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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is the Optimal
Human Experience Podcast with Dr
Joseph DiRuzzo.
To learn more, visitOptimalHumanExperiencecom.
And now.
Dr Joseph DiRuzzo and theOptimal Human Experience Podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome.
Welcome to episode 8 of theOptimal Human Experience with.
You guessed it, dr JosephDiRuzzo.
My name is Paul Andrew and I'mthe ringmaster of sorts, so
let's get in the middle ring.
Ladies and gentlemen, dr JosephDiRuzzo, what do you want to
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talk about?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Let's talk about the
interface between physical
health and disease and mentalstates and how all of this fits
together.
What Mental states, Mentalstates?
Back in the day, Dr Han Seliewrote a book called the Stress
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of Life, and it's a veryimportant book.
He said that there were anumber of stress ores that we
endure.
One is physical stress walkingaround on concrete floors, being
overweight that's a physicalstress.
Another is thermal stress goingout in the heat and taxes in
the summer.
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Boy, that'll knock the stuffingout of you.
What Another is chemical stresseating trying to live on a
combination of cigarettes, milk,colas and sugar, short chain
carbohydrates, and then alsoWait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Do Twinkies fit in
that category?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
We don't want to use
any brand names.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh sorry, we just
don't.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So things that are
high in refined carbohydrates.
They hit your bloodstream andthey jack your blood sugar up
and then your pancreas kicks in,secretes some insulin and
brings your blood sugar downbelow what is normal.
So you have a situation whereyou're either up or you're down,
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and after a while people walkaround and they're fat,
depressed and they can't thinkstraight Because the brain is an
organ that requires certainstable blood sugar.
So when you see somebody who'sdepressed, chances are good
they're on the disinsulinismrollercoaster.
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They eat some carbohydrates,their blood sugar goes up, they
feel good, they have energy, andthen it goes down as their
insulin and then it goes downbelow where is optimal and they
don't feel good.
They're depressed, grumpy andfat.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So and you know it
sounds like a carnival.
Go ahead it is a carnivore.
Carnival, carnival.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Oh, I was married to
a carnivore.
She was.
She loved coffee and sweets.
And then, a few hours later,boy was I the bad guy.
So, and then there's mental,emotional stress.
So, speaking of chemical stress, when I was a boy, I used to
work in a machine shop and wehad something called
trichlorothaline.
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We used to paint them, you know,and years later they came out
with warning deadly poison.
Don't get anywhere near, don'teven look at it.
No, no, no, avert your eyes.
There's all kinds of chemicalstress and then there's mental,
emotional stress, and you know,it may be that horrible man,
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donald Trump, gets reelected.
Well, that would be a horriblestress.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, but what about
the horrible man Joe Biden?
He's horrible too.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh, he's horrible too
.
So you know, this is a time ofenormous upset and you can see
all causes deaths are up,cancer's up, you know, hearted
diseases up, all kinds ofdegenerative diseases up.
So we have to ask ourselves allright, what's this all about?
One of the things that I usedto do that I really liked was I
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remove a little stress from twoor three categories, and what I
found was, if you push people inthe right direction, there's a
phenomenon known as homeostasis,where the body wants to
maintain a healthy level ofeverything Homeostasis.
Disease is a departure fromhomeostasis, and so if you want
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to improve people, just doeverything you can to return
homeostasis.
So you've got mental, emotionalstress, chemical stress, thermal
stress, physical stress, and assoon as we're stressed we go
through the adaptation response.
The first thing that happens isour adrenals kick in and we
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begin to respond to the stress.
That's the alarm stage, stageone.
Alarm stage.
Stage two is the resistancestage, where we just go into
ongoing, long resistance.
You get a job that you don'tlike and you learn to put up
with it.
Initially you go man, I don'tlike this, but after a while you
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go okay, I can put up with thisand then, once your adrenals
are really exhausted, then youget into the collapse phase and
then the phase after that isdeath.
So you've got alarm, resistance, collapse and then death.
And this force, it ages allover the place.
The only meaningful question iswill the inner interface
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between improving your healthget make a result before or
after you reach stage four,which is death?
Hopefully you can improve yourhealth before you die, right.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But not always not
always.
So so you were using the fourstages with reference to a job
which.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I think most
everybody could relate to that.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Any relationship,
yeah, so marriage or loving mate
starts off great, but maybesome dragons right rear their
ugly heads so you go.
Well, you know, there's allthis good stuff I can adapt to
that.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, that part
that's not bad, Right, you know.
And then we go through the oneof the three universals of human
modeling in neuro linguisticprogramming.
You're the expert in distortionand generalization.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So well, she's not
always like that.
Yesterday she was fine, she'llbe like that tomorrow, she'll be
better tomorrow.
So we make distortions, youknow, deletions and
generalizations, until we gothrough the resist with alarm
resistors, the four stages andexhausted.
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And then, but this you know,there's a new kid on the block
called functional medicine,which I have yet to research.
I got to look at it and peopleare just, you know, they're
clamoring how wonderful and thisis.
But what I found was, inphysiologic health care, the
body is always trying toreestablish homeostasis and it's
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constantly trying to do that,and anything that you can
improve, any little thing, maypush them over a threshold into
better health.
So we had these chiropracticmanipulative reflex techniques.
One was for the lungs.
If the lungs were all congested, I would, in coordination with
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their breathing, assist them bypushing on their ribs in a
direction that loosens phlegm.
All right, the lungs, largeintestine.
A lot of times, once we'restressed, our large intestine
slows down.
You accumulate toxins.
You can stand on the left sideof a person, feel their colon
and help by moving that littlemud along.
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Just pull it toward you, allright, and it moves the fecal
matter and accelerates thetransit time.
And next thing, you know, theyhave to get up and go to the
bathroom and it removes some ofthe stress, the stress of having
a gut full of toxic waste.
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Lungs, large intestine, stomachspleen, heart, small intestine
bladder, kidney gob bladder,liver the kidneys in Chinese
medicine are referred to as theseat of life.
When your kidneys don't work,you're in big trouble and the
kidneys sit on a shelf calledthe d'Lumbo dorsal shelf.
And if you sit in a chair a lot, you take the curvature of the
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lumbar spine out and the kidneystend to fall down and the
arteries and veins that supplythem stretch and when they do,
the cross-sectional density orthe cross-sectional diameter is
reduced and so you get a reducedflow.
All right, oxygen is necessaryfor proper kidney function and
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if you reduce the amount ofoxygen going through the
bloodstream, they go to thekidneys and at the same time you
slow everything down.
So there's a retention ofmetabolites and there's a
retention of free radicalsactivities.
People are sick.
All I would do is I'd get oneither side of their kidneys,
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just lift up a little bit, puttheir kidneys back up on the
lumbodorsal shelf and I'd saystand up.
And they'd stand up and I'd sayhow do you feel They'd say I
feel a lot more alive.
That was a Well.
Why would they?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
say that I witnessed
this one time with a lady who
worked in the same office andshe had some issue with her
kidneys and oh, she'd been hereand been there and no one could
help her.
And you said well, you know, itsounds like your kidneys have
just fallen off of that shelfand it sounds like such a load
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of horse hooky.
Is horse hooky a word?
I thought, man, he's BSing herto the horizon and kill you.
And anyway you said, hey, watchthis, watch this Paul.
And you put her up on the tableand you did something.
And she stands up, she goes, ohmy god.
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Oh my god.
I've felt like this in years.
I was like, oh my, okay, Ishould just shut up now.
I was doubting the master.
How dare I?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, you go between
thinking I'm pretty amazing and
going, nah, that can't be,that's got to be nonsense.
You go between those two states.
But you asked me two lines ago.
You said tell us about howthings.
They work really fast.
The kidney thing, the kidneylift, really works fast.
I had a.
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The heart hangs in a sackcalled the pericardium and it's
flexible but it's not elastic,right?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
So I knew this fellow
, I just met him and he said I'm
having shoulder problems.
And I looked at him and I said,well, he's having problems with
his pericardium.
And he said I've been to everydoctor.
He was a chiropractor, which iskind of like an indignity.
He couldn't find anybody tohelp him with his, with his,
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with his orthopedic problem.
I said, well, lay on the tablethere, and there's a tool known
as the activator and it justputs about three to five ounces
of an impulse, a little wave,through the tissues, extremely
effective.
Well, I didn't have one with me, so I just put my thumbs
together, I put them underneathhis heart because his heart had
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done what it had fallen downwarda little bit right, fallen
downward, and I went bam, and hejerked and I said okay, stand
up.
And he stood up and I said allright, move your shoulder.
He moved his shoulder.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
He said how the hell
did you do that?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So there's all these
really, really profound tools.
I had a gal walk into theoffice one time and she had
worked in a place where theyre-finished tires they were like
retreaded tires and she put herarm down into the machine to
pull a piece of rubber out andthe thing grabbed her and jerked
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her and she tore.
She tore the anterior uh uhserratus anterior in the front
right and she'd been to ahundred doctors and she was just
in agony all the time.
She walked in the door and Ilooked at her.
I knew it was wrong with her.
She didn't tell me her name.
I said come here for a second.
And she said I said I'm Dr Joe.
Can I put your arm on myshoulder?
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And she put her arm on myshoulder and I went in and I
used origin insertion techniqueto reestablish the tear off of
the chest wall of the serratusanterior.
And then I said okay, now moveyour arm, is it better?
How's it doing?
And she looked at me and shesaid she looked at her husband.
She was there with her husband.
She said the pain's gone.
He doesn't even know my name.
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He doesn't know anything aboutme.
So you know, when I look atmedicine chiropractic,
acupuncture, osteopathy.
People say to me do you everwork with the blind and the deaf
?
And I say most of the time, ifnot all yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, do you mean
literally or figuratively, or
both?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Or both.
This is, you know, physiologichealth care has taught me over
30, 40 years it is not thatdifficult to restore homeostasis
.
Characteristically, now there'sextremes, there's a bell shaped
curve, but most people it'sactually pretty easy.
And using the orientaldiagnosis techniques, boy you
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know, it makes you into Superman.
I one time treated 335 peoplein a town called Baranquilla in
Colombia.
And I got them all asymptomaticin two days.
I got them all asymptomaticexcept two who had had surgery.
There's wasn't much I could dofor them.
But the tools of naturalhealing, the tools of
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physiologic health care have noteven been.
We haven't even scratched thesurface.
So the relationship betweenstress and physiology, it's
absolute, the front and back ofthe same coin.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's about halfway.
I'm going to take a quick breakhere just to remind everybody.
If you want to learn more aboutall the different techniques
and tools that Dr Joe hasdeveloped, there's a website,
optimalhumanexperiencecom, so govisit us there.
You can sign up for a freeemail course that goes into more
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detail.
Think optimalhumanexperiencecom.
Go check it out.
Now can we talk a minute?
We were talking earlier, beforewe started recording about the
physiologic health care and howit how prenatal re-imprinting
and the whole prenatalexperience is a the foundational
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part of what people deal within their life and how this ties
in together with your.
What is the analogy that youuse about the recapitulation in
life?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
The kaleidoscope, the
kaleidoscope, the kaleidoscope.
I discovered the prenatal, thesignificance in the prenatal
state.
In using the NLP tools andrecapitulating the external
behavior causes thepop-up-pop-o-sealed joints in
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the spine to fire into the brainthe same as it was before you
were born.
And then, all of a sudden, whenyou do a search, a
trans-irrivation search, or youdo a memory into the prenatal
and you go oh, there's thememory.
People will say to me.
I'll say, well, it could bethat your mother and father were
fighting and we're going to doa prenatal age regression and
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see what's going on.
I'll say, well, that was 50, 60years ago.
I can't remember that.
I'm going all right, well,let's just put your head down
now.
Then that's done.
I can't do that.
I'll say, well, let's just tryit.
They go, all right, well, silly, they'll put their head down
and they go oh, my mother andfather are fighting.
Oh, they don't want to bepregnant, they don't have any
money.
It's just below the surface.
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And whenever you look at aperson, if you catch them in an
unguarded moment, catch themwhile they're waiting for the
elevator you know they'll bewaiting for and you know it's
not the elevator.
Or and catch them when they'relike looking at the frozen peas
and I have this little sad faceon and you know it's not the
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peas.
So inside of Oriental Medicineyou're going to have five
elements, and lungs, largeintestine, for example are
associated with grief.
Did you ever go to a funeral?
And every it was such a nice,such a nice heart.
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Heart, small intestine,adrenals and pericardium.
They're associated with joy andlaughter and they can be either
be excessive or deficient.
Right.
So you meet a person who's realheavy and their heart is under
a lot.
There are a lot of stress.
And culturally, where do weidentify this?
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Is Santa Clauscharacteristically skinny or I'm
going to go.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He's a little tad
chunky toe.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Santa Claus and you
want to hear the reindeer
complain?
They got man.
Santa Claus gained another 10pounds this year.
Santa Claus, ho, ho, ho, right.
So each of the major organsystems will have an associated
emotional state.
And guess what happens in theprenatal period?
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You'll never guess.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I'm going to let me
take a stab.
These emotions are imprintedwhen the baby, the prenat,
experiences the emotions for thevery first time in concert with
mama.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
It all fits together.
It all fits together.
You know the Aztecs in Mexico.
Mm-hmm, what did they eat?
A lot of, I mean a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I don't know.
Oh, corn Corn, yeah, yeah, theysay we are made of corn.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Corn.
Guess what the if you want.
If somebody is having problemswith their heart, guess what
amino acid profile will be veryhelpful.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
The corn amino acid
profile.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, you take.
You say to me, eat some morecorn, eat corn on the cob and
corn soup and corn, and theycome back and they go.
You know I feel better, I don'tknow why.
The amino acid profile guesswhat is the amino acid profile
for the kidneys?
Oddly enough, you can buy aproduct called Arginx, but it's
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the amino acid profile of beans.
Now, isn't that crazy?
Hmm, I mean the amino acid andprofile for the various internal
organs.
Specific it comes right out ofour our heritage of natural
healthcare that we've hadliterally for thousands of years
, but now we're getting codifiedin the form of physiologic
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healthcare.
You know, I know, I've, whenI've done a good job, when I
render you speechless, yeah,that's a I have to start
thinking sometimes.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay, he just said
that, but that tied in with that
.
Now I got to think about howthat goes to that.
And they talk more about thetalk more about the kaleidoscope
of life, all right.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Well, you know, we
and we all have gotten those
little kaleidoscopes atChristmas time and it has a
small set of beads or littleplastic things and they'll have
different colors and differentshapes.
And you hold it up and you moveit and it looks like there's a
different design in there.
But if you analyze it carefully, what is it really?
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It's all the same design.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, so one second,
one section, and it's just a
mirror in there's mirrors, soit's repeated and it looks like
a circle, but it's really just anarrow triangle.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So people will come
into me and they'll say I feel a
sense of disappointment andit's associated with a sense of
anger, and then there's somefrustration and I feel
inadequate and I feel inferiorand I feel uncertain, and then
then, and then I feel a sense ofinadequacy, and then I feel a
sense of anger, and I feel and Igo, I mean, it took me years to
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realize this is just akaleidoscope of the same colored
, different shaped beads in thesame head and they run the same
thing over and over and over andover and over and over and over
again.
And there's one thing that Ifound will make a difference, to
make an improvement.
Guess what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm going to say Dr
Joe, no, but something outside
of you.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Do a little prenatal
re-imprinting, where?
Now here's the good part Insideof the human brain, inside of
the human hormonal system, theneuroendocrine system, you have
the programming, you have thegenetic coding for the hormones
of the excellence, hormones ofhappiness.
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I mean they're in the library,somewhere in your head,
somewhere in your nervous system, somewhere in your endocrine
system, there is a genetic code,there is a gene for a molecule
of emotion associated withhappiness and you can pull that
up, you can evoke it and you cananchor that with a kinesthetic
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anchor.
And then you can go back intothe prenatal experience and you
can find a problem state foryour mother and you can fire off
the anchor for happiness andyour memory of it will change.
She'll go from being depressedto going well, things are going
to get better they always do andthen you can slide into that
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happiness.
You know what a shoehorn is.
Yeah, you can take an emotionalstate of real despair and you
can kind of shoehorn somehappiness in there.
And guess what happens if youdo enough of it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, it's going to
affect everything that comes
after that point in your lifethat you're shoehorning the
memory into.
You can put new plastic beadsof different shapes inside of
your kaleidoscope, so it changesthat whole scene that you're
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recapitulating, which is justthose different beads that you
were imprinted with initiallyrolling around in the
kaleidoscope.
Looks like a whole big circle,but it's really just a narrow
triangle with some mirrorssmoking mirrors, yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Wow.
So you know another place whereyou see it is.
People will say, well, I holdmyself back, I feel I'd like to
do something, but then I just Ifeel like I shouldn't do it.
I shouldn't do it and I havethem enter the prenatal position
, take a deep breath, imaginethemselves floating in the
amniotic fluid, and then I'llsay tell me about your umbilical
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cord, is it straight or is itcrooked?
And they'll go.
And they'll go oh, it's crooked.
I'll say what's the feeling youget?
The feeling I get is if I move,it could get clamped off or
twisted and I'd die.
I'll say is that similar to thefeeling?
You shouldn't do anythingdifferent from the feeling, or
parallel, and most of the timethey'll say it's the exact same
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feeling.
I'll say well, how often do youhave it?
They go I have it all the time.
Then kicks in realneurolinguistic programming.
You say whose umbilical cord isit?
And they go well, it's mine, Igo.
Well, if you can adjust theradio because it's yours and you
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can adjust the volume becauseit's yours, that's your
umbilical cord.
And I'll take them through aseries of little NLP based
techniques.
And the next thing you know andthe resolution, right between
the sympathetic nervous systemadrenal firing and the
parasympathetic nervous system.
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The relaxation response ischaracterized by that.
Yeah, do you ever get out of arelationship that was really not
right for you?
Um yes.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Go ahead, letting go.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's a, it's a
letting go.
You gotta let go, let it go.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And you know, if you
work on somebody's colon, you
know manually, and they stand upand they say I got to go to the
bathroom.
It's a what?
It's a letting go, it's adefinite letting go.
So the the amazing thing is,all of this is very, very
intimately related.
Your relationships in the worldare related to your mother and
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father.
You know what they did, howtheir degree of rapport.
One of one of my, one of myinteresting stories was I had a
woman come to me and she was asDisturbed a human being as I
have ever met, and she was aCuban and she was a nun in a
nunnery, and and she came to meand I spoke to her, nice pass,
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and in Spanish, you know how areyou and she said Bien, nervios
y siempre I'm always nervous allthe time.
And so I said put your headdown and tell me que pasó con
sus, con sus padres, que pasó?
Then she said I, I gentecorriendo, I play away.
I don't know that way.
Oh, I've ruido, there's noise,there's people running, there's,
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there's firearms, there's.
Then I brought her up and Isaid where were you prenatal?
And she said I was in Cuba whencast.
So the, the prenatal technology, and, over the years, has shown
it to be spot on, I mean spot.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
So you're saying that
this little Cuban lady was
nervous all the time and and,shockingly, feel that way for
the very first time.
Hmm, and let's see, castro istaking over.
So they were shooting and fire,stuff was on fire and people
running around screaming oh Okay, hmm, so yeah correlation.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, communismo,
unismo, way, be in.
And, and I mean it is soconsistent it is, it is so
predictable and so, and it's soin retrospect, it's obvious.
But I said to one of my clientswho would have a prenatal
pattern running all their life,I said yeah, isn't it obvious?
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And he goes it's obvious, butonly in retrospect, only in
retrospect, right?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
hindsight is 2020 or
so I've heard.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
So these are the
patterns that we live by
physiologic health care,prenatal re-imprinting, oriental
traditional Chinese medicine,chat, chinese diagnosis they're
just such wonderful tools and,of course, always, always
behavioral engineering.
And much of this Rests on thefoundation laid by Grinder and
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Bandler and de Lozier and LeslieCameron Bandler and David
Gordon and Robert Dillson thewhole crew back in the 70s.
You know, structure of magiccame out in 1973, I believe, and
I got into NLP in 78 and Ithink I I was one of the few
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that really applied the NLPmaterial to the panoply of
natural healing arts.
Hmm, I tried to do, I tried todo a complete job and the end
result, ultimately, wasphysiologic health care well,
you know it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So he started out
talking about the Han Salie, the
stress of life in the fourcategories of stress and in I
mean stages of exhaustion.
four stages of exhaustion yeah,and so I'm guessing that during
that nine month prenatal periodthat there's got to be some
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exposure from from the, from theexternal environment, in each
of those four categories and inthe hopefully, hopefully, the
prenat only Experiences, at atworst, the first three of the
four stages of.
You know they don't get to thedeath part.
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Mommy makes it and so babymakes it.
But man, what a, what a.
I Was gonna say S show, but tryto keep it G rated.
No the, the, the dumpster fire.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
What a dumpster fire.
Well, it is in today's societyin.
In ancient Chinese days theyhad something called Taiqiu,
which was embryonic education.
Oh Well, and under idealcircumstances, they bring a
woman who's pregnant, she'dspend her time in a lovely
garden.
You know doing things that weremedium of intensity.
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What a lot of times.
If you take a person who hasproblems with their health and
you ask them put your head down,is your mother moving around?
They'll say no, she's notmoving much.
There is a phenomenon known ashypokinetic disease not moving
enough, oh, wow.
And so I'll say well, have a,have a guided fantasy in which
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mom is Gently sweeping the floor.
She's not killing herself, butshe's moving around.
She's sweeping the floor, she'smaking a Bed for the baby,
she's making a bassinet, she'swashing dishes, she's enjoying
being a Mom and she's moving.
And it moves blood and chi andlymph in Chinese medicine.
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And this is where thehomeostasis, the, you know just
this is the, the Natural orderover and over and over again.
Yeah, that's where you're gonnafind excellence.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, that's about
our time for episode 8 of the
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Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know, speaking of
commercial products whose name
shall not be mentioned, butrhymed with Winky Right, you
know that white stuff in themiddle of them.
Yeah, you know what it's madefrom.
Yeah, what's it made from.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's Crisco and
powdered sugar.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, you know well,
I read I think that's the latest
iteration I remember readingthe ingredients and I'm going oh
, it's some kind of cream, somekind of wholesome loveliness.
It was made from beef fat,which actually is better than
Crisco.
I mean, crisco, you can leaveit in the sun for six weeks.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I remember I was I'm
old enough to remember when they
had cream filled muffins Idon't know what they called them
and the guy would come aroundwe had a store at the time of it
overmarket.
The guy would come around andhe would leave these hostess
cupcakes and at the end of threedays, if they hadn't sold,
(33:10):
guess what he did Took them back, sold them to the next guy.
No, no, he took them back to thefactory.
They got rid of them.
Big improvement Beef fat andpowdered sugar.
They'll last forever.
Oh yeah, no loss, no spoilage.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, because the
ones that didn't have that, they
had to get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
They had to get rid
of them.
It was real, but with cream.