November 27, 2023 • 30 mins
Ever wondered how the power of congruence shapes our relationships and overall well-being? Prepare to be enlightened as we, your hosts, Paul Andrew and Dr. Joseph Diruzzo delve into this fascinating topic, drawing from compelling references like the law of attraction and constructive interference. We dissect the crucial role of a robust primary relationship and its positive impact on our internal health, setting the stage to enhance your life.
We then navigate the intriguing concepts of status, prenatal re-imprinting, and their interplay with our brain's pattern installation. You'll discover how prenatal posture and eye movements can unlock your paleocortex and amplify creativity. Speaking from personal journeys, we share how these insights birthed a unique creativity technology that promotes positive prenatal patterns and rapport skills, key ingredients to the optimal human experience.
Finally, we invite you into the world of creativity technology and prenatal re-imprinting, shining a light on how these tools can empower you to overcome life's hurdles, and usher in love, happiness, prosperity, and self-empowerment. Moreover, we venture into scientific proof of the universal law of attraction and its correlation to constructive interference. You'll be surprised to learn that your authenticity emits a more potent frequency from the human body than even love. It's a fascinating discussion you won't want to miss — a chance to truly enhance your human experience!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome.
Welcome to episode 13 of theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul, andrew, and thequestion must arise what are we
going to talk about?
But I'm going to answer it thistime.
(00:45):
Are you ready?
Absolutely, I am ready as I'mgoing to get, I can tell.
I can tell by your reaction ofshaking your head vigorously in
a no manner.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I'm ready.
I'm ready, it's okay.
Yeah, we can talk about it.
Let's talk about congruence.
Let's talk about congruence.
Let's talk about beingcongruent and dynamic and
forceful and centered andpassionate and powerful, and
(01:21):
let's talk about being congruent.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well funny.
You should bring that upbecause, as you might recall,
amir, 12 hours ago or so, I sentyou a video by this fellow,
gary Brecca, and in this videohe claimed to have found the
secret, the hidden secret to thelaw of attraction.
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What makes the law ofattraction work?
He said there is a power on theearth, a force of nature, that
is four quadrillion timesstronger than the power of love.
Well, I might be exaggerating.
He said a lot, though.
What do you say?
4,000, 40,000?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Some huge amount, I believe it was 4,000 times more
powerful than love.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Which I want to know who measured that?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
but still, yeah, how do you measure that?
And his whole.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
He made a good point.
Well, let's see, did he made agood point?
If you look at an oscilloscopeand you try and chart out
neurological behavior and etc.
He had a marvelous sine wave onhis oscilloscope and he showed
that if you increase theintensity, the sine wave gets
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bigger and stronger and morewonderful.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Are you hearing that?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Are you hearing that the bottom line is being
congruent, having all of yourintention?
You know there's a thousanddifferent ways to talk about
intention, congruence, dynamicetc.
But we can tell people who arenot congruent, who have not
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given a full commitment, who arenot really on board.
And in prenatal re-imprintingwe talk about the relevance
criteria.
One of the relevance criteriais physical resources, money,
things like that, and I've metmany people who were incongruent
about money.
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Guess what?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm going to guess they had some issues, slash
problems, slash frustrations,slash any number of other terms
around money.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Sometimes they'd have a lot of money, sometimes they
have no money at all.
It would go up and down andsideways, but it was a
consistent theme because thesame brain waves, the same
behavioral patterns, the sameneurological patterns, the same
degree of incongruence waspresent their whole life.
So the first thing we want tobe is congruent when it comes to
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our physical resources.
If you are congruent in makingmoney, it will show in your bank
account.
The second one is we want to becongruent in our choice of
significant other.
How many people have you heardsay, oh, I really love my wife,
while they shake their head orthe women will go yeah, I've
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been with Harry 20 years andit's been wonderful.
And they'll shake their headand the tone of voice will turn
into a tone not associated withwonderfulness.
Be congruent in your primaryrelationship.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I really, I really, I really love.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Harry, what's amazing is, after Grinder and Bantler
pointed out, that people who arein report tend to use the same
posture, gestures, verbs, nouns,pronouns.
And if you look at people whoare not in report, it is
astonishing the degree to whichthey will not match one
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another's external behavior.
One will be sitting down, theother be standing up.
One will be facing left, theother be facing right.
They do not match.
That is incongruence inside ofthe relationship.
So the first thing is to get inrapport by mirroring and
modeling back to people so thatyou're comfortable.
And then you want to becongruent about your
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relationship, and it's awonderful thing.
And it is just as horrible tobe in a relationship with
someone where you're just notcongruent and neither are they.
I mean, it's just ghastly.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So we want to be congruent and it sounds like
congruence.
Referring back to this video Isent you, he talks about
constructive interference, whereif you're feeling happy and
you're putting off thosevibrations and then you enter
into a communication withsomeone else who's happy, well
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then you can measure that thewave of happiness is bigger than
it was just with you on yourown.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So it reinforces it.
You can see it and I would saythat a man will live
approximately 12 years longer ifhe's married.
I always I kind of took that asa very indicative, very
indicative.
If you have a good primaryrelationship, your lungs, large
intestines, stomachs, lean heart, small intestine bladder,
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kidney, gallbladder, liver, allyour internal organs, your
adrenals, your endocrine systemis going to operate at closer to
the optimal human experience.
It is not really.
It's not.
If you look at you knowanthropology, it's not a usual
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thing for people to be aloneover long periods of their life.
It's quite common in Westerncivilization but it is not.
It's not the optimal humanexperience.
The optimal human experience isto have someone with whom
you're in rapport, you havecommon ground, you have common
values, you use a lot of thesame external behaviors and you
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have rapport and you havecongruence in your relationship.
It's much to be preferred, buta lot of people can't find it
and a lot of people can't createit on their own.
They don't know how to do it.
Our job is to help peopleidentify the optimal human
experience and then engage inthose behaviors, emotions,
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perceptions that are going tobring them to the state of
happiness that I believe mankind.
I believe that mankind reallyshould experience much more
happiness than anything else.
Right, right, I think that'sthe natural state.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Okay, so there you talked about congruence with
regard to your resources, withregard to your loving mate Going
through the relevance criteria.
What other areas of congruencemust there be to experience?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
about how?
About allies?
If you are congruent with yourallies, then you're going to
achieve a lot more.
Our friend, andrew Tate, andhis, his, his boys boy, are they
in rapport about finances andmoney and honor and keeping your
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word, and it works for them.
It works for them.
So, congruencing your businessrelationships.
I don't do business with peoplethat I don't want to do
business with and I don't wantto do business with people if
they're incongruent.
But if they're congruent it's apleasure, it's an absolute
delight and everybody makes moremoney and your clients do
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better and it's just moreproductive.
Overall, congruence in yourbusiness relationships is
absolutely paramount.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, and not just business relationships, but
friendships, extended family, Imean.
There comes a point wherepeople even blood relatives.
It may make more sense todissociate yourself if if
they're not supportive and onthe same page as you and my gosh
(09:27):
.
I've heard rumors that thereare some families that where,
like, people don't even getalong and they're negative.
Have you heard such a thing?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Can you imagine Now, I don't encourage people to stay
in relationships that that arenot productive for them.
However, you know, having saidthat, I think it's important to
try to get in rapport model backexternal behavior, tonality,
voice values, criteria and overthe long term, you can see where
it's not working.
(09:56):
Because you just don't have thesame values Right and it's
tough to be congruent in asituation where you're having
values that are not important toyou Be imposed on on on your
value system.
That just doesn't work verywell.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Right, right.
Well, you can't really get inrapport if, if, if you're that
far apart.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Very, very difficult, very difficult.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So resources, mate, allies, status, status, self
expression.
Hold on, let's talk aboutstatus, because I Well, here's
this example that comes to mindwhen I was in high school, this
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kid moved from Indiana down toTexas and he told everybody he
was great at basketball.
He was great at basketball andit was basketball season and he
was coming out for thebasketball team and he was great
at basketball.
He was going to show us howpeople play basketball down here
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in Texas, because in Indianabasketball is the thing, man,
and so I'm going to show youguys how to play basketball.
And he kind of had.
He built for himself a highlevel of status right up to the
point that he got out on thecourt and his speech and his
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level of pomposity was notbacked up by his skill set, and
he made it through half of onepractice before he was like oh
man, I'm really not that good.
Oh dear, oh dear.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You know, I'll turn on some of these shows and the
young men will ask the womenwhat's important to you in a, in
a suitor, and then they'll say,is confidence important?
And the girls will go yeah, theconfidence is important.
Well, my question is is allright at the ripe old age of 22.
What skill sets have youdeveloped that you can say you
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should deservedly be confident?
I mean, anybody can strutaround and look like they're
being confident.
Okay, when you can be confidentbecause you can actually do
something, that to me is much tobe preferred.
But you know different story.
So you're.
You're a guy who had there, whoplayed basketball.
He was confident until he hadto get out on the floor.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, so he had to actually, you know, put up or
shut up and what.
He just kind of put his headdown and walked back to the
locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know, this thing about status is really very
interesting.
I believe that status isconferred in the prenatal period
and I'll give you an example.
I am Dr Joe Duruzzo, dr Joe'sVander Duruzzo, and when I go
into a room, our mutual friendDr Ross Stewart said to me one
time boy, you know, when youwalk into a room, it's really
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obvious that you know what theheck you're talking about.
You know, when I walk into aroom, it doesn't matter where it
is, I always have a certainlevel of status.
Why, where did that come from?
Where did I feel that degree ofstatus?
for the very first time, thevery first time.
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The answer would never Donnaknew in a million years.
So I'll just give it to you.
My father went off to fight inWorld War II.
He joined the Navy, became agunnery instructor and my little
Italian grandmother thought hehung the moon.
Then, when they defeated Hitlerand Tojo and Mussolini and they
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came back, my grandmotherthought he had hung not only the
moon but the stars as well.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So and there's a lot of stars.
That's a lot of work.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
There's a lot of stars.
When my mother was pregnantwith me, my grandmother looked
at me and she was so proud.
And what did?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I get out of that.
Wow, you got the status ofsomeone who very much believes
that he hung the moon and allthe stars.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You know I didn't do a thing for it.
You're a legend in your ownmind.
You've known me for 15, 20years.
What happens when I walk intothe, into a room, in terms of
status?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well, people, you know they pay attention.
I got, I got to admit, nomatter, I mean, if I'm, even if
I'm, like you know, blowingspitballs at you or you know
don't matter doing a you knowthe old trip, the trip and fall
is.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You know, it doesn't matter, you hung the moon,
that's I walk into a room and Idon't do anything except be me
and I have a certain amount ofstatus.
When we eventually go to thegroup that meets and talks about
prenatal psychology, I'll walkinto the room and talk about
prenatal re imprinting and theneurology behind it.
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What kind of status do youthink I'm going to have there?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, probably just like you did in all those group
sessions where it was remarkable, yeah so remarkable status.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
One of these, one of these days, we're going to put
together a program for peoplewho would like to have more
status and would like to have itjust spontaneously be their
experience Well and it's, that'sthe fascinating thing about
your technology.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Just allow me to, you know, increase your status a
little bit here, if nowhere, butin your own mind, the fact that
, using your technology, one caninstall the same type of
experience that you had withyour grandmother, who imprinted
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on you before you were born.
This, this impression in thisfeeling of, hey, I hung the moon
, I hung.
Well, wait, not just the moon,but the stars too.
My gosh, I really have donesomething here.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
When I walk into a room and I mean I'm not saying
you know, I'm saying reallyeveryone can have a significant
increase in their status in avery good way in a way that
favorably impacts other people,makes it easier to have
relationships, makes you feelstronger as a human being, and
it's genuine and sincere andcomes from the paleocortical
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structures of the deep reptilianlower parts of the brain the
amygdala, the lenticular, thelenticular nucleus, the
hypothalamus, the brainstem.
All of those.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, and also from my experience with you and you
entering rooms that sort ofthing.
It's not.
There are some people that thathave status at the expense of
others.
That's not the case with you.
It's you, you have status in aroom and it's, it's uplifting to
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the people that are there.
It's, it's kind of weird,really, but it's, it's
fascinating.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Well, big part of it is.
I intend to make a contributionto their life, and it's the
same feeling that my littleItalian grandmother had when my
father came home and he had wonthe war and he and his buddies
in the Army, navy, air Force,marines had made a significant
contribution to her life and thelives of everyone in America
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and the world and the world.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, we're a little bit past halfway.
I just want to mention realquickly that if you like what
you're hearing or you want tolearn more about Dr Joe and his
programs and his, his teaching,we have a website,
OptimalHumanExperiencecom.
That'sOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
You can get on a mailing listand get a course through email.
(17:58):
That's free.
There's a bunch of videos.
There's links to all theprevious podcasts,
OptimalHumanExperiencecom.
Okay, so we've been through.
We just finished.
I don't know if we finished.
Is there more about status andcongruence?
What do you want to move?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
on.
There's, there's more regardingprenatal re-imprinting and the
relevance criteria, that's forsure.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Okay, so after status , what would be the next area to
have the congruence?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You hit on something the installation of patterns.
You've got your frontal orbitalprojection, you got your
temporal lobes, you got yourparietal lobes, but deep inside
you've got all these reallyphylogenetically old, old, old
structures, sometimes referredto as the reptilian brain.
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And that's really where youwant to be operating when you
put a person, when a person putstheir head down and the axis
between the external auditorymeadus or earhole the earhole
and your corner of your eye.
once that goes below thehorizontal, then you get into
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programming the paleocortex andit works like a charm.
And it works like a charm everytime.
It is one of the most powerfulthings that I've ever seen and,
characteristically, a lot ofdifferent religions they will
have people put their head downand pray.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, I hadn't really put that together after
listening to you for 250 years.
Yeah, yeah, that's you.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Bow your heads, let's bow your heads and give thanks
and pray, and everybodyuniversally feels better if they
bow their head and give thanks.
Very powerful tool.
So when we talk about statusand allies and freedom, self
expression resources, lovingmate, domicile, all of those
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relevance categories, you'regoing to want to install in the
prenatal posture as much goodfeeling as you can have, and
when you're not installing it,with your head down, you can
have your eyes moving back andforth in the creativity
technology.
A mutual friend of ours, randyKelton, told me yesterday that
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he was studying the video tapesof a genius whose IQ had been
recorded as something over 200.
Well, I've been told thatanything after 150, the
recording, the analysis, isreally kind of meaningless.
I mean, they're just extra,extra, extra smart.
Yeah, and Randy said he watchedthis man who was not
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particularly happy, but hewatched the man move his eyes
left, right, left right, leftright, left right, and as he
moved down the visual field hesaid, dr Joe, it's exactly what
you described in the creativity,whole brain, creativity
technology.
So the optimal human experienceis having wonderful prenatal
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patterns and the optimal humanexperience also includes
wonderful rapport skills,naturally occurring rapport
skills, and it also includes thecreativity technology, the use
of your whole brain to make yourlife as much fun and enjoyment
and productive and happy andsatisfying as you can possibly
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make it.
That's what we're all about.
That's what the optimal humanexperience is designed to do.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, and the creativity technology is also
fascinating.
I remember the first time youtold me about it.
To recount that, do youremember what you told me about?
Because you put yourself in asituation and for I don't know
how many days was it that you?
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What did you do?
How did you develop this?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Well, there was a perfected there was a book
called Tools for Dreamers byRobert Diltz and in it he talks
about Leonardo da Vinci'screativity strategy and Albert
Einstein visualized what itwould be like to be on the
sitting on the end of a beam oflight as it went out into the
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universe and creativity and thecreativity of Jesus of Nazareth.
And he was operating at thelevel of strategies in NLP and I
looked at it and I said what hesays here is that there are
certain strategies that turn onvarious parts of the brain and
my conjecture was hey, what ifwe turn on the whole brain and
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not just parts of it?
So I sat and I did a meditationin a dark room for three days
and I call it the three days ofdarkness.
I just sat there and moved myhead, my eyes left and right,
left and right, left and right,left and right, left and right,
and when I found that there werecertain sticky spots and what I
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conjectured was that those werescotomas or areas of my brain
where there was some somethingthat not fluid, and I just
practiced and practiced, andpracticed until I could go down
the entire visual field, movingmy eyes from left and right,
left and right, left and right.
After that experience, afterthree days of darkness, working
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on my creativity, I was socreative I mean, it was brand
new for me and I would askpeople do you have any problems?
Right, as my you know myclients, do you have any
problems?
And they say, oh yeah.
I said, oh good, wonderful,they would give us something to
work on.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Lay it on me.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So the three days of darkness, the whole brain,
creativity technology, coupledwith prenatal re-imprinting,
coupled with all these wonderful, wonderful tools they're just.
It gives you something trulyremarkable, which you and I have
identified as the optimal humanexperience.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And so with the creativity technology it wasn't
a matter of just kind ofrandomly.
Well, I guess it was.
But when you say through thewhole visual field, when you
look up to the left and right,that is down a little bit left
and right, left and right downand yeah.
And then down more, and each oneof those is targeting a
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different part of the brain andhow the brain thinks and what
the brain thinks like up isvisual and and looking down is
feeling, looking, lookinglooking in the middle is
sometimes referred to astelephone postures Did you ever
see a person sit in front of youand put their hand next to
their cheek, and that's atelephone posture, that's
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auditory access.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
And then all the way down, mostly down to the right,
that's kinesthetic or feeling.
I have an interesting storyabout that.
I had a fellow come in.
He was suffering fromdepression and he was on anti
depressants.
Now, by definition, ananti-depressant is going to work
on the part of the brain thatfeels depressed.
Right, you think so.
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He walks in and sits down.
I say what's what's going onfor you?
And he says I'm depressed.
He looks right at me anddoesn't move his eyes the up,
down, left or right.
I said what's it feel like tobe depressed?
And he said well, I think itfeels awful.
Well, he didn't really knowbecause he wasn't accessing the
downright visual field which ischaracteristic for a normally
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organized right handedindividual.
They will look down to theright if you talk to them about
something that they have felt, afeeling or emotion, whatever.
Did I ever tell you when I cameto call that that down into the
right for people who have whatDave Dobson called feelings out
of awareness or kinesthesia outof awareness?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
No, what did you call ?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
that in Saudi Arabia there's one part of the Saudi
Arabian Peninsula that is deadly.
It is hot, dry.
If you go there, you're going,without question, you're going
to die.
What do they call it, I don'tknow.
They call it the forbiddenquarter.
I would watch a person who hadbeen so traumatized that they
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could not access feelings.
They never looked down into theright and I would say, oh, they
cannot go into the forbiddenquarter.
Those feelings that are thereare so horrible.
So here's this guy and he saysI say, how do you feel when
you're depressed?
He says, well, I think it's notgood.
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And I said, well, what do yourfamily and friends tell you?
And they say, well, apparentlythat's not good either.
And okay, I said, well, allright.
So there we have an interestingconfirmation.
Here's a person taking drugsthat stop his brain, the part
that feels, and so he will notlook down into the right Right.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Whoa.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I had a woman whose wife was utterly in shambles.
Life was horrible and I lookedat her.
She never looked up into theright Guess what was wrong with
her life.
She couldn't plan, she couldnot see anything in the future.
She could not plan in the future.
Well, I anchored for her thefeeling of not being able to
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think about the future and I hadher put herself in the prenatal
position, took it back and Isaid what's going on?
She said my mother hates myfather and he's coming home from
work for dinner and she doesn'twant to even think about it.
I said well, what did you getout of that?
She said I don't want to thinkabout the future.
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Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Because, it's too horrible to even think about, so
I'm just not going to thinkabout it.
Don't go there.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
The thing about all of this material inside of the
optimal human experience is itdraws all of the things that
you've wondered about and makesthem make perfect sense I mean
perfect logical sense over and,over and over again.
And it's held my fascinationand the fascination of many
people.
For you know, I started.
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I started in this area in 1995.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's a while back.
It's a while back.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
So, to sum up and the end for today, we've got some
wonderful tools.
We hope you take advantage ofthem.
We want to see you experiencethe optimal human experience and
have love and happiness andprosperity and freedom and self
empowerment, self respect, selfesteem and all good things for
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you.
And there you have it, ladies,and gentlemen, this is Dr Joe
and Paul Andrew saying.
We hope you enjoyed ourpresentation and we wish for you
the optimal human experience.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's it, and that's episode 13 of the optimal human
experience podcast with DrJoseph Deruzo.
I'm Paul, andrew, and we'll seeyou next time.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
This has been the optimal human experience podcast
with Dr Joseph Deruzo.
For the latest videos andcourses, visit
OptimalHumanExperiencecom.
Join us next time for theoptimal human experience podcast
with Dr Joseph Deruzo.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
How many of you believe in the universal law of
attraction?
Because if you don't, you'reabout to.
Because for 22 years I neverbelieved in any of that
spiritual mumbo jumbo, until oneday I found a law in the
physical universe.
It's called constructiveinterference, and it says that
when two wavelengths of equallength meet, the size of the
frequency doubles.
What this means is that you canget energy from conversation,
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you can get energy from thepeople around you, or they can
take energy away from you.
And so I started to go downthis spiritual radical and I
found a research project calledthe Spain Scale of Emotion.
Spa and E Researchers were ableto take 25,000 subjects and put
them in a room, and they wereable to measure the frequency
leaving the human body.
And do you know what?
The most powerful frequency toleave the human body is?
(30:30):
The frequency of authenticity.
Authenticity is 4,000 timesmore powerful than love.
Do you know when authenticityhappens?
When your words are truthfuland you believe what you're
saying?
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome.
Welcome to episode 13 of theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul, andrew, and thequestion must arise what are we
going to talk about?
But I'm going to answer it thistime.
(00:45):
Are you ready?
Absolutely, I am ready as I'mgoing to get, I can tell.
I can tell by your reaction ofshaking your head vigorously in
a no manner.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I'm ready.
I'm ready, it's okay.
Yeah, we can talk about it.
Let's talk about congruence.
Let's talk about congruence.
Let's talk about beingcongruent and dynamic and
forceful and centered andpassionate and powerful, and
(01:21):
let's talk about being congruent.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well funny.
You should bring that upbecause, as you might recall,
amir, 12 hours ago or so, I sentyou a video by this fellow,
gary Brecca, and in this videohe claimed to have found the
secret, the hidden secret to thelaw of attraction.
(01:48):
What makes the law ofattraction work?
He said there is a power on theearth, a force of nature, that
is four quadrillion timesstronger than the power of love.
Well, I might be exaggerating.
He said a lot, though.
What do you say?
4,000, 40,000?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Some huge amount, I believe it was 4,000 times more
powerful than love.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Which I want to know who measured that?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
but still, yeah, how do you measure that?
And his whole.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
He made a good point.
Well, let's see, did he made agood point?
If you look at an oscilloscopeand you try and chart out
neurological behavior and etc.
He had a marvelous sine wave onhis oscilloscope and he showed
that if you increase theintensity, the sine wave gets
(02:44):
bigger and stronger and morewonderful.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Are you hearing that?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Are you hearing that the bottom line is being
congruent, having all of yourintention?
You know there's a thousanddifferent ways to talk about
intention, congruence, dynamicetc.
But we can tell people who arenot congruent, who have not
(03:09):
given a full commitment, who arenot really on board.
And in prenatal re-imprintingwe talk about the relevance
criteria.
One of the relevance criteriais physical resources, money,
things like that, and I've metmany people who were incongruent
about money.
(03:29):
Guess what?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm going to guess they had some issues, slash
problems, slash frustrations,slash any number of other terms
around money.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Sometimes they'd have a lot of money, sometimes they
have no money at all.
It would go up and down andsideways, but it was a
consistent theme because thesame brain waves, the same
behavioral patterns, the sameneurological patterns, the same
degree of incongruence waspresent their whole life.
So the first thing we want tobe is congruent when it comes to
(04:04):
our physical resources.
If you are congruent in makingmoney, it will show in your bank
account.
The second one is we want to becongruent in our choice of
significant other.
How many people have you heardsay, oh, I really love my wife,
while they shake their head orthe women will go yeah, I've
(04:28):
been with Harry 20 years andit's been wonderful.
And they'll shake their headand the tone of voice will turn
into a tone not associated withwonderfulness.
Be congruent in your primaryrelationship.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I really, I really, I really love.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Harry, what's amazing is, after Grinder and Bantler
pointed out, that people who arein report tend to use the same
posture, gestures, verbs, nouns,pronouns.
And if you look at people whoare not in report, it is
astonishing the degree to whichthey will not match one
(05:06):
another's external behavior.
One will be sitting down, theother be standing up.
One will be facing left, theother be facing right.
They do not match.
That is incongruence inside ofthe relationship.
So the first thing is to get inrapport by mirroring and
modeling back to people so thatyou're comfortable.
And then you want to becongruent about your
(05:29):
relationship, and it's awonderful thing.
And it is just as horrible tobe in a relationship with
someone where you're just notcongruent and neither are they.
I mean, it's just ghastly.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So we want to be congruent and it sounds like
congruence.
Referring back to this video Isent you, he talks about
constructive interference, whereif you're feeling happy and
you're putting off thosevibrations and then you enter
into a communication withsomeone else who's happy, well
(06:05):
then you can measure that thewave of happiness is bigger than
it was just with you on yourown.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So it reinforces it.
You can see it and I would saythat a man will live
approximately 12 years longer ifhe's married.
I always I kind of took that asa very indicative, very
indicative.
If you have a good primaryrelationship, your lungs, large
intestines, stomachs, lean heart, small intestine bladder,
(06:36):
kidney, gallbladder, liver, allyour internal organs, your
adrenals, your endocrine systemis going to operate at closer to
the optimal human experience.
It is not really.
It's not.
If you look at you knowanthropology, it's not a usual
(06:56):
thing for people to be aloneover long periods of their life.
It's quite common in Westerncivilization but it is not.
It's not the optimal humanexperience.
The optimal human experience isto have someone with whom
you're in rapport, you havecommon ground, you have common
values, you use a lot of thesame external behaviors and you
(07:18):
have rapport and you havecongruence in your relationship.
It's much to be preferred, buta lot of people can't find it
and a lot of people can't createit on their own.
They don't know how to do it.
Our job is to help peopleidentify the optimal human
experience and then engage inthose behaviors, emotions,
(07:38):
perceptions that are going tobring them to the state of
happiness that I believe mankind.
I believe that mankind reallyshould experience much more
happiness than anything else.
Right, right, I think that'sthe natural state.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Okay, so there you talked about congruence with
regard to your resources, withregard to your loving mate Going
through the relevance criteria.
What other areas of congruencemust there be to experience?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
about how?
About allies?
If you are congruent with yourallies, then you're going to
achieve a lot more.
Our friend, andrew Tate, andhis, his, his boys boy, are they
in rapport about finances andmoney and honor and keeping your
(08:31):
word, and it works for them.
It works for them.
So, congruencing your businessrelationships.
I don't do business with peoplethat I don't want to do
business with and I don't wantto do business with people if
they're incongruent.
But if they're congruent it's apleasure, it's an absolute
delight and everybody makes moremoney and your clients do
(08:54):
better and it's just moreproductive.
Overall, congruence in yourbusiness relationships is
absolutely paramount.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, and not just business relationships, but
friendships, extended family, Imean.
There comes a point wherepeople even blood relatives.
It may make more sense todissociate yourself if if
they're not supportive and onthe same page as you and my gosh
(09:27):
.
I've heard rumors that thereare some families that where,
like, people don't even getalong and they're negative.
Have you heard such a thing?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Can you imagine Now, I don't encourage people to stay
in relationships that that arenot productive for them.
However, you know, having saidthat, I think it's important to
try to get in rapport model backexternal behavior, tonality,
voice values, criteria and overthe long term, you can see where
it's not working.
(09:56):
Because you just don't have thesame values Right and it's
tough to be congruent in asituation where you're having
values that are not important toyou Be imposed on on on your
value system.
That just doesn't work verywell.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Right, right.
Well, you can't really get inrapport if, if, if you're that
far apart.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Very, very difficult, very difficult.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So resources, mate, allies, status, status, self
expression.
Hold on, let's talk aboutstatus, because I Well, here's
this example that comes to mindwhen I was in high school, this
(10:46):
kid moved from Indiana down toTexas and he told everybody he
was great at basketball.
He was great at basketball andit was basketball season and he
was coming out for thebasketball team and he was great
at basketball.
He was going to show us howpeople play basketball down here
(11:06):
in Texas, because in Indianabasketball is the thing, man,
and so I'm going to show youguys how to play basketball.
And he kind of had.
He built for himself a highlevel of status right up to the
point that he got out on thecourt and his speech and his
(11:31):
level of pomposity was notbacked up by his skill set, and
he made it through half of onepractice before he was like oh
man, I'm really not that good.
Oh dear, oh dear.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You know, I'll turn on some of these shows and the
young men will ask the womenwhat's important to you in a, in
a suitor, and then they'll say,is confidence important?
And the girls will go yeah, theconfidence is important.
Well, my question is is allright at the ripe old age of 22.
What skill sets have youdeveloped that you can say you
(12:12):
should deservedly be confident?
I mean, anybody can strutaround and look like they're
being confident.
Okay, when you can be confidentbecause you can actually do
something, that to me is much tobe preferred.
But you know different story.
So you're.
You're a guy who had there, whoplayed basketball.
He was confident until he hadto get out on the floor.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, so he had to actually, you know, put up or
shut up and what.
He just kind of put his headdown and walked back to the
locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know, this thing about status is really very
interesting.
I believe that status isconferred in the prenatal period
and I'll give you an example.
I am Dr Joe Duruzzo, dr Joe'sVander Duruzzo, and when I go
into a room, our mutual friendDr Ross Stewart said to me one
time boy, you know, when youwalk into a room, it's really
(13:06):
obvious that you know what theheck you're talking about.
You know, when I walk into aroom, it doesn't matter where it
is, I always have a certainlevel of status.
Why, where did that come from?
Where did I feel that degree ofstatus?
for the very first time, thevery first time.
(13:27):
The answer would never Donnaknew in a million years.
So I'll just give it to you.
My father went off to fight inWorld War II.
He joined the Navy, became agunnery instructor and my little
Italian grandmother thought hehung the moon.
Then, when they defeated Hitlerand Tojo and Mussolini and they
(13:48):
came back, my grandmotherthought he had hung not only the
moon but the stars as well.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So and there's a lot of stars.
That's a lot of work.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
There's a lot of stars.
When my mother was pregnantwith me, my grandmother looked
at me and she was so proud.
And what did?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I get out of that.
Wow, you got the status ofsomeone who very much believes
that he hung the moon and allthe stars.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You know I didn't do a thing for it.
You're a legend in your ownmind.
You've known me for 15, 20years.
What happens when I walk intothe, into a room, in terms of
status?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well, people, you know they pay attention.
I got, I got to admit, nomatter, I mean, if I'm, even if
I'm, like you know, blowingspitballs at you or you know
don't matter doing a you knowthe old trip, the trip and fall
is.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You know, it doesn't matter, you hung the moon,
that's I walk into a room and Idon't do anything except be me
and I have a certain amount ofstatus.
When we eventually go to thegroup that meets and talks about
prenatal psychology, I'll walkinto the room and talk about
prenatal re imprinting and theneurology behind it.
(15:01):
What kind of status do youthink I'm going to have there?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, probably just like you did in all those group
sessions where it was remarkable, yeah so remarkable status.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
One of these, one of these days, we're going to put
together a program for peoplewho would like to have more
status and would like to have itjust spontaneously be their
experience Well and it's, that'sthe fascinating thing about
your technology.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Just allow me to, you know, increase your status a
little bit here, if nowhere, butin your own mind, the fact that
, using your technology, one caninstall the same type of
experience that you had withyour grandmother, who imprinted
(15:50):
on you before you were born.
This, this impression in thisfeeling of, hey, I hung the moon
, I hung.
Well, wait, not just the moon,but the stars too.
My gosh, I really have donesomething here.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
When I walk into a room and I mean I'm not saying
you know, I'm saying reallyeveryone can have a significant
increase in their status in avery good way in a way that
favorably impacts other people,makes it easier to have
relationships, makes you feelstronger as a human being, and
it's genuine and sincere andcomes from the paleocortical
(16:28):
structures of the deep reptilianlower parts of the brain the
amygdala, the lenticular, thelenticular nucleus, the
hypothalamus, the brainstem.
All of those.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, and also from my experience with you and you
entering rooms that sort ofthing.
It's not.
There are some people that thathave status at the expense of
others.
That's not the case with you.
It's you, you have status in aroom and it's, it's uplifting to
(17:02):
the people that are there.
It's, it's kind of weird,really, but it's, it's
fascinating.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Well, big part of it is.
I intend to make a contributionto their life, and it's the
same feeling that my littleItalian grandmother had when my
father came home and he had wonthe war and he and his buddies
in the Army, navy, air Force,marines had made a significant
contribution to her life and thelives of everyone in America
(17:31):
and the world and the world.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, we're a little bit past halfway.
I just want to mention realquickly that if you like what
you're hearing or you want tolearn more about Dr Joe and his
programs and his, his teaching,we have a website,
OptimalHumanExperiencecom.
That'sOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
You can get on a mailing listand get a course through email.
(17:58):
That's free.
There's a bunch of videos.
There's links to all theprevious podcasts,
OptimalHumanExperiencecom.
Okay, so we've been through.
We just finished.
I don't know if we finished.
Is there more about status andcongruence?
What do you want to move?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
on.
There's, there's more regardingprenatal re-imprinting and the
relevance criteria, that's forsure.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Okay, so after status , what would be the next area to
have the congruence?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You hit on something the installation of patterns.
You've got your frontal orbitalprojection, you got your
temporal lobes, you got yourparietal lobes, but deep inside
you've got all these reallyphylogenetically old, old, old
structures, sometimes referredto as the reptilian brain.
(18:44):
And that's really where youwant to be operating when you
put a person, when a person putstheir head down and the axis
between the external auditorymeadus or earhole the earhole
and your corner of your eye.
once that goes below thehorizontal, then you get into
(19:06):
programming the paleocortex andit works like a charm.
And it works like a charm everytime.
It is one of the most powerfulthings that I've ever seen and,
characteristically, a lot ofdifferent religions they will
have people put their head downand pray.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Well, I hadn't really put that together after
listening to you for 250 years.
Yeah, yeah, that's you.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Bow your heads, let's bow your heads and give thanks
and pray, and everybodyuniversally feels better if they
bow their head and give thanks.
Very powerful tool.
So when we talk about statusand allies and freedom, self
expression resources, lovingmate, domicile, all of those
(19:58):
relevance categories, you'regoing to want to install in the
prenatal posture as much goodfeeling as you can have, and
when you're not installing it,with your head down, you can
have your eyes moving back andforth in the creativity
technology.
A mutual friend of ours, randyKelton, told me yesterday that
(20:23):
he was studying the video tapesof a genius whose IQ had been
recorded as something over 200.
Well, I've been told thatanything after 150, the
recording, the analysis, isreally kind of meaningless.
I mean, they're just extra,extra, extra smart.
Yeah, and Randy said he watchedthis man who was not
(20:44):
particularly happy, but hewatched the man move his eyes
left, right, left right, leftright, left right, and as he
moved down the visual field hesaid, dr Joe, it's exactly what
you described in the creativity,whole brain, creativity
technology.
So the optimal human experienceis having wonderful prenatal
(21:05):
patterns and the optimal humanexperience also includes
wonderful rapport skills,naturally occurring rapport
skills, and it also includes thecreativity technology, the use
of your whole brain to make yourlife as much fun and enjoyment
and productive and happy andsatisfying as you can possibly
(21:26):
make it.
That's what we're all about.
That's what the optimal humanexperience is designed to do.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, and the creativity technology is also
fascinating.
I remember the first time youtold me about it.
To recount that, do youremember what you told me about?
Because you put yourself in asituation and for I don't know
how many days was it that you?
(21:55):
What did you do?
How did you develop this?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Well, there was a perfected there was a book
called Tools for Dreamers byRobert Diltz and in it he talks
about Leonardo da Vinci'screativity strategy and Albert
Einstein visualized what itwould be like to be on the
sitting on the end of a beam oflight as it went out into the
(22:20):
universe and creativity and thecreativity of Jesus of Nazareth.
And he was operating at thelevel of strategies in NLP and I
looked at it and I said what hesays here is that there are
certain strategies that turn onvarious parts of the brain and
my conjecture was hey, what ifwe turn on the whole brain and
(22:45):
not just parts of it?
So I sat and I did a meditationin a dark room for three days
and I call it the three days ofdarkness.
I just sat there and moved myhead, my eyes left and right,
left and right, left and right,left and right, left and right,
and when I found that there werecertain sticky spots and what I
(23:08):
conjectured was that those werescotomas or areas of my brain
where there was some somethingthat not fluid, and I just
practiced and practiced, andpracticed until I could go down
the entire visual field, movingmy eyes from left and right,
left and right, left and right.
After that experience, afterthree days of darkness, working
(23:30):
on my creativity, I was socreative I mean, it was brand
new for me and I would askpeople do you have any problems?
Right, as my you know myclients, do you have any
problems?
And they say, oh yeah.
I said, oh good, wonderful,they would give us something to
work on.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Lay it on me.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So the three days of darkness, the whole brain,
creativity technology, coupledwith prenatal re-imprinting,
coupled with all these wonderful, wonderful tools they're just.
It gives you something trulyremarkable, which you and I have
identified as the optimal humanexperience.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And so with the creativity technology it wasn't
a matter of just kind ofrandomly.
Well, I guess it was.
But when you say through thewhole visual field, when you
look up to the left and right,that is down a little bit left
and right, left and right downand yeah.
And then down more, and each oneof those is targeting a
(24:34):
different part of the brain andhow the brain thinks and what
the brain thinks like up isvisual and and looking down is
feeling, looking, lookinglooking in the middle is
sometimes referred to astelephone postures Did you ever
see a person sit in front of youand put their hand next to
their cheek, and that's atelephone posture, that's
(24:57):
auditory access.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
And then all the way down, mostly down to the right,
that's kinesthetic or feeling.
I have an interesting storyabout that.
I had a fellow come in.
He was suffering fromdepression and he was on anti
depressants.
Now, by definition, ananti-depressant is going to work
on the part of the brain thatfeels depressed.
Right, you think so.
(25:20):
He walks in and sits down.
I say what's what's going onfor you?
And he says I'm depressed.
He looks right at me anddoesn't move his eyes the up,
down, left or right.
I said what's it feel like tobe depressed?
And he said well, I think itfeels awful.
Well, he didn't really knowbecause he wasn't accessing the
downright visual field which ischaracteristic for a normally
(25:42):
organized right handedindividual.
They will look down to theright if you talk to them about
something that they have felt, afeeling or emotion, whatever.
Did I ever tell you when I cameto call that that down into the
right for people who have whatDave Dobson called feelings out
of awareness or kinesthesia outof awareness?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
No, what did you call ?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
that in Saudi Arabia there's one part of the Saudi
Arabian Peninsula that is deadly.
It is hot, dry.
If you go there, you're going,without question, you're going
to die.
What do they call it, I don'tknow.
They call it the forbiddenquarter.
I would watch a person who hadbeen so traumatized that they
(26:29):
could not access feelings.
They never looked down into theright and I would say, oh, they
cannot go into the forbiddenquarter.
Those feelings that are thereare so horrible.
So here's this guy and he saysI say, how do you feel when
you're depressed?
He says, well, I think it's notgood.
(26:50):
And I said, well, what do yourfamily and friends tell you?
And they say, well, apparentlythat's not good either.
And okay, I said, well, allright.
So there we have an interestingconfirmation.
Here's a person taking drugsthat stop his brain, the part
that feels, and so he will notlook down into the right Right.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Whoa.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I had a woman whose wife was utterly in shambles.
Life was horrible and I lookedat her.
She never looked up into theright Guess what was wrong with
her life.
She couldn't plan, she couldnot see anything in the future.
She could not plan in the future.
Well, I anchored for her thefeeling of not being able to
(27:36):
think about the future and I hadher put herself in the prenatal
position, took it back and Isaid what's going on?
She said my mother hates myfather and he's coming home from
work for dinner and she doesn'twant to even think about it.
I said well, what did you getout of that?
She said I don't want to thinkabout the future.
(27:59):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Because, it's too horrible to even think about, so
I'm just not going to thinkabout it.
Don't go there.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
The thing about all of this material inside of the
optimal human experience is itdraws all of the things that
you've wondered about and makesthem make perfect sense I mean
perfect logical sense over and,over and over again.
And it's held my fascinationand the fascination of many
people.
For you know, I started.
(28:27):
I started in this area in 1995.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's a while back.
It's a while back.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
So, to sum up and the end for today, we've got some
wonderful tools.
We hope you take advantage ofthem.
We want to see you experiencethe optimal human experience and
have love and happiness andprosperity and freedom and self
empowerment, self respect, selfesteem and all good things for
(28:58):
you.
And there you have it, ladies,and gentlemen, this is Dr Joe
and Paul Andrew saying.
We hope you enjoyed ourpresentation and we wish for you
the optimal human experience.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's it, and that's episode 13 of the optimal human
experience podcast with DrJoseph Deruzo.
I'm Paul, andrew, and we'll seeyou next time.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
This has been the optimal human experience podcast
with Dr Joseph Deruzo.
For the latest videos andcourses, visit
OptimalHumanExperiencecom.
Join us next time for theoptimal human experience podcast
with Dr Joseph Deruzo.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
How many of you believe in the universal law of
attraction?
Because if you don't, you'reabout to.
Because for 22 years I neverbelieved in any of that
spiritual mumbo jumbo, until oneday I found a law in the
physical universe.
It's called constructiveinterference, and it says that
when two wavelengths of equallength meet, the size of the
frequency doubles.
What this means is that you canget energy from conversation,
(30:08):
you can get energy from thepeople around you, or they can
take energy away from you.
And so I started to go downthis spiritual radical and I
found a research project calledthe Spain Scale of Emotion.
Spa and E Researchers were ableto take 25,000 subjects and put
them in a room, and they wereable to measure the frequency
leaving the human body.
And do you know what?
The most powerful frequency toleave the human body is?
(30:30):
The frequency of authenticity.
Authenticity is 4,000 timesmore powerful than love.
Do you know when authenticityhappens?
When your words are truthfuland you believe what you're
saying?
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