November 30, 2023 • 33 mins
Imagine having the power to shape your personal experiences to achieve the optimal human existence. This episode will significantly alter your perspective on this possibility. Dr. Joseph DiRuzzo, guides us on a journey that unearths some profound truths about human wellbeing, relationships and prenatal influences on our behaviour.
Buckle up as we delve into the significance of being in rapport, especially in our primary relationships, for maintaining good health. This episode gives you a front-row seat to an enlightening discussion on Rapport Deprivation Sickness - a concept that connects stressor of all forms, from mental to thermal, to illness and disease. We also tread on the intriguing territory of Prenatal Reimprinting (PNRI), revealing how our earliest experiences in the womb can shape our personality and behavior for the rest of our lives. A unique narrative about a couple's transformation through a guided fantasy exercise offers a compelling demonstration of these concepts.
Our journey doesn't end here, as we explore strategies for changing set points and tuning our experiences to their optimum. Dr. Diruzzo shares methods on how to harness our prenatal experiences to reshape our reference structures and impact our level of happiness in life. Expect a deep dive into a conversation about the importance of rapport, love, and creating a positive environment for growth. We wind down with some candid talks about acknowledging our own mistakes and feeling the occasional mortification. Join us for this introspective journey into the Optimal Human Experience™, and let's start turning your life's potential into a reality together!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to episode 14 of the Optimal Human Experience
Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul, andrew, and todaywe're going to talk about a
bunch of stuff.
We were talking earlier aboutthe pursuit of happiness.
(00:47):
You had some insights which,quite frankly, I need some
minerals.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What a sad thing really.
It makes me angry that thingsare so sad.
I get depressed and I'mskeptical that it will ever get
better and I'm full of grief,but every once in a while there
will be a pathological chuckle.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
In my experience, In the midst of your misery, in the
midst of misery.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I thought of a good term to use regarding the fact
that men and women have beenweaponized and they're so
profoundly out of report.
You know what we can call thisepisode?
What can we call it?
The War of the Roses?
How's that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I think that's been done.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I was going into Kroger yesterday with my friend
Feather whose actual name isHeather, but I call her Feather
and there was this black dudewho was coming out the door when
I was going in the door and hehad a handful of really
beautiful roses and I said heyman, what you going to do with
(02:07):
those roses?
He said I'm going to give themto my girl.
I said I want you to knock thatoff.
You make the rest of us lookbad.
I mean, you know I didn't haveany intention to get roses.
He said you need to give someroses to that girl.
And for a moment, there we were, for a brief shining moment.
We were all three of us inrapport.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
In rapport.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
In rapport.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
In rapport Because Feather was imagining the
prospect of someone, anyone,giving her roses, a whole bunch
of beautiful roses.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, so the concept of rapport deprivation sickness
which has haunted me for years.
I had a woman come in when Iwas in private practice
practicing privately, and shehad migraine headaches that's
the name.
And she said I have migraineheadaches.
And I said, all right, my greenheadaches are usually
(03:03):
associated with improper livergallbladder function in Chinese
medicine.
So we give her a littleacupuncture and she started to
look better and feel betterimmediately, turn pink, started
to smile.
I said how are you doing?
She said I feel better.
I said, okay, I'll see you in aweek.
She came back a week later shehad migraine headaches again and
I said, okay, now, associatedwith liver gallbladder function
(03:25):
in Chinese medicine is the colorgreen, and if you ever seen a
person who's really sick, theyhave different colors.
But she was as green as aChristmas tree and so gave her a
little acupuncture.
She felt better.
I sent her home.
See, in a week she came backand with liver gallbladder
function, you'll see oftenshouting.
You ever hear that, see, adrunk would damage their liver
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and they shout.
They're loud and belligerent,what do you mean?
And they're angry.
So you have green as the color,emotion is anger, the sound is
shouting and you know.
I said to her is there anythingin your life that's making you
angry, upsetting you?
She said no, I'm going througha divorce, but other than that
(04:11):
everything's fine.
I said really.
So this concept of report,deprivation sickness, when you
have stress, whether it's mental, emotional, chemical, in terms
of bad food or exposure toadverse chemical, physical,
walking around on hard floorslike a nurse, might you know,
walk on hard floors for an eighthour shift and thermal, if
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people are exposed to cold,they'll say why.
I went out and I got, I gotcold and then the next day I was
sick, I didn't feel good.
So you usually see some kind ofstress before people come down
with an illness.
But this concept of report,deprivation sickness, when
people are out of rapport,especially in their primary
(04:55):
relationship, then you'll have adisturbance or problem over
time.
The stuff doesn't happen likebingo over time.
Lungs, large intestines,stomach, spleen, heart, small
intestine bladder, kidney,gallbladder, liver, thyroid,
adrenals, pituitary and gonads,you've got 14 major organ
systems or major meridiansystems and there's there's a
(05:17):
problem.
If a person is fighting withtheir spouse?
What happens to the rate oftransit through the digestive
system?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I got to think.
I got to think it's like it'sright in the same line as fight
or flight.
You ain't worried aboutdigesting your food, You're
worried about surviving.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And so the digestive system slows down.
There's improper deamination ofamino acids and the colon
retains waste products.
And those retained waste, thoseretained metabolites,
contribute to cancer, the colonand other kinds of illnesses.
So this concept of being inrapport is absolutely critical.
(06:02):
When is rapport, deprivationand sickness installed as a
formal pattern for many people?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Gosh, if I had to guess, you mean for the very
first time.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
When did they feel like that for the very first
time?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, given that, as we've discussed before, any
emotion that you feel currently,you had to feel for the very
first time, and for most, if notall, people, that very first
time was during the prenatalperiod.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Exactly, there was a sonogram video of a baby in the
womb and mom and dad werefighting and they were yelling
at each other and with everyshouted word the sonogram showed
this little baby jumping in thewomb and it was the startle
(07:00):
reflex.
Do you know what the startlereflex is in infants?
Do I know what it is?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, Were they where they'll jump yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, a door closes and they'll jump.
I've worked with people who hadstartle reflex installed in
them before they were born andthey would be like 50 years old
and guess what they still had.
They're still stuck in astartle reflex.
And if you do the ageregression back to the prenatal
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period and find mom and dad arefighting and they're just stuck
in the startle reflex needlessto say, you probably know
somebody like that.
Needless to say, that is not agood place to live your life
from.
That is not the optimal humanexperience.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
When we talk about a permanent, ongoing, long-lasting
feeling of happiness, you'retalking about glucose at the
proper milligram percent, uricacid in a very little, small
amount, bile salts, hydrochloricacid, all the rest of the
hormones, enzymes, antibodies,all of the lab values,
(08:23):
everything being in within avery normal range and that's the
optimal range.
So I took this program indiagnosis and internal diseases
and really the centerpiece atleast of one part of it was the
idea that there are norms in labvalues.
(08:43):
But as people have gottensicker over the years, guess
what they did with the norms?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, oh, you know what, there's too many people
that are outside.
Let's widen that a bit.
Widen the norms.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's to be reasonable .
So the norms are widelyexpanded, right, and they taught
us to take a look at what'sclose to pathology either too
high or close to pathology, toolow.
And you have somebody who's inthe normal range, or what's
called normal, and they'realmost in pathology on four,
(09:19):
five, six different lab values.
Guess what?
You've got somebody who'shorribly ill and nobody can
figure out what's wrong withthem.
They're doctors who basicallygot the same physiology.
He looks at their lab valuesand goes well, this is within
normal and this is within normaland this is no, they're not,
this is not normal.
It may say normal, it's notnormal.
(09:41):
And so what?
You adjust things using dietand exercise, et cetera, and
vitamins, minerals, so on and soforth, so that they're more
toward the center and that ismore toward the optimal human
experience, and they all getwell.
But if they go the standardmedical route, chances are good
(10:01):
they're going to be sick forever.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, you get a drug for that symptom and then, of
course, it has side effectswhich create more symptoms, and
so you get a drug for thesymptom of the side effect from
the drug to treat the symptomthat you started with.
I had a client who gosh she wason 15 different different
(10:28):
pharmaceuticals and the majorityof them were to treat side
effects from one or two of theseother drugs that she was taken.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I always marveled at the psychoactive drugs.
I mean, suppose somebody'sterribly depressed, and you know
they, for whatever reason.
How do they figure out aspecific drug would do anything
to that depression?
I mean, do they like look atthe molecular structure of it
and say, oh, maybe this will fitin there, or do they just hand
them some drugs and say here,take these and tell me how you
(11:01):
feel?
I mean, what was the processwhereby they was identified?
That you were better off onThorazine?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, here's an anecdote, which we all know how
valuable anecdotes are.
It's double blind testedanecdote.
I met this woman who was asales rep for a pharmaceutical
company for many years beforeshe quit and discussed, and
(11:32):
essentially she explained thatthe process for coming up with a
new drug and getting it out onthe market is they had these
scientists back in the labcreating drugs and then they'd
give it to animals or people andsee what it did and then go hmm
, okay, it makes your legs notyou know jump around as much.
(11:56):
So what could that be?
Okay, so then they would createa syndrome that the drug would
treat and then go push that, sothat the restless leg syndrome
thing was an outcropping of thisdrug that was developed.
That, you know, seemed to makepeople's legs not you know jump
around as much, and so they havea new syndrome and a new drug
(12:17):
to treat it, and a billiondollars, Thank you.
A billion dollars, oh, huge.
I don't know, I'm exaggerating.
It's an anecdote.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I can say whatever you want you are always
exaggerating, but I mean thepoint is well taken.
It's like you know, and myacupuncture teacher used to say
you know, 30 years, 40 years,the weird things that you people
have been doing.
A five year study is nothingRight, you know.
You have a study that goes overa couple of hundred years and
(12:48):
you start to get an indicator,but, as far as I can tell,
Mother Nature replicates most,if not all, of what it is that
we need.
Having said that, though, youknow we have people who've been
living their entire life onrefined carbohydrates and and
food called food dining five andfood dining number two.
(13:09):
They're a different animal,they really.
There are times when,especially antibiotics are very,
very necessary, very important.
But to get back to the optimalhuman experience, if your mom
and dad are in rapport, and thatin that intense toward the
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optimal blood, blood chemistry,then you'll have people who are
characteristically happier.
That's my observation.
I haven't done double blindpeer reviewed studies, but in
this kind of makes sense.
We don't live our lives ondouble blind peer reviewed
studies.
We live our lives on what makescommon sense and this concept
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of rapport, deprivation,sickness.
By it.
It's very powerful.
People need to start getting inrapport with the people around
them, and sometimes that's adifficult task, but with time
and patience.
And guess who the mostimportant person to get in
rapport with in your life is?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I'm thinking the guy that brings the paper, but I
could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
The blonde down the blonde two doors over.
No, paul, the most important tobegin to person to get in
rapport with for you is you, youyourself you.
You have to start getting happyand you have to start getting
rapport with yourself.
I one time had a girlfriend.
(14:41):
She was from Quebec, france, orQuebec, canada.
She spoke French and I'm fromFrance.
She was kind of classy, but shewasn't very happy and she was
kind of physically she wasn't.
She wasn't all that healthy,and so I used to keep her amused
by telling her jokes andtelling her how beautiful she
was and I would, you know, danceand do a little tap dancing.
(15:04):
As long as I danced and she wasdistracted, we were fine.
Well, one day I just said I'mnot going to do this anymore,
I'm not going to be unpleasant,I'm not going to be rude, I'm
just not going to jump up anddown and you know, do sparklers.
And that went on for like halfan hour and she turned me and
said you know, I think your,your problem is you're just not
(15:25):
happy with yourself.
Is it really Really?
Well, I guess you should knowthat was pretty much the end of
that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
She was wanting a dinner and a floor show and you
cut off the floor show and itwas over.
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We were talking earlier aboutthis pursuit of happiness and
discussed the physiologicalaspects of hey, what if you ate
good food and healthy food?
But then again, where?
Tell me, if you agree, is thisa good place to go over where
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those initial feelings come fromfor the very first time, the
initial dogma?
And when you were talking abouthaving healthy food and going
back to nature, I was remindedof a story you've told a couple
of times about that couple whohad come to one of your
(17:00):
presentations, one of yourpublic presentations, and they
talked like this and they saidboy, this is interesting and
people need to hear that oneagain because you talk about
having good food, but in thiscase, what do they call it when
you reveal the hidden secret?
(17:22):
Any epiphany, spoiler alert.
Sometimes just the mereconstruct of good nutrition can
make a difference.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So what is astonishing is when you work
with prenatal re-imprinting.
Well, let's do the formal dogmaprenatal re-imprinting A sperm
meets an unfertilized egg.
They come together, make afertilized ovum, an ovum that
divides into two cells, fourcells, eight cells, 16 cells.
Then, when it reaches the 32cell stage, it forms a ball
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called the blastula.
At that point the inner cellmass of the blastula begins to
spread out rostrally andcaudally toward that and toward
the feet and immediately formsthe neural plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the human body is nervous
tissue, and at this pointpersonality structure begins to
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be laid down as a series ofsimple Pavlovian stimulus
response reflexes.
And all of the problems thatpeople have in life, without
exception, are the end resultsof maladaptive reflexes
established in the prenatalperiod under conditions of
maternal and or fetal distress.
Okay, that's our formal dogma.
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By the way, do you know howmany spontaneous abortions there
are, Spontaneous miscarriagesthere?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
are Gosh, you talked about that before I was some
huge percentage.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's like 70%, yeah, so I mean it's just a huge
number.
All anxiety is what I mentioned, this to you All anxiety is oh
separation anxiety.
Yeah, and so you have thislittle ball of cells coming down
the fallopian tubes and downthe uterus and it's trying to
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get implanted into the, into theuterine wall, and if the
chemistry is not right, therewon't be an adequate
electromagnetic attractionbetween the embryo and the wall
of the uterus and it'll start toimplant and then it goes and it
goes over here.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Okay and hold on.
And so at that point, at thatpoint in development there is,
the neural plate has alreadystarted, when the that's a
fascinating question.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
There are people who will contend that consciousness
occurs at the moment that spermand egg come together and give
off a little flash of light.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Light yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So, no matter what you say, it's like this general
timeframe.
Remember, I said to you youused to do financial planning.
I said what do people fear most?
And you said loss of theircapital.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah.
And when people are separatedfrom their money.
Yeah, separation anxiety,absolutely.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And people will say well, get in divorce and the
kids are going with my wife.
They're being what Separated?
Separated from their kids.
Yeah, all anxiety is separationanxiety.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Wow, is that weird?
Yeah, yeah, kind of is.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
So the question that you're talking about, these
people, you know your centralnerve axis begins being
developed very early inembryonic territory, in
embryonic.
And so my I had an aunt namedDaras and she was married to my
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uncle, sandy, and they talkedlike this and it was Dar esby,
quiet, oh, sandy.
I'm just telling what my son ofthe start it was like.
It was like nails on achalkboard all the time Right,
it was horrible.
And where and where did theygrow up?
(21:24):
When were they prenatal?
During the great depression,and my mother used to tell me
stories about they would havepeanut butter that they had to
stir the oil in.
It would separate.
They had to stir it and theywould put it on hard bread and
they would have bread and peanutbutter and coffee.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh yeah, Well, he is three of the main food groups.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And so, as far as I could tell and this is pure
conjecture, but every time I acton these pure conjectures, they
seem to work just fine.
So they, this couple, I was inHouston.
They had the bread, peanutbutter and coffee.
Voice and Joe, how are youdoing?
It's horrible.
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They said we want a session.
So we did a session with themand I said imagine your mother
goes out on a nice beautiful day, takes a bowl full of
blueberries and heavy cream forthe essential amino or fatty
acids, and I had them put theirheads down in the prenatal
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position and have that as aguided fantasy.
And after they sat there andshook and convulsed and squirmed
and shuddered, and after about15 minutes they put their heads
up and the man turned to hiswife and said my goodness dear,
that was really a remarkable andinteresting experience.
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How are you?
And she said well darling, I'mjust fine.
And that certainly wasdifferent, Wasn't it now?
And I just about fell out ofthe chair.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And so they went from hey, let's do some of this here
thing this fella is talkingabout.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
There was a whole this is fantastic.
Holy, holy, unrehearsed.
But the one of the concept orone of the patterns in prenatal
re-impering with which you'refamiliar is the concept of the
umbilical cord being kinged orcurled or something like that.
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So physiology and psychologyare the front and back of the
same thing.
The only thing is you have tohave the discernment to identify
what you're working with.
People would come into me andthey say I feel like I sabotaged
myself, I feel like I should goand do something, but then I
hold back.
I feel like I you know I can dothis.
But then I I defeat myself andI say, all right, put your head
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down and go into the prenataltrance and wait a minute until
they get into that.
And I'll say, all right, what'sthe condition of your umbilical
cord?
And they go what?
And I go look at your umbilicalcord, who's umbilical cord is
it anyway?
And they go well, it's mine, Igo well good look at it, tell me
what's going on, you can look Imean it's all a guided pain.
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I see, anyway, they look at meand they say what's kinked?
And I said what's the feelingyou get?
They go.
Well, the feeling is, if I move, it'll kink.
And then I'll be caught off andit'll kill me.
And I'll say is that thefeeling you get when you hold
yourself back?
Is it that feeling?
Is it another feeling?
Is it a parallel feeling, is ita different feeling?
And they go.
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Oh, my goodness, it's the exactsame feeling.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And there it is, the initial imprinting experience
happened during that period oftime, as this little tiny what
do they call it?
Oh, it's just a clump of cellsthis little tiny clump of cells,
in that emotion, that feelingis recapitulated over and over
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and over and over for decadesand decades and decades.
That's their life.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
It may very well be a defining moment in their life.
So what I do frequently is Igive them a reference structure
of being in control.
I'll say can you turn up thevolume on your radio?
They go, yeah, I'll go, putyour hand out and turn up the
volume.
Now put their hand out and Iwant to anchor the feeling of
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being in control and I'll say,okay, go back to this mental
image that you have of yourumbilical cord being crooked and
straighten it out.
They go why can't straighten itout?
I'll say, well, whose umbilicalcord is it?
Anyways, they go well, it'smine.
They go well, put your hand outand straighten it out as you
adjust the sound and get thefeeling you can do this.
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This is balance to you Right?
They straighten it out and youget a different person.
You get a different human beingwith a different neuro
psychiatric history.
Isn't?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
that, just like the couple who I mean the fact that
they did this meditation for afew minutes and twisted and
jerked and they're just sittingthere imagining as you guide
them through this.
Yeah well, and then they comeup and go.
Well, they still ate the peanutbutter and the coffee.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Right, they didn't change, changing physiologic set
points.
You want to change thefrequency and amplitude of
firing in the central, in thecentral neoxys, so you can
adjust.
You want to change the setpoint so that they no longer
have a sense of irritation.
Are you familiar with the senseof irritation?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, no, I've never had.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, I was for you personally you went through a
brief, brief prenatal experienceand you learned that you had a
lot of irritation.
What happened the other side?
Well, you get out of it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, I mean, I've told this story before.
It was the first time I went tothe one of your presentations,
gosh, 263 years ago, right aboutthe time Biden was elected to
the Senate, as I recall and Ijust watched someone else in the
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room have this experience.
That was unbelievable.
And then you look at me and yougo.
You know you look like you'reirritated, you ever feel
irritated and I'm like all theeffin time.
Yeah, yes, I do.
And you had me go into theprenat you expect laying going
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to the prenatal position, putyour head down and you walk me
through this guided fantasy and,much like you, had the other
fellow reach out and untwist hiscord and straighten it out.
You had me clean out theamniotic fluid, which apparently
was kind of irritating, and Icame out of that.
That guided fantasy lifted myhead up and it was the first
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time in my life that I hadexperienced what it was like not
to be irritated.
It was.
It was the weirdest thing youcan imagine, because I I did.
I never knew what it felt likenot to be irritated, because I'd
just been irritated all thetime.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And it's a set point phenomena.
Yeah, when you're in the womband your mother you know
something that it causes eithera physiologic or a psychological
set point to be set,established.
That will be like yourreference structure and that's
what people go to and that's whythe prenatal re-imprinting
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technology is so profound.
Yeah, I mean, it just changesthings right from the physiology
on up.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Well, and when you?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
talk about.
When you talk about peoplebeing happy, I had a fellow who
came to me and he wasn't unhappyat all.
I can't even remember.
You know, people come to mebecause they've heard I do
something different.
So I said, you know, put yourhead down and what's going on?
It was, oddly enough, he was inIsrael and people were shooting
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and so on and so forth, and Isaid, well, are you upset?
And he said, well, it's not allthat pleasant, but I'm okay.
I said, well, what's going onthat makes you okay?
He said, well, mom and dad aretight, mom and dad love each
other and they're hanging on toeach other and they're there for
each other and I'm okay, I'mokay.
And he was not very far fromthe optimal human experience in
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terms of blood chemistry andphysiology.
Wow Right, mom and dad were inrapport.
They were in a war zone,there's guns going off, but they
were in rapport and they lovedeach other.
And that was not a profoundlyunperson, unhappy person, not at
all.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, yeah, he got the.
He got much closer to theoptimal human experience from
the get go, as opposed to otherother people me, with my
irritation, and this other guywould.
I can't do anything.
He's got a kink and umbilicalcord Unbelievable.
That is our time for episode 14of the optimal human experience
(30:25):
podcast with Dr Joe Deruzo.
I'm Paul, andrew and, okay,this is a good one, dang.
I had some other stuff to talkabout.
I guess we'll have to doanother day.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
We'll do it again.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
All right, we'll see you next time.
Take care.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
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Speaker 2 (31:00):
Hey, um, hey, young man, how you doing so?
I'm just picturing this couplethat never ceases to give me a
chuckle when I think about thecouple with the peanut butter
and the coffee and the littlebit of depression.
(31:20):
And hey, hey, this hammus isfishing.
Unbelievable in their role fora darling, isn't it so fantastic
.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
How logically consistent is all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Well, you know, it seems impossible.
Well, because it's never beendouble balling tested, of course
, but then by gosh when youexperience it you go.
Well, okay, you know, you know,that's it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's it, live on stage.
I told you what I did to RandyKelton regarding Reasoning right
.
I don't know.
He prides himself on beingreasonably well educated.
He does live on law and he'sgot his own talk show oh, yeah,
yeah, very much so.
And so he said to me this freeneedle, re-imprinting, how did
(32:15):
you figure that out?
And I said to him, in thestandard English, just threshold
arrogance, right, like if I'mtalking like this, I'm not
arrogant.
If I move my nose up just ahair, what happens?
Just a tad, just a tad.
I said to him well, it was anexercise in pure Reasoning.
You have read Emmanuel Kant, acritique of pure Reasoning, 1787
(32:40):
, of course, correct.
He said.
Well, you know, you haven'tread Emmanuel Kant, you have
Kant, I've read Kant.
And I mortified him justslightly, not too much, but one
must be mortified from time totime if one feels inadequate.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Well, especially if you're born, as I have errors
about one's own.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to episode 14 of the Optimal Human Experience
Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul, andrew, and todaywe're going to talk about a
bunch of stuff.
We were talking earlier aboutthe pursuit of happiness.
(00:47):
You had some insights which,quite frankly, I need some
minerals.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What a sad thing really.
It makes me angry that thingsare so sad.
I get depressed and I'mskeptical that it will ever get
better and I'm full of grief,but every once in a while there
will be a pathological chuckle.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
In my experience, In the midst of your misery, in the
midst of misery.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I thought of a good term to use regarding the fact
that men and women have beenweaponized and they're so
profoundly out of report.
You know what we can call thisepisode?
What can we call it?
The War of the Roses?
How's that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I think that's been done.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I was going into Kroger yesterday with my friend
Feather whose actual name isHeather, but I call her Feather
and there was this black dudewho was coming out the door when
I was going in the door and hehad a handful of really
beautiful roses and I said heyman, what you going to do with
(02:07):
those roses?
He said I'm going to give themto my girl.
I said I want you to knock thatoff.
You make the rest of us lookbad.
I mean, you know I didn't haveany intention to get roses.
He said you need to give someroses to that girl.
And for a moment, there we were, for a brief shining moment.
We were all three of us inrapport.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
In rapport.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
In rapport.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
In rapport Because Feather was imagining the
prospect of someone, anyone,giving her roses, a whole bunch
of beautiful roses.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, so the concept of rapport deprivation sickness
which has haunted me for years.
I had a woman come in when Iwas in private practice
practicing privately, and shehad migraine headaches that's
the name.
And she said I have migraineheadaches.
And I said, all right, my greenheadaches are usually
(03:03):
associated with improper livergallbladder function in Chinese
medicine.
So we give her a littleacupuncture and she started to
look better and feel betterimmediately, turn pink, started
to smile.
I said how are you doing?
She said I feel better.
I said, okay, I'll see you in aweek.
She came back a week later shehad migraine headaches again and
I said, okay, now, associatedwith liver gallbladder function
(03:25):
in Chinese medicine is the colorgreen, and if you ever seen a
person who's really sick, theyhave different colors.
But she was as green as aChristmas tree and so gave her a
little acupuncture.
She felt better.
I sent her home.
See, in a week she came backand with liver gallbladder
function, you'll see oftenshouting.
You ever hear that, see, adrunk would damage their liver
(03:49):
and they shout.
They're loud and belligerent,what do you mean?
And they're angry.
So you have green as the color,emotion is anger, the sound is
shouting and you know.
I said to her is there anythingin your life that's making you
angry, upsetting you?
She said no, I'm going througha divorce, but other than that
(04:11):
everything's fine.
I said really.
So this concept of report,deprivation sickness, when you
have stress, whether it's mental, emotional, chemical, in terms
of bad food or exposure toadverse chemical, physical,
walking around on hard floorslike a nurse, might you know,
walk on hard floors for an eighthour shift and thermal, if
(04:34):
people are exposed to cold,they'll say why.
I went out and I got, I gotcold and then the next day I was
sick, I didn't feel good.
So you usually see some kind ofstress before people come down
with an illness.
But this concept of report,deprivation sickness, when
people are out of rapport,especially in their primary
(04:55):
relationship, then you'll have adisturbance or problem over
time.
The stuff doesn't happen likebingo over time.
Lungs, large intestines,stomach, spleen, heart, small
intestine bladder, kidney,gallbladder, liver, thyroid,
adrenals, pituitary and gonads,you've got 14 major organ
systems or major meridiansystems and there's there's a
(05:17):
problem.
If a person is fighting withtheir spouse?
What happens to the rate oftransit through the digestive
system?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I got to think.
I got to think it's like it'sright in the same line as fight
or flight.
You ain't worried aboutdigesting your food, You're
worried about surviving.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And so the digestive system slows down.
There's improper deamination ofamino acids and the colon
retains waste products.
And those retained waste, thoseretained metabolites,
contribute to cancer, the colonand other kinds of illnesses.
So this concept of being inrapport is absolutely critical.
(06:02):
When is rapport, deprivationand sickness installed as a
formal pattern for many people?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Gosh, if I had to guess, you mean for the very
first time.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
When did they feel like that for the very first
time?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, given that, as we've discussed before, any
emotion that you feel currently,you had to feel for the very
first time, and for most, if notall, people, that very first
time was during the prenatalperiod.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Exactly, there was a sonogram video of a baby in the
womb and mom and dad werefighting and they were yelling
at each other and with everyshouted word the sonogram showed
this little baby jumping in thewomb and it was the startle
(07:00):
reflex.
Do you know what the startlereflex is in infants?
Do I know what it is?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, Were they where they'll jump yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, a door closes and they'll jump.
I've worked with people who hadstartle reflex installed in
them before they were born andthey would be like 50 years old
and guess what they still had.
They're still stuck in astartle reflex.
And if you do the ageregression back to the prenatal
(07:37):
period and find mom and dad arefighting and they're just stuck
in the startle reflex needlessto say, you probably know
somebody like that.
Needless to say, that is not agood place to live your life
from.
That is not the optimal humanexperience.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
When we talk about a permanent, ongoing, long-lasting
feeling of happiness, you'retalking about glucose at the
proper milligram percent, uricacid in a very little, small
amount, bile salts, hydrochloricacid, all the rest of the
hormones, enzymes, antibodies,all of the lab values,
(08:23):
everything being in within avery normal range and that's the
optimal range.
So I took this program indiagnosis and internal diseases
and really the centerpiece atleast of one part of it was the
idea that there are norms in labvalues.
(08:43):
But as people have gottensicker over the years, guess
what they did with the norms?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, oh, you know what, there's too many people
that are outside.
Let's widen that a bit.
Widen the norms.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's to be reasonable .
So the norms are widelyexpanded, right, and they taught
us to take a look at what'sclose to pathology either too
high or close to pathology, toolow.
And you have somebody who's inthe normal range, or what's
called normal, and they'realmost in pathology on four,
(09:19):
five, six different lab values.
Guess what?
You've got somebody who'shorribly ill and nobody can
figure out what's wrong withthem.
They're doctors who basicallygot the same physiology.
He looks at their lab valuesand goes well, this is within
normal and this is within normaland this is no, they're not,
this is not normal.
It may say normal, it's notnormal.
(09:41):
And so what?
You adjust things using dietand exercise, et cetera, and
vitamins, minerals, so on and soforth, so that they're more
toward the center and that ismore toward the optimal human
experience, and they all getwell.
But if they go the standardmedical route, chances are good
(10:01):
they're going to be sick forever.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, you get a drug for that symptom and then, of
course, it has side effectswhich create more symptoms, and
so you get a drug for thesymptom of the side effect from
the drug to treat the symptomthat you started with.
I had a client who gosh she wason 15 different different
(10:28):
pharmaceuticals and the majorityof them were to treat side
effects from one or two of theseother drugs that she was taken.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I always marveled at the psychoactive drugs.
I mean, suppose somebody'sterribly depressed, and you know
they, for whatever reason.
How do they figure out aspecific drug would do anything
to that depression?
I mean, do they like look atthe molecular structure of it
and say, oh, maybe this will fitin there, or do they just hand
them some drugs and say here,take these and tell me how you
(11:01):
feel?
I mean, what was the processwhereby they was identified?
That you were better off onThorazine?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, here's an anecdote, which we all know how
valuable anecdotes are.
It's double blind testedanecdote.
I met this woman who was asales rep for a pharmaceutical
company for many years beforeshe quit and discussed, and
(11:32):
essentially she explained thatthe process for coming up with a
new drug and getting it out onthe market is they had these
scientists back in the labcreating drugs and then they'd
give it to animals or people andsee what it did and then go hmm
, okay, it makes your legs notyou know jump around as much.
(11:56):
So what could that be?
Okay, so then they would createa syndrome that the drug would
treat and then go push that, sothat the restless leg syndrome
thing was an outcropping of thisdrug that was developed.
That, you know, seemed to makepeople's legs not you know jump
around as much, and so they havea new syndrome and a new drug
(12:17):
to treat it, and a billiondollars, Thank you.
A billion dollars, oh, huge.
I don't know, I'm exaggerating.
It's an anecdote.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I can say whatever you want you are always
exaggerating, but I mean thepoint is well taken.
It's like you know, and myacupuncture teacher used to say
you know, 30 years, 40 years,the weird things that you people
have been doing.
A five year study is nothingRight, you know.
You have a study that goes overa couple of hundred years and
(12:48):
you start to get an indicator,but, as far as I can tell,
Mother Nature replicates most,if not all, of what it is that
we need.
Having said that, though, youknow we have people who've been
living their entire life onrefined carbohydrates and and
food called food dining five andfood dining number two.
(13:09):
They're a different animal,they really.
There are times when,especially antibiotics are very,
very necessary, very important.
But to get back to the optimalhuman experience, if your mom
and dad are in rapport, and thatin that intense toward the
(13:30):
optimal blood, blood chemistry,then you'll have people who are
characteristically happier.
That's my observation.
I haven't done double blindpeer reviewed studies, but in
this kind of makes sense.
We don't live our lives ondouble blind peer reviewed
studies.
We live our lives on what makescommon sense and this concept
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of rapport, deprivation,sickness.
By it.
It's very powerful.
People need to start getting inrapport with the people around
them, and sometimes that's adifficult task, but with time
and patience.
And guess who the mostimportant person to get in
rapport with in your life is?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I'm thinking the guy that brings the paper, but I
could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
The blonde down the blonde two doors over.
No, paul, the most important tobegin to person to get in
rapport with for you is you, youyourself you.
You have to start getting happyand you have to start getting
rapport with yourself.
I one time had a girlfriend.
(14:41):
She was from Quebec, france, orQuebec, canada.
She spoke French and I'm fromFrance.
She was kind of classy, but shewasn't very happy and she was
kind of physically she wasn't.
She wasn't all that healthy,and so I used to keep her amused
by telling her jokes andtelling her how beautiful she
was and I would, you know, danceand do a little tap dancing.
(15:04):
As long as I danced and she wasdistracted, we were fine.
Well, one day I just said I'mnot going to do this anymore,
I'm not going to be unpleasant,I'm not going to be rude, I'm
just not going to jump up anddown and you know, do sparklers.
And that went on for like halfan hour and she turned me and
said you know, I think your,your problem is you're just not
(15:25):
happy with yourself.
Is it really Really?
Well, I guess you should knowthat was pretty much the end of
that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
She was wanting a dinner and a floor show and you
cut off the floor show and itwas over.
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We were talking earlier aboutthis pursuit of happiness and
discussed the physiologicalaspects of hey, what if you ate
good food and healthy food?
But then again, where?
Tell me, if you agree, is thisa good place to go over where
(16:39):
those initial feelings come fromfor the very first time, the
initial dogma?
And when you were talking abouthaving healthy food and going
back to nature, I was remindedof a story you've told a couple
of times about that couple whohad come to one of your
(17:00):
presentations, one of yourpublic presentations, and they
talked like this and they saidboy, this is interesting and
people need to hear that oneagain because you talk about
having good food, but in thiscase, what do they call it when
you reveal the hidden secret?
(17:22):
Any epiphany, spoiler alert.
Sometimes just the mereconstruct of good nutrition can
make a difference.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So what is astonishing is when you work
with prenatal re-imprinting.
Well, let's do the formal dogmaprenatal re-imprinting A sperm
meets an unfertilized egg.
They come together, make afertilized ovum, an ovum that
divides into two cells, fourcells, eight cells, 16 cells.
Then, when it reaches the 32cell stage, it forms a ball
(18:02):
called the blastula.
At that point the inner cellmass of the blastula begins to
spread out rostrally andcaudally toward that and toward
the feet and immediately formsthe neural plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the human body is nervous
tissue, and at this pointpersonality structure begins to
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be laid down as a series ofsimple Pavlovian stimulus
response reflexes.
And all of the problems thatpeople have in life, without
exception, are the end resultsof maladaptive reflexes
established in the prenatalperiod under conditions of
maternal and or fetal distress.
Okay, that's our formal dogma.
(18:45):
By the way, do you know howmany spontaneous abortions there
are, Spontaneous miscarriagesthere?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
are Gosh, you talked about that before I was some
huge percentage.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's like 70%, yeah, so I mean it's just a huge
number.
All anxiety is what I mentioned, this to you All anxiety is oh
separation anxiety.
Yeah, and so you have thislittle ball of cells coming down
the fallopian tubes and downthe uterus and it's trying to
(19:22):
get implanted into the, into theuterine wall, and if the
chemistry is not right, therewon't be an adequate
electromagnetic attractionbetween the embryo and the wall
of the uterus and it'll start toimplant and then it goes and it
goes over here.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Okay and hold on.
And so at that point, at thatpoint in development there is,
the neural plate has alreadystarted, when the that's a
fascinating question.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
There are people who will contend that consciousness
occurs at the moment that spermand egg come together and give
off a little flash of light.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Light yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So, no matter what you say, it's like this general
timeframe.
Remember, I said to you youused to do financial planning.
I said what do people fear most?
And you said loss of theircapital.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah.
And when people are separatedfrom their money.
Yeah, separation anxiety,absolutely.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And people will say well, get in divorce and the
kids are going with my wife.
They're being what Separated?
Separated from their kids.
Yeah, all anxiety is separationanxiety.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Wow, is that weird?
Yeah, yeah, kind of is.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
So the question that you're talking about, these
people, you know your centralnerve axis begins being
developed very early inembryonic territory, in
embryonic.
And so my I had an aunt namedDaras and she was married to my
(21:03):
uncle, sandy, and they talkedlike this and it was Dar esby,
quiet, oh, sandy.
I'm just telling what my son ofthe start it was like.
It was like nails on achalkboard all the time Right,
it was horrible.
And where and where did theygrow up?
(21:24):
When were they prenatal?
During the great depression,and my mother used to tell me
stories about they would havepeanut butter that they had to
stir the oil in.
It would separate.
They had to stir it and theywould put it on hard bread and
they would have bread and peanutbutter and coffee.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh yeah, Well, he is three of the main food groups.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And so, as far as I could tell and this is pure
conjecture, but every time I acton these pure conjectures, they
seem to work just fine.
So they, this couple, I was inHouston.
They had the bread, peanutbutter and coffee.
Voice and Joe, how are youdoing?
It's horrible.
(22:09):
They said we want a session.
So we did a session with themand I said imagine your mother
goes out on a nice beautiful day, takes a bowl full of
blueberries and heavy cream forthe essential amino or fatty
acids, and I had them put theirheads down in the prenatal
(22:30):
position and have that as aguided fantasy.
And after they sat there andshook and convulsed and squirmed
and shuddered, and after about15 minutes they put their heads
up and the man turned to hiswife and said my goodness dear,
that was really a remarkable andinteresting experience.
(22:53):
How are you?
And she said well darling, I'mjust fine.
And that certainly wasdifferent, Wasn't it now?
And I just about fell out ofthe chair.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And so they went from hey, let's do some of this here
thing this fella is talkingabout.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
There was a whole this is fantastic.
Holy, holy, unrehearsed.
But the one of the concept orone of the patterns in prenatal
re-impering with which you'refamiliar is the concept of the
umbilical cord being kinged orcurled or something like that.
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So physiology and psychologyare the front and back of the
same thing.
The only thing is you have tohave the discernment to identify
what you're working with.
People would come into me andthey say I feel like I sabotaged
myself, I feel like I should goand do something, but then I
hold back.
I feel like I you know I can dothis.
But then I I defeat myself andI say, all right, put your head
(23:53):
down and go into the prenataltrance and wait a minute until
they get into that.
And I'll say, all right, what'sthe condition of your umbilical
cord?
And they go what?
And I go look at your umbilicalcord, who's umbilical cord is
it anyway?
And they go well, it's mine, Igo well good look at it, tell me
what's going on, you can look Imean it's all a guided pain.
(24:16):
I see, anyway, they look at meand they say what's kinked?
And I said what's the feelingyou get?
They go.
Well, the feeling is, if I move, it'll kink.
And then I'll be caught off andit'll kill me.
And I'll say is that thefeeling you get when you hold
yourself back?
Is it that feeling?
Is it another feeling?
Is it a parallel feeling, is ita different feeling?
And they go.
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Oh, my goodness, it's the exactsame feeling.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And there it is, the initial imprinting experience
happened during that period oftime, as this little tiny what
do they call it?
Oh, it's just a clump of cellsthis little tiny clump of cells,
in that emotion, that feelingis recapitulated over and over
(25:05):
and over and over for decadesand decades and decades.
That's their life.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
It may very well be a defining moment in their life.
So what I do frequently is Igive them a reference structure
of being in control.
I'll say can you turn up thevolume on your radio?
They go, yeah, I'll go, putyour hand out and turn up the
volume.
Now put their hand out and Iwant to anchor the feeling of
(25:32):
being in control and I'll say,okay, go back to this mental
image that you have of yourumbilical cord being crooked and
straighten it out.
They go why can't straighten itout?
I'll say, well, whose umbilicalcord is it?
Anyways, they go well, it'smine.
They go well, put your hand outand straighten it out as you
adjust the sound and get thefeeling you can do this.
(25:53):
This is balance to you Right?
They straighten it out and youget a different person.
You get a different human beingwith a different neuro
psychiatric history.
Isn't?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
that, just like the couple who I mean the fact that
they did this meditation for afew minutes and twisted and
jerked and they're just sittingthere imagining as you guide
them through this.
Yeah well, and then they comeup and go.
Well, they still ate the peanutbutter and the coffee.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Right, they didn't change, changing physiologic set
points.
You want to change thefrequency and amplitude of
firing in the central, in thecentral neoxys, so you can
adjust.
You want to change the setpoint so that they no longer
have a sense of irritation.
Are you familiar with the senseof irritation?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, no, I've never had.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, I was for you personally you went through a
brief, brief prenatal experienceand you learned that you had a
lot of irritation.
What happened the other side?
Well, you get out of it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, I mean, I've told this story before.
It was the first time I went tothe one of your presentations,
gosh, 263 years ago, right aboutthe time Biden was elected to
the Senate, as I recall and Ijust watched someone else in the
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room have this experience.
That was unbelievable.
And then you look at me and yougo.
You know you look like you'reirritated, you ever feel
irritated and I'm like all theeffin time.
Yeah, yes, I do.
And you had me go into theprenat you expect laying going
(27:42):
to the prenatal position, putyour head down and you walk me
through this guided fantasy and,much like you, had the other
fellow reach out and untwist hiscord and straighten it out.
You had me clean out theamniotic fluid, which apparently
was kind of irritating, and Icame out of that.
That guided fantasy lifted myhead up and it was the first
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time in my life that I hadexperienced what it was like not
to be irritated.
It was.
It was the weirdest thing youcan imagine, because I I did.
I never knew what it felt likenot to be irritated, because I'd
just been irritated all thetime.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And it's a set point phenomena.
Yeah, when you're in the womband your mother you know
something that it causes eithera physiologic or a psychological
set point to be set,established.
That will be like yourreference structure and that's
what people go to and that's whythe prenatal re-imprinting
(28:50):
technology is so profound.
Yeah, I mean, it just changesthings right from the physiology
on up.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Well, and when you?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
talk about.
When you talk about peoplebeing happy, I had a fellow who
came to me and he wasn't unhappyat all.
I can't even remember.
You know, people come to mebecause they've heard I do
something different.
So I said, you know, put yourhead down and what's going on?
It was, oddly enough, he was inIsrael and people were shooting
(29:22):
and so on and so forth, and Isaid, well, are you upset?
And he said, well, it's not allthat pleasant, but I'm okay.
I said, well, what's going onthat makes you okay?
He said, well, mom and dad aretight, mom and dad love each
other and they're hanging on toeach other and they're there for
each other and I'm okay, I'mokay.
And he was not very far fromthe optimal human experience in
(29:46):
terms of blood chemistry andphysiology.
Wow Right, mom and dad were inrapport.
They were in a war zone,there's guns going off, but they
were in rapport and they lovedeach other.
And that was not a profoundlyunperson, unhappy person, not at
all.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, yeah, he got the.
He got much closer to theoptimal human experience from
the get go, as opposed to otherother people me, with my
irritation, and this other guywould.
I can't do anything.
He's got a kink and umbilicalcord Unbelievable.
That is our time for episode 14of the optimal human experience
(30:25):
podcast with Dr Joe Deruzo.
I'm Paul, andrew and, okay,this is a good one, dang.
I had some other stuff to talkabout.
I guess we'll have to doanother day.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
We'll do it again.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
All right, we'll see you next time.
Take care.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
This has been the Optimal Human Experience Podcast
with Dr Joseph Deruzo.
For the latest videos andcourses, visit
OptimalHumanExperiencecom.
Join us next time for theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
with Dr Joseph Deruzo.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Hey, um, hey, young man, how you doing so?
I'm just picturing this couplethat never ceases to give me a
chuckle when I think about thecouple with the peanut butter
and the coffee and the littlebit of depression.
(31:20):
And hey, hey, this hammus isfishing.
Unbelievable in their role fora darling, isn't it so fantastic
.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
How logically consistent is all of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Well, you know, it seems impossible.
Well, because it's never beendouble balling tested, of course
, but then by gosh when youexperience it you go.
Well, okay, you know, you know,that's it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's it, live on stage.
I told you what I did to RandyKelton regarding Reasoning right
.
I don't know.
He prides himself on beingreasonably well educated.
He does live on law and he'sgot his own talk show oh, yeah,
yeah, very much so.
And so he said to me this freeneedle, re-imprinting, how did
(32:15):
you figure that out?
And I said to him, in thestandard English, just threshold
arrogance, right, like if I'mtalking like this, I'm not
arrogant.
If I move my nose up just ahair, what happens?
Just a tad, just a tad.
I said to him well, it was anexercise in pure Reasoning.
You have read Emmanuel Kant, acritique of pure Reasoning, 1787
(32:40):
, of course, correct.
He said.
Well, you know, you haven'tread Emmanuel Kant, you have
Kant, I've read Kant.
And I mortified him justslightly, not too much, but one
must be mortified from time totime if one feels inadequate.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Well, especially if you're born, as I have errors
about one's own.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
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