November 16, 2023 • 33 mins
Does chronic stress, fear of failure, or lack of self-confidence sound familiar? Join us in a transformative conversation with Dr. Joseph Diruzzo, where we uncover the secrets to overcoming these common challenges and journeying towards the Optimal Human Experience. Through the lens of private practice and Oriental medicine, we begin to understand the power of nature in restoring balance. Stories from Dr. Diruzzo's practice and a dive into prenatal reimprinting and the surprising benefits of mushrooms for kidney health set the stage for this enlightening conversation.
Have you ever considered how our emotional state could impact our bodily functions? Together with Dr. Diruzzo, we explore the surprising correlation between fear and kidney function, and how a mother's emotional state during pregnancy can influence the fetus's biochemical environment. We'll tackle heavy societal influences such as the media's impact and the consequences of a lack of social connection. Yet, hope is not lost. We'll introduce you to transformative tools like neurolinguistic programming, hypnosis, and acupuncture therapy - all aimed at enriching your quality of life.
We wrap up the conversation with an empowering discussion on fostering positive behavior and optimism. We address the prevalent issues of deprivation, sickness, and the human tendency to use wealth as a distraction from inner turmoil. Could dopamine addiction be at the root of these negative behaviors? We explore potential interventions. Furthermore, we delve into the crucial role parents play in shaping their children's perceptions of internal control and resilience. So, come along with us and our resident expert, Dr. Diruzzo, and take a step towards your Optimal Human Experience.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to episode 11 of the Optimal Human Experience
Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul Andrew.
I'm here with Dr Joseph DiRuzzoand the question must arise
what do you want to talk about,except To get started?
(00:46):
I'm going to read you a list ofsymptoms or problems or issues
that people apparentlyfrequently have trouble with,
and what I'd like you to do islet's discuss.
What are the commonalities andhow do these things, how do you
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move from these issues down apath toward the Optimal Human
Experience?
How's that sound?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Sounds good to me.
Boy, that's ambitious, Isn't itOkay?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
well, take a deep breath, Sit down.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Shall we reiterate the fundamental dogma of
prenatal re-imperial?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Not yet.
Not yet.
We shan't Hold on.
Listen to this.
This is more important.
These are problems by gummyFear of failure or fear of
rejection, lack ofself-confidence or lack of
self-esteem, negative self-talkoh, I'm not good enough, I can
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never do that.
You know what he's going tolike me.
Or limiting beliefs,procrastination or lack of
motivation, addiction orcompulsive behavior.
And how about?
Well, you know, end on this one.
I could go for another 45minutes.
Chronic stress or anxiety.
You look around and everywhereyou turn you hear tales of these
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issues.
So tell us the path from any ofthese, all of these, multiple
of these, toward the OptimalHuman Experience.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know this kind of harks back to the time when I
was in private practice,practicing privately.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Were you in the by chance, the department of
redundancy department.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I was there over and over again trying to find a
resolution to an ongoing problem.
Okay, but the you know you canattack any problem.
You know, if you feel likeyou're fundamentally out of sync
with the universe, then youattack problems.
And if but if you're in harmonywith the universe, all this
stuff just goes away.
But what really impressed me alot about when I was practicing
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privately was people would comein literally with shopping bags
full of pharmaceuticals.
You know they'd be like 68years old and they had had 12
heart attacks and 16 strokes andand they'd say, doctor, would
you like to see my medication?
And they would take out ashopping bag and they would line
up all these drugs.
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And you know there's a medicinecalled diazide.
What's it called Diazide?
Yeah, it's called diazide.
And so if you and I alwayslooked at them, I said, well,
this is an ominous sign.
When I took the program anddiagnosis and internal diseases,
they would talk about ominoussigns.
(03:42):
You know, somebody comes in andtheir their ankles are so
swollen they look like they'restanding in two uh, waste paper
baskets and that's an ominoussign.
That's see, I timed that.
I timed that comment just whenyou were taking a drink and it
was perfect, helping for a spittake.
Yeah.
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So you know, if, if I, I wouldsay to people all right, I want
you to go home and eat a bigbowl of cooked carrots twice a
day, and I would say to peoplewell, let's smooth out your
blood system, your blood sugars,and I'd say I want you to eat
oatmeal, big bowl of oatmealtwice a day, and with a couple
of eggs, cook some eggs into theoatmeal protein and and the
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oatmeal, and they'd get better.
I'd give them herbs and they'dget better.
I'd adjust their back andthey'd get better.
I tell them to eat it.
I'd give them herbs and they'dget better.
I'd adjust their back andthey'd get better.
I'd tell them I want you tosoak your feet in hot water, hot
salty water, draw the toxinsout of your system, and they'd
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get better.
It seemed like everything.
You could do, almost anything,and it would improve their
health.
And if you improved it a littlebit here and there and you're
in there.
Eventually they got better.
Sometimes it was very rapid.
So my tendency is to say wecame from nature, we returned to
nature and, in the end, natureis all there is, and I listened
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to people talking about healthand behavior and codependent
behavior, and he's manipulative,and these people are just
wildly out of sync with thenatural order.
What is the fundamental formatof prenatal re-imprinting?
The fundamental format is thatthe prenatal period is
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foundational in terms ofeverything we are, everything
that we do and who we are.
So we can begin attacking theseproblem states by changing some
of the prenatal patterns.
However, let's talk aboutsomething different.
In Oriental medicine, there arefoods that are more specific
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for one thing than another, andthey talk about mushrooms.
Where do mushrooms grow?
In the forest, yeah, and theforests are often wet, and if
you look at a mushroom, it shedswater.
If you eat mushrooms, it goesinto your system and helps your
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kidneys shed water.
I don't know why it works likethat, it just does so.
When I was a little boy, myfather, who was a woodsman, took
me into the woods and he showedme different kinds of mushrooms
and I learned which ones aregood to eat and which ones are
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really not so good to eat.
And I was in upstate New Yorkwith my son, jonathan, and we
were out in the woods three daysafter it had been a heavy rain.
What happens characteristicallyabout three days after a heavy
rain Mushrooms, baby, mushrooms,baby.
We came upon trees fallen down,trees that were loaded with
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mushrooms.
I took off my shirt, I tied thesleeves, I filled the shirt
full of mushrooms.
I had him do the same.
We had mushrooms and we tookthem home, cleaned them and I
fried them a little, a littleolive oil and garlic, and we had
mushrooms.
Honest to God, it was such anexperience of physiologic health
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care.
It strengthened my kidneys toan extraordinary degree.
So whenever you see a person innormal society eating the
standard American diet, you'reseeing somebody who's had the
micronutrients of their foodremoved and, characteristically,
sold to the farmers so thatthey can feed them to the pigs.
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The pigs are healthier thanmost of the clients I had.
Did you ever go to the grocerystore and you see, like a frozen
chicken?
And it would say chicken partsremoved.
Mm-hmm, right, yeah, well,guess what I had patients and
guess what they had had Partsremoved, parts removed, you know
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one of my favorites Partsremoved.
Yeah, everybody.
These parallels are all aroundus.
One of my favorite writers,james Howard Kuntzler, said
about the time in America in 50sand 60s when people were
smoking.
They would go to a factory andthe factory would have a smoke
stack and a chimney and you'dsee, before work people would
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gather around the base of thechimney.
And what would they do?
They were smoking too.
They were smoking cigarettes,marbles, you know camels, how's
your sex life?
I said to do a guy one time.
He said, well, I'd walk a milefor a camel.
I said, oh, oh, oh, we camefrom, we come from nature, we
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return to nature and the endresult of microprocessing our
food and removing everything outof it that's good for you.
That might spoil.
I used to say to people youhave something in your pantry,
it's been there for months, ithasn't spoiled.
Why not?
I said, well, I don't know.
And I'd say, well, the answeris it's already spoiled.
They took everything out of it.
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Was any good?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Can't go down any further.
It's done.
Did you ever see a picture ofthat?
Wasn't a Big Mac?
I think it was like a quarterpound with cheese or something
McDonald's hamburger Like sixyears old.
Oh, longer than this.
I think it's up to like 20years old now and it still looks
just like it did when he handedit to him.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
40 years ago, my acupuncture Oriental Medicine
teacher, misha Kushi, used tosay in years come, you will pay
a horrendous price for removingthe micronutrients from your
food.
You will pay and see.
You see it walk down the street.
Over the last 10 years thechickens have really come home
to roost.
So these feelings of partsremoved, parts removed yeah,
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sure, everybody's got it.
And while I went in and had mygallbladder removed, I had this
right that I looked at an x-rayyesterday and the fellow you
know he's got back pain,horrible back pain.
He thinks he strained his back.
He's got a hole in one of hiship bones about the size of a
quarter.
I don't know.
It doesn't look like it'smetastasized, but it looks like
cancer to me.
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So all of these things, there'scommonalities, there's things
that they all fit together.
When people have feelings oflack of motivation and so on and
so forth, where was the setpoint for all of this?
Established Pray tell in theprenatal period, under
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conditions of what?
Fetal or maternal distress?
So I'll say to people what'swrong and they'll say I don't
have much motivation.
I'll say, okay, put your headdown, take a deep breath, don't
Imagine yourself floating in theamniotic fluid.
Is your mother active or is shekind of just sluggish?
They go oh, she's sluggish,she's not moving.
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I'll say well, do you feel likeyou have adequate oxygenation
and adequate movement, or doesit feel like you're just kind of
?
There's a phenomenon known ashypokinetic disease, where
people just don't move enough.
And they'll invariably they'llsay well, my mother, just she
doesn't want to do anything,she's not moving.
I'll say all right, let's do agated image, guided fantasy.
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Have your mom get up open thewindows, take a broom, sweep the
floor and enjoy normal andactive activity within
physiologic limits she's notstressing herself and have her
sing a little bit and have herbreathe the fresh air deeply.
Then I'll say how's yourfeelings of inadequate
motivation?
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And they will say why, by gollythey're gone.
So much of the things that youhave mentioned have the
commonality of blood stagnation,blood stagnation.
And if the set point isestablished in the prenatal
period, where people just don'tmove a whole heck of a lot, they
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will fight their entire life tobe motivated to get up and feel
like doing things, and so onand so forth, and they're
fighting a losing battle becausethe set point and the molecules
of emotion that wereestablished during the prenatal
period will tend to always comeback, always come back, always
come back.
And the remedy is we're lookingfor the optimal human
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experience.
So many times I'll say to peopleimagine your mom and dad
sitting down to a table andthere's baked salmon and there's
fresh greens and there's cookedcarrots and there's nuts and
berries and there is a wonderfulpowerful root, licorice root
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and rhubarb root, and there'sall these various roots.
They give strength, they arestrong, they burrow into the
ground, they burrow into theground, they're strong.
And so in Oriental medicine youlook for the characteristic of
the food and not so much thevitamins and minerals.
But if they're strong and thefruits grow up toward the sky,
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they grow up toward the sky andthey're full of vitamins.
Roots burrow into the ground,they're full of minerals.
And you look at what's thecharacteristic of this food,
what's the characteristic ofwhite bread?
So I will have people in guidedfantasy sit there and eat food
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that is full of essential aminoacids, full of essential fatty
acids, just strong, healthy,good stuff, in a positive mental
attitude state where there'srapport and enjoyment and
happiness and satisfaction andall the worries of the world
have gone away.
Next thing, you know, guesswhat?
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What we're trying to do isre-establish the proper set
point so that they havemotivation as a normal
physiologic expression of ahealthy human body, and this is
called the optimal humanexperience.
You guessed it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay, that's about half time.
Just want to say real quick Ifyou want to learn more, please
visit optimalhumanexperiencecom.
That'soptimalhumanexperiencecom.
There's videos on there, pastpodcasts, lots of stuff.
Now, sorry to interrupt you,but, boy, I did a good job.
(14:52):
You know, I was listening to acomedian the other day, norm
McDonald.
I don't know if you know NormMcDonald.
Anyway, he was talking abouthow he had read an obituary of
someone who had died after along bout with cancer you know,
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a long battle with cancer and helost the battle.
And then Norm says well, youknow, I don't know about that,
because you know if the guy dies, then the cancer dies.
So seems like it's more kind ofa draw he didn't lose.
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You know, he got at least adraw out of the deal.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Now people fight with cancer and they have battled
cancer and then they have a warwith these and it's awful
because they're fighting andthey're having a war and then,
oddly enough, they fight withtheir wife and they fight with
their kids and they fight withtheir and they fight with their
neighbors.
Shock, and there's a you know,yeah, shocking there.
And all of these, all of theseextremely oxidative or adrenal
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hormones generate free radicals,sulfoxide radicals, single at
oxygen, just all of these freeradicals, and they degrade the
system, they degrade the immunesystem, they damage the
chromosomes, they giveexpression to cancers, et cetera
.
And there's the, the, theincidence of cancer these days
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and other degenerative diseases,metabolic syndrome oh my
goodness, it's just all over theplace.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, and I have read different theories on that.
Cancer can't exist in a stateof high oxygen, oxygen
oxygenation.
If there's a lot of oxygenaround, the cancer, cells can't
survive in that environment.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I've heard.
I've heard that they existprimarily in an anaerobic
situation, where, where there'sjust not enough oxygen.
Doesn't that jive with aprenatal set point for lack of
of of fundamental oxygen up tothe optimal state?
Yeah, if mom has got, you know,if mom is just not moving
around much.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'd explain.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'd explain further, but honestly, god, what's the
use?
You know Right right.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, I'm looking through this.
You know this short list ofthings.
I read at the beginning and andI can see where, certainly the
set point during the prenatalperiod makes a lot of sense fear
of failure, fear of rejection.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But then fear, of any fear, of anything has to do
with kidney function.
Any fear, any fear, yeah fear.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Okay, well, how would you?
How would that relate back tothe prenatal state?
Are you saying that the motherhad potentially some kidney
issue and was experiencing fearand that imprinted the, the
prenat, or how would that work?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You know, some of these things are so universal in
in the industrialized societies.
Every time I turn on the TV orYouTube or whatever, and I'll
see somebody with like circlesunder their eyes that you could
pitch our shoes into.
I mean, there is literally noone whose kidney function is
optimal.
They just, you know, and it'snot measurable by ordinary
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laboratory tests, althoughthey'll give you an indication.
You just look at people's faceand you'll see everything that's
going on.
For myself personally, if I havea lot of green smoothies and I
have plenty of brown rice and Iget to bed, the circles under my
eyes just simply go away.
If I get some bad news, or if I, you know, have a big chocolate
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bar or something like that, thenext day, there they are again
the circles under the eyes.
So you know, when you seepeople who've got big circles
under their eyes, you can pacethe reality by saying well, I'm
afraid I have bad news.
They'll go.
Oh, you're afraid, you know.
Yeah, yeah, I was scared thatthis was going to happen, you
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know, sometimes.
And they'll sit there like agiant, has grabbed their head
and is nodding their head forthem.
Oh yeah, I was afraid of thattoo.
Oh yeah, that's terrified me.
I've been afraid of that and mymother used to be afraid of
that, and you know there's a lotof people that I know are just
terrified of this fear.
Kidney function and kidneysthey require a certain
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oxygenation.
If the oxygen in the kidneys issub par, is sub optimal, they
will develop free radicals.
Oxygen at a certainconcentration is a free radical
quencher and it's just.
You know it all fits togetherIf you think about it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And then, okay, so fear kidneys, lack of
self-confidence, lack ofself-esteem, those are kind of
the same logical type or in thesame arena lack of
self-confidence.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You know, I was listening to a podcast the other
night and these guys wereasking women, do you like men
with confidence?
And they went oh yeah, we wanta guy with confidence.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well, so we can crush it out of them.
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
My question is okay.
So you have confidence.
What specifically is that thegood ant that warrants
self-confidence?
And these guys will be like 20years old.
They'll be confident as hell.
They won't know anything, theycan't do anything and they, you
know, have no idea what's goingon in the world.
But they have confidence.
Yes, they have confidence.
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Lack of confidence Think aboutit.
It can be usefully thought ofas a form of incongruity Maybe I
can, maybe I can't.
Maybe I can, maybe I can't.
So if the mother is not surethat she wants the pregnancy,
well, maybe it would be nice tohave a baby.
Well, I don't know if this isthe right time.
Well, George just lost his job.
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Well, I did want a baby.
Well, my mother says having ababy is a good thing.
Well, I don't know.
Everybody, Everybody, Everybodysings me that's not the right
time.
What do you think would happento a pre-nate under those
biochemical circumstances, withthose molecules of emotion?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Oh, okay, this sounds good.
No, maybe it doesn't.
Oh, I don't know.
This might be oh, no, no, no,no, no, I'm not sure.
Yes, oh, and positive that I'mnot sure.
Yeah, I was a bit be someconfusion.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, and the amazing thing is is like almost nobody
knows where this stuff comesfrom.
I've listened to you know, drPhil, and what Jordan Peterson a
nice man, a well intentionedman, brilliant guy best
vocabulary.
He's got almost as many wordsas whoever it's huge words and
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does he understand thesignificance of the imprinting
of the prenatal period?
Apparently not, not yet.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Not yet no.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Okay, he's a good guy Really.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, so and so what about procrastination, lack of
motivation?
I think you kind of alreadytouched on that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know, what helps women with procrastination when
they're pregnant is a line ofcocaine.
You know that really helps thema lot.
That's really they are.
They are no longer.
They do not procrastinate afterthat.
Well, what is what isprocrastination?
It's toward and away fromsimultaneously, right, uh huh.
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Okay, so they got a real towardcircuit and they got a real
away from circuit and they can'tquite bring themselves to do it
.
In the end, physiology andpsychology are the front and
back of the same thing and, aswe've said over and over again,
a sperm meets an unfertilizedegg, forms a fertilized ovum,
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divides into two, four, eight,16, 32 cells.
This is really an extremelyformative period.
And if mom is motivated andshe's out and walking around,
normal physiologic exercise,she's making the space nice for
the baby.
Then the baby gets the complexgeneralization there's a place
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for me gets a complexgeneralization there's resources
for me, gets the complexgeneralization that things, I
can make things nice for myself.
If mom is just whacked out andstressed out of her mind, then
she's going to have a baby whoselife later on is what Wacked
out and stressed.
Wacked out and stressed, that'sall there is to it.
This is so straightforward Onceyou understand the molecules of
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emotion this is sostraightforward and understand
the prenatal period reignssupreme.
All you have to do to improveyour life is put yourself in the
prenatal position and startdoing meditations where you're
with nature and you're happy andmom is happy and the food is
good and she's drinking plentyof fresh, clear water, breathing
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plenty of fresh, clean air andthe next thing you know, you
start to calm down, relax, calmdown, get centered, and then the
problems that you had in lifebegin very slowly to go away and
you begin to experience theoptimal human experience and all
of the tools that we haveneurolinguistic programming,
brown rice, milton Erickson'shypnosis, dave Dobson's other
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than conscious communication,michio Kushi's, oriental
diagnosis, facial diagnosis,acupuncture therapy it all fits
into the grand scheme andultimately we came from nature,
we are part of nature, we returnto nature and finally, in the
end, nature is all there is.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So, looking at this list, I think you just summed it
up that every one of these andI only read the first five or
six of this list of very commonissues that people say, oh, I
have trouble with it, I havetrouble with it, lack of support
or lack of social connection Ican see where, okay, that makes
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perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
If the mother during the prenatal period felt like
I'm not getting any support or Idon't have a social network, I
have no one around to speak withor talk to or have any kind of
In a culture where turn on theTV and notice the degree of
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rapport, deprivation, sickness,and then turn on a radio talk
show or TV talk show and noticethe argumentative, antagonistic
syndrome firing off and peopleyou know.
James Howard Consellor saysthat people have a feeling of
being separated and alone andthey have boredom and antagonism
and the life is meaningless.
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I was watching a video tape ofsome people out in the African
bush and one guy killed a somekind of wild abuser, something,
and he brought it home for thetribe to eat and he said
somebody asked him what's thegreatest you know joy you've
ever had in your best day ofyour life?
And he said it was when Ikilled that beast and I brought
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it home and we all had plenty toeat and we were dancing around
the fire and everybody was happyand I was the hero because I
made a contribution and we wereall in rapport and we all
thought it was great that we hadplenty to eat and life was good
and I was the hero.
And yeah, that should be.
You know, people's lives shouldbe an ongoing contribution to
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others for which they'readequately and properly rewarded
.
They shouldn't be battling withnature and fighting a cancer,
and warring with their neighbor,and all of this stuff is just
profoundly maladaptive, it'sprofoundly unnatural and it is
so commonplace.
This concept of rapport,deprivation, sickness oh my God,
it is pandemic.
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It is all over the place, allthe time.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, and it doesn't help that the I don't know if we
talked about this before, butthere was some fellow who was
going and doing charitable workin Africa and out in the bush
and he says, yes, in this tribethey subsist on less than a
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dollar a day.
And I thought, wait a minute.
They go out and they dig rootsto eat, they go hunt for food.
They have water right there inthe river and the creek that
comes by, or the well, and whatdo they need the money for?
They're not.
There's nothing to buy.
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There's nothing they need tobuy because all of their basic
needs are taken care of and theyseem to be happy, other than
the fact that you came there andsaid what?
You don't have any money.
You need money.
We've got to get you some moremoney.
You should start a business andthen you can have a business
and then you can get money andthen you can buy stuff.
Well, what stuff, I don't know?
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Stuff that seems cool, that youmight think you like or don't
really need it, but it's kind ofcool to have.
That's why you need money.
You need more than a dollar aday.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
A lot of what people do when they're spending money
is they keep themselvesdistracted from how horrible
they feel deep inside.
That was one of Dave Dobson'sthings.
You see people sitting aroundjudging other people.
That's a big pattern.
Other people will be doingthings to distract themselves
from their profoundly negativeand unpleasant internal state.
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What was it?
Yogi Berra said something likeyou'd be surprised what you can
see if you look.
Remember that one.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I'd be surprised, I tell you.
I think I know with my kids.
What I've noticed is a daughterin particular who is so excited
about getting anything new,whether it's a trinket from the
little 25 cent machines at thegrocery store or some new toy or
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new outfit or whatever it isbut it's that dopamine hit.
I think she's addicted todopamine because she's happy for
a few minutes and within a daythat thing's forgotten and then
it's on to the next thing.
Oh, but look at that, it's socute.
I really, really, really,really love this.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Let me ask you, Daddy , how can you positively
intervene?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm thinking duct tape a closet.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Why don't we try something a little more
conservative?
You asked me.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You didn't say a good idea.
You asked me how I would do it.
Go ahead, you're at war withthe universe again.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That's right, it's all against me Notice her
external behavior on the days inwhich she's kind of down.
I'm making the assumption thereare days when she's down or
she's just not Sometimes,sometimes yeah.
All right.
So notice her external behavioron the days in which she's down
and in usual judgment you knowit's not up for people, it's not
(30:34):
good for people to be up inmanic all the time but model
back to her her externalbehavior when she's down, If her
head is inclined 30 degrees tothe front right and she's always
kind of looking around.
Model it back to her outside ofawareness.
Begin straightening up justslightly, only as fast as her
(30:58):
unconscious mind will, inrapport, Come along with you.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You got it yeah isn't that slick.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Okay, I'll notice, then notice the Characteristic
words that she uses, thecriteria in days that are down.
Now you don't want to be, youknow, you don't want to stick
her into a permanent dopaminehigh, but if she gets down,
notice the characteristic wordsand begin putting those words
together in Sentences that aremore positive, mm-hmm right, and
(31:29):
model back to her externalbehavior, outside of her
awareness, just only as fast asher physiology will allow.
Begin to straighten up andAssume the optimal human
experience, the optimal posture,the optimal optimism, the
optimal everything okay and thatI have homework now.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I got to write this down.
That's that's it for episode 11of the optimal human experience
podcast with dr Joseph Deruso.
I'm Paul, andrew, and we'll seeyou next time.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
This has been the optimal human experience podcast
with dr Joseph Deruso.
For the latest videos andcourses, visit
optimalhumanexperiencecom.
Join us next time for theoptimal human experience podcast
with dr Joseph Deruso.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, so let me write this down.
Model behavior outside ofconscious.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Where Straighten up?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Stand back.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Stand back, give her plenty of space.
You don't want her to feel, youknow, oppressed.
But then stand up and notice ifshe comes along with you, and
then stand up only and you mayhave to go back.
You know, stand up only as fastas she'll come with you.
You're literally installing thephysiology of the optimal human
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experience.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, and here's my success metric quits asking for
the s Once you quit, every timeyou go to the store.
Oh,
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to episode 11 of the Optimal Human Experience
Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul Andrew.
I'm here with Dr Joseph DiRuzzoand the question must arise
what do you want to talk about,except To get started?
(00:46):
I'm going to read you a list ofsymptoms or problems or issues
that people apparentlyfrequently have trouble with,
and what I'd like you to do islet's discuss.
What are the commonalities andhow do these things, how do you
(01:09):
move from these issues down apath toward the Optimal Human
Experience?
How's that sound?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Sounds good to me.
Boy, that's ambitious, Isn't itOkay?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
well, take a deep breath, Sit down.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Shall we reiterate the fundamental dogma of
prenatal re-imperial?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Not yet.
Not yet.
We shan't Hold on.
Listen to this.
This is more important.
These are problems by gummyFear of failure or fear of
rejection, lack ofself-confidence or lack of
self-esteem, negative self-talkoh, I'm not good enough, I can
(01:49):
never do that.
You know what he's going tolike me.
Or limiting beliefs,procrastination or lack of
motivation, addiction orcompulsive behavior.
And how about?
Well, you know, end on this one.
I could go for another 45minutes.
Chronic stress or anxiety.
You look around and everywhereyou turn you hear tales of these
(02:12):
issues.
So tell us the path from any ofthese, all of these, multiple
of these, toward the OptimalHuman Experience.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know this kind of harks back to the time when I
was in private practice,practicing privately.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Were you in the by chance, the department of
redundancy department.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I was there over and over again trying to find a
resolution to an ongoing problem.
Okay, but the you know you canattack any problem.
You know, if you feel likeyou're fundamentally out of sync
with the universe, then youattack problems.
And if but if you're in harmonywith the universe, all this
stuff just goes away.
But what really impressed me alot about when I was practicing
(02:59):
privately was people would comein literally with shopping bags
full of pharmaceuticals.
You know they'd be like 68years old and they had had 12
heart attacks and 16 strokes andand they'd say, doctor, would
you like to see my medication?
And they would take out ashopping bag and they would line
up all these drugs.
(03:19):
And you know there's a medicinecalled diazide.
What's it called Diazide?
Yeah, it's called diazide.
And so if you and I alwayslooked at them, I said, well,
this is an ominous sign.
When I took the program anddiagnosis and internal diseases,
they would talk about ominoussigns.
(03:42):
You know, somebody comes in andtheir their ankles are so
swollen they look like they'restanding in two uh, waste paper
baskets and that's an ominoussign.
That's see, I timed that.
I timed that comment just whenyou were taking a drink and it
was perfect, helping for a spittake.
Yeah.
(04:02):
So you know, if, if I, I wouldsay to people all right, I want
you to go home and eat a bigbowl of cooked carrots twice a
day, and I would say to peoplewell, let's smooth out your
blood system, your blood sugars,and I'd say I want you to eat
oatmeal, big bowl of oatmealtwice a day, and with a couple
of eggs, cook some eggs into theoatmeal protein and and the
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oatmeal, and they'd get better.
I'd give them herbs and they'dget better.
I'd adjust their back andthey'd get better.
I tell them to eat it.
I'd give them herbs and they'dget better.
I'd adjust their back andthey'd get better.
I'd tell them I want you tosoak your feet in hot water, hot
salty water, draw the toxinsout of your system, and they'd
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get better.
It seemed like everything.
You could do, almost anything,and it would improve their
health.
And if you improved it a littlebit here and there and you're
in there.
Eventually they got better.
Sometimes it was very rapid.
So my tendency is to say wecame from nature, we returned to
nature and, in the end, natureis all there is, and I listened
(05:09):
to people talking about healthand behavior and codependent
behavior, and he's manipulative,and these people are just
wildly out of sync with thenatural order.
What is the fundamental formatof prenatal re-imprinting?
The fundamental format is thatthe prenatal period is
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foundational in terms ofeverything we are, everything
that we do and who we are.
So we can begin attacking theseproblem states by changing some
of the prenatal patterns.
However, let's talk aboutsomething different.
In Oriental medicine, there arefoods that are more specific
(05:51):
for one thing than another, andthey talk about mushrooms.
Where do mushrooms grow?
In the forest, yeah, and theforests are often wet, and if
you look at a mushroom, it shedswater.
If you eat mushrooms, it goesinto your system and helps your
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kidneys shed water.
I don't know why it works likethat, it just does so.
When I was a little boy, myfather, who was a woodsman, took
me into the woods and he showedme different kinds of mushrooms
and I learned which ones aregood to eat and which ones are
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really not so good to eat.
And I was in upstate New Yorkwith my son, jonathan, and we
were out in the woods three daysafter it had been a heavy rain.
What happens characteristicallyabout three days after a heavy
rain Mushrooms, baby, mushrooms,baby.
We came upon trees fallen down,trees that were loaded with
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mushrooms.
I took off my shirt, I tied thesleeves, I filled the shirt
full of mushrooms.
I had him do the same.
We had mushrooms and we tookthem home, cleaned them and I
fried them a little, a littleolive oil and garlic, and we had
mushrooms.
Honest to God, it was such anexperience of physiologic health
(07:18):
care.
It strengthened my kidneys toan extraordinary degree.
So whenever you see a person innormal society eating the
standard American diet, you'reseeing somebody who's had the
micronutrients of their foodremoved and, characteristically,
sold to the farmers so thatthey can feed them to the pigs.
(07:43):
The pigs are healthier thanmost of the clients I had.
Did you ever go to the grocerystore and you see, like a frozen
chicken?
And it would say chicken partsremoved.
Mm-hmm, right, yeah, well,guess what I had patients and
guess what they had had Partsremoved, parts removed, you know
(08:04):
one of my favorites Partsremoved.
Yeah, everybody.
These parallels are all aroundus.
One of my favorite writers,james Howard Kuntzler, said
about the time in America in 50sand 60s when people were
smoking.
They would go to a factory andthe factory would have a smoke
stack and a chimney and you'dsee, before work people would
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gather around the base of thechimney.
And what would they do?
They were smoking too.
They were smoking cigarettes,marbles, you know camels, how's
your sex life?
I said to do a guy one time.
He said, well, I'd walk a milefor a camel.
I said, oh, oh, oh, we camefrom, we come from nature, we
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return to nature and the endresult of microprocessing our
food and removing everything outof it that's good for you.
That might spoil.
I used to say to people youhave something in your pantry,
it's been there for months, ithasn't spoiled.
Why not?
I said, well, I don't know.
And I'd say, well, the answeris it's already spoiled.
They took everything out of it.
(09:10):
Was any good?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Can't go down any further.
It's done.
Did you ever see a picture ofthat?
Wasn't a Big Mac?
I think it was like a quarterpound with cheese or something
McDonald's hamburger Like sixyears old.
Oh, longer than this.
I think it's up to like 20years old now and it still looks
just like it did when he handedit to him.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
40 years ago, my acupuncture Oriental Medicine
teacher, misha Kushi, used tosay in years come, you will pay
a horrendous price for removingthe micronutrients from your
food.
You will pay and see.
You see it walk down the street.
Over the last 10 years thechickens have really come home
to roost.
So these feelings of partsremoved, parts removed yeah,
(09:58):
sure, everybody's got it.
And while I went in and had mygallbladder removed, I had this
right that I looked at an x-rayyesterday and the fellow you
know he's got back pain,horrible back pain.
He thinks he strained his back.
He's got a hole in one of hiship bones about the size of a
quarter.
I don't know.
It doesn't look like it'smetastasized, but it looks like
cancer to me.
(10:19):
So all of these things, there'scommonalities, there's things
that they all fit together.
When people have feelings oflack of motivation and so on and
so forth, where was the setpoint for all of this?
Established Pray tell in theprenatal period, under
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conditions of what?
Fetal or maternal distress?
So I'll say to people what'swrong and they'll say I don't
have much motivation.
I'll say, okay, put your headdown, take a deep breath, don't
Imagine yourself floating in theamniotic fluid.
Is your mother active or is shekind of just sluggish?
They go oh, she's sluggish,she's not moving.
(11:07):
I'll say well, do you feel likeyou have adequate oxygenation
and adequate movement, or doesit feel like you're just kind of
?
There's a phenomenon known ashypokinetic disease, where
people just don't move enough.
And they'll invariably they'llsay well, my mother, just she
doesn't want to do anything,she's not moving.
I'll say all right, let's do agated image, guided fantasy.
(11:31):
Have your mom get up open thewindows, take a broom, sweep the
floor and enjoy normal andactive activity within
physiologic limits she's notstressing herself and have her
sing a little bit and have herbreathe the fresh air deeply.
Then I'll say how's yourfeelings of inadequate
motivation?
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And they will say why, by gollythey're gone.
So much of the things that youhave mentioned have the
commonality of blood stagnation,blood stagnation.
And if the set point isestablished in the prenatal
period, where people just don'tmove a whole heck of a lot, they
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will fight their entire life tobe motivated to get up and feel
like doing things, and so onand so forth, and they're
fighting a losing battle becausethe set point and the molecules
of emotion that wereestablished during the prenatal
period will tend to always comeback, always come back, always
come back.
And the remedy is we're lookingfor the optimal human
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experience.
So many times I'll say to peopleimagine your mom and dad
sitting down to a table andthere's baked salmon and there's
fresh greens and there's cookedcarrots and there's nuts and
berries and there is a wonderfulpowerful root, licorice root
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and rhubarb root, and there'sall these various roots.
They give strength, they arestrong, they burrow into the
ground, they burrow into theground, they're strong.
And so in Oriental medicine youlook for the characteristic of
the food and not so much thevitamins and minerals.
But if they're strong and thefruits grow up toward the sky,
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they grow up toward the sky andthey're full of vitamins.
Roots burrow into the ground,they're full of minerals.
And you look at what's thecharacteristic of this food,
what's the characteristic ofwhite bread?
So I will have people in guidedfantasy sit there and eat food
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that is full of essential aminoacids, full of essential fatty
acids, just strong, healthy,good stuff, in a positive mental
attitude state where there'srapport and enjoyment and
happiness and satisfaction andall the worries of the world
have gone away.
Next thing, you know, guesswhat?
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What we're trying to do isre-establish the proper set
point so that they havemotivation as a normal
physiologic expression of ahealthy human body, and this is
called the optimal humanexperience.
You guessed it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay, that's about half time.
Just want to say real quick Ifyou want to learn more, please
visit optimalhumanexperiencecom.
That'soptimalhumanexperiencecom.
There's videos on there, pastpodcasts, lots of stuff.
Now, sorry to interrupt you,but, boy, I did a good job.
(14:52):
You know, I was listening to acomedian the other day, norm
McDonald.
I don't know if you know NormMcDonald.
Anyway, he was talking abouthow he had read an obituary of
someone who had died after along bout with cancer you know,
(15:16):
a long battle with cancer and helost the battle.
And then Norm says well, youknow, I don't know about that,
because you know if the guy dies, then the cancer dies.
So seems like it's more kind ofa draw he didn't lose.
(15:38):
You know, he got at least adraw out of the deal.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Now people fight with cancer and they have battled
cancer and then they have a warwith these and it's awful
because they're fighting andthey're having a war and then,
oddly enough, they fight withtheir wife and they fight with
their kids and they fight withtheir and they fight with their
neighbors.
Shock, and there's a you know,yeah, shocking there.
And all of these, all of theseextremely oxidative or adrenal
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hormones generate free radicals,sulfoxide radicals, single at
oxygen, just all of these freeradicals, and they degrade the
system, they degrade the immunesystem, they damage the
chromosomes, they giveexpression to cancers, et cetera
.
And there's the, the, theincidence of cancer these days
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and other degenerative diseases,metabolic syndrome oh my
goodness, it's just all over theplace.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, and I have read different theories on that.
Cancer can't exist in a stateof high oxygen, oxygen
oxygenation.
If there's a lot of oxygenaround, the cancer, cells can't
survive in that environment.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I've heard.
I've heard that they existprimarily in an anaerobic
situation, where, where there'sjust not enough oxygen.
Doesn't that jive with aprenatal set point for lack of
of of fundamental oxygen up tothe optimal state?
Yeah, if mom has got, you know,if mom is just not moving
around much.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'd explain.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'd explain further, but honestly, god, what's the
use?
You know Right right.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, I'm looking through this.
You know this short list ofthings.
I read at the beginning and andI can see where, certainly the
set point during the prenatalperiod makes a lot of sense fear
of failure, fear of rejection.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But then fear, of any fear, of anything has to do
with kidney function.
Any fear, any fear, yeah fear.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Okay, well, how would you?
How would that relate back tothe prenatal state?
Are you saying that the motherhad potentially some kidney
issue and was experiencing fearand that imprinted the, the
prenat, or how would that work?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You know, some of these things are so universal in
in the industrialized societies.
Every time I turn on the TV orYouTube or whatever, and I'll
see somebody with like circlesunder their eyes that you could
pitch our shoes into.
I mean, there is literally noone whose kidney function is
optimal.
They just, you know, and it'snot measurable by ordinary
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laboratory tests, althoughthey'll give you an indication.
You just look at people's faceand you'll see everything that's
going on.
For myself personally, if I havea lot of green smoothies and I
have plenty of brown rice and Iget to bed, the circles under my
eyes just simply go away.
If I get some bad news, or if I, you know, have a big chocolate
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bar or something like that, thenext day, there they are again
the circles under the eyes.
So you know, when you seepeople who've got big circles
under their eyes, you can pacethe reality by saying well, I'm
afraid I have bad news.
They'll go.
Oh, you're afraid, you know.
Yeah, yeah, I was scared thatthis was going to happen, you
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know, sometimes.
And they'll sit there like agiant, has grabbed their head
and is nodding their head forthem.
Oh yeah, I was afraid of thattoo.
Oh yeah, that's terrified me.
I've been afraid of that and mymother used to be afraid of
that, and you know there's a lotof people that I know are just
terrified of this fear.
Kidney function and kidneysthey require a certain
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oxygenation.
If the oxygen in the kidneys issub par, is sub optimal, they
will develop free radicals.
Oxygen at a certainconcentration is a free radical
quencher and it's just.
You know it all fits togetherIf you think about it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And then, okay, so fear kidneys, lack of
self-confidence, lack ofself-esteem, those are kind of
the same logical type or in thesame arena lack of
self-confidence.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
You know, I was listening to a podcast the other
night and these guys wereasking women, do you like men
with confidence?
And they went oh yeah, we wanta guy with confidence.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well, so we can crush it out of them.
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
My question is okay.
So you have confidence.
What specifically is that thegood ant that warrants
self-confidence?
And these guys will be like 20years old.
They'll be confident as hell.
They won't know anything, theycan't do anything and they, you
know, have no idea what's goingon in the world.
But they have confidence.
Yes, they have confidence.
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Lack of confidence Think aboutit.
It can be usefully thought ofas a form of incongruity Maybe I
can, maybe I can't.
Maybe I can, maybe I can't.
So if the mother is not surethat she wants the pregnancy,
well, maybe it would be nice tohave a baby.
Well, I don't know if this isthe right time.
Well, George just lost his job.
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Well, I did want a baby.
Well, my mother says having ababy is a good thing.
Well, I don't know.
Everybody, Everybody, Everybodysings me that's not the right
time.
What do you think would happento a pre-nate under those
biochemical circumstances, withthose molecules of emotion?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Oh, okay, this sounds good.
No, maybe it doesn't.
Oh, I don't know.
This might be oh, no, no, no,no, no, I'm not sure.
Yes, oh, and positive that I'mnot sure.
Yeah, I was a bit be someconfusion.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, and the amazing thing is is like almost nobody
knows where this stuff comesfrom.
I've listened to you know, drPhil, and what Jordan Peterson a
nice man, a well intentionedman, brilliant guy best
vocabulary.
He's got almost as many wordsas whoever it's huge words and
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does he understand thesignificance of the imprinting
of the prenatal period?
Apparently not, not yet.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Not yet no.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Okay, he's a good guy Really.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, so and so what about procrastination, lack of
motivation?
I think you kind of alreadytouched on that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know, what helps women with procrastination when
they're pregnant is a line ofcocaine.
You know that really helps thema lot.
That's really they are.
They are no longer.
They do not procrastinate afterthat.
Well, what is what isprocrastination?
It's toward and away fromsimultaneously, right, uh huh.
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Okay, so they got a real towardcircuit and they got a real
away from circuit and they can'tquite bring themselves to do it
.
In the end, physiology andpsychology are the front and
back of the same thing and, aswe've said over and over again,
a sperm meets an unfertilizedegg, forms a fertilized ovum,
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divides into two, four, eight,16, 32 cells.
This is really an extremelyformative period.
And if mom is motivated andshe's out and walking around,
normal physiologic exercise,she's making the space nice for
the baby.
Then the baby gets the complexgeneralization there's a place
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for me gets a complexgeneralization there's resources
for me, gets the complexgeneralization that things, I
can make things nice for myself.
If mom is just whacked out andstressed out of her mind, then
she's going to have a baby whoselife later on is what Wacked
out and stressed.
Wacked out and stressed, that'sall there is to it.
This is so straightforward Onceyou understand the molecules of
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emotion this is sostraightforward and understand
the prenatal period reignssupreme.
All you have to do to improveyour life is put yourself in the
prenatal position and startdoing meditations where you're
with nature and you're happy andmom is happy and the food is
good and she's drinking plentyof fresh, clear water, breathing
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plenty of fresh, clean air andthe next thing you know, you
start to calm down, relax, calmdown, get centered, and then the
problems that you had in lifebegin very slowly to go away and
you begin to experience theoptimal human experience and all
of the tools that we haveneurolinguistic programming,
brown rice, milton Erickson'shypnosis, dave Dobson's other
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than conscious communication,michio Kushi's, oriental
diagnosis, facial diagnosis,acupuncture therapy it all fits
into the grand scheme andultimately we came from nature,
we are part of nature, we returnto nature and finally, in the
end, nature is all there is.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So, looking at this list, I think you just summed it
up that every one of these andI only read the first five or
six of this list of very commonissues that people say, oh, I
have trouble with it, I havetrouble with it, lack of support
or lack of social connection Ican see where, okay, that makes
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perfect sense.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
If the mother during the prenatal period felt like
I'm not getting any support or Idon't have a social network, I
have no one around to speak withor talk to or have any kind of
In a culture where turn on theTV and notice the degree of
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rapport, deprivation, sickness,and then turn on a radio talk
show or TV talk show and noticethe argumentative, antagonistic
syndrome firing off and peopleyou know.
James Howard Consellor saysthat people have a feeling of
being separated and alone andthey have boredom and antagonism
and the life is meaningless.
(26:00):
I was watching a video tape ofsome people out in the African
bush and one guy killed a somekind of wild abuser, something,
and he brought it home for thetribe to eat and he said
somebody asked him what's thegreatest you know joy you've
ever had in your best day ofyour life?
And he said it was when Ikilled that beast and I brought
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it home and we all had plenty toeat and we were dancing around
the fire and everybody was happyand I was the hero because I
made a contribution and we wereall in rapport and we all
thought it was great that we hadplenty to eat and life was good
and I was the hero.
And yeah, that should be.
You know, people's lives shouldbe an ongoing contribution to
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others for which they'readequately and properly rewarded
.
They shouldn't be battling withnature and fighting a cancer,
and warring with their neighbor,and all of this stuff is just
profoundly maladaptive, it'sprofoundly unnatural and it is
so commonplace.
This concept of rapport,deprivation, sickness oh my God,
it is pandemic.
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It is all over the place, allthe time.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, and it doesn't help that the I don't know if we
talked about this before, butthere was some fellow who was
going and doing charitable workin Africa and out in the bush
and he says, yes, in this tribethey subsist on less than a
(27:30):
dollar a day.
And I thought, wait a minute.
They go out and they dig rootsto eat, they go hunt for food.
They have water right there inthe river and the creek that
comes by, or the well, and whatdo they need the money for?
They're not.
There's nothing to buy.
(27:51):
There's nothing they need tobuy because all of their basic
needs are taken care of and theyseem to be happy, other than
the fact that you came there andsaid what?
You don't have any money.
You need money.
We've got to get you some moremoney.
You should start a business andthen you can have a business
and then you can get money andthen you can buy stuff.
Well, what stuff, I don't know?
(28:12):
Stuff that seems cool, that youmight think you like or don't
really need it, but it's kind ofcool to have.
That's why you need money.
You need more than a dollar aday.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
A lot of what people do when they're spending money
is they keep themselvesdistracted from how horrible
they feel deep inside.
That was one of Dave Dobson'sthings.
You see people sitting aroundjudging other people.
That's a big pattern.
Other people will be doingthings to distract themselves
from their profoundly negativeand unpleasant internal state.
(28:46):
What was it?
Yogi Berra said something likeyou'd be surprised what you can
see if you look.
Remember that one.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I'd be surprised, I tell you.
I think I know with my kids.
What I've noticed is a daughterin particular who is so excited
about getting anything new,whether it's a trinket from the
little 25 cent machines at thegrocery store or some new toy or
(29:23):
new outfit or whatever it isbut it's that dopamine hit.
I think she's addicted todopamine because she's happy for
a few minutes and within a daythat thing's forgotten and then
it's on to the next thing.
Oh, but look at that, it's socute.
I really, really, really,really love this.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Let me ask you, Daddy , how can you positively
intervene?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm thinking duct tape a closet.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Why don't we try something a little more
conservative?
You asked me.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You didn't say a good idea.
You asked me how I would do it.
Go ahead, you're at war withthe universe again.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
That's right, it's all against me Notice her
external behavior on the days inwhich she's kind of down.
I'm making the assumption thereare days when she's down or
she's just not Sometimes,sometimes yeah.
All right.
So notice her external behavioron the days in which she's down
and in usual judgment you knowit's not up for people, it's not
(30:34):
good for people to be up inmanic all the time but model
back to her her externalbehavior when she's down, If her
head is inclined 30 degrees tothe front right and she's always
kind of looking around.
Model it back to her outside ofawareness.
Begin straightening up justslightly, only as fast as her
(30:58):
unconscious mind will, inrapport, Come along with you.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You got it yeah isn't that slick.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Okay, I'll notice, then notice the Characteristic
words that she uses, thecriteria in days that are down.
Now you don't want to be, youknow, you don't want to stick
her into a permanent dopaminehigh, but if she gets down,
notice the characteristic wordsand begin putting those words
together in Sentences that aremore positive, mm-hmm right, and
(31:29):
model back to her externalbehavior, outside of her
awareness, just only as fast asher physiology will allow.
Begin to straighten up andAssume the optimal human
experience, the optimal posture,the optimal optimism, the
optimal everything okay and thatI have homework now.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I got to write this down.
That's that's it for episode 11of the optimal human experience
podcast with dr Joseph Deruso.
I'm Paul, andrew, and we'll seeyou next time.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
This has been the optimal human experience podcast
with dr Joseph Deruso.
For the latest videos andcourses, visit
optimalhumanexperiencecom.
Join us next time for theoptimal human experience podcast
with dr Joseph Deruso.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, so let me write this down.
Model behavior outside ofconscious.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Where Straighten up?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Stand back.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Stand back, give her plenty of space.
You don't want her to feel, youknow, oppressed.
But then stand up and notice ifshe comes along with you, and
then stand up only and you mayhave to go back.
You know, stand up only as fastas she'll come with you.
You're literally installing thephysiology of the optimal human
(33:05):
experience.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, and here's my success metric quits asking for
the s Once you quit, every timeyou go to the store.
Oh,
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