcast app Pete. Let me let me start off with this.
Everyone keeps telling me what a great tight end class
this is, and I don't know if I see it
that way. I think it's a deep tight end class
than what we're used to, But I don't know if
it's a great tight end class.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
What with your take on this?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
I think it's a really good class. I think we
are We've been really lucky as of late to have
tight ends kind of come onto the scene and perform quickly.
I mean, it's one of the slowest, if not the
slowest developing positions in the NFL. You got to pretty
much be a tackle as well as a receiver, so

(05:52):
you're pretty much learning two positions. But I'm really impressed
with the class. I mean, I like Tyler Warren. I
don't think I would say he is on the same
level as Bauers prospect why he is coming out now.
It's easy to say that after Bowers had such a
phenomenal year hindsight's twenty twenty, so it might be obvious
to say.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, of course not.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
But I think it's got a lot of depth and
I think that's that's going to be. The exciting thing
is is we may get a nice kind of addition
to the pool from a position that's pretty weak right now.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
In fantasy football, it's always weak.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
And what kills me is that on the dynasty side,
things to your point, like, if you don't get a
tight end who's actually a first rookie draft grade ready
to go, then you're pretty much putting this guy in
your taxi squad and crossing your fingers and toes and
hoping he hits them like two or three years.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And that's what makes it real tough there. All right,
So let's get this conversation. Start off. You mentioned Tyler Warren.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
He's the unanimous number one, not only the consensus but
amongst all of our rankings going into the Today's Show.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Why is Tyler Warren hands down number one? In your mind?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think.

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Do He's a dog? That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Yeah, I think I think my wife just got home,
so not not the best time in there, but I
think I think the cool thing that I like about
Tyler Warren's background is that he actually played quarterback in
high school, and I think when the tight end position,
it's so important to understand zone. You know, different different
spots on the field to sit down, and so having

(07:33):
that background, I think you kind of see it show
up on film. He's really good at finding soft zones
to a defense, and his yards after catchability is extremely strong.
I mean, he had a college target share at thirty
one point four, which.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Is really strong.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Now, Penn State didn't have a ton of like ball
dominant you know, players you know around him necessarily, but
it's hard to knock that.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I mean he did.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Also, he had a game where had seventeen matches, which
tied the FBS single game record for a tight end
and had two hundred and twenty four yards in that game,
which is second most in Penn State history. But I
just think he's really versatile. I think the problem when
you look like a guy like Kyle Pitts when he
came into the NFL, is a great athlete, but his

(08:17):
issue is he just doesn't block. He's he doesn't provide
that second part in the game where Tyler Warren kind
of brings a nice blend to both, and he has
really good yards after catch ability.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
So I like what I see out of Warren.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I think there's a case for Loveland that some people
will probably make too, But I think Warren, for me,
is clear cut, just because I think the athletic upside
is what you're looking for, and I think he has
that over Loveland, who is probably the closest guy out.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Of the group to him.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, I would agree with that, Chris, when you see
I mean, let's come talk about you know, Tyler Warren,
Colston Loveland, so I know you have him ranked one two.
Is there a gap in the tier to you?

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Yeah, I think there is. And it's not a gap
necessarily as Peak kind of allude to, like I had
some fourth you know site in the sense of what
black Bowers was. I kept telling him he was a weapon.
He wasn't just a tight end. He's a playmaker and offense.
This isn't the same caliber guy. This isn't George Kittle,
this is necessary Tralvis Kelsey. But it reminds me a
lot of like a Tyler Eiffert. Uh Pete talked about,
you know, a good feel, a good understanding of the zone,

(09:18):
his ability to block. He's not the greatest blocker in
the world. I do have a little questions about how
athletic he is. He didn't test it anything, we didn't
see any kind of combined information. I think that's kind
of purposeful. But having said all that, the tape is nice,
and what I think the difference from myself is that
Tyler Warren has that ability to do both, where I
think loved One's more of a pass catcher. You hope
that he can block, you hope that he can fill in,

(09:39):
but he's kind of a skinny guy built a little
bit differently, especially not you know, his leg's part that
helps him getting in and out of his routes, but
not necessarily the greatest thing for him getting up in blocks.
He get stood up a lot in the blocking game.
So that's the guy that I think is more of
a slot receiver versus Tyler Warren's a tight end and
more of a mismatch. I think loved One's gonna have
a little more issues. Possibly he didn't need to you know,
offic support, and he who kind of schemes up things

(10:01):
for him. I think Holler Warrens is going to actually
have the game kind of come to them.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, And look, we had to have this debate all
the time now, right because you know, we had guys
like Marvin Harrison and you name it, and you name it,
top prospects who are just not testing, not just at
the combines, but they're not testing at the pro day.
And this is leaving us with a little bit of
a guessing game with the rest of us who are
trying to put these data points together to actually make
some nice predictions for everybody else out there.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
But he also on his end, why run, why test?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Why do these things when it's so clear cut that
you're the number one coming into the draft. I gotta say,
you gotta be pretty athletic for a college offense to
allow a tight end to run a wildcat, And it
wasn't just because of his quarterback skills set.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
So I'm not overly concerned about it. Chase.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Let's go to you now, Tyler Warren, and talk a
little bit about Close and Loveland two one two.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Where's that gap to you?

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Yeah, I think there's a definite gap between the two.
But I agree with with Chris. It's more so that,
you know, like with Lovelin, I'm not necessarily sure that
he is a complete tight end. I think he can
be an offensive weapon in the right scheme. I think
that if they want to use him right, I think
he can be. But Tyler Warren just he looks like
a guy that can step in any offense in this

(11:15):
league and find a role in carve out a role
as a starter at that position. You know, he's an
adequate blocker. He's not a superstar blocker by any means,
but Tyler Warren can block with the best of them
because he's so competitive. I think he plays physical. I
like that He's obviously an elite receiver at the position
in my opinion. When when I watch him, you know,
this is a kid that set a school record at

(11:37):
Penn State with one hundred and four receptions. Penn State's
one of those schools football wise, where if you set
a record in anything, it should make people sit up
and take notice. And he just did that. Won the
Mackie Award. But like you said, they even run him
out of the backfield, they run him out of a wildcat,
They put him all over the field. I like that
positional versatility where you don't have to play him just

(11:59):
as in line, you don't have to just play him
as a move. You don't have to deploy him any
one way. You can move Tyler Warren all over the
field and you're still going to get you know, Tyler
Warren no matter what. Yeah, he's not a Jimmy Graham
seam stretcher type to me, but he can still run
that route. But he's underneath an intermediate. I love watching

(12:19):
Tyler Warren play some football. Colston Lovelin, on the other hand,
guy that I think can run that seam route a
little bit, but it's just he's not an elite route runner,
but he separates well. I like the way that Colston
Loveland separated in his routes. If he goes somewhere where
they want to coach him up a little bit on
his route running, I think he could be even better
that way. Colston Loveland can run any route you want

(12:40):
to stick in front of him, though, so as an
offensive weapon, I really like him in this draft. I
just think Tyler Warren is the more complete player, has
the better profile. We've talked about it before that we like,
you know, we talk about with running backs. If you
can't block as a running back, you're not going to
see the field as much as a guy who can
same kind of thing with with you know, these tight

(13:01):
ends here, Tyler Warren, being a complete player, won't have
to come off the field in any situation, so there's
always the possibility of him getting the football.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, and Colson Loveland playing a lot more in the
slot than he did in line. Adam, you had to
know I was gonna do this to you, buddy, being
the resident Colts fan, I mean, all the tight ends
are going to you.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Every market's either Colston Tyler Warren. Whichever one falls, what
do you think the Colts get their hands. Let's say
it's Coulson Loveland, because Tyler Warren's getting more and more
into the top ten. Let's say it's Coulson Lovelin. How
do you feel about that?

Speaker 8 (13:32):
I would love to have Tyler Warren. I think my
problem with Loveland one is the pick. I personally have
him graded outside of my top twenty. I have him
graded as someone who, you know, at the turn of
the first round, I think I'm a little more comfortable
he to me is someone who look I think the
reason that everyone wants to mock a tight end to
the Colts is that they've been having this rotation at

(13:53):
the position for such a long time. And I think
the problem with mocking Colston Loveland is that you still
need a blocking tight end with him, Like, he's not
gonna be that inline guy. He's not gonna he will
to a degree, sure, but the whole point of drafting
a tight end would be to like stop the madness
of having three tight ends and get thirty three percent
of the snaps each. And I feel like, to me,

(14:14):
I don't think you get that at least in the
first couple of years of Colston Loveland. I like Colston Loveland.
I think he's a and I over the weekend I
shared this with you. I think he's a better version
of a pre injury Dennis Pitta, for example. Like, I
think he is quick like that, I think he's got
good hands, he doesn't have the long speed, and I
don't think he blocks very well. And so it's just

(14:36):
he's just someone who I don't think he's complete as
a tight end. I think he's very good at what
he does. I think he could be a very good
big slot, but for a team that I mean, I
think we've talked about this ad nauseum for the last
like as long as I've been on the show, functionally
right like the Colts, especially with Anthony Richardson at quarterback,
and knock them wood. At least in my opinion, that's
the direction they should go. They need to be more

(14:58):
physical in that regard, right Like you need to be
a physical team. That needs to be your identity. So
to go with a receiving tight end would be a
little bit frustrating to me.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
He let be the receivers first.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
DJ's coming, buddy, He's coming. Daniel Jones is coming. Hey,
He'll target the middle of the field. He might be
the He might be the key to unlocking the tight
end on the Colts position.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
He might. I'm just kidding. I know, Adam gets so
mad every time I bring that up. He's just like, ah,
it's all good, all right. So I mean for me, Chris,
you talked about Tyler Eifferd being your your comp for
for for.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Warren, and look, Tyler eifer had he not gotten a
slow of injuries, we might have seen a much different career.
But for me, when I look at Tyler Warren, I
see a mirror image of t J. Hawkinsid of just
a guy who's gonna be able to beat a three down,
but be a lethal volume weapon. Like we're not talking
about these guys who like he's gonna be a field stretcher,

(15:56):
super efficient. He's gonna be a volume featured weapon. And
I think in a draft that's missing true top ten
talent because it is missing some talent at the top end.
While he might get drafted high and brock Bowers and
I agree with you, Pete that he that probably shouldn't happen,
he's not the same type of prospect given this draft.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
It might.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I'm okay with it because he projects out with his
route running ability, with all of his metrics that he's had,
that he should be a volume weapon. So I look
at him as like a TJ. Hockinson Colson Love. On
the other hand, I am kind of more on the
guys the league as far as giving the extra caution,
Like I comped him the Hunter Henry, and I think
Colston Loved one. His biggest problem right now is actually

(16:37):
he needs a fell out of his body, which is
weird to say when a guy's sixty six two forty eight,
But I think Chris said this. The lankiness, the lankiness
of his build is what's strange. And he's always straight
up like even when I say that means standing straight up,
like even on when he's in in line and he's
putting the blocks, he's always just I'm popping right up

(16:58):
to the sky.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
And that's an issue again, keep you on the field.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think of what happened to Dalton Kincaid right his
first two years where Dawson Knox is there. Dawston Knox
limits his ability to get on the field in red
zone situations, and now we're still kind of waiting to
seeing maybe will Dalton Kincaid break. I worry about that
to some degree with Colson Lovelin. I think he's ex

(17:23):
on the red zone, which I feel like a team
who takes him.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
As high as he's projected to go would be hard
to keep him out of that situation.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
But I do worry about that to some degree. You
didn't get to talk too much about Colson Lovelin.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
What do you think about all that?

Speaker 5 (17:37):
I think your your point is valid in that I
think pad level is a little bit of an issue
for him.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
I think you know Michigan's offense in their play style too.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
I mean it's not necessarily one where they're trying to
air out the football.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
But it is a little concerning.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
I mean a ten point four percent college target share
is not something that's dreams. Hey, this guy is going
to dominate or command the football. I mean, I like
Colson Loveland. I definitely think that he's more of a
finesse receiving kind of player, whereas Tyler Warren is a
guy that's just gonna play smash mouth in terms of

(18:16):
play style, similar to Kittle in that regard.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
But it's funny you brought up Dalton Kinkaid and for
some reason.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Sometimes he kind of reminds me of him in some
ways like that too, where it's that lankiness.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
And I mean, this isn't a small guy.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
He's six six to forty eight and honestly, his college
his breakout age was nineteen years old. So I think
that's definitely something that's positive. You know, some people it
took me a little bit to really understand like what
the big deal about the breakout age was. But when
for those that don't know that, it may be watching right.
You know, when you look at a guy that says

(18:54):
twenty four years old, Like I love R. J. Harvey
in his class for running backs. Right, he's twenty four
years old, like he popps on film, he looks really good.
But at twenty four years old, if your breakout age
in college is you know, at that age twenty two,
twenty three, twenty four, you know you're you're playing against
younger guys, And so it's not that surprising Loveland breaking
out at nineteen years old. He's got some room to

(19:16):
still kind of grow. And so I definitely like Loveland.
I think he's gonna be It's gonna it's gonna depend.
I mean, if he goes to someplace like Denver and
he's stuck behind Evian Ingram, like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
I mean, I I don't know that I.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Could take a guy like that in the first round
of rookie drafts and and a guy like Mason Taylor
possibly gets better draft you know, similar Ish draft capitol
high second round and goes to a better situation, Like
I could be swayed on taking a guy like Taylor
over a guy like Loveland. So I think I think
for Loveland it's really gonna depend on where he goes
and is he going to be given a good opportunity.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Dependency Dependency on your location is what we talk about
all the time in fantasy football. Well, we've been all
nice and everything like that, and it's been cool, but
now it's time to get in some showdowns. And anybody
who's been watching this show, listening to this show again,

(20:13):
favorite podcast app, YouTube channel, f f advice Net. You've
been waiting for this showdown between me and Chris when
it comes to Elijah Royal and Harold Fanning because we've
been passing each other by mentioning in it while we're
on other topics, and this is it's been gearing up.
Pete is going to judge this for us as the guests.
We're gonna put him on the spot.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Chris, he's represent Elijah Royal, I'm representing Harold Fannin. Chris,
go ahead and take it away.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
First shout out through the U. But Elijah Royal, look,
this guy who's six foot five, two fifty got a
good wig span the knox. You're gonna have from it,
basically the health concerns and then you had a one
year breakout. Well last tight Ends had one year breakout.
We all loved Holly Warrant. We kind of overlooked the
fact that he blew up this last year. Previous to
that was good, but not nearly what we've seen this
past year, where basically a good quarterback and no weapons

(21:02):
to throat a ball too. But Arroyo, on a different hand,
had a guy that was sixteen point yards your sixteen
point nine yards for per reception, nine point nine yards
after catch. So you guy, guy who stretches the field
has the good wing span, has the good size. I
actually think this is kind of what people was talking
about earlier. I could be convinced to take him over
love One, has it not been for the injury history.

(21:23):
I like to tape a little bit better. One of
the things for Loveland kind of stood out to me
was all his routes are in breaking. Now. I think
you guys are you know, we all know the only show.
I'm not the Dalton Can guy. I do not believe
adult kid had never I think loved One is more athletic.
It has better in and out of his breaks, better
than that. But Arroyo is actually one of those guys
who I think is what we're looking for in that

(21:44):
tight end, that pass catcher, the guy who glides in
the field with the balls in his hands. Ken us
his feet well to get off in this as a
big slot receiver and has William blocker. He's not even
gonna necessarily gonna Willion's blocking, but he wants to get low.
He tries to get and he tries to get involved,
and it's something he's kind of still filling into. And
guy was basically a gore of Hope receiver as when
he got recruited. So for overall, I think for myself,

(22:08):
I look at him as like a Mark Andrews, and
then we look at how half addam. Like I said,
Mark Andrews, similar size, similar weight, similar skill set coming
out half Hadden Dan, I have to give you credit.
He definitely moved up my board. The thing for half
Adden production never begin, you know, talk about the target shares,
all the fun numbers and analytics. I understand that I
will give him a shout out, but he's six foot three,

(22:29):
two forty one. What you could definitely see positive firm
is that short passing attack and his threatened short passing gun.
You saw the three cone, you saw the in ten
yards split, but even smaller catch radius than you have
with the Royo. You don't have a lower vert, you
don't have the necessarily the same wing span, and you
have a guy who in a lot of ways reminds

(22:51):
me of Charles Clay, similar size, similar weight, coming out
of college, has a similar skill set. This ceiling is
what I struggled with for Fadden, while he amazing with
the ability to kind of make the people miss with
that within five yuards, and then you kind of saw it,
as I said, the cone, it's a weird way how
it makes it people miss. I knew the basketball comparison.
Look at him Kyle Anderson like SlowMo, where everything he

(23:14):
does doesn't make sense, but somehow he gets to the hole,
somehow the move gets there. It works out for him.
He does the same thing with his moves. He makes
a lot, He broke a lot of tackles. It wasn't
necessarily for boot strength. His good stuff for him, But
it wasn't necessarily for Mick juking people or even speeding.
It was the four seven one wasn't necessarily impressive for size.
So what you saw was that's basically an offense that

(23:35):
featured him and used different ways and use a lot
of old concepts that I don't know a lot of
teams use in the NFL. To get him the ball
and involved. While I think Royo is a guy who
can easily grow into being a three down tight end,
has a skill set you can immediately use as a
second tight end in the red zone as it feels stretcher,
and as a big play guy. And I think he's
just scratching and selling what it can potentially be. Like
I said, this was a big time recruit going into Miami.

(23:57):
History of Miami tight end had been good to more recently,
but a guy who I think can carry that tradition.
And I think the biggest thing is to me is
that you look for a guy who can we talked
about could dominate down the road. This is a guy
that I saw as a freshman play out and we
got injured to software or his junior year. He looked
the part right off the bat. He stood out right

(24:19):
off the bat. So this is a guy to me
that I am really excited about. How fandom is definite
a guy that can be good dan, But I think
it's going to take a lot of things that have
to work out for him to have any chance to
show anything in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
You want to know how it works.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's called football IQ and a technician as a route runner.
That's what Harold fannon ish. Look, this is somebody who
just jumped on the board. And his junior year he
by the way, his junior year was just as good
of a season as Elijah Royals quote unquote breakout year
this past this past season. Now, yes on Bowling Green,
and I hear all about the low competition all the

(24:53):
time from being in Bowling Green, But I want to
point out something to everybody. This dude did it against
the big boys too. Penn State, Texas A and M
had two of his best games of the season. Eleven catches,
one hundred and thirty seven yards, a touchdown against Penn
State A catches one hundred and forty five yards and
a touchdown against Texas A and M.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
These aren't just power conference schools. These are two of
the top defenses in the nation this past year.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh and he graded out really well as a blocker
in those games, and overall is one of the top
ten tight ends. I'm not saying we're gonna line them
up in line and have him take on two hundred
and seventy pound defensive ends every play, But what I
am saying to you is that This is a guy
when you're playing those outside zones with those tight ends
aren't necessarily lined up right on the line of.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Scrimmage anyway, They're split out a little bit to begin with.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
He's a really good blocker who's going to do really
well against linebacker, safeties and DB's and I think he
can hold his own enough against the defensive line who
actually beat a three down tight end, something I don't
think Elijah Royo can really do. I'll talk about that
in a second. I'm also tired of hearing about the
four to seven to one, the four to seven to one. Yes,
did I want hanro Fanner the run of four five,

(26:00):
four to six? Sure, but the four seven.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
One is not a death nowl when it comes to
the tight end position. TJ.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Hockinson, zach Ertz, Cole Kamems, zach Ertz, Jordan Reid, that's
the one I was waiting to see you up on.
Jordan Reid ran a four to seventy three wasn't really
a problem for him. Why because he got opened consistently.
I think Fannin has a great pathway to a high
ceiling because he has the skill set you need. Again
to go back to by Tyler Warren comp of being

(26:27):
a high volume threat. Now it's gonna come down the
draft capital Eliz Royal, Harrold Fannin roughly the same projected
draft capital as of right now, somewhere in that late
end day two. As long as that stays the same,
I like fann and hell of a lot more. And
Fannin's not even twenty one yet. There's still a way
to go. He still has more strength that he can
put on. Do I have to say the numbers number

(26:50):
one in miss tackles over fifteen hundred yards, over one
hundred catches. The dude was ridiculous in every capacity possible.
Now you talk about live Royal and I don't want
to get this twisted. A Royal is my number four
tight end. This is not I hate Elijah Royal thing.
This is a I gotta put Chris back in his
place thing more so than anything else. But he's a

(27:10):
vertical stretch who doesn't do much else. Not a good blocker.
I don't think he's a terrific route runner either. For
a guy who looks like a wide receiver, who runs
like a wide receiver rounded breaks, doesn't think his hips
very well.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Talk about guys who standing straight up all the time.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
That is Elijah Royal, part of the reason why he
had injury problems his first two seasons. And I'm just
not all that enthralled with a guy whose big breakout
season was fifth in receptions on a team that was
led by Xavier Rostreppo. Nice receiver, not something I think
this guy should be struggling to get targets and catches
behind either.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And he played a full thirteen.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Games, So I have questions about a Royal where I
think his floor the ceiling is a lot wider, a
lot more variance than I think ham Old Fann it is.
Who's gonna want to put a team it's gonna utilize
him as Pete. You go ahead and let us know
what you think about these players, and who do you
think wins this debate.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Yeah, I think you make a good point in terms
of the variants. I think I think Arroyo has much
more boom or bust. I think Chris makes a good point.
You know, this was a really highly touted guy coming
out of you know, into college football, but the injuries
definitely slowed him down. I have my hesitancy on Arroyo,
who look he had a really nice day at the

(28:27):
Senior Bowl, nice week at the Senior Bowl. And I think,
you know, people were kind of, you know, in awe
of his athletic ability, but to me, the injuries are
definitely a concern. I think Dan makes a good point too,
I you know, for for his size at you know,
two hundred fifty pounds sixty five, like, he isn't that
good of a blocker. But I'll give to him that.
I do think he's a willing blocker. His technique just

(28:50):
isn't there, So maybe that's something he can learn about.
I would say on the Herald Fannin side, I definitely
agree that I think his I think Fannin has a
chance to stick in the NFL much longer now he's
two inches shorter and ten inches ten pounds lighter. But
he also, you know, when you talk about pound for pound,
he's you know, he fits into his frame better than

(29:11):
a royo. So where he's maybe a little bit smaller,
he still fits well in his frame. And yeah, I'm
not really super concerned about the forty times, but I
would give it to Dan here. I think I think
the point of you know, putting up big games against
against two big teams in Penn State and I think
it was it was Penn State and what.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Was the other team?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Damn Texas and M Texas.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
A and M. Yeah, I mean the fact that you
know he can kind of show up in those games
that you know, look.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Showing up Texas name get drafted by the way. But
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
There.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
I think I think Dan's point of like, look like
when you think of Miami, like they had one of
the better.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Offenses in college football last.

Speaker 7 (29:53):
Year and he beIN yards for catches a tight end
like I won that. I I know time that's happened.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
I think I think ceiling is higher for Royal.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
I think I think floor is much higher for fan
And I think I think it depends on what you're
looking for.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
But can I ask you guys this real quick? And
then I'm not, you know, definitely the A guy, But
you guys keep saying the volume thing. What offense is
going to feature a guy who runs four to seven
one at six three and forty pounds and most of
his routes were within five yards to seven yards A
lot of scrimmage I don't see. I see teams using
the receivers the stop receivers for that, I see teams

(30:32):
use the other other guys we're trying to get the
involved us their running backs. I don't see a team
who's going to feature this guy the way that Bowlin
Green did. Like I said, they were running like wing
te offense, but basically involve him to get him the ball.
So that's where I have a lot of questions. How
much commitment is they're going to be too to get
this guy involved. And this is my thing with dal Kkaid.
I give him that fan is a way better tackle

(30:54):
breaker than I thought Aalton Kaid is, and way younger
by the way as well. But I also have a
question of what are you going to really get six
or seven yards consistently? Who's going to feature that as
part of their key part of their offense.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I mean, Kik didn't have the numbers, but he had
the volume this past year, like they tried to get
to the ball. He just didn't necessarily produce the way
you would have wanted to at that rate, but he
was a featured part of that passing game.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
And again I'll just go back to Jordan Reed.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I mean, Jordan Reid fits all those measurables you just
pointed out, and Fannin has just as good as a
Birch score. I mean he's got he's got his ten
yards split with second.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I had the other. The three cone drill was third
in this class.

Speaker 7 (31:32):
I said, within ten yards. Everything in ten yards. I
give him all. I gave you that.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
But how often are tight ends in today's league really
running much more down the field? I mean, like the
day's the vertical tight end. There aren't many of them
laft really anymore. They're not asked to do that nearly
as much. They're asked to operate five to fifteen yards
down the field.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Not much more than that. Nothing I got it.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
Oh, I have on the rebuttal, I say, look at
Kyle checks to use it to last, but four or
five years. The guy who can break tackles can do
a list things underneath six seven yards consistently.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Would you say, your fullback, Kyle I thought, he said, what?

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Yeah, well, well, how did you use some because we're
talking about guy who's sixty three, two hundred and forty
one pounds, who was two hundred and thirty pounds most
of the season last year, booked up to two forty
and you guys already see fills in his body, where
Savoya who's sixty five two fifty can add some weight
to his body. And like I said, Mark andrews my
compon form where Mark Andrew's a lot of questions about
his blocking skills. He wasn't in their first mouth got
fed in Oklahoma either, but was the guy that looked

(32:33):
for and got down the field. And that was why
I liked him over Hate and Hurst back then.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well this is why you guys were all waiting for
this debate.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
But we have other people who need debate now, all right,
So now Pete's gonna be in the hot seat and
he's gonna be taking on Adam because Pete likes Mason
Taylor while Adam likes a rounde gassage.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Chase is going to be the one to judge it. Pete,
state your case.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yeah, So I've been a really big Mason Taylor fan
since the process started. I think when you look at
Mason Taylor and when you just I talked a little
bit about before, but when you look at the tight
end position in the NFL, like you're looking for balance,
that's the best way that I can put it. It's
nice to look for guys, and the two guys that
we just talked about are the exact opposite of balance.

(33:28):
They're two guys that you know, have decently high ceilings,
but they're not the most well rounded players at the position.
Mason Taylor pretty much checks off all the boxes for me.
He's a solid blocker. He's a guy that's going to
likely be on the field in in pretty much any situation.
And I think it says something to be a guy
who started all three years at a program like LSU

(33:52):
and has that pedigree of coming, you know, from a
family of obviously Jason Taylor, you know, he has that
bloodline and lineage. And when I look at Mason Taylor
just in general, I mean, look, fifty five receptions, five
forty six, two touchdowns, College dominated rating of eleven point
five percent, college target share wasn't that high. But he's
in a really good offense that features a lot of

(34:13):
really good players. Now, maybe not this year as much,
but you look at the year before and you know
you had Brian Thomas junior. You know you have Molak
neighbors too, And so I don't know when I look
at when I look at Mason Taylor, I just he
jumps out on the film for a guy who he's
decisively maybe not the fastest guy, but he showed up

(34:33):
really well in the Combine two. I feel like when
you looked at all the tight ends, guys like Warren
who didn't test. I don't think a Royo tested either.
You know, you had Fannin who tested, but and we
just talked about that it wasn't as sexy and what
we were looking for. I look at like Adulton Schultz
kind of comp where you know, it's not you know,

(34:54):
he's not the most exciting player, but he's a guy
that will likely stick around for a long time. I'm
not foaming at the mouth saying, you know, Mason Telller
is the guy that I can't wait to get my
hands on in fantasy.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
But this is a guy that I think is going
to stick in the NFL for a while.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
And when it comes to tight ends, that's that's something
that's important to me, right, Not a guy that's gonna
flame out quickly.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
It's a slow developing position. And coming from that lineage.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
I think, you know, he he's a capable blocker, like
I said, and so I don't know, I really like
Mason Taylor I mean, the the other guy we're going
up against here is is Gadson correct from Syracuse?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Correct?

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Right, So I mean Gadson from Syracuse.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
I mean, I'll say, you have to be an elite
athlete for me at the tight end position. If you're
not that great at blocking, lower body strength is a
little bit of a concern when I watch him. I
did like the tape from Syracuse, but look, he lacks
play strength as well, Like he's not a guy that's
that's kind of fighting through tackles as much. And the

(35:55):
blocking technique, as I said, kind of remains a little
bit of question mark. He is an athletic player six
five two forty three, a young breakout age at nineteen
years old. He's twenty one point seven now, which is
definitely encouraging, as we said before, but I don't think
he's likely to go in the first two rounds. I
mean in the first two days, so he's probably getting
day three capital. And if that's the case, you know,

(36:17):
when it comes to the tight end position, there's so
many jags and just guys and a guy that's not
gonna get you know, day one or day two capitol,
which I think Mason Taylor does get. I mean, there's
rumors that Mason Taylor could even be as high as.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
The Eagles at thirty two. I don't think that actually happens.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Todd McShay is talking about it as a possibility, but
I think Mason Taylor is going to get the higher
draft capital and I'd rather take a chance on a
guy that's going to get the higher draft capital.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
That likely stays.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
But I mean, I'm all for drafting guys with that
that have high upside, you know, late in rookie drafts.
At tight end as well, that's usually a fun spot
I like to target too, But that would be my
case for Taylor over Gadson.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
All right, Adam, why is Gaston He's get? You got
the number four?

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah? I like Gadson a lot.

Speaker 8 (37:03):
I think the first thing that I'll throw out there
is I agree he's not there at a run blocker yet,
and I agree on the play strength portion. What I'll
say there is, I mean he switched over from wide
receiver to tight end relatively recently, and I think with
that in regard, I was impressed as a run blocker. Like,
with that context in mind, I think that he's made

(37:25):
leaps and bounds since that sophomore season, especially considering that
he did not play last season or only played a
game and a half due to injury. And with that
being said, I thought he looked for a guy who
had a list frank like a year ago or a
little bit over. At the time of the combine, I
thought he looked very athletic. Again, with that context in mind,

(37:48):
and he was a bit more of a field stretcher
when we saw him that sophomore season getting sixteen yards
per catch.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
One of the.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
Things that I was really excited about him in terms
of potentially being able to fill out that frame a
little bit more, because I mean, he is a guy
with you know, sixty seventh percentile arm length and eighty
fifth percentile wingspan. He's got ranged, he's got a massive
catch radius, and I think he uses it fairly well.
And I thought it showed up in blocking two. Again
agreed with the actual power portions of it, but when

(38:19):
you saw him with guys that matched up a little
bit better of strength wise, he was able to keep
them off of his body because he has longer arms
than I mean, candidly some of the d ns in
this class, and I think that's really impressive and somewhere where.
I mean, it's a one eighty in regards to Mason Taylor,
who no doubt in my mind, the much more technically

(38:40):
proficient blocker at you know, this moment in time. But
a guy who is kind of you know, stuck into
that regards with a twenty first percentile arm length and
a forty first percentile or forty fifth rather percentile wingspan,
just someone who I mean, look if you get like
up in his chest like the d Lyman's gonna win,

(39:01):
and you know ideally you're avoiding that situation. He is
someone who I actually have the same comparison and Dalton Schultz,
So no disagreement there. Well, also I'm not going to
disagree in regards to him potentially being the safer pick
and the guy who you know longer NFL career. I
think for me, at least in regards to a pre

(39:23):
draft ranking, I'm not necessarily going to take those things
to account. From a pure fantasy perspective. If put into
their best position, I think Gadsden results in better fantasy production,
better NFL player. I wouldn't argue that strongly against Mason Taylor,
but you know, if one of them is getting into
a big slot role, a role where they're getting one

(39:45):
hundred targets, I think that's far more likely for Gadsden.
So that's kind of just my inclination there. I mean,
you mentioned it with Taylor that he hasn't been like
a massive target earner. I don't disagree that over his
career there that you know, there's been lot of talent,
but it wasn't that crazy at LSU this past year,
and nus Meyer was a really good quarterback, so I'm

(40:06):
not necessarily questioning him on who he was getting the
ball to. So for me, I think that Mason Taylor
as an average NFL tight end. Not gonna argue too
strongly against it. But pre draft, I'm just willing to
take the swing a bit more that at the NFL.
Just gms disagree with me too hard, then I'm gonna
adjust for draft capital post draft anyways, so that's no problem.

(40:27):
I'll probably flip them. If Mason Taylor, for instance, goes
in the second and Gatston goes in the fifth, then no,
I would switch it by draft time. And thankfully I'm
not drafting in dynasty or at all right now.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
So personally, should nobody make it very clear? All right,
Chase decide. Okay, let me preface.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
This real quick by saying that I have Gadsden ranked
one spot ahead of Mason Taylor. And yeah, Pete, you're
you're much more optimistic on Mason Taylor than I am.
But Adam tried his best to give that argument away there,
apologizing for his dude so much.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
It felt like, but.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
Just let me go through my notes real quick on
these two here you mentioned, Pete, you mentioned balance in
terms of a tight end. We had just talked about
that about how you know, I had talked about how
I like the idea of a guy that is going
to be on the field more. I think can find
himself on the field more. And I do like that
with Mason Taylor. The other thing I like about Mason
Taylor is his literal contact balance. I think that I

(41:27):
have a no here. I like him better with the
ball in his hand than beforehand. I don't like him
necessarily until he gets that ball in his hand. One
of the things I would really I really like to
see it when Mason Taylor actually can catch the football
and turn up feel and do something with it. It
seemed like every time I watch film on him, every
target and nus Meyer. People can have their their opinions
on him, but it seemed like every time he targeted

(41:48):
Mason Taylor, Mason Taylor had to make some kind of
a reaching, diving, sliding, twisting adjust to the football catch.
I don't know what it was specifically about his targets
that Nussmeyer kind of seemed to go asleep on, But
once Mason Taylor gets that ball in his hand, I
really like to watch him play football. I think he
adjusts well to the ball to that point too. So
I saw a lot of that and I'd like those
things on him with a Ronde Gadson. He's six', five

(42:13):
but there's times on film where he looks like he's seventy,
five and that can be a good thing and a bad.
THING i, mean sometimes it's because he's reaching all over the.
Place adam alluded to his twelve and a half foot
wingspan at like an. Albatross but there's also times trying
to come in and out of breaks where he's not
quite as sharp and crisp as i'd like to. See
AND i get that's probably tough at six. Five i'm

(42:33):
five to five SO i don't have that. Problem but
the THING i like About gason is THAT i think
he is a guy that you can move around the
formation a little, bit WHEREAS i See taylor a little
bit more limited in how you can deploy him. There
AND i think that speaks to the idea That gadsden comes,
from As adam, said comes from that wide receiver. Background.
There he's got nice natural HANDS i Think gaston. DOES

(42:56):
i like his body control in the. AIR i like
him around the, boundary the way that you, know his
his awareness of where he's at on the. Field he's
good at contested, catches which is good BECAUSE i don't
see a separator WHEN i look on film from. HIM
i tend to agree with you there That Mason, Taylor.
PETE i agree with, You, pete That Mason taylor looks

(43:16):
like the more you, know well rounded football, player AND
i like him from that, standpoint AND i like him
to have a good career from that. Standpoint But i've
said it before on this, show And adam you kind
of touched on the same thing just. Now When i'm
looking at draft, Prospects i'm looking at them purely from
a from a fantasy. Standpoint what DO i see as

(43:38):
a fantasy as fantasy upside here and WHEN i Watch
arondez guast and play football and receive the football and
with the things THAT i think that he can do
and the things THAT i think he still can learn
as a tight, END i really like the idea there's
a little bit Of darren waller ness maybe to his
game where if he can stay, healthy AND i don't
see that necessarily being a problem that List, frank you,

(44:00):
know notwithstanding, UH i like the idea Of ronde Gatz
and as a fantasy asset a little bit. Better so
it's close because you, know we had an argument here
for a guy have any BETTER nfl, career And i'm
not disagreeing with that, argument But i'm going to give
it To gads That i'm going to give it To
adam just based on the idea, that LIKE i, said

(44:20):
from a fantasy, STANDPOINT i see that BEING i see
him having a little bit more of a of an explosive.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
POTENTIAL i and IF i, could IF i could close
my side, OUT i, think you, know in, fantasy especially
at the tight end, position right, like we're looking for
any type of juice that we can get because there's
tons of there's tons of guys. THAT i, mean Zach
ertz is still putting up, numbers, right and he's old as, dirt,
Right like we can find The Mason taylors of the, world,

(44:48):
Right and SO i definitely understand from a standpoint With,
dads AND i just Think Mason taylor has more upside
than it. APPEARS i, think as you alluded, TO i
think when he has the ball in his, hands he's
he's a Pretty he's a better playmaker than people give.
HIM i, mean he ran a sub four to, seven
WHICH i don't think people were expecting at the. Forty
with the forty, NOW i don't take put too much

(45:10):
stock into forty yard dash because very rarely do we
see guys running a straight line on the football. Field
So i'm not totally concerned about. THAT i think With,
GADSON i think my fear is we talk about, developing
and when it's such a hard position to develop at
and you're that week as a, BLOCKER i worry about
how much time THE nfl is gonna give. You and

(45:30):
at that point in rookie, drafts for, Me i'd rather
swing on a running back likely that like in those.
ROUNDS i know we're kind of shifting conversation a little,
bit AND i don't mean to take it that, way
but in my, head Like i'd rather take a shot
on a third round rookie, draft OR i mean a
third round running back in this rookie, class or even

(45:53):
a guy that goes in the fourth and fifth, round
because it's such a deep class and there's a lot
of talent over a tight end who's probably gonna ge
At day three capital and it's gonna be a project
and and likely might you might end up dropping him
after a.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Year because you have no patience.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
Anyway and again my concern IS i don't think he's
a good enough playmaker to like to get him on
the field enough as a pass catcher because he lacks
as a blocker so. Much, SO i, MEAN i don't
want to bring up the ARGUMENT i already kind of gave,
mine BUT i was kind of thinking about some of
those things as we kind of, spoke AND i kind

(46:28):
of wanted to share.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Him So i've got him one.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
Space i've got him one space apart seven and. Eight
SO i, mean, Yeah I'm i'm not strong either.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Way well let me let me ask you this Because
i'm more in line with. YOU i Have taylor at
my number five and Gat sin is my tight end.
TWELVE i think it's more probable At gatson winds up
as a tight end three and never sees the light
of day than he Does. FLASH i got him comp
to A Jared wildly in that, sense AND i Caught Mason.
Taylor someone said, Earlier Tyler, EIFER i see a lot
Of Tyler eifferd Actually Mason taylor's. Game BUT i do

(46:56):
want to ask you this About Mason taylor because this
is the one thing that does bother me quite a,
bit especially this past, year when he comes in THE
lsu and he's supposed to be a guy that's actually
going to be feature right the wide receivers exit and leak,
Neighbors Brian thomas. Gone he's supposed to be one of
the main, weapons and then he once, again even as
a featured, weapon can't really get it done in the red.
ZONE i, mean this is the guy who had six

(47:16):
career touchdowns to last year when he was being targeted.
More and that bothers me at the tight end position
because unless you're a high volume, guy you had to
score touchdowns to ever be a top ten.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Candidate that's the only thing that bothers me About. Taylor
what'd you think about?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
That, YEAH i think that's.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
FAIR i think the one thing AND i don't want
to put up put too much stock into The Senior,
bowl BUT i WHAT i would say, is you, know
he seemed to really stand out in those red zone. Drills,
now look when you're if you're running on, AIR i
don't put too much stock into that, EITHER i, mean
but he seemed to hold his own pretty well against other,

(47:53):
competition AND i liked seeing him run routes and be
able to separate because you, know that's a. Concern, yeah
the production as in the red zone wasn't, there and
that's definitely something that would be a. Concern BUT i don't.
KNOW i, MEAN i GUESS i hadn't really thought about
that too too. Much i'll give you some credit, there

(48:14):
but it's not something that's overly. CONCERNING i get that
they lost some weapons and you would hope that he
would take a step forward. There but to, me the
fact that he was even a starter AT lsu as
a true freshman is in and of itself a plus for.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
There SO i can understand the level of.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
CONCERN i don't really have much to kind of push
back on that and say this is why you shouldn't be.
Concerned you, know he's just going to define himself on
the right, offense which is pretty much most tight ends
outside Of i'll Give Tyler. WARREN i don't think it
matters where he. GOES i think he's going to be
good no matter what. Where some of these other guys
that they get drafted into a situation with a decent
guy in front of, him it might be frustrating to

(48:53):
own them in.

Speaker 7 (48:54):
FANTASY i tend to agree with.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
That all, right we still have one more debate Our
pete loosening up those shoulders and he just went hard.
Round you got another. Round you gotta get in, Here,
bud because you're gonna be Doing Terrence ferguson Versus, chris
who's representing Gunner. Helm adam is gonna Judge. Chris we'll
have you talked, first Since pete needs a break.

Speaker 7 (49:17):
Break so, look Gunnar helm's a guy that everybody's just
gonna kill, athleticism because we saw in the combine he's
four eighty. Four he didn't have a good VERTICAL i
don't know if he was, injured if he's not, Injured
i'm not really. Sure WHAT i do know for a,
fact was WHAT i saw at that. Combine it was
not WHAT i saw on tape going, in AND i

(49:39):
initially penalized him AND i kind of pushed on the.
Board we talked about our show and reactions to some
guys you know who definitely suffered in the. Combine but going,
BACK i look at a guy who you, Know pete
talked about. It Gunnar helms to, me is a guy
who do a little bit of everything AND i get
you in the field On chase talked about that as.
Well you, know we want to find guys who can
get out. There Gunnar helm's a willing. Blocker that's kind
of how he came up in. Tech he has a

(50:00):
chance to kind of shine came this year where they
moved him from in line to outline and kind of
a lot of them in. Motion BUT i like that
flexibility where he has familiarity with both being used in both.
Things you see a guy who that definitely has a basketball,
background and that's WHAT i look for guys when it
comes to for tight end. Positions one or two THINGS
i do like, athletes you, know and we talked about
some other guys. Before pete was talking about the, athletes

(50:21):
whether the, athletics you, know four seven to ones hot
stands out or. NOT i like to have tall the athletic,
guys BUT i also like guys who know how to
use their. Body to, me that's the most important. Thing
is a tight. End you could dominate the contania. Gates
you could dominate like different, ways like A Tony. Gonzalez
there's different ways domintight end. Musician but you have to
be able to do things really. Well and that's WHERE
i see a guy who understands where to. Be he's

(50:42):
a quarterback's best. Friend every time there was a big,
situation whether it Was arch or who were was if
they had something to look. For they weren't looking for the,
bond they weren't looking for golden, yet looking for the
tight end. Position and it was a guy who consistently
came up for, him a guy who was also pretty
de Safety. Arch you have to. Catch for all the
questions about, athleticism ever point six yards after the catch
were of the higher guys or six yards and the

(51:03):
amount of targets he had so when you look at
things of projectibility AND. Nfl he talked, about you, know
A dalton should some of those. Guys to, me he's
at least going to be an average tight. End AND
i think that here's some upside THAT i saw on,
tape and there's some THINGS i think that can definitely you,
know it's about Zach ertz and how he kind of
stills out. There to, me this is a guy who
can age well out there as. Well he's not gonna

(51:24):
be built on using his athleticism to dominate the. Game
what he's going to be able to do IS i
know where to, BE i know how to tack the,
ball AND i don't drop the ball WHEN i catch.
It SO i think all those things that are good for.
Him WHILE i look At ferguson as a guy who
spent a lot of time At, oregon wasn't the full
time starting tight end for most of the, season even
not you, know having some solid production over the last few,
years the athleticism was something that definitely jumped. Out you,

(51:46):
know you definitely get excited when you saw what he
was able to do with the. Combine but mostly WHAT i,
saw and this is similar to how, fad AND i
saw mostly a guy who's getting thrown screens and a
lot of things within five to seven, yards THINGS i
don't necessarily think are going to materialize for this. Guy
in the next level or, offenses players are going to
be designing four or five plays a game involved through
the screen or five or. Passes SO i have some

(52:08):
questions about what the athletism materializes. As and this is
more of a thing for me WHERE i have a
trust WHAT i see on tape and a guy WHO
i THINK i can see playing from day one versus
a guy who has a lot of athletic, talent a
guy WHO i hope can felt, something a guy THAT
i think can be. Something i'm not down on ferguson Per,
se BUT i don't think he's got necessarily the same

(52:29):
pathway TOWARD i Trust, verst a guy WHO i think
this is going to be a tight, end a good
football player already on tape for a guy Who i'm
hoping those skills are not translating at some.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Point, YEAH i think it's funny BECAUSE i just came
out of a conversation between two tight ends where one
is maybe not as sexy but projects to be a
guy that can probably stick around longer in THE nfl
In Gunner helm and Probably Mason, taylor THOUGH i Think
taylor is a better. Athlete and then Now Terrence, ferguson
who we look at as a high ceiling upside player

(52:59):
and kind of similar in the last conversation that we
had WHEN i look At Terrence, ferguson IF i am
taking that upside swing which we kind of talked about
before on the tight end, Position i'd like a guy
like him just BECAUSE i think he's he's better at
blocking than than giving credit for so with his athletic,

(53:21):
ABILITY i do think he can still find himself on
the field in situations for for for downs where he
maybe has to, block and he fits well in like
his zone blocking scheme right he can he can kind
of move pretty well to set edges and with him
he has natural hands, too where he only had two
drops in college in his college, career so he has reliable.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Hands.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Uh so he's a good safety valve and somebody who
look like a guy that maybe isn't gonna get high draft.
Capital you're just looking for him not to make mistakes
to make a roster especially when coaches when when you
think about what they're looking, for and a guy that
can show reliable, hands that's not gonna make, mistakes he's
gonna be a willing, blocker end's not going to drop the.
Football is a guy THAT i think coaches are going
to be willing to give a chance to stick on a.

(54:06):
ROSTER i think he's a pretty good route runner and
finds find zones offt zones pretty well and sits in. Them,
now to your, POINT i think he did have a
pretty pretty decently low depth up target in terms of
like a lot of, screens a lot of manufactured. Touches
BUT i don't think you make manufactured touches for guys
that aren't athletic, Too and so to, me that just

(54:28):
shows that they want to get the ball in his
hands in space and let him.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Work and that's really The oregon offense in a.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
NUTSHELL i, mean look at Bon, nicks, Right people looked
at him and, thought, yeah it's all this easy. THROWS i,
mean like A gabriel last, Year like it just felt
like these easy, throws these.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Layups but that's really just the.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
OFFENSE i don't think it was a product Of ferguson
just not being able to stretch the, field AND i
think it had just more to do with the system
that he was. In but all in, ALL i actually
liked Gunner. HELM i think it was unfortunate that he
just didn't have a great. COMBINE i think he was.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Hurt there was some.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
TALK i think it was his ankle IF i remember,
correctly and somebody can can check me on, that BUT
i THINK i think he had a little bit of
an anchor ankle. Injury and when you talk about weapons around.
Him Isaiah, Bond Matthew, golden who everyone seems to love this,
year even though he didn't have a lot of production
actually on the field in college, football but he flashes on.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Tape but look six five forty.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
ONE i, mean he didn't have a huge target, share
but he had decent players around him in a good.
OFFENSE i wish he would have done, more but, overall
he just he just looks tight on the field when he,
Runs he's not.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Fluid he just reminds me of a.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Dude that's just when you look at like a plotter running,
back like if there was a description for what that
would be for a tight, end like that's what he
reminds me.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Of, like you, know just.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Slow heavy, feet like just but he he can anchor
he can be a guy that can stick around in THE.
Nfl it's just for fantasy.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Football you guys kind of alluded to it, before like
we talked about, it like he's not sexy. THOUGH i
think when we talked About Mason, TAYLOR i think he
has that upside and has some more yards after catchability With,
HELM i think he's gonna stick in THE. Nfl he
played at a big time. Program BUT i just worry,
that like what's his ceiling for production like a tight
end like A Molalley. Cox i'm not saying he Is Molalley,

(56:26):
cox but that's just what it reminds me. Of like
a guy that scores a couple of, touchdowns you, know
and has like like fifteen twenty catches on the season
kind of thing is WHAT i would. Think where he's
in there for blocking, downs he can, run block and all.
That so, YEAH i mean that would be my argument.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
There Gunner helm was the guy at the combine who
falls started on his forty, attempt twisted his, ankle and
then still completed all of his all of his drills
at the. Combine so in his defense, THERE i agree
that he doesn't look fast to. Me but in his, defense,
yes he was injured the combine and he did it
on his forty attempt.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
EFTs what's interesting about this, conversation unlike the last, one
is that there's not a gap in draft. CAPITAL i
mean right now projected draft cow For ferguson's ninety Seven
Gunner helms one oh three like their neck and. Neck, So,
adam this will be an interesting one for you to.
Judge go, Ahead, Bud, Yeah. No to, me this is
like the more further on the extremes of the last.

(57:22):
Conversation i'm more confident In gadsden's ability to develop as
a blocker THAN i am In, ferguson's AND I i
Like Gunner helm's, NUANCES i think a little bit more
Than Mason. Taylor's but WHERE i Have Mason taylor a
touch higher is BECAUSE i don't see the explosiveness potential For.
HELM i do Lean ferguson.

Speaker 8 (57:46):
Here i'll get that out of the way, early my reasoning,
being AND i do Like, helm AND i agree with that.

Speaker 7 (57:51):
Argument first of.

Speaker 8 (57:52):
All, however on the Whole Gunner helm, argument good one
Thing i'll win. Caveat i'm just gonna throw in, there
just a Little, Nate i'm gonna lob in. Here is
that the average depth of target was actually deeper this past.
Season For, ferguson that besides the POINT i for, ME
i think it is just the case of upside Gunner.

(58:13):
HELM i actually, think you, know going back to The
Mason taylor, THING i think that there is a world
Where gonna Gunner helm becomes like a real target earner
because of just being in the right. Places BUT i
think it would be, like here's my My colts fan
coming out of. ME i think it would be like,
That Jack. Doyle i'm just by the line of. Scrimmage i'm.
Open i'm going to catch the ball like every time

(58:33):
you throw it to. Me So i'm here and that's.
FINE i just don't know that you ever get like
real good upside from. It Not it's not a direct,
comparison by the, Way jack. Tho it is a better run,
blocker but just in the sense that THE qb Best friend,
THING i do see as a possibility for Gunner. Helm
With Terrence ferguson again at pre, draft especially When i'm
talking about these, Things i'm just willing to take the.

(58:54):
Gamble we talked about. It there's not a lot of
guys who can make a living going down the field
of the tight end. Position Terrence fergus is the guy
who has the athleticism to do. That that the experience
is the short yard. Guy so if it's an offense
that is using, it how you know THE nfl likes
to use their tight ends right, now that's. FINE i
could run routes close to the line of. Scrimmage i've
been doing. That, however you want to see a guy

(59:15):
WHO i, mean we're talking ninety eighth percentile, avert ninety
first percentile broad, Jump Like i'm gonna burst off the
line of scrimmage And i'm gonna get LIKE i can
get down the, field And i've been successful doing that
WHEN i get have had those, opportunities even though there
are a few and far between due To oregon's. Offense
that's something to me that's. EXCITING i, mean we've seen
it at the tight end. Position, ultimately that like offensive

(59:38):
line and tight end are the positions that are most
likely to be determined by. Athleticism like the athleticism is
the greatest predictor at those positions, Specifically so when it
comes to like a ninety first percentile overall athlete Like Terrence,
Ferguson i'm just gonna give him the.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Nod personally doesn't hurt when you're the titan actually ran
the fastest forty and one of the tight ends who
actually show up the combine.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
Too SO i don't play like frame wise, Right like
he's the guy with the thunder, wingspan he's the guy
with the bigger. Hands he's the guy with like it's
not just Oh i'm fast like Wait, wise you go,
home but everything else you Lean, ferguson like in terms of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Size all, Right so that wraps up all over. Debates
we have one last thing we want to get to
before we close out this. Show we want to give
you one sleeper tight end per. Person, pete you're the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Guest you go. First who's somebody you want to highlight
as a sleeper in your? Ranks?

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Yeah you know it's it's actually funny BECAUSE i realized
THAT i selected a player that was already talked.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
About So i'm shifting.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Here Uh So i'm gonna talk About Jake, bringstool even
THOUGH i wasn't prepared to talk about. Him i'll throw
him up there, anyway since he wasn't talked about too.
Much but, YEAH i mean this is a guy that
took a little bit of time to you, know to
make his. HAY i believe he only had three catches
as a freshman in. College, uh but he projects really

(01:00:59):
more or is like a specialized passing game. Weapon and,
again this is a guy who likely would be a
fifth round kind of dart throw in your rookie, drafts,
right maybe even doesn't even go. Drafted but we talk
about upside and swings and If i'm gonna take a
If i'm gonna draft, Anybody i'm really looking for. UPSIDE i,
mean you're not really looking for safe late in rookie.

(01:01:20):
Drafts but, YEAH i mean he's got a decent. Blend
he played, basketball, right so he has that basketball ish
frame at the tight end, position which you love to see.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
A lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Comps you'll look out, there people think Like Josh, wiley
another kind of, tall lanky pass. Catcher BUT i, mean
coming out Of clemson and wasn't, necessarily LIKE i, said
he bursted onto the. Scene, AGAIN i wasn't necessarily really
prepared to talk about, him SO i don't have stats
in front of me for him specifically right, now but
that'll be my that'll that'll be my short and sweet on.

(01:01:52):
Him you, know someone WHO i think could be worth
a dart, throw you, know just because of his his athletic.
Ability AND i think here's a solid chance maybe he
gets round, five round six, capital which wouldn't be too
bad for a, guy you, know with his athletic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Profile, Well i'll help you out a little bit with
the stass BECAUSE i do got him in front of.
Me so it's seventy three cartet last, year forty nine,
catches five hundred and thirty one, yards seven, touchdowns so
not bad production all the way. Around was the top
forty of missforced, tackles top eight and contested, catches and
he ran out, okay one point twenty seven. Yards poor route,

(01:02:29):
Run not bad when you were talking about A day
three tight end with some upside.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
There so, yeah nice pick by.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
You he is somebody who is consistently being drafted in
THE nfl, draft which is another big thing with some
of these tight. Ends we talk about them later, On,
CHASE i want to get to your sleeper.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Guy who do you, Got? CHASE i think you're or something.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
Tyr there we, Go, hey how's. That i've Got Benya
rossik uh tight end From. Georgia although he kind of
actually made his owns At. Stanford he didn't do a
ton At GEORGIA la last. Season but this is the.
Guy we've talked about a couple of guys who have
some some all you, know all world kind of genetics

(01:03:12):
here With Aronde, gadsden you, know the second and we
talked About Mason taylor With Jason taylor and his UNCLE
i believe Is Zach Thomas. Uh Beni roskik's a guy
whose dad played football At Colorado. State his mom PLAYED
d one volleyball At Colorado, state so he's got he's
got some pedigree as. Well but he had a shoulder
injury in twenty twenty, three didn't play you, know the

(01:03:33):
whole heck of a lot that, year and then last
year he transferred From stanford so he could escape that
horrific quarterback play that they alleged quarterback play what they
call out, there transferred To georgia for a senior season
here kind of ended up playing Behind Oscar delpin loss And.
Lucky both those guys were returnees as they kind of
tried to figure out who was going to replace Brock

(01:03:54):
bowers for, them they found out there is no replacing Brock,
bowers no matter how many guys you try to throw
out the. Problem But eurrosik was he wasn't utilized as
the biggest passing, back passing tight end of the three.
Was he was the best blocker of the three though
by far they used him that. Way he didn't get
quite the usage in the past game the other two.
Did but he is a willing. Blocker he's got good.

(01:04:14):
Form you, know he plays well that. Way but this
is a guy who's not just the. Blocker this is the.
Guy in twenty twenty two was second On stanford in.
Receptions he was third on the team in. Yards in
twenty twenty, one he Led stanford in yards and he
was second in. RECEPTIONS i mentioned the shoulder entry in
twenty twenty. Three but he's a guy, who over the
course of his career played in line half the. Time

(01:04:36):
but he's able to move around the. Formation you can
deploy him in other ways there WHEN i watch him on,
tape especially his stuff From, stanford but even you know
the stuff that he did when he was targeted last
season At. GEORGIA i JUST i like the receiving skills
that he's shown. There he's not great after the, catch
but the receiving. Skills he's not an electric, athlete but

(01:04:57):
the actual catching the football part of, THINGS i really.
Like he concentrates, well he tracks the ball, well catches
with his hands contested or. Otherwise SO i like that.
ABILITY i like that skill set of. His and THEN
i talked about him as a. Blocker he's only he's
six four two forty, two so he's not the biggest
guy that we've talked about, tonight but he's. Not he's not.

(01:05:18):
Small he's not you, know a teeny tiny hero fan
in or anything like. That he blocks bigger than he,
is which sounds funny coming from a guy five to,
Five BUT i look for those kinds of. Things you,
know he went To, stanford so you know he's, smart
Right and just in, ALL i think that That Ben
rrossik looks like a really well rounded player at that,
position AND i think he could be a real steal

(01:05:39):
in the. DRAFT i JUST i wish he could have
played with an actual quarterback At stanford so we could have,
seen you, know he may not have transferred for that senior.
Year he may have stayed there and actually been able
to put forth some production that would still stick out
in people's minds BECAUSE i understand we're drafted in twenty
twenty five and the last time we're talking about him
as a producer's twenty twenty. Three but it's a kid

(01:05:59):
that can play some, football you, know if if he's
healthy and if he goes to the right. Spot So Ben,
roscik somebody's on my, radar all, Right, chris let's hear from.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
You, Yeah i'm gonna go With John Jalen Kwan conyers
From Texas, tech a guy they went To Arizona state,
previous a guy who is a really nice wingspan for
his size sixty, four two. SIXTY i like that he
was two seventy five for most this season and he
played at a book. Moved WHICH i like about that
is the sense that he actually lost weight for the
combine when the big knocks on. Him was kind of

(01:06:29):
his effort all the. Time it was the guy that's
always gonna give it. All but we talk a lot
about our excitement about you, Know ardaber one tight end
on our. Boards Tyler warren ex, wait all the things
he can, do how they use them in a, wildcat
how they haven't throw touchdowns and all that. Things, Well
Jalen criers did all those things. Too Jalen connor's three
two touchdown, passes a guy with a lone, up a full,
back a lot of h back lined, up all different

(01:06:50):
you know places on the. Field has been utilized as
a running back as well at twenty carries a couple
of seasons. Ago so the guy that you can see
utilized in a lot of different ways has been a.
Weapon and LIKE i, said the big knock against him
have been that you know isn't always go getting all
effort isy in. Shape you saw some progress with. That
you see a pretty good. Athlete you see guys who
are much smaller than him run similar. Forties AND i

(01:07:11):
like the VERTICAL i like the ability to go high
point the. Ball So i'm big on. Guys if you're
going to be a seam stretcher and it can just be,
fastened they start to seem to be able to go
up and tack the. Ball AND i like the powerfulward body.
DAN i like the you know guy who looks CONTRACT
i may have dreamond green in the stands out, there
has really long, arms has a good but body it
kind of blocks you. Out but, also LIKE i, said
able to high point the ball really. Well So Jillen

(01:07:31):
connor is the guy that people aren't talking a lot.
About been pretty productive and LIKE i, said had a
lot of different ways he get on the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Field cheat code phrases in fantasy, football, quarterback, mobility basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Player tight. END i, mean this is we're gonna have
to coin, it and we gotta come up with a
better phrase than, that but we're got to coin that, Somehow,
adam what you got yeah for?

Speaker 8 (01:07:50):
ME i mean, candidly, like outside of the guys who
talked about at the, top he's the only one who
just meets like thresholds THAT i have to care about
you for fantasy as a tight.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
End and.

Speaker 8 (01:08:00):
We talked about it off the jump of the show
about the narrative around the tight end. CLASS i Think
i'm a little bit lower on it than the average
person to, be you, know, Candid But Joshua simon to,
me does meet some of these. Thresholds talk about the,
ATHLETICISM i, mean admittedly it's some of the explosiveness doesn't
necessarily show on tape as much AS i would, love

(01:08:22):
but you love that it's in there at the very.
Least but, look ninety six percentile, wingspan eighty third percentile
arm length literally meets the offensive tackle thresholds at arm,
length massive hands, good forty good better ten yard split
as far as the forty, goes and the burst score
is outrageous for the ninety third percentile avert in a

(01:08:44):
ninety first percentile broad jump someone who started his collegiate
career At Western. Kentucky he is a doctor in the
sense that he'd spent six years in. College having said,
that he is an early breakout in the sense that
you wouldn't think it based on this. Tistics but his
target earned percentage is actually fairly high those first two,

(01:09:04):
seasons especially the, second because That Western kentucky team couldn't
throw the football.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
For, shit just.

Speaker 8 (01:09:10):
No better way to say. It, LIKE i think they
had nineteen hundred yards a sophomore. Season he got four.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Hundred damn.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
It that's like twenty.

Speaker 8 (01:09:17):
Percent so like it's kind of the reality of the
situation he was put. IN i think he made the
most of. It transferred out To South, carolina where first
season Of South carolina didn't too too, much but he
was in a bit of a time share as yards
per out rum was actually pretty solid and this, year you,
know was for the most part the guy one of

(01:09:39):
The as far as his, HANDS i thought they were
on the whole. Average but SOMETHING i really liked is
he didn't have too many drops in. Traffic it felt,
like you, know he wasn't that worried about getting, hit
which is something at the tight end position THAT i
like to. See you get a little bit of, slot
like big slot and you, know actual inline tight end.
Versatility it wasn't my favorite run blocker to say the.
Least Uh and you, know the route tree definitely has some,

(01:10:01):
polishing but just to know that the athletic upside is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
There he's got the frame there were you.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Know, again he meets thresholds and for a tight end
class for, me like everyone after him is just not
like Someone i'm that interested.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
In to be honest with, YOU.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I like it all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Right So i'll wrap it up with my, guy and
that Is Thomas. Fadona love him From, nebraska and this
is the reason WHY i love, him especially as a.
Sleeper when you're talking about these guys were going. LATER
i want somebody who has a, chance a chance to
play all three. DOWNS i actually kind of camp from
The Jaden Jayden Hayden hurst reminds me a lot of

(01:10:40):
that skill. Set not gonna blow you away with his,
athleticism but does run good routes, underneath can be that chain,
mover can be that quarterback best. Friend at the same,
time he's not an awful. Blocker he might actually be
left on the field in certain situations in short yardage
and goal line and everything. Else was in the above
average category according TO pff run blocking grades six' five two.

(01:11:02):
Forty three his athletic combine was. Was fine it, wasn't
great but it. Was fine four to seven flat on
the forty was six in his ten, yards split was
third in his three, cone drill which shows up. On
tape with the way he can, run Routes, and adam
you talked about your guy having offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Tackle measurables thirty four.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Inch arm ten five, Eights hands so if a dome
can play the, in line and he was able to
play fifty. To fifty he played in the slot and
on in line almost about fifty percent of. The time
so the guy can do both is the guy's not
gonna Go to, day THREE but i think he's a
STARTING caliber nfl. Tight end he'll probably get a pickup
off your waiver wire after your rookie drafts, are done

(01:11:43):
stashingal and tax squad depending upon where he lands one
point four to one yards per.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Route run not too, shabby there and he was also
twenty fourth in missed. Tackles force THAT'S.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
What, i, said like this is a bigger guy who's,
not flashy but he can do all the little things
you're looking for for starting tight end and who could
be maybe a top fifteen tight end fantasy producer at
some point in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
His career, with that we're going to wrap up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Today's, SHOW pete i want to thank you so much
for coming on banging out these tight ends.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
With us it was wonderful to have you, on absolutely,
YOU know i think you fit really well with the. Group,
too actually but what do you have? Working on where
do you want people to follow?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
You, at YEAH so i am currently working on it's in.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
The works i'm going to do a thirty TWO team
dst primer once the draft, is done once we kind
of get closer to. Training camp it's hard that it's
gonna be so much changes with defense from year. Over
years so once we get the schedules and everything, Like
that i'm just gonna kind of do some sort. Of
primer it's just gonna be more of a. Fun exercise
i'm gonna put it, out there maybe produce it IN

(01:12:50):
a pdf for some sort of book. OR something i
got to figure out how to get it out there and.
Market it but Working With. Player profiler just started, with
them just put out my first rookie. Mock draft excited
to kind of start pushing out, some content, you know
AS this nfl draft goes and we can kind of
sit here and stop talking about these rookies and projecting
all these things and kind of have a better feel

(01:13:11):
for what's. Gonna HAPPEN but i appreciate you guys having.
Me on it was a lot of fun AND hopefully
i can come. Back again oh we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Definitely have you. On, again pete. For sure are you
going the expo?

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
THIS year I think. I am I think hall it's
gonna come with. ME too i think we're gonna make
the drive. Up together.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
So awesome we'll definitely be seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
You There Fantasy Football advice network we are sponsoring the
event again, this year so you know we'll all be
there in. Full force can't wait. For, that also can't
wait For the draft, next week, so again go to
our YouTube channel at f Of. Advice net you'll be
able to find us. On there we're going to a
big draft event From The crows Restaurant. In nashville we

(01:13:48):
are doing a second, day too but we're all gonna
be available if you're In The midwestern tennessee Radio Station
fox sports, station area so we won't be like to
see that on. The stream but first night we'll, be
live giving, away stuff having a great old time and
give you a lot of information. In Between Download operation
domination on your favorite podcast app, and guys we'll see you.
Next time, HEY there i want to thank you For

(01:14:13):
Watching operation domination today and if you're enjoining, the show.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
There are some wigs you can help.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Support us you can go to podchaser dot Com Slash
operation domination and leave us a five star review and
you can do this on any podcast platform or on
our YouTube page when you go TO at Ff. Advice
network this completely helps out the show be able to
grow and also leave us comments to let us know

(01:14:39):
how we can curtail the show to you because you
are the most important member of. The show, so again
go to podchaser dot Com Slash operation domination to leave
a five star review and leave a comment wherever you
listen or watch the show and will help better.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Serve you

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}POST SHOW :Top Sleeper TEs You Can't Ignore in 2025 Fantasy Drafts!

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

All Episodes

POST SHOW :Top Sleeper TEs You Can't Ignore in 2025 Fantasy Drafts!

Stuff You Should Know