October 2, 2023 • 39 mins
Life is difficult, life is hard... but does it HAVE to be? Maybe not so much, especially with the tools we have available to achieve the Optimal Human Experience.
Explore how telomeres, those shoelace-like ends of our chromosomes, play a significant role in the aging process. From the effect of stress on the Hayflick limit to the implications this holds for our daily lives, our discussion will leave you reconsidering your life's pace.
Finally, get ready to examine the power of emotional states and their impact on our well-being. From the implications of using drugs to alter perceptual filters, to the potential healing power of prenatal experiences, we'll delve deep into the science of emotion. Our explorations include cell receptor site coding for certain emotion molecules and the importance of neuropeptide release for fostering positive patterns.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is the Optimal Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to episode 6 of the Optimal Human Experience
Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul Andrew and I considermyself kind of like the
ringmaster of this podcast,because these conversations
could go just about anywhere.
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It could be in that ring orthat ring or the third ring.
It's a three ring circus aroundhere, folks, and my job is just
to try and keep it, if notunder the big top, at least
somewhere inside the fairgrounds.
But the one thing you can counton it's always a barrel of fun.
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So, optimal Human Experience,dr Joseph DiRuzzo, what do you
want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's difficult to pick something that we can talk
about.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's just difficult, that's all.
It is hard, isn't it?
Yeah, it's very hard.
It's not only hard, it'sdifficult and hard.
And sometimes the difficultymakes it even harder.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Life is difficult.
I've heard it said.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It just is.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And once you just accept that life is difficult
and you're going to get yourbutt kicked all for your entire
lifetime, it's a little easierto endure, because then you
realize it's just the way it is.
Now the road less traveled withDr Scott M Peck, the
psychiatrist.
He wrote then.
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He just said life is difficult.
The Buddhists say life issuffering.
But is that the way it is?
I mean, why would it be thatway?
Is that the way it is foreveryone?
All?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
the time.
Well, let me think about that.
Yeah, pretty much.
Everything's hard, everything'sdifficult, Everybody all the
time.
No, of course not, of coursenot.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It is so informative to see videotape footage of
primitive people who are in amore natural setting and for a
lot of them life really is justa barrel of monkeys.
I mean, they're just having agreat time.
We're talking to each other andout hunting and looking around
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and sometimes hunting monkeys.
Sometimes hunting monkeys aredigging up roots to eat and the
odd thing is not everybody allthe time.
But there are groups that are,for the most part, actually
pretty much in rapport and theydon't have a lot of contention
in their issues.
They all pretty much agree thatthe rivers over there and the
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deserts over there, and it'sbetter to have shelter and it's
better to have food and it'sbetter to have a fire.
They don't, they don't have,you know, they don't argue
Republicans versus Democrat,capitalist versus communist.
They don't have those arguments.
Matter of fact, they reallydon't have too many arguments at
all and when they cooperatethey do better.
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They have more game, they havemore to eat, they have a fire,
they have firewood.
When they cooperate, each ofthem on an individual basis can
really say I do better becauseI'm with this group and I do
better because I'm in rapportwith people in this group and we
all have similar values.
So the question must arise isfor everybody, like this whole
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thing is.
Life is difficult.
If you look at people in anunguarded moment, you know you
take your sanity, if not yourlife, into your own hands and
watch people's faces.
And I saw, I saw this youngwoman and she had died, part of
her hair green and part of herhair purple, and she had put a
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bone through her nose, tattooedher neck and was lying on the
ground screaming and thrashingaround and kicking the ground
with her feet.
And I said, my goodness, thisis really not what I had in mind
when I thought about theoptimal human experience.
What's going on here?
And if we apply our primarytool, prenatal re-imprinting, we
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do a little analysis using ouranchoring techniques from neuro
linguistic programming.
First of all, let's just let'sjust review the, the fundamental
dog of prenatal re-imprinting.
A sperm eats an egg, makes afertilized ovum that divides
into two cells, four cells,eight cells, 16 cells and when
it reaches the 32 cell stage, iscalled a blastilla.
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At that point the inner cellmass of the blastilla begins to
spread out rostrally and tautilytoward the head and toward the
feet and immediately front formsthe neural plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the human body is nervous
tissue and at that pointpersonality structure begins to
be established as a series ofsimple Pavlovian stimulus
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response reflex arcs.
And all of the problems thatpeople have in life without
exception are the end results ofmaladaptive reflexes
established prenatally in theprenatal period under conditions
of maternal or fetal distress,and I challenge people to prove
this or disprove it.
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But you will find that's thecase over and over and over
again.
So life is difficult.
Let's take two differentscenarios.
We'll take one 50,000 years agoA young woman has gotten
pregnant.
She doesn't have any guilt orshame about pregnancy or sex and
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her parents are supportive ofthe process of the pregnancy, or
in-laws or supportive.
Everybody in the tribe isdelighted.
There's more, there's going tobe babies and the tribe is going
to continue.
And she is giving birth and outcomes a little baby and she
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takes it and puts her on herbreast and the baby begins to
suckle.
Everybody is as best as can bereally happy.
I mean, it's the idealsituation, but that happened
quite often.
Now, comparing contrast thatwhere a woman goes to a big
brick building and there areplenty of right angles in that
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area, all of the buildings havefloors and there's all these
right angles.
Notice sometime, if you sit bya river and notice the fractal
patterns in the river, theydon't have any right angles.
And then you go to a city andguess what happens?
It's right angles everywhere.
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It's right angles everywhereand it's extremely stressful.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Harsh right angles and loads of stress.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Loads of stress and you can find sharp angles in
crystal structures, but you walkinto a forest and there aren't
any right angles.
You go and look at a stream,and there aren't any right
angles.
Look at a tree, look at aflower, there's patterns, but
there aren't any right angles.
Right angles are extremelyupsetting.
They're harsh.
So, anyway, she goes into aOBGYN doctor's office and the
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person sitting behind the deskhas, you know, subclinical
cancer, diabetes, you name it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
She's metabolic syndrome.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Metabolic syndrome.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
She's under eye she looks like a raccoon Yep
metabolic syndrome.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
She's very much overweight and very unhealthy.
And so our gal walks up andsays, hi, I'm here and I've got
an appointment.
And the assistant there says,okay, please have a, have a,
pick some right angles to makeyourself uncomfortable with and
go sit next to them.
And so she goes and there's a.
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You know, there's a time whenshe sees the doctor in the early
days of industrialization.
Do you know what was reallystressed people the most?
What's?
That they had to be to work ontime.
Oh, on time, on time.
They had never like, theydidn't have this concept of
being to work.
Everybody had to be there ateight o'clock.
It was very stressful.
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It took a lot to take apastoral type of people who you
know more or less.
It was sunup when they got up,give or take 20 minutes and make
them come and punch a clock andbe on time.
So there's another stressor andevery time a person is stressed
it affects their lungs, theirlarge intestine, their stomach,
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their spleen, small intestine,bladder, kidney, gallbladder,
liver, thyroid, adrenals.
It shortens the number ofHaiflich replications they can
go through.
It's a stress.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Say more about that.
The Haiflich limitation, whatis the Haiflich limit?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
There was a doctor who I spoke to not all that long
ago, dr Leonard Haiflich, andhe discovered, back in the 60s,
I believe, that humanfibroblasts go through
approximately 52 replicationsand then they become senescent
and then they die, and that isknown as the Haiflich limit.
Now, if you get enough cellsthat die, what happens to you
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overall?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, you're not far behind, since you're made of
cells.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Follow the yellow brick road.
So he really made a hugecontribution.
And the Haiflich limit is veryimportant.
You know, when I go to seminarsand sell in molecular biology,
I will ask people with PhDs andmaster's degrees and sell and
I'll say, tell me what you knowabout the Haiflich limit and
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they'll say I never heard of it.
It is absolutely foundational ifyou're going to understand
longevity.
So one model that I likebecause it's nice and clean and
neat, says that we're born withapproximately 7,500 base pairs
in our telomeres right T-A-G-G,t-a-g-g, t-a-g-g, t-a-g-g, over
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and over and over again.
And when it's time for a cellto replicate, the chromosome
opens up and Mother Naturearranges it so that a primer
goes in and sits on the end ofthe chromosome and then an
enzyme, dna polymerase two, fitsin right on one side of the
primer and then copieseverything all the way back.
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What does it not copy?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I'm going to guess something having to do with the
telomeres, but that's a guess.
Where the primer sits, on thechromosome doesn't get copied,
which is at the end of the-.
Which is at the end.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
All right.
So you've been to Grand CentralStation and you've seen where a
train comes in and there's astop at the end of the track, so
the train doesn't fall off theend of the track.
Well, that stop is hooked ontothe track, it's bolted on the
track and it's a short segmentand the train can't use it.
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But if it isn't there then thetrain would fall off the track.
But it's not really usabletrack.
So when the chromosome opens upand the primer sits on the
chromosome that's similar to theblocking piece on the end of
the railroad track.
Then the DNA polymerase twocomes in, sits on it, copies
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everything all the way back.
There's usually 150 base pairsapproximately underneath the
segment covered by the primer.
So every time we have areplication we lose
approximately how much 150 basepairs, 150, okay, 150 base pairs
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, all right.
So you've got 7500 base pairs.
You start out with what's theHayflick limit?
Approximately 50.
52.
, 52.
All right, so do the math 50goes into 7500, 150, 150 times
that, that, that, that you lose6 billion, 42.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Oh math, you're math in my head.
You're trying to get me to doyeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You lose 150 base pairs.
You have approximately 50replications.
That works out to 7500.
That's your telomere.
That's the mechanism of agingand that's why we age slowly and
not all at once.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And so the point.
The point is as, as a, becauseI've heard it said that the
every cell in your body isreplaced over a period of about
of about seven years orsomething like.
So You're not the same personyou were a number of years ago,
because every cell is replacedperiodically.
You know, I've heard I've heard.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I've heard that many times, but it's not.
It's not the mechanism we'retalking about and looking at
right here.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh great.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And I and I don't think it's correct.
I, you know, I think DrHayflick's material really is is
right on the money.
Well then you've, you've gotthe telomere and then the other
side of the telomere, you've gotthe sub-telomeric area right,
and then you've got theperitelomeric area, and as the
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chromosome gets eroded with thereplications and you get into
the, into the part of thechromosome that codes for
protein synthesis and geneexpression.
And as we age you know, I was,I was with a little old lady the
other day and she's going intosenile dementia and it's still
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her.
But inside of every one of hercells those chromosomes are just
slowly, slowly, slowlyshortening and the proteins that
are generated as a result ofher gene expression.
Why do?
Why do older people have, youknow, skin that it's?
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It's because the proteinsthey're generating are not
healthy.
They don't come off a fullchromosome, they come off of
chromosome that has been worndown by the Hayflick limit, the
Hayflick phenomena.
I've heard it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I've heard it described also that the
telomeres the longer yourtelomeres, the longer your
lifespan, your longevity.
And I've heard it described asshoelaces the little plastic
parts on the end of theshoelaces.
If you wear shoelaces a longtime, those things tend to wear
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out and get all fluffy andscraggly and and wear out, we'll
be, we'll be into you if yourchromosomes get scruffy and try
that Exactly Scruffy.
So that's a science, that's ascience term.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That is as good a a explanation as you can get.
I mean, it's like the littleplastic clips on the end of a
shoelace and as they wear out,you know.
Then you got problems.
So stress tends to turn cellsover faster, which means the
Hayflick limit comes up faster.
And you look at people who'vebeen stressed.
You know people that wentthrough concentration camps.
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A lot of them died, they lost alot of weight, they looked
terribly stressed and thenshortly thereafter they went
away.
So the point is the less stresswe have and the more ease and
comfort we have and the fewerright angles and the more time
we spend with people who love usand are like us, the better
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your life and your health andthe closer to the optimal human
experience will you will youhave in your life.
So here's our prenatalcommentary you got a mother
who's like stressed out of hermind, but it's usual, it's
normal.
In other words, it's normal forpeople to jump on a car and go
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60 miles an hour and then gomeet somebody they don't know is
dressed all in white andsitting in a room that's all
right angles and talk to peoplewho are horribly ill.
But nobody acknowledges it andthat's usual I would have people
say to me I'd say, what are youeating for breakfast?
They'd say, oh, good food,usual stuff.
And I'd say, really, what doyou eat for breakfast?
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They go, well, you know milk oncereal and plenty of sugar and
you know just white toast onwhite bread with plenty of
margarine Good stuff.
You know standards.
I said you know.
You know, in the hisphysiologic history of Homo
sapiens that has never been upto this modern era, that has
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never been even remotelyacknowledged as food Right.
So the point is, the point iswe live these really artificial
lives and if you look at peoplein an art and guarded moment,
they are experiencing far fromthe optimal human experience,
right.
And then they go and they havethe.
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They have a gestation period inwhich mom and dad fight each
other and the uterus is, mom isunder stress, so the uterus does
what clamps down, right, and sowhen it comes time to be born,
it's like an ordeal, and thecomplex generalization that pops
into their little head at thedeepest level is life is
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difficult.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Oh, ok, we're.
That's about halfway through.
We're going to break for onesecond and we're going to come
back and discuss how life isdifficult, especially from the
earliest moments of development.
But first, if you're interestedin what we're talking about,
you can go listen to any of theother podcasts there on all the
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So look for that and again goto the website.
There's more videos there andwe're also putting together
different courses and trainingthat for the first time in
decades, you can have access toin an online format.
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Up to this point, dr Joe hasonly worked with people in
groups in person or in one onone sessions, but now we're
putting it together in a formatfor online use.
Now back to life is difficult.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, you have.
You have this little infant inthis uterus and the molecules of
emotion or stress and so on andso forth, so complex
generalization that this persongets.
His life is difficult and youknow that is really very much
supported by the life we lead.
And you just look at the thefaces in an unguarded moment, of
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most people on the street andit's pretty obvious that life is
difficult.
Do you remember FrederickLeboye?
He was a Frenchman.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You're shocked.
Leboye was the Frenchman.
So he had all these women havethe the gentle, gentle birthing,
the Leboye method of, am Icorrect?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, Again.
Well, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Leboye.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So he had these women have their birth in a nice warm
water and there, you know,there were some sterility issues
that that nurses, you know,wondered about.
But nonetheless I saw somepictures of some of these kids
being born and when they poppedout you know it was not they
were not reeking of the feelingthat life is difficult.
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So it was good it was good.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So the point is, I think what you're trying to say
is that, shockingly, theexperience that the prenat has,
even from the as far back as themoment of conception, I mean
certainly when the neural tissuestarts forming at about the 32
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cell stage.
That because you made you madea comment about molecules of
emotion and you've talked aboutthat before.
My understanding is themolecules of emotion are when
someone has an emotionalreaction, whether it's positive
or negative.
There are chemicals, there areneuropeptides and peptides that
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that are produced and theycirculate through the system.
And so at that point, if you'vegot this little developing baby
, the baby is going to createcells with cell receptor sites.
That code for whatever isfloating around in the in the
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system.
Am I on?
Am I remembering this correctly, because that was a couple
episodes ago?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And whatever they're immersed in, they will become
sensitized to and look for.
And you know the ever hear theold saying I married my mother.
Oh yeah, really.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, I said that too .
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, you know and the interesting thing is this
this harks to a concept of, likeyou know, a lot of people are
using drugs these days and theywill say to me hey man, you want
to talk, I'm getting stoned.
And I go no, really, I'm okay,I'm, you know, I'm fine.
They go no man, you know I'mshooting up, you want to hit,
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I'll give you a, you know we'll.
You know, come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And when was the last time someone came up to you
today, dr Joe, I'm shooting upman you want to hit.
Hey, come on, get some, getyour stuff you would be
surprised.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, I would be, but you know, I well, I hang out,
or I was hanging out with ayounger crowd for a little while
and on, you know, it all wentto jail or dead.
And and but though.
But I've done so much prenatalre imprinting that the molecules
of emotion and most of themolecules that run around inside
of me are actually pretty good.
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So I'm not like terriblybundled out all the time and I
don't need to get stoned and Idon't need to get high and I
it's not, it's not on my menuand I it would be a diminution
of my emotional state.
I would actually feel worse.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So you don't need to to chemically alter your your
perceptual filters in order tofeel like you might be
approaching normalcy, like no.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm, I'm, I'm hunting down the optimal human
experience, and that is, youknow, your perceptual, emotional
, your internal states, and I, Ione time I had a really high
blood pressure and I stopped ata dock in the box place, and I
got some Benzo diazepines.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You know what they are Benny's, benny's that's like
Valium and yeah, it was Valiumwas injectable Valium shot me up
with that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Whoa, whoa, this is wonderful.
And I realized I mean they'reknown as being highly addictive.
I said this stuff is wonderfuland it's so wonderful it's bad.
I never, never, touched thisstuff again.
That was.
I won't say it was a mistakebecause I'm not addictable, but
I can see where people would beaddicted to it and I would just
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say to them put your head down.
Imagine your mother and fatherare deeply in love and they love
each other and they've got alltheir attention on you.
How does that feel?
And you know people will walkin and they'll be like you know,
and I'll say, here, put yourhead down and tell me what.
What's it like to have yourmother and father, you know, be
okay about being in the sameroom with one another?
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And they'll go oh yeah, that'sokay.
And then what happens if momand dad hug and you're in the
middle there and it's nice andwarm and safe.
And so we begin plugging ingenerative patterns in the
prenatal experience and the nextthing you know, is life
difficult.
No, it's not so bad.
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You know, you start healingfrom the report deprivation
sickness and you start gettingsome allies and your, your
loving maid is actually a lovingmaid and you're not nervous all
the time because you know yourparents were worried about the
Vietnam wars or some sometragedy that was imminent.
And then people start toexperience the optimal human
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experience, or at least closerto it.
I had.
I had a delightful young lady.
She was in her fifties and herlife had been one disaster after
another, repeated over and overand over again.
And I did some prenatal workwith her and she took a deep
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breath and she let it all out.
And I said how is that?
She said it's wonderful, it'smuch better.
I said well, what, what?
What did you experience?
And she thought from a momentand she said it was a letting go
, a letting go.
And I said you know, you'reabsolutely right.
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It was a letting go, wasn't it?
And she said yes, soeverybody's going to have their
own code words for it, you know,but for a lot of people, guess
what it is.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's a letting go which makes sense when you think
about it.
I'm I keep going back to thatthat cell cellular level, with
the cell receptor sites.
They're coded for thosemolecules of emotion that the
mother experienced when she waspregnant, whether it was anger
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or frustration, or you know,she's chain smoking cigarettes,
and there's all those cellreceptors it's looking for those
neuropeptides to read, torecreate, recapitulate that
feeling that they had for thevery first time when they were
developing.
So it makes perfect sense thatwhen you, when they go through a
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prenatal session and put in andinstall a generative pattern,
well what happens to those cellreceptors?
They have to let go of thoseneuropeptides to make room for
the other positive neuropeptidesto come in, and so she can go.
Oh my gosh, that feels betterBecause from my experience
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that's very often the case oneof those generative patterns and
you work through somethingthat's been bugging you your
whole life and it it lets go.
I mean it has to be happeningon the cellular level.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It has to be happening at the level of cell
receptor sites and thespecificity thereof.
You know it's so crazy.
If your mother was a worry wart, guess what kind of a woman
you're going to marry.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I don't know.
I don't know I'm a littleconcerned about, I'm a little
worried, but I don't think, youknow, it shouldn't be that bad,
should it?
It's not gonna be that bad, isit?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I mean, it's you know .
And to think that RichardBanneler said one time to think
that it takes a lot of audacityto think that if subatomic
particles move in a fashionthat's non random, it takes a
lot of audacity to think thatour emotions and our perceptions
are just random.
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They're not.
They come out of your prenatalperiod and and they're
remarkably logically consistent.
That's why everybody says Imarried my mother Right.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Because they did.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, they looked for somebody who would generate in
them the same set of emotionalstates, the same molecules of
emotion that mom did, and thenthey're all set there and they
can recapitulate for an entirelifetime the circumstances of
the prenatal experience andevery day, for every meal.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's a big bowl of recapitulation molecules, of
emotion stew Pretty much havesome pretty much, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
if you ask any accountant say, is the 1040 form
the earnings record for yourclients, does it change much
from year to year?
What will they say?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, for the most part I would think it's not.
It's pretty consistent.
Once they're in a job andthey're working, they're just
kind of stays pretty within arange.
It'll be in that range.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I mean, it's the same with everything and it's
because the molecules of emotion, perception, under, under the
circumstances, you have yourprenatal period, they pretty
much everything stays prettymuch the same.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, again, which makes it I'm going to interrupt
you again, being the ringmaster,I'm going to interrupt you
again, which is letting go.
Which you got to let, go, justto let you know you want to let
go.
Allow yourself to beinterrupted.
Well, I remember years andyears and years ago, I listened
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to one of those.
It was nightingale conant,which had all of these different
training tapes and selfdevelopment tapes and there was
one by a guy named DennisWaitley, if I remember and he
talked about.
He talked about the reticularactivating system, which is
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essentially this thermostat inyour brain in your brain, which
makes perfect sense.
So you married your mother andyour your your loving mate, who
is your mother, generates thesame neuropeptides and same same
emotional stew that youexperienced while you were a
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prenat.
And you know what.
If it gets, if it gets too low,if there's not enough of them,
what do you do?
You go and you find thetriggers to push so that she can
, you know, push your buttonsand get you back into that state
that, oh, okay, now we're,we're in this, we're in this
narrow band, we're in this.
We're in the optimal state forinsanity and recapitulation.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
In statistics it's known as regression to the mean.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah within one standard deviation, typically.
And where are standarddeviations?
Oh, no, that's you can'ttolerate that.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Where?
Where are the tides the highestin on earth?
The Bay of Fundy right up inNova Scotia.
Yeah, I was about to say that.
Well, the tights are roaring inand but they only go so high
and then they roar out.
And every time they roar in orroar out, it's a what a
regression to the mean is things.
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Yeah, things don't get too farout of whack.
Dave Dobson used to say applesdon't fall far from the tree.
So the real question is if wewant to experience the optimal
human experience, what do we do?
Oh, we started doing a littlegenerative work with the
prenatal material, and thenicest thing is to have an
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internal guided fantasy whereyour mother is just in a nice
warm place Maybe she's outsideon the on the porch sitting in a
nice soft chair.
It's a beautiful day, the windis is just enough to brush the
leaves, and the air is fresh andsweet, and she's having a
wonderful time eating a largepiece of fresh watermelon.
(32:44):
And right, and it begins to putyou into a trance already.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Since you like watermelon when my mom eats it.
Yeah yeah and yeah, there'ssomething about being in that
prenatal position.
We talked about that in thelast episode.
We'll get into it again, I'msure.
And boy, imagining that that'swhat's going on and the
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attention's on the, on you asthe baby boy howdy, doesn't get
much better than that.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
It's, it's surprisingly effective.
I mean, I have people who arejust the you know, they're
wildly upset and I'll say themokay, I got it.
You're wildly upset, take adeep breath, let it out, put
your head down and imagine yourmother's got her hand on her
tummy and she's thinking aboutyou, and they will calm down and
just go.
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It's the coolest thing.
Yeah, it is cool.
There is probably nothing worsefor the prenat than for the
parents to be in a state ofdenial regarding the pregnancy.
I mean, you know, and peoplethey'll say to me I've, I'm
lonely all the time.
I don't say all the time.
They go yeah, all the time,yeah, every second.
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You know yeah.
And every time when they're in acrowd and guess what, they're
lonely.
And this has been kind of thesubject of existential.
You know, writing for a longtime.
People feel lonely, they havelead the lives of quiet,
desperation.
And how is that that we didn'tconnect the dots?
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I mean, mom and dad are both.
They both professionals, theyboth have careers.
They don't want a pregnancy andthey go around going I can't be
pregnant, no, I'm not pregnant.
And and what happens?
Person is born terminal, lonelyreport, deprivation installed
when in the prenatal period, andboy, is that a bugger.
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And then they marry six oreight or 10 or 12 or 15 people
or they'll have lovers.
And once, you know, I said tosomebody the other day, once the
body count gets above 20 or 30thousand, you know the bloom and
pen is off the rose.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know it's hard to it's hard to pair bond after
it's just not quite the same Now.
You didn't really say I sensehyperbole.
I think that's a no, I said no.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Really I said that to Randy Kelton.
He might want other people likethat.
I said sure, yeah, we'llchamber.
We'll change it.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
OK, that's.
That's it for episode six ofthe life is difficult human
experience.
Oh boy, yeah, it is difficult,so we'll.
We'll see you next time on theoptimal human experience podcast
with Dr Joseph Geruso and thiswhole thing about body count
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it's it seems like that's whatit seems to be a very common
topic of discussion, which iskind of weird in a way, isn't it
?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Or maybe it is?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Maybe I'm weird and it's the.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
it's the big thing for the guys.
I mean, you know, theirprobability of reproductive
success, of their offspring, youknow, goes down when the woman
has a high body count.
Oh yeah, horses, the horses arehigher with women with high
body counts.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That I read.
I read the story the other dayabout this might have been some
celebrity, was quite the sportsguy or something who had you
know two or three kids and theguy raised them as his own and
turns out it was one of his kids.
It was his best friend's kids,who his wife had been having
this.
Oh God, you know, guys, this is, oh, I see, I see, how's my kid
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?
I mean, you're good.
Whoa.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to episode 6 of the Optimal Human Experience
Podcast with Dr Joseph DiRuzzo.
I'm Paul Andrew and I considermyself kind of like the
ringmaster of this podcast,because these conversations
could go just about anywhere.
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It could be in that ring orthat ring or the third ring.
It's a three ring circus aroundhere, folks, and my job is just
to try and keep it, if notunder the big top, at least
somewhere inside the fairgrounds.
But the one thing you can counton it's always a barrel of fun.
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So, optimal Human Experience,dr Joseph DiRuzzo, what do you
want to talk about?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's difficult to pick something that we can talk
about.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's just difficult, that's all.
It is hard, isn't it?
Yeah, it's very hard.
It's not only hard, it'sdifficult and hard.
And sometimes the difficultymakes it even harder.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Life is difficult.
I've heard it said.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It just is.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And once you just accept that life is difficult
and you're going to get yourbutt kicked all for your entire
lifetime, it's a little easierto endure, because then you
realize it's just the way it is.
Now the road less traveled withDr Scott M Peck, the
psychiatrist.
He wrote then.
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He just said life is difficult.
The Buddhists say life issuffering.
But is that the way it is?
I mean, why would it be thatway?
Is that the way it is foreveryone?
All?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
the time.
Well, let me think about that.
Yeah, pretty much.
Everything's hard, everything'sdifficult, Everybody all the
time.
No, of course not, of coursenot.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It is so informative to see videotape footage of
primitive people who are in amore natural setting and for a
lot of them life really is justa barrel of monkeys.
I mean, they're just having agreat time.
We're talking to each other andout hunting and looking around
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and sometimes hunting monkeys.
Sometimes hunting monkeys aredigging up roots to eat and the
odd thing is not everybody allthe time.
But there are groups that are,for the most part, actually
pretty much in rapport and theydon't have a lot of contention
in their issues.
They all pretty much agree thatthe rivers over there and the
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deserts over there, and it'sbetter to have shelter and it's
better to have food and it'sbetter to have a fire.
They don't, they don't have,you know, they don't argue
Republicans versus Democrat,capitalist versus communist.
They don't have those arguments.
Matter of fact, they reallydon't have too many arguments at
all and when they cooperatethey do better.
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They have more game, they havemore to eat, they have a fire,
they have firewood.
When they cooperate, each ofthem on an individual basis can
really say I do better becauseI'm with this group and I do
better because I'm in rapportwith people in this group and we
all have similar values.
So the question must arise isfor everybody, like this whole
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thing is.
Life is difficult.
If you look at people in anunguarded moment, you know you
take your sanity, if not yourlife, into your own hands and
watch people's faces.
And I saw, I saw this youngwoman and she had died, part of
her hair green and part of herhair purple, and she had put a
(04:16):
bone through her nose, tattooedher neck and was lying on the
ground screaming and thrashingaround and kicking the ground
with her feet.
And I said, my goodness, thisis really not what I had in mind
when I thought about theoptimal human experience.
What's going on here?
And if we apply our primarytool, prenatal re-imprinting, we
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do a little analysis using ouranchoring techniques from neuro
linguistic programming.
First of all, let's just let'sjust review the, the fundamental
dog of prenatal re-imprinting.
A sperm eats an egg, makes afertilized ovum that divides
into two cells, four cells,eight cells, 16 cells and when
it reaches the 32 cell stage, iscalled a blastilla.
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At that point the inner cellmass of the blastilla begins to
spread out rostrally and tautilytoward the head and toward the
feet and immediately front formsthe neural plate.
The first differentiated tissueof the human body is nervous
tissue and at that pointpersonality structure begins to
be established as a series ofsimple Pavlovian stimulus
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response reflex arcs.
And all of the problems thatpeople have in life without
exception are the end results ofmaladaptive reflexes
established prenatally in theprenatal period under conditions
of maternal or fetal distress,and I challenge people to prove
this or disprove it.
(05:50):
But you will find that's thecase over and over and over
again.
So life is difficult.
Let's take two differentscenarios.
We'll take one 50,000 years agoA young woman has gotten
pregnant.
She doesn't have any guilt orshame about pregnancy or sex and
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her parents are supportive ofthe process of the pregnancy, or
in-laws or supportive.
Everybody in the tribe isdelighted.
There's more, there's going tobe babies and the tribe is going
to continue.
And she is giving birth and outcomes a little baby and she
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takes it and puts her on herbreast and the baby begins to
suckle.
Everybody is as best as can bereally happy.
I mean, it's the idealsituation, but that happened
quite often.
Now, comparing contrast thatwhere a woman goes to a big
brick building and there areplenty of right angles in that
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area, all of the buildings havefloors and there's all these
right angles.
Notice sometime, if you sit bya river and notice the fractal
patterns in the river, theydon't have any right angles.
And then you go to a city andguess what happens?
It's right angles everywhere.
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It's right angles everywhereand it's extremely stressful.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Harsh right angles and loads of stress.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Loads of stress and you can find sharp angles in
crystal structures, but you walkinto a forest and there aren't
any right angles.
You go and look at a stream,and there aren't any right
angles.
Look at a tree, look at aflower, there's patterns, but
there aren't any right angles.
Right angles are extremelyupsetting.
They're harsh.
So, anyway, she goes into aOBGYN doctor's office and the
(07:49):
person sitting behind the deskhas, you know, subclinical
cancer, diabetes, you name it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
She's metabolic syndrome.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Metabolic syndrome.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
She's under eye she looks like a raccoon Yep
metabolic syndrome.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
She's very much overweight and very unhealthy.
And so our gal walks up andsays, hi, I'm here and I've got
an appointment.
And the assistant there says,okay, please have a, have a,
pick some right angles to makeyourself uncomfortable with and
go sit next to them.
And so she goes and there's a.
(08:25):
You know, there's a time whenshe sees the doctor in the early
days of industrialization.
Do you know what was reallystressed people the most?
What's?
That they had to be to work ontime.
Oh, on time, on time.
They had never like, theydidn't have this concept of
being to work.
Everybody had to be there ateight o'clock.
It was very stressful.
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It took a lot to take apastoral type of people who you
know more or less.
It was sunup when they got up,give or take 20 minutes and make
them come and punch a clock andbe on time.
So there's another stressor andevery time a person is stressed
it affects their lungs, theirlarge intestine, their stomach,
(09:08):
their spleen, small intestine,bladder, kidney, gallbladder,
liver, thyroid, adrenals.
It shortens the number ofHaiflich replications they can
go through.
It's a stress.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Say more about that.
The Haiflich limitation, whatis the Haiflich limit?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
There was a doctor who I spoke to not all that long
ago, dr Leonard Haiflich, andhe discovered, back in the 60s,
I believe, that humanfibroblasts go through
approximately 52 replicationsand then they become senescent
and then they die, and that isknown as the Haiflich limit.
Now, if you get enough cellsthat die, what happens to you
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overall?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well, you're not far behind, since you're made of
cells.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Follow the yellow brick road.
So he really made a hugecontribution.
And the Haiflich limit is veryimportant.
You know, when I go to seminarsand sell in molecular biology,
I will ask people with PhDs andmaster's degrees and sell and
I'll say, tell me what you knowabout the Haiflich limit and
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they'll say I never heard of it.
It is absolutely foundational ifyou're going to understand
longevity.
So one model that I likebecause it's nice and clean and
neat, says that we're born withapproximately 7,500 base pairs
in our telomeres right T-A-G-G,t-a-g-g, t-a-g-g, t-a-g-g, over
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and over and over again.
And when it's time for a cellto replicate, the chromosome
opens up and Mother Naturearranges it so that a primer
goes in and sits on the end ofthe chromosome and then an
enzyme, dna polymerase two, fitsin right on one side of the
primer and then copieseverything all the way back.
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What does it not copy?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I'm going to guess something having to do with the
telomeres, but that's a guess.
Where the primer sits, on thechromosome doesn't get copied,
which is at the end of the-.
Which is at the end.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
All right.
So you've been to Grand CentralStation and you've seen where a
train comes in and there's astop at the end of the track, so
the train doesn't fall off theend of the track.
Well, that stop is hooked ontothe track, it's bolted on the
track and it's a short segmentand the train can't use it.
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But if it isn't there then thetrain would fall off the track.
But it's not really usabletrack.
So when the chromosome opens upand the primer sits on the
chromosome that's similar to theblocking piece on the end of
the railroad track.
Then the DNA polymerase twocomes in, sits on it, copies
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everything all the way back.
There's usually 150 base pairsapproximately underneath the
segment covered by the primer.
So every time we have areplication we lose
approximately how much 150 basepairs, 150, okay, 150 base pairs
(12:26):
, all right.
So you've got 7500 base pairs.
You start out with what's theHayflick limit?
Approximately 50.
52.
, 52.
All right, so do the math 50goes into 7500, 150, 150 times
that, that, that, that you lose6 billion, 42.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Oh math, you're math in my head.
You're trying to get me to doyeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You lose 150 base pairs.
You have approximately 50replications.
That works out to 7500.
That's your telomere.
That's the mechanism of agingand that's why we age slowly and
not all at once.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And so the point.
The point is as, as a, becauseI've heard it said that the
every cell in your body isreplaced over a period of about
of about seven years orsomething like.
So You're not the same personyou were a number of years ago,
because every cell is replacedperiodically.
You know, I've heard I've heard.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I've heard that many times, but it's not.
It's not the mechanism we'retalking about and looking at
right here.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh great.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And I and I don't think it's correct.
I, you know, I think DrHayflick's material really is is
right on the money.
Well then you've, you've gotthe telomere and then the other
side of the telomere, you've gotthe sub-telomeric area right,
and then you've got theperitelomeric area, and as the
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chromosome gets eroded with thereplications and you get into
the, into the part of thechromosome that codes for
protein synthesis and geneexpression.
And as we age you know, I was,I was with a little old lady the
other day and she's going intosenile dementia and it's still
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her.
But inside of every one of hercells those chromosomes are just
slowly, slowly, slowlyshortening and the proteins that
are generated as a result ofher gene expression.
Why do?
Why do older people have, youknow, skin that it's?
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It's because the proteinsthey're generating are not
healthy.
They don't come off a fullchromosome, they come off of
chromosome that has been worndown by the Hayflick limit, the
Hayflick phenomena.
I've heard it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I've heard it described also that the
telomeres the longer yourtelomeres, the longer your
lifespan, your longevity.
And I've heard it described asshoelaces the little plastic
parts on the end of theshoelaces.
If you wear shoelaces a longtime, those things tend to wear
(15:09):
out and get all fluffy andscraggly and and wear out, we'll
be, we'll be into you if yourchromosomes get scruffy and try
that Exactly Scruffy.
So that's a science, that's ascience term.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That is as good a a explanation as you can get.
I mean, it's like the littleplastic clips on the end of a
shoelace and as they wear out,you know.
Then you got problems.
So stress tends to turn cellsover faster, which means the
Hayflick limit comes up faster.
And you look at people who'vebeen stressed.
You know people that wentthrough concentration camps.
(15:44):
A lot of them died, they lost alot of weight, they looked
terribly stressed and thenshortly thereafter they went
away.
So the point is the less stresswe have and the more ease and
comfort we have and the fewerright angles and the more time
we spend with people who love usand are like us, the better
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your life and your health andthe closer to the optimal human
experience will you will youhave in your life.
So here's our prenatalcommentary you got a mother
who's like stressed out of hermind, but it's usual, it's
normal.
In other words, it's normal forpeople to jump on a car and go
(16:26):
60 miles an hour and then gomeet somebody they don't know is
dressed all in white andsitting in a room that's all
right angles and talk to peoplewho are horribly ill.
But nobody acknowledges it andthat's usual I would have people
say to me I'd say, what are youeating for breakfast?
They'd say, oh, good food,usual stuff.
And I'd say, really, what doyou eat for breakfast?
(16:47):
They go, well, you know milk oncereal and plenty of sugar and
you know just white toast onwhite bread with plenty of
margarine Good stuff.
You know standards.
I said you know.
You know, in the hisphysiologic history of Homo
sapiens that has never been upto this modern era, that has
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never been even remotelyacknowledged as food Right.
So the point is, the point iswe live these really artificial
lives and if you look at peoplein an art and guarded moment,
they are experiencing far fromthe optimal human experience,
right.
And then they go and they havethe.
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They have a gestation period inwhich mom and dad fight each
other and the uterus is, mom isunder stress, so the uterus does
what clamps down, right, and sowhen it comes time to be born,
it's like an ordeal, and thecomplex generalization that pops
into their little head at thedeepest level is life is
(17:56):
difficult.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Oh, ok, we're.
That's about halfway through.
We're going to break for onesecond and we're going to come
back and discuss how life isdifficult, especially from the
earliest moments of development.
But first, if you're interestedin what we're talking about,
you can go listen to any of theother podcasts there on all the
(18:22):
platforms.
Also, visit the website optimalhuman experience dot com, and
we've got a page there with thepodcast along with all the
platforms there's links to getto.
New podcasts are publishedMonday and Thursday at 10
o'clock am Central Time.
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So look for that and again goto the website.
There's more videos there andwe're also putting together
different courses and trainingthat for the first time in
decades, you can have access toin an online format.
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Up to this point, dr Joe hasonly worked with people in
groups in person or in one onone sessions, but now we're
putting it together in a formatfor online use.
Now back to life is difficult.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, you have.
You have this little infant inthis uterus and the molecules of
emotion or stress and so on andso forth, so complex
generalization that this persongets.
His life is difficult and youknow that is really very much
supported by the life we lead.
And you just look at the thefaces in an unguarded moment, of
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most people on the street andit's pretty obvious that life is
difficult.
Do you remember FrederickLeboye?
He was a Frenchman.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You're shocked.
Leboye was the Frenchman.
So he had all these women havethe the gentle, gentle birthing,
the Leboye method of, am Icorrect?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, Again.
Well, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Leboye.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So he had these women have their birth in a nice warm
water and there, you know,there were some sterility issues
that that nurses, you know,wondered about.
But nonetheless I saw somepictures of some of these kids
being born and when they poppedout you know it was not they
were not reeking of the feelingthat life is difficult.
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So it was good it was good.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So the point is, I think what you're trying to say
is that, shockingly, theexperience that the prenat has,
even from the as far back as themoment of conception, I mean
certainly when the neural tissuestarts forming at about the 32
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cell stage.
That because you made you madea comment about molecules of
emotion and you've talked aboutthat before.
My understanding is themolecules of emotion are when
someone has an emotionalreaction, whether it's positive
or negative.
There are chemicals, there areneuropeptides and peptides that
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that are produced and theycirculate through the system.
And so at that point, if you'vegot this little developing baby
, the baby is going to createcells with cell receptor sites.
That code for whatever isfloating around in the in the
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system.
Am I on?
Am I remembering this correctly, because that was a couple
episodes ago?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And whatever they're immersed in, they will become
sensitized to and look for.
And you know the ever hear theold saying I married my mother.
Oh yeah, really.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, I said that too .
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, you know and the interesting thing is this
this harks to a concept of, likeyou know, a lot of people are
using drugs these days and theywill say to me hey man, you want
to talk, I'm getting stoned.
And I go no, really, I'm okay,I'm, you know, I'm fine.
They go no man, you know I'mshooting up, you want to hit,
(22:40):
I'll give you a, you know we'll.
You know, come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And when was the last time someone came up to you
today, dr Joe, I'm shooting upman you want to hit.
Hey, come on, get some, getyour stuff you would be
surprised.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, I would be, but you know, I well, I hang out,
or I was hanging out with ayounger crowd for a little while
and on, you know, it all wentto jail or dead.
And and but though.
But I've done so much prenatalre imprinting that the molecules
of emotion and most of themolecules that run around inside
of me are actually pretty good.
(23:13):
So I'm not like terriblybundled out all the time and I
don't need to get stoned and Idon't need to get high and I
it's not, it's not on my menuand I it would be a diminution
of my emotional state.
I would actually feel worse.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So you don't need to to chemically alter your your
perceptual filters in order tofeel like you might be
approaching normalcy, like no.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm, I'm, I'm hunting down the optimal human
experience, and that is, youknow, your perceptual, emotional
, your internal states, and I, Ione time I had a really high
blood pressure and I stopped ata dock in the box place, and I
got some Benzo diazepines.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You know what they are Benny's, benny's that's like
Valium and yeah, it was Valiumwas injectable Valium shot me up
with that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Whoa, whoa, this is wonderful.
And I realized I mean they'reknown as being highly addictive.
I said this stuff is wonderfuland it's so wonderful it's bad.
I never, never, touched thisstuff again.
That was.
I won't say it was a mistakebecause I'm not addictable, but
I can see where people would beaddicted to it and I would just
(24:32):
say to them put your head down.
Imagine your mother and fatherare deeply in love and they love
each other and they've got alltheir attention on you.
How does that feel?
And you know people will walkin and they'll be like you know,
and I'll say, here, put yourhead down and tell me what.
What's it like to have yourmother and father, you know, be
okay about being in the sameroom with one another?
(24:52):
And they'll go oh yeah, that'sokay.
And then what happens if momand dad hug and you're in the
middle there and it's nice andwarm and safe.
And so we begin plugging ingenerative patterns in the
prenatal experience and the nextthing you know, is life
difficult.
No, it's not so bad.
(25:13):
You know, you start healingfrom the report deprivation
sickness and you start gettingsome allies and your, your
loving maid is actually a lovingmaid and you're not nervous all
the time because you know yourparents were worried about the
Vietnam wars or some sometragedy that was imminent.
And then people start toexperience the optimal human
(25:37):
experience, or at least closerto it.
I had.
I had a delightful young lady.
She was in her fifties and herlife had been one disaster after
another, repeated over and overand over again.
And I did some prenatal workwith her and she took a deep
(25:57):
breath and she let it all out.
And I said how is that?
She said it's wonderful, it'smuch better.
I said well, what, what?
What did you experience?
And she thought from a momentand she said it was a letting go
, a letting go.
And I said you know, you'reabsolutely right.
(26:18):
It was a letting go, wasn't it?
And she said yes, soeverybody's going to have their
own code words for it, you know,but for a lot of people, guess
what it is.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's a letting go which makes sense when you think
about it.
I'm I keep going back to thatthat cell cellular level, with
the cell receptor sites.
They're coded for thosemolecules of emotion that the
mother experienced when she waspregnant, whether it was anger
(26:49):
or frustration, or you know,she's chain smoking cigarettes,
and there's all those cellreceptors it's looking for those
neuropeptides to read, torecreate, recapitulate that
feeling that they had for thevery first time when they were
developing.
So it makes perfect sense thatwhen you, when they go through a
(27:14):
prenatal session and put in andinstall a generative pattern,
well what happens to those cellreceptors?
They have to let go of thoseneuropeptides to make room for
the other positive neuropeptidesto come in, and so she can go.
Oh my gosh, that feels betterBecause from my experience
(27:37):
that's very often the case oneof those generative patterns and
you work through somethingthat's been bugging you your
whole life and it it lets go.
I mean it has to be happeningon the cellular level.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It has to be happening at the level of cell
receptor sites and thespecificity thereof.
You know it's so crazy.
If your mother was a worry wart, guess what kind of a woman
you're going to marry.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I don't know.
I don't know I'm a littleconcerned about, I'm a little
worried, but I don't think, youknow, it shouldn't be that bad,
should it?
It's not gonna be that bad, isit?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
I mean, it's you know .
And to think that RichardBanneler said one time to think
that it takes a lot of audacityto think that if subatomic
particles move in a fashionthat's non random, it takes a
lot of audacity to think thatour emotions and our perceptions
are just random.
(28:34):
They're not.
They come out of your prenatalperiod and and they're
remarkably logically consistent.
That's why everybody says Imarried my mother Right.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Because they did.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, they looked for somebody who would generate in
them the same set of emotionalstates, the same molecules of
emotion that mom did, and thenthey're all set there and they
can recapitulate for an entirelifetime the circumstances of
the prenatal experience andevery day, for every meal.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's a big bowl of recapitulation molecules, of
emotion stew Pretty much havesome pretty much, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
if you ask any accountant say, is the 1040 form
the earnings record for yourclients, does it change much
from year to year?
What will they say?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, for the most part I would think it's not.
It's pretty consistent.
Once they're in a job andthey're working, they're just
kind of stays pretty within arange.
It'll be in that range.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I mean, it's the same with everything and it's
because the molecules of emotion, perception, under, under the
circumstances, you have yourprenatal period, they pretty
much everything stays prettymuch the same.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, again, which makes it I'm going to interrupt
you again, being the ringmaster,I'm going to interrupt you
again, which is letting go.
Which you got to let, go, justto let you know you want to let
go.
Allow yourself to beinterrupted.
Well, I remember years andyears and years ago, I listened
(30:16):
to one of those.
It was nightingale conant,which had all of these different
training tapes and selfdevelopment tapes and there was
one by a guy named DennisWaitley, if I remember and he
talked about.
He talked about the reticularactivating system, which is
(30:37):
essentially this thermostat inyour brain in your brain, which
makes perfect sense.
So you married your mother andyour your your loving mate, who
is your mother, generates thesame neuropeptides and same same
emotional stew that youexperienced while you were a
(30:58):
prenat.
And you know what.
If it gets, if it gets too low,if there's not enough of them,
what do you do?
You go and you find thetriggers to push so that she can
, you know, push your buttonsand get you back into that state
that, oh, okay, now we're,we're in this, we're in this
narrow band, we're in this.
We're in the optimal state forinsanity and recapitulation.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
In statistics it's known as regression to the mean.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah within one standard deviation, typically.
And where are standarddeviations?
Oh, no, that's you can'ttolerate that.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Where?
Where are the tides the highestin on earth?
The Bay of Fundy right up inNova Scotia.
Yeah, I was about to say that.
Well, the tights are roaring inand but they only go so high
and then they roar out.
And every time they roar in orroar out, it's a what a
regression to the mean is things.
(31:58):
Yeah, things don't get too farout of whack.
Dave Dobson used to say applesdon't fall far from the tree.
So the real question is if wewant to experience the optimal
human experience, what do we do?
Oh, we started doing a littlegenerative work with the
prenatal material, and thenicest thing is to have an
(32:22):
internal guided fantasy whereyour mother is just in a nice
warm place Maybe she's outsideon the on the porch sitting in a
nice soft chair.
It's a beautiful day, the windis is just enough to brush the
leaves, and the air is fresh andsweet, and she's having a
wonderful time eating a largepiece of fresh watermelon.
(32:44):
And right, and it begins to putyou into a trance already.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Since you like watermelon when my mom eats it.
Yeah yeah and yeah, there'ssomething about being in that
prenatal position.
We talked about that in thelast episode.
We'll get into it again, I'msure.
And boy, imagining that that'swhat's going on and the
(33:11):
attention's on the, on you asthe baby boy howdy, doesn't get
much better than that.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
It's, it's surprisingly effective.
I mean, I have people who arejust the you know, they're
wildly upset and I'll say themokay, I got it.
You're wildly upset, take adeep breath, let it out, put
your head down and imagine yourmother's got her hand on her
tummy and she's thinking aboutyou, and they will calm down and
just go.
(33:39):
It's the coolest thing.
Yeah, it is cool.
There is probably nothing worsefor the prenat than for the
parents to be in a state ofdenial regarding the pregnancy.
I mean, you know, and peoplethey'll say to me I've, I'm
lonely all the time.
I don't say all the time.
They go yeah, all the time,yeah, every second.
(34:01):
You know yeah.
And every time when they're in acrowd and guess what, they're
lonely.
And this has been kind of thesubject of existential.
You know, writing for a longtime.
People feel lonely, they havelead the lives of quiet,
desperation.
And how is that that we didn'tconnect the dots?
(34:22):
I mean, mom and dad are both.
They both professionals, theyboth have careers.
They don't want a pregnancy andthey go around going I can't be
pregnant, no, I'm not pregnant.
And and what happens?
Person is born terminal, lonelyreport, deprivation installed
when in the prenatal period, andboy, is that a bugger.
(34:46):
And then they marry six oreight or 10 or 12 or 15 people
or they'll have lovers.
And once, you know, I said tosomebody the other day, once the
body count gets above 20 or 30thousand, you know the bloom and
pen is off the rose.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know it's hard to it's hard to pair bond after
it's just not quite the same Now.
You didn't really say I sensehyperbole.
I think that's a no, I said no.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Really I said that to Randy Kelton.
He might want other people likethat.
I said sure, yeah, we'llchamber.
We'll change it.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
OK, that's.
That's it for episode six ofthe life is difficult human
experience.
Oh boy, yeah, it is difficult,so we'll.
We'll see you next time on theoptimal human experience podcast
with Dr Joseph Geruso and thiswhole thing about body count
(35:42):
it's it seems like that's whatit seems to be a very common
topic of discussion, which iskind of weird in a way, isn't it
?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Or maybe it is?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Maybe I'm weird and it's the.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
it's the big thing for the guys.
I mean, you know, theirprobability of reproductive
success, of their offspring, youknow, goes down when the woman
has a high body count.
Oh yeah, horses, the horses arehigher with women with high
body counts.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That I read.
I read the story the other dayabout this might have been some
celebrity, was quite the sportsguy or something who had you
know two or three kids and theguy raised them as his own and
turns out it was one of his kids.
It was his best friend's kids,who his wife had been having
this.
Oh God, you know, guys, this is, oh, I see, I see, how's my kid
(36:44):
?
I mean, you're good.
Whoa.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
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