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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the
Options Trading Podcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Today we're jumping
into something really core to
options trading.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
That's right.
We're talking about those terms.
You always see in the money, atthe money out of the money.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You know, ITM, ATM,
OTM, yeah.
What do they actually mean forthe option itself?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
And for you, the
trader Exactly.
If you've ever been confused bythat, well, this deep dive is
definitely for you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We're basing this on
an article, pretty
straightforward one, calledUnderstanding Options In, at and
Out of the money.
It lays things out nicely.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
And our goal here
it's to unpack ITM, atm, otm.
Show how they connect theoptions strike price to the
stock's current price.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And, crucially, why
knowing this difference is well
fundamental.
Doesn't matter if you're buyingor selling.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Absolutely essential
knowledge.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, let's get into
it.
Then, before we hit thespecific states ITM, atm, otm we
need to be absolutely clear onthe two key prices involved.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Right, because
everything hinges on the
relationship between these twonumbers.
First, the strike price.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's the fixed
price in the option contract.
Yeah, the price where theholder can buy a call or sell a
put.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Exactly Fixed, locked
in.
And the second is the stockprice or the underlying assets
price.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Which is just where
the stock is trading right now,
live in the market.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And the whole ITMAT
MOTM thing.
It's just comparing those twothe strike versus the current
stock price.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It seems simple on
the surface.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It is, but the
implications are huge.
Let's start with in the moneyITM.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay, the source
defines ITM basically as if
exercising the option right nowwould make you a profit.
We're ignoring the premium costjust for this definition.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Right.
So for a call option, that's,the right to buy it's ITM when
the stock price is higher thanyour strike price you get to buy
cheaper than market.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Makes sense and for a
put option, the right to sell.
It's the opposite, it's ITM.
When the stock price is lowerthan your strike price, you get
to sell higher than market.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Let's use the
article's examples Stocks
trading at $60.
You hold a call with a $50strike.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, Stock price $60
is higher than strike $50.
So that call is ITM.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Precisely, and it's
ITM by $10.
That $10 difference, that's itsintrinsic value.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Ah, okay, the real
tangible value it has right now
because of where the stock isrelative to the strike.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Exactly Same stock at
$60, but now you have a put
with a $70 strike.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Okay, stock price $60
is lower than the strike $70.
So the put is ITM.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right again, and also
by $10, $70 strike, $60 stock,
that's its intrinsic value.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Got it, so ITM
options have intrinsic value.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They do, and for
buyers that's generally good
right.
The option already has someinherent worth.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Which is why they
tend to be more expensive, I
guess.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Generally yes.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Especially the deeper
ITM they go, and the deeper ITM
the more they act like thestock itself.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Right that delta gets
closer to one.
They move almost dollar fordollar with the stock.
Less guesswork on directionneeded.
Maybe more about capturing thatexisting value plus any further
move.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
True.
Now flip side for optionsellers.
Itm options are well, they'reriskier.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I can see why,
If you sold that $50 call when
the stock's at $60, you could beforced to sell your shares for
$50 when they're worth $60.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Ouch, or if you sold
the $70 put with the stock at
$60, you might have to buyshares at $70 that you could get
for $60.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So a much higher
chance of being assigned the
stock Definitely.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Higher probability of
assignment usually requires
more capital, more margin heldby your broker.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The article had a
joke about selling naked ITM
calls.
Oh, I think about skydiving.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, like selling an
in the money naked call.
It's a bit like volunteering tocatch a falling knife Possible,
you won't get hurt.
But why risk it unless youabsolutely have to or you know
you have a very specificstrategy, like already owning
the stock for a covered call.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, paints a
picture.
So that's.
Itm has intrinsic value.
Now, what about when there's nointrinsic value right now at
the money?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
At the money ATM.
This is super simpleconceptually.
The strike price is basicallythe same as the current stock
price, or very, very close.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Stocks are $50.
The strike is $50.
Call or put.
That's ATM.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Exactly, and the key
thing here ATM options have zero
intrinsic value.
Their price is all extrinsicvalue.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Extrinsic value,
that's the time value right,
Based on how much time is left,how jumpy the stock might be.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Time to expiration
implied volatility.
That's the market's guess aboutfuture swings, often called
vega and just general marketexpectations.
It's the premium for thepossibility of the option
becoming ITM later.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And, interestingly,
atm options usually have the
most extrinsic value, right yeah, compared to ITM or OTM for the
same expiration.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
That's typically the
case.
It's where the uncertainty ishighest.
You could say the stock onlyneeds a small nudge to become
ITM in either direction.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So they're really
sensitive to price changes.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Very sensitive.
We talk about high gamma forATM options.
That means their delta, howmuch the option price changes
for a $1 stock move can changevery quickly if the stock starts
moving.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Ah, okay, so for
buyers, atm might be attractive
if you expect a big, fast move.
Often, yes, they're cheaperthan ATM options, give you
leverage and react quickly.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
But there's a patch
Time decay, theta Exactly.
Since their value is allextrinsic, they are losing value
every single day due to timedecay, and ATM options lose it
fastest If the stock just sitsthere.
That premium melts away.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The article compares
it to a gym membership.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Huh, yeah, you pay
for the potential to get fit,
but if you don't actually showup and work out, if the stock
doesn't move, you're just losingmoney as time ticks by.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's a bit close to
home.
So for buyers, high sensitivitypotential for big games if it
moves, but theta risk issignificant Precisely.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
For sellers, though,
ATM options offer the highest
premium up front.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Because of all that
extrinsic value.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Right.
So it's tempting to sell themto collect that premium.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But the risk is high
too, isn't it?
A small move makes it ITMagainst you pretty fast.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Absolutely High
directional risk.
Sellers often use ATM optionsand strategies where they bet
the stock won't move, much likeshort straddles or iron condors.
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Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, ITM has
intrinsic ATM, has max,
extrinsic, high sensitivity,high decay.
That leaves out of the moneyOTM.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
OTM.
This means exercising theoption right now would be a
losing proposition.
It wouldn't make sense, basedpurely on strike versus stock
price.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So for a call.
The strike price is higher thanthe current stock price.
Like stocks at $40, strikes at$50.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Correct.
You wouldn't exercise yourright to buy at $50 when the
market price is $40.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And for a put the
strike price is lower than the
stock price.
Stock at $40, put strike at $30.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yep, you wouldn't
exercise your right to sell at
$30 when you could sell for $40in the market.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So, just like ATM
options, otm options have zero
intrinsic value.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Correct their entire
price.
Whatever it is, is pureextrinsic value.
It's payment for the chance,however small, that the stock
might move enough beforeexpiration to make it ITM.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Now for buyers.
The big appeal of OTM optionsis they're cheap.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
They're the cheapest,
yeah, and because they're cheap
, they offer the most leverage.
A small amount of moneycontrols the potential outcome
of 100 shares If the stock makesa massive unexpected move in
your favor.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
The payoff can be
huge percentages.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Potentially yes, but
and it's a big but- they're the
riskiest.
By far Most OTM options expireworthless.
The further OTM they are or theless time they have left, the
lower the probability they'llever become profitable.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So buyers use them
for what Speculation Hail Mary
plays or maybe cheap hedgingsometimes.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
All of the above.
High risk speculation is common.
You accept the high likelihoodof losing your premium for that
small chance of a massive return, sometimes used for hedging
disaster scenarios too, becausethe cost is low.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
The lottery ticket
analogy often comes up here.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It fits pretty well
Low cost, very low probability,
but a huge jackpot if you winNow.
For sellers, otm options areoften the bread and butter.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Ah, because the odds
are high, they will expire
worthless.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Exactly.
Sellers collect the premium upfront and since the probability
of the option ending up ITM islower, they have a higher
statistical chance of keepingthat premium as profit.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's where
strategies like selling OTM puts
for income or selling OTMcovered calls against stock you
own come in.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Precisely, you're
playing the probabilities,
trying to collect theta decay.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But it's not zero
risk for the seller, right yeah,
the source mentions riskmanagement is still key.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Absolutely not zero
risk.
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Speaker 3 (09:59):
While the probability
of any single OTM option
causing a loss might be low, asudden sharp adverse move in the
stock can happen and if it does, an OTM option can suddenly
become ITM and the potentialloss for the seller can be
substantial, especially on nakedoptions.
So managing position size andoverall risk is crucial.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Right, you're betting
against the long shot, but the
long shot sometimes comes in.
You have to be prepared for it.
Okay, let's pull this alltogether then.
Why does this ITM, atm, otmdistinction matter so much day
to day?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Because it
fundamentally defines the
options characteristics, itsvalue, composition, intrinsic
versus extrinsic, dictates itsprice behavior, its sensitivity
to stock moves and time decay,and the probabilities involved.
So quick recap ITM means stockstrike, atm means stock strike,
otm means stock strike.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And for puts ITM
means stock strike, atm means
stock strike, otm means stockstrike.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And the value ITM has
intrinsic value.
Atm is all extrinsic mostsensitive, fastest decay.
Otm is all extrinsic cheapest.
Highest leverage for buyers,highest probability of expiring
worthless for sellers.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Knowing which state
an option is in tells you what
you're actually trading.
Are you trading existing value?
Are you trading time andvolatility?
Are you trading a lowprobability outcome?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
It impacts your
strategy choice, your risk
assessment, your potentialreward, basically everything.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Think about it from
the buyer's perspective.
Do you want the higherprobability but higher cost of
IPM, the sensitivity and decayrisk of APM, or the low cost?
Low probability, high leverageof OTM.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And for sellers are
you taking assignment risk with
ITM, high directional risk withATM for higher premium or
playing the probabilities withOTM for lower premium but maybe
better odds?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Understanding this
helps you align your trades with
your market view and risktolerance.
Or playing the probabilitieswith OTM for lower premium but
maybe better odds.
Understanding this helps youalign your trades with your
market view and risk tolerance.
It helps avoid nasty surprisesnear expiration when, say, an
OTM option suddenly raises ITMor an ATM option's value
evaporates due to theta.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
And it's dynamic
right.
An option state isn't fixed.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Not at all.
As the stock price moves,options constantly shift between
OPM, ATM and ITM, and timepassing always works against the
extrinsic value component.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So here's a thought
to leave you with when you look
at an option chain, think aboutwhich state ITM, atm or OTM
actually aligns with yourspecific goal for that potential
trade.
Are you buying for leverage,selling for income Hedging?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And how might that
state change?
If the stock moves up $5 ordown $5, or if a week passes,
what happens to your optionscharacteristics then?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Understanding that
dynamic is key that's the deeper
level, beyond just thedefinitions.
Definitely All right.
That wraps up our deep diveinto in the money, at the money
and out of the money.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
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