September 28, 2023 • 34 mins
Have you ever wondered how much influence the prenatal period has in shaping our lives?
Prepare to have your mind expanded as Dr. Joseph Diruzzo takes us on a fascinating journey through a key tool for obtaining the Optimal Human Experience: the world of Prenatal Re-imprinting (PNRI).
We discuss the significant role of the prenatal period in setting our emotional, neurophysiological, and chronological set points. Learn about simple Pavlovian Stimulus Response Reflex arcs, and how they lead to resonating feedback loops, both emotional and physical.
The end result? People tend to recapitulate actions, circumstances, and situations in order to have the same experiences over and over and over again.
"Always" make the wrong decision? "Always" choose the wrong person for a relationship? Do people "Always" take advantage of you? Yes, there's a common denominator and it can be changed and transformed to experience different results.
Dr. DiRuzzo sheds light on our parents' emotional experiences and how they can deeply impact us, with the biggest impact happening even before we're born. We unpack the potential of prenatal re-imprinting in resolving these deep-seated psychological patterns and restoring the Optimal Human Experience.
Learn to unlock the most ancient parts of your brain through posture. We'll also tap into how this knowledge can act as a therapeutic tool when you're feeling tired or stressed out.
Embrace the profound role of neurophysiology and acupuncture in this process. Moreover, we delve into the world of perceptual filters, how they impact our life experiences and can be shifted by incorporating artificial memories to rewrite prenatal experiences and imprints.
A whole new perspective on your past and your optimal future awaits you in this enlightening conversation.
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Announcer (00:06):
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
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Paul Andrew (00:25):
Welcome to episode 5 of the Optimal Human
Experience Podcast with DrJoseph DiRuzzo, where we discuss
- you guessed it - the OptimalHuman Experience.
Dr Joe, what do you want totalk about?
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (00:47):
Let's talk about perceptual filters, the
prenatal experience and what weend up with in life and how we
can get more of what we want outof life in all the categories
that really matter.
Okay, I'm on board.
you're on board, all right?
Well, one of the main toolsthat we work with Pavlovian
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Stimulus Response Reflex arcs,conditioning all of that One of
the more powerful tools is theprenatal re-imprinting
technology.
So let me give just the basicdogma of prenatal re-imprinting.
What we find in our neweststudies of psychology and human
excellence and learning is thatpersonality structure begins in
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the womb and the formal dogma isa sperm.
It's an unfertilized egg.
They come together and make afertilized ovum that divides
into two cells, four cells,eight cells, 16 cells, and when
it reaches the 32 cell stageit's called a blastilla.
It's a ball of cells.
At that point the inner cellmass of the blastilla begins to
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spread out toward what will bethe head and toward what will be
the feet and immediately formsthe neural plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the human body is nervous
tissue and at this pointpersonality structure begins to
be established as a set ofsimple Pavlovian Stimulus
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Response Reflex arcs and all ofthe problems that people have in
life without exception are theend result of maladaptive
reflexes established in theprenatal period under conditions
of maternal and or fetaldistress.
Now I often have people ask mewhat is this thing about taking
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the prenatal position?
Well, when you're in the wombthere's not a lot of room and
we're curled up and our head isdown.
And when we come out we startcrawling around, we put our head
up and then the curves in thespine begin to develop.
If you sit and put yourself inthe prenatal position, what
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you'll notice is, as soon as theaxis of the eyes, the
horizontal axis of the eye, goesbelow the horizon, all of a
sudden it deep inside of yourbrain.
It gets real quiet.
That's what I call entering theprenatal state by taking on the
prenatal posture and at thatpoint, all the firing of the
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various joints in the spinegoing into the brain are what
they were before you were born,and that makes it possible to
alter complex generalizationsand install new information deep
in the deepest parts of thebrain, the parts of the brain
that we're forming when you werein the earliest part of
gestation, the earliest part ofthe prenatal experience.
Paul Andrew (03:42):
So you're saying that the position of the head is
critical?
Just by tucking the chin intothe chest and changing the angle
of the bones in the neck, thecervical spine, that seems to be
the key to accessing these moreancient parts of the brain that
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were first developing it's abig part of the key.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (04:08):
But if you put your head like this and
you're sitting up straight andyou put your head like that,
that's not it, that's not theprenatal position.
Paul Andrew (04:15):
Well, this and that this is audio, so I can see
what you're doing.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (04:19):
No one else can.
Paul Andrew (04:22):
So okay, so everybody just put your head
like this and then put it likethat.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (04:25):
You need to lean forward and put a curve in
the thoracic spine, in the curve, especially the thoracocervical
junction, the area between thethorax, the chest and the neck.
You got to make a continuouscurve in there.
But this is, you know.
Paul Andrew (04:44):
Okay, okay, so it's not just tucking your head down
in your chest, because that'sjust putting your head down.
What you're saying is to kindof curl, curl over, even in the
lower your back, the middle partof your back, a curve all the
way up and then your neck yourhead down into your chin, into
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your chest, but your back needsto be curved around much like an
embryo would be tucked into thewomb.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (05:13):
Okay, you know, and I'll discuss prenatal
re-imprinting with people andthey'll say, well, that doesn't
make any sense.
I, I could never do that.
I couldn't remember what myparents felt and what they were
talking about 50, 60 years ago.
I'll say why.
I put your head down and tellme what comes to mind and they
go well, that's silly, you know,I can't do that.
It was.
I was born 60 years ago, sowe'll just give it a try.
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They put their head down.
The next thing you know they'regoing oh, my mother and father
don't want to the pregnancy.
Mom and dad are fighting andthey're out of rapport, they're
not gonna get it.
And it's just below the surfaceand, characteristically, if you
look at people in an unguardedmoment, you'll see what their
base internal emotional state isand it shows on the face over
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and over and over again.
Everybody has had prenatalexperiences.
Rarely is there a disconnectbetween what they're
experiencing in their ongoinglife and what they experienced
in the womb, for example.
People will say to me I'mlonely.
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I'll say alright, put your headdown and tell me what's going
on.
They'll say well, my motherdoesn't want to be a pregnant
and she's ignoring me.
Paul Andrew (06:28):
Now is there a.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (06:29):
Seraparallel there, or what right Yikes.
So the prenatal period itestablished us is establishes
all kinds of set pointsemotionally,
neurophysiologically and orchronologically.
When a person is, you know,stressed in the prenatal period,
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they come out and guess whatOne of the most interesting
tools of the prenatal technologyis.
I will ask people how are youdoing?
They'll say well, I'm tired.
I'll say, alright, put yourhead down, assume the prenatal
position, take a deep breath.
Imagine yourself floating inthe amniotic fluid.
How's your mother?
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They'll go.
She's exhausting.
I'll say she's stressed out,she's not getting along with my
father, she's exhaust.
I'll say, well, alright, well,is she giving you energy or she
taking away from you?
And Then there'll be this longsilence and they'll go.
She's using me like a battery,and so the the circuit for the
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pre-nate, in terms of theAdrenal glands, and the circuit
for the mom, you know, for the,they're one in the same.
As a matter of fact, one of themost healing things you can do
for people is have them assumethe prenatal Position and get
their nervous system firing theway it was when they were in the
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womb and have them say over andover again Mom and I are one
Mother, and I are one mother andI are one.
And they begin to get a senseof safety Because they're not
all alone, even though they'rebeing ignored and they're having
a poor deprivation and sicknessinstalled in them in the
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prenatal period Mom, mother andI are one.
It's very healing for people.
Paul Andrew (08:22):
So tell me, tell me this, because I have.
When I've discussed prenatal re, I've known you for a long time
.
When I've discussed prenatalre-imprinting with other people,
they'll say well, you know,I've done hypnosis and it sounds
like that's just hypnosis, andso I've been hypnotized and it
didn't really help anything.
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What's the difference betweenprenatal re-imprinting and
hypnosis?
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (08:51):
You know that's a good question.
My observation is Hypnosispeople do while they're sitting
up in a chair or whatever andthey fail to recapitulate the
Affrentation.
In other words, their spine isnot the same as it was before
they were born.
You put them into that curvedspine.
Next thing you know, boy, theygo right into the prenatal
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experience.
They prenatal memories will popup with enormous clarity and,
characteristically, people arejust shocked they'll go.
That happened to me 50 years ago.
I go yeah, and it's still inyour brain, it's still down in
the deeper parts of your brain,the part of your brain that
formed early on in the gestation.
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And there's a, there's a,there's an analysis, there's a,
there's a relationship betweenhypnosis.
I use a lot of the words thatcome out of their Ericksonian
hypnosis.
But there's an interestingstory.
I had a student and it was agentleman in his early 60s and
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he had been Studying prenatalre-imprinting with me and had
fabulous results.
He, his granddaughter, hisdaughter, had a daughter and she
got pregnant and they did thewonder baby program with
Absolutely fabulous results.
But this fellow's name was Rick.
He wanted some kind ofcertification.
(10:16):
So we went to a hypnosistraining school in Dallas and
went through a lot of theirtraining.
And they were doing trainingand they were doing hypnosis and
he was getting a certificationso that he could feel better
about Presenting himself.
And this woman had problems.
She was a client, she hadproblems with repeated breakups
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in her Primary relationship.
She'd get Engaged and she'd getright up to the wedding date
and she just backed out, shecouldn't do it.
And so the Hypnotherapy teacherthere worked with her and you
know all the students workedwith her and Didn't get any
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results, really didn't changethe internal state, didn't
change the behaviors.
So the instructor in the schoolturned to Rick and said why
don't you try some of yourprenatal material on this, on
this gal?
And Rick said well, okay, andyou know now was this?
Paul Andrew (11:13):
was this a a true?
Was the instructor reallylooking for?
Well, we haven't had anysuccess.
Perhaps, rick, you could havesome success.
Or was it more like hey, rick,let's use so, talking about your
fancy schmancy, prenatal stuff,let's see what you got.
Yeah, come on, show us big boyyou.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (11:34):
It was done with an underlying tone of
sarcasm and cynicism.
Okay, okay, I mean, you knowyou'd have to maintain the
pecking order.
Well, this is way out of thepecking order.
Well, anyways, rick, the otherwoman, assumed the prenatal
position and talked.
She talked to her about whatwas going on and her father had
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gone to Vietnam after gettingher mother pregnant and he was
either killed or didn't comeback.
There was some horrible traumaand the mother made a resolve.
Molecules of emotion.
The mother made a resolve thatshe would never allow herself to
be emotionally vulnerable inthat way again.
Oh bingo, oh bingo.
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And here's this little baby inthe prenatal period.
They can't think rationally,they can't reason, but those
molecules of emotion and thisgirl had it happened to her
several times, literally, she'dget almost to being married and
she would back out with avengeance.
And she had, when Rick resolvedthat for her, the rest of my
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knowledge and belief.
She was in an engagementsituation.
She went forward with it anddid get married.
Paul Andrew (12:49):
So so the theory is that the fact that her mother
decided she's never going to beemotionally exposed like that
again to a romantic relationshipthat produced different
molecules, different peptides,neuropeptides.
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Something in the embryo wasbathed.
This woman was bathed in thatas a child, so her cells all
created these receptor sites.
I said, all right, that's,that's what we're going to run
on.
We'll run on that one, Not thehappy neuropeptide.
No, we need that one over herewhere.
Get away from me, you man, you.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (13:31):
Well, you know, this is at such an so far
below consciousness and people,when, when they've got one of
these patterns stuck, they, theywill give you reason after
reason after reason after reason, well thought out, and you know
, just absolutely adamant, thatthat's the way it is.
And then you change theprenatal pattern and all that
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changes.
And one of the ways I like tothink about it is the concept of
a reverberating circuit ofneurons firing deep in the brain
where there's a trauma thatoccurs and it excites neuron A
and that excites neuron B, andthen neuron B excites neuron C
and then neuron C re excitesneuron A, which then re excites
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neuron B, which re excitesneuron C, which then re excites,
and you get a reverberatingcircuit.
And this is how people can bestuck literally for decades.
They can have feelings ofinadequacy for decades.
They can have feelings oflonely lenientness for decades.
There is currently inneurophysiology people who are
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having people with issues, takea deep breath, just take it and
blow it all out.
Well, what that does is itbalances the sympathetic nervous
system and the parasympatheticnervous system, the fight or
flight, the stress or relaxation.
And here's an interesting thingIf you put a needle in a major
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acupuncture point, right, we'llsay the intersection point of
the kidney, liver and spleen,Sonny and co, in the inside of
the ankle, one hands width abovethe ankle bone.
Yeah, I was just about to saythat and you put, you put a
needle in there and wait andguess what happens to people
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After about five minutes they'llgo right.
What happens to people whenthey have?
So they do so.
Paul Andrew (15:40):
you put it in and it and it causes this relaxation
response.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (15:43):
They take a deep breath and it's the real
and if the commonality is therelaxation response, you can
reach over and hold thatacupuncture point with your
thumbs.
It'll be sore and wait a coupleof minutes.
The next thing you know it'lltake that deep breath.
That deep breath is indicativeof the parasympathetic and the
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sympathetic nervous systemcoming back into the optimal
human experience.
What happens when you resolve apsychological problem for
somebody?
What do they do?
Paul Andrew (16:17):
Right, they have that deep breath and let it out
and and when and when you do aprenatal pattern right.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (16:25):
So the whole thing is the optimal human
experience.
You don't want your adrenalinelens firing, firing, firing.
You don't want a maladaptiveneurological patterns,
reverberating patterns, firing,firing, firing.
You want the optimal humanexperience, optimal health,
optimal relationships, optimalprosperity.
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You want everything to beoptimal and that's the object
and subject of our study.
Paul Andrew (16:52):
That's a perfect time to take a quick break and
just say we're about halfwaythrough this episode and if you
want to learn more about whatwe're discussing here, there's a
website,optimalhumanexperiencecom, and
what you'll find on there issome more information and as the
(17:12):
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decades, you'll find access toDr Joe's material in an online
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Up to this point, the only wayyou could get Dr Joe's
information would be throughgroups in person or one-on-one
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sessions in person, but nowwe're putting this together in a
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Dr Joe, earlier you and I werediscussing, before we started
recording, about the more aboutperceptual filters and the
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difference in perceptual filtersthat everybody has.
Nobody has exactly the sameperceptual filters, and you gave
an example of walking down thestreet or something my brain is
your back brain.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (18:16):
The legend has it that your nervous system
processes about two millionpieces of information at any
given moment, most of whichyou're not aware of.
For example, if I say to youwhere's your left foot, then you
become aware of it.
It goes from unconscious toconscious.
What's the temperature on yournose?
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You'll be able to tell me it'sabout 75 degrees, but until I
mentioned it you weren't awareof it.
So the real question is is whatcomes bubbles up out of this
vast number of inputs andbecomes conscious when we want
the things that we want to beconscious of to be conscious,
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and the other things not so much.
So we're walking down thestreet and I was in New York
City taking my board exams and Ihad been recently studying
Oriental diagnosis, boshin Jutsu, which is Japanese for Oriental
diagnosis, for visualobservation and before I started
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studying this, my perceptualfilters were these are just
people, they're New Yorkers,right?
And then, after I read the book, my perceptual filters changed.
I can see the ones.
They had big, swollen noses andI knew their heart was stressed
, big circles under their eyesand I knew they were having
kidney problems.
Mitsu Okushi wrote a book inwhich he said he went to meet a
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justice of the peace and he said, boy, this is going to be
fabulous.
There's a man here whounderstands justice and he
understands peace.
And he said I went into hisoffice and there was this little
guy sitting there with a bigswollen nose, swollen lips, red
ears and physiologically, and hejust was so unhealthy and it
kind of popped Mitsu Okushi'sballoon.
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But the point about perceptualfilters is you and I will walk
down the street and we will seeentirely different things.
And the billionaire who walksdown the street in Manhattan, he
doesn't look at people's noses,he will look at a building and
say, well, I can, I can holdthat building out and turn it
into apartments.
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There's another one, I can tearthat one down.
The gas station would do verywell right there.
So the question is where andwhen and how are these
perceptual filters installed?
And my observation is theearlier in experience they're
installed, the more influencethey have.
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You know, the Roman CatholicChurch says give us a child
before they're five and we willhave them forever.
They install certain perceptualfilters and one of the tools
that we have in prenatalre-imprinting is we have people
put their head down, assume theprenatal experience, the posture
, have the neurons firing intheir brain, similar to that
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early, early, early experience,and then we can plug in whatever
programming we want.
And one of the things that isreally easy to do is to help
people become more affable, tohave better rapport skills, to
be more skilled with people andto get more enjoyment out of
life.
And another one that I workwith people on is prosperity.
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There are patterns that you caninstall when people's head is
in the prenatal position thathas a profound influence on
literally on every aspect oftheir life.
But we now have the ability toliterally program the deepest
parts of the brain and have theresult that we want and it's
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delightful to behold.
Really, it's a lot of fun.
Paul Andrew (21:59):
So ultimately it gets back to.
The theory is that by assumingthe position of the prenat, of
the embryo in the womb, and it'snot just the tucking the chin
into the chest, it's the wholecurve of the spine, down even
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below the neck, that allowsaccess to that period of time,
in those parts of the brain, inthe body, in all those cells
that were developed during thatperiod.
And the theory is that youbelieve and I think I'm on the
same page with you that bycreating a different, an
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artificial but a differentexperience during some formative
period, that it actually goesback and changes those cells
that were formed at that time,that it actually regenerates
neural pathways and experiences,so that even the memory of that
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time is no longer oh, mom's notpaying attention to me, she's
thinking about something else.
But the memory becomes that no,mommy's got all her attention
on me, she's focused in her anddad or in love now, and they
can't wait for me to show up.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (23:28):
Well, it's that precisely, and this whole
thing about the prenatal periodbeing very formative and
foundational when you're arguingwith your spouse what's going
on, People will argue and thenthey'll have elevated bile salts
and hydrochloric acid fromtheir stomach.
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It really disturbs thephysiology for people to argue,
but if you're in love and you'rein harmony and you have some
degree of rapport and things arereasonably going well, you have
an extended family that'ssomewhat supportive, you have
finances that are somewhatstable.
It's an entirely differentexperience than that of mom and
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dad or out of rapport, and I'mbeing subjected to uric acid and
bile salts as my firstexperience in life.
Paul Andrew (24:27):
Here's my bath, here's your bath, baby, have
your bath of amniotic fluid andbile salts and all the other
things acidic and irritating.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (24:38):
One of the interesting things is I'll have
people put their head down andI'll say, how's the amniotic
fluid?
And they'll go oh, it's awful.
I'll say what's wrong and thathas been unexpectedly over and
over again.
They'll say mom is smoking andit really, really disturbs the
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pre-nate.
It's not a nice experience.
So all of the evidence we havein working with prenatal
re-imprinting is anecdotal andit is close to 100%, as you can
get right on the money.
Early in the day, when I wasjust starting working with
prenatal re-imprinting, everyonce in a while I'd find
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somebody that put their headdown and we could not get the
prenatal memory.
And so what I would do is Iwould go back and I would
re-anchor.
I would anchor kinestheticallywith a light touch on the
shoulder or squeeze, and then Iwould turn my head just slightly
and pick one of their ears leftor right, and I would talk to
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them about the emotion that theywere trying to resolve, with a
specific tonality and a specificlocation and with a redundancy
of anchoring.
I would fire off thekinesthetic anchor, I would use
the tonal anchor and I would usethe spatial location of my
voice.
Every one of those.
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Those people would go oh yeah,here's what was going on.
My mother and father,da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
So sometimes just putting theirhead down and assuming the
prenatal posture isn't enoughand there's a learning curve.
People have to learn to go back, you know, 50 years and if you
help them by firing off ananchor associated with that
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feeling and using a tone ofvoice associated with that
feeling and a spatial locationfor the direction of your voice,
my experience is, these dayseverybody just goes immediately
right back to the prenatalmemory.
Paul Andrew (26:40):
That established the prenatal experience and, and
that was the initial imprintingexperience, and, more
specifically, what you'retalking about is if someone's
struggling with some particularemotion that they feel
frequently, that they don't like, that's not helping them.
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This is what you're talkingabout.
Say more about setting ananchor and how that works in
working with some specificemotional state.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (27:10):
Well, you know, we're working with the
optimal human experience, right,and so you've got two sides of
the coin.
People can come in and say I'vegot this and here's how I'm
broken, I feel bad and I feelinadequate.
Those are, you know, reparativetherapeutic techniques.
But the other side of the coinis what?
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It's, generative.
And they'll come in and they'llsay well, I'm good at this, I'd
like to be better.
I go wow, I'm good at makingmoney, I'd like to even be
better.
I'd good at working with people, I'd like to be better.
And you can always put theminto the prenatal position, gain
access to the deeppaleocortical structures of the
most primitive part of the brainand plug in some more fully
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adaptive, dynamic, powerful,optimal human experience
reference structures.
Then that's really a lot of fun.
Okay, and that sounds good.
Paul Andrew (28:09):
But what I didn't hear is say more about this
setting and anchor.
So you mentioned like a squeezeon the shoulder or some
kinesthetic anchor.
Just say more, just explainthat.
We've got a few minutes left,but just to clarify that a
little bit.
You know what?
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (28:29):
did Pavlov do with the dogs?
He put a bowl of food in frontof them.
They salivated and he rang abell.
From that point forward,anytime you rang a bell, what
happened?
They would salivate.
They would salivate, right.
Actually, what happened was,whenever Pavlov rang a bell, he
would find graduate studentslooking around the laboratory
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trying to find dogs.
Right, because everything can bean anchor or a Pavlovian
stimulus response reflex arc.
And this is very, very simple.
But sometimes it's actuallydifficult to learn that
everything can be an anchor.
So people would say to me Ifeel sad.
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Now I'd reach over and I'd setI would touch their shoulder
with a specific, precise, exacttouch, and then I would let it
go.
And then, whenever I wantedthem to access that feeling, I'd
reach over and I would touchexactly that same place.
And if I set my anchor andtimed it right and touched it,
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exactly the same, the samefeelings would come up.
And if their head was down andthey were in the prenatal, it
would help them do atransderivational search and
drift back in their memory tothe time when they felt that
sadness for the very first time.
Okay, okay, right, and you canuse.
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Any stimulus can become pairedwith any response.
Sometimes I'll see somebodywalk in the door and they'll be
sad or angry or whatever, andit's not even time to start
doing any work.
I'll just go and I will anchorthe internal state that they've
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got, I will pair it with andthey don't know that's a covert
anchor and they'll sit down andthey'll say well, doctor, I'm
having problems with so and so,and I'll say, all right, we'll
put your head down and I'll fireoff the anchor and if I have
the right emotional state peggedand they're available for it
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and everything is just right,that emotional state and the
memory that caused it for themto feel that for the very first
time will come right up.
Paul Andrew (30:49):
So.
So then just you notice thatthey're in a particular
emotional state when they'rewalking in the door.
You set this audible anchor andand it's not like they're going
okay, set the anchor now.
No, you set the anchor whenthey're walking and, and you're
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able to use that, fire it offand it takes them right back to
that emotional state.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (31:15):
Right back to you know, couples will have a
song that they, that they enjoydancing to during the first days
of their relationship and thatbecomes known as what Our song.
They're playing our song, honey.
Remember when I had my, I hadmy red slippers on and you had
your bow tie, and remember itacts as an anchor, right?
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What happens when a plane fliesoverhead and you?
You don't see it because it'sabove the clouds, but you hear
it and you turn to your wife andyou say you know, remember when
we went to Hawaii last year, weflew to Hawaii.
I'd like to do that again,right?
So these anchors, we live in asea of anchors and if you
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utilize them, you can, you cando all kinds of things.
The most, one of the mostthings, fun things to do, is
have people think about earning,you know, a living, being
prosperous, and anchor feelingsof creativity, neurological
activity associated withcreativity, and then fire that
off as they're thinking abouttheir job, their business.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
Paul Andrew (32:22):
So they get more creative about prosperity and
making money yeah.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (32:27):
And you can do this now we have the tools to
do it deliberately,deliberately, not accidentally.
We and this is behavioralengineering, and I really mean
behavioral engineering we canengineer your experience to a
very significant degree.
Paul Andrew (32:44):
Okay, that's about, uh, that's about our time here
and that's a nice note to end on.
So that that ends episode whatare we on?
Episode five of the optimalhuman experience with Dr Joseph
Deruzza, and we will see younext time.
Now just back to Pavlov andthose dogs.
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I didn't realize this, but Iread something where they were
collecting the saliva they.
That's why he was making thosedogs salivate, because they were
collecting it.
And then they give it.
They give it to people to helptheir digestion.
Ugh.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (33:26):
Ugh, did you know that?
Yeah, yeah I.
I heard that I didn't dwell onit.
It wasn't something thatfascinated me.
It's horrible.
I didn't think about it all thetime.
I didn't think about it all thetime.
Paul Andrew (33:36):
Well, not all the time, but you know, deserved a
couple of minutes of disgust.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (33:40):
No, this one, you know.
Another thing they're doing isthey're taking shit out of
people who are healthy andputting you're shooting it.
You know they're using like aturkey baster.
You're shooting it into thecolons of people who are sick.
Paul Andrew (33:53):
Okay, well, I've actually done that.
I want to talk to you about it.
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Paul Andrew (00:25):
Welcome to episode 5 of the Optimal Human
Experience Podcast with DrJoseph DiRuzzo, where we discuss
- you guessed it - the OptimalHuman Experience.
Dr Joe, what do you want totalk about?
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (00:47):
Let's talk about perceptual filters, the
prenatal experience and what weend up with in life and how we
can get more of what we want outof life in all the categories
that really matter.
Okay, I'm on board.
you're on board, all right?
Well, one of the main toolsthat we work with Pavlovian
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Stimulus Response Reflex arcs,conditioning all of that One of
the more powerful tools is theprenatal re-imprinting
technology.
So let me give just the basicdogma of prenatal re-imprinting.
What we find in our neweststudies of psychology and human
excellence and learning is thatpersonality structure begins in
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the womb and the formal dogma isa sperm.
It's an unfertilized egg.
They come together and make afertilized ovum that divides
into two cells, four cells,eight cells, 16 cells, and when
it reaches the 32 cell stageit's called a blastilla.
It's a ball of cells.
At that point the inner cellmass of the blastilla begins to
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spread out toward what will bethe head and toward what will be
the feet and immediately formsthe neural plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the human body is nervous
tissue and at this pointpersonality structure begins to
be established as a set ofsimple Pavlovian Stimulus
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Response Reflex arcs and all ofthe problems that people have in
life without exception are theend result of maladaptive
reflexes established in theprenatal period under conditions
of maternal and or fetaldistress.
Now I often have people ask mewhat is this thing about taking
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the prenatal position?
Well, when you're in the wombthere's not a lot of room and
we're curled up and our head isdown.
And when we come out we startcrawling around, we put our head
up and then the curves in thespine begin to develop.
If you sit and put yourself inthe prenatal position, what
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you'll notice is, as soon as theaxis of the eyes, the
horizontal axis of the eye, goesbelow the horizon, all of a
sudden it deep inside of yourbrain.
It gets real quiet.
That's what I call entering theprenatal state by taking on the
prenatal posture and at thatpoint, all the firing of the
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various joints in the spinegoing into the brain are what
they were before you were born,and that makes it possible to
alter complex generalizationsand install new information deep
in the deepest parts of thebrain, the parts of the brain
that we're forming when you werein the earliest part of
gestation, the earliest part ofthe prenatal experience.
Paul Andrew (03:42):
So you're saying that the position of the head is
critical?
Just by tucking the chin intothe chest and changing the angle
of the bones in the neck, thecervical spine, that seems to be
the key to accessing these moreancient parts of the brain that
(04:04):
were first developing it's abig part of the key.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (04:08):
But if you put your head like this and
you're sitting up straight andyou put your head like that,
that's not it, that's not theprenatal position.
Paul Andrew (04:15):
Well, this and that this is audio, so I can see
what you're doing.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (04:19):
No one else can.
Paul Andrew (04:22):
So okay, so everybody just put your head
like this and then put it likethat.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (04:25):
You need to lean forward and put a curve in
the thoracic spine, in the curve, especially the thoracocervical
junction, the area between thethorax, the chest and the neck.
You got to make a continuouscurve in there.
But this is, you know.
Paul Andrew (04:44):
Okay, okay, so it's not just tucking your head down
in your chest, because that'sjust putting your head down.
What you're saying is to kindof curl, curl over, even in the
lower your back, the middle partof your back, a curve all the
way up and then your neck yourhead down into your chin, into
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your chest, but your back needsto be curved around much like an
embryo would be tucked into thewomb.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (05:13):
Okay, you know, and I'll discuss prenatal
re-imprinting with people andthey'll say, well, that doesn't
make any sense.
I, I could never do that.
I couldn't remember what myparents felt and what they were
talking about 50, 60 years ago.
I'll say why.
I put your head down and tellme what comes to mind and they
go well, that's silly, you know,I can't do that.
It was.
I was born 60 years ago, sowe'll just give it a try.
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They put their head down.
The next thing you know they'regoing oh, my mother and father
don't want to the pregnancy.
Mom and dad are fighting andthey're out of rapport, they're
not gonna get it.
And it's just below the surfaceand, characteristically, if you
look at people in an unguardedmoment, you'll see what their
base internal emotional state isand it shows on the face over
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and over and over again.
Everybody has had prenatalexperiences.
Rarely is there a disconnectbetween what they're
experiencing in their ongoinglife and what they experienced
in the womb, for example.
People will say to me I'mlonely.
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I'll say alright, put your headdown and tell me what's going
on.
They'll say well, my motherdoesn't want to be a pregnant
and she's ignoring me.
Paul Andrew (06:28):
Now is there a.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (06:29):
Seraparallel there, or what right Yikes.
So the prenatal period itestablished us is establishes
all kinds of set pointsemotionally,
neurophysiologically and orchronologically.
When a person is, you know,stressed in the prenatal period,
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they come out and guess whatOne of the most interesting
tools of the prenatal technologyis.
I will ask people how are youdoing?
They'll say well, I'm tired.
I'll say, alright, put yourhead down, assume the prenatal
position, take a deep breath.
Imagine yourself floating inthe amniotic fluid.
How's your mother?
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They'll go.
She's exhausting.
I'll say she's stressed out,she's not getting along with my
father, she's exhaust.
I'll say, well, alright, well,is she giving you energy or she
taking away from you?
And Then there'll be this longsilence and they'll go.
She's using me like a battery,and so the the circuit for the
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pre-nate, in terms of theAdrenal glands, and the circuit
for the mom, you know, for the,they're one in the same.
As a matter of fact, one of themost healing things you can do
for people is have them assumethe prenatal Position and get
their nervous system firing theway it was when they were in the
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womb and have them say over andover again Mom and I are one
Mother, and I are one mother andI are one.
And they begin to get a senseof safety Because they're not
all alone, even though they'rebeing ignored and they're having
a poor deprivation and sicknessinstalled in them in the
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prenatal period Mom, mother andI are one.
It's very healing for people.
Paul Andrew (08:22):
So tell me, tell me this, because I have.
When I've discussed prenatal re, I've known you for a long time
.
When I've discussed prenatalre-imprinting with other people,
they'll say well, you know,I've done hypnosis and it sounds
like that's just hypnosis, andso I've been hypnotized and it
didn't really help anything.
(08:43):
What's the difference betweenprenatal re-imprinting and
hypnosis?
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (08:51):
You know that's a good question.
My observation is Hypnosispeople do while they're sitting
up in a chair or whatever andthey fail to recapitulate the
Affrentation.
In other words, their spine isnot the same as it was before
they were born.
You put them into that curvedspine.
Next thing you know, boy, theygo right into the prenatal
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experience.
They prenatal memories will popup with enormous clarity and,
characteristically, people arejust shocked they'll go.
That happened to me 50 years ago.
I go yeah, and it's still inyour brain, it's still down in
the deeper parts of your brain,the part of your brain that
formed early on in the gestation.
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And there's a, there's a,there's an analysis, there's a,
there's a relationship betweenhypnosis.
I use a lot of the words thatcome out of their Ericksonian
hypnosis.
But there's an interestingstory.
I had a student and it was agentleman in his early 60s and
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he had been Studying prenatalre-imprinting with me and had
fabulous results.
He, his granddaughter, hisdaughter, had a daughter and she
got pregnant and they did thewonder baby program with
Absolutely fabulous results.
But this fellow's name was Rick.
He wanted some kind ofcertification.
(10:16):
So we went to a hypnosistraining school in Dallas and
went through a lot of theirtraining.
And they were doing trainingand they were doing hypnosis and
he was getting a certificationso that he could feel better
about Presenting himself.
And this woman had problems.
She was a client, she hadproblems with repeated breakups
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in her Primary relationship.
She'd get Engaged and she'd getright up to the wedding date
and she just backed out, shecouldn't do it.
And so the Hypnotherapy teacherthere worked with her and you
know all the students workedwith her and Didn't get any
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results, really didn't changethe internal state, didn't
change the behaviors.
So the instructor in the schoolturned to Rick and said why
don't you try some of yourprenatal material on this, on
this gal?
And Rick said well, okay, andyou know now was this?
Paul Andrew (11:13):
was this a a true?
Was the instructor reallylooking for?
Well, we haven't had anysuccess.
Perhaps, rick, you could havesome success.
Or was it more like hey, rick,let's use so, talking about your
fancy schmancy, prenatal stuff,let's see what you got.
Yeah, come on, show us big boyyou.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (11:34):
It was done with an underlying tone of
sarcasm and cynicism.
Okay, okay, I mean, you knowyou'd have to maintain the
pecking order.
Well, this is way out of thepecking order.
Well, anyways, rick, the otherwoman, assumed the prenatal
position and talked.
She talked to her about whatwas going on and her father had
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gone to Vietnam after gettingher mother pregnant and he was
either killed or didn't comeback.
There was some horrible traumaand the mother made a resolve.
Molecules of emotion.
The mother made a resolve thatshe would never allow herself to
be emotionally vulnerable inthat way again.
Oh bingo, oh bingo.
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And here's this little baby inthe prenatal period.
They can't think rationally,they can't reason, but those
molecules of emotion and thisgirl had it happened to her
several times, literally, she'dget almost to being married and
she would back out with avengeance.
And she had, when Rick resolvedthat for her, the rest of my
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knowledge and belief.
She was in an engagementsituation.
She went forward with it anddid get married.
Paul Andrew (12:49):
So so the theory is that the fact that her mother
decided she's never going to beemotionally exposed like that
again to a romantic relationshipthat produced different
molecules, different peptides,neuropeptides.
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Something in the embryo wasbathed.
This woman was bathed in thatas a child, so her cells all
created these receptor sites.
I said, all right, that's,that's what we're going to run
on.
We'll run on that one, Not thehappy neuropeptide.
No, we need that one over herewhere.
Get away from me, you man, you.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (13:31):
Well, you know, this is at such an so far
below consciousness and people,when, when they've got one of
these patterns stuck, they, theywill give you reason after
reason after reason after reason, well thought out, and you know
, just absolutely adamant, thatthat's the way it is.
And then you change theprenatal pattern and all that
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changes.
And one of the ways I like tothink about it is the concept of
a reverberating circuit ofneurons firing deep in the brain
where there's a trauma thatoccurs and it excites neuron A
and that excites neuron B, andthen neuron B excites neuron C
and then neuron C re excitesneuron A, which then re excites
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neuron B, which re excitesneuron C, which then re excites,
and you get a reverberatingcircuit.
And this is how people can bestuck literally for decades.
They can have feelings ofinadequacy for decades.
They can have feelings oflonely lenientness for decades.
There is currently inneurophysiology people who are
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having people with issues, takea deep breath, just take it and
blow it all out.
Well, what that does is itbalances the sympathetic nervous
system and the parasympatheticnervous system, the fight or
flight, the stress or relaxation.
And here's an interesting thingIf you put a needle in a major
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acupuncture point, right, we'llsay the intersection point of
the kidney, liver and spleen,Sonny and co, in the inside of
the ankle, one hands width abovethe ankle bone.
Yeah, I was just about to saythat and you put, you put a
needle in there and wait andguess what happens to people
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After about five minutes they'llgo right.
What happens to people whenthey have?
So they do so.
Paul Andrew (15:40):
you put it in and it and it causes this relaxation
response.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (15:43):
They take a deep breath and it's the real
and if the commonality is therelaxation response, you can
reach over and hold thatacupuncture point with your
thumbs.
It'll be sore and wait a coupleof minutes.
The next thing you know it'lltake that deep breath.
That deep breath is indicativeof the parasympathetic and the
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sympathetic nervous systemcoming back into the optimal
human experience.
What happens when you resolve apsychological problem for
somebody?
What do they do?
Paul Andrew (16:17):
Right, they have that deep breath and let it out
and and when and when you do aprenatal pattern right.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (16:25):
So the whole thing is the optimal human
experience.
You don't want your adrenalinelens firing, firing, firing.
You don't want a maladaptiveneurological patterns,
reverberating patterns, firing,firing, firing.
You want the optimal humanexperience, optimal health,
optimal relationships, optimalprosperity.
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You want everything to beoptimal and that's the object
and subject of our study.
Paul Andrew (16:52):
That's a perfect time to take a quick break and
just say we're about halfwaythrough this episode and if you
want to learn more about whatwe're discussing here, there's a
website,optimalhumanexperiencecom, and
what you'll find on there issome more information and as the
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website is developed, you'llfind, for the first time in
decades, you'll find access toDr Joe's material in an online
format.
Up to this point, the only wayyou could get Dr Joe's
information would be throughgroups in person or one-on-one
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sessions in person, but nowwe're putting this together in a
format that can be accessedonline.
You can learn more atoptimalhumanexperiencecom Now.
Dr Joe, earlier you and I werediscussing, before we started
recording, about the more aboutperceptual filters and the
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difference in perceptual filtersthat everybody has.
Nobody has exactly the sameperceptual filters, and you gave
an example of walking down thestreet or something my brain is
your back brain.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (18:16):
The legend has it that your nervous system
processes about two millionpieces of information at any
given moment, most of whichyou're not aware of.
For example, if I say to youwhere's your left foot, then you
become aware of it.
It goes from unconscious toconscious.
What's the temperature on yournose?
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You'll be able to tell me it'sabout 75 degrees, but until I
mentioned it you weren't awareof it.
So the real question is is whatcomes bubbles up out of this
vast number of inputs andbecomes conscious when we want
the things that we want to beconscious of to be conscious,
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and the other things not so much.
So we're walking down thestreet and I was in New York
City taking my board exams and Ihad been recently studying
Oriental diagnosis, boshin Jutsu, which is Japanese for Oriental
diagnosis, for visualobservation and before I started
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studying this, my perceptualfilters were these are just
people, they're New Yorkers,right?
And then, after I read the book, my perceptual filters changed.
I can see the ones.
They had big, swollen noses andI knew their heart was stressed
, big circles under their eyesand I knew they were having
kidney problems.
Mitsu Okushi wrote a book inwhich he said he went to meet a
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justice of the peace and he said, boy, this is going to be
fabulous.
There's a man here whounderstands justice and he
understands peace.
And he said I went into hisoffice and there was this little
guy sitting there with a bigswollen nose, swollen lips, red
ears and physiologically, and hejust was so unhealthy and it
kind of popped Mitsu Okushi'sballoon.
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But the point about perceptualfilters is you and I will walk
down the street and we will seeentirely different things.
And the billionaire who walksdown the street in Manhattan, he
doesn't look at people's noses,he will look at a building and
say, well, I can, I can holdthat building out and turn it
into apartments.
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There's another one, I can tearthat one down.
The gas station would do verywell right there.
So the question is where andwhen and how are these
perceptual filters installed?
And my observation is theearlier in experience they're
installed, the more influencethey have.
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You know, the Roman CatholicChurch says give us a child
before they're five and we willhave them forever.
They install certain perceptualfilters and one of the tools
that we have in prenatalre-imprinting is we have people
put their head down, assume theprenatal experience, the posture
, have the neurons firing intheir brain, similar to that
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early, early, early experience,and then we can plug in whatever
programming we want.
And one of the things that isreally easy to do is to help
people become more affable, tohave better rapport skills, to
be more skilled with people andto get more enjoyment out of
life.
And another one that I workwith people on is prosperity.
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There are patterns that you caninstall when people's head is
in the prenatal position thathas a profound influence on
literally on every aspect oftheir life.
But we now have the ability toliterally program the deepest
parts of the brain and have theresult that we want and it's
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delightful to behold.
Really, it's a lot of fun.
Paul Andrew (21:59):
So ultimately it gets back to.
The theory is that by assumingthe position of the prenat, of
the embryo in the womb, and it'snot just the tucking the chin
into the chest, it's the wholecurve of the spine, down even
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below the neck, that allowsaccess to that period of time,
in those parts of the brain, inthe body, in all those cells
that were developed during thatperiod.
And the theory is that youbelieve and I think I'm on the
same page with you that bycreating a different, an
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artificial but a differentexperience during some formative
period, that it actually goesback and changes those cells
that were formed at that time,that it actually regenerates
neural pathways and experiences,so that even the memory of that
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time is no longer oh, mom's notpaying attention to me, she's
thinking about something else.
But the memory becomes that no,mommy's got all her attention
on me, she's focused in her anddad or in love now, and they
can't wait for me to show up.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (23:28):
Well, it's that precisely, and this whole
thing about the prenatal periodbeing very formative and
foundational when you're arguingwith your spouse what's going
on, People will argue and thenthey'll have elevated bile salts
and hydrochloric acid fromtheir stomach.
(23:51):
It really disturbs thephysiology for people to argue,
but if you're in love and you'rein harmony and you have some
degree of rapport and things arereasonably going well, you have
an extended family that'ssomewhat supportive, you have
finances that are somewhatstable.
It's an entirely differentexperience than that of mom and
(24:15):
dad or out of rapport, and I'mbeing subjected to uric acid and
bile salts as my firstexperience in life.
Paul Andrew (24:27):
Here's my bath, here's your bath, baby, have
your bath of amniotic fluid andbile salts and all the other
things acidic and irritating.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (24:38):
One of the interesting things is I'll have
people put their head down andI'll say, how's the amniotic
fluid?
And they'll go oh, it's awful.
I'll say what's wrong and thathas been unexpectedly over and
over again.
They'll say mom is smoking andit really, really disturbs the
(24:59):
pre-nate.
It's not a nice experience.
So all of the evidence we havein working with prenatal
re-imprinting is anecdotal andit is close to 100%, as you can
get right on the money.
Early in the day, when I wasjust starting working with
prenatal re-imprinting, everyonce in a while I'd find
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somebody that put their headdown and we could not get the
prenatal memory.
And so what I would do is Iwould go back and I would
re-anchor.
I would anchor kinestheticallywith a light touch on the
shoulder or squeeze, and then Iwould turn my head just slightly
and pick one of their ears leftor right, and I would talk to
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them about the emotion that theywere trying to resolve, with a
specific tonality and a specificlocation and with a redundancy
of anchoring.
I would fire off thekinesthetic anchor, I would use
the tonal anchor and I would usethe spatial location of my
voice.
Every one of those.
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Those people would go oh yeah,here's what was going on.
My mother and father,da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
So sometimes just putting theirhead down and assuming the
prenatal posture isn't enoughand there's a learning curve.
People have to learn to go back, you know, 50 years and if you
help them by firing off ananchor associated with that
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feeling and using a tone ofvoice associated with that
feeling and a spatial locationfor the direction of your voice,
my experience is, these dayseverybody just goes immediately
right back to the prenatalmemory.
Paul Andrew (26:40):
That established the prenatal experience and, and
that was the initial imprintingexperience, and, more
specifically, what you'retalking about is if someone's
struggling with some particularemotion that they feel
frequently, that they don't like, that's not helping them.
(27:00):
This is what you're talkingabout.
Say more about setting ananchor and how that works in
working with some specificemotional state.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (27:10):
Well, you know, we're working with the
optimal human experience, right,and so you've got two sides of
the coin.
People can come in and say I'vegot this and here's how I'm
broken, I feel bad and I feelinadequate.
Those are, you know, reparativetherapeutic techniques.
But the other side of the coinis what?
(27:31):
It's, generative.
And they'll come in and they'llsay well, I'm good at this, I'd
like to be better.
I go wow, I'm good at makingmoney, I'd like to even be
better.
I'd good at working with people, I'd like to be better.
And you can always put theminto the prenatal position, gain
access to the deeppaleocortical structures of the
most primitive part of the brainand plug in some more fully
(27:56):
adaptive, dynamic, powerful,optimal human experience
reference structures.
Then that's really a lot of fun.
Okay, and that sounds good.
Paul Andrew (28:09):
But what I didn't hear is say more about this
setting and anchor.
So you mentioned like a squeezeon the shoulder or some
kinesthetic anchor.
Just say more, just explainthat.
We've got a few minutes left,but just to clarify that a
little bit.
You know what?
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (28:29):
did Pavlov do with the dogs?
He put a bowl of food in frontof them.
They salivated and he rang abell.
From that point forward,anytime you rang a bell, what
happened?
They would salivate.
They would salivate, right.
Actually, what happened was,whenever Pavlov rang a bell, he
would find graduate studentslooking around the laboratory
(28:50):
trying to find dogs.
Right, because everything can bean anchor or a Pavlovian
stimulus response reflex arc.
And this is very, very simple.
But sometimes it's actuallydifficult to learn that
everything can be an anchor.
So people would say to me Ifeel sad.
(29:11):
Now I'd reach over and I'd setI would touch their shoulder
with a specific, precise, exacttouch, and then I would let it
go.
And then, whenever I wantedthem to access that feeling, I'd
reach over and I would touchexactly that same place.
And if I set my anchor andtimed it right and touched it,
(29:33):
exactly the same, the samefeelings would come up.
And if their head was down andthey were in the prenatal, it
would help them do atransderivational search and
drift back in their memory tothe time when they felt that
sadness for the very first time.
Okay, okay, right, and you canuse.
(29:54):
Any stimulus can become pairedwith any response.
Sometimes I'll see somebodywalk in the door and they'll be
sad or angry or whatever, andit's not even time to start
doing any work.
I'll just go and I will anchorthe internal state that they've
(30:15):
got, I will pair it with andthey don't know that's a covert
anchor and they'll sit down andthey'll say well, doctor, I'm
having problems with so and so,and I'll say, all right, we'll
put your head down and I'll fireoff the anchor and if I have
the right emotional state peggedand they're available for it
(30:38):
and everything is just right,that emotional state and the
memory that caused it for themto feel that for the very first
time will come right up.
Paul Andrew (30:49):
So.
So then just you notice thatthey're in a particular
emotional state when they'rewalking in the door.
You set this audible anchor andand it's not like they're going
okay, set the anchor now.
No, you set the anchor whenthey're walking and, and you're
(31:10):
able to use that, fire it offand it takes them right back to
that emotional state.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (31:15):
Right back to you know, couples will have a
song that they, that they enjoydancing to during the first days
of their relationship and thatbecomes known as what Our song.
They're playing our song, honey.
Remember when I had my, I hadmy red slippers on and you had
your bow tie, and remember itacts as an anchor, right?
(31:37):
What happens when a plane fliesoverhead and you?
You don't see it because it'sabove the clouds, but you hear
it and you turn to your wife andyou say you know, remember when
we went to Hawaii last year, weflew to Hawaii.
I'd like to do that again,right?
So these anchors, we live in asea of anchors and if you
(31:58):
utilize them, you can, you cando all kinds of things.
The most, one of the mostthings, fun things to do, is
have people think about earning,you know, a living, being
prosperous, and anchor feelingsof creativity, neurological
activity associated withcreativity, and then fire that
off as they're thinking abouttheir job, their business.
(32:20):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Paul Andrew (32:22):
So they get more creative about prosperity and
making money yeah.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (32:27):
And you can do this now we have the tools to
do it deliberately,deliberately, not accidentally.
We and this is behavioralengineering, and I really mean
behavioral engineering we canengineer your experience to a
very significant degree.
Paul Andrew (32:44):
Okay, that's about, uh, that's about our time here
and that's a nice note to end on.
So that that ends episode whatare we on?
Episode five of the optimalhuman experience with Dr Joseph
Deruzza, and we will see younext time.
Now just back to Pavlov andthose dogs.
(33:07):
I didn't realize this, but Iread something where they were
collecting the saliva they.
That's why he was making thosedogs salivate, because they were
collecting it.
And then they give it.
They give it to people to helptheir digestion.
Ugh.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (33:26):
Ugh, did you know that?
Yeah, yeah I.
I heard that I didn't dwell onit.
It wasn't something thatfascinated me.
It's horrible.
I didn't think about it all thetime.
I didn't think about it all thetime.
Paul Andrew (33:36):
Well, not all the time, but you know, deserved a
couple of minutes of disgust.
Dr Joseph Diruzzo (33:40):
No, this one, you know.
Another thing they're doing isthey're taking shit out of
people who are healthy andputting you're shooting it.
You know they're using like aturkey baster.
You're shooting it into thecolons of people who are sick.
Paul Andrew (33:53):
Okay, well, I've actually done that.
I want to talk to you about it.
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