November 13, 2024 • 41 mins
Prostate massage and dearmouring is perhaps the least understood process of the body with the greatest potential for healing, empowerment, pleasure and health. Stine & Asim are perhaps the world’s foremost experts in facilitating, teaching and guiding this sacred experience and initiation of releasing past wounds, expanding erotic bliss, and merging the inner feminine and inner masculine into sexual wholeness.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Organic Sexuality, where we explore the
restoration of pleasure, thereclamation of sexual
sovereignty and the realizationof our embodied sexual nature.
An invitation to honor thepleasures of your body by
embodying the pleasures of yournature.
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By embodying the pleasures ofyour nature, I'm your host, rahi
Chan.
I'm a certified somatic sexeducator, sexological body
worker and creator of SomaticSexual Wholeness.
Our first interview with SteenaEnnisine three years ago in
Season 1 generated the mostdownloads of any Organic
(00:44):
Sexuality Podcast episode andfocused on the incredible
benefits of prostate massage andwhat guided them to create the
pioneering prosthetic portal.
Consider this episode a parttwo, as Astina and Asim return
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to guide us through the processof a first-time prostate massage
, both for the receiver and forthe giver, valuable
considerations of what to expectand how the sacred process
unfolds.
Their pioneering work andtraining now includes an online
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course for prostate owners andfor their partners to explore in
the privacy of their own homeand in their own time.
I am really, really excited toinvite back to the podcast
Steena and Asim.
Invite back to the podcastSteena and Asim.
(01:50):
It's pretty rare to have guestscome back to the podcast, but
one.
It's been three years since ourfirst interview and the first
interview that we did on theProsthetic Portal.
Their pioneering work onprostate health, massage and
pleasure was the most downloadedepisode in the whole podcast
series.
I think there's close to 3,000downloads.
(02:10):
So clearly there is a curiosityand an interest in prostate
health, prostate pleasure andprostate massage.
So I wanted to have them backon so we could kind of do a part
two and build on it.
Stina Asim, thank you forjoining the podcast again.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, I'm so excited that we can go deeper, together
with you on this topic.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Wonderful.
I love going deeper.
Okay, and we, yeah, given thisis prostate massage, we must go
deeper.
We must go as deep as we can.
Let me yes, let me introduceStina and Asim to our audience.
So Stina is a holistic bodytherapist, a midwife, an
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integral sexologist specializingin sexual health for all
genders, working withde-armoring and healing sexual
trauma, birth trauma, prostatehealth.
She facilitates workshops andtrainings all around Europe and
is based in Denmark and Holland.
Aseem, sacred Fire, is a tantricbody worker, shamanic
practitioner and energetichealer, educated in koala,
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tantra, core shamanism, lumilumi massage, energetic healing
and tarot.
Aseem facilitates sessions,workshops and ceremonies in a
blend of tantra, yoga andshamanism, also in Copenhagen,
and is originally from theNetherlands.
So for listeners who have notheard the first podcast, please
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do so Again.
It was the most popular podcastand we covered a lot of
wonderful information,specifically how the prosthetic
portal draws on the depths ofwisdom from a wide variety of
cultural traditions involvingsomatic psychology, physiology,
sexuality and tantra.
It's a really holistic andcomplete exploration of health,
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pleasure and the spiritualbenefits of this incredible
gateway which is the prostate inthe body.
We talked about how the tissueof the womb and uterus is the
same tissue that makes up themale prostate and, as such,
holds unintegrated issues andemotions relating to unbirthed
dreams, purpose and intentionsfor prostate owners.
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We talked about the wide rangeof health benefits, including
increasing blood flow, drainingtoxins, softening muscles and
ligaments, relieving lower backpain, everything from
alleviating enlarged prostates,which cause frequent urination,
to how to separate orgasm fromejaculation, leading to
multi-orgasmic states of being.
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So you know it's no surprisethat it was such a popular
podcast.
I thought today, steena andAsim, we could focus on really
helping the listeners understandwhat the process is, as you
guys, I mean, I consider thelisteners understand what the
process is, as you guys, I mean,I consider the two of you the
foremost experts in the worldregarding prostate health and
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massage, and I think it would behelpful for listeners to
understand, like, what it's liketo go through a prostate, to go
through the process of prostatemassage, of prostate massage,
to go through the process ofprostate massage.
So how do you guys prepareclients or students mentally,
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emotionally and physically toprepare for a prostate massage,
and what are the most importantsteps as you guide them through
this deep and sacred andprofound experience?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, I think, first and foremost, like really we
like to call it the fear of thefart talk, like when we have
this, the workshops, and alsowith clients, really kind of
really making it quitetransparent and open exactly
what is going to happen on avery practical level, because
there are so many unspoken fearsand anxiety about going to this
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place, both for for the giverbut very much for the receiver,
like there's so many taboosabout having that area of your
body touched, especially theanus, homo big fear, like there
can be so many things that canbe kind of in the back side of
the mind but, it's so sovulnerable to share in a group
or even being on one-on-one withme.
(06:32):
So what?
I think the feedback we get ina lot of workshops is like wow,
you make it so sound, so naturaland so like safe, like I really
feared all these things and itwas just nothing like it to go
there with you yeah, so,especially all the shame this
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can be around it.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So we try to bypass that by being very practical and
also, and okay, you know, andif it smells, it smells, but it
won't smell.
So uh, and, and yeah, so tomake it uh, to mention it, and
um, and it's, it's take, takesaway the fears and the, the, the
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shames that are hidden in, uh,inside yeah, try to make some
jokes and like make it a littlebit funny once in a while as
well, and right, right.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, I think that's so wise because I'm sure people
who've never had a finger intheir anus or prostate massage I
mean it's so great to just getit all out in the open.
You're actually pulling outwhat they're thinking or what
they're afraid of in theunconscious, so that the fears
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are out, so it doesn't have tobe a fear anymore.
So things like taboo around theanus, fears about being dirty
or smelly, fears about, like yousaid, homophobic fears all of
that that's great.
(08:08):
What have you found to beimportant as far as, like
down-regulating the client'snervous system to actually be
receptive to that part of thebody, because it's such a
sensitive, vulnerable part ofthe body?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, we kind of developed a specific breath work
for that.
Ah, that is like, really like,like stepping on of knowledge of
the tantric world and and alsothe vagal theories of like how
can we like regulate our nervoussystem?
Because that part of the bodyis really the one part that
really tenses up a lot whenwe're in the sympathetic and a
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lot of these muscle groups thatwe are indirectly or directly
touching.
Is is not really like lettinggo and surrendering in that mode
.
So, however, we can supportpeople to more in the path of
mesetic state of the nervoussystem is is something we
designed, a specific breath workthat we call the anal flower
breath, and, yeah, so that canbe used for so many other things
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than prostate massage, but wejust really customize it
specifically for prostatemassage.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's terrific.
It's so interesting becausewhen the body feels fear or a
threat of security, it is theanus that clenches, and here you
are entering that very areathat's used to clenching.
So it sounds like tailoringthis breath work is really a key
to preparing the body for thisentry.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And then we talk a lot about, like the goal
orientated experience likeobviously a lot of people
receiving prostate massages aremale and, uh, that, like the
goal orientated approach tothings, is quite dominant once
in a while.
So we really speak a lot intoyou have to let go of a goal to
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experience this and having thatpart of your body letting go and
going into surrender.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, that's part of relaxing the whole nervous
system.
I mean, if someone's fixated ona goal, they're going be, um,
not particularly present to allof the sensations and what's
actually happening in their bodyin the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Um, and that's also what we see when we do the
workshops and I also work withclient if there's any hint of
like performance in it itdoesn't really work very well,
because then there's a goalagain.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So it's really inviting like a real complete
surrender to receiving, which isso unlike a lot of, I guess,
masculine kind of ways of movingin the world.
It's really teaching men toreally get in touch with their
inner feminine, if you will, andbe in a receptive mode.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Because when and to make itspecific to when men have having
sex, you know they are incontraction.
So when men are there thrustingtheir lingam, and so they have
this contraction, even thoughthey're conscious of not having
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a goal, still you keep havingcontrol.
And what is very special aboutprostate massage is that you
surrender that control tosomebody else and then you can
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come.
Only then you can come toreceive pleasure from the
prostate.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Otherwise, you keep being too contracted from the
prostate, otherwise you keepbeing too contracted.
Yeah, it's really fascinatingbecause the male body is so used
to being the doer or thepenetrator or the thruster that
it's almost like unconscious,like the body's memory is almost
like so used to doing thatreally being entered for, like
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receiving, being receptive is,you know, can be a whole new
experience for the body and forthe body's psyche.
You know, I mean I mentionedthis in the first interview.
I just I became so much moresensitive, I think a better
lover, but sensitive andempathic to how vulnerable it is
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to receive after starting, youknow, after my first prostate
massage.
So I'd love to, I'd love totake our, our audience, our
listeners, like kind of througha process, process of prostate
massage, of prostate massage, soyou know, the breath work
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that's tailored to relax thebody, to down, regulate the
nervous system, sounds really,really beautiful.
And then, when you first makecontact with the external
sphincter or the mouth of theanus, what is?
How do you guide couples or howdo you facilitate that process?
Because that could be for a lotof bodies the first time
they're receiving a finger inthe area.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I think when we guide the massage we kind of
start even before the anus.
We guide people into differenttechniques of releasing tension
in the pelvic, into differenttechniques of releasing tension
in the pelvic, because we kindof believe that it's not only
like working with the prostateis not only working directly on
the prostate, it's very muchworking on all the structures
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that are holding the prostate.
That has a very deep impact onthe prostate.
So we just like really startwith going slowly towards the
area and we guide them into thisbreath and we guide them into
slowness and we guide them intomaybe in this experience, you
will only work on the anus, youmight not even get to the
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prostate.
Like, constantly trying to takethe goal out of the experience
and be present with what is andthat's also we kind of made a
quote of ourselves in the onlineprosthetic portal program is
that the prosthetic portal isnot going to give you what you
want.
It's going to give you what youneed.
So meeting it with thatanticipation instead of wanting
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to go somewhere specific or havea specific experience.
And then you know people caneither wear gloves or do it with
without fingers of course,wearing a lot of oil.
There's no lubricant in thearea.
That also gives people sense ofsafety.
With the like, if you have alot of oil in your finger and no
poo is going to stick to thefinger, like those kind of
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informations, and then it'sreally slowing down, we guide
them into some very basic,simple jammering techniques,
because there can be a lot oftension, a lot of pain,
discomfort, armor on the anusitself, and so it's really a big
part of a prostate massage isactually the anus.
So we're not only offeringprostate massage, it's actually
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also like an anal massage inthat sense, because it's so
linked.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right, right.
So what I'm hearing is theprosthetic portal, and prostate
massage is really inviting anexploration of the whole pelvis
and the anal canal Right.
It's like the whole package andalso the root of the lingam.
Like the root of the lingam is,meeting, the prostate in that
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area is also really an area thata lot of men can benefit from
having explored connecting to it, massage relief, tension in
that area, because it alsoaffects prostate, sexual
performance, so many things yeah, that's so um important to
convey to listeners that youknow engaging with the prostate
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is it can be a really multistepped experience where you're
really moving so slowly from theoutside in and releasing any
tension from the outside in,from the external sphincter, you
know, layer by layer.
So it's really kind of like youknow it's inviting a deep
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intimacy with the pelvis itselfbut also kind of I don't know, I
want to say rebirthing thepelvis into a new pelvis before
getting to the prostate.
Yeah, I'm curious, like I'msure, with so many different
prostate owners and bodies, theprocess and the experience is so
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different for everyone.
You know everyone has differentlevels of tension and trauma
and issues that are held in thearea.
I'm wondering, in the workshopsthat you guys facilitate and I
attended one in Amsterdam withyou guys and it was so
beautifully held and facilitatedwhat are some of the common
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experiences that first-timeprostate massage receivers have
that surprised them about thatpart of their body, about their
anal sphincters or the analcanal?
What are some commondiscoveries that your clients or
students make as they'reexploring their anal canal and
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the issues held there?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
yeah.
So what the when it's the firsttime that they receive a anal
massage or a prostate massage,then then they mostly say, oh,
it's, it's actually quite normaland it's, it's, it's very
natural.
So it is again, all thethoughts that they created
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around it are taken away andthat is, oh, it's very natural
to have and it's natural to havepleasure from that.
So that is very common, thatthey say that have pleasure from
that, and so that is verycommon, that they, that they say
that.
And then, and then the secondthing is that, um, yeah, if they
, if they read, uh, if they havesome experience then with our
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approach, then they can.
Um, that they say for, oh, it'sso much relaxing, I'm very used
of having it more, that it'sactively engaged and that now
this is more in a relaxed stateand now I'm feeling more instead
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of holding on.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You can also have people that say I don't feel a
thing.
That's also normal, and thensome frustration can come up
from that.
And then there are also guyssaying wow.
I connected to the wholelineage of men in my family and
all of a sudden I see how thingscan heal like really profound
Wow or orgasmic experiencing.
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There was one guy in a festival.
We met him like four or fivehours after the workshop and he
was like I'm still shaking.
I'm still shaking like this soit can go in so many directions,
so many directions, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, so I'm hearing Asim share that a lot of people
respond in a way where theyrealize how normal and how
relaxing the experience can be.
Because I think, I think youknow like a lot of men have the
experience of going to thedoctor and getting their
prostates, you know, like a justkind of a looped finger getting
stuck in there.
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But the way that you guide, uh,your students and clients with
the breath work and going layerby layer and slowing down and
being really receptive andfeeling everything, it sounds
like there can be a lot morerelaxation and normalizing of
the experience and the range ofresponses can go from numbness
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to extreme pleasure and kind ofecstatic state.
So it can really be anythingbut how amazing that you know
the body can be explored in sucha safe and gentle way to
discover what is actually thereto be felt and to be released.
I'm curious I know when youcreated the prosthetic portal
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online course, there was a lotof thought that went into how to
support people when they'reteaching people, when you know
the internal anal canal can holddifferent, you know various
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traumas, whether it's sexualviolation or fears of security,
like how do you teach people tohold space for that kind of
material to show up.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, so that's.
We had some hesitations makingthe online program because we
could not be present if all of asudden people go into a full
trauma release in a session likethat and then is the giver of
the prostate massage capable ofholding that space?
But it is something that we'readdressing in the online course
and we're talking about thedifferent kind of traumas that
can make the origin of them, howthey can show up and how you
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can handle them.
But we also kind of put in somesome like safety pieces into to
the online program where wekind of say, if you have this
and this and this, maybe it'snot good to do it.
Like, if this comes up, whatcan you do then?
If that doesn't work, then dothat comes up, what can you do
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then.
If that doesn't work, then dothat.
And in the end of that that wealso kind of keep like an email
line open.
If people really feel lost andand need support, then we will
just so love them to reach outfor us and then we can guide
them and maybe people need to goeventually to some kind of
practitioner that can actuallywork with them very specifically
, unless they need that kind ofsupport, maybe if something
really comes up that they cannotregulate or hold space for
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themselves, Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So you've really like thought it through in sharing
the possible responses traumaticresponses that can happen, and
what to do in that case, and itsounds like there's like an
email correspondence line that'sopen so you guys are can make
yourselves available, um, incase that happens as well.
Um, I'm I'm really curiousabout the surprising pleasure
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that students or clientsdiscover that they didn't know
was possible, like what youmentioned at the festival, like
the guy being in an ecstaticstate for hours after.
I'm guessing a lot of studentsand clients are very I mean,
there's a deep curiosity aboutwhat pleasure exists around
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their prostate.
I guess I'm wondering, like,for students and clients who are
very curious about theirpleasure potential, do you guide
them in a different way?
Are there tips that you shareabout how to engage with the
prostate or the anal canal thatsupports more of a pleasure
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exploration for them?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah, I think the most important thing is that you
, you have to be able to movethe energy inside into the body,
and so and we work a lot withthat, with a different breath
work tend to got me, sarah, toto so when so, when we generate
energy, we pull the energy intothe body.
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And well, when you have apenile orgasm, you know it's
very intense and it's like goingup the mountain and then when
you drop off the peak, peak,then you're having the orgasm
and and and you're shooting outyour energy, yes, and but
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because the prostate is locatedinside the body.
So then the, the energy isreleased in the body, and when
you then are able to move thatenergy up instead of out, and
then you can expand the energyin your body and but also expand
the pleasure inside your body,and then you have a very
different experience of ofhaving an orgasm or having
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pleasure.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
um, in, yeah, because it's more inside and it's not
uncommon that some menexperience when you touch their
prostate they feel like atinkling or like in the tip of
the penis, so that they are kindof connected through different
nerve endings and wiring.
So you can also use like, likecreating pleasure, where it's
quite well known and why youquite feel safe, feeling
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pleasure, usually touching thetip of the lingam, making some
kind of massage on the lingamwhile massaging the prostate.
So kind of you can connect thetwo dots.
Neuroplasticity, like the brain, is discovering these new
pathways of pleasure from beingtouched in an area you haven't
been touched before.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So that's also a way to guide this Because when the
prostate has never been touched,touched then the body doesn't
know what to do with the signalsand it's it's uh.
So then it's very good to tohave some pleasure, touch on the
lingam or somewhere else.
That you have that, that thebody is, is taught, that it's
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pleasure, that it can bepleasure.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And most men.
They need that to awaken thepleasure potential.
Some men can have itspontaneously.
Never had experience.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
that happens too, but quite often they need a bit of
support in that way to go inthis new path.
So, yeah, what I'm hearing is,because the prostate for most
people have never been touchedmanually or never been touched
at all, there's an incredibleopportunity to wire pleasure
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from the lingam with theprostate as it's being touched
for the first time.
Yes, that's fantastic becausewe are so Pavlovian, you know,
and how we get wired, that thatis that sounds like fun.
It's fun and it's just such acool way to engage with this
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sacred portal in the body For me.
I feel like I mean, asim, whatyou shared about the internal
energy because of where theprostate is positioned inside of
the body, that that makes somuch sense.
Um, I, you know, I feel like,for I feel like my exploration
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of separating ejaculation fromorgasm really came from from
prostate massage, self-prostatemassage, and, um, I didn't have
to necessarily consciously likedo a microcosmic orbit just
because the prostate is sointernal, the energy was, was
being released inside without mereally needing to do anything.
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That's awesome, yeah, yeah.
So I'm curious because I knowyou guys.
I'm curious because I know youguys.
Well, let's talk aboutintegration, because you know
it's such a vulnerable, you know, deep, deep part of the human
psyche and the prostate owner'sbody.
How do you guide your studentsor practitioners to facilitate,
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like?
What are the tips you share inregards to integrating from a
prostate massage?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
like what are the tips you share in regards to
integrating from a prostatemassage?
Yeah, so we have this kind ofalso like piece or chapter that
is called what to expect after aprostate massage.
So we kind of try to tellpeople what they can expect the
following days after receive theprostate massage or even giving
it.
So it's specific for the onegiving, like how to cleanse
yourself.
You really have to have yourfinger inside this, like
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sometimes this can be like thisis like a hot spot of so much
emotion, not like taking thatinto your system.
So that's one part of it andthen the other part is for the
men that can have so many, likethe peeing sensations.
The peeing flow can change, thepoo can change, the emotional
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letting go of bullshit canchange and it can come days
after.
It can really like have thisafterglow effect for days.
So we try to be very specific.
What can happen and then noticeit, notice it and then see okay
, what does that remind me of?
What can I learn from thisexperience?
Have somebody to share aboutafterwards, either the one
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giving or somebody else like to,really, because it comes in
layers and it can come in withdelayed messages no it's um I
always say from you know, yourshit is stirred.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
All your shit is stirred, so then anything can
happen that can come up.
You know, it's all in thedarkness, but now it's stirred
and so it can come to thesurface.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, something I really appreciated about our
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first interview, asim.
I remember you know you reallywere commenting on how it is the
darkest kind of you know.
It's like the most innermostdark place of the body where
there is so much shadow and sowe are stirring, you know, kind
of what's in the shadow to comeinto consciousness and to be
revealed and released, lettingpeople know, in the prosthetic
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portal, all of the possiblethings that can come up and how
to take care of themselvesduring, during the integration
which is so so key.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And then we also offer the Zoom calls, like if
you're part of the online thing,that that you can kind of come
with Q and A or come with youknow, get advice or share your
experience.
So so also kind of wanting tooffer, um, the support that way.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So people have uh like opportunity to create an
email thread or hop onto a zoomcall to support you know any,
any questions or integrationprocess, or I'm curious about
whether there are possibilitiesthere are with their prostate
experience.
You know something youmentioned, steena, about the
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giver not taking on the energyof the prostate owner.
That's a really, reallyimportant preparation thing for
the giver.
I'm wondering you know we'vebeen talking about the prostate
owner and the receiversexperience what have you noticed
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in first time givers and theirexperience of, you know,
entering the body of theirbeloved or, uh, you know, in
such a deep and sacred way?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
you know in such a deep and sacred way.
Yeah, so I think one thing thatis really often like a topic is
already like the polarity if,especially if it is their
private, romantically partner orlover that if the roles always
have been reversed, the guybeing the penetrating or the one
being more the doer that nowthey, they change those roles
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and that's not all women that iscomfortable with that, and so
that could look like when thewoman start to give the prostate
massage that the man is stillvery much directing no, no touch
me here, no, not there.
Go a little bit deeper and theyjust follow along, and then like
there's no surrender happeningand then that dynamic is just
showing up.
So that could be one thing thatwe see.
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And then it can be aboutwearing gloves, not gloves.
Mostly, if it's your privatepartner a lot, prefer not to
wear gloves because it's sodifficult the first time to feel
stuff in there and people getconfused when they're wearing a
glove.
So that's another thing.
Then we can also see that thewoman is so eager to give her
man a prostate orgasm that thenit becomes goal-orientated
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through the giver.
Yes.
And then we can see the responsecan be in the man no, I'm not
going to give you my prostateorgasm for your sake.
That kind of thing can happen.
So that is really interesting.
And then the the like verypractical experience, like, oh
my god, my finger is burninginside, like it's so hot or it's
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so stinging, or it's so tightand and everything is just
conducted through that that areayou're touching and it becomes
really, really intense and it'slike people cramping up their
shoulders and stop breathing andlike it becomes so tense yeah
wow, the tenseness of the anusjust travels up that arm and
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yeah yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It's amazing how um the energy can transfer when one
is not conscious and aware ofall of all of what can happen.
But, you know, it's sointeresting the way you describe
the female wanting to, you know, elicit an orgasm from the male
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prostate.
It's.
It's such a role reversal,isn't it?
It's like, yeah, it's so commonfor that, for that to be the
man wanting to give a woman anorgasm and I don't know, in some
ways it's probably a goodteacher for the man to realize
what that feels like.
So I'm very curious about Iknow it was a process to create
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the online course through theprosthetic portal, and so much
goes into creating a course,like deciding what information
to keep in and what informationto pull out.
What were some of the mainobjectives in how you decided to
include the information thatyou did in the online course,
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because I know it was a lot.
It sounds like it was a lot ofconsideration of how to make it
as most trauma-informed aspossible as most trauma-informed
as possible.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah, it was mostly about how we can be guided to
give a safe prostate orgasm.
Yes, especially because if yougo to the online course, that is
an introductionary course andso it's very much about what to
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do and about the safety to andyeah, less about very specific
details, because then it becomesit would get lost in it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
yes, the feedback we get from our workshops is so
precise.
It's so detailed the feedbackwe got from people who've done
the online course.
It's like all of a sudden.
I could do a breast massage.
Usually you can just stick afinger up the ass and look
around for it.
Here we really try to put itinto small little blocks, step
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by step, All the things you needto explore, experience, get
confident in before going forthe full massage of your
prostate.
So really dissecting it intosmall bits.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And the first very large part of the course is just
that we share about it and thenin in pieces and so before we
go into it, and even even themassage itself, we, we, uh, we
have like a run through of allthe steps, um, before the
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actually massage is done.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So you've really broken down the process into
digestible, easily to understandsteps before really inviting
the experience so people canunderstand intellectually, they
can prepare their bodies, theiremotions, they can understand
what can happen.
Yeah, it sounds amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And okay.
So how do people find thecourse?
Where do they go?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
they go to the prosthetic portalcom okay, the
prosthetic portalcom and I know,um, there's the same sacred
fire, uh website and website anduh, I'm a Soma.
Are there links to the person?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
We also made like, whenever we make stuff together,
we call us sacred Soma.
Um, so there's a website therewhere you can, and that's linked
out.
Yeah.
So there are four websites youcan go to.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Wow.
Okay, but the main one is theprosthetic portalcom.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
For the online and everything related to the
prostate.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yes, awesome, awesome .
Um, guys, I'm so excited thatyou've created this service.
I mean it's, it's amazing.
I mean it really blows my mind,like it blew my mind the first
time I experienced my ownprostate, and I just think you
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know, if you have a body, youhave to really understand how to
optimize your health, releasetoxins, heal traumas, increase
pleasure.
I mean it just advanceseverything in regards to your
understanding of lovemaking andand your body, and here you've
created this really, reallydigestible.
(38:31):
I mean you've curated all ofthe, the wisdom that that that
you've been researching andfacilitating for years into this
online portal.
I just think it's a tremendousservice.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And I just think like we really like to use the tree
as a symbol.
Like whatever happens in theroot will show up in the rest of
the tree.
So whatever work you do on thatarea, it's so beneficial for it
just, you know, creates rebelsin the world to the rest of the
being.
Yeah, I also just want to usethis opportunity to like really
(39:08):
thank for you.
Like you, you've been a bigsupport and a guidance for us in
this, so I just want to reallyshare that we'll be so grateful
for for for your support andyour encouragement through this,
this process.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
You've been a big part of it oh well, I've really
enjoyed it and I've it's beenexciting to watch it evolve.
I cannot wait for people todiscover it and find it.
So it's the prostheticportalcomand you can get all the
information and details there,and you guys have a special
going on until the end ofNovember.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, so it's like an opening premiere kind of big
discount.
Basically you save off the Watttaxes 25% so in November.
So it's like an openingpremiere kind of big discount
and basically save up the whattaxes 25% so in November.
And then we have plans toalready two Zoom calls for
everybody signing up in thatmonth, like one in December, one
in January.
Awesome.
And we also record the Zoomcalls if people can't make them,
of course.
Yeah, so we just really want tointeract with people.
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That jumps on this, thisjourney, because we learned so
much from the questions as well,and yeah, Beautiful, Beautiful
Guys.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Thank you so much for returning and sharing your
wisdom and offering this intothe world.
I'm so excited for everyone tohop on and check it out.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Thank you so much.
Thank you so?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
much, jorge, thank you, thank you.
How is this episode landing foryou and your body right now?
If you're a prostate owner, arethere inquiries you have about
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what material may be held in andaround your prostate waiting to
be released and metabolized, orwhat potential in the realms of
pleasure, health and embodimentawait you?
If you're a lover of a prostateowner?
(41:14):
Is touching into this mostsacred and vulnerable part of
their body and psyche anexperience you might want to
hold space for?
You might want to hold spacefor.
Links to theprostheticportalcomand Steena and Asim's websites
are in the show notes.
Until next time, take good care.
Welcome to Organic Sexuality, where we explore the
restoration of pleasure, thereclamation of sexual
sovereignty and the realizationof our embodied sexual nature.
An invitation to honor thepleasures of your body by
embodying the pleasures of yournature.
(00:23):
By embodying the pleasures ofyour nature, I'm your host, rahi
Chan.
I'm a certified somatic sexeducator, sexological body
worker and creator of SomaticSexual Wholeness.
Our first interview with SteenaEnnisine three years ago in
Season 1 generated the mostdownloads of any Organic
(00:44):
Sexuality Podcast episode andfocused on the incredible
benefits of prostate massage andwhat guided them to create the
pioneering prosthetic portal.
Consider this episode a parttwo, as Astina and Asim return
(01:05):
to guide us through the processof a first-time prostate massage
, both for the receiver and forthe giver, valuable
considerations of what to expectand how the sacred process
unfolds.
Their pioneering work andtraining now includes an online
(01:25):
course for prostate owners andfor their partners to explore in
the privacy of their own homeand in their own time.
I am really, really excited toinvite back to the podcast
Steena and Asim.
Invite back to the podcastSteena and Asim.
(01:50):
It's pretty rare to have guestscome back to the podcast, but
one.
It's been three years since ourfirst interview and the first
interview that we did on theProsthetic Portal.
Their pioneering work onprostate health, massage and
pleasure was the most downloadedepisode in the whole podcast
series.
I think there's close to 3,000downloads.
(02:10):
So clearly there is a curiosityand an interest in prostate
health, prostate pleasure andprostate massage.
So I wanted to have them backon so we could kind of do a part
two and build on it.
Stina Asim, thank you forjoining the podcast again.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, I'm so excited that we can go deeper, together
with you on this topic.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Wonderful.
I love going deeper.
Okay, and we, yeah, given thisis prostate massage, we must go
deeper.
We must go as deep as we can.
Let me yes, let me introduceStina and Asim to our audience.
So Stina is a holistic bodytherapist, a midwife, an
(02:58):
integral sexologist specializingin sexual health for all
genders, working withde-armoring and healing sexual
trauma, birth trauma, prostatehealth.
She facilitates workshops andtrainings all around Europe and
is based in Denmark and Holland.
Aseem, sacred Fire, is a tantricbody worker, shamanic
practitioner and energetichealer, educated in koala,
(03:18):
tantra, core shamanism, lumilumi massage, energetic healing
and tarot.
Aseem facilitates sessions,workshops and ceremonies in a
blend of tantra, yoga andshamanism, also in Copenhagen,
and is originally from theNetherlands.
So for listeners who have notheard the first podcast, please
(03:40):
do so Again.
It was the most popular podcastand we covered a lot of
wonderful information,specifically how the prosthetic
portal draws on the depths ofwisdom from a wide variety of
cultural traditions involvingsomatic psychology, physiology,
sexuality and tantra.
It's a really holistic andcomplete exploration of health,
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pleasure and the spiritualbenefits of this incredible
gateway which is the prostate inthe body.
We talked about how the tissueof the womb and uterus is the
same tissue that makes up themale prostate and, as such,
holds unintegrated issues andemotions relating to unbirthed
dreams, purpose and intentionsfor prostate owners.
(04:27):
We talked about the wide rangeof health benefits, including
increasing blood flow, drainingtoxins, softening muscles and
ligaments, relieving lower backpain, everything from
alleviating enlarged prostates,which cause frequent urination,
to how to separate orgasm fromejaculation, leading to
multi-orgasmic states of being.
(04:48):
So you know it's no surprisethat it was such a popular
podcast.
I thought today, steena andAsim, we could focus on really
helping the listeners understandwhat the process is, as you
guys, I mean, I consider thelisteners understand what the
process is, as you guys, I mean,I consider the two of you the
foremost experts in the worldregarding prostate health and
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massage, and I think it would behelpful for listeners to
understand, like, what it's liketo go through a prostate, to go
through the process of prostatemassage, of prostate massage,
to go through the process ofprostate massage.
So how do you guys prepareclients or students mentally,
(05:32):
emotionally and physically toprepare for a prostate massage,
and what are the most importantsteps as you guide them through
this deep and sacred andprofound experience?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, I think, first and foremost, like really we
like to call it the fear of thefart talk, like when we have
this, the workshops, and alsowith clients, really kind of
really making it quitetransparent and open exactly
what is going to happen on avery practical level, because
there are so many unspoken fearsand anxiety about going to this
(06:09):
place, both for for the giverbut very much for the receiver,
like there's so many taboosabout having that area of your
body touched, especially theanus, homo big fear, like there
can be so many things that canbe kind of in the back side of
the mind but, it's so sovulnerable to share in a group
or even being on one-on-one withme.
(06:32):
So what?
I think the feedback we get ina lot of workshops is like wow,
you make it so sound, so naturaland so like safe, like I really
feared all these things and itwas just nothing like it to go
there with you yeah, so,especially all the shame this
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can be around it.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So we try to bypass that by being very practical and
also, and okay, you know, andif it smells, it smells, but it
won't smell.
So uh, and, and yeah, so tomake it uh, to mention it, and
um, and it's, it's take, takesaway the fears and the, the, the
(07:16):
shames that are hidden in, uh,inside yeah, try to make some
jokes and like make it a littlebit funny once in a while as
well, and right, right.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, I think that's so wise because I'm sure people
who've never had a finger intheir anus or prostate massage I
mean it's so great to just getit all out in the open.
You're actually pulling outwhat they're thinking or what
they're afraid of in theunconscious, so that the fears
(07:47):
are out, so it doesn't have tobe a fear anymore.
So things like taboo around theanus, fears about being dirty
or smelly, fears about, like yousaid, homophobic fears all of
that that's great.
(08:08):
What have you found to beimportant as far as, like
down-regulating the client'snervous system to actually be
receptive to that part of thebody, because it's such a
sensitive, vulnerable part ofthe body?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, we kind of developed a specific breath work
for that.
Ah, that is like, really like,like stepping on of knowledge of
the tantric world and and alsothe vagal theories of like how
can we like regulate our nervoussystem?
Because that part of the bodyis really the one part that
really tenses up a lot whenwe're in the sympathetic and a
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lot of these muscle groups thatwe are indirectly or directly
touching.
Is is not really like lettinggo and surrendering in that mode
.
So, however, we can supportpeople to more in the path of
mesetic state of the nervoussystem is is something we
designed, a specific breath workthat we call the anal flower
breath, and, yeah, so that canbe used for so many other things
(09:09):
than prostate massage, but wejust really customize it
specifically for prostatemassage.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That's terrific.
It's so interesting becausewhen the body feels fear or a
threat of security, it is theanus that clenches, and here you
are entering that very areathat's used to clenching.
So it sounds like tailoringthis breath work is really a key
to preparing the body for thisentry.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And then we talk a lot about, like the goal
orientated experience likeobviously a lot of people
receiving prostate massages aremale and, uh, that, like the
goal orientated approach tothings, is quite dominant once
in a while.
So we really speak a lot intoyou have to let go of a goal to
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experience this and having thatpart of your body letting go and
going into surrender.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, that's part of relaxing the whole nervous
system.
I mean, if someone's fixated ona goal, they're going be, um,
not particularly present to allof the sensations and what's
actually happening in their bodyin the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Um, and that's also what we see when we do the
workshops and I also work withclient if there's any hint of
like performance in it itdoesn't really work very well,
because then there's a goalagain.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So it's really inviting like a real complete
surrender to receiving, which isso unlike a lot of, I guess,
masculine kind of ways of movingin the world.
It's really teaching men toreally get in touch with their
inner feminine, if you will, andbe in a receptive mode.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah, yeah.
Because when and to make itspecific to when men have having
sex, you know they are incontraction.
So when men are there thrustingtheir lingam, and so they have
this contraction, even thoughthey're conscious of not having
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a goal, still you keep havingcontrol.
And what is very special aboutprostate massage is that you
surrender that control tosomebody else and then you can
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come.
Only then you can come toreceive pleasure from the
prostate.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Otherwise, you keep being too contracted from the
prostate, otherwise you keepbeing too contracted.
Yeah, it's really fascinatingbecause the male body is so used
to being the doer or thepenetrator or the thruster that
it's almost like unconscious,like the body's memory is almost
like so used to doing thatreally being entered for, like
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receiving, being receptive is,you know, can be a whole new
experience for the body and forthe body's psyche.
You know, I mean I mentionedthis in the first interview.
I just I became so much moresensitive, I think a better
lover, but sensitive andempathic to how vulnerable it is
(12:38):
to receive after starting, youknow, after my first prostate
massage.
So I'd love to, I'd love totake our, our audience, our
listeners, like kind of througha process, process of prostate
massage, of prostate massage, soyou know, the breath work
(13:03):
that's tailored to relax thebody, to down, regulate the
nervous system, sounds really,really beautiful.
And then, when you first makecontact with the external
sphincter or the mouth of theanus, what is?
How do you guide couples or howdo you facilitate that process?
Because that could be for a lotof bodies the first time
they're receiving a finger inthe area.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I think when we guide the massage we kind of
start even before the anus.
We guide people into differenttechniques of releasing tension
in the pelvic, into differenttechniques of releasing tension
in the pelvic, because we kindof believe that it's not only
like working with the prostateis not only working directly on
the prostate, it's very muchworking on all the structures
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that are holding the prostate.
That has a very deep impact onthe prostate.
So we just like really startwith going slowly towards the
area and we guide them into thisbreath and we guide them into
slowness and we guide them intomaybe in this experience, you
will only work on the anus, youmight not even get to the
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prostate.
Like, constantly trying to takethe goal out of the experience
and be present with what is andthat's also we kind of made a
quote of ourselves in the onlineprosthetic portal program is
that the prosthetic portal isnot going to give you what you
want.
It's going to give you what youneed.
So meeting it with thatanticipation instead of wanting
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to go somewhere specific or havea specific experience.
And then you know people caneither wear gloves or do it with
without fingers of course,wearing a lot of oil.
There's no lubricant in thearea.
That also gives people sense ofsafety.
With the like, if you have alot of oil in your finger and no
poo is going to stick to thefinger, like those kind of
(14:52):
informations, and then it'sreally slowing down, we guide
them into some very basic,simple jammering techniques,
because there can be a lot oftension, a lot of pain,
discomfort, armor on the anusitself, and so it's really a big
part of a prostate massage isactually the anus.
So we're not only offeringprostate massage, it's actually
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also like an anal massage inthat sense, because it's so
linked.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right, right.
So what I'm hearing is theprosthetic portal, and prostate
massage is really inviting anexploration of the whole pelvis
and the anal canal Right.
It's like the whole package andalso the root of the lingam.
Like the root of the lingam is,meeting, the prostate in that
(15:38):
area is also really an area thata lot of men can benefit from
having explored connecting to it, massage relief, tension in
that area, because it alsoaffects prostate, sexual
performance, so many things yeah, that's so um important to
convey to listeners that youknow engaging with the prostate
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is it can be a really multistepped experience where you're
really moving so slowly from theoutside in and releasing any
tension from the outside in,from the external sphincter, you
know, layer by layer.
So it's really kind of like youknow it's inviting a deep
(16:28):
intimacy with the pelvis itselfbut also kind of I don't know, I
want to say rebirthing thepelvis into a new pelvis before
getting to the prostate.
Yeah, I'm curious, like I'msure, with so many different
prostate owners and bodies, theprocess and the experience is so
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different for everyone.
You know everyone has differentlevels of tension and trauma
and issues that are held in thearea.
I'm wondering, in the workshopsthat you guys facilitate and I
attended one in Amsterdam withyou guys and it was so
beautifully held and facilitatedwhat are some of the common
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experiences that first-timeprostate massage receivers have
that surprised them about thatpart of their body, about their
anal sphincters or the analcanal?
What are some commondiscoveries that your clients or
students make as they'reexploring their anal canal and
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the issues held there?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
yeah.
So what the when it's the firsttime that they receive a anal
massage or a prostate massage,then then they mostly say, oh,
it's, it's actually quite normaland it's, it's, it's very
natural.
So it is again, all thethoughts that they created
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around it are taken away andthat is, oh, it's very natural
to have and it's natural to havepleasure from that.
So that is very common, thatthey say that have pleasure from
that, and so that is verycommon, that they, that they say
that.
And then, and then the secondthing is that, um, yeah, if they
, if they read, uh, if they havesome experience then with our
(18:28):
approach, then they can.
Um, that they say for, oh, it'sso much relaxing, I'm very used
of having it more, that it'sactively engaged and that now
this is more in a relaxed stateand now I'm feeling more instead
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of holding on.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You can also have people that say I don't feel a
thing.
That's also normal, and thensome frustration can come up
from that.
And then there are also guyssaying wow.
I connected to the wholelineage of men in my family and
all of a sudden I see how thingscan heal like really profound
Wow or orgasmic experiencing.
(19:19):
There was one guy in a festival.
We met him like four or fivehours after the workshop and he
was like I'm still shaking.
I'm still shaking like this soit can go in so many directions,
so many directions, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, so I'm hearing Asim share that a lot of people
respond in a way where theyrealize how normal and how
relaxing the experience can be.
Because I think, I think youknow like a lot of men have the
experience of going to thedoctor and getting their
prostates, you know, like a justkind of a looped finger getting
stuck in there.
(19:53):
But the way that you guide, uh,your students and clients with
the breath work and going layerby layer and slowing down and
being really receptive andfeeling everything, it sounds
like there can be a lot morerelaxation and normalizing of
the experience and the range ofresponses can go from numbness
(20:13):
to extreme pleasure and kind ofecstatic state.
So it can really be anythingbut how amazing that you know
the body can be explored in sucha safe and gentle way to
discover what is actually thereto be felt and to be released.
I'm curious I know when youcreated the prosthetic portal
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online course, there was a lotof thought that went into how to
support people when they'reteaching people, when you know
the internal anal canal can holddifferent, you know various
(21:03):
traumas, whether it's sexualviolation or fears of security,
like how do you teach people tohold space for that kind of
material to show up.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, so that's.
We had some hesitations makingthe online program because we
could not be present if all of asudden people go into a full
trauma release in a session likethat and then is the giver of
the prostate massage capable ofholding that space?
But it is something that we'readdressing in the online course
and we're talking about thedifferent kind of traumas that
can make the origin of them, howthey can show up and how you
(21:38):
can handle them.
But we also kind of put in somesome like safety pieces into to
the online program where wekind of say, if you have this
and this and this, maybe it'snot good to do it.
Like, if this comes up, whatcan you do then?
If that doesn't work, then dothat comes up, what can you do
(21:59):
then.
If that doesn't work, then dothat.
And in the end of that that wealso kind of keep like an email
line open.
If people really feel lost andand need support, then we will
just so love them to reach outfor us and then we can guide
them and maybe people need to goeventually to some kind of
practitioner that can actuallywork with them very specifically
, unless they need that kind ofsupport, maybe if something
really comes up that they cannotregulate or hold space for
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themselves, Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So you've really like thought it through in sharing
the possible responses traumaticresponses that can happen, and
what to do in that case, and itsounds like there's like an
email correspondence line that'sopen so you guys are can make
yourselves available, um, incase that happens as well.
Um, I'm I'm really curiousabout the surprising pleasure
(22:51):
that students or clientsdiscover that they didn't know
was possible, like what youmentioned at the festival, like
the guy being in an ecstaticstate for hours after.
I'm guessing a lot of studentsand clients are very I mean,
there's a deep curiosity aboutwhat pleasure exists around
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their prostate.
I guess I'm wondering, like,for students and clients who are
very curious about theirpleasure potential, do you guide
them in a different way?
Are there tips that you shareabout how to engage with the
prostate or the anal canal thatsupports more of a pleasure
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exploration for them?
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah, I think the most important thing is that you
, you have to be able to movethe energy inside into the body,
and so and we work a lot withthat, with a different breath
work tend to got me, sarah, toto so when so, when we generate
energy, we pull the energy intothe body.
(23:59):
And well, when you have apenile orgasm, you know it's
very intense and it's like goingup the mountain and then when
you drop off the peak, peak,then you're having the orgasm
and and and you're shooting outyour energy, yes, and but
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because the prostate is locatedinside the body.
So then the, the energy isreleased in the body, and when
you then are able to move thatenergy up instead of out, and
then you can expand the energyin your body and but also expand
the pleasure inside your body,and then you have a very
different experience of ofhaving an orgasm or having
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pleasure.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
um, in, yeah, because it's more inside and it's not
uncommon that some menexperience when you touch their
prostate they feel like atinkling or like in the tip of
the penis, so that they are kindof connected through different
nerve endings and wiring.
So you can also use like, likecreating pleasure, where it's
quite well known and why youquite feel safe, feeling
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pleasure, usually touching thetip of the lingam, making some
kind of massage on the lingamwhile massaging the prostate.
So kind of you can connect thetwo dots.
Neuroplasticity, like the brain, is discovering these new
pathways of pleasure from beingtouched in an area you haven't
been touched before.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So that's also a way to guide this Because when the
prostate has never been touched,touched then the body doesn't
know what to do with the signalsand it's it's uh.
So then it's very good to tohave some pleasure, touch on the
lingam or somewhere else.
That you have that, that thebody is, is taught, that it's
(25:54):
pleasure, that it can bepleasure.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And most men.
They need that to awaken thepleasure potential.
Some men can have itspontaneously.
Never had experience.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
that happens too, but quite often they need a bit of
support in that way to go inthis new path.
So, yeah, what I'm hearing is,because the prostate for most
people have never been touchedmanually or never been touched
at all, there's an incredibleopportunity to wire pleasure
(26:27):
from the lingam with theprostate as it's being touched
for the first time.
Yes, that's fantastic becausewe are so Pavlovian, you know,
and how we get wired, that thatis that sounds like fun.
It's fun and it's just such acool way to engage with this
(26:52):
sacred portal in the body For me.
I feel like I mean, asim, whatyou shared about the internal
energy because of where theprostate is positioned inside of
the body, that that makes somuch sense.
Um, I, you know, I feel like,for I feel like my exploration
(27:15):
of separating ejaculation fromorgasm really came from from
prostate massage, self-prostatemassage, and, um, I didn't have
to necessarily consciously likedo a microcosmic orbit just
because the prostate is sointernal, the energy was, was
being released inside without mereally needing to do anything.
(27:35):
That's awesome, yeah, yeah.
So I'm curious because I knowyou guys.
I'm curious because I know youguys.
Well, let's talk aboutintegration, because you know
it's such a vulnerable, you know, deep, deep part of the human
psyche and the prostate owner'sbody.
How do you guide your studentsor practitioners to facilitate,
(28:02):
like?
What are the tips you share inregards to integrating from a
prostate massage?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
like what are the tips you share in regards to
integrating from a prostatemassage?
Yeah, so we have this kind ofalso like piece or chapter that
is called what to expect after aprostate massage.
So we kind of try to tellpeople what they can expect the
following days after receive theprostate massage or even giving
it.
So it's specific for the onegiving, like how to cleanse
yourself.
You really have to have yourfinger inside this, like
(28:31):
sometimes this can be like thisis like a hot spot of so much
emotion, not like taking thatinto your system.
So that's one part of it andthen the other part is for the
men that can have so many, likethe peeing sensations.
The peeing flow can change, thepoo can change, the emotional
(28:52):
letting go of bullshit canchange and it can come days
after.
It can really like have thisafterglow effect for days.
So we try to be very specific.
What can happen and then noticeit, notice it and then see okay
, what does that remind me of?
What can I learn from thisexperience?
Have somebody to share aboutafterwards, either the one
(29:14):
giving or somebody else like to,really, because it comes in
layers and it can come in withdelayed messages no it's um I
always say from you know, yourshit is stirred.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
All your shit is stirred, so then anything can
happen that can come up.
You know, it's all in thedarkness, but now it's stirred
and so it can come to thesurface.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, something I really appreciated about our
(30:04):
first interview, asim.
I remember you know you reallywere commenting on how it is the
darkest kind of you know.
It's like the most innermostdark place of the body where
there is so much shadow and sowe are stirring, you know, kind
of what's in the shadow to comeinto consciousness and to be
revealed and released, lettingpeople know, in the prosthetic
(30:25):
portal, all of the possiblethings that can come up and how
to take care of themselvesduring, during the integration
which is so so key.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And then we also offer the Zoom calls, like if
you're part of the online thing,that that you can kind of come
with Q and A or come with youknow, get advice or share your
experience.
So so also kind of wanting tooffer, um, the support that way.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So people have uh like opportunity to create an
email thread or hop onto a zoomcall to support you know any,
any questions or integrationprocess, or I'm curious about
whether there are possibilitiesthere are with their prostate
experience.
You know something youmentioned, steena, about the
(31:13):
giver not taking on the energyof the prostate owner.
That's a really, reallyimportant preparation thing for
the giver.
I'm wondering you know we'vebeen talking about the prostate
owner and the receiversexperience what have you noticed
(31:33):
in first time givers and theirexperience of, you know,
entering the body of theirbeloved or, uh, you know, in
such a deep and sacred way?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
you know in such a deep and sacred way.
Yeah, so I think one thing thatis really often like a topic is
already like the polarity if,especially if it is their
private, romantically partner orlover that if the roles always
have been reversed, the guybeing the penetrating or the one
being more the doer that nowthey, they change those roles
(32:10):
and that's not all women that iscomfortable with that, and so
that could look like when thewoman start to give the prostate
massage that the man is stillvery much directing no, no touch
me here, no, not there.
Go a little bit deeper and theyjust follow along, and then like
there's no surrender happeningand then that dynamic is just
showing up.
So that could be one thing thatwe see.
(32:31):
And then it can be aboutwearing gloves, not gloves.
Mostly, if it's your privatepartner a lot, prefer not to
wear gloves because it's sodifficult the first time to feel
stuff in there and people getconfused when they're wearing a
glove.
So that's another thing.
Then we can also see that thewoman is so eager to give her
man a prostate orgasm that thenit becomes goal-orientated
(32:55):
through the giver.
Yes.
And then we can see the responsecan be in the man no, I'm not
going to give you my prostateorgasm for your sake.
That kind of thing can happen.
So that is really interesting.
And then the the like verypractical experience, like, oh
my god, my finger is burninginside, like it's so hot or it's
(33:16):
so stinging, or it's so tightand and everything is just
conducted through that that areayou're touching and it becomes
really, really intense and it'slike people cramping up their
shoulders and stop breathing andlike it becomes so tense yeah
wow, the tenseness of the anusjust travels up that arm and
(33:39):
yeah yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It's amazing how um the energy can transfer when one
is not conscious and aware ofall of all of what can happen.
But, you know, it's sointeresting the way you describe
the female wanting to, you know, elicit an orgasm from the male
(34:01):
prostate.
It's.
It's such a role reversal,isn't it?
It's like, yeah, it's so commonfor that, for that to be the
man wanting to give a woman anorgasm and I don't know, in some
ways it's probably a goodteacher for the man to realize
what that feels like.
So I'm very curious about Iknow it was a process to create
(34:29):
the online course through theprosthetic portal, and so much
goes into creating a course,like deciding what information
to keep in and what informationto pull out.
What were some of the mainobjectives in how you decided to
include the information thatyou did in the online course,
(34:54):
because I know it was a lot.
It sounds like it was a lot ofconsideration of how to make it
as most trauma-informed aspossible as most trauma-informed
as possible.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah, it was mostly about how we can be guided to
give a safe prostate orgasm.
Yes, especially because if yougo to the online course, that is
an introductionary course andso it's very much about what to
(35:29):
do and about the safety to andyeah, less about very specific
details, because then it becomesit would get lost in it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
yes, the feedback we get from our workshops is so
precise.
It's so detailed the feedbackwe got from people who've done
the online course.
It's like all of a sudden.
I could do a breast massage.
Usually you can just stick afinger up the ass and look
around for it.
Here we really try to put itinto small little blocks, step
(36:07):
by step, All the things you needto explore, experience, get
confident in before going forthe full massage of your
prostate.
So really dissecting it intosmall bits.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And the first very large part of the course is just
that we share about it and thenin in pieces and so before we
go into it, and even even themassage itself, we, we, uh, we
have like a run through of allthe steps, um, before the
(36:43):
actually massage is done.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So you've really broken down the process into
digestible, easily to understandsteps before really inviting
the experience so people canunderstand intellectually, they
can prepare their bodies, theiremotions, they can understand
what can happen.
Yeah, it sounds amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
And okay.
So how do people find thecourse?
Where do they go?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
they go to the prosthetic portalcom okay, the
prosthetic portalcom and I know,um, there's the same sacred
fire, uh website and website anduh, I'm a Soma.
Are there links to the person?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
We also made like, whenever we make stuff together,
we call us sacred Soma.
Um, so there's a website therewhere you can, and that's linked
out.
Yeah.
So there are four websites youcan go to.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Wow.
Okay, but the main one is theprosthetic portalcom.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
For the online and everything related to the
prostate.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yes, awesome, awesome .
Um, guys, I'm so excited thatyou've created this service.
I mean it's, it's amazing.
I mean it really blows my mind,like it blew my mind the first
time I experienced my ownprostate, and I just think you
(38:10):
know, if you have a body, youhave to really understand how to
optimize your health, releasetoxins, heal traumas, increase
pleasure.
I mean it just advanceseverything in regards to your
understanding of lovemaking andand your body, and here you've
created this really, reallydigestible.
(38:31):
I mean you've curated all ofthe, the wisdom that that that
you've been researching andfacilitating for years into this
online portal.
I just think it's a tremendousservice.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And I just think like we really like to use the tree
as a symbol.
Like whatever happens in theroot will show up in the rest of
the tree.
So whatever work you do on thatarea, it's so beneficial for it
just, you know, creates rebelsin the world to the rest of the
being.
Yeah, I also just want to usethis opportunity to like really
(39:08):
thank for you.
Like you, you've been a bigsupport and a guidance for us in
this, so I just want to reallyshare that we'll be so grateful
for for for your support andyour encouragement through this,
this process.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
You've been a big part of it oh well, I've really
enjoyed it and I've it's beenexciting to watch it evolve.
I cannot wait for people todiscover it and find it.
So it's the prostheticportalcomand you can get all the
information and details there,and you guys have a special
going on until the end ofNovember.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, so it's like an opening premiere kind of big
discount.
Basically you save off the Watttaxes 25% so in November.
So it's like an openingpremiere kind of big discount
and basically save up the whattaxes 25% so in November.
And then we have plans toalready two Zoom calls for
everybody signing up in thatmonth, like one in December, one
in January.
Awesome.
And we also record the Zoomcalls if people can't make them,
of course.
Yeah, so we just really want tointeract with people.
(40:04):
That jumps on this, thisjourney, because we learned so
much from the questions as well,and yeah, Beautiful, Beautiful
Guys.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Thank you so much for returning and sharing your
wisdom and offering this intothe world.
I'm so excited for everyone tohop on and check it out.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Thank you so much.
Thank you so?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
much, jorge, thank you, thank you.
How is this episode landing foryou and your body right now?
If you're a prostate owner, arethere inquiries you have about
(40:48):
what material may be held in andaround your prostate waiting to
be released and metabolized, orwhat potential in the realms of
pleasure, health and embodimentawait you?
If you're a lover of a prostateowner?
(41:14):
Is touching into this mostsacred and vulnerable part of
their body and psyche anexperience you might want to
hold space for?
You might want to hold spacefor.
Links to theprostheticportalcomand Steena and Asim's websites
are in the show notes.
Until next time, take good care.
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