April 15, 2025 • 41 mins
In this Holy Week episode, directors Josh Turley and Mike Schoettle journey through Jesus’s final days—from Palm Sunday’s peaceful procession to the glory of Resurrection Sunday. Along the way, they unpack profound moments like the cleansing of the temple, servant leadership on Maundy Thursday, and the deep sorrow of the crucifixion. Their reflection on “the long Saturday”—the quiet in-between of death and resurrection—offers comfort to those enduring seasons of waiting, grief, or uncertainty. It’s a powerful reminder that even in the silence, hope is still alive: Sunday is coming.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you, lord, for this
day and Lord, this time torecord this podcast.
Lord, we thank you especiallyfor this time.
Lord, for what it means for usas believers, and Lord just,
we're thankful for your timehere on earth, your sacrifice
and the inevitable resurrection,for which we look forward to.
(00:20):
Lord, pray a blessing over thisconversation and our time
together.
Lord, in your holy name, wepray, amen.
Well, hello everyone, andwelcome to another episode of
Our Community, our Mission.
I'm Josh Turley, the Directorof Strategic Development.
I am joined by our very ownMike Schottel today.
(00:43):
How are you, sir?
What's up?
How you doing?
I'm doing good.
I'm doing good.
Today is episode 263.
We've been doing this for alittle bit, very little bit.
Yeah, it's always a good time,so this is a special, special
time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It is.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Today is the Tuesday.
We're recording this on aTuesday of Holy Week, yep, so we
just celebrated Palm Sunday andare kind of walking through
this Holy Week, obviously endingwith Good Friday being the
death of Jesus and thencelebrating Sunday as
resurrection.
So we're going to hop rightinto it.
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I think this is a special dayin and of itself.
As listeners know, we normallyhave a special day in and of
itself.
As, as, uh, listeners know, wenormally have a bunch of fun
days that we go over.
But I don't know today's special, like we don't.
We don't need fun days, becausethis whole week is kind of what
our belief in and, uh, you knowhow we practice here at, here
at TRM, and our faith in Jesusand what it kind of hinges on,
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why we do what we do, trm andour faith in Jesus and what it
kind of hinges on, why we dowhat we do, exactly why we do
what we do.
So, mike, why don't you kind of?
Well, I forgot to say yourtitle.
I'm so sorry, I always forgetyour title.
Will you share your title witheveryone?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
My title is.
It's because, like I'm the onlyone that I can say it concisely
.
It's true, it's a long one.
I mean Discipleship.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Wow, I can't even say it Stumped yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I stumped myself Director of Spiritual Wellness
and Discipleship.
There you go.
Yes man, I got it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, you nailed it.
You nailed it.
So, yeah, why don't you kind ofunpack Holy Week for us, like
what does it mean for us?
How does it start?
Unpack it from the verybeginning.
What is Palm Sunday?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So Palm Sunday, and really, I think, where we're
going to be hanging out a lottoday, if we're going to be
referencing anythingscripturally, we're going to be
looking at Mark, chapter 11.
That's where your Bible's opento, that's where my Bible's open
to.
But at the beginning of Mark,chapter 11, you have the
triumphal entry.
So, excuse me, there isscripture back that backs up
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from I believe it's Zechariahtalking about how there's going
to be the king coming into thecity of Jerusalem.
Daughter Zion, look at yourking coming in on a donkey would
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enter a city.
Uh, if he was on a horse, whichthis is what's kind of wild too
, because, uh, they had horsesfor different circumstances.
Uh, isn't that a saying?
I don't know, I don't knowsounds like a horse of a
different color.
Uh, yes, that's wizard of oz.
Um, I think I'm thinking likecurly from the three stooges.
I'm a victim of circumstance,but they had, they had, like
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ceremonial horses.
They had horses for war, theyhad horses for, you know, just,
you know, trotting along on thepath.
Uh, you know, you just havejust a bunch of different kinds
of cars.
I'm in, I'm in my war car, I'min my, uh, nice little cruise
car.
Uh, yeah.
So when the king would enter acity, that was just a sign of
I'm going to war, I'm about tofight.
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So, first and foremost, if theJews were looking for the
Messiah, they thought theMessiah was going to come and
wipe clean the Roman Empire andset set his kingdom, because
that's what scripture was sayingyou know, he's going to set
forth this kingdom and replaceit.
So they thought he was going tocome in as a warrior.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But he comes in on his war horse.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yes, but he comes in not on a donkey but on the
donkey's colt, a foal, which isan unbroken baby donkey.
So what does that mean?
I've never tried it, but justtrying to see people get on the
back of either a donkey or ahorse, that is not broken.
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The only thing that gets brokenis your neck.
Be very careful, you're gettingtossed from it.
Be very careful, cares.
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Scripture says that it was notbroken and they had the donkey,
the mother walking alongside ofit.
So you know, there there wassome sign of it being kind of
calmed a little bit, that itsmother was, was present.
But you know he rides it in,there's blankets covering it and
he's riding a donkey.
Now, what kind of king ridesinto a town, into a city on a
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donkey?
A king that's bringing peace?
So this is all happening onSunday they're going into
Jerusalem, they have all thesepalms, so to back up just a
second.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So you're saying that just even what he wrote in on
was a symbol, that was anincredible symbol.
Instead of his war horse,instead of conquering, he wrote
in on peace.
You're saying I come in, peaceand gentleness.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
He's coming to restore, that there's hope for
people and it's not like a hopethat, oh hey, we're going to be
completely liberated and youknow, by the end of this week
we're going to be free andthere's not going to be any
Roman left standing.
No, that wasn't it Completelydifferent agenda.
So he comes in and people aresinging Hosanna, praises to God,
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they have palm branches andthey're starting to lay those on
the ground too and making themaking the road level.
Cause when Kings would comeinto cities, at that time too,
people would remove their cloaks.
They would remove the, theywould.
They would remove their cloaks,they would take the palms and
put them on the road, becauseit's not like the roads here in
Topeka, I was actually talkingto somebody last week that
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wasn't from here and they saidis it always like there's this
much construction?
And I said, yeah, you can blameme being from Michigan, because
it's either winter constructionyeah, there wasn't necessarily
construction back then, but youthink there's potholes here.
You know, they would put thecloaks, they would put the palm
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branches on the ground to softenthe hooves of the horse or the
donkey or whatever was coming inthe wheels of the wagons that
are going in.
So it was a way of showingsubmission.
So they're celebrating Christcoming in, singing praises to
him.
Hosanna in the highest.
That's Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Boy, what a difference a week makes.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, what a difference a day makes, because
fast forwarding just not even 24hours.
You got Monday.
What happens Monday?
Monday, jesus goes into thetemple.
Well, first, and we don't haveto get into it.
But we did discuss just beforewe started the podcast.
Jesus curses a fig tree, saysyou're not going to bear any
more fruit.
So, yeah, and I can just readthat real quick the next day.
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So the day after the triumphalentry, they went out from
Bethany and he was hungry.
Seeing it in the distance, afig tree with leaves, he went to
find it out there to see ifthere was anything on it.
When he came to it, he foundnothing but leaves, for it was
not the season for figs.
He said to it may no one evereat fruit from you again.
And his disciples heard it.
(08:15):
So, fast forwarding a couplemore verses the tree is withered
, which we were discussing.
That that is actually the lastrecorded miracle that Christ
does, and that is the onlymiracle he does that is
destructive.
Everything else is restorative.
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This one, he just told a figtree that was out of season.
Guess what?
You're no good, nobody's goingto eat from you again.
So that was Monday morning, butthen you fast forward just a
little bit, or between now andthen, between his cursing and
then them coming back to findthe cursed fig tree.
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They go into the temple and it'snot just a hey, how you doing,
how's everybody doing, kind ofthing.
You know people are probablylooking around being like, hey,
how you doing, how's everybodydoing Kind of thing.
You know people are probablylooking around and being like,
hey, that's the guy that we justcelebrated yesterday.
And what does Jesus do?
He makes a, he makes a whip andhe starts flipping tables and
he's like you've turned thisplace into a den of thieves.
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This is my father's house andyou call this a house of prayer
for all nations and he caststhem out and it's like that.
What?
So?
What were they doing there?
So they were selling.
They had money changers, theyhad tables for people to go in
and purchase doves.
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They're preparing the templefor Passover.
So this entire week, holy Week,quote unquote they are
celebrating, going through theprocess of celebrating Passover,
the meaning of when the Lordtook the Israelites out of Egypt
and passed over them and youknow all, the firstborn of those
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who did not have the blood ofthe lamb on their doorposts.
If you didn't have it.
Guess what?
Firstborn in the family dead.
So that's what the Passover wasall about.
So during Passover, theysacrifice the perfect lamb.
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So you kind of do that stark,that drastic difference that
this is a big deal.
I mean it's it's uh be aboutthe equivalent of you know it's
Christmas, for for our cultureIt'd be like somebody going in
the Monday before Christmas andjust flipping all the the
present wrapping tables all overand they're like, guess what?
Christmas is canceled, likewhat you did what?
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Why would you do that?
So Jesus goes in and he'ssaying you've turned this place
into a den of thieves, which isa great foreshadowing of hey,
you're about to sacrifice aPassover lamb.
You don't need to do thatanymore.
I am the Passover lamb, but hewas.
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You know he's not saying that,but he was making way for that
to be like.
This is obsolete.
What I am about to do is goingto complete and finish
everything that has been undone.
So while he's doing all that,and the following verse in hang
on my Bible's at a really weirdangle verse 18.
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So when Jesus is doing this,the chief priests and the
scribes they're hearing this andthey're looking for a way to
kill him and they've beenconniving for years because he's
been in ministry for threeyears.
They've been trying to find outa way to kill him, to take him
out, and it's like, okay, this,now we got to do something about
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this because people are stillastonished by his teaching.
So evening came, they left thecity, then they see the fig tree
fig tree dead.
So maybe that might have someparallels to okay, this is what
it was in the past.
This is the Lord's provision inthe past.
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This is the Lord's provisionfor the future.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, but so then, what continues on?
Through that week?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
We went through Sunday, we went through Monday,
we went through monday, sotuesday um, just looks like a
lot of teaching, a lot of hisfinal teachings.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Wednesday uh, you have judas which, before we go
there, before we go there, Iwanted to highlight one of the
one of the verses real quick,okay, and it's I think it's
critical for us, especially hereat trm, because it's what we
talk about a lot.
But during these last teachingsof Jesus, these last parables,
there is one point in Mark 12,starting in verse 28,.
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It says one of the scribesapproached and when he heard
them debating and saw that Jesusanswered them, well, he asked
him which command is the mostimportant of all?
And Jesus answered the mostimportant is listen, israel, the
Lord, our God.
The Lord is one.
Love the Lord, your God, withall your heart, with all your
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soul and with all your mind andwith all your strength.
And the second is love yourneighbor as yourself.
There is no other commandgreater than these Full stop.
I can't highlight that enough,especially reflecting here that
we get this verse in the finalweek of Jesus ministry, as we're
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reflecting on it before we getthere.
And I just had to stop therebecause it's like this is what
TRM is Love God, love others,others being everyone, every
person is made in the image ofGod, and you know we treasure
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that here.
So, anyway, I had to stop therereal quick because I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, it's kind of cool that you brought that up
too, because, like one of thethings that I'm working on right
now and I'm almost done- I'malmost done with my schooling.
I'll have a come May 18th I willbe done with my master's degree
, but right now one of theclasses that that I'm working
through is cross-culturalministry and management, and one
of the things this week thatthat's part of the discussion is
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the issue that sometimes wehave as the Western as the
Western Church when it comes tocommunities, and this really hit
it hard for me because I'm likeshoot, how many of us live in
neighborhoods?
All of us, statistically themost unneighborly people,
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meaning that you're not going tolook out for your next door
neighbor on your street.
Statistically and this book waswritten in 97, things I don't
think have changed because I'mguilty of it Statistically the
most unneighborly people guesswho?
They are Christians, the peoplewho are actively going to
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church and doing stuff in theirchurch, are not reaching out to
the person that is living rightnext door to them, across the
street from them, two housesdown from them.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
What's the hold up?
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
We are supposed to love the Lord, our God, with all
our heart.
We're doing that.
Are we doing that for ourneighbors?
Yeah, so take that for whateveryou want, take it for what it's
worth.
But that was convicting for mewhen we were going through that,
through that lecture.
Uh, actually this morning, umwere going through that lecture
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actually this morning.
Boy, that put things intoperspective for me.
That's really interesting.
Yeah, doesn't matter whatneighborhood you are in, be out
there, be present.
Yeah, invest in your people.
Yeah, you're there for a reason, yeah, so, yeah, okay, all
right, there's the.
There's a nice little.
Yeah, there's a commercialbreak, full stop.
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So that's, that's tuesday.
Uh, tuesday, wednesday, ish,then wednesday.
We've all heard of judas, um,and there's also the prediction
that the, the, the temple, isgoing to be destroyed, then
rebuilt.
Who's going to rebuild thetemple in three days?
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Boy, howdy, that takes forever.
But Judas sells out, totalsellout, betrays Jesus for 30
pieces of silver.
That's how much you would sell.
A slave Sells out the guy thathe's been with for three years
for 30 pieces of silver.
What a jerk.
But that's what it was meant,that's what had to be done To be
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handed over.
So, while this is all going on.
Judas comes back, they have theLord's Supper.
So we're now on Thursday,preparation for the Passover.
Um, this was kind of a cultureshock for me.
Um, I don't know if it's justbecause of the church that I
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grew up in.
Um, church I grew up in thedenomination is just a branch
off of basically Wesleyan.
Um is just a branch off ofbasically wesleyan.
Um.
When I came out here, uh, tokansas, I said these words and
I've even said it here whileworking here at the mission, and
some people look at me like Ihave like a feather growing out
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of the top of my head.
Um, it's like what, what, how isthat possible?
Um, what, how is that possible?
What Maundy Thursday, mm-hmm.
And even when I've discussedlike okay, like this week we are
celebrating Maundy Thursdaywith some of our guests, we're
going to do an Easter egg huntfor the kiddos, mm-hmm.
And I've said, like MaundyThursday, we're going to do it.
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And when I said that last year,I just kind of got some looks
like huh, yeah, that wassomething that we would always
do in my upbringing.
Uh, at at my church in in PortHuron, michigan, um Mondi.
Um is Latin for uh, I got topull it up on my phone.
(18:26):
I'm sorry, I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
No, that's okay.
As you as you looked that hadsimilar, like that was something
that wasn't really culturallyfor me.
So the first time I heard it aswell, I was like did you say
Monday Thursday, monday Thursday?
You know, that's two separatedays, right?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Anyway, sorry, we got to relive Monday no.
So yeah, it was interestinghearing that because I hadn't
actually heard that term severalyears ago.
So it's maundy M-A-U-N-D-Y.
So that comes from the Latinword of mandatum, which means
like you hear, mandate,commandment, so the commandment.
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What's all going on?
On Thursday, you got the LastSupper, you got Passover.
Jesus is giving the commandmentwhat's all?
Going on.
On Thursday you got the lastsupper, you got Passover.
Jesus is giving the command ofwhat.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Communion.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Communion.
This is my body, which wasbroken.
For you, do this in remembranceof me.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Kind of the last command Jesus gave his disciples
before.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
But also another final commandment that he tells
his disciples is to love, love,jesus.
I can't tell if that's in Mark,I'm trying to skim it right now
, sorry folks.
He washes their feet.
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Yes, so you can see.
See that that he's washing thedisciples feet.
Um, you know, he's like do thisfor your people too.
Um, nothing is below you.
To wash somebody's feet wasincredibly degrading to do.
I mean, that was the lowest oflow of anybody to do anything.
So, Jesus, their teacher,washing their feet.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
it's wild, it was basically the you know servant
leadership epitomized.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yes, so that was Thursday.
Um, then they leave dinner,they go into the garden.
Judas has gone and done.
You know, jesus is like nowleave and do what you're what
you're about to do.
Judas is gone, going to get theguards, and everybody.
Jesus is in the garden, praying, weeping, sweating blood, and
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he's got his other discipleswith him and he says please stay
awake and pray with me.
And what do they do?
They fell asleep.
They fall asleep.
How many of us fall asleep whenwe're in the middle of trauma,
trials?
Whatever it is, whether it isfiguratively falling asleep or
literally falling asleep, we'reall guilty of it.
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But does Jesus berate them?
No, can't you just stay awakewith me for an hour?
I am grieved to the point ofdeath and Jesus is praying to
his father, saying if there'sany other way, please let it be.
But it's your will, not mine.
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Yeah, so did Jesus want to die?
No, no, he knew it was about tohappen.
Judas comes, yeah, so did Jesuswant to die?
No, no, he knew what was aboutto happen.
Judas comes, betrays Jesus witha kiss and then this will.
This is what's really wild, andwe discussed this at church a
couple of weeks ago, but therewas a question of how many
trials?
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How many trials betweenThursday night into Friday
morning, before the third orsixth hour when Jesus dies?
How many trials did Jesus gothrough to see if he was guilty
and they put him to death?
How many trials?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Wasn't it like I don't know two.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
No, it was six.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Six trials, and all within the span of a few hours,
a few hours.
How is that even?
How is that just?
But the lord had a plan.
He was scourged, he was beaten,and just kind of looking at how
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they depict it.
In Jewish culture or it mighthave been Roman culture when
people were scourged it wasbelieved that 40 lashings was
death.
So they would give one lesslashing, one less lashing of
death, so 39.
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What Jesus was beaten with wasknown as the cat of nine tails,
which was a whip with nineleather strips with either
pottery, clay or little piecesof metal or glass attached to it
.
39 times.
Getting hit by that, you areturned into raw hamburger.
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Or glass attached to it.
39 times getting hit by that,you are turned into raw
hamburger.
And the closest I think thatthey could get, just to depict
it.
And it's the power of Hollywood.
But the Passion of the ChristShoot.
I was in seventh grade whenthat movie came out.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And now we're here.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But I actually watched that scene this morning
and struggled to get through it,because I counted, tried to
count, how many times he wasfirst beaten with the rods,
which was 39.
Wasn't good enough.
So then they took out thefledgling or whatever they
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called it, and then they beathim again 39 times.
And then the head Centurion orguard says flip them over.
And they beat him again until,like, the head Centurion comes
in and says what are you doing?
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You were just supposed to beathim, not kill him.
But the way that they showed itin Hollywood, I don't even think
that that did justice of howbad he looked.
Um, the scripture says that hisbeard is ripped out, that
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people would say that, oh yeah,well, you know it was probably a
totally different personbecause, you know, the disciples
didn't recognize him when hecame back.
When your brain is in traumaresponse, you don't recognize
things that are in front of you.
So when you have, first andforemost, your beard completely
ripped out you and I both havebeards.
We know what it feels like whena child pulls on our beard.
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It doesn't feel great, no, andthat's a child, and that's a
child.
And if your beard is completelyripped out of its follicles.
There's going to be swelling.
So Jesus has been on trial sixtimes, has been scourged, beaten
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to a pulp, severe blood loss.
Then a crown of thorns is puton his head, and these weren't
just, like you know, little rosethorns.
These were thick, long, two anda half inch thorns that were
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beaten into his head.
That should have killed him.
Then they gave him a cross, puta purple robe on him and if you
think about that, if you putsomething dry and this wasn't
the most hygienic time dusty,yep, so he's trudging through
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dust, he's trudging through dirt, he's bleeding out.
He's got this purple robe onhim.
If you have sores that are openwounds and you have a robe or
clothing that's put on it,what's going to happen?
It's going to clot, it's goingto cling, it's going to stop the
bleeding, and then they rip itoff and he has to carry this
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rugged cross up a hill half deadand then they nail him to it.
And if there's one thing thatthe Romans were really, really,
really good at, it was killingtheir enemies.
The cross wasn't perfected yet,but what they did and very
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rarely they would actually nailsomebody to the cross, because
if you nailed them, that meantthat you had to take them down
or you leave them up there forthe birds to pick them.
But scripture says that hislegs weren't broken.
No bone was broken in his body.
But the way to die on the crosswasn't the blood loss.
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It wasn't the shame that youfelt, the embarrassment when
they hoisted you up on the cross, there was a hole in the ground
that it would jar you.
You'd die by suffocation.
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So all the things that Christ issaying is he is suffocating to
death.
God, forgive them, for theydon't know what they're doing.
Woman, behold your son.
Son, behold your mother.
Truly, I tell you today youwill be with me in paradise.
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The Son of God was a man whowas acquainted with grief,
beaten for our sins, fully God,and had always been in the
presence of the Father, knewwhat it was to be in the
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presence of the Father.
And what does he call out?
Elohi, elohi, lama sabachthani,my God, my God, why have you
forsaken me?
He knew what it was like to bealone.
Why?
Because he died for all thosewho have and are alone.
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He suffered, he gave his spiritand he died, and that is good
Friday.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
But that's not the end of the story.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, and why do we call it good Well?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I don't think they called it good then no, but we
call it good now we call it good, because we know what's coming.
We know what's coming, butthere was one day in between
there.
How do you think that Saturdaywent for everybody?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
The perspective that I always try to take in is what
was Peter thinking?
You know, thursday night Jesusis telling Peter you're going to
deny me three times.
And Peter's like, no, I'm not.
And Jesus goes no, you arebefore the third rooster crows.
You're going to deny me before,before the rooster crows.
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You're going to deny me threetimes.
He goes, no, no, I won't.
And then he does it.
Then he did it.
Jesus looks at him, doesn't sayanything.
What does he do?
What does scripture say?
He does, he runs and he weepsbitterly, a guttural feeling of
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absolute, I would sayself-resentment, like who am I
that?
The son of God, the son of man?
Man told me that I'm going todeny him and I argued with him
and now he's dead.
So what's going through Peter'shead?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I can't help but think of even the any of the
disciples who followed this manfor three years, who believed he
was the Messiah, and he's gone.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And he's gone.
There is silence, tension, fear, shock.
Where's the hope?
When's it gonna happen to us?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
yeah, they're gonna find us mm-hmm, but they go
through Saturday.
Finally after the long silenceof Saturday, we get to Sunday.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And it's really cool that who are the first people
that Jesus appears to women?
Not only is he restoring whatwas broken, but who was the
first one to eat in thetemptation in the garden?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Eve Eve.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Let's restore the women first, but also in that
culture culture.
If you are a woman and there'sno man that's around, you're not
a viable witness to anything.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So two women going to care for his body.
They were also doing whatneeded to be done.
Yes, right, they were takingcare of what needed to be done
for Jesus' body to honor hisburial.
They're doing what needed to bedone, and then he goes here I
am.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Go tell the disciples and tell Peter.
Calls Peter up by name, butJohn was the first one to get
there.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
John got there first.
John wrote it, you ran ahead.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, Peter could have done his account, but you
know we don't have a gospel ofPeter, we have the gospel of
John, and John puts it veryclearly that I got there first.
I got there first.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I got there first, but man first.
I got there first, but man,okay.
So we've walked through PalmSunday, we've walked through
Holy week, we've walked throughthe death, the long Saturday of
silence and weeping and mourning, and we get to Sunday, the, I
think, the epitome of what we,as believers, kind of hinge our
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faith on the resurrection ofJesus.
What an amazing time tocelebrate.
And I don't know why I'm kindof hung up on Saturday because I
think maybe there's listenerswho are stuck in a Saturday,
maybe you're stuck in adifficult Saturday and you've
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been in a long season of feelinglike there's no hope, feeling
like what do you hold on to?
And it sounds cheesy becauseyou've probably heard it before,
but Sunday is coming and thereis hope because Jesus gave us
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the ultimate hope in hisresurrection.
So hold on to that.
What else can we kind of takeaway from this?
Why does this matter to ustoday?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I think back to Matthew you, where Jesus is
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coming into Jericho andeverybody's so excited to see
him and nobody could be asexcited as one guy in particular
.
And this guy was one really badguy, a tax collector, and not
just any kind of tax collector,he was the top, he was the cream
of the crop, zacchaeus, he wasthe chief tax collector.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
The most unliked of all the unlikable.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
If there's anybody, yeah, if there's anybody could
be like you are the most unlikedperson in your community.
It'd be him.
It's him like that guy.
Look the other way if he'sgetting robbed like I didn't see
anything.
Zacchaeus runs up, climbs atree.
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Jesus calls out to him by nameand says Zacchaeus, come down
from there.
Zacchaeus is repentant, saysthat he's going to make
everything right, that he willgive back four times those who
he has extorted from.
And what does Jesus say?
He has been restored, For theSon of man has come to seek and
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save the lost Mm-hmm.
The lost Mm-hmm.
Time and time again throughScripture, through people
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throughout history that I haveseen personally, that you think
there is no way that God isdoing anything in their life.
Why does this all matter?
Because he has come to seek andsave the lost.
It's never too late.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
The thief on the cross.
It was never too late.
Today you will join me inparadise.
The other thing that I reflecton a lot is that in the temple
there was a veil or there was acurtain that separated
essentially the holy, holy placethat only the top religious
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leaders could go into, and thatveil.
When Jesus died, that veil wastorn from the top to the bottom,
saying God tore that.
That's done, that's gone.
That separation is gone.
It leveled the playing fieldand it wasn't.
We all can come to him.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I might be wrong in saying this, but I believe I
mean it wasn't just a curtain,it wasn't just something that
you know right, you couldaccidentally tear.
It's like I think it was likeeight inches thick of woven
thread and everything, soanybody being able to tear it?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
let alone cut it.
Good luck, yeah, you didn'tjust accidentally cut that, it
just happened.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
No, it didn't.
Yeah, so yeah, it being tornfrom the top down.
Yeah, it's done yeah, it'sfinished.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The finished work it's done so it just.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
It extends the hope of where is hope?
Here is hope.
No matter how dark it seems, nomatter how desperate you may
feel, how dead you may feel,resurrection is possible.
Those who call upon the name ofthe Lord will be saved.
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If we confess our sins, he isfaithful and just and will
cleanse us of allunrighteousness, forgive us of
our sins and cleanse us of allunrighteousness While we were
still his enemy.
He died for us.
Folks, whatever that looks like,if you're celebrating Good
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Friday, if you are celebratingthe resurrection, or if you are
caught in between on HolySaturday, the darkness, the
silence, please know that we atthe Topeka Rescue Mission, we
are here for you.
We are here with you.
We are here for you.
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We are here with you and wewant to invite you to engage
with us, whether it is throughvolunteering, whether it is
through prayer, whether it isthrough support, whatever that
looks like.
Reach out to us and know thatyou are not alone.
The big thing of what is soimportant for redemption is
connection.
Yeah, you can't do it alone.
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I'm an introvert.
I love to be alone.
Same but there's something aboutcommunity and doing things
together.
There's something aboutcommunity and doing things
together.
We weren't meant to be alone,so that's my final charge.
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You may think that everythingis in utter chaos, utter
disaster, just death,destruction, but there is hope
and the hope is Jesus.
We believe that he is the onewho has sent us to bring that
hope to, to profess his hope.
So if you want to get involved,reach out to us trmonlineorg,
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reach out to us on our Facebook.
We just thank you for this timethat you've been able to sit
with us, listen to Josh's heart,to my heart, and just be able
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to hear the good news that is inJesus Christ and that it is
Friday but Sunday's coming.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yep, amen, man.
I just want to echo that.
Thank you for listening, man.
I just want to encourage peopleto, as Mike said, be a good
neighbor.
Reach out to you.
Reach out to your neighbortoday and as you continue to go
through this week, as we get toEaster.
You know, just love the peoplearound you and love the Lord, as
he's commanded us.
As Mike said, if you want moreinformation, you can visit
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trmonlineorg.
We'd love to connect with youand just have a wonderful rest
of your week, thank you.
Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you, lord, for this
day and Lord, this time torecord this podcast.
Lord, we thank you especiallyfor this time.
Lord, for what it means for usas believers, and Lord just,
we're thankful for your timehere on earth, your sacrifice
and the inevitable resurrection,for which we look forward to.
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Lord, pray a blessing over thisconversation and our time
together.
Lord, in your holy name, wepray, amen.
Well, hello everyone, andwelcome to another episode of
Our Community, our Mission.
I'm Josh Turley, the Directorof Strategic Development.
I am joined by our very ownMike Schottel today.
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How are you, sir?
What's up?
How you doing?
I'm doing good.
I'm doing good.
Today is episode 263.
We've been doing this for alittle bit, very little bit.
Yeah, it's always a good time,so this is a special, special
time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It is.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Today is the Tuesday.
We're recording this on aTuesday of Holy Week, yep, so we
just celebrated Palm Sunday andare kind of walking through
this Holy Week, obviously endingwith Good Friday being the
death of Jesus and thencelebrating Sunday as
resurrection.
So we're going to hop rightinto it.
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I think this is a special dayin and of itself.
As listeners know, we normallyhave a special day in and of
itself.
As, as, uh, listeners know, wenormally have a bunch of fun
days that we go over.
But I don't know today's special, like we don't.
We don't need fun days, becausethis whole week is kind of what
our belief in and, uh, you knowhow we practice here at, here
at TRM, and our faith in Jesusand what it kind of hinges on,
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why we do what we do, trm andour faith in Jesus and what it
kind of hinges on, why we dowhat we do, exactly why we do
what we do.
So, mike, why don't you kind of?
Well, I forgot to say yourtitle.
I'm so sorry, I always forgetyour title.
Will you share your title witheveryone?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
My title is.
It's because, like I'm the onlyone that I can say it concisely
.
It's true, it's a long one.
I mean Discipleship.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Wow, I can't even say it Stumped yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I stumped myself Director of Spiritual Wellness
and Discipleship.
There you go.
Yes man, I got it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, you nailed it.
You nailed it.
So, yeah, why don't you kind ofunpack Holy Week for us, like
what does it mean for us?
How does it start?
Unpack it from the verybeginning.
What is Palm Sunday?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So Palm Sunday, and really, I think, where we're
going to be hanging out a lottoday, if we're going to be
referencing anythingscripturally, we're going to be
looking at Mark, chapter 11.
That's where your Bible's opento, that's where my Bible's open
to.
But at the beginning of Mark,chapter 11, you have the
triumphal entry.
So, excuse me, there isscripture back that backs up
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from I believe it's Zechariahtalking about how there's going
to be the king coming into thecity of Jerusalem.
Daughter Zion, look at yourking coming in on a donkey would
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enter a city.
Uh, if he was on a horse, whichthis is what's kind of wild too
, because, uh, they had horsesfor different circumstances.
Uh, isn't that a saying?
I don't know, I don't knowsounds like a horse of a
different color.
Uh, yes, that's wizard of oz.
Um, I think I'm thinking likecurly from the three stooges.
I'm a victim of circumstance,but they had, they had, like
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ceremonial horses.
They had horses for war, theyhad horses for, you know, just,
you know, trotting along on thepath.
Uh, you know, you just havejust a bunch of different kinds
of cars.
I'm in, I'm in my war car, I'min my, uh, nice little cruise
car.
Uh, yeah.
So when the king would enter acity, that was just a sign of
I'm going to war, I'm about tofight.
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So, first and foremost, if theJews were looking for the
Messiah, they thought theMessiah was going to come and
wipe clean the Roman Empire andset set his kingdom, because
that's what scripture was sayingyou know, he's going to set
forth this kingdom and replaceit.
So they thought he was going tocome in as a warrior.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But he comes in on his war horse.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yes, but he comes in not on a donkey but on the
donkey's colt, a foal, which isan unbroken baby donkey.
So what does that mean?
I've never tried it, but justtrying to see people get on the
back of either a donkey or ahorse, that is not broken.
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The only thing that gets brokenis your neck.
Be very careful, you're gettingtossed from it.
Be very careful, cares.
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Scripture says that it was notbroken and they had the donkey,
the mother walking alongside ofit.
So you know, there there wassome sign of it being kind of
calmed a little bit, that itsmother was, was present.
But you know he rides it in,there's blankets covering it and
he's riding a donkey.
Now, what kind of king ridesinto a town, into a city on a
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donkey?
A king that's bringing peace?
So this is all happening onSunday they're going into
Jerusalem, they have all thesepalms, so to back up just a
second.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So you're saying that just even what he wrote in on
was a symbol, that was anincredible symbol.
Instead of his war horse,instead of conquering, he wrote
in on peace.
You're saying I come in, peaceand gentleness.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
He's coming to restore, that there's hope for
people and it's not like a hopethat, oh hey, we're going to be
completely liberated and youknow, by the end of this week
we're going to be free andthere's not going to be any
Roman left standing.
No, that wasn't it Completelydifferent agenda.
So he comes in and people aresinging Hosanna, praises to God,
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they have palm branches andthey're starting to lay those on
the ground too and making themaking the road level.
Cause when Kings would comeinto cities, at that time too,
people would remove their cloaks.
They would remove the, theywould.
They would remove their cloaks,they would take the palms and
put them on the road, becauseit's not like the roads here in
Topeka, I was actually talkingto somebody last week that
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wasn't from here and they saidis it always like there's this
much construction?
And I said, yeah, you can blameme being from Michigan, because
it's either winter constructionyeah, there wasn't necessarily
construction back then, but youthink there's potholes here.
You know, they would put thecloaks, they would put the palm
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branches on the ground to softenthe hooves of the horse or the
donkey or whatever was coming inthe wheels of the wagons that
are going in.
So it was a way of showingsubmission.
So they're celebrating Christcoming in, singing praises to
him.
Hosanna in the highest.
That's Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Boy, what a difference a week makes.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, what a difference a day makes, because
fast forwarding just not even 24hours.
You got Monday.
What happens Monday?
Monday, jesus goes into thetemple.
Well, first, and we don't haveto get into it.
But we did discuss just beforewe started the podcast.
Jesus curses a fig tree, saysyou're not going to bear any
more fruit.
So, yeah, and I can just readthat real quick the next day.
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So the day after the triumphalentry, they went out from
Bethany and he was hungry.
Seeing it in the distance, afig tree with leaves, he went to
find it out there to see ifthere was anything on it.
When he came to it, he foundnothing but leaves, for it was
not the season for figs.
He said to it may no one evereat fruit from you again.
And his disciples heard it.
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So, fast forwarding a couplemore verses the tree is withered
, which we were discussing.
That that is actually the lastrecorded miracle that Christ
does, and that is the onlymiracle he does that is
destructive.
Everything else is restorative.
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This one, he just told a figtree that was out of season.
Guess what?
You're no good, nobody's goingto eat from you again.
So that was Monday morning, butthen you fast forward just a
little bit, or between now andthen, between his cursing and
then them coming back to findthe cursed fig tree.
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They go into the temple and it'snot just a hey, how you doing,
how's everybody doing, kind ofthing.
You know people are probablylooking around being like, hey,
how you doing, how's everybodydoing Kind of thing.
You know people are probablylooking around and being like,
hey, that's the guy that we justcelebrated yesterday.
And what does Jesus do?
He makes a, he makes a whip andhe starts flipping tables and
he's like you've turned thisplace into a den of thieves.
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This is my father's house andyou call this a house of prayer
for all nations and he caststhem out and it's like that.
What?
So?
What were they doing there?
So they were selling.
They had money changers, theyhad tables for people to go in
and purchase doves.
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They're preparing the templefor Passover.
So this entire week, holy Week,quote unquote they are
celebrating, going through theprocess of celebrating Passover,
the meaning of when the Lordtook the Israelites out of Egypt
and passed over them and youknow all, the firstborn of those
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who did not have the blood ofthe lamb on their doorposts.
If you didn't have it.
Guess what?
Firstborn in the family dead.
So that's what the Passover wasall about.
So during Passover, theysacrifice the perfect lamb.
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So you kind of do that stark,that drastic difference that
this is a big deal.
I mean it's it's uh be aboutthe equivalent of you know it's
Christmas, for for our cultureIt'd be like somebody going in
the Monday before Christmas andjust flipping all the the
present wrapping tables all overand they're like, guess what?
Christmas is canceled, likewhat you did what?
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Why would you do that?
So Jesus goes in and he'ssaying you've turned this place
into a den of thieves, which isa great foreshadowing of hey,
you're about to sacrifice aPassover lamb.
You don't need to do thatanymore.
I am the Passover lamb, but hewas.
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You know he's not saying that,but he was making way for that
to be like.
This is obsolete.
What I am about to do is goingto complete and finish
everything that has been undone.
So while he's doing all that,and the following verse in hang
on my Bible's at a really weirdangle verse 18.
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So when Jesus is doing this,the chief priests and the
scribes they're hearing this andthey're looking for a way to
kill him and they've beenconniving for years because he's
been in ministry for threeyears.
They've been trying to find outa way to kill him, to take him
out, and it's like, okay, this,now we got to do something about
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this because people are stillastonished by his teaching.
So evening came, they left thecity, then they see the fig tree
fig tree dead.
So maybe that might have someparallels to okay, this is what
it was in the past.
This is the Lord's provision inthe past.
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This is the Lord's provisionfor the future.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, but so then, what continues on?
Through that week?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
We went through Sunday, we went through Monday,
we went through monday, sotuesday um, just looks like a
lot of teaching, a lot of hisfinal teachings.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Wednesday uh, you have judas which, before we go
there, before we go there, Iwanted to highlight one of the
one of the verses real quick,okay, and it's I think it's
critical for us, especially hereat trm, because it's what we
talk about a lot.
But during these last teachingsof Jesus, these last parables,
there is one point in Mark 12,starting in verse 28,.
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It says one of the scribesapproached and when he heard
them debating and saw that Jesusanswered them, well, he asked
him which command is the mostimportant of all?
And Jesus answered the mostimportant is listen, israel, the
Lord, our God.
The Lord is one.
Love the Lord, your God, withall your heart, with all your
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soul and with all your mind andwith all your strength.
And the second is love yourneighbor as yourself.
There is no other commandgreater than these Full stop.
I can't highlight that enough,especially reflecting here that
we get this verse in the finalweek of Jesus ministry, as we're
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reflecting on it before we getthere.
And I just had to stop therebecause it's like this is what
TRM is Love God, love others,others being everyone, every
person is made in the image ofGod, and you know we treasure
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that here.
So, anyway, I had to stop therereal quick because I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, it's kind of cool that you brought that up
too, because, like one of thethings that I'm working on right
now and I'm almost done- I'malmost done with my schooling.
I'll have a come May 18th I willbe done with my master's degree
, but right now one of theclasses that that I'm working
through is cross-culturalministry and management, and one
of the things this week thatthat's part of the discussion is
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the issue that sometimes wehave as the Western as the
Western Church when it comes tocommunities, and this really hit
it hard for me because I'm likeshoot, how many of us live in
neighborhoods?
All of us, statistically themost unneighborly people,
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meaning that you're not going tolook out for your next door
neighbor on your street.
Statistically and this book waswritten in 97, things I don't
think have changed because I'mguilty of it Statistically the
most unneighborly people guesswho?
They are Christians, the peoplewho are actively going to
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church and doing stuff in theirchurch, are not reaching out to
the person that is living rightnext door to them, across the
street from them, two housesdown from them.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
What's the hold up?
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
We are supposed to love the Lord, our God, with all
our heart.
We're doing that.
Are we doing that for ourneighbors?
Yeah, so take that for whateveryou want, take it for what it's
worth.
But that was convicting for mewhen we were going through that,
through that lecture.
Uh, actually this morning, umwere going through that lecture
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actually this morning.
Boy, that put things intoperspective for me.
That's really interesting.
Yeah, doesn't matter whatneighborhood you are in, be out
there, be present.
Yeah, invest in your people.
Yeah, you're there for a reason, yeah, so, yeah, okay, all
right, there's the.
There's a nice little.
Yeah, there's a commercialbreak, full stop.
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So that's, that's tuesday.
Uh, tuesday, wednesday, ish,then wednesday.
We've all heard of judas, um,and there's also the prediction
that the, the, the temple, isgoing to be destroyed, then
rebuilt.
Who's going to rebuild thetemple in three days?
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Boy, howdy, that takes forever.
But Judas sells out, totalsellout, betrays Jesus for 30
pieces of silver.
That's how much you would sell.
A slave Sells out the guy thathe's been with for three years
for 30 pieces of silver.
What a jerk.
But that's what it was meant,that's what had to be done To be
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handed over.
So, while this is all going on.
Judas comes back, they have theLord's Supper.
So we're now on Thursday,preparation for the Passover.
Um, this was kind of a cultureshock for me.
Um, I don't know if it's justbecause of the church that I
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grew up in.
Um, church I grew up in thedenomination is just a branch
off of basically Wesleyan.
Um is just a branch off ofbasically wesleyan.
Um.
When I came out here, uh, tokansas, I said these words and
I've even said it here whileworking here at the mission, and
some people look at me like Ihave like a feather growing out
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of the top of my head.
Um, it's like what, what, how isthat possible?
Um, what, how is that possible?
What Maundy Thursday, mm-hmm.
And even when I've discussedlike okay, like this week we are
celebrating Maundy Thursdaywith some of our guests, we're
going to do an Easter egg huntfor the kiddos, mm-hmm.
And I've said, like MaundyThursday, we're going to do it.
(18:05):
And when I said that last year,I just kind of got some looks
like huh, yeah, that wassomething that we would always
do in my upbringing.
Uh, at at my church in in PortHuron, michigan, um Mondi.
Um is Latin for uh, I got topull it up on my phone.
(18:26):
I'm sorry, I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
No, that's okay.
As you as you looked that hadsimilar, like that was something
that wasn't really culturallyfor me.
So the first time I heard it aswell, I was like did you say
Monday Thursday, monday Thursday?
You know, that's two separatedays, right?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Anyway, sorry, we got to relive Monday no.
So yeah, it was interestinghearing that because I hadn't
actually heard that term severalyears ago.
So it's maundy M-A-U-N-D-Y.
So that comes from the Latinword of mandatum, which means
like you hear, mandate,commandment, so the commandment.
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What's all going on?
On Thursday, you got the LastSupper, you got Passover.
Jesus is giving the commandmentwhat's all?
Going on.
On Thursday you got the lastsupper, you got Passover.
Jesus is giving the command ofwhat.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Communion.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Communion.
This is my body, which wasbroken.
For you, do this in remembranceof me.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Kind of the last command Jesus gave his disciples
before.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
But also another final commandment that he tells
his disciples is to love, love,jesus.
I can't tell if that's in Mark,I'm trying to skim it right now
, sorry folks.
He washes their feet.
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Yes, so you can see.
See that that he's washing thedisciples feet.
Um, you know, he's like do thisfor your people too.
Um, nothing is below you.
To wash somebody's feet wasincredibly degrading to do.
I mean, that was the lowest oflow of anybody to do anything.
So, Jesus, their teacher,washing their feet.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
it's wild, it was basically the you know servant
leadership epitomized.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yes, so that was Thursday.
Um, then they leave dinner,they go into the garden.
Judas has gone and done.
You know, jesus is like nowleave and do what you're what
you're about to do.
Judas is gone, going to get theguards, and everybody.
Jesus is in the garden, praying, weeping, sweating blood, and
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he's got his other discipleswith him and he says please stay
awake and pray with me.
And what do they do?
They fell asleep.
They fall asleep.
How many of us fall asleep whenwe're in the middle of trauma,
trials?
Whatever it is, whether it isfiguratively falling asleep or
literally falling asleep, we'reall guilty of it.
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But does Jesus berate them?
No, can't you just stay awakewith me for an hour?
I am grieved to the point ofdeath and Jesus is praying to
his father, saying if there'sany other way, please let it be.
But it's your will, not mine.
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Yeah, so did Jesus want to die?
No, no, he knew it was about tohappen.
Judas comes, yeah, so did Jesuswant to die?
No, no, he knew what was aboutto happen.
Judas comes, betrays Jesus witha kiss and then this will.
This is what's really wild, andwe discussed this at church a
couple of weeks ago, but therewas a question of how many
trials?
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How many trials betweenThursday night into Friday
morning, before the third orsixth hour when Jesus dies?
How many trials did Jesus gothrough to see if he was guilty
and they put him to death?
How many trials?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Wasn't it like I don't know two.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
No, it was six.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Six trials, and all within the span of a few hours,
a few hours.
How is that even?
How is that just?
But the lord had a plan.
He was scourged, he was beaten,and just kind of looking at how
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they depict it.
In Jewish culture or it mighthave been Roman culture when
people were scourged it wasbelieved that 40 lashings was
death.
So they would give one lesslashing, one less lashing of
death, so 39.
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What Jesus was beaten with wasknown as the cat of nine tails,
which was a whip with nineleather strips with either
pottery, clay or little piecesof metal or glass attached to it
.
39 times.
Getting hit by that, you areturned into raw hamburger.
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Or glass attached to it.
39 times getting hit by that,you are turned into raw
hamburger.
And the closest I think thatthey could get, just to depict
it.
And it's the power of Hollywood.
But the Passion of the ChristShoot.
I was in seventh grade whenthat movie came out.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And now we're here.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But I actually watched that scene this morning
and struggled to get through it,because I counted, tried to
count, how many times he wasfirst beaten with the rods,
which was 39.
Wasn't good enough.
So then they took out thefledgling or whatever they
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called it, and then they beathim again 39 times.
And then the head Centurion orguard says flip them over.
And they beat him again until,like, the head Centurion comes
in and says what are you doing?
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You were just supposed to beathim, not kill him.
But the way that they showed itin Hollywood, I don't even think
that that did justice of howbad he looked.
Um, the scripture says that hisbeard is ripped out, that
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people would say that, oh yeah,well, you know it was probably a
totally different personbecause, you know, the disciples
didn't recognize him when hecame back.
When your brain is in traumaresponse, you don't recognize
things that are in front of you.
So when you have, first andforemost, your beard completely
ripped out you and I both havebeards.
We know what it feels like whena child pulls on our beard.
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It doesn't feel great, no, andthat's a child, and that's a
child.
And if your beard is completelyripped out of its follicles.
There's going to be swelling.
So Jesus has been on trial sixtimes, has been scourged, beaten
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to a pulp, severe blood loss.
Then a crown of thorns is puton his head, and these weren't
just, like you know, little rosethorns.
These were thick, long, two anda half inch thorns that were
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beaten into his head.
That should have killed him.
Then they gave him a cross, puta purple robe on him and if you
think about that, if you putsomething dry and this wasn't
the most hygienic time dusty,yep, so he's trudging through
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dust, he's trudging through dirt, he's bleeding out.
He's got this purple robe onhim.
If you have sores that are openwounds and you have a robe or
clothing that's put on it,what's going to happen?
It's going to clot, it's goingto cling, it's going to stop the
bleeding, and then they rip itoff and he has to carry this
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rugged cross up a hill half deadand then they nail him to it.
And if there's one thing thatthe Romans were really, really,
really good at, it was killingtheir enemies.
The cross wasn't perfected yet,but what they did and very
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rarely they would actually nailsomebody to the cross, because
if you nailed them, that meantthat you had to take them down
or you leave them up there forthe birds to pick them.
But scripture says that hislegs weren't broken.
No bone was broken in his body.
But the way to die on the crosswasn't the blood loss.
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It wasn't the shame that youfelt, the embarrassment when
they hoisted you up on the cross, there was a hole in the ground
that it would jar you.
You'd die by suffocation.
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So all the things that Christ issaying is he is suffocating to
death.
God, forgive them, for theydon't know what they're doing.
Woman, behold your son.
Son, behold your mother.
Truly, I tell you today youwill be with me in paradise.
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The Son of God was a man whowas acquainted with grief,
beaten for our sins, fully God,and had always been in the
presence of the Father, knewwhat it was to be in the
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presence of the Father.
And what does he call out?
Elohi, elohi, lama sabachthani,my God, my God, why have you
forsaken me?
He knew what it was like to bealone.
Why?
Because he died for all thosewho have and are alone.
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He suffered, he gave his spiritand he died, and that is good
Friday.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
But that's not the end of the story.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, and why do we call it good Well?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I don't think they called it good then no, but we
call it good now we call it good, because we know what's coming.
We know what's coming, butthere was one day in between
there.
How do you think that Saturdaywent for everybody?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
The perspective that I always try to take in is what
was Peter thinking?
You know, thursday night Jesusis telling Peter you're going to
deny me three times.
And Peter's like, no, I'm not.
And Jesus goes no, you arebefore the third rooster crows.
You're going to deny me before,before the rooster crows.
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You're going to deny me threetimes.
He goes, no, no, I won't.
And then he does it.
Then he did it.
Jesus looks at him, doesn't sayanything.
What does he do?
What does scripture say?
He does, he runs and he weepsbitterly, a guttural feeling of
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absolute, I would sayself-resentment, like who am I
that?
The son of God, the son of man?
Man told me that I'm going todeny him and I argued with him
and now he's dead.
So what's going through Peter'shead?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I can't help but think of even the any of the
disciples who followed this manfor three years, who believed he
was the Messiah, and he's gone.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And he's gone.
There is silence, tension, fear, shock.
Where's the hope?
When's it gonna happen to us?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
yeah, they're gonna find us mm-hmm, but they go
through Saturday.
Finally after the long silenceof Saturday, we get to Sunday.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And it's really cool that who are the first people
that Jesus appears to women?
Not only is he restoring whatwas broken, but who was the
first one to eat in thetemptation in the garden?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Eve Eve.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Let's restore the women first, but also in that
culture culture.
If you are a woman and there'sno man that's around, you're not
a viable witness to anything.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
So two women going to care for his body.
They were also doing whatneeded to be done.
Yes, right, they were takingcare of what needed to be done
for Jesus' body to honor hisburial.
They're doing what needed to bedone, and then he goes here I
am.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Go tell the disciples and tell Peter.
Calls Peter up by name, butJohn was the first one to get
there.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
John got there first.
John wrote it, you ran ahead.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, Peter could have done his account, but you
know we don't have a gospel ofPeter, we have the gospel of
John, and John puts it veryclearly that I got there first.
I got there first.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I got there first, but man first.
I got there first, but man,okay.
So we've walked through PalmSunday, we've walked through
Holy week, we've walked throughthe death, the long Saturday of
silence and weeping and mourning, and we get to Sunday, the, I
think, the epitome of what we,as believers, kind of hinge our
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faith on the resurrection ofJesus.
What an amazing time tocelebrate.
And I don't know why I'm kindof hung up on Saturday because I
think maybe there's listenerswho are stuck in a Saturday,
maybe you're stuck in adifficult Saturday and you've
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been in a long season of feelinglike there's no hope, feeling
like what do you hold on to?
And it sounds cheesy becauseyou've probably heard it before,
but Sunday is coming and thereis hope because Jesus gave us
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the ultimate hope in hisresurrection.
So hold on to that.
What else can we kind of takeaway from this?
Why does this matter to ustoday?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I think back to Matthew you, where Jesus is
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coming into Jericho andeverybody's so excited to see
him and nobody could be asexcited as one guy in particular
.
And this guy was one really badguy, a tax collector, and not
just any kind of tax collector,he was the top, he was the cream
of the crop, zacchaeus, he wasthe chief tax collector.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
The most unliked of all the unlikable.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
If there's anybody, yeah, if there's anybody could
be like you are the most unlikedperson in your community.
It'd be him.
It's him like that guy.
Look the other way if he'sgetting robbed like I didn't see
anything.
Zacchaeus runs up, climbs atree.
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Jesus calls out to him by nameand says Zacchaeus, come down
from there.
Zacchaeus is repentant, saysthat he's going to make
everything right, that he willgive back four times those who
he has extorted from.
And what does Jesus say?
He has been restored, For theSon of man has come to seek and
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save the lost Mm-hmm.
The lost Mm-hmm.
Time and time again throughScripture, through people
(36:43):
throughout history that I haveseen personally, that you think
there is no way that God isdoing anything in their life.
Why does this all matter?
Because he has come to seek andsave the lost.
It's never too late.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
The thief on the cross.
It was never too late.
Today you will join me inparadise.
The other thing that I reflecton a lot is that in the temple
there was a veil or there was acurtain that separated
essentially the holy, holy placethat only the top religious
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leaders could go into, and thatveil.
When Jesus died, that veil wastorn from the top to the bottom,
saying God tore that.
That's done, that's gone.
That separation is gone.
It leveled the playing fieldand it wasn't.
We all can come to him.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I might be wrong in saying this, but I believe I
mean it wasn't just a curtain,it wasn't just something that
you know right, you couldaccidentally tear.
It's like I think it was likeeight inches thick of woven
thread and everything, soanybody being able to tear it?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
let alone cut it.
Good luck, yeah, you didn'tjust accidentally cut that, it
just happened.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
No, it didn't.
Yeah, so yeah, it being tornfrom the top down.
Yeah, it's done yeah, it'sfinished.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The finished work it's done so it just.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
It extends the hope of where is hope?
Here is hope.
No matter how dark it seems, nomatter how desperate you may
feel, how dead you may feel,resurrection is possible.
Those who call upon the name ofthe Lord will be saved.
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If we confess our sins, he isfaithful and just and will
cleanse us of allunrighteousness, forgive us of
our sins and cleanse us of allunrighteousness While we were
still his enemy.
He died for us.
Folks, whatever that looks like,if you're celebrating Good
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Friday, if you are celebratingthe resurrection, or if you are
caught in between on HolySaturday, the darkness, the
silence, please know that we atthe Topeka Rescue Mission, we
are here for you.
We are here with you.
We are here for you.
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We are here with you and wewant to invite you to engage
with us, whether it is throughvolunteering, whether it is
through prayer, whether it isthrough support, whatever that
looks like.
Reach out to us and know thatyou are not alone.
The big thing of what is soimportant for redemption is
connection.
Yeah, you can't do it alone.
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I'm an introvert.
I love to be alone.
Same but there's something aboutcommunity and doing things
together.
There's something aboutcommunity and doing things
together.
We weren't meant to be alone,so that's my final charge.
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You may think that everythingis in utter chaos, utter
disaster, just death,destruction, but there is hope
and the hope is Jesus.
We believe that he is the onewho has sent us to bring that
hope to, to profess his hope.
So if you want to get involved,reach out to us trmonlineorg,
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reach out to us on our Facebook.
We just thank you for this timethat you've been able to sit
with us, listen to Josh's heart,to my heart, and just be able
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to hear the good news that is inJesus Christ and that it is
Friday but Sunday's coming.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yep, amen, man.
I just want to echo that.
Thank you for listening, man.
I just want to encourage peopleto, as Mike said, be a good
neighbor.
Reach out to you.
Reach out to your neighbortoday and as you continue to go
through this week, as we get toEaster.
You know, just love the peoplearound you and love the Lord, as
he's commanded us.
As Mike said, if you want moreinformation, you can visit
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trmonlineorg.
We'd love to connect with youand just have a wonderful rest
of your week, thank you.
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