May 25, 2025 • 33 mins
What happens when a skeptical news reporter becomes a passionate advocate for faith? Jennifer Dukes Lee's extraordinary journey from doubt to dedication reveals how persistent questioning can lead to profound belief.
Jennifer opens up about her background as a journalist who interrogated presidential candidates with the same rigor she later applied to scripture. With refreshing honesty, she admits she doesn't have a neat conversion story—just a gradual awakening to God's persistent pursuit. "Even when I didn't believe in God, He believed in me," she reflects, capturing the essence of a faith journey many listeners will recognize in their own lives.
The conversation takes a turn when Jennifer shares the never-before-told story of being trapped in her wrecked car during a blizzard. A stranger in a long skirt stood for what seemed like eternity, holding a quilt against Jennifer's broken window to block the freezing wind—a living metaphor for Christ's sacrificial love that Jennifer still carries with her today.
For anyone navigating doubts or wondering if their ordinary life matters, Jennifer's story offers profound reassurance. The questions that once threatened her faith became the very path that led her to Christ. Her testimony reminds us that in a culture obsessed with the spectacular, quiet faithfulness on ordinary days is indeed holy ground.
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Nancy Bruscher (00:01):
Welcome to Ordinary People Extraordinary
Things.
I'm so glad that you joined us.
I'm your host, nancy Brusher.
It's Memorial Day weekend andthe beginning of summer.
Our homeschool year ended aweek ago and the summer for us
is a great time to relax butalso catch up on different
things that we don't get toduring the school year.
On Friday, I got to speak to agroup about did I hear God wrong
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?
I've enjoyed growing in thisarea and sharing more in depth
about God and my story.
Today we'll hear from JenniferDuxley, and she shares a story
that she's never shared on apodcast before let's get started
.
Welcome to Ordinary People,extraordinary Things.
I'm here with Jennifer.
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Jennifer, thanks for being onthe show.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (00:50):
It's really fun to be here.
Nancy Bruscher (00:52):
Thanks for having me and you're coming to
us from Iowa.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (00:57):
I am.
I'm on a farm in far northwestIowa.
Nancy Bruscher (01:01):
Awesome.
Thanks for joining us.
Darcy connected us and I'm soexcited to get to chat with you
today.
Well, you too, thanks forhaving me.
If someone doesn't know who youare, can you give three words
or phrases to describe yourself?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (01:15):
So I am a writer.
I'm an author of several books,including Growing Slow.
It's All Under Control.
The Happiness Stare are a fewof them.
I've been writing for a reallylong time.
I actually started writingnewspaper articles when I was 16
years old and I had a career innews before we moved to the
farm and then I started a blogin 2009,.
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And I started writing books in2014.
So I've written a couple Biblestudies and a guided journal,
and as a part of my writingcareer, I spend a lot of
weekends away from the farm andI travel around the US and
Canada speaking to women'sevents, christian women events,
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usually on the themes ofsomething that's in my book.
So that's one thing is writer.
And now, if we're going to getinto personality characteristics
, one word that came to mind wasencourager.
I spend every day onlineencouraging women in their faith
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walk on my Facebook and myInstagram.
Both of those accounts areJennifer Dukes Lee on Facebook
and Instagram, and of course,that's what I do in my books as
well, and also in my ministryout and about in the world.
I love to remind people ofGod's hope and his work in their
lives and his faithfulness overtime, and it is a joy of mine
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to just encourage people wherethey are in their journey,
wherever that happens to be,especially women who are going
through a particularly hardcircumstance in their life just
to kind of be the sort of friend, either in real life or online,
who walks alongside them andhelps them to hold on, to hope
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when it seems really hard.
So, writer, encourager.
And then another word, anadjective that describes me, I
think, really well is dedicated.
I have goals in my mind forthings that I want to achieve in
the world with God's help, andsometimes those things seem
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really big or difficult, but Ilove just putting one foot in
front of the other and beingdedicated to the call that God
has on my life.
So, for instance, writing booksis a long journey and it takes
a lot of time to put 55 to65,000 words into a book.
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And when I wrote my last book,which will come out next year, I
actually walked the entire timeI wrote it.
I was on my desk treadmill andI wrote.
I wrote it was 305 miles is howmany miles I walked while
writing, which is the distanceof going from the Hamptons in
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Long Island to the steps of theCapitol in Washington DC.
Another way of looking at it isfrom San Diego to Las Vegas,
and I use those as an examplebecause number one I got in my
mind I'm going to write thisparticular new book.
That was along themes that Ihadn't written about before, but
I was dedicated and I was alsodedicated to walking it out,
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literally walking out thismessage, and it was great.
It just brought a real energyto my book writing, but also I
got my steps in, so it waspretty fun.
Nancy Bruscher (04:44):
It sounds like a good idea.
I was like, oh, that's a greatidea to do the desk treadmill.
What would you say to someonewho does?
What happens when you havethese goals or these dreams and
they don't come true the way youwant them to?
I'm sure that's happened to youbefore.
What would you say to someonewho's listening and feeling that
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right now?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (05:08):
Well, first thing I'd say is you're not
alone.
There are very few of us outhere in the world who have made
some kind of goal and evensomething that you feel like the
Lord has put on your heart, andno matter how much effort and
time and prayer and dedicationyou put into it, it simply did
not come to pass.
And I guess the encouragementis sometimes you can only see in
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reverse, even as you look backin the rear view mirror days,
months or even years later, thatGod had an equally good plan,
or maybe even a better plan, foryou that didn't involve hitting
the goals that you had foryourself.
It's hard to hear that whenyou're in the middle of
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something that you're strivingfor and feel really strongly
about, Really truly.
These things can only be seen intime after you look back on
your life, and sometimes I thinkthere may be moments where we
have to wait all the way untilheaven to see that God had
something better for us.
So in those moments I dopractice what I preach, just
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knowing that God loves me andthat he is a kind and gracious
God and he has great plans thatdon't always align perfectly
with my own, but even if I don'thit my goals as I wanted to.
I'm learning something aboutmyself, and I'm learning
something about God in theprocess.
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Our effort is never wasted.
There's always something to begained, and I think that's true
for anybody listening right nowas well.
Nancy Bruscher (06:46):
Thank you for that.
Thank you so.
Have you always grown upknowing Jesus or, if not, can
you share how you became abeliever?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (06:58):
Sure, I grew up in the church, very much so.
I was baptized in the MethodistChurch in Marathon.
Very much so.
I was baptized in the MethodistChurch in Marathon, iowa, not
very far from where you grew up.
Nancy Bruscher (07:08):
Yeah.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (07:08):
Marathon and I was confirmed in the faith
and I stood in front of mycongregation with a white robe
and a red carnation andprofessed my belief in the Lord
as an eighth grader.
My belief in the Lord as aneighth grader.
But by the time that I was ateenager I began to have pretty
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deep intellectual doubts aboutthe existence of God.
As Christians, we believe somepretty outlandish things like
the sun standing still, seaspartying, people walking out of
their own graves and ruiningtheir own funerals.
I mean, these kinds of thingsare hard to grasp and as a child
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who had a lot of questions sidenote it's no wonder I became a
news reporter.
I have to ask questions.
But as a child who had a lot ofquestions, the logic wasn't
reconciling with what I washearing on Sunday or what I was
learning in Bible school in thesummers.
So I don't know that I wasreally an unbeliever.
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I would say I was awant-a-believer, because I
wanted to believe in who Jesuswas.
I wanted to believe that heexisted.
I wanted to believe that hereally did die for my sins and
that the Easter story is true,that he rose from the grave, and
it took me a long time to getto that place.
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But in those intervening yearsit was a really dark and
difficult time, because it'sdifficult to walk through life
thinking that when you die, thatthat is the end of things, that
there really isn't anythingafter that, which really messes
with your mind and your heart.
When you think about yourpurpose too, it's just like you
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know what's the point in life.
And I lived in that quiet, dark, muddy place for probably most
of my 20s quite honestly, dark,muddy place for probably most of
my 20s, quite honestly.
When I was in my late 20s, I wasa news reporter at the Des
Moines Register and I was oftensent on news assignment outside
of the city, sometimes locationsfar away, even outside of Iowa
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and I would sometimes turn tothe AM dial and get onto faith
radio programs.
During those faith radioprograms oftentimes there was an
altar call, so some preacherwould be giving quite a message,
unpacking the scriptures, andat the very end of his program
he would give listeners anopportunity to turn their life
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over to the Lord.
And so I did that while I'mdriving around and I'm like,
okay, am I supposed to feel anydifferent now?
And I'm telling you a few dayslater I'd be back out on the
road on a news assignment andI'd give my life to the Lord
again.
I was like if once is good, 50or 100 times is even better.
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So I don't know when it quotetook.
I don't have a simple date thatwould say to people this is the
day I became a believer.
I know a couple things.
Even when I didn't believe inGod, he believed in me.
Even when I was faithless, heremained faithful Even when I
had given up on faith.
God had not given up on me andhe was in pursuit of me all of
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that time and he was using thosequestions that I had to draw me
closer to him.
I find it absolutely remarkablethat I didn't even used to know
if I believed in God, and nowhe's like the CEO of my ministry
as well as my best friend,which just goes to show you like
God is just doing things in thebackground that we have no clue
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about.
And I think for me, a big pieceof my faith journey toward
belief was asking the questions.
I began to interrogate theBible in the same way that I
interrogated presidentialcandidates, police chiefs,
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county commissioners, mayors,and God never freaked out and
said no, you can't ask thatquestion or no comment.
He always opened the scripturesto these beautiful answers.
So I used to be a news reporterand I still am, because I'm a
good news news reporter, I ampreaching the good news in books
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and on stages, which I justfind again truly remarkable.
But no, nancy, I just don'thave that neat and tidy little
date.
All I know is that God was inpursuit and I am a believer and
he's changed my life, so much sothat I have dedicated my own
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life toward making sure thatother people know about him and
what's possible through beliefin Jesus and in following him.
Nancy Bruscher (12:03):
Hmm, that's so good.
I do like how everyone's storyis different, right, and some
people have a very specific time, but I I like how you said that
you don't, because thatactually makes me anxious.
If I'm, if people ask for aspecific time that you actually,
you know, gave your life toJesus, I'm like I don't know.
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I, you know I blessed to growup knowing about Jesus and I've
learned more and grown deeper inmy love for him.
And you know, my faith haschanged and grown and there's so
many different little things Ican say of okay, this was pretty
, you know, meaty.
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For me, this was reallysomething that grew me in my
faith or changed me.
But as far as like a specificmoment, I don't have that either
.
So I really resonate with whatyou're saying.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (12:56):
I think a lot of people are like that and
we might maybe, early in ourfaith journeys, think I don't
have a powerful testimony, butthis is this is a powerful
testimony to say I have been ona very rocky road toward Jesus
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and he has walked with me everystep of the way.
You know, most of us probablydon't have a Damascus-style
moment where, like Paul did,when he was no longer Saul and
had this really direct encounterwith the Lord, Some do, and
that's so cool.
I love those stories, but alsoI think we need to make space
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for people whose stories mayseem a little bit more ordinary
and knowing that God worksthrough those stories just as
powerfully as he does the onesthat would make front page
headlines.
Nancy Bruscher (13:50):
Right, right, and you are kind of noting
towards the name of my podcastOrdinary People, extraordinary
Things, and that's why I startedthis over three years ago, was.
You know?
I was a history major, I did alot of oral history and God
called me to this podcast and Iwas like you know, no, I don't
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have time.
But it's really more about fear.
Fear of what if I start thisand no one listens.
And then what am I going totell people when they say, hey,
how's your podcast going?
And that's what stopped me fora while.
But but then God got over thatby having someone come, just
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like you go to talk at women'sevents.
It was a women's conferencethat really drew me to to, okay,
god is saying to do this, andit really hit me that it needs
to be kind of ordinary peopleand that we all have a story.
I'm always passionate thateveryone has a story to tell,
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everyone has a testimony, if youwant to say it that way.
Everyone has a way that God hasworked in their lives and that
this is really important for usto share the gospel.
It's an easy way to share thegospel with people, and so
that's been my mission for thelast three years is kind of
getting more ordinary stories.
Now I do have people that havejust crazy, extraordinary
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stories, and those are super funto listen to as well, but I
think it's important that somany of us don't have these
really weird, crazy, amazingstories.
We're just ordinary peopleliving ordinary lives, but if
we're doing it for God, thenit's extraordinary.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (15:33):
Absolutely that's holy ground.
I mean there's nothing inscripture that says I want you
to live this spectacular life.
There's a lot in culture thatsuggests that you know we need
to have spectacular homes,spectacular families,
spectacular grades, you knowspectacular clothes and bodies
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and host spectacular parties andhave spectacular children.
And that's so much pressurewhen really ordinary life, right
where we are, is holy ground.
I mean you just look back toJesus' earthly beginning.
I mean our Savior was born in abarn, not a palace.
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He walked around and didn'treally have a home and picked
the most ordinary people for hisdisciples and invited ordinary
people into his life and wentinto the homes of ordinary
people, sinful people, toencourage and bless and convict
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them, and I think that is theway of Jesus.
It's upside down that the thingthat seems so ordinary actually
is quite extraordinary, becauseJesus is a part of it.
Nancy Bruscher (16:55):
You said that so beautifully.
Well, I heard and I can't waitto hear this story is you were
in a car accident and a womanhelped you and she just gave you
so much kindness.
Is this a story that you tellsometimes?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (17:11):
I have rarely told that story.
I don't think I've ever talkedabout it on the hundreds of
podcasts that I've been on, tobe quite honest.
But it's a story that iscertainly you know in the
recesses of my mind, that I candraw up for you, and I believe I
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may have mentioned it or youwouldn't know about it.
It's certainly in one of mybooks.
I think it's maybe in GrowingSlow, but I even don't know what
book it's in honestly.
No, it's in it's All UnderControl.
I'm pretty sure it's in thebook.
It's All Under Control.
Anyway, yeah, I'd be happy toshare that story and if you have
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any questions about it, ifthere's something particularly
you want to know.
But in 2009, I was in anaccident.
I was on my way to serve at aspiritual retreat in Iowa and
when I left home it was inJanuary.
It was windy, it was quite cold, there was blowing snow, but
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everything was still on andnothing was canceled.
So I left early to make my wayfor the retreat, to get there in
time, and when I was a merefive or 10 minutes away, I was
listening to worship music and Ilook ahead on the highway and a
car is veering into my lane onthe highway and I veer off into
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the ditch.
But I am hit on my side becauseI couldn't get out of its way
quickly enough and I spun around, landed in the ditch and I was
facing the other way in theditch and I could not get out of
my car.
I was trapped inside, thewindows were crashed in, the
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parking brake was into my leg,the airbag had gone off A funny
story.
I looked at my airbag and youcan see here that I love
lipstick.
I love bright lipstick.
My smile not the smile but mylips were on that airbag.
I won't forget that momentanytime soon and I remember that
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even in my pain.
I'm like, oh, Jennifer, you andyour bright lipstick.
But I had a lot of time tothink because, man, I was stuck
there for what seemed likeforever.
Somewhere along the linesomebody called 911, the
ambulances were there and Ibegan to go into shock and I was
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very cold.
I couldn't again, I couldn'tget out.
But the wind was blowing in anda woman came down the ditch and
I didn't.
I hardly saw her, I didn't knowher, but she had a skirt on a
long skirt and she had a quiltand she held the quilt up to the
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driver's side window to stopthe wind and the snow from
coming in on me, and she wouldhave had her arms completely
outstretched and her arms up fora very long time, holding that
blanket for a very long time,holding that blanket.
Meanwhile all of the cold thatwould have been on me was
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hitting her with full force.
And again, this woman had on askirt or a dress, and the reason
being she is a part of aChristian group, of a Christian
church here that has veryconservative views about how
women dress.
So she was dressed as women inthat denomination dress.
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But despite what would havebeen a great discomfort to her,
she stood there the entire timeand I remember having just an
awareness of her, of the warmththat she brought me, not only
physically from holding thatblanket up, but the warmth that
she brought my soul due to herkindness.
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I was never able to thank herbecause I didn't have a chance
to ask who it was.
I didn't see her face, I don'tknow, but I think when you had
submitted some questions youreferred to her as an angel.
She was an actual, real person,but she was like angelic to me
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in that moment and when I lookback on it, even now, as I
describe it, it's also a picture, a metaphor of what Jesus does
for us that when we are in ourlowest point, when it feels like
things around us are very cold,very dark, when we're stuck and
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when we're alone, very darkwhen we're stuck and when we're
alone, Jesus comes to thatwindow to hold out his arms,
just as he did on the cross, butalso to hold his arms out to us
in embrace, to keep us warm, tolet us know that we're not
alone and that he will stay withus until the end.
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And for me, the end of thatended with the jaws of life
ripping open my car and me beingswooped into an ambulance with
this woman, just out of thekindness of her heart, having
taken care of me.
And yeah, it's just a reallybeautiful picture of what we can
do for each other in times ofheartache and distress.
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And, again, it's also just areally beautiful picture of what
, ultimately, Jesus did for us.
Nancy Bruscher (22:59):
Oh, that's an amazing story.
I was thinking when you putyour hands out.
I was thinking of her and Aaronon Moses's arms.
Yeah, that's so good, yeah,keeping up his arms so that he
could.
So if anyone doesn't know, Imight be saying it incorrectly.
You can.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (23:17):
Aaron and her.
You're absolutely right forMoses when they're lifting up
his arms, yep.
Nancy Bruscher (23:22):
Because God said he had to keep them up in order
to win the battle.
And you know, all day or like avery long time, and he got
tired, right.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (23:31):
That's exactly right.
Nancy Bruscher (23:32):
Yeah, so Aaron and her came and helped him, and
I thought of that, of when youwere saying that, about just
kindness and just helpingsomeone, and it might seem not
like very much, but what adifference that can make.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (23:50):
Absolutely.
Yeah, thanks for asking that.
That was you know, it's justkind of replaying again in my
mind, kind of like those corememories do when they play out
like a film in your mind.
So thanks for reminding me ofthat moment.
Nancy Bruscher (24:05):
Yes, Well, as we wrap up, I always end with
three questions, and I think I'mgoing to start with the.
What kindness have you receivedor given in the last week?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (24:16):
since we're talking about kindness, you know
, some of the kindnesses that wereceive are could be seemingly
so small, but they make such adifference at just the right
time.
I received a text message alongthe lines of God brought you to
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mind, and I just wanted you toknow that he cares for you very
much, and it was something thatmy heart needed in that moment.
So in that way, it was thekindness of the Lord delivered
through a person straight to myheart.
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At the same time, it was areminder that being kind to
others we don't have to make itbe such a big thing, even just
asking God.
Every morning lay a person onmy heart so that I might reach
out to them and remind them ofyour love and kindness toward
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them, and wait for the Lord togive you a name and then respond
.
I mean that takes a mere twominutes, I think.
Maybe you know out of our day,and just to reach out to
somebody and let them know thatthey're thought of by you, but
most of all by God, I mean whata powerful thing.
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So that really spoke to me in away that my heart needed and
also reminded me that I can dothe same for others.
Nancy Bruscher (25:56):
That's really good.
A question that I get asked alot is how does God talk to you?
How do you hear God's voice?
And I think if we start bypracticing these small prompts
that we get in our you know,kind of our head of, oh, I was
thinking of Jennifer, oh, Idon't need to text her, I don't
need to email her, I'm sureshe's fine.
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But if you take that and hey,I'm thinking of you, hey, are
you doing all right, I'm prayingfor you, and then sometimes
you'll get a response like youknow, wow, I really needed that.
Or how'd you know to get intouch with me?
And then, as we start topractice that, I believe that
that kind of God's voice, if youwill becomes clearer to us and
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oh, yeah, I should do this, oh,I should take this step and
that's what I was thinking ofwhen you were talking about.
Those are those little promptsthat seem, oh, I don't know, I
don't know if I have time forthat.
That's probably not a big deal,but a reminder that they are.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (26:58):
Yeah, they are.
And I think that it is a goodway to become practiced in
listening for the voice of God,because even if you got it wrong
, you didn't get it wrong,You're never going to.
It's never going to be wrong tospend a few minutes to
encourage somebody by picking upthe phone and calling them or
sending them a message orwhatever.
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But I think that when we hearthe voice of God, just not to
put pressure on ourselves tothink that it has to be audible.
I've never heard the audiblevoice of God.
I've heard him in my spirit,inside of me, and I think that
the way that we become fluent inthe language of God is by
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reading the words that he gaveto us.
And when we hear those thingsin our spirit that are
consistent with what we've readin scripture, what we've read in
scripture, we can feelconfident that we are ourselves
in our flesh, in our spirit,carrying out the will of God and
having heard his voicecorrectly.
Yeah, thank you for that.
Nancy Bruscher (28:07):
What are you grateful for?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (28:10):
Well, right now, as you and I record this,
it's Holy Week.
Nancy Bruscher (28:14):
Yes.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (28:16):
And I am so grateful for this week, not only
for an empty tomb, which isreally cool and really important
.
I'm grateful for the cross andwhat that means for us, the
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cross and what that means for us.
And I think it's important notto skip over the pain and the
suffering and what Jesus did forus in, you know, kind of
jumping forward to that joyfulEaster morning, but to spend
time and to be grateful for thesacrifice of Jesus.
Nancy Bruscher (28:51):
So I know that's the super churchy Sunday answer
, but that's just the honesttruth, especially this week when
my mind is so deeply engagedwith what God did for us the
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tomb, but I'm trying to thisweek, remember what the
disciples and his followers andthe people who loved him felt
like when he actually died andthey put him in a tomb, and what
they must have felt just it'sover and we thought that
something different was going tohappen, and just kind of
remembering that a little bitmore.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (29:36):
Yeah.
Nancy Bruscher (29:38):
What is your favorite Bible verse or story?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (29:40):
Oh, it's like being asked for a favorite
child.
You know, there is a story atthe end of Luke after Christ is
risen.
This is kind of my life.
It's not really a life verse,it's more like a life passage or
a life story.
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But they're on the way to Emmaus, these two travelers, and the
risen Christ comes up besidethem and he starts to unpack the
scriptures for them and they'repretty downcast because Jesus
was crucified and died and wasburied and they don't realize
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that Jesus has risen from thetomb.
They don't realize that Jesusis right now walking beside them
, but he continues to walk withthem.
He's telling some great storiesand they're like, hey, you want
to come in for dinner?
And he's like, yeah, sure.
So the risen Christ comes in.
They still don't recognize himand they're sitting at the table
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and Jesus breaks bread and allof a sudden these two travelers
have an awareness that, whoa,this was Jesus walking with us
this whole time and they look toeach other and they said did
our heart not burn within us ashe walked with us, by the way?
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And for me that is a beautifulpicture of what Jesus does for
us.
This kind of circles back towhat we first talked about.
I walked a long road when Jesuswas walking beside me, sort of
unpacking the scriptures for meall those years in my childhood,
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and I hadn't a clue that he waswalking with me that whole time
.
And I hadn't a clue that he waswalking with me that whole time
.
There came a point where I hadwhat can only be described as a
holy heartburn moment.
Did my heart not burn within meas he walked with me?
Nancy Bruscher (31:46):
by the way, the sense that, yeah, Jesus is real
and my heart burns within me andmy.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (32:02):
my goal from here on out is to have chronic
heartburn, to chronically feelthis holy heartburn for him and
never to keep it to myself, butto share that burning heart with
anybody who's willing to listen.
Nancy Bruscher (32:17):
That's so good, so good.
Well, thank you for being on.
Thank you for sharing yourstory with us.
Yes, I'm so excited to see whatGod's going to do with your.
I'm going to air quote ordinarystory.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (32:32):
Great.
Thank you Me too.
Nancy Bruscher (32:36):
Well on Ordinary People, extraordinary Things.
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Welcome to Ordinary People Extraordinary
Things.
I'm so glad that you joined us.
I'm your host, nancy Brusher.
It's Memorial Day weekend andthe beginning of summer.
Our homeschool year ended aweek ago and the summer for us
is a great time to relax butalso catch up on different
things that we don't get toduring the school year.
On Friday, I got to speak to agroup about did I hear God wrong
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?
I've enjoyed growing in thisarea and sharing more in depth
about God and my story.
Today we'll hear from JenniferDuxley, and she shares a story
that she's never shared on apodcast before let's get started
.
Welcome to Ordinary People,extraordinary Things.
I'm here with Jennifer.
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Jennifer, thanks for being onthe show.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (00:50):
It's really fun to be here.
Nancy Bruscher (00:52):
Thanks for having me and you're coming to
us from Iowa.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (00:57):
I am.
I'm on a farm in far northwestIowa.
Nancy Bruscher (01:01):
Awesome.
Thanks for joining us.
Darcy connected us and I'm soexcited to get to chat with you
today.
Well, you too, thanks forhaving me.
If someone doesn't know who youare, can you give three words
or phrases to describe yourself?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (01:15):
So I am a writer.
I'm an author of several books,including Growing Slow.
It's All Under Control.
The Happiness Stare are a fewof them.
I've been writing for a reallylong time.
I actually started writingnewspaper articles when I was 16
years old and I had a career innews before we moved to the
farm and then I started a blogin 2009,.
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And I started writing books in2014.
So I've written a couple Biblestudies and a guided journal,
and as a part of my writingcareer, I spend a lot of
weekends away from the farm andI travel around the US and
Canada speaking to women'sevents, christian women events,
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usually on the themes ofsomething that's in my book.
So that's one thing is writer.
And now, if we're going to getinto personality characteristics
, one word that came to mind wasencourager.
I spend every day onlineencouraging women in their faith
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walk on my Facebook and myInstagram.
Both of those accounts areJennifer Dukes Lee on Facebook
and Instagram, and of course,that's what I do in my books as
well, and also in my ministryout and about in the world.
I love to remind people ofGod's hope and his work in their
lives and his faithfulness overtime, and it is a joy of mine
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to just encourage people wherethey are in their journey,
wherever that happens to be,especially women who are going
through a particularly hardcircumstance in their life just
to kind of be the sort of friend, either in real life or online,
who walks alongside them andhelps them to hold on, to hope
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when it seems really hard.
So, writer, encourager.
And then another word, anadjective that describes me, I
think, really well is dedicated.
I have goals in my mind forthings that I want to achieve in
the world with God's help, andsometimes those things seem
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really big or difficult, but Ilove just putting one foot in
front of the other and beingdedicated to the call that God
has on my life.
So, for instance, writing booksis a long journey and it takes
a lot of time to put 55 to65,000 words into a book.
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And when I wrote my last book,which will come out next year, I
actually walked the entire timeI wrote it.
I was on my desk treadmill andI wrote.
I wrote it was 305 miles is howmany miles I walked while
writing, which is the distanceof going from the Hamptons in
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Long Island to the steps of theCapitol in Washington DC.
Another way of looking at it isfrom San Diego to Las Vegas,
and I use those as an examplebecause number one I got in my
mind I'm going to write thisparticular new book.
That was along themes that Ihadn't written about before, but
I was dedicated and I was alsodedicated to walking it out,
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literally walking out thismessage, and it was great.
It just brought a real energyto my book writing, but also I
got my steps in, so it waspretty fun.
Nancy Bruscher (04:44):
It sounds like a good idea.
I was like, oh, that's a greatidea to do the desk treadmill.
What would you say to someonewho does?
What happens when you havethese goals or these dreams and
they don't come true the way youwant them to?
I'm sure that's happened to youbefore.
What would you say to someonewho's listening and feeling that
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right now?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (05:08):
Well, first thing I'd say is you're not
alone.
There are very few of us outhere in the world who have made
some kind of goal and evensomething that you feel like the
Lord has put on your heart, andno matter how much effort and
time and prayer and dedicationyou put into it, it simply did
not come to pass.
And I guess the encouragementis sometimes you can only see in
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reverse, even as you look backin the rear view mirror days,
months or even years later, thatGod had an equally good plan,
or maybe even a better plan, foryou that didn't involve hitting
the goals that you had foryourself.
It's hard to hear that whenyou're in the middle of
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something that you're strivingfor and feel really strongly
about, Really truly.
These things can only be seen intime after you look back on
your life, and sometimes I thinkthere may be moments where we
have to wait all the way untilheaven to see that God had
something better for us.
So in those moments I dopractice what I preach, just
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knowing that God loves me andthat he is a kind and gracious
God and he has great plans thatdon't always align perfectly
with my own, but even if I don'thit my goals as I wanted to.
I'm learning something aboutmyself, and I'm learning
something about God in theprocess.
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Our effort is never wasted.
There's always something to begained, and I think that's true
for anybody listening right nowas well.
Nancy Bruscher (06:46):
Thank you for that.
Thank you so.
Have you always grown upknowing Jesus or, if not, can
you share how you became abeliever?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (06:58):
Sure, I grew up in the church, very much so.
I was baptized in the MethodistChurch in Marathon.
Very much so.
I was baptized in the MethodistChurch in Marathon, iowa, not
very far from where you grew up.
Nancy Bruscher (07:08):
Yeah.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (07:08):
Marathon and I was confirmed in the faith
and I stood in front of mycongregation with a white robe
and a red carnation andprofessed my belief in the Lord
as an eighth grader.
My belief in the Lord as aneighth grader.
But by the time that I was ateenager I began to have pretty
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deep intellectual doubts aboutthe existence of God.
As Christians, we believe somepretty outlandish things like
the sun standing still, seaspartying, people walking out of
their own graves and ruiningtheir own funerals.
I mean, these kinds of thingsare hard to grasp and as a child
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who had a lot of questions sidenote it's no wonder I became a
news reporter.
I have to ask questions.
But as a child who had a lot ofquestions, the logic wasn't
reconciling with what I washearing on Sunday or what I was
learning in Bible school in thesummers.
So I don't know that I wasreally an unbeliever.
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I would say I was awant-a-believer, because I
wanted to believe in who Jesuswas.
I wanted to believe that heexisted.
I wanted to believe that hereally did die for my sins and
that the Easter story is true,that he rose from the grave, and
it took me a long time to getto that place.
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But in those intervening yearsit was a really dark and
difficult time, because it'sdifficult to walk through life
thinking that when you die, thatthat is the end of things, that
there really isn't anythingafter that, which really messes
with your mind and your heart.
When you think about yourpurpose too, it's just like you
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know what's the point in life.
And I lived in that quiet, dark, muddy place for probably most
of my 20s quite honestly, dark,muddy place for probably most of
my 20s, quite honestly.
When I was in my late 20s, I wasa news reporter at the Des
Moines Register and I was oftensent on news assignment outside
of the city, sometimes locationsfar away, even outside of Iowa
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and I would sometimes turn tothe AM dial and get onto faith
radio programs.
During those faith radioprograms oftentimes there was an
altar call, so some preacherwould be giving quite a message,
unpacking the scriptures, andat the very end of his program
he would give listeners anopportunity to turn their life
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over to the Lord.
And so I did that while I'mdriving around and I'm like,
okay, am I supposed to feel anydifferent now?
And I'm telling you a few dayslater I'd be back out on the
road on a news assignment andI'd give my life to the Lord
again.
I was like if once is good, 50or 100 times is even better.
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So I don't know when it quotetook.
I don't have a simple date thatwould say to people this is the
day I became a believer.
I know a couple things.
Even when I didn't believe inGod, he believed in me.
Even when I was faithless, heremained faithful Even when I
had given up on faith.
God had not given up on me andhe was in pursuit of me all of
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that time and he was using thosequestions that I had to draw me
closer to him.
I find it absolutely remarkablethat I didn't even used to know
if I believed in God, and nowhe's like the CEO of my ministry
as well as my best friend,which just goes to show you like
God is just doing things in thebackground that we have no clue
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about.
And I think for me, a big pieceof my faith journey toward
belief was asking the questions.
I began to interrogate theBible in the same way that I
interrogated presidentialcandidates, police chiefs,
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county commissioners, mayors,and God never freaked out and
said no, you can't ask thatquestion or no comment.
He always opened the scripturesto these beautiful answers.
So I used to be a news reporterand I still am, because I'm a
good news news reporter, I ampreaching the good news in books
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and on stages, which I justfind again truly remarkable.
But no, nancy, I just don'thave that neat and tidy little
date.
All I know is that God was inpursuit and I am a believer and
he's changed my life, so much sothat I have dedicated my own
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life toward making sure thatother people know about him and
what's possible through beliefin Jesus and in following him.
Nancy Bruscher (12:03):
Hmm, that's so good.
I do like how everyone's storyis different, right, and some
people have a very specific time, but I I like how you said that
you don't, because thatactually makes me anxious.
If I'm, if people ask for aspecific time that you actually,
you know, gave your life toJesus, I'm like I don't know.
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I, you know I blessed to growup knowing about Jesus and I've
learned more and grown deeper inmy love for him.
And you know, my faith haschanged and grown and there's so
many different little things Ican say of okay, this was pretty
, you know, meaty.
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For me, this was reallysomething that grew me in my
faith or changed me.
But as far as like a specificmoment, I don't have that either
.
So I really resonate with whatyou're saying.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (12:56):
I think a lot of people are like that and
we might maybe, early in ourfaith journeys, think I don't
have a powerful testimony, butthis is this is a powerful
testimony to say I have been ona very rocky road toward Jesus
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and he has walked with me everystep of the way.
You know, most of us probablydon't have a Damascus-style
moment where, like Paul did,when he was no longer Saul and
had this really direct encounterwith the Lord, Some do, and
that's so cool.
I love those stories, but alsoI think we need to make space
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for people whose stories mayseem a little bit more ordinary
and knowing that God worksthrough those stories just as
powerfully as he does the onesthat would make front page
headlines.
Nancy Bruscher (13:50):
Right, right, and you are kind of noting
towards the name of my podcastOrdinary People, extraordinary
Things, and that's why I startedthis over three years ago, was.
You know?
I was a history major, I did alot of oral history and God
called me to this podcast and Iwas like you know, no, I don't
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have time.
But it's really more about fear.
Fear of what if I start thisand no one listens.
And then what am I going totell people when they say, hey,
how's your podcast going?
And that's what stopped me fora while.
But but then God got over thatby having someone come, just
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like you go to talk at women'sevents.
It was a women's conferencethat really drew me to to, okay,
god is saying to do this, andit really hit me that it needs
to be kind of ordinary peopleand that we all have a story.
I'm always passionate thateveryone has a story to tell,
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everyone has a testimony, if youwant to say it that way.
Everyone has a way that God hasworked in their lives and that
this is really important for usto share the gospel.
It's an easy way to share thegospel with people, and so
that's been my mission for thelast three years is kind of
getting more ordinary stories.
Now I do have people that havejust crazy, extraordinary
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stories, and those are super funto listen to as well, but I
think it's important that somany of us don't have these
really weird, crazy, amazingstories.
We're just ordinary peopleliving ordinary lives, but if
we're doing it for God, thenit's extraordinary.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (15:33):
Absolutely that's holy ground.
I mean there's nothing inscripture that says I want you
to live this spectacular life.
There's a lot in culture thatsuggests that you know we need
to have spectacular homes,spectacular families,
spectacular grades, you knowspectacular clothes and bodies
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and host spectacular parties andhave spectacular children.
And that's so much pressurewhen really ordinary life, right
where we are, is holy ground.
I mean you just look back toJesus' earthly beginning.
I mean our Savior was born in abarn, not a palace.
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He walked around and didn'treally have a home and picked
the most ordinary people for hisdisciples and invited ordinary
people into his life and wentinto the homes of ordinary
people, sinful people, toencourage and bless and convict
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them, and I think that is theway of Jesus.
It's upside down that the thingthat seems so ordinary actually
is quite extraordinary, becauseJesus is a part of it.
Nancy Bruscher (16:55):
You said that so beautifully.
Well, I heard and I can't waitto hear this story is you were
in a car accident and a womanhelped you and she just gave you
so much kindness.
Is this a story that you tellsometimes?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (17:11):
I have rarely told that story.
I don't think I've ever talkedabout it on the hundreds of
podcasts that I've been on, tobe quite honest.
But it's a story that iscertainly you know in the
recesses of my mind, that I candraw up for you, and I believe I
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may have mentioned it or youwouldn't know about it.
It's certainly in one of mybooks.
I think it's maybe in GrowingSlow, but I even don't know what
book it's in honestly.
No, it's in it's All UnderControl.
I'm pretty sure it's in thebook.
It's All Under Control.
Anyway, yeah, I'd be happy toshare that story and if you have
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any questions about it, ifthere's something particularly
you want to know.
But in 2009, I was in anaccident.
I was on my way to serve at aspiritual retreat in Iowa and
when I left home it was inJanuary.
It was windy, it was quite cold, there was blowing snow, but
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everything was still on andnothing was canceled.
So I left early to make my wayfor the retreat, to get there in
time, and when I was a merefive or 10 minutes away, I was
listening to worship music and Ilook ahead on the highway and a
car is veering into my lane onthe highway and I veer off into
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the ditch.
But I am hit on my side becauseI couldn't get out of its way
quickly enough and I spun around, landed in the ditch and I was
facing the other way in theditch and I could not get out of
my car.
I was trapped inside, thewindows were crashed in, the
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parking brake was into my leg,the airbag had gone off A funny
story.
I looked at my airbag and youcan see here that I love
lipstick.
I love bright lipstick.
My smile not the smile but mylips were on that airbag.
I won't forget that momentanytime soon and I remember that
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even in my pain.
I'm like, oh, Jennifer, you andyour bright lipstick.
But I had a lot of time tothink because, man, I was stuck
there for what seemed likeforever.
Somewhere along the linesomebody called 911, the
ambulances were there and Ibegan to go into shock and I was
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very cold.
I couldn't again, I couldn'tget out.
But the wind was blowing in anda woman came down the ditch and
I didn't.
I hardly saw her, I didn't knowher, but she had a skirt on a
long skirt and she had a quiltand she held the quilt up to the
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driver's side window to stopthe wind and the snow from
coming in on me, and she wouldhave had her arms completely
outstretched and her arms up fora very long time, holding that
blanket for a very long time,holding that blanket.
Meanwhile all of the cold thatwould have been on me was
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hitting her with full force.
And again, this woman had on askirt or a dress, and the reason
being she is a part of aChristian group, of a Christian
church here that has veryconservative views about how
women dress.
So she was dressed as women inthat denomination dress.
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But despite what would havebeen a great discomfort to her,
she stood there the entire timeand I remember having just an
awareness of her, of the warmththat she brought me, not only
physically from holding thatblanket up, but the warmth that
she brought my soul due to herkindness.
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I was never able to thank herbecause I didn't have a chance
to ask who it was.
I didn't see her face, I don'tknow, but I think when you had
submitted some questions youreferred to her as an angel.
She was an actual, real person,but she was like angelic to me
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in that moment and when I lookback on it, even now, as I
describe it, it's also a picture, a metaphor of what Jesus does
for us that when we are in ourlowest point, when it feels like
things around us are very cold,very dark, when we're stuck and
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when we're alone, very darkwhen we're stuck and when we're
alone, Jesus comes to thatwindow to hold out his arms,
just as he did on the cross, butalso to hold his arms out to us
in embrace, to keep us warm, tolet us know that we're not
alone and that he will stay withus until the end.
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And for me, the end of thatended with the jaws of life
ripping open my car and me beingswooped into an ambulance with
this woman, just out of thekindness of her heart, having
taken care of me.
And yeah, it's just a reallybeautiful picture of what we can
do for each other in times ofheartache and distress.
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And, again, it's also just areally beautiful picture of what
, ultimately, Jesus did for us.
Nancy Bruscher (22:59):
Oh, that's an amazing story.
I was thinking when you putyour hands out.
I was thinking of her and Aaronon Moses's arms.
Yeah, that's so good, yeah,keeping up his arms so that he
could.
So if anyone doesn't know, Imight be saying it incorrectly.
You can.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (23:17):
Aaron and her.
You're absolutely right forMoses when they're lifting up
his arms, yep.
Nancy Bruscher (23:22):
Because God said he had to keep them up in order
to win the battle.
And you know, all day or like avery long time, and he got
tired, right.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (23:31):
That's exactly right.
Nancy Bruscher (23:32):
Yeah, so Aaron and her came and helped him, and
I thought of that, of when youwere saying that, about just
kindness and just helpingsomeone, and it might seem not
like very much, but what adifference that can make.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (23:50):
Absolutely.
Yeah, thanks for asking that.
That was you know, it's justkind of replaying again in my
mind, kind of like those corememories do when they play out
like a film in your mind.
So thanks for reminding me ofthat moment.
Nancy Bruscher (24:05):
Yes, Well, as we wrap up, I always end with
three questions, and I think I'mgoing to start with the.
What kindness have you receivedor given in the last week?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (24:16):
since we're talking about kindness, you know
, some of the kindnesses that wereceive are could be seemingly
so small, but they make such adifference at just the right
time.
I received a text message alongthe lines of God brought you to
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mind, and I just wanted you toknow that he cares for you very
much, and it was something thatmy heart needed in that moment.
So in that way, it was thekindness of the Lord delivered
through a person straight to myheart.
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At the same time, it was areminder that being kind to
others we don't have to make itbe such a big thing, even just
asking God.
Every morning lay a person onmy heart so that I might reach
out to them and remind them ofyour love and kindness toward
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them, and wait for the Lord togive you a name and then respond
.
I mean that takes a mere twominutes, I think.
Maybe you know out of our day,and just to reach out to
somebody and let them know thatthey're thought of by you, but
most of all by God, I mean whata powerful thing.
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So that really spoke to me in away that my heart needed and
also reminded me that I can dothe same for others.
Nancy Bruscher (25:56):
That's really good.
A question that I get asked alot is how does God talk to you?
How do you hear God's voice?
And I think if we start bypracticing these small prompts
that we get in our you know,kind of our head of, oh, I was
thinking of Jennifer, oh, Idon't need to text her, I don't
need to email her, I'm sureshe's fine.
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But if you take that and hey,I'm thinking of you, hey, are
you doing all right, I'm prayingfor you, and then sometimes
you'll get a response like youknow, wow, I really needed that.
Or how'd you know to get intouch with me?
And then, as we start topractice that, I believe that
that kind of God's voice, if youwill becomes clearer to us and
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oh, yeah, I should do this, oh,I should take this step and
that's what I was thinking ofwhen you were talking about.
Those are those little promptsthat seem, oh, I don't know, I
don't know if I have time forthat.
That's probably not a big deal,but a reminder that they are.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (26:58):
Yeah, they are.
And I think that it is a goodway to become practiced in
listening for the voice of God,because even if you got it wrong
, you didn't get it wrong,You're never going to.
It's never going to be wrong tospend a few minutes to
encourage somebody by picking upthe phone and calling them or
sending them a message orwhatever.
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But I think that when we hearthe voice of God, just not to
put pressure on ourselves tothink that it has to be audible.
I've never heard the audiblevoice of God.
I've heard him in my spirit,inside of me, and I think that
the way that we become fluent inthe language of God is by
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reading the words that he gaveto us.
And when we hear those thingsin our spirit that are
consistent with what we've readin scripture, what we've read in
scripture, we can feelconfident that we are ourselves
in our flesh, in our spirit,carrying out the will of God and
having heard his voicecorrectly.
Yeah, thank you for that.
Nancy Bruscher (28:07):
What are you grateful for?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (28:10):
Well, right now, as you and I record this,
it's Holy Week.
Nancy Bruscher (28:14):
Yes.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (28:16):
And I am so grateful for this week, not only
for an empty tomb, which isreally cool and really important
.
I'm grateful for the cross andwhat that means for us, the
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cross and what that means for us.
And I think it's important notto skip over the pain and the
suffering and what Jesus did forus in, you know, kind of
jumping forward to that joyfulEaster morning, but to spend
time and to be grateful for thesacrifice of Jesus.
Nancy Bruscher (28:51):
So I know that's the super churchy Sunday answer
, but that's just the honesttruth, especially this week when
my mind is so deeply engagedwith what God did for us the
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tomb, but I'm trying to thisweek, remember what the
disciples and his followers andthe people who loved him felt
like when he actually died andthey put him in a tomb, and what
they must have felt just it'sover and we thought that
something different was going tohappen, and just kind of
remembering that a little bitmore.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (29:36):
Yeah.
Nancy Bruscher (29:38):
What is your favorite Bible verse or story?
Jennifer Dukes Lee (29:40):
Oh, it's like being asked for a favorite
child.
You know, there is a story atthe end of Luke after Christ is
risen.
This is kind of my life.
It's not really a life verse,it's more like a life passage or
a life story.
(30:02):
But they're on the way to Emmaus, these two travelers, and the
risen Christ comes up besidethem and he starts to unpack the
scriptures for them and they'repretty downcast because Jesus
was crucified and died and wasburied and they don't realize
(30:22):
that Jesus has risen from thetomb.
They don't realize that Jesusis right now walking beside them
, but he continues to walk withthem.
He's telling some great storiesand they're like, hey, you want
to come in for dinner?
And he's like, yeah, sure.
So the risen Christ comes in.
They still don't recognize himand they're sitting at the table
(30:45):
and Jesus breaks bread and allof a sudden these two travelers
have an awareness that, whoa,this was Jesus walking with us
this whole time and they look toeach other and they said did
our heart not burn within us ashe walked with us, by the way?
(31:10):
And for me that is a beautifulpicture of what Jesus does for
us.
This kind of circles back towhat we first talked about.
I walked a long road when Jesuswas walking beside me, sort of
unpacking the scriptures for meall those years in my childhood,
(31:30):
and I hadn't a clue that he waswalking with me that whole time
.
And I hadn't a clue that he waswalking with me that whole time
.
There came a point where I hadwhat can only be described as a
holy heartburn moment.
Did my heart not burn within meas he walked with me?
Nancy Bruscher (31:46):
by the way, the sense that, yeah, Jesus is real
and my heart burns within me andmy.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (32:02):
my goal from here on out is to have chronic
heartburn, to chronically feelthis holy heartburn for him and
never to keep it to myself, butto share that burning heart with
anybody who's willing to listen.
Nancy Bruscher (32:17):
That's so good, so good.
Well, thank you for being on.
Thank you for sharing yourstory with us.
Yes, I'm so excited to see whatGod's going to do with your.
I'm going to air quote ordinarystory.
Jennifer Dukes Lee (32:32):
Great.
Thank you Me too.
Nancy Bruscher (32:36):
Well on Ordinary People, extraordinary Things.
Your story is his glory.
Thanks so much for listening.
If this podcast has encouragedor helped you in any way, I'd be
so grateful if you shared itwith others.
Here are a few simple ways toshare Text the episode, link to
a friend who could use some hope, share it on your social media
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Leave a quick rating or review.
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Mention it in a conversation.
Word of mouth goes a long way.
Thank you for helping spreadstories of faith and hope.
We'll be back in two weeks withShauna Goldstein, who shares
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how to be more intentional yeteasily share faith with your
kids or kids that are in yourlife.
Until next time, keep sharingyour story.
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