The Best, The Busts, and The Sleepers | Wide Receivers - Operation Domination Football

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
All right, all right, welcome into Operation Domination. We got
the best, the bust and the sleeper Wide Receiver episode
for you guys here today, continuing on this series, as
we are in the nitty gritty officially of redraft season,
I mean September seventh is like two weeks away this weekend,
next weekend, leading up all the way to Thursday, all

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the way up until the kickoff for the Eagles and
the Dallas Cowboys. Everyone's gonna be going crazy drafting, so
we have to get everybody ready. And the Wide Receiver
episode is one of the biggest episodes that we say,
Bickley do oh. By the way, I'm your host, Dan
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Speaker 3 (01:06):
I know, lame whatever, but it's okay because we have
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The old lady.

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The moments silence after that, what's up, buddy, that's perfect?
That was perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
A pause for applause.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, it's so good to be here, guys. Thank you
also for having me on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Thank you, Yeah, thank you for being here. It's definitely
been a long time coming. We hooked up there and
the Expo, and I was not gonna let you get
away without getting you on a show this season.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Finally, that's a great time the expo.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
By the way, if you guys are wondering, you know,
the Expo is gonna be a couple of weeks earlier
actually next year, last week of July. Show up like
hutches there, we're there. Everybody's everywhere. Like you just want
fantasy football, that's the time to do it. Come on down. Well,
we'll set you guys up real nicely, all right. So
we do have a lot to talk about. I don't
want to waste too much time. So again, this is

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the best, the bust and the sleeper wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
We have our top fives.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
We always put this in the outline beforehand, right and
I want to see what the conversations that we're gonna
have take place. The one conversation that I don't think
we need to have is Jamar Chase, Ceedee Lamb justin Jefferson.
We all have them as our top three. Chase is
a little weird with the whole like I have Jefferson
number two instead of Lamb, where me and Hutch you have,
you know, one, two and three. We have the right one,

(02:53):
two and three on like Chase over here. But whatever
three that you want, that's completely fine. I do want
to get into one conversation though, because Hods you have
Nico Collins as your number four wide receiver overall, we
don't have him in our top five. I'm very intrigued
to see where your stance is why he cracks the
top five in your rankings.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
So yeah, when you look at Nico Collins, he cracks
the top five for me because he is going to
be a dominator of a target share in this offense
with Cedah stroud him and trying to clearly have a
great relationship. When you look at Collins before his injury
last year, he was on pace for two thousand receiving
yards and that's not a joke. You can look that up.
Last season. He was on pace for two thousand plus
receiving yards before that injury. Then he came back, wasn't

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fully the same off that injury. Came back a little early,
and he was still great, but not the same newco
Collins we saw in the first half of the season.
I mean, as long as this guy is healthy, he
is like a six three six four, two hundred plus
pound wide receiver that is electric fast. He can may
plays at every range in the field. And this offseason,
the Texans have replaced Stefan Diggs and Tank Dell, who's

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probably gonna miss this entire season due to injury, with
two Day two rookies and a journeyman NFL wide receiver
Christian Kirk who's been on a few teams now, he's
been traveling across the league last couple of years. Like
that's I would say that's less competition compared to what
Tang Dell as a talent when he's healthy and Stefan
Diggs when he's healthy, can do. So I'm looking at
Nico Collins as a guy who's gonna be the clear

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cut wide receiver one for Cear Shroud and what should
be a very productive offense and we know the type
of yards of to catch up, the type of deep
playability that Collins has in the red zone threat that
he presents. I think he could absolutely be a top
five receiver this year. And when you look after Chase
Lamb and Jefferson, there are so many receivers after that
you could put in any order and I would totally
agree with you, Like I could totally see it. Like

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I'm looking at both your lists, Jason Dan right now,
I'm like, yep, I could totally see that. That's totally fair.
Like this first tier, a couple tiers of wide receivers
is a big tier where it's like they're a big
group of great players that you can put a lot
of different orders and I'd be cool with it. So,
but Nico Holly just cream of the crop for me,
because if he's healthy, it's gonna be a monster.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, there really is not a ton of separation once
you go side those top three. That's why I mentioned yeah,
top three right there, And you're absolutely right, Nico was
on a tear of a pace. Here's the here's the
one thing I'm gonna throw at you. He has not
been able to finish a full season at any point
in his career. I think that's the downfall of it.
To your point, though, target share could be out the
wazoo because of what they replaced Tank Dell and Stefan

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Diggs with and he was still on that pace wall.
Those two are still healthy, so there, but any concerns
with that part of it, Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Injury concern is definitely there. It's definitely something you have
to consider in your fantasy football drafts. But honestly, like
with a player like Nico, it's just and the players
at the top of the draft, really you just gotta
take your shots because these guys are getting huge workloads.
These guys are getting immense amount of volume, especially the
running back position. There's gonna be injuries at the top.
It's that simple. You're gonna have guys that bust because
they tailor acl week two, or they just have a

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really bad hit and they get a shoulder. And these
guys are just taking so many hits week after week
after week, and some of them get into more often
the others. That's true. Nico. Your ays to your point,
has not been able to play a full season yet.
But I just think with all these guy you're taking
a big risk of injury because of how many touches
they're getting. So I'm I kind of ignore injuries almost
when I'm ranking these guys, especially at the top.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Full disclosure.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I have Nego Collins my wide receiver eight, so I'm
not all that far behind you.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, we're right there, We're right in the same tier.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
So here's another guy.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Now, Hutch and Chase both have this player, Elik Neighbors
in their top five. I do not, and I think
I kind of have an argument as to why I
don't have them. Now again, full disclosure, I have him
at ten. I'm not getting crazier. But Chase, why don't
you take this away? Because you got him a number four,
save him a spot higher than Hutch does. Why is
he's Why are you so confident that he's definitely a
top five wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Well, we're talking about a guy that was already the
wide receiver seven overall last season. He was wide receiver
seven or eight points per game, depending on whether you
want to count Chris Godwin in his seven games of
absolute through the roof of production in front of him
or not. But so he's already right there on the
doorstep after his you know, freshman season, call it his
freshman season. This is a guy that he was third

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in the league in receptions with one hundred and nine
He was second in the league in targets with one
hundred and seventy twelve hundred and four yards. That was
seventh in the league. He scored seven touchdowns. And I
look at what's going on this season, and there's nothing
appreciably different with that pass group, with that pass corps.
He still has the same people playing across from him,
playing with him in personnel groupings the backfield. Okay, Cam

(07:23):
Scattabo comes in, But passing down wise, are we really
going to see anything a whole lot different than what
we saw last year between Tracy and Singletary.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I don't think we do.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
The one big difference that they do have is that
they're going to have a new quarterback or three throwing
to them this season as opposed to the four that
they had thrown to them last season. But if you
look at I mean, look what look what he did
last season. I just rattled off his numbers with you,
and last season he was catching balls from Danny Dimes,
who I know is one of your favorites. Dan the

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new starter in Indianapolis, by the way, and then also
Drew Locke, who has flamed out in just about everywhere
he's been so far.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
In the pros.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
We're talking about Tim boyle X, third stringer from from
you know, Green Bay, that threw some passes, and then
Tommy Cutltz Tommy DeVito threw him some passes as well
last year.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Tommy Chicklitz call him the right name, Tommy Chicklitz is
not cutlets and you're not cutting out Chickltz.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Well, I'm not going to disrespect the man like that.
I've seen his family on films on tams.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
But no, listen, do we really think that this year's
combination of Russell Wilson, some combination of Russell Wilson, Jameis
Winston and probably at some point Jackson Dart is going
to be any worse than what we saw from that
group last year. And he already put up almost a
top five season with that group last year. I think that,

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you know, with another year underneath his belt, I think
he's I think he's going to be just fine. If
you look at his reception perception numbers from mister Matt
Harmon over there, he wins on his routes. He wins
on every type of route that he runs. He beats
man consistently. He's very good against man there, and as
the year went on, he proved against zone coverage to
the point where he's not I mean, there's not really

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a hole right now in his game. In my opinion,
Joe Shane and Brian Dabele are on the hot seat.
This team needs to win neighbors as their best weapon.
I think that means they go through him. So I'm
psyched up about neighbors, and I've got some questions about
some of the guys that may be ranked ahead of
him last year, you could rank ahead him this year.
As Hutch made the point, i mean, just now, there's

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a big tier here and there. There's ways to shuffle
and ways to argue for all of them. When I
look at the arguments, I see Neighbors in the top five.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Okay, So I'm going to try to push back and
then Hutch.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'm gonna let Hutch rebuttal because I know he agrees,
and with Chase, this has nothing to do my rank
of having a ten, not a top five, has nothing
to do.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
In the league.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Neighbors absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I mean, I know he's got to toe the shoulder
and all that injury stuff going on. I could point
that out. Ultimately, I'm not really worried about that. While
you can make the argument, and I wouldn't argue with
you that Russell Wilson is a better quarterback, the NFL quarterback.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
That is, than a Daniel Jones and all.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
The hash posh that the Giants tried to throw out
after Daniel Jones went over to the Minnesota Vikings. I
wouldn't argue with you about that, but I do push
back on the idea a little bit that Russell Wilson,
for fantasy purposes is actually better for Elik neighbors than
Daniel Jales was. So remember the first ten weeks with Jones,
he was wide receiver five, So he was on his

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way to finishing higher than what he wound up doing
with Jones in there, and he was on pace for
nearly two hundred targets. We're talking about like one hundred
ninety nine point eight. Basically two hundred targets was what
his season pace was with Daniel Jones. Because what I
can consistently expect that the Jones to do is to
target the middle of the field within seven to ten yards,

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over and over and over and over again. So I
want Alle Robinsons one hundred and forty targets and nobody
knew about the season was over.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
He's going to target that section of the field. He's
not gonna target necessarily outside. He's not gonna push the
ball deep beyond the numbers. That's not his game. And
Brian Dable is all too happy to have him Leak
Neighbors line up and run all those patterns and everything
like that. It's fantastic. Russell Wilson comes in. That's not
his game. He wants to push the ball the outside.
I do think Darius Slayton is going to be a

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little bit more involved in what we saw with Daniel Jones. Now,
I'm not saying it takes away a huge target share
from Leak Neighbors, don't get me twisted. But I also
don't know does Wilson really have the ability to get
a top twenty wide receiver going anymore? Like last time
he had a twentieth rank wide receiver was twenty twenty two.
Since then, Cortland Sudden was wide receiver thirty six and

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twenty twenty three. George Pickens was wide receiver thirty in
week seven to eighteen when he started last season, and
both of those guys were jump ball x perimeter wide receivers,
and that's the only one he got the ball to.
You can make the argument only two receivers to get
the ball too on the respective teams. That wouldn't argue
with you there, But at the same time, that's what
he does. He was second last year in deep ball completion,

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but overall he doesn't push the ball down the field
as much as he used to. Like last year was
seven point four yards per attempt, seven point nine a dot.
The year was actually was an improvement, believe it or
not in the other Arthur Smith offense and what we
saw in Denver because it was six point nine and
seven the year before. I mean like he was barely
getting the ball pass the line of scrimmage the year

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before that. So I just think it's a little bit interesting.
I also think the volume is interesting. Daniel Jones averaged
thirty four pass attempts a game last season. Russell Wilson
hasn't been above thirty two since twenty twenty. Like this,
he comes in and the coach sing staff decides we
don't want you to throw the ball time. That's what
they wound up finding out. Now, maybe Russell Wilson's not

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the starter all year. I would not be surprised we
see Jackson Dart at some point. I'd be a little
bit surprised if we saw Jameis Winston. I do think
it's gonna go right from Russell Wilson to Jackson Dart.
I don't know if Winston really gets a crack unless
there's an injury, but I do think with the Giants
defense improving and Russell Wilson being the quarterback, I think
we're gonna see a little.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Less passing volume.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think you're gonna see Darius Layton involved a little
bit more, and I think it's just enough for a
tier that's tight that he winds up falling more towards
ten if you're drafting in the top five. Also, I'll
add this on the finish off my point, the Giants
got a rough schedule for wide receivers. It's twenty first
schedule ranking for the wide receiver position heading this year
for Fantasy.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know, Hutch you had anything to rebuttal On that.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, a couple of things I would want to add.
I mean, I think the argument made about the deep passes,
I think that's actually gonna be really good for elite neighbors.
Milite neighbors is plenty willing to work down field. He
showed to be a fifty to fifty ball monster last year.
He's happy to run those deep routes. And all you've
seen in practice reports, all you've seen in the highlights,
all you've seen in camp, Russell Wilson just throwing moon
ball to the elite neighbors, all practiced wrong. That's all

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we've seen. Like every highlight coming out of the Giants
camp right now is Molaie neighbors getting a moon bow downfield.
And we saw last year obviously didn't always work with
Pickens because you know, I honestly think Pickens isn't that
talented of a wide receiver that he can do some
big plays, but as a consistent wide shriver one, I
just don't think it's very much there. And you saw
it last year where George Pickens was getting constant targets downfield.

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When you look at Russell Wilson and he played, he
was a top five quarterback in terms of twenty plus
yard a tenth rate like that. Dude was just chucking
the football downfield and he was happy to throw it
downfield to George Pickins no matter what the coverage was.
And I see similar things happen from elak Neighbors. When
you look at his ability to work downfield, I think
we're gonna see so many big plays. And like Chase
was arguing, he's the clear cut watch everyone on that team.
There's literally no other no one else that's gonna compete

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with him. I understand Darius slink work downfield, but this
is Darius Slayton man. Lak Neighbors is on a different level,
and I think we're gonna see consistent targets for him downfield.
But yeah, and honestly, something else I add too. You
know you want to highlight the Lake Nighbors talents. You
guys were talking about some season long paces. He had
a concussion in Week four and that definitely impacted his
play or beat five it was, and that definitely impacted
his to play the rest of the season. You saw

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some times where he didn't look as well. You look
at those first four weeks when he's playing, his pace
was two or twenty one targets, one hundred and forty
nine receptions, one thousand, six hundred and forty one yards,
and thirteen touchdowns. Like, the dude is monstrously talented, and
I think I think it's gonna work enough with Russ.
And if Russ gets bench and we see Jameis playing,
that's a whole different level of fun. James. Jamis will

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set it to him every play pass ray will be
like one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, if Jamis plays, throw everything I said out the window.
I'm lot more basting on the idea that I don't
think James Is going to get that opportunity again, Listeners
an injury, I think they're gonna go right to the
Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
But yeah, he played, I would agree most likely they
go to Jackson Dart next. He's been playing really well
in preseason, he's been flashing. I would expect they would
go that way as well. But there's always a chance.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
And I can't I can't argue with you on the
whole Wilson not necessarily being great for Fantasy wide receivers.
But I mean, like I said, they have to win,
They're gonna have to throw the ball at some point,
whether it's Russell or whether it's Jackson Dark the leak Neighbors.
Of the top twelve guys last year, top twelve wide
receivers in yardage, only one of those twelve saw a

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lower percentage of catchable balls among his targets than Malik.
Neighbors did not even seventy percent of the balls thrown
his way were even catchable, Okay, and he still had
and he still put up that kind of of a year.
I think that whether it's Wilson, who has been a
more accurate passer than anybody else that we've looked at

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on that list in his pro career, or whether it's
Jackson Dart, who got better every year in terms of
his his accuracy in college to the point where he
was a sixty nine percent passer last season, I just
don't think it's it's a stretch to say that he
should see a much higher percentage of catchable balls this

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year among the targets that do go to him. And
I don't think that his volume. I don't think his
volume takes as big a hit maybe as what you're
thinking it does there, Dan, So I'm still comfortable taking
him where I wanted to and.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, I know you even talk about leak neighbors for
ten minutes. But one thing I want to add to
you about the George Piggins conversation. I think that why
does your thirty mark is a little flow because when
you look at what he did, Actually, when you look
at the bye week on Russell Wilson played like one
week and week nine, and then you go to the
bye week, week ten, we ten through thirteen, George Pickens
was averaging wide receiver one level numbers. He was about

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like sixteen points fifteen sixteen points per game, and then
he got hurt and then he came back with like
the last one or two games of the season and
didn't play like himself, and that really tanked his points
per game numbers. So when you looked at him when
he was healthy with Russ's starting quarterback and it's only
four games that dude was really good for fantasy, I
think the injuries and when he came back early and

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that really hurt him in terms of his points per
game at the end of the season. There So I
think that wide receiver thirty mark would be a lot
better if he hadn't got hurt all back by that
as well.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, all all fair points.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
We'll see he did of Courtland Sutton still couldn't ge
him past thirty six, and court Sutton was healthy with
him all season long too. But we'll see a different offense,
different time, different type of wide receiver. I do want
to talk about somebody that Chase and I having our
top five, the Hutch you do not. So we have
Drake London in our top five, and I am all
about Drake London this year. So I'll start get you

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in there, Chase, if you have anything rebuttal coming out afterwards.
But I just don't think we've seen the best of
Drake London. The guy's turning twenty four years old. He's
literally just kind of entering his prime, kind of like
Hutch over here, which is kind of scary to think about.
And then on top of it, like you look at
all these different metrics for wide receivers that we've come
to find that our predictive for these guys year over year,

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especially when they're about to enter their prime, and he
just hits everywhere you want him to hit, right. He
was third and first three percentage, He was eighth in
first downs per route run. There's just a lot of
meat left on the table. Like fantasy points per route
run was point four, was point four to six, his
expected fantasy points per route run was supposed to be
point five to six.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
That would make him the wide receiver six last year.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
And that's with dealing with a Kirk Cousins who can't
throw the ball anymore with no shoulder left. Like, that's
what we're talking about here, because remember he only had
three games with Michael Pennix. And when we talk about
what he did with Michael Pennix, like I get, I
get mentioned the insane thirty nine percent target share. I
guess he's not gonna do that throughout an entire season.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
So that's almost receiving guard pace too.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But he's not gonna get a thirty
nine percent target share throughout the entire year, at least
I don't think he's going to anyway. Darnold Moody getting
hurt definitely make it more interesting, though, is a small sample.
But what I will take out of that that I
do think could play out throughout this entire season was
that you saw his A dot rise to over from

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ten point six to twelve point nine in those three games,
the big players are going to be there. I've talked
about this throughout the offseason that Michael Pennix to me,
he seems like Jameis Winston without the turnovers, Like he's
going to take the shots down the field. That's what
I'm looking at. That's great things for wide receivers. He
played a really similar Drake London this says, played a
really similar role to Pukinnaku in that Rams offense, or

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remember Zach Robinson. That's the type of offense that they're
running here where he's kind of like sixty two percent
routes outside thirty seven percent from the slot. When you
get that mixture, you don't have to worry about matchups.
You come match up proof because now you're getting moved
around the formation. You're not gonna get lined up on
a premier corner weekend and week out at any point
in time. So he finished last year as the wide

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receiver five in total points. I get that it was
wide receiver fourteen points per game.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
But when you.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Add all those things up and add up the fact
that he is just entering his prime, I think Drake
London winds up being a top five wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
So hutch What do you think because you don't have
him in the top five.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I have him at seven, Like he's right there,
Like he's again it's the same argument that I made earlier.
If like, it's a giant tier of wide receivers and
you can jumble them any way you want, I'm totally
happy with it. And that's just how it happened here
a little bit. The only thing I'd rebettalle back. I mean,
I think Michael Penicks can be very, very good. But
when I look at the quarterback situations of all the
other receivers I have in front, they feel a little
bit more secure and as a result, or they feel

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or The only one I'd argue is Justin Jefferson that
might not be secure, but he's justin Jefferson. It's a
little bit of a different player there with Jefferson. But
with London. It's like Michael Penick. We saw him three games.
He looked alright, had a couple of shootouts in that
in that time. In those three games, is he really
the real deal? Is he really gonna be able to
elevate this offense to a different level than Kirk Cousins was.
And I do think he can do it, and that's

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why I have Drake Lennon ranked pretty highly. If I
didn't think that at all, i'd have Drake Lennon ranked
a little lower. But I do think Michael Pankes did
do and I do think we're gonna see a very
good season from Drake London. It's just there's a slightly
bit more confidence in the quarterback and the offense for
other players I've ranked. To Farnham. That's what pushed him
to watch She were seven, so that's like watched her
four or five.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Okay, I like it. Chase you anything real quick that
yeah and all that.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
That's a fair point there too, But like I just
want to say, like, I mean, Drake London, Yeah, you
mentioned those three games that he had with Pennix, and yeah,
he's not going to average a nineteen hundred yard pace,
but his targets per game did increase with Pennix in there,
from eight and a half per game on average for
the first fourteen weeks to thirteen per game with Michael Pennix.

(21:56):
He also increased his points per target in those in
that playing time with those three games, So I mean
you're talking about he's gonna skyrocket. I think in terms
of what he is able to do with the looks
that he gets. That one player that had a worse
completion or a percentage of catchable balls thrown his way
in the top twelve receivers, by the way, was mister

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Drake London, and I expect that to improve this year
as well. I think he's going to see more catchable
targets than he did last season, a higher percentage of them. Anyway,
I love everything about the idea of Drake Lennon being
a number one guy and finally, like you said, showing
what he's fully capable of instead of being held back
by Arthur Smith and company like he has been the
last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
All Right, So we do have a debate that's going
to transition us from our top five to our bus five.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
So let's hit it.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
So I'm a mom Ross Saint Brown in my top five.
I got him a number four. Putch blew my mind
and put him in his bus lists. Yes, so guests
go first. Why is aman Ross Saint Brown a bus
according I'm assuming according to his ADP.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So yeah, I think it's more ADP for me. I
have him ranked as a wider Shriver one as a
top twelve player. But he's right on the end of
that wider Shiver one range, and I have him ranked
a little lower compared to consensus, and I call him
a bust. And the thing is, when you hear bust,
you're often gonna think, Oh, he's completely gonna kill you.
I just think that when you draft him, you're gonna
be disappointed. I think you're going to draft him really
high in that high first round range, and he's gonna

(23:26):
finish as a low wider Shriver one. You're just gonna
kind of feel a little burnt. Like how we were
drafting Bije on his rookie season. We were drafting was
the top three running back. He came out finished a
RB nine and everyone wanted to burn him at the
stake because it was like, what the heck happened? Guys?
He was supposed to be everything and he just wasn't.
And I just think of Moner Saint Brown. This is
the kind of season we'll received for him, and it's
not because of him as a talent. He's a fantastic player.

(23:46):
I am really high on Jamison Williams this year. I
think when you look at Jamison Williams as a player,
as a prospect and what he could do in this season.
I think he could legit lead this team in receiving
yards this season over a Mona On Saint Brown. And
here's why. When you look at Jamis and Williams as
a physical athlete, He's faster than Monor of Saint Brown.
He's more explosive than Saint Brown. He has abilities to
work down field that Saint Brown simply does not. He

(24:08):
has the speed, the ability after the catch that Saint
Brown simply doesn't, the physical tools. When you look at
that overall, it favors Jamison Williams. There's no there's no
major argument against that. Jamison williams talent and speed and
athleticism is just beyond human. There's a reason he was
drafted like top twelve in the draft back a couple
of years ago. He was an elite talent. And now

(24:28):
when you look at the mental abilities the football IQ,
that's where Monery State Brown's been winning the last couple
of years. He knows exactly where he needs to be
to get the football. He knows exactly how to run
every route on the field, and he just knows how
to play the game of football as a wide receiver,
and Jamison Williams over the last couple of years, even
though he's dealt with injuries, that acl tear that he
had when he was drafted, that suspension, a couple suspension

(24:50):
that he's had with the gambling issues, but now he
was back in the second half of last season, obviously
Detroit had to pass more because their defense was really
injured and falling apart, So that obviously led to an
increase in targets for Jamison Williams. But Jamison Williams really
stepped up to the plate. When you look at his
route tree, it was, you know, look at different charts
and look into his ability getting separation on every route.

(25:10):
His route treue was so advanced last year he was
running every single route to perfection in zone coverage and
man coverage. He noticed exactly where he needed to be
to get the football. He ran rounds perfectly know exactly
where Jared Goff needed to go with it, and he
seemed to develop that football IQ that a Mona Saint
Brown has. And now when you look at it, if
he already has the physical tools and now he has
those mental tools in the football IQ. He could end

(25:30):
up being a better player than a Mona Saint Brown.
Saint Brown was drafted as a Day three pick. Jamison
Williams was drafted top twelve. He was destined to be
a better player. And now after a few years of
dealing with the injuries, dealing suspensions, we could get there
this year. The coaching staff last year was all hyping
up Jameis Williams like he's gonna be the breakout player
of on our offense. He's gonna break out this year.
This is the year for Jamo. This is it for him.

(25:51):
And now he broke out last year, right and now
always see from the coaches aff right now, the new
offensive coordinator, Dan Campbell, everybody's saying Jamo's gonna break out
this year. He already one thousand yards last year. There's
plenty of room for more ceiling here for Jmo. All
the camp reports have been very, very ecstatic about him.
And when you look at the new offensive coaching staff,
obviously we know Ben Johnson favors a slot really heavily.

(26:11):
He talked about to the media. He's talked about that
to the media ever since he became the Bears head coach.
That he loves the slot position. There's a reason he
hand picked Luther Burden in the second round of the draft.
He is perfect for that slot roll. And now you
look at the new offensive coordinatre, those coordinators do not
have the same favorability to the slot that Ben Johnson did.
And I wouldn't be surprised if you see a couple
dinks of targets from montor Sam Brown and going going

(26:33):
more towards Jamison Williams on the outside. I mean we
already saw it for Saint Brown last year. He dipped,
you know, two targets per game compared to his peak
just a year ago. Like just it's it's there for
Jamison Willings to break out takeover as potentially the one
A of this offense next to him owner of Sam Brown.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Well, he did, but he didn't dip in his position.
He still finishes a wide receiver three to overall Wood left.
Because here's the thing about monitor Samp Brown, and I'm
gonna get to your Jamo point because it blows my
mind because I think we're on the same exact page
as Jamo. I just think both these guys can eat
at the level that they're they're going for but I'm
on our Saint Brown. Even though he's the smaller type
of guy and he's not the fastest type of guy,

(27:11):
because he's such a physical route runner, he gets separation
in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I mean, the guy would He.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Had five of his twelve touchdowns last season came in
the end zone targets. So the guy gets separation even
though he's not the bigger body, he's not the prototype
guy that you typically think of in that situation because
he can just get open because he's already is that
nuanced route runner and he's gotten double digit touchdowns by
the way the last two seasons, so he didn't have to.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
He didn't need.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Jared Goff to throw forty plus touchdowns in order for
him to get his double digit touchdowns as well. And
that's a great equalizer when you're talking about a guy
like Saint Brown.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
His target sharer is elite, all right. We already know
that he's he's going to be.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I still think he's going to be the number one
target on this team when it's all said and done.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jamo, because of his explosive ability,
if he's close, gets him out in yards with the
bigger plays one. But here's the other flip side of
it this The Lions were the third team in rush
attempts last year and sixteenth and pass attempts. They have
a much tougher schedule. They have Johnny Morton, who's coming

(28:08):
over as a passing game coordinator. By the way, I
have a lot of doubts about Johnny Morton as far
as his versatility and creativity, but what I don't doubt
is that he's gonna come in with the past first mindset.
I think we're gonna see more bounce between that rushing
and passing game, which means more volume for both Saint
Brown and Jameson Williams to eat.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Like.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I have James and Williams in my top twenty, Like,
you're gonna get no argument for me with that. I'm
on our Saint Brown is as dependable of the guys
that come. He's the closest thing that I've seen a
Cooper Cup like, being able to play that role inside out.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yet I'm still a touchdown maker.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yet I still always get open because I can just
beat guys off the man because I had those physical skills,
set of hands like his hands are ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
You can't you can't jam the guy. They even had
the scrimmagers in there with the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I know it's the Dolphins take it for what it's worth,
but they're like, you couldn't cover Saint Brown.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
He was everywhere.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
So clearly he's over the knee injury and all that
stuff that was going on in the off season that
we don't have to worry about that anymore. And just
to cap off is his target separation was fifteenth in
the entire league, and target separation's bye being a bigger
body despite not having you know, for four speed, it's
more like four to six speed.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
And he's still able to get open consistently.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
This is the guy who has talk about that IQ
who knows how to get everywhere.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
That's this guy. So I think both these guys can eat.
I'm on Ross.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Saint Brown's been a top five receiver the last two
years with a team that was run first, and I
do think that's gonna mesh a little bit more. I
think it's gonna be more volume. Actually in the past
game for this offense. The guy who I'm more worried
about getting left out and i'bvious this will be for
next week's episode.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Is Stan Laporta.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, so Chase, we don't we we we debated what
do you think?

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Good arguments on both sides. Listen.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
I'm I'm on Ross Saint Brown was one of those
guys that is ranked ahead of or is going ahead
of Theliku Neighbors that I do have questions about, because
I do have questions about what this offense is going
to look like with Ben Johnson. I do have ess about,
you know, how much of the workload does go to
Jamison Williams. I can't say that I'm fully on board

(30:07):
with you there, Hutch, that Jamison Williams has what it
takes to be the number one in this offense. Alan
Ross Saint Brown is just to be fair and I'm
a packer for yeah, and I have to see this
dude twice a year as at least dude's dad was
a bodybuilder. He grew up in the gym, and he's
he's just a gamer, He's a ball. The dude knows football.

(30:27):
Like Dan was saying, he gets open. I'm closer to
having him in my top five than I am to
having him out of the top five. But where I
do agree with you there Hutch is the idea that
he's going in the first round as wide receiver four.
And like you said, when I look at Busts, I
look at Busts in terms of will they live up
to their draft capital? And there are other guys late

(30:47):
in that first round, in that second half of that
first round. I have the number eight pick in one
of my home leagues. Here, I will I probably won't
be pulling the trigger on I'm a Ross Saint Brown
just because I have too many questions about what that
offense will still look like. I will say, though, Dan,
your point about the idea that they're going to have
to throw the more because they've got a tougher they
have got a tougher schedule. And I made the point
with Malik Neighbors, he's he's the best weapon on that team.

(31:11):
I don't know the best weapon on that team is
Jamier Gibbs or Almon Ross Saint Brown, but I think
there's an argument to be made for both of them
on that So the pass game still goes through Almon
Ross Saint Brown. I'm probably a little closer to Dan
on this one, but I agree completely to point Hutch
that I don't know that he lives up to first round,
second half of the first round draft capital wide receiver

(31:32):
four white this year.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Sorry, hudch chasing at the memo always was aside with
the guest no matter what.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Anyway, So fair, I'm making a really strong projection with
Jamison Williams. I just see the big step this year,
and I see him forcing himself a lot more targets
than As a result, something has to give in this offense,
and I think I'm on a sabro might dip a
couple of targets.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Honestly, I think I think you guys both are are
a little higher on Jameis Williams than I am. At
full disclosure there, so I will put that out there.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, all right, So let's talk about this bus conversation.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
We got to pick up the pace a little bit,
so Chase, you got Xavier Worthy as your number one bus.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I gotta hear this man, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Well, listen this.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
I think this is a case of, you know, in fantasy,
a lot of people, you know, don't have a whole
ton of a historic hindsight, and they're always looking at
what have you done for me lately, Xavier Worthy, even
after Rashi Rice went down, Xavier Worthy didn't necessarily pick
up the slack until really late in the season in
terms of becoming a go to a go to option
or the go to option.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
In that offense.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Okay, and then we I mean, listen, he did see
thirty one targets in weeks fifteen through seventeen during the
Fantasy playoffs when everybody's paying attention. Of course, we all
remember that, Oh he won me a championship. He was
twenty one out of thirty one hundred ninety yards two scores.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
It was awesome.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
He scored you fifty two and a half Fantasy points
in those three weeks. And then we all know what
happened in the playoffs there he went out. He had
the awesome super Bowl. I will tell you again, though,
I will remind you that his awesome super Bowl literally
all came in garbage time. But he was eight out
of eight in that game. He scored two touchdowns, he
had the long fifty yarder. It's just it doesn't necessarily

(33:12):
profile out to a guy. When I look at you
at Xavier Worthy, he doesn't profile out to a guy
who's who's going to be a number one or number
even a number two type receiver. I think I see
him as a as a much more of a of
a wide receiver three type. And I want to tell
you why here. We all know that he's little, Okay,

(33:32):
he doesn't have size. He's not going to be able
to win against man coverage, okay. And on top of that,
he doesn't run the slant, he doesn't run a curl,
he doesn't run those comeback routes. He doesn't run those
number one type of wide receiver you know routes. Okay,
you have to scheme him open. Now, if there's anybody
in the league who's going to be able to scheme
a guy open, it's going to be Andy Reid.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
But for a guy who is super fast, who we
all thought was going to just be able to outrun
everybody you know on the field and be a deep rat.
He didn't have any games over eighty yards last season.
In the regular season, he only had two games of
over ten plus targets, and his longest reception he had
a thirty five yarder week one. He had a fifty
four yarder in Week five. After that, his longest reception

(34:15):
for the entire season was a thirty one yarder. He's
not necessarily They're not necessarily getting him those looks where
he's just gonna outrun everybody and you know f it,
Xavier's down there somewhere chuck it like like Tyler Murray
might be doing.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
They they're gonna spread the ball around still, that's what
Patrick Mahomes does.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
He's gonna spread the ball around enough that I think
it's gonna hold back Xavier worthy. If it was Rashie
Rice for a full season. I like the idea of
see Rice being able to still soak up targets there.
I think Travis Kelcey is on the decline as a
tight end. We do know that Rashie Rice is going
to miss some time. We all assume he's going to
miss some time this, we don't know how much time

(34:55):
he's gonna miss it. If you haven't seen, like see
Drew Davenport has been covering this on X. He's been
he's been kind of revisiting it every couple of days
here on X and he had a great write up
about it yesterday on there, talking about the idea that
he may not miss as much time as I think
we all think he might miss He's not going to
get a ten game persistent look like that. It looks
like it might be closer to an early year suspension,

(35:17):
and it might be closer to five or six games.
Xavier Worthy is not going to be the number one
target on that team, especially after race Rice comes back.
So I'm worried that we're taking a Xavier Worthy as
you're drafting him like he's a sleeper wide receiver two
and you're getting great value on him, and I'm worried
that he's much more of a volatile wide receiver three.

(35:38):
If that when everything is said and done here, that's
why I've gotten on my bust here. I would guys
that are going after him that I would much rather
have Tederoa McMillan.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Honestly, I'd rather have Calvin Ridley.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Jalen Waddle is going after him, and I'm much bigger
on Jalen Waddle than I would be on Xavier Worthy
this season. And even I know you don't necessarily agree
with this, Dan, but Jerry Jude, I would take who's
going after Xavier Worthy, and I would take him before
then because I think that the I think that the
consistent volume is going to be there for him.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
That's my Xavier Worthy take.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
You have found with Jerry Judy on that one, I
don't even know the show I was taking him.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
I said I would rather have him than Worthy, and
I won't be taking either one of them.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I'm full disclosure of Xavier worthys by Wide Receiver eighteen.
So I'm in the totally opposite.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I think I'm I'm a taed hire thing. I think
I'm like widersp. Sixteen.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Oh hush, I didn't think anybody was gonna be hired
to me that right there with you, So go ahead, I'll.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Just take it away that.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, man, I think I love xamer Worthy personally. I
think when you looked at him as a prospect, I
think he was a phenomenal prospect. Obviously a little small
when you look at his abilities as a wide receiver.
He ran every route really really well. He got opened
at an elite level. I mean, look his ability to
be a wider shriver one in the majority, the clear
majority of his games, he was five plus catches for Texas,
including competition with the Donnie Mitchell where that's a legit competition.

(36:57):
As a wide striper two, he was able to command
a target share in that offense and consistently be very,
very involved. And when you look at what he did
last year obviously fifteen through seventeen, yes that's great, but
you don't even look before that, Like from week ten
eleven on, he was consistently getting much more and more involved.
And you consistently see this with these wide receivers. In

(37:19):
the second half, they really start to blossom. We saw
it with former Chiefs I mean not former Chiefs receiver,
but the Chief's receiver right now, Receeve Rice. We saw
that in the second half the season where Travis Kelsey
really started to dip a little bit and they needed help,
or she Rice really started to bloss him in those
last six to eight weeks of the season. And now
where she Rice had a massive breakout last year before
his injury, he was looking like gonna be a wider
shiver one. The same thing we saw for Worthy, and

(37:40):
we're looking at him in his second season. He's very versatile.
He can be used downfield. Obviously, he's got that really
good speed. You can put him in the screens, you
can put him in jet sweeps. Chiefs sort of used
that last year. You know, earlier as a gadget guy,
and you could put him everywhere on the field. You
can put him the slide, you can put him outside,
and you can make him run every single rounte because
he has a speed, the footwork and the ability to
get open on any route you put him on. Obviously,

(38:02):
where she Rice will definitely compete for the number one
target chair. Can you look at Travis Kelce, I think
we're starting to see the beginning of the end for him.
We started to see it last year. He's still good
absorbent target shair. But Patrick Holmes is a great quarterback.
This should be a very productive offense. There should be
plenty of room for multiple wide receivers to be Fantasy
football relevant. So Xavier Worthy, when you look at him,

(38:23):
I think that we're going to see a big, big
breakout in year two. Obviously he steps forward in year
two as he gets more enveloved in this offense. I
think we see a big breakout in your two. I'm
in for Exavier Worthy.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah, just to point out that a rookie wide receivers
never do well with Adie Reid, and yet he's had
two back to back to all of a sudden second
half seasons where they just went Donkey Kong, and if
remember back to our quarterback episode, I was the one
who went Patrick Mahomes in.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
The top five.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
There was a reason for that is because I believe
in that offense getting back to being explosive again has
been a big emphasis point.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Xavier Worthy is a big factor in.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
That offense getting explosive again. Right, So here's what I
want to do. I want to fast forward a little bit.
I want to get right into our Matthew Golden conversation
or Matthew Golden the big.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Let's just got Matthew Golden as his number two bus
on his board, and I have him as my number
one sleeper. So we're gonna face off again. Figure out
how are we're gonna do this as usual? Guests first,
go ahead?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, So, I mean Matthew Golden, when you look at him,
for me, I just don't think he has the ability
to be a wider schriver one in the NFL. I
really just don't. When you look at I was actually
gonna make a comparison to him when talking about Xavier Worthy.
When you look at Matthew Golden in his college games,
one never hit up on a thousand yard season. When
you look at first round wide receivers that never hit
a one thousand yard season, it's a scary list. I'm
just gonna warn you. You can go look it up yourself.

(39:44):
It's a scary list of players. It is not a
list of players you want to be on. There's a
lot of first round bus wide receivers on that list,
and Matthew Golden fits right there on one of them.
And when you look at his production in college, he
was very inconsistent. There were games where it's like two
for twelve, one for five, like completely vanished. There were
games where he just was completely schemed out, completely vanished

(40:05):
from the offense, not involved. That's not something you like
to see from a widerserver one because when you see
that at the collegiate level, there's no way to see
him step up and be a dominant wide you ever
want the NFL level against NFL talent with NFL competition
around him. If he's not able to establish that pure
number onide receiver role away from Isaiah Bond in college,
what is he gonna do in the NFL level? And

(40:26):
you have some legit competition here with Jaden Reed, Romeo Dubbs,
Tucker kraft On, Tavian Wicks. Here's some players that can
earn solid target shares. I just don't see Matthew Golden
is separating himself. So I don't see him as terrible
valued as as price right now because he's going as
like a wider driver three. I just don't see a
world where he is stepping so far above that that
he's worth this print right now. I think he's gonna

(40:48):
be a place where he's Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's
not good on a week two week basis, but overall
you're just gonna be frustrated and not know when to
start him.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
So here's what's interesting to me, Hutch, I was totally
where where you were back in April, exactly where you
were back in April, because all the data streams not
not not for for Matthew gold and everything about not
being able to fully take away. He did start to
take over for isa A Bond towards the end of
the season as some number one target over there, but
hurt right exactly, Bond got hurt and it was still

(41:18):
kind of if he even even then, still seem to
have a limited a routree with limited ability, like a
one trick pony type of situation. Totally agree with you
on that point as well. But here's the thing, and
I don't know what ADP you're necessarily working off of,
but he's not going as a wide receiver three. He's
going as a wide receiver four. Right now, his ADP's
at receiver forty three is what I'm sitting, Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I thought he was a little higher than that, okay.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And I have him ranked that wide receiver thirty one.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
So if he was going as a wide receiver three,
what DoD even be having this conversation with you right now?
And and while I don't think dynasty wise, like we're
thinking long term, that was here. I don't think Matthew
Gold is the number one wide receiver for many years
to come, But this year there's a pathway. Romeo Dobs
just got back from injury, Jayden Reid is still hurt,
Damian Wicks is just working back in LID individual drills.

(42:01):
I believe I think this week is finally when he
came back. During that time where all those guys were missing,
Matthew Gold's been the only one who's consistently stayed healthy
and where I started to take him a little bit
more consideration. Every single day he was making a big play.
Here's one thing I look for for rookie wide receivers
when they're not in that top echelon tier where I'm like, look,

(42:21):
you're a stud, you're gonna be great. First round draft
capital perfection, and Golden's case where it's like, I don't
think you should have been drafted where you went in
the first round. I had more of a second round
great on him to begin with. But he does have
the skill set to pop if he has enough of
a target share as a rookie, because he does have
the big playability because he will be on the field
a significant amount of time. I look at Christian Watson.

(42:44):
I do think Matthew Golden's a better version of Christian Watson.
I absolutely do. I think he's a little bit more
nuanced than Christian Watson was coming out. There's a reason
why Watson was the guy everybody wanted as the package
wide receiver, big plays, touchdowns. I see a very similar
situation here for Matthew Golden. For Jordan Love, who he's
to get back to being more aggressive for this offense.
To actually take that in that step. They weren't able
to do so when he got injured last season. I

(43:06):
know he has the thumb thing. The thumb is on
the non throwing hand. I'm really not worried about it.
He's supposed to be available for a week one find. Yeah,
I'm not taking that out of consideration at all. So
when I look at Golden's ability, what his role is
in that offense, the fact that there's nobody there to
be an alpha wide receiver necessarily, which means I'm projecting
Golden for like a twenty three percent target share.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
If he has twenty three percent target share.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
With those big plays that he can hit, now you're
talking about a top twenty four receiver upside wise, I
got him a thirty one.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
He's going at forty three. That's why he's a sleeper
to me.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
You know that's fair. I mean the big play upside
and the big play potential is there, and you know,
even on potentially living in volume, you could be good
for fantasy. But I would ask you a question because
I feel like we experienced this exact same thing with
Jayden Reid last year, where Jane Reid was a big
play guy, he was on the field for limits stamps
because he was taking off the field a lot for
twelve team personnel because he's primarily a slot wide receiver.
He made those big plays, he scored a bunch of time.

(44:00):
He had a really fun season about thousand yards. But
were you happy with him for fantasy because more than
half the time you started him you hated it. I
mean you just hated to start him in your lineup
because he had like four or five big weeks, and
the rest of these weeks you were like, what the
heck are you doing, jan Reid? Why are you getting
like eight points in my flex spot? Like this isn't
worth it. And I see a similar case from Matthew

(44:22):
Golden where if he's not going to separate himself from
the rest of this receiving room, I get there's some
guys hurt right now, but most reports say they're all
on track for Week one. If he's not going to
separate yourself from this receiving corps, which I just don't
think he is talent wise, I think we're just I
think that ceiling. You see another Jayden Reed season where
he has big plays and touchdowns here and there, but

(44:42):
again when you look at him overall, you're just gonna
disappointed for fantasy. So why is your four? Honestly, the
ADP I was looking at said more like, why is
your thirty six costs? Why is your four? I'm a
little bit more interested. I have him ranked like only
a handful of spots below that. Why does your vorder
three costs? So if you're looking at like someone you're
throwing in your bench and occasionally if you want to
fill in a bye week and start him hope for
a big play, that's not a bad play. I just
think that anyone that's thinking of him, oh, is he's

(45:04):
the first hun receiver is gonna be clear how Widershriver one,
you're gonna You're gonna make a mistake.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
No, I agree with that, which is why I still
him righting as a wide receiver three. And it all
depends on what your ADP is and know your platform.
Here here's one thing Jayden read. I think it's a
different scenario, just to kind of cap that off, because
I think he was meant to be more of the
gimmick slot type of wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I don't think Golden's coming.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
And this is probably where we're different I don't have
Golden coming off in twelve personnel.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I have Di Tavian wis side.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
No, Matthew gold will be on the outside.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Matthew Golden will be playing the Z. He'll be playing
the flank.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Oh, yeah, for sure he will be. He will not
be slot wide receiver. He's not Matthew Golden's game. I'm saying,
in terms of deep plays and touchdowns, is what you're
looking at, similar to Jane Reid.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah, and well with Jayden Reed, though again you pointed
the limited snaps. I don't think we're gonna see the
limited snaps of Golden. I think that's where we're kind
of differing a little bit on that. But I do
want to move this conversation along. Get back, Chase, get
back in the conversation here and talk about Amika Abuka
being one of your top sleepers.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
I mean, well, we've had some like kind of recent
news here too. That's that I think, unfortunately is going
to be positive for a Mecca Buca, but not necessarily
positive in the grand scheme of things. With Jalen McMillan's
neck injury. I mean, we're looking at a guy here
in Meccha Buca he profiles as a classic slot guy. Okay,
and he had a lot of college production in terms
of you know, he had a lot of college production

(46:23):
when he played, but he didn't play a whole ton.
It didn't seem like year over year, so his stats
don't jump off the page. But look at what he did.
He was at OSU for Crian A. Lout Ohio State.
He had he had a deal with JSN Jackson Smith
and JAB. He had to deal with Marvin Harrison junior.
He had Garrett Wilson on the same staff. He had
Chris Olave. Oh yeah, as tight ends they had they
had Jeremy Ruckert, they had Cade Stover. There was a

(46:45):
lot of competition there for passing targets while a mecha
Buca was was at Ohio State and despite that, he
set the all time school record with two hundred and
five career receptions. When you hold a career record at
a school like Ohio State, it means something. Okay, Ohio
State is one of those schools that means something football wise.

(47:06):
He was part of a national champion. The dude is
a winner. He's a route technician, he's a good route runner.
He's a touch faster than say, like Jayalen McMillan is.
He's quicker than j mack and now he doesn't even
have to not necessarily worry about competing with J Mack.
Because of that neck injury, there's speculation there's possibility that
McMillan misses not just regular season time, but maybe a

(47:28):
month or two of regular season time with this neck injury.
There's speculation now that Godman might miss maybe the first
month of the season, may not be ready yet to
come back after having a second surgery. We find out
now in the off season here, so there is a
path right now, I mean in Mecha Buka. No, there's
no competition really to be the number two target on

(47:50):
this team behind Mike Evans for him. Now, last year
when Godwin went out, I know that Abukah is a
slot guy. He's a classic slot guy. He looks like it.
And last year when he went out, they actually plugged
Sterling Shepherd into that slot and they were using they
were using McMillan Moore as like a flanker. I think
that Abuca can play that flanker. I think he can
play the slot. They can switch back and forth. There

(48:13):
was talk about Sterling Shepard actually playing more on the
outside for this team this year. It doesn't matter. Meka
a Buka is more talented than anybody else they have
on that team right now outside of possibly Mike Evans,
and Mike Evans is one hundred and thirty seven years old.
I like in Mecca Abuka that way. He's being taken
as wide receiver forty six. Right now, he's going as

(48:35):
a wide receiver four. I think at least for the
first month or two of the season, he's got.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Wide receiver two upside.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
But I think that he has an out real opportunity
to establish himself in this offense as the weapon that
they drafted him to be that they want him to
be going forward. I know they paid Godwin, but I
think they'll be able to play some games win Godwin
once Godwin does come back, getting them both on the
field with Mike Evans. I'm not worried about Jayalen McMillan's
future when he comes back healthy, because I think that

(49:04):
those two guys are the future. McMillan's future on the outside, Yeah,
mcmillon's a future on the outside and a Booka's future
on the inside. I like Buka to vastly outplay that
number forty six wide receiver forty six.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I have I have a feeling. I have a feeling
his ADP is going to change after this weekend.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
It has shoot up.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Your forty six ADP is not next week like he's
going to be in the thirties for sure.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Yeah, I think he still all plays that. Like I said,
I think he can be a wide deserve.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah, I've got a twenty nine right now. I feel
great about it.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Buka, I have him. I have him at thirty.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Actually, Hutch, do you want to give me like a
thirty second speel on Jalen Nole being a number one
sleeper because this is great for my dynasty by the way,
So I'm glad you got him in there.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, I love Jalen Nole. I think I think
he Texans made a smash pick and Iowa State here
with Noel and that's funny. They got Jaden Higgins from
Iowa State as well. But I specifically none know well
because when you watch him play football, obviously he's primarily
a slot wide receiver. He knows how to run every
single route. He can play downfield, he can work in
the intermediate range, short range of the field. He can
run every single route you want to. He's got that

(50:06):
four sub four four speed. He can really take the
top off a defense. And when you watch him after
the catch, he is so explosive. I mean when I
watch him play, I just said, he looks like a
juiced up a manro Saint Brown. He's not afraid to
drop a shoulder, He's not afraid to just cut to
the outside and blaze down the field. He can make
all the plays you want downfield as well as in

(50:26):
the intermediate short game like a monra out of the
slot position. And now you put him in Houston Texans
offense with a great quarterback to the stairs strout who
have in the Texans they have a domin an outside
wide receiver who we talked about earlier, Nico Collins, who's
there clear one. You need some thunder on the inside
and I think Noel is going to deliver that very
very well. You have Christian Kirk there, like we mentioned,

(50:47):
I think a second half breakout for Jalen and Well
is very very possible. As Kirk, who's a very solid player,
I don't know if he will hold off the talent
of Jillen Well for very long. I mean obviously his
third round pick. This could work out for Texans that
could not. Jalen Well might be a bust. He might
be a great player. We'll see. I believe when watching
him play, he's a phenomenal player. And I think if that,
if he is who I think he could be or

(51:07):
what he showed at college, if he is that he
will quickly earn that slot role and be a dominant
second half player.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
And you will be able to pick him up off
the waiver wire and twelve man.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Sure, Yeah, he's going. He's going last round, like last
pick in your draft. You can easily get him.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, I'm gonna make this real quick and simple, uh draft.
Ricky pier Saw is ADP's wide receiver forty three. I
have him right right on wide receiver thirty two. That's conservative.
He's probably gonna move up for me third, easiest schedule
for wide receivers. We don't know what Juwan James is
going to be coming off the calf or even the
contract is gonna get done. We don't know what brain
now you is going to be coming off of his
ACL injury. Draft Ricky pier Saw in that round eight nine.

(51:40):
Turn right now, all right, Hutch, I want to thank
you so much for coming on the show.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Man. Give a quick shout out. Where can we follow
you at? What do you got going on?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
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And then check out Houch Coming and Clutch my podcast
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(52:10):
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