October 30, 2023 • 33 mins
Imagine stumbling upon a technique so profound that it gives you access to the deepest recesses of the human mind. That's exactly where our journey with Dr. Joseph DiRuzzo leads us, as he pulls back the curtain on the mystical realm of prenatal re-imprinting technology. Dr. Joe's vibrant journey, peppered with humor, takes us through his foray into NLP training, hypnosis, and age regression. Prepare to be intrigued as he sheds light on the Milton Erickson Model, a riveting technique involving syntactic and scope ambiguity that aids in inducing a trance. And brace yourselves for a chuckle as Dr. Joe recounts his somewhat surreptitious foray into hypnosis with an unsuspecting psychiatrist!
But we don't stop there, as we plunge deeper into the world of prenatal re-imprinting. Dr. Joe uncovers the profound essence of the earliest imprinting experiences and their far-reaching impacts. Exploring various categories of prenatal re-imprinting, he guides us through a maze of resources, relationships, self-expression and more. Our journey also ambles into the realm of athetosis, revealing intriguing details about a major historical figure and their athetotic fits. Wrapping up with the 80-20 rule, Dr. Joe gives us the tools to identify core issues that may be troubling a person. So, buckle up for a fascinating exploration into the human psyche, filled with enlightening insights, captivating anecdotes, and breakthroughs that promise to reshape your understanding of the human experience.
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Announcer (00:06):
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
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Paul Andrew (00:24):
Welcome to episode 10 of the Optimal Human
Experience Podcast with DrJoseph DiRuzzo.
My name is Paul, Andrew and DrJoe.
What do you want to talk?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (00:39):
about.
You know, the development ofthe prenatal re-imprinting
technology is really.
It was kind of interestingbecause it was all done
backwards, Backwards.
How do you?
Paul Andrew (00:51):
develop it?
How do you develop it backwards?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (00:54):
Well, I kept asking myself when did this
person develop this response tothis set of stimuli for the very
first?
Announcer (01:03):
time.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (01:04):
And so you know, I would ask people did you
do this when you were a child,you know, and it'd go yeah, and
I did, you know, when you weresix.
Yeah, five, yeah, four, yeah,it was all done backwards Now
were you was this in during.
Paul Andrew (01:19):
Were you doing hypnosis, hypnosis, regression?
Were you?
When you say, well, did you doit at five?
You know six, you're justasking them over coffee at the
diner.
How, how did this work?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (01:32):
Well, I was.
You know, I had done my my NLPtraining with Doug Sauber and
Corey DeTorres of thePhiladelphia Institute for NLP.
In those days NLP was reallyriding high and of course with
any degree of popularity comesinterneicing warfare.
So all the rest I needed to hadto.
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There was Richard's camp, therewas Leslie's camp and there was
John Grinders camp and thenDavid Gordon and Robert Diltz
tried to kind of it's more orless just stay neutral.
You know it was funny.
They had the people would sayRichard Bandler was all internal
computations, john Grinders wasall external behaviors and
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Leslie Cameron Bandler was allinternal states and if you put
the three of them together yougot a whole person.
This was how I would laugh atthat.
But yeah, I, I got.
I got into the Erickson hypnosisand I bought the collected
works of Milton Erickson, whichI believe were in two volumes.
(02:36):
Either I bought it or I got itfrom the library and I was at a
point in my life where I hadconsiderable amount of spare
time and I just got into it andI tried to recapitulate or
reproduce each one of the uh,hypnotic patterns that Milton
Ericsson had in his collectedworks.
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You know, the collected worksof Milton Ericsson.
You have all these otherauthors.
You know Bill something orother and they had.
You know, all these variousbooks.
There was a fellow who went andlived with Milton Erickson and
studied him thoroughly.
But after all is said and done,I think Grinders and Bandler
gave the most precise breakdownof the hypnotic patterning of
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Milton Erickson and they gave usvolumes one and two.
But I was into it and you knowEricsson would do age regression
and not to be outdone by MiltonErickson.
I started age regressing peoplein hypnotic trance and, um,
you'd be surprised what you find.
But it wasn't until I blundered.
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I mean I threw diligence andstudy.
Paul Andrew (03:45):
Careful, careful study and scientific method
carefully, meticulouslydocumented, meticulously you
know, with the I came across theum.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (03:57):
I had a person that they had.
They would respond to anycomment with a negation and a
head tick.
I'd say those are your andthose are nice shoes.
They go well.
They're not my nicest shoes.
I'd say well, it's a beautifulday and they go well.
Yesterday is not as nice asyesterday.
And they would turn their headto the side like like and
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scrunch their nose up andscrunch their nose, scrunch Okay
.
Paul Andrew (04:22):
Now the nose scrunch just yet another
scientific, meticulouslydocumented term in your research
papers.
I'm sure.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (04:29):
I don't know anything unless it's peer
reviewed.
Double blind nose scrunched,you know I mean the soler is to.
It has to be documentedthoroughly.
Okay, hold on hold on.
Paul Andrew (04:40):
Was the Milton Miltonian, the Ericksonian
hypnosis.
Was that part of the trainingof NLP or was this something
that was, that was kind ofpulled in from the outside?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (04:52):
No, they.
They went through Milton,erickson's Milton, the Milton
model and the meta model and theMilton model where all of the
ambiguities that Milton used toinduce a trance you know, you're
trying to develop someunderstandings and and of of the
optimal human experience.
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These understandings will cometo you, but it's going to take a
certain amount of training andyou're going to have to put in a
certain amount of effort.
It'll be enjoyable in a veryinteresting way and it'll be
relaxing.
It'll cause you to have a deep,any sense of relaxation,
whatever you deal with people ina way that's in right and the
Milton model is all of these.
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You know syntactic ambiguitiesand scope ambiguity, all this,
yeah, and you put people into atrance.
I put I was at a conference onetime and there was a woman
there.
She was a psychiatrist and Isaid you know, what are you
doing?
She said I'm a psychiatrist.
Oh, I feel better already.
As a matter of fact, I'mstarting to feel better.
(05:54):
I feel confident that you know,it's nice to have real
professionals here and justtalking with.
I'm starting to feel a sense ofrelaxation.
And her eyes were starting toclose, just starting to go into
a trance, and she realized whatI was doing.
And well, she was absolutelyfurious.
As well she should have been.
I was way out of line.
Paul Andrew (06:15):
Well, it's, you know, part of uh maintaining
rapport deprivation sickness.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (06:21):
It's part of the doctor, joe, actually.
Paul Andrew (06:25):
That part that contagious, I hope.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (06:27):
This fellow, he would.
He would turn his head and andso I kept asking did you do this
when you were five?
Did you do this on your floor,did you do this?
And eventually I had beendelivering babies and working in
a uh OBGYN hospital in a placecalled San Cristobal in the
Dominican Republic, which is onerather unpleasant area.
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It's down in the far southwestcorner, not far from Haiti,
which is another ratherunpleasant area.
But I've been studying this andin one of the textbooks of
OBGYN the common is made that ifa woman is stressed, it will
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stress the infant, the embryo,and they may defecate into the
amniotic fluid.
And if you put OrientalDiagnosis, which is simply acute
observation, in with MiltonErickson's hypnosis in with
OBGYN, it looked to me like thisperson was trying to move their
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face away and I just happenedto take a guess.
I said is this before you'reborn?
He said yes.
I said what's going on?
He said there's somethingagainst my face.
I don't like it.
It burns, I don't like it.
That was, that was the initialimprinting experience and that's
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where prenatal re-imprintingcame from.
That one thing, that oneparticular incident was it.
And then, of course, you knowit required all the development,
all the other development thatgoes along with it.
But we have our standardprenatal re-imprinting dogma
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sperm meets an unfertilized egg.
They come together and make afertilized ovum that divides
into two cells, four cells,eight cells, 16 cells.
When it reaches the 32 cellstage it's called the blastula.
At this point the blastula, theintercell mass of the blastula,
begins to spread out toward thehead and toward the feet,
rostrally and caudally, andimmediately forms the neural
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plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the neural plate of the human
being is the neural plate.
Now there are some people whosay that there's imprinting, the
going on before that, and I'mnot going to deny that.
But the formation of the neuralplate is singular in its
importance.
The neural plate continues toextend toward the head and
toward the feet and folds overand forms the neural tube.
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The neural tube begins to forminvaginations that eventually
become the paleocorticalstructures of the lenticular
nucleus, the amygdala, thehypothalamus, all of the
phylogenetic, ancient, ancient,ancient evolutionary structures.
And at this moment personalitystructure begins to be
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established as a series ofsimple Pavlovian stimulus
response.
Reflex arcs.
And all of the problems thatpeople have in life, without
exception, are the end result ofmaladaptive reflexes
established in the prenatalperiod under conditions of
maternal and or fetal distress.
Paul Andrew (09:41):
Okay, time out.
So you figured all of that outby regressing this one guy
hypnotically back to before hewas born and came to the
conclusion that he had defecatedinto the amniotic fluid and it
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was getting up against his faceand it burned and he didn't like
it.
What?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (10:07):
other conclusion could one draw?
Paul Andrew (10:12):
Well, I'm guessing it took more than like he didn't
come up with that immediatelyat the end of the session.
Oh well, clearly what we havehere is a sperm metanagin and
formed a neural tube in theplate, and now you have this
tick.
It must be so.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (10:31):
Well, I thought it was an unusual
approach to things.
But then I started puttingpeople into the prenatal
position and putting them intothe prenatal trance and asking
them questions, and invariablythey came up with some comment
that just made perfect sense,like your daughter, bridget.
Right, it was prenatal and youknow I've had a heated
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discussion and you know 20 yearsthat, years later, bridget
remembered it.
People remember these things.
Yes, she did.
Now let me ask you a personalquestion.
You've been working with thismaterial yourself for at least
15 years, 15 years more.
Have you ever seen it not bejust consistently as we lay it
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out?
Paul Andrew (11:19):
I've.
I have yet to see it not beshockingly accurate as in as in,
someone will get into theprenatal state, that meditation,
and remember stuff that there'sno possible way that they could
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have known.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (11:41):
Exactly so.
The the the further ourprenatal re-imperting science,
the the embryo forms in in theshape of C curve.
The head is here, then the thecoxis is down here and it's a C
curve Every one of the vertebrae.
You have seven cervicalvertebrae, you have 12 thoracic
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vertebrae, you have five lumbarvertebrae and you have a sacrum.
Every one of those bones has aplace where it joins with the
bones above it.
That is known as an apophysialjoint.
All of these joints are heavilyinnervated.
If you close your eyes and turnyour head to the left, go ahead
.
Do you still know where you are?
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Yes, why?
Well, because the joint, thejoint mechanisms, the joint
sensors are putting input intoyour brain.
So when we do prenatalre-imprinting, what we want to
do is recapitulate as much aspossible the exact conditions of
the pre-nate in the womb.
That's why we have people puttheir head down, and it's not
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just simply put your head downand tuck your chin, it's like
lean forward and recapitulatethat C-shaped curve.
When does the neck curve beginto go the opposite way?
Paul Andrew (13:00):
Well, after the baby's born and start having
tummy time, and they lift theirhead and it wiggles all around
and they lift their wobblylittle head and the cervical
curve begins to form.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (13:16):
The reason for these curves is there's a
book called Kapangy.
It's all about the joints.
Kapangy is an excellent book.
How do you spell that?
K-a-p-a-n-j-a-y, j-a-i, kapangy.
He's got two or three volumes.
But if you look at the spinefrom the side, you know, if you
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take a broom and you put it inyour hand and you stand it on
end, you can stand there with abroom and hold it up right.
But if it begins to tip, thenit takes a lot more work to get
back underneath it.
Well, the human spine has gotfive curves.
It's got a curve right underthe, the occiput.
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It's got another curve in thecervical spine, another curve in
the thoracic, another curve inthe lumbar, another curve in the
sacrum, and each one of thosecurves constitutes a spring.
Remember the leaf springs?
Yeah, and every time you take astep, those five curves are
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supposed to flex and absorb theshock of your footstep.
Okay With it.
Announcer (14:27):
Yeah.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (14:27):
Okay.
So if you lose a curve, if alot of people have a military
neck, they'll have a ramrod neckand they end up getting what
Neck problems.
Announcer (14:37):
All kinds of headaches.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (14:38):
Yeah, headaches, and if they have a
lower back that is too straight,they end up with low back pain.
So the point of this is, ineach level of the spine, nature
has given us a number of joints.
Those joints have nerves thatfeed back into the central nerve
axis and up into the brain andwhen we do prenatal
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re-imprinting we want to use asliterally as an anchor the
prenatal posture.
It is a reminder of what wasgoing on.
So then we have somebody who'sgot a problem with the angers.
We will anchor the feeling ofanger on their arm and then
we'll put them back into theprenatal position and fire the
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anchor on their arm and becausethey have an enhanced recall
they're already in the prenatalposition they'll go.
Oh my mother and father arefighting and there are
everybody's angry.
And I'll say what's the complexgeneralization?
And they'll say from time totime everybody has to be angry.
And I'll say to them whathappens in your life?
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They'll go oh goodness gracious, from time to time I and
everybody I know just has to beangry.
Paul Andrew (15:52):
Right, say more about complex generalization,
because that seems to be a realstretch, and again, I've
experienced it and seen it overand over again, so I can't argue
with it.
But I can ask the question thatsome people anybody listening
to this must be thinking oh,come on.
(16:13):
So you're saying this littlebaby who's maybe 64 cells at
this point, it's a neural tube,mom and dad are fighting and
this baby comes up with the,this, some generalization Say.
Say more about that and what'syour theory, at least, about how
that, how that could evenhappen?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (16:32):
Well, you know, remember Conrad Lorenz,
right, he had.
He was an animal psychologistand he worked with ducks and he,
he, he did some duck eggs andwhen the little ducklings began
to hatch out of their shells, heheld a ball above them and they
imprinted.
Their initial imprintingexperience was to the ball.
In nature It'd be to their momand in nature they would follow
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their mom down to the local pond.
Well, when Conrad Lorenz heldthe ball above them, they
imprinted to the ball and hewould roll the ball around his
living room and this little herdof ducklings would line up and
run around behind the ball as ifit was there.
What, Mama?
They're mom.
So the initial imprintingexperience is most impactful.
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It sets the stage foreverything to follow.
That's why the prenatal periodis so dramatically powerful.
In that time we learned certainbasics Is the world a happy
place?
Is the world a sad place?
Are people happy?
Are people not happy?
Is there enough?
Is there not enough?
Do people stay in rapport?
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Do they get out of rapport?
Is rapport a normal, naturalthing to be in?
We learn at the level, at thevery fundamental level I talk
about.
You know, there's aconsciousness, your frontal
vertebral projections and mostof your cerebral cortices.
And then there's yourunconscious, which is the
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midbrain, and Erickson used towork a lot with that.
And then there's what I callthe pre-conscious, the deep
paleocortical structures, andwhen they're damaged, there's a
phenomenon known as Atheosis, orpeople just like wave their
hands around and they havesnake-like movements, worm-like
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movements, atheotic movements.
It indicates damage where Deepin the brain, in the
paleocortical structures.
Hmm, guess who?
Guess who used to have atheoticfits every once in a while?
Who's that?
Adolf Hitler?
Oh, you would.
You would start, you know,winding his arms around, going
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like this.
He was a real nutcase, but youknow he did what he did.
So in the prenatal technology,this fundamental concept of
sperm meets an unfertilized egg.
They make a fertilized ovumthat divides into two, four,
eight cell, eight, sixteen andthirty two, and during this time
, everything that goes on isextremely influential because
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it's earliest.
Let me ask you this you havedone some financial consulting
in your life.
Hmm, what's the significance ofputting money aside for a baby
Before it's born, as opposed towhen you try to do it when it's
ten years old?
What's the difference in earnedIncome in interest?
Paul Andrew (19:30):
Oh well, the the compounding is dramatic that
that if you put money away Frombirth through ten years, versus
starting at ten years up to age20 or 25, chances are the that
first ten years will grow morebecause it had more time to
compound, because it had.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (19:50):
It's because it's the earliest Imprinting
experience, right right now.
That makes much more sense toyou because I put it in language
that you understand.
You have a really reference foryeah, boss.
Paul Andrew (20:03):
Yeah, okay, real quick.
We're about a little overhalfway through.
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Optimalhumanexperiencecom, drJoe, carry on so there, there
you are.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (20:37):
You know that.
Remember I mentioned there wasa Sonogram of a baby in utero
and mom and dad were shoutingand every, with every shout, the
little babies.
You just Just jerk right andwhat?
What are the complexgeneralizations that that infant
is going to learn and carry onthroughout their life?
Paul Andrew (20:56):
Right, I'll see if I can't.
I'll see if I can't find thatvideo and put it up on the
website for people, because thatis that really what I remember,
seeing that for the first time,and Uh Are others, but that one
was just, you know, right onthe money, exemplary, yeah, yeah
.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (21:16):
So all of all of these things and and you
know the overall epistemology ofOf prenatal re-impering as it
fits into the optimal humanexperience, the the the coolest
thing to me, well, amongstothers, is the idea that when
you look at people and you catchthem in, and Uh, unguarded
moment, you catch them in anunguarded moment.
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That is the predominatingmotion that they had While they
were in utero, before they wereborn.
And you know, I, every once ina while, I'll catch a few
minutes of one of these podcastswhen the guys have, uh, there's
three or four guys and there'sfive or six girls, and the guys
are telling the girls that menprefer a woman who's virtuous
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and a virgin.
And the statistics are that ifA woman has a lot of a high body
count, the percentage of thosewho go into divorce is
astronomical.
It's like only five percent ofthe Marriages last, if I don't
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remember if it was the man orthe woman or both, but if they
have had a lot of partners,saying adios is the thing to do.
Paul Andrew (22:30):
Right, right right.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (22:32):
It's uh hard to get a printing.
It comes in.
Paul Andrew (22:35):
Yeah, hard to get a pair bond when there hasn't
been much in the way of Of realcommitment before that right.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (22:44):
So all of these things, you, the first
experiences, is very, verysignificant, very, very
imprinting, very powerful, andthat is our, our prenatal dogma.
All of the problems that peoplehave in life, without, without
exception, are the end result ofMaladaptive reflexes
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established in the prenatalperiod under conditions of
maternal or fetal distress.
Announcer (23:11):
What are our?
What are our?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (23:13):
categories?
What are our relevance criteriafor prenatal re-imprinting?
There's resources, money andother resources.
Announcer (23:20):
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (23:21):
There's your home, your domicile, there's
your significant other, thereare your allies, your status,
your freedom, your selfexpression, your offspring and
your contribution.
And to the largest extent, youknow, the 80-20 rule prevails.
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80% of the people will havethese things they're searching
for.
Then 20% don't care.
And if you have a problem inany one of those categories,
it's simple.
Just say to them what's yourpredominant problem today.
They'll say I'm fighting withmy wife.
Say get the feeling, anchor thefeeling on your thumb, put your
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head down, assume the prenatalposition properly so that you
get those neurons in yourapophysi, apophysial joints
firing properly and then tell mewhat's going on.
They'll say well, mom and dadare fighting.
Paul Andrew (24:29):
And so that problem that they're experiencing now
goes back to the prenatal periodspecifically under that one
relevance criteria.
So do you find that typicallylet's see how many are there
Three, six, nine relevancecriteria that people will have
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issues in, concentrated in twoor three, or across the board,
or one, or what do you seetypically?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (25:00):
Or is there a typical?
They will walk in and mostpeople have a problem that they
know that they want to work on,and for most people, either
their money will be wildly outof whack or ship will be out of
whack, things of inferiority,uncertainty, inadequacy,
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insecurity, and then they'llhave personal problems.
Okay, can you go back?
Paul Andrew (25:28):
Hold on, we broke up again.
Can you go back to you startedwith?
They'll come in and somethingwill be out of whack like their
money will be out of whack.
Something will be out of whack,for example.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (25:45):
For example, you know, I had a friend who
was a psychologist and he saidyou know, there are people who
they claim that they just walkeddown the street and they had
bad luck.
A piano will fall in their head.
So some psychologists andfollowed them around for a while
.
Guess what?
They had bad luck.
The pianos would fall out ofthe sky and hit them on the head
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.
So that's where we get into therealm of quantum physics.
But in the eight categories andthen their self esteem and how
you feel about you, right?
And and I'll say to people sayyour name to me.
And they'll say you know Fred.
And I'll say say your name Fred, say your name Fred, anchor the
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feeling.
And I'll get an anchor.
I'll put them in the prenataland I'll say say Fred, and fire
off the anchor.
That goes with the emotion ofFred.
And they'll go oh, my motherdoesn't want to be pregnant and
she doesn't know what to name meand she doesn't know if she's
going to say stay with my father.
And she doesn't know if shewants to keep the pregnancy and
she doesn't know how to tell hermother she's pregnant.
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And I'll say well, you ever getany, have any uncertainty in
your life and then go.
Why?
Why?
Oddly enough, yes, how did youknow?
Shocking, shocking, shocking,the.
The real fun, the blessing, thesweet spot, the joy, the, the
delight of the prenataltechnology and all of this
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behavioral engineering is thatit really helps us make sense
out of a world that, if youdon't have it, really doesn't
make a whole heck of a lot ofsense, right, but once you get
it, it's just bingo.
Paul Andrew (27:25):
There it is, and talk for a couple of minutes
about.
So we've got the nine relevancecriteria when you include self
expression.
Talk about what you call notthe four horsemen of the
apocalypse, but the fivehorsemen of the apocalypse five
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horsemen of the apocalypseFeelings of inferiority,
uncertainty and security andinadequacy.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (27:51):
And then they had a different logical
level, really Personal problems.
And I got onto the personalproblems thing Because I was,
you know, I like to read, andMichio Kushi was talking about
how people would get, how thenumber of radios in Great
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Britain as it went up, thenumber of heart attacks that
people had went upcorrespondingly, like the more
bad news people got.
Paul Andrew (28:20):
What more heart attacks.
They had say yeah, right.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (28:25):
So, and I would notice that people would
have problems.
A lot of what prenatalre-imprinting came out of is
presumptions of culturalanthropology, Just presumptions.
What were people doing 500,000years ago when a man and a woman
got pregnant?
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Were they paying attention toAdolf Hitler, Winston Churchill,
Franklin Delano Roosevelt?
No, none of that stuff existed.
Paul Andrew (28:56):
Adam Abbott no were they listening to the radio?
No, they couldn't afford aradio.
It was 500,000 years ago.
Where are they going to getthat kind of money.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (29:06):
So I used to say to people tell me your
problem.
They go oh, here's my problem.
I say, put your head down andimagine your mother and father
giving you all of theirattention.
They both have their hands onyour mom's tummy and they're
much in, very much in love.
It's peaceful, quiet andthey're just so happy that
they're going to have a familyand they're so happy you're here
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.
Then they'll sit there andshake for a couple of minutes
and then I'll say, okay, tell meabout your problem, is it the
same?
And they'll look at me and gono, it's gone, yeah, yeah.
So you know, homo sapiens in theyear 2023 is, to many respects
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in industrialized civilization,a profoundly, profoundly upset
animal.
We are not what Mother Naturedesigned us to be, and what
we're trying to do with theoptimal human experience is
restore the natural order.
Restore the natural order,restore the natural order.
When an acupuncturist takes aneedle and he puts it in an
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acupuncture point, what's hedoing?
What's she doing?
They're trying to balance themeridians, they're trying to
balance the amount of energy andthey're trying to restore the
natural order.
There's an acupuncture point onthe inside of the chin that is
one fist, one hand width, onehuman hand above the bone on the
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middle of the ankle right.
It's called sanyin ko.
Sanyin ko is the intersectionof three meridians.
San means three, yin means yinas opposed to yang, and ko means
point.
This intersection of liver,kidney and spleen is a very
powerful organs and they'reusually pretty badly beaten up
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in a society that lives onhamburgers and cola and other
short chain carbohydrates andplenty of salt.
So when you reach in and pinchon sanyin ko, people will
characteristically jump to go.
That hurts If they live ondecent food.
Get plenty of rest, stay awayfrom blaring lights and lots of
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noise.
Stop fighting with people.
Begin to get away from rapportdeprivation sickness.
You'll never guess what happensto sanyin ko.
Paul Andrew (31:34):
I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say
it's not as sensitive,absolutely.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (31:43):
All of this is just to restore the natural
order.
To restore the natural orderand the Oriental philosophy has
really laid it out very nicelyand we have to go back to some
of our Taoist teachings, some ofthe old Buddhist teachings.
In the end, nature always wins.
In the end, nature always wins.
Paul Andrew (32:09):
So you're saying that in the end nature always
wins.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (32:16):
Everything turns into its opposite.
The only really meaningfulquestion for most people is life
is bad health going to turninto good health before life
turns into death?
Paul Andrew (32:29):
Right, right, great question.
Okay, and that's our time forepisode 10 of the Optimal Human
Experience with one of myfavorite humans, dr Joseph
DiRuzzo.
So join us next time for theOptimal Human Experience podcast
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See you next time.
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
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To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
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Paul Andrew (00:24):
Welcome to episode 10 of the Optimal Human
Experience Podcast with DrJoseph DiRuzzo.
My name is Paul, Andrew and DrJoe.
What do you want to talk?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (00:39):
about.
You know, the development ofthe prenatal re-imprinting
technology is really.
It was kind of interestingbecause it was all done
backwards, Backwards.
How do you?
Paul Andrew (00:51):
develop it?
How do you develop it backwards?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (00:54):
Well, I kept asking myself when did this
person develop this response tothis set of stimuli for the very
first?
Announcer (01:03):
time.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (01:04):
And so you know, I would ask people did you
do this when you were a child,you know, and it'd go yeah, and
I did, you know, when you weresix.
Yeah, five, yeah, four, yeah,it was all done backwards Now
were you was this in during.
Paul Andrew (01:19):
Were you doing hypnosis, hypnosis, regression?
Were you?
When you say, well, did you doit at five?
You know six, you're justasking them over coffee at the
diner.
How, how did this work?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (01:32):
Well, I was.
You know, I had done my my NLPtraining with Doug Sauber and
Corey DeTorres of thePhiladelphia Institute for NLP.
In those days NLP was reallyriding high and of course with
any degree of popularity comesinterneicing warfare.
So all the rest I needed to hadto.
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There was Richard's camp, therewas Leslie's camp and there was
John Grinders camp and thenDavid Gordon and Robert Diltz
tried to kind of it's more orless just stay neutral.
You know it was funny.
They had the people would sayRichard Bandler was all internal
computations, john Grinders wasall external behaviors and
(02:16):
Leslie Cameron Bandler was allinternal states and if you put
the three of them together yougot a whole person.
This was how I would laugh atthat.
But yeah, I, I got.
I got into the Erickson hypnosisand I bought the collected
works of Milton Erickson, whichI believe were in two volumes.
(02:36):
Either I bought it or I got itfrom the library and I was at a
point in my life where I hadconsiderable amount of spare
time and I just got into it andI tried to recapitulate or
reproduce each one of the uh,hypnotic patterns that Milton
Ericsson had in his collectedworks.
(02:57):
You know, the collected worksof Milton Ericsson.
You have all these otherauthors.
You know Bill something orother and they had.
You know, all these variousbooks.
There was a fellow who went andlived with Milton Erickson and
studied him thoroughly.
But after all is said and done,I think Grinders and Bandler
gave the most precise breakdownof the hypnotic patterning of
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Milton Erickson and they gave usvolumes one and two.
But I was into it and you knowEricsson would do age regression
and not to be outdone by MiltonErickson.
I started age regressing peoplein hypnotic trance and, um,
you'd be surprised what you find.
But it wasn't until I blundered.
(03:42):
I mean I threw diligence andstudy.
Paul Andrew (03:45):
Careful, careful study and scientific method
carefully, meticulouslydocumented, meticulously you
know, with the I came across theum.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (03:57):
I had a person that they had.
They would respond to anycomment with a negation and a
head tick.
I'd say those are your andthose are nice shoes.
They go well.
They're not my nicest shoes.
I'd say well, it's a beautifulday and they go well.
Yesterday is not as nice asyesterday.
And they would turn their headto the side like like and
(04:18):
scrunch their nose up andscrunch their nose, scrunch Okay
.
Paul Andrew (04:22):
Now the nose scrunch just yet another
scientific, meticulouslydocumented term in your research
papers.
I'm sure.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (04:29):
I don't know anything unless it's peer
reviewed.
Double blind nose scrunched,you know I mean the soler is to.
It has to be documentedthoroughly.
Okay, hold on hold on.
Paul Andrew (04:40):
Was the Milton Miltonian, the Ericksonian
hypnosis.
Was that part of the trainingof NLP or was this something
that was, that was kind ofpulled in from the outside?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (04:52):
No, they.
They went through Milton,erickson's Milton, the Milton
model and the meta model and theMilton model where all of the
ambiguities that Milton used toinduce a trance you know, you're
trying to develop someunderstandings and and of of the
optimal human experience.
(05:12):
These understandings will cometo you, but it's going to take a
certain amount of training andyou're going to have to put in a
certain amount of effort.
It'll be enjoyable in a veryinteresting way and it'll be
relaxing.
It'll cause you to have a deep,any sense of relaxation,
whatever you deal with people ina way that's in right and the
Milton model is all of these.
(05:33):
You know syntactic ambiguitiesand scope ambiguity, all this,
yeah, and you put people into atrance.
I put I was at a conference onetime and there was a woman
there.
She was a psychiatrist and Isaid you know, what are you
doing?
She said I'm a psychiatrist.
Oh, I feel better already.
As a matter of fact, I'mstarting to feel better.
(05:54):
I feel confident that you know,it's nice to have real
professionals here and justtalking with.
I'm starting to feel a sense ofrelaxation.
And her eyes were starting toclose, just starting to go into
a trance, and she realized whatI was doing.
And well, she was absolutelyfurious.
As well she should have been.
I was way out of line.
Paul Andrew (06:15):
Well, it's, you know, part of uh maintaining
rapport deprivation sickness.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (06:21):
It's part of the doctor, joe, actually.
Paul Andrew (06:25):
That part that contagious, I hope.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (06:27):
This fellow, he would.
He would turn his head and andso I kept asking did you do this
when you were five?
Did you do this on your floor,did you do this?
And eventually I had beendelivering babies and working in
a uh OBGYN hospital in a placecalled San Cristobal in the
Dominican Republic, which is onerather unpleasant area.
(06:48):
It's down in the far southwestcorner, not far from Haiti,
which is another ratherunpleasant area.
But I've been studying this andin one of the textbooks of
OBGYN the common is made that ifa woman is stressed, it will
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stress the infant, the embryo,and they may defecate into the
amniotic fluid.
And if you put OrientalDiagnosis, which is simply acute
observation, in with MiltonErickson's hypnosis in with
OBGYN, it looked to me like thisperson was trying to move their
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face away and I just happenedto take a guess.
I said is this before you'reborn?
He said yes.
I said what's going on?
He said there's somethingagainst my face.
I don't like it.
It burns, I don't like it.
That was, that was the initialimprinting experience and that's
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where prenatal re-imprintingcame from.
That one thing, that oneparticular incident was it.
And then, of course, you knowit required all the development,
all the other development thatgoes along with it.
But we have our standardprenatal re-imprinting dogma
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sperm meets an unfertilized egg.
They come together and make afertilized ovum that divides
into two cells, four cells,eight cells, 16 cells.
When it reaches the 32 cellstage it's called the blastula.
At this point the blastula, theintercell mass of the blastula,
begins to spread out toward thehead and toward the feet,
rostrally and caudally, andimmediately forms the neural
(08:33):
plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the neural plate of the human
being is the neural plate.
Now there are some people whosay that there's imprinting, the
going on before that, and I'mnot going to deny that.
But the formation of the neuralplate is singular in its
importance.
The neural plate continues toextend toward the head and
toward the feet and folds overand forms the neural tube.
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The neural tube begins to forminvaginations that eventually
become the paleocorticalstructures of the lenticular
nucleus, the amygdala, thehypothalamus, all of the
phylogenetic, ancient, ancient,ancient evolutionary structures.
And at this moment personalitystructure begins to be
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established as a series ofsimple Pavlovian stimulus
response.
Reflex arcs.
And all of the problems thatpeople have in life, without
exception, are the end result ofmaladaptive reflexes
established in the prenatalperiod under conditions of
maternal and or fetal distress.
Paul Andrew (09:41):
Okay, time out.
So you figured all of that outby regressing this one guy
hypnotically back to before hewas born and came to the
conclusion that he had defecatedinto the amniotic fluid and it
(10:01):
was getting up against his faceand it burned and he didn't like
it.
What?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (10:07):
other conclusion could one draw?
Paul Andrew (10:12):
Well, I'm guessing it took more than like he didn't
come up with that immediatelyat the end of the session.
Oh well, clearly what we havehere is a sperm metanagin and
formed a neural tube in theplate, and now you have this
tick.
It must be so.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (10:31):
Well, I thought it was an unusual
approach to things.
But then I started puttingpeople into the prenatal
position and putting them intothe prenatal trance and asking
them questions, and invariablythey came up with some comment
that just made perfect sense,like your daughter, bridget.
Right, it was prenatal and youknow I've had a heated
(10:55):
discussion and you know 20 yearsthat, years later, bridget
remembered it.
People remember these things.
Yes, she did.
Now let me ask you a personalquestion.
You've been working with thismaterial yourself for at least
15 years, 15 years more.
Have you ever seen it not bejust consistently as we lay it
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out?
Paul Andrew (11:19):
I've.
I have yet to see it not beshockingly accurate as in as in,
someone will get into theprenatal state, that meditation,
and remember stuff that there'sno possible way that they could
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have known.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (11:41):
Exactly so.
The the the further ourprenatal re-imperting science,
the the embryo forms in in theshape of C curve.
The head is here, then the thecoxis is down here and it's a C
curve Every one of the vertebrae.
You have seven cervicalvertebrae, you have 12 thoracic
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vertebrae, you have five lumbarvertebrae and you have a sacrum.
Every one of those bones has aplace where it joins with the
bones above it.
That is known as an apophysialjoint.
All of these joints are heavilyinnervated.
If you close your eyes and turnyour head to the left, go ahead
.
Do you still know where you are?
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Yes, why?
Well, because the joint, thejoint mechanisms, the joint
sensors are putting input intoyour brain.
So when we do prenatalre-imprinting, what we want to
do is recapitulate as much aspossible the exact conditions of
the pre-nate in the womb.
That's why we have people puttheir head down, and it's not
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just simply put your head downand tuck your chin, it's like
lean forward and recapitulatethat C-shaped curve.
When does the neck curve beginto go the opposite way?
Paul Andrew (13:00):
Well, after the baby's born and start having
tummy time, and they lift theirhead and it wiggles all around
and they lift their wobblylittle head and the cervical
curve begins to form.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (13:16):
The reason for these curves is there's a
book called Kapangy.
It's all about the joints.
Kapangy is an excellent book.
How do you spell that?
K-a-p-a-n-j-a-y, j-a-i, kapangy.
He's got two or three volumes.
But if you look at the spinefrom the side, you know, if you
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take a broom and you put it inyour hand and you stand it on
end, you can stand there with abroom and hold it up right.
But if it begins to tip, thenit takes a lot more work to get
back underneath it.
Well, the human spine has gotfive curves.
It's got a curve right underthe, the occiput.
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It's got another curve in thecervical spine, another curve in
the thoracic, another curve inthe lumbar, another curve in the
sacrum, and each one of thosecurves constitutes a spring.
Remember the leaf springs?
Yeah, and every time you take astep, those five curves are
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supposed to flex and absorb theshock of your footstep.
Okay With it.
Announcer (14:27):
Yeah.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (14:27):
Okay.
So if you lose a curve, if alot of people have a military
neck, they'll have a ramrod neckand they end up getting what
Neck problems.
Announcer (14:37):
All kinds of headaches.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (14:38):
Yeah, headaches, and if they have a
lower back that is too straight,they end up with low back pain.
So the point of this is, ineach level of the spine, nature
has given us a number of joints.
Those joints have nerves thatfeed back into the central nerve
axis and up into the brain andwhen we do prenatal
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re-imprinting we want to use asliterally as an anchor the
prenatal posture.
It is a reminder of what wasgoing on.
So then we have somebody who'sgot a problem with the angers.
We will anchor the feeling ofanger on their arm and then
we'll put them back into theprenatal position and fire the
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anchor on their arm and becausethey have an enhanced recall
they're already in the prenatalposition they'll go.
Oh my mother and father arefighting and there are
everybody's angry.
And I'll say what's the complexgeneralization?
And they'll say from time totime everybody has to be angry.
And I'll say to them whathappens in your life?
(15:44):
They'll go oh goodness gracious, from time to time I and
everybody I know just has to beangry.
Paul Andrew (15:52):
Right, say more about complex generalization,
because that seems to be a realstretch, and again, I've
experienced it and seen it overand over again, so I can't argue
with it.
But I can ask the question thatsome people anybody listening
to this must be thinking oh,come on.
(16:13):
So you're saying this littlebaby who's maybe 64 cells at
this point, it's a neural tube,mom and dad are fighting and
this baby comes up with the,this, some generalization Say.
Say more about that and what'syour theory, at least, about how
that, how that could evenhappen?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (16:32):
Well, you know, remember Conrad Lorenz,
right, he had.
He was an animal psychologistand he worked with ducks and he,
he, he did some duck eggs andwhen the little ducklings began
to hatch out of their shells, heheld a ball above them and they
imprinted.
Their initial imprintingexperience was to the ball.
In nature It'd be to their momand in nature they would follow
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their mom down to the local pond.
Well, when Conrad Lorenz heldthe ball above them, they
imprinted to the ball and hewould roll the ball around his
living room and this little herdof ducklings would line up and
run around behind the ball as ifit was there.
What, Mama?
They're mom.
So the initial imprintingexperience is most impactful.
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It sets the stage foreverything to follow.
That's why the prenatal periodis so dramatically powerful.
In that time we learned certainbasics Is the world a happy
place?
Is the world a sad place?
Are people happy?
Are people not happy?
Is there enough?
Is there not enough?
Do people stay in rapport?
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Do they get out of rapport?
Is rapport a normal, naturalthing to be in?
We learn at the level, at thevery fundamental level I talk
about.
You know, there's aconsciousness, your frontal
vertebral projections and mostof your cerebral cortices.
And then there's yourunconscious, which is the
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midbrain, and Erickson used towork a lot with that.
And then there's what I callthe pre-conscious, the deep
paleocortical structures, andwhen they're damaged, there's a
phenomenon known as Atheosis, orpeople just like wave their
hands around and they havesnake-like movements, worm-like
(18:22):
movements, atheotic movements.
It indicates damage where Deepin the brain, in the
paleocortical structures.
Hmm, guess who?
Guess who used to have atheoticfits every once in a while?
Who's that?
Adolf Hitler?
Oh, you would.
You would start, you know,winding his arms around, going
(18:45):
like this.
He was a real nutcase, but youknow he did what he did.
So in the prenatal technology,this fundamental concept of
sperm meets an unfertilized egg.
They make a fertilized ovumthat divides into two, four,
eight cell, eight, sixteen andthirty two, and during this time
, everything that goes on isextremely influential because
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it's earliest.
Let me ask you this you havedone some financial consulting
in your life.
Hmm, what's the significance ofputting money aside for a baby
Before it's born, as opposed towhen you try to do it when it's
ten years old?
What's the difference in earnedIncome in interest?
Paul Andrew (19:30):
Oh well, the the compounding is dramatic that
that if you put money away Frombirth through ten years, versus
starting at ten years up to age20 or 25, chances are the that
first ten years will grow morebecause it had more time to
compound, because it had.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (19:50):
It's because it's the earliest Imprinting
experience, right right now.
That makes much more sense toyou because I put it in language
that you understand.
You have a really reference foryeah, boss.
Paul Andrew (20:03):
Yeah, okay, real quick.
We're about a little overhalfway through.
I just want to remind peoplethat if you like what you're
hearing or you want to learnmore, please visit
optimalhumanexperiencecom, thewebsite.
This podcast, all these other,all the previous podcasts and
future podcasts will be.
There's a page on there forthose, along with other
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information about courses andprograms that dr Deruso has
developed over the years.
Optimalhumanexperiencecom, drJoe, carry on so there, there
you are.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (20:37):
You know that.
Remember I mentioned there wasa Sonogram of a baby in utero
and mom and dad were shoutingand every, with every shout, the
little babies.
You just Just jerk right andwhat?
What are the complexgeneralizations that that infant
is going to learn and carry onthroughout their life?
Paul Andrew (20:56):
Right, I'll see if I can't.
I'll see if I can't find thatvideo and put it up on the
website for people, because thatis that really what I remember,
seeing that for the first time,and Uh Are others, but that one
was just, you know, right onthe money, exemplary, yeah, yeah
.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (21:16):
So all of all of these things and and you
know the overall epistemology ofOf prenatal re-impering as it
fits into the optimal humanexperience, the the the coolest
thing to me, well, amongstothers, is the idea that when
you look at people and you catchthem in, and Uh, unguarded
moment, you catch them in anunguarded moment.
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That is the predominatingmotion that they had While they
were in utero, before they wereborn.
And you know, I, every once ina while, I'll catch a few
minutes of one of these podcastswhen the guys have, uh, there's
three or four guys and there'sfive or six girls, and the guys
are telling the girls that menprefer a woman who's virtuous
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and a virgin.
And the statistics are that ifA woman has a lot of a high body
count, the percentage of thosewho go into divorce is
astronomical.
It's like only five percent ofthe Marriages last, if I don't
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remember if it was the man orthe woman or both, but if they
have had a lot of partners,saying adios is the thing to do.
Paul Andrew (22:30):
Right, right right.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (22:32):
It's uh hard to get a printing.
It comes in.
Paul Andrew (22:35):
Yeah, hard to get a pair bond when there hasn't
been much in the way of Of realcommitment before that right.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (22:44):
So all of these things, you, the first
experiences, is very, verysignificant, very, very
imprinting, very powerful, andthat is our, our prenatal dogma.
All of the problems that peoplehave in life, without, without
exception, are the end result ofMaladaptive reflexes
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established in the prenatalperiod under conditions of
maternal or fetal distress.
Announcer (23:11):
What are our?
What are our?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (23:13):
categories?
What are our relevance criteriafor prenatal re-imprinting?
There's resources, money andother resources.
Announcer (23:20):
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (23:21):
There's your home, your domicile, there's
your significant other, thereare your allies, your status,
your freedom, your selfexpression, your offspring and
your contribution.
And to the largest extent, youknow, the 80-20 rule prevails.
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80% of the people will havethese things they're searching
for.
Then 20% don't care.
And if you have a problem inany one of those categories,
it's simple.
Just say to them what's yourpredominant problem today.
They'll say I'm fighting withmy wife.
Say get the feeling, anchor thefeeling on your thumb, put your
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head down, assume the prenatalposition properly so that you
get those neurons in yourapophysi, apophysial joints
firing properly and then tell mewhat's going on.
They'll say well, mom and dadare fighting.
Paul Andrew (24:29):
And so that problem that they're experiencing now
goes back to the prenatal periodspecifically under that one
relevance criteria.
So do you find that typicallylet's see how many are there
Three, six, nine relevancecriteria that people will have
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issues in, concentrated in twoor three, or across the board,
or one, or what do you seetypically?
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (25:00):
Or is there a typical?
They will walk in and mostpeople have a problem that they
know that they want to work on,and for most people, either
their money will be wildly outof whack or ship will be out of
whack, things of inferiority,uncertainty, inadequacy,
(25:24):
insecurity, and then they'llhave personal problems.
Okay, can you go back?
Paul Andrew (25:28):
Hold on, we broke up again.
Can you go back to you startedwith?
They'll come in and somethingwill be out of whack like their
money will be out of whack.
Something will be out of whack,for example.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (25:45):
For example, you know, I had a friend who
was a psychologist and he saidyou know, there are people who
they claim that they just walkeddown the street and they had
bad luck.
A piano will fall in their head.
So some psychologists andfollowed them around for a while
.
Guess what?
They had bad luck.
The pianos would fall out ofthe sky and hit them on the head
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.
So that's where we get into therealm of quantum physics.
But in the eight categories andthen their self esteem and how
you feel about you, right?
And and I'll say to people sayyour name to me.
And they'll say you know Fred.
And I'll say say your name Fred, say your name Fred, anchor the
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feeling.
And I'll get an anchor.
I'll put them in the prenataland I'll say say Fred, and fire
off the anchor.
That goes with the emotion ofFred.
And they'll go oh, my motherdoesn't want to be pregnant and
she doesn't know what to name meand she doesn't know if she's
going to say stay with my father.
And she doesn't know if shewants to keep the pregnancy and
she doesn't know how to tell hermother she's pregnant.
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And I'll say well, you ever getany, have any uncertainty in
your life and then go.
Why?
Why?
Oddly enough, yes, how did youknow?
Shocking, shocking, shocking,the.
The real fun, the blessing, thesweet spot, the joy, the, the
delight of the prenataltechnology and all of this
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behavioral engineering is thatit really helps us make sense
out of a world that, if youdon't have it, really doesn't
make a whole heck of a lot ofsense, right, but once you get
it, it's just bingo.
Paul Andrew (27:25):
There it is, and talk for a couple of minutes
about.
So we've got the nine relevancecriteria when you include self
expression.
Talk about what you call notthe four horsemen of the
apocalypse, but the fivehorsemen of the apocalypse five
(27:45):
horsemen of the apocalypseFeelings of inferiority,
uncertainty and security andinadequacy.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (27:51):
And then they had a different logical
level, really Personal problems.
And I got onto the personalproblems thing Because I was,
you know, I like to read, andMichio Kushi was talking about
how people would get, how thenumber of radios in Great
(28:11):
Britain as it went up, thenumber of heart attacks that
people had went upcorrespondingly, like the more
bad news people got.
Paul Andrew (28:20):
What more heart attacks.
They had say yeah, right.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (28:25):
So, and I would notice that people would
have problems.
A lot of what prenatalre-imprinting came out of is
presumptions of culturalanthropology, Just presumptions.
What were people doing 500,000years ago when a man and a woman
got pregnant?
(28:46):
Were they paying attention toAdolf Hitler, Winston Churchill,
Franklin Delano Roosevelt?
No, none of that stuff existed.
Paul Andrew (28:56):
Adam Abbott no were they listening to the radio?
No, they couldn't afford aradio.
It was 500,000 years ago.
Where are they going to getthat kind of money.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (29:06):
So I used to say to people tell me your
problem.
They go oh, here's my problem.
I say, put your head down andimagine your mother and father
giving you all of theirattention.
They both have their hands onyour mom's tummy and they're
much in, very much in love.
It's peaceful, quiet andthey're just so happy that
they're going to have a familyand they're so happy you're here
(29:26):
.
Then they'll sit there andshake for a couple of minutes
and then I'll say, okay, tell meabout your problem, is it the
same?
And they'll look at me and gono, it's gone, yeah, yeah.
So you know, homo sapiens in theyear 2023 is, to many respects
(29:48):
in industrialized civilization,a profoundly, profoundly upset
animal.
We are not what Mother Naturedesigned us to be, and what
we're trying to do with theoptimal human experience is
restore the natural order.
Restore the natural order,restore the natural order.
When an acupuncturist takes aneedle and he puts it in an
(30:10):
acupuncture point, what's hedoing?
What's she doing?
They're trying to balance themeridians, they're trying to
balance the amount of energy andthey're trying to restore the
natural order.
There's an acupuncture point onthe inside of the chin that is
one fist, one hand width, onehuman hand above the bone on the
(30:36):
middle of the ankle right.
It's called sanyin ko.
Sanyin ko is the intersectionof three meridians.
San means three, yin means yinas opposed to yang, and ko means
point.
This intersection of liver,kidney and spleen is a very
powerful organs and they'reusually pretty badly beaten up
(31:02):
in a society that lives onhamburgers and cola and other
short chain carbohydrates andplenty of salt.
So when you reach in and pinchon sanyin ko, people will
characteristically jump to go.
That hurts If they live ondecent food.
Get plenty of rest, stay awayfrom blaring lights and lots of
(31:26):
noise.
Stop fighting with people.
Begin to get away from rapportdeprivation sickness.
You'll never guess what happensto sanyin ko.
Paul Andrew (31:34):
I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say
it's not as sensitive,absolutely.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (31:43):
All of this is just to restore the natural
order.
To restore the natural orderand the Oriental philosophy has
really laid it out very nicelyand we have to go back to some
of our Taoist teachings, some ofthe old Buddhist teachings.
In the end, nature always wins.
In the end, nature always wins.
Paul Andrew (32:09):
So you're saying that in the end nature always
wins.
Dr. Joseph Diruzzo (32:16):
Everything turns into its opposite.
The only really meaningfulquestion for most people is life
is bad health going to turninto good health before life
turns into death?
Paul Andrew (32:29):
Right, right, great question.
Okay, and that's our time forepisode 10 of the Optimal Human
Experience with one of myfavorite humans, dr Joseph
DiRuzzo.
So join us next time for theOptimal Human Experience podcast
(32:51):
.
See you next time.
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