August 6, 2025 • 46 mins
Today, joins us as we explore one of the most misunderstood aspects of Christian tradition – baptism as practiced in the early church versus how it's commonly performed today.
This podcast will critically examine the baptismal formula practiced today (supposedly supported by Matthew 28:19) and comparing it with actual apostolic practice. In this thought-provoking episode, we introduce the concept of "The 2819 Project", drawing a parallel to how the controversial 1619 Project attempted to reframe American history. Present-day orthodoxy of baptism has similarly obscured biblical precedent.
Through meticulous scriptural analysis, we discover a striking discrepancy: while Matthew records Jesus commanding baptism "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit," parallel passages in Mark and Luke use language "in my name" or "in His name". Even more compelling is the book of Acts, which consistently shows the apostles baptizing "in the name of Jesus Christ", with no recorded instances of what has become known today as the trinitarian formula.
This creates a theological dilemma, particularly for those who elevate Jesus' direct words (in red letters) above the rest of Scripture. Were the apostles disobedient to Jesus' command, or have we somehow misunderstood? Historical research suggests that the trinitarian formula didn't become standard practice until the fourth century, primarily through Roman Catholic codification.
The episode challenges listeners to approach Scripture holistically, remembering Paul's words that "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God" – not just the red letters. By examining these baptismal accounts without preconceived notions, we gain fresh insight into early church practices that might reshape our understanding of this sacred ordinance.
This podcast might affect your view of baptism and biblical interpretation. Join us as we seek truth together, following the crumb trail testimonies found in the Word of God.
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j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:03):
The vision received was that of blood cells
traveling throughout the body,supplying the much-needed oxygen
and other nutrients to thediffering members of the body to
fulfill their purpose.
Once the blood cells are spent,they must return back to the
heart to be refilled beforebeing sent out again and fulfill
their purpose.
Hello everyone, and welcome toOur Father's Heart.
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Yes, this is your host, Jay,and this is one of those special
episodes where I actually cometo you live instead of a
pre-recorded teaching that wasgiven at some time in the past.
Sometimes it's been years inthe past and sometimes it's been
in the recent past, but it'ssummertime and our summertime is
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about to be ended.
We're going back to school injust a short few days and I
personally have had a wonderfulsummer Been able to work on
things in the house, someprojects that needed to be done
and we got them successfullycompleted, upgraded some things
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here and there, got to spendquality time with my wife and
continue to develop and buildour relationship over this time,
and that's been a wonderfulexperience over these last few
months.
So that's been, that's justbeen one wonderful thing.
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Spending more time with ourchildren, who are home right now
, has also been a blessing andkind of just being able to
relate with everyone without thekind of unhidden pressure of
job or work.
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That's just been wonderfulbecause you kind of you know,
you can kind of go about thesummer kind of carefree, even
though I've had responsibilitiesand things that have been
obligations that I've beenwanting to tackle and get done,
and so that's always been there.
But you know, every time westep away from teaching per se,
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our job, and just not have thathanging over our heads, you know
, every Monday through Friday,always making sure we've got
ourselves prepared and plannedand ready to go to teach the
students, just not having thatobligation and being able to
wake up every day with thissense of freedom.
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You know, personally I prettymuch spent all summer long just
walking with the Lord every dayand that has been.
It's awesome, it really is.
I don't know what else otherword to to explain it because
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just being able to start my daywalking with the Lord in the
cool of the morning around myneighborhood and talking with
Him and hearing from Him, anddevoting my concentration, my
focus, on just praying with himand and and asking questions and
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getting answers, um, and andcommitting this time, uh, to
study to pray.
I mean, recently we justfinished, you know, a 21 day
fast in July and it's just, it'sjust been a wonderful summer in
that respect and even thoughI'm not care, you know looking
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forward to a great deal goingback to work, I know that it's
also my responsibility and Iwant to take what the Lord has
instilled in me.
Uh, over these you know, abouttwo months that we've been off
and I want to take it and I wantto put it into practice.
So I'm kind of looking forwardto that as well Been able to
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minister more frequently andregularly in our fellowship this
past year, and I think that'sbeen a blessing to come out with
a couple of new series.
One focused on the seven levelsof intimacy in our relationship
with the Lord.
Another that's recently been onmy mind is the kingdom, and so
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those have been released onYouTube and I'm sure in the
future at some point they'll bereleased as podcast.
But this summer, as I get totoday's podcast, I've had
something on my heart that it'sjust been finagling at me there
and I just because of so manydifferent things that I've been
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trying to get done before schoolstarts again, I really haven't
been able to sit down and, youknow, just gather my thoughts
and kind of put together whatthe Lord has been just finagling
with me about.
And recently I spent almost awhole day, maybe six hours
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straight, just sitting down andreally meditating, really
focusing on what is it thatyou're trying to pull out of me,
lord?
And that's what today's podcastis about, and it's entitled the
2819 Project.
Hmm, what is that about?
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Well, if you continue onlistening, you will find out,
because I'm about to get started.
In 2019, there was an effortmade in America to reframe
American history, and thiseffort was going to reframe
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American history by placing theconsequences of slavery and the
contributions of Black Americansat the center of the birth of
this nation, and it was calledthe 1619 Project.
It was written by NicoleHannah-Jones she's an
investigative journalist.
It was released through the NewYork Times Magazine in.
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It was August 2019.
And it was an attempt toreframe US history so that it
would recenter all of US historyaround the role of slavery and
Black Americans, and it made thebold claim in its title that
1776 was not the founding dateof America, but that 1619 marked
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the nation's true founding,because that was the year when
enslaved Africans were broughtfirst to Virginia.
Now, by the time the 1619Project was published, one of
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the results of this newfoundclaim was that America was
actually 400 years old, not 243.
Now, traditionally it has beentaught that the settlers in the
New England colonies were tryingto break away from England like
the Protestants broke away fromthe Catholic Church in the
Protestant Reformation whichbegan in 1517.
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But the 1619 Project nowclaimed that the American
Revolution was actually foughtto preserve slavery was actually
fought to preserve slavery.
That in and of itself, flies inthe face of everything that
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we've been taught in oureducational program.
You know, we were breaking awayfrom England, we couldn't stand
taxation without representationand we had the Boston Tea Party
, and I can't remember at allanything being talked about.
Oh, this was actually aboutslavery.
So this is a far out claim Now.
The 1619 Project also claimedthat modern capitalism in
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America was actually rooted inslavery area plantation
economics, especially throughthe management methods and the
brutal labor systems.
It also claims that blackAmericans fought alone to make
America a democracy.
Now some of you may bescratching your heads, like I
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just did right now, and I saidclearly, many of us listening to
this are recalling oureducation years, and we might
not remember all the details ofour American US history, but we
would probably remember the date1776, because that was when we
declared our independence fromthe King of England, not 1619,.
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We remember 1776.
And some of us might rememberthat our Constitution came
shortly thereafter, in 1787.
And some of us would probablynever remember capitalism in
America being a direct result ofthe abolition of slavery fought
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for with the Civil War thatended in 1865.
More than likely, we wouldthink of the Industrial
Revolution as transforming ourAmerican economy from
agriculture to industry.
Lastly, I would think boomersthat's the term called to the
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baby boom generation today bythis generation and the boomers
and the generations that closelyfollow the boomers would not
agree with the assertion thatthe civil rights was solely and
exclusively through the effortsof black Americans.
We would recognize.
Well, no, there was a complex.
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There was a collaborativeawakening of society at the time
.
It included white abolitionistsover years, and then immigrant
activists and then politicalreformers and man.
If you've been in America and ifyou've experienced the
turbulent times that America hasendured between, say, 2017 and
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the present, the ripple effectsof the 1619 Project is still
felt today.
But after all of these years,since its publishing in 2019,
after careful critique of thesefour main assertions, its
language has been revisedbecause it overgeneralized
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regarding the reason for theAmerican Revolution and it
didn't have any substantialhistorical support for making
that claim.
I mean the idea that the 1619,that the year 1619 is the true
founding.
Well, that was quietly removedfrom the official framing of the
1619 project and now it's justtouted as oh, no, no, no, no.
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That was symbolic, that wasn'treally factual.
So they kind of changed theirframing of it, their marketing
for it and, honestly, there arestill debates over the
oversimplification of theeconomic history in America, and
recent history clearly showsthat the civil rights movement
was not an exclusively work ofBlack Americans making America a
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democracy.
I mean, honestly speaking,america was a democracy before
the civil rights movement.
It's just a better democracytoday for its American citizens.
So, wow, where am I going withthis?
The 1619 Project was effectivein doing what the serpent was
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effective in doing by beguilingEve.
That's from Genesis 3.
You can find that in 2Corinthians 11, verse 3.
Because what the serpent didwas cause Eve to doubt and
question what God had said bychanging details and perverting
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intended meanings of what Godsaid and the result, obviously
we all know, was the fall ofmankind.
Now, honestly, it's hyperbolicof me to think that the 1619
Project would have the sameramifications as the fall, but
it certainly had itsconsequences.
I mean, it was the foundational, one of the foundational
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pillars driving the upheavalthat we've been experiencing in
our society in America since2019 to the present, as it was
being promoted through thenation, through many educational
campuses.
Now, I wasn't there, I hadalready graduated, but I come to
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find out, looking back, that,oh wow, this 1619 project was
marketed through ouruniversities and our colleges,
and no wonder, you know, so manypeople are, you know, in an
uproar over things and sayingthings that are just, they're
not valid, they're not correct.
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By now, I would imagine many ofyou are wondering why is he
talking about all of this inthis podcast?
Well, again, it's just beenfinagling at me and I guess I
just had to sit down in thepresence of the Lord and figure
out what exactly is he want todraw out of me regarding this,
because I do recognize that thewiles of the enemy have not
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changed.
His purpose is only to here, tosteal, to kill, to destroy.
It doesn't matter whether he'soutrightly coming against the
children of God or he'sredirecting his tears of his
children to cause chaos andturmoil.
If some of those tares losetheir lives, trust me he cares
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not one bit.
They're just pawn pieces in acosmic match between the tares
that he has sown in the worldand Yahweh and the wheat that he
has sown in the world.
So in my mind, the 1619 Projectit's an example that
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corresponds to the garden, butfor the purposes of this podcast
, I'm using it as a parable, asa parallel for what I would have
liked to talk about in thispodcast.
Hence the title the 2819Project.
Now, the 2819 Project hasabsolutely nothing to do with
American history, but I seesimilarities and I recognize the
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work of the enemy in efforts tocause confusion and disarray in
the body of Christ.
Some of you listening may havesurmised already, based by the
title, that I'm probablyreferring to Matthew 28: 19.
And you would be correct.
This verse is popularly knownin the religious circles as the
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Great Commission and you may seethat as the title of that
section in many of your Bibles.
So let's take a moment If youhave the time, if you're
listening to this podcast Ialways encourage you if you're
not driving, because I know alot of you listen to podcasts
while you're driving here andthere but get out your Bibles.
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Use this time as a time ofBible study, as getting into the
presence of the Lord andconsidering his word and how it
affects us in our lives today.
So if we read Matthew 28, 18through 20, just to give a
little context, and not justread Matthew 28, 19.
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It says Now, if you're readingalong with me, in many of your
Bibles, you will notice thatmost of the text is in red
letters, signifying that it wasquoting Jesus.
Now, personally speaking, Idon't mind red letter edition
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Bibles.
I actually like them, buthaving red letter editions of
Bibles can be misleading.
Hmm, why do I say that?
Well, most Bible readers andstudiers, since the advent of
using red letter edition Bibles,have they just developed this
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sense that the red letters aremore holy or sacred than the
other black letter sections ofthe Bible?
That's just something that hasjust occurred.
I think if you talk to yourfriends or you start paying more
attention to it, you'll realizethat a lot of people do seem to
be doing that and what thatmeans is that they give the red
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letters greater weight orimportance than the rest of the
Bible.
Now, the reality is, if youthink about it, if you just step
back from that idea, theoverwhelming majority of the
Bible, even in the red lettereditions of the Bible, is in
black letters.
Now, depending upon the editionand the translation that you
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use, the red letters only amountto 10 to 15% of the Bible.
Only amount to 10 to 15% of theBible, which means you
mathematicians out there thatthe black letters is a majority,
85 to 90% of the letters andwords in the Bible.
Now, I would presume that theinitial reasons for coming up
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with a red-letter edition of aBible was not to make the rest
of the Bible of less importance.
I don't believe that was themotivation, but nevertheless,
red-letter edition Bibles havehad this unintended consequence.
We would do well to kind of beaware of that, because in order
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to combat that developed sensethat the red letters are more
important than the black letters, all we got to do is just
remind ourselves of thefollowing assertion that Paul,
the apostle of Jesus Christ,made in 2 Timothy 3.16.
Paul said all Scripture let merepeat that again before I
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continue with the reservoirs AllScripture is given by
inspiration of God and isprofitable for doctrine, for
reproof, for correction and forinstruction in righteousness.
All Scripture means all, notjust the red letters In our red
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letter Bibles.
This is important to come toterms with as I proceed with
what I would like to present toyou today.
Now, the thrust of this passageof Matthew 28, 19,.
It should be that, because allpower in heaven and earth has
been given to Jesus, therefore,that word therefore, is put in
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those words therefore, go makedisciples of all nations.
This is how the family ofbrothers and sisters will grow
through discipleship, throughsharing life with one another,
mentoring each other in this newlife that we find ourselves in
when we come into covenant withJesus.
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He's the Messiah, He's theChrist.
But the doctrine of baptism hasalso taken on almost the same
level of significance orimportance because of what was
recorded in this verse, and thisis where the controversy begins
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Chaos and turmoil.
So let's look at this together.
According to Matthew, Jesussaid to baptize.
Quote them in the name of theFather and of the Son and of the
Holy Spirit.
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The rise of compliance with theliteralness of this mandate
began not in the first century,not in the second century, not
in the 3rd century.
It began in the 4th century,most notably with those of the
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Roman Catholic faith.
The Roman Catholic Church isthe body that codified and
standardized this method ofbaptism.
God codified and standardizedthis method of baptism, meaning
in the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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and I'm sure that you've eitherknown Catholic friends or
neighbors or you've seen it inmovies or TV shows.
You know the very infamous putyour hand to the top of your
head with your fingers and touchyour head and come down to the
bottom of your torso and then goto the left and touch your
shoulder on the left and then goto the right and touch your
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shoulder on the right and thentake that finger and kiss with
your lips and let your hands goup and everybody's seen that In
the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Ghost
and you kiss and whatever.
I'm not making it up that itstarted in the 4th century.
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If you look at Roman Catholichistorical records, they
themselves attest to this factand I'm going to hit more on
that later, but I'm not going tosidetrack yet on that
perspective Because I admit weare forced to go outside the
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scriptures to confirm that thismethod definitely began in the
4th century.
In other words, we can't see itin the Scriptures.
In other words, it's not therein the Scriptures.
Now, if we assume that thesehistorical records of Roman
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Catholics are indeed correct,that this method of, in the name
of the Father, son and the HolyGhost, baptism did not start
officially, you know, on a widescale, until the 4th century,
then it begs the question howwere people being baptized
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before?
Now?
Some of you may be asking well,why would I ask that?
It's right there in the redletters of Matthew 28: 19.
And I would then respond well,this is where the red letters
can be misleading.
So, yes, Matthew recorded whatwe read.
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But when we search thescriptures to follow the very
same disciples that were sent byJesus to baptize all nations
the way Matthew recorded, wefind that none of them did it
the way Jesus said.
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You may not be aware of that.
You may have, just over time,just assumed that this was just
the standard way of doing it.
Why?
Because that's probably whatsome of us, many of us may have
been raised in to think that.
Oh well, I've always heard thatin church, every time I heard
the baptism, they always saythat In the name of the Father,
son and the Holy Ghost, I nowbaptize you and then they, you
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know, put them on the water.
And so we never really thoughtanything of it.
But if you slow down and youverify the traditions that
you've been raised in, you mightbe surprised.
So follow me as I follow thisscriptural crumb trail and allow
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the scriptures to answer thisquestion for us.
What's the question again, howwere people being baptized
before the standard practice ofin the name of the Father and of
the Son and of the Holy Spirit?
Now, first I would like to lookat the parallel passages of the
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Matthew 28 event.
What are parallel passages, Jay?
Okay, parallel passages areother places in the scripture
that describe or share the sameevent, for instance, the baptism
of Jesus, event that wasrecorded by three disciples
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Matthew, Mark and Luke.
They all record the same eventfrom their perspective.
So if you read Matthew'saccount and you read Mark's Mark
and Luke they all record thesame event from their
perspective.
So if you read Matthew'saccount and you read Mark's
account and you read Luke'saccount, you would all agree
that they're all talking aboutthe same event, but they all
have different details that werehighlighted, or maybe they did
describe it happening in acertain way.
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That may be slightly differentbecause it's another man's
perspective than the otherperson, and it might be slightly
different than the thirdperson's perspective because
they're all different people.
Well, the same can be said forthe event of Matthew 28.
This event was just to give youa better understanding of when
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this event took place.
It was definitely after Jesusresurrected and definitely
before his ascension.
Okay, so that's where thisMatthew 28 event transpired.
After his resurrection, beforehis ascension.
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I tend to think it was beforehe ascended, like very, very
soon before he ascended, buttechnically speaking, after his
resurrection and before theascension.
We're talking about 40 daysthat Jesus was ministering to
his disciples before he ascendedinto heaven.
So it could have been anywherewithin that time, but the point
is that Matthew, Mark and Lukeall summarized the ending
message of Jesus to thedisciples before he ascended.
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Whether it happened over a40-day period or it happened
like within the day that heascended.
I don't think that's really theissue, but they all seem to be
describing what Jesus wantedthem to do.
And so if we read Mark'saccount in chapter 16, verses 15
through 18, we would see itsaid in the following manner and
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he said to them, meaning Jesus,go into all the world and
preach the gospel to everycreature.
He who believes and is baptizedwill be saved, but he who does
not believe will be condemned.
And these signs will followthose who believe In my name.
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They will cast out demons, theywill speak with new tongues,
they will take up serpents andif they drink anything deadly,
it will by no means hurt them.
They will lay hands on the sickand they will recover.
If you've been reading what Ijust read with me in your Bibles
, you would notice, I would sayvirtually all of those letters
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are in red, except for And Hesaid to them.
You know five words.
Everything else is in red afterthat, and it's just like
Matthew's record in the RedLetter Edition, but the phrase
in the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Spirit
is nowhere to be found.
It does, however, have thephrase in my name, and so that's
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interesting to note.
So we've got the word go.
I believe Matthew said to allthe nations, and in Mark he said
to all the world so same idea,same concept, not a big deal.
Okay, they're using their ownwords and some of our words can
be synonymous with anotherperson's words, so that's not a
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big deal.
It talks about being baptized,but it didn't say oh, we have to
say in the name of the Father,son and the Holy Ghost.
It just says he who believesand is baptized will be saved.
And then it says, in my name,they're going to do these, these
, these things of casting outdemons, speaking with new
tongues, taking up sorpents, andif they drink anything deadly
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it's not going to hurt them andthey're going to lay hands on
the sick and they're going toget healed.
So there are some that they'reuntaught.
The scripture says, or they'reunstable, and these are the
people that are going to twistthe scriptures to their own
destruction.
It says, and they're going touse this scripture Mark 16,
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comparing it with Mark 28,.
And they're going to say yousee, this is evidence that God's
word contains errors andcontradictions and it's not
valid for adhering one's life toits doctrine.
In other words, it's a flaweddocument, it's not to be trusted
.
There are some that do that,they do that often.
And then there's some novicereaders of the Bible that they
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wouldn't even recognize thedifference.
It'd be just, oh okay, it's thesame idea, and they probably
wouldn't even be comparing,because you know, when we
compare and contrast you'retalking about a different level,
a higher level of reader whenwe start comparing and
contrasting, because we have abetter grasp of the scriptures.
So novice readers might notrecognize this.
More developed readers mightcatch that and say, oh, that's
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interesting, he didn't quite sayit the same way.
And then their more maturereaders will recognize it and
they'll begin to search it outLike it's a ooh, that's
interesting, I want to know why,and it's like a valuable
treasure to them.
And so they'll search out thematter for understanding and
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clarification, which is,incidentally, what we're doing
now.
So the next parallel passage maynot be the same event, but it's
definitely within the same timeperiod, time period between his
resurrection and his ascension,and that's in Luke, chapter 24,
verses 46 through 49.
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First five words are blackletters.
Then he said to them and theneverything else is red.
Okay, Jesus said Thus.
It is written thus it wasnecessary for Christ to suffer
and to rise from the dead thethird day, and that repentance
and remission of sins should bepreached.
And you are witnesses of thesethings.
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I send the promise of my Fatherupon you, but tarry in the city
of Jerusalem until you areendued with power from on high.
So here we see the phrase inhis name to all nations.
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So now we're not just comparingand contrasting two
perspectives, we're comparingand contrasting three verses of
Scripture.
So if you're just listening andtaking it all in, you might have
a hard time trying to do whatI'm doing right now because you
don't concretely see it.
So I recommend doing your ownstudy to you know, when you get
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time and you're not driving andyou're sitting down and you can
open up the pages to Matthew 28.
Open up the pages to Mark.
Open up the pages to Matthew 28.
Open up the pages to Mark, openup the pages to Luke, and just
flip the pages back and forthand start seeing the minute
differences on your own.
And I'm just going to summarizeit for you here.
The record of Matthew and Markseem to be clearly the same
event.
But let's go ahead andsummarize.
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What do we see in common inthese what I call parallel
passages?
Except for Luke, they share theword go, all right, matthew,
mark say go.
Luke didn't say go, but allthree, in their own way, seem to
be summarizing the last wordsof direction of Jesus before he
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ascended.
I don't think that's too far ofa stretch.
I don't think we're stretchinganything.
I think we could all read thoseand generally agree that.
Hmm, yeah, it does seem likethat's what he said before he
ascended and before he left andwhat he wanted them to do.
So the ideas of all threepassages, the themes, the
concepts, they're found in allthree, but clearly not the
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phrase in the name of the Fatherand of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit.
We all can see that.
It's explicit, it'sself-evident.
Now two of them use the phrasein my name or in his name.
Okay, so they all record thesynonymous phrases to all
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nations or to all the world.
Meaning, you know basically thesame go to all the peoples.
And so clearly they all have acommon emphasis of the name my
name, and in his name and in hisname.
Now, in the Greek, this word,in these particular instances,
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in these particular places, isalways singular, it's never
plural.
This is also important toacknowledge and to keep in mind,
and I think what we should getout of it as we look at all
three is man.
The name must be very important.
Whatever that name is, it mustbe incredibly important because
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they're all talking about thename my name in his name.
So let's continue, but before Ido, let me preface what I'm
about to say, the followinginformation I want you to what
I'm about to say, the followinginformation I want you to two
caveats.
Okay, keep these two caveats inmind.
Luke, obviously, was written by, or the Gospel of Luke was
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written by, Luke.
That's what I wanted to say.
But know this, in case you'renot aware, that there's another
letter that Luke wrote, and hewrote it to a man named
Theophilus and he wanted torecount to Theophilus how this
movement, if you will, cameabout, this Jesus movement.
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And he wrote, Luke wrote theGospel of Luke, and thereafter
he followed it with the Acts,which is a letter to Theophilus.
Okay, so I want you to keepthat in mind.
That caveat, okay.
Number two, and I just have tosay this plainly, and you can
verify it for yourself, you canresearch it for yourself.
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I have no quibbles or qualmswith making this statement,
because it's scripturally true.
There is no scriptural evidencethat demonstrates that the
disciples who turned apostlesbaptized anyone decreeing in the
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name of the Father and of theSon and of the Holy Spirit.
Just sit back and take that in.
There is no scriptural evidencethat any of the apostles
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul,Barnabas, Saul I'm naming other
characters in the first centurythat were prominent James, the
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sons of Zebedee, Andrew none ofthem, nobody, nobody.
There's no evidence.
These points are important tonote because Acts continues the
record and the story, if youwill, the account where the
Gospel of Luke left off andended.
If you read them back to backwhich is probably the best way
to do it because it's the sameauthor he is giving you the
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Gospel of Jesus for Luke andthen he's kind of giving you,
you know, the Acts of the HolySpirit through his apostles in
the letter of Acts.
So if the disciples didn'tleave any evidence that they
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said what Jesus said in Matthew28: 19, then that begs a further
question what then did they say?
So I want to share with you thefollowing are the biblical
testimonies of New CovenantBaptism.
These are the scriptures thatwe will now consider In Acts,
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chapter 2:38, the firstopportunity that the disciples
had to adhere to the words thatJesus used, that were recorded
by Matthew in Matthew 28 (37:48):
19.
The first opportunity is righthere in Acts 2:38.
Peter said to them repent andlet every one of you be baptized
in the name of Jesus Christ forthe remission of sins, and you
shall receive the gift of theHoly Ghost or the Holy Spirit.
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Hmm, wow, well, that Jesus, Imean Paul, I'm going through all
of them, Paul, not what am Isaying, Peter?
Oh, my goodness, Peter did notsay what Jesus said in Matthew
28:19.
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I mean, that's obvious, it'sclear.
I don't have to say much moreabout it, I just want to
highlight it.
Okay, the next opportunity thatwe have of recorded event that
shares with us what happened wasActs, chapter 8, verse 16.
It says For, as yet, he hadfallen upon none of them.
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They had only been baptized inthe name of the Lord Jesus.
Well, that is a repetition ofwhat Peter said they needed to
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do For those that were listeningon the day of Pentecost.
Okay, the next record is Acts,chapter 10, verse 47 to 48.
Peter is preaching the gospel tothe house of Cornelius and he
says because they had just allreceived the gift of the Holy
Ghost.
And how did they know that?
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Because they all began to speakin tongues as the Spirit gave
utterance, just as happened tothe disciples on the day of
Pentecost.
Peter says Can anyone forbidwater?
That these here should not bebaptized, who have received the
Holy Spirit, just as we have?
And he commanded them to bebaptized in the name of the Lord
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.
Well, that's not surprising.
I mean, you got the actual sameperson, peter, saying the same
thing.
He said the first opportunityhe had to baptize someone.
He's just reiterating himself.
But then we have anothertestimony Acts, chapter 19.
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Now Paul was ministering tosome apparent disciples and
after some conversation withthem, he ended up laying hands
on them.
They received the gift of theHoly Ghost and they spoke in
tongues.
And then it says this and whenthey heard this, they were
baptized in the name of the LordJesus.
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So we got Peter telling us tobaptize in the name of the Lord
Jesus.
We have Acts, chapter 8 is whenStephen went to minister the
gospel of the kingdom to theSamaritans.
They were baptized in the nameof the Lord Jesus.
Peter preaches the gospel toCornelius the Gentiles, and they
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were baptized in the name ofthe Lord Jesus.
And Paul remember thepersecutor, the one that was
committing murder against thesaints of the Most High.
He had been converted, he hadbeen born again, he had turned
his life over to Jesus and hebegan to serve him.
He also baptized in the name ofthe Lord Jesus.
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In the book of Acts, which is aletter written by Luke, one of
the original disciples of theLord Jesus that became an
apostle Hmm, very interesting.
I'm going to be honest with you.
These are the only biblicaltestimonies that I could share
with you.
If there were others, I wouldshare with you.
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I'm not afraid to share thescriptures and show all the
different testimonies, but thereare none.
So, for those who emphasize thered letters over the black
letters of the Bible, they'restuck in a dilemma and a
quandary.
You see, will you take all ofthe evidence into account,
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meaning the red letters and theblack letters, or will you be
the one who twists thescriptures to your own
destruction because you can'tunderstand?
Or are you going to hold toyour traditions and you're going
to pit sections of the word ofGod against other sections of
the word of God, hence puttingred letters versus the black
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letters.
This is what others who areuntaught in the Scriptures do,
but they say it in a differentway.
They take it a step further andthey have the audacity to put
Jesus against his own disciples.
That's what that?
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That essentially.
When we put the red lettersagainst the black letters,
saying that no, no, no, we'regoing to stick to the red
letters because that's exactlywhat Jesus says, that was a
quotation of Jesus, and then weput them against the black
letters and we make theminferior to the red letters,
well, that's what we're doing.
We're putting Jesus against hisdisciples, because all the
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black letters that are found inthe Bible are written by his
disciples and his prophets.
Clearly, the disciples did notquote Jesus and say what Jesus
reportedly said in Matthew.
They didn't.
What we can all agree on isthat it is clear that they did
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what he said to do, because noapostles, in any of the
testimonies that I've shared,corrected each other.
No disciples.
Apostles corrected each otherwhen they baptized in the name
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of the Lord Jesus.
That's important to recognize.
Another important thing torecognize is that neither did
Jesus correct them.
Now remember, the main point ofMatthew 28: 19 was not how
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someone should get baptized.
The context is hey, since allpower in heaven and earth is
given to me, I want you to goand make disciples of all
nations.
That's really the main thrustof all of those three parallel
passages that I gave you fromMatthew, Mark, and Luke.
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Go and make disciples threeparallel passages that I gave
you from Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
Go and make disciples.
But what I call the 2819 Projectis obfuscating the issue,
because the 2819 Project, itseeks to reframe history by
focusing on a peripheral issueand perverting its intended
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meaning of what followed,similar to what the serpent did
to Eve in the Garden of Eden,similar to what the 1619 Project
tried to do with Americanhistory.
This is what the 2819 Projecthas caused that we should
question the Word of God, weshould pit the red letters
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versus the black letters, andnow we have chaos and turmoil
and people are left in Babel.
They're left in confusion.
They don't know what to think.
They don't know what to believe.
They don't know what to think.
They don't know what to believe.
They don't know what to adhereto.
So let me see if I may be ofsome service to you, if you were
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Hello everyone, and welcome toOur Father's Heart.
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Yes, this is your host, Jay,and this is one of those special
episodes where I actually cometo you live instead of a
pre-recorded teaching that wasgiven at some time in the past.
Sometimes it's been years inthe past and sometimes it's been
in the recent past, but it'ssummertime and our summertime is
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about to be ended.
We're going back to school injust a short few days and I
personally have had a wonderfulsummer Been able to work on
things in the house, someprojects that needed to be done
and we got them successfullycompleted, upgraded some things
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here and there, got to spendquality time with my wife and
continue to develop and buildour relationship over this time,
and that's been a wonderfulexperience over these last few
months.
So that's been, that's justbeen one wonderful thing.
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Spending more time with ourchildren, who are home right now
, has also been a blessing andkind of just being able to
relate with everyone without thekind of unhidden pressure of
job or work.
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That's just been wonderfulbecause you kind of you know,
you can kind of go about thesummer kind of carefree, even
though I've had responsibilitiesand things that have been
obligations that I've beenwanting to tackle and get done,
and so that's always been there.
But you know, every time westep away from teaching per se,
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our job, and just not have thathanging over our heads, you know
, every Monday through Friday,always making sure we've got
ourselves prepared and plannedand ready to go to teach the
students, just not having thatobligation and being able to
wake up every day with thissense of freedom.
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You know, personally I prettymuch spent all summer long just
walking with the Lord every dayand that has been.
It's awesome, it really is.
I don't know what else otherword to to explain it because
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just being able to start my daywalking with the Lord in the
cool of the morning around myneighborhood and talking with
Him and hearing from Him, anddevoting my concentration, my
focus, on just praying with himand and and asking questions and
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getting answers, um, and andcommitting this time, uh, to
study to pray.
I mean, recently we justfinished, you know, a 21 day
fast in July and it's just, it'sjust been a wonderful summer in
that respect and even thoughI'm not care, you know looking
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forward to a great deal goingback to work, I know that it's
also my responsibility and Iwant to take what the Lord has
instilled in me.
Uh, over these you know, abouttwo months that we've been off
and I want to take it and I wantto put it into practice.
So I'm kind of looking forwardto that as well Been able to
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minister more frequently andregularly in our fellowship this
past year, and I think that'sbeen a blessing to come out with
a couple of new series.
One focused on the seven levelsof intimacy in our relationship
with the Lord.
Another that's recently been onmy mind is the kingdom, and so
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those have been released onYouTube and I'm sure in the
future at some point they'll bereleased as podcast.
But this summer, as I get totoday's podcast, I've had
something on my heart that it'sjust been finagling at me there
and I just because of so manydifferent things that I've been
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trying to get done before schoolstarts again, I really haven't
been able to sit down and, youknow, just gather my thoughts
and kind of put together whatthe Lord has been just finagling
with me about.
And recently I spent almost awhole day, maybe six hours
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straight, just sitting down andreally meditating, really
focusing on what is it thatyou're trying to pull out of me,
lord?
And that's what today's podcastis about, and it's entitled the
2819 Project.
Hmm, what is that about?
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Well, if you continue onlistening, you will find out,
because I'm about to get started.
In 2019, there was an effortmade in America to reframe
American history, and thiseffort was going to reframe
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American history by placing theconsequences of slavery and the
contributions of Black Americansat the center of the birth of
this nation, and it was calledthe 1619 Project.
It was written by NicoleHannah-Jones she's an
investigative journalist.
It was released through the NewYork Times Magazine in.
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It was August 2019.
And it was an attempt toreframe US history so that it
would recenter all of US historyaround the role of slavery and
Black Americans, and it made thebold claim in its title that
1776 was not the founding dateof America, but that 1619 marked
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the nation's true founding,because that was the year when
enslaved Africans were broughtfirst to Virginia.
Now, by the time the 1619Project was published, one of
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the results of this newfoundclaim was that America was
actually 400 years old, not 243.
Now, traditionally it has beentaught that the settlers in the
New England colonies were tryingto break away from England like
the Protestants broke away fromthe Catholic Church in the
Protestant Reformation whichbegan in 1517.
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But the 1619 Project nowclaimed that the American
Revolution was actually foughtto preserve slavery was actually
fought to preserve slavery.
That in and of itself, flies inthe face of everything that
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we've been taught in oureducational program.
You know, we were breaking awayfrom England, we couldn't stand
taxation without representationand we had the Boston Tea Party
, and I can't remember at allanything being talked about.
Oh, this was actually aboutslavery.
So this is a far out claim Now.
The 1619 Project also claimedthat modern capitalism in
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America was actually rooted inslavery area plantation
economics, especially throughthe management methods and the
brutal labor systems.
It also claims that blackAmericans fought alone to make
America a democracy.
Now some of you may bescratching your heads, like I
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just did right now, and I saidclearly, many of us listening to
this are recalling oureducation years, and we might
not remember all the details ofour American US history, but we
would probably remember the date1776, because that was when we
declared our independence fromthe King of England, not 1619,.
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We remember 1776.
And some of us might rememberthat our Constitution came
shortly thereafter, in 1787.
And some of us would probablynever remember capitalism in
America being a direct result ofthe abolition of slavery fought
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for with the Civil War thatended in 1865.
More than likely, we wouldthink of the Industrial
Revolution as transforming ourAmerican economy from
agriculture to industry.
Lastly, I would think boomersthat's the term called to the
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baby boom generation today bythis generation and the boomers
and the generations that closelyfollow the boomers would not
agree with the assertion thatthe civil rights was solely and
exclusively through the effortsof black Americans.
We would recognize.
Well, no, there was a complex.
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There was a collaborativeawakening of society at the time
.
It included white abolitionistsover years, and then immigrant
activists and then politicalreformers and man.
If you've been in America and ifyou've experienced the
turbulent times that America hasendured between, say, 2017 and
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the present, the ripple effectsof the 1619 Project is still
felt today.
But after all of these years,since its publishing in 2019,
after careful critique of thesefour main assertions, its
language has been revisedbecause it overgeneralized
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regarding the reason for theAmerican Revolution and it
didn't have any substantialhistorical support for making
that claim.
I mean the idea that the 1619,that the year 1619 is the true
founding.
Well, that was quietly removedfrom the official framing of the
1619 project and now it's justtouted as oh, no, no, no, no.
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That was symbolic, that wasn'treally factual.
So they kind of changed theirframing of it, their marketing
for it and, honestly, there arestill debates over the
oversimplification of theeconomic history in America, and
recent history clearly showsthat the civil rights movement
was not an exclusively work ofBlack Americans making America a
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democracy.
I mean, honestly speaking,america was a democracy before
the civil rights movement.
It's just a better democracytoday for its American citizens.
So, wow, where am I going withthis?
The 1619 Project was effectivein doing what the serpent was
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effective in doing by beguilingEve.
That's from Genesis 3.
You can find that in 2Corinthians 11, verse 3.
Because what the serpent didwas cause Eve to doubt and
question what God had said bychanging details and perverting
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intended meanings of what Godsaid and the result, obviously
we all know, was the fall ofmankind.
Now, honestly, it's hyperbolicof me to think that the 1619
Project would have the sameramifications as the fall, but
it certainly had itsconsequences.
I mean, it was the foundational, one of the foundational
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pillars driving the upheavalthat we've been experiencing in
our society in America since2019 to the present, as it was
being promoted through thenation, through many educational
campuses.
Now, I wasn't there, I hadalready graduated, but I come to
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find out, looking back, that,oh wow, this 1619 project was
marketed through ouruniversities and our colleges,
and no wonder, you know, so manypeople are, you know, in an
uproar over things and sayingthings that are just, they're
not valid, they're not correct.
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By now, I would imagine many ofyou are wondering why is he
talking about all of this inthis podcast?
Well, again, it's just beenfinagling at me and I guess I
just had to sit down in thepresence of the Lord and figure
out what exactly is he want todraw out of me regarding this,
because I do recognize that thewiles of the enemy have not
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changed.
His purpose is only to here, tosteal, to kill, to destroy.
It doesn't matter whether he'soutrightly coming against the
children of God or he'sredirecting his tears of his
children to cause chaos andturmoil.
If some of those tares losetheir lives, trust me he cares
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not one bit.
They're just pawn pieces in acosmic match between the tares
that he has sown in the worldand Yahweh and the wheat that he
has sown in the world.
So in my mind, the 1619 Projectit's an example that
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corresponds to the garden, butfor the purposes of this podcast
, I'm using it as a parable, asa parallel for what I would have
liked to talk about in thispodcast.
Hence the title the 2819Project.
Now, the 2819 Project hasabsolutely nothing to do with
American history, but I seesimilarities and I recognize the
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work of the enemy in efforts tocause confusion and disarray in
the body of Christ.
Some of you listening may havesurmised already, based by the
title, that I'm probablyreferring to Matthew 28: 19.
And you would be correct.
This verse is popularly knownin the religious circles as the
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Great Commission and you may seethat as the title of that
section in many of your Bibles.
So let's take a moment If youhave the time, if you're
listening to this podcast Ialways encourage you if you're
not driving, because I know alot of you listen to podcasts
while you're driving here andthere but get out your Bibles.
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Use this time as a time ofBible study, as getting into the
presence of the Lord andconsidering his word and how it
affects us in our lives today.
So if we read Matthew 28, 18through 20, just to give a
little context, and not justread Matthew 28, 19.
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It says Now, if you're readingalong with me, in many of your
Bibles, you will notice thatmost of the text is in red
letters, signifying that it wasquoting Jesus.
Now, personally speaking, Idon't mind red letter edition
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Bibles.
I actually like them, buthaving red letter editions of
Bibles can be misleading.
Hmm, why do I say that?
Well, most Bible readers andstudiers, since the advent of
using red letter edition Bibles,have they just developed this
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sense that the red letters aremore holy or sacred than the
other black letter sections ofthe Bible?
That's just something that hasjust occurred.
I think if you talk to yourfriends or you start paying more
attention to it, you'll realizethat a lot of people do seem to
be doing that and what thatmeans is that they give the red
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letters greater weight orimportance than the rest of the
Bible.
Now, the reality is, if youthink about it, if you just step
back from that idea, theoverwhelming majority of the
Bible, even in the red lettereditions of the Bible, is in
black letters.
Now, depending upon the editionand the translation that you
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use, the red letters only amountto 10 to 15% of the Bible.
Only amount to 10 to 15% of theBible, which means you
mathematicians out there thatthe black letters is a majority,
85 to 90% of the letters andwords in the Bible.
Now, I would presume that theinitial reasons for coming up
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with a red-letter edition of aBible was not to make the rest
of the Bible of less importance.
I don't believe that was themotivation, but nevertheless,
red-letter edition Bibles havehad this unintended consequence.
We would do well to kind of beaware of that, because in order
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to combat that developed sensethat the red letters are more
important than the black letters, all we got to do is just
remind ourselves of thefollowing assertion that Paul,
the apostle of Jesus Christ,made in 2 Timothy 3.16.
Paul said all Scripture let merepeat that again before I
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continue with the reservoirs AllScripture is given by
inspiration of God and isprofitable for doctrine, for
reproof, for correction and forinstruction in righteousness.
All Scripture means all, notjust the red letters In our red
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letter Bibles.
This is important to come toterms with as I proceed with
what I would like to present toyou today.
Now, the thrust of this passageof Matthew 28, 19,.
It should be that, because allpower in heaven and earth has
been given to Jesus, therefore,that word therefore, is put in
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those words therefore, go makedisciples of all nations.
This is how the family ofbrothers and sisters will grow
through discipleship, throughsharing life with one another,
mentoring each other in this newlife that we find ourselves in
when we come into covenant withJesus.
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He's the Messiah, He's theChrist.
But the doctrine of baptism hasalso taken on almost the same
level of significance orimportance because of what was
recorded in this verse, and thisis where the controversy begins
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Chaos and turmoil.
So let's look at this together.
According to Matthew, Jesussaid to baptize.
Quote them in the name of theFather and of the Son and of the
Holy Spirit.
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The rise of compliance with theliteralness of this mandate
began not in the first century,not in the second century, not
in the 3rd century.
It began in the 4th century,most notably with those of the
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Roman Catholic faith.
The Roman Catholic Church isthe body that codified and
standardized this method ofbaptism.
God codified and standardizedthis method of baptism, meaning
in the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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and I'm sure that you've eitherknown Catholic friends or
neighbors or you've seen it inmovies or TV shows.
You know the very infamous putyour hand to the top of your
head with your fingers and touchyour head and come down to the
bottom of your torso and then goto the left and touch your
shoulder on the left and then goto the right and touch your
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shoulder on the right and thentake that finger and kiss with
your lips and let your hands goup and everybody's seen that In
the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Ghost
and you kiss and whatever.
I'm not making it up that itstarted in the 4th century.
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If you look at Roman Catholichistorical records, they
themselves attest to this factand I'm going to hit more on
that later, but I'm not going tosidetrack yet on that
perspective Because I admit weare forced to go outside the
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scriptures to confirm that thismethod definitely began in the
4th century.
In other words, we can't see itin the Scriptures.
In other words, it's not therein the Scriptures.
Now, if we assume that thesehistorical records of Roman
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Catholics are indeed correct,that this method of, in the name
of the Father, son and the HolyGhost, baptism did not start
officially, you know, on a widescale, until the 4th century,
then it begs the question howwere people being baptized
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before?
Now?
Some of you may be asking well,why would I ask that?
It's right there in the redletters of Matthew 28: 19.
And I would then respond well,this is where the red letters
can be misleading.
So, yes, Matthew recorded whatwe read.
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But when we search thescriptures to follow the very
same disciples that were sent byJesus to baptize all nations
the way Matthew recorded, wefind that none of them did it
the way Jesus said.
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You may not be aware of that.
You may have, just over time,just assumed that this was just
the standard way of doing it.
Why?
Because that's probably whatsome of us, many of us may have
been raised in to think that.
Oh well, I've always heard thatin church, every time I heard
the baptism, they always saythat In the name of the Father,
son and the Holy Ghost, I nowbaptize you and then they, you
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know, put them on the water.
And so we never really thoughtanything of it.
But if you slow down and youverify the traditions that
you've been raised in, you mightbe surprised.
So follow me as I follow thisscriptural crumb trail and allow
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the scriptures to answer thisquestion for us.
What's the question again, howwere people being baptized
before the standard practice ofin the name of the Father and of
the Son and of the Holy Spirit?
Now, first I would like to lookat the parallel passages of the
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Matthew 28 event.
What are parallel passages, Jay?
Okay, parallel passages areother places in the scripture
that describe or share the sameevent, for instance, the baptism
of Jesus, event that wasrecorded by three disciples
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Matthew, Mark and Luke.
They all record the same eventfrom their perspective.
So if you read Matthew'saccount and you read Mark's Mark
and Luke they all record thesame event from their
perspective.
So if you read Matthew'saccount and you read Mark's
account and you read Luke'saccount, you would all agree
that they're all talking aboutthe same event, but they all
have different details that werehighlighted, or maybe they did
describe it happening in acertain way.
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That may be slightly differentbecause it's another man's
perspective than the otherperson, and it might be slightly
different than the thirdperson's perspective because
they're all different people.
Well, the same can be said forthe event of Matthew 28.
This event was just to give youa better understanding of when
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this event took place.
It was definitely after Jesusresurrected and definitely
before his ascension.
Okay, so that's where thisMatthew 28 event transpired.
After his resurrection, beforehis ascension.
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I tend to think it was beforehe ascended, like very, very
soon before he ascended, buttechnically speaking, after his
resurrection and before theascension.
We're talking about 40 daysthat Jesus was ministering to
his disciples before he ascendedinto heaven.
So it could have been anywherewithin that time, but the point
is that Matthew, Mark and Lukeall summarized the ending
message of Jesus to thedisciples before he ascended.
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Whether it happened over a40-day period or it happened
like within the day that heascended.
I don't think that's really theissue, but they all seem to be
describing what Jesus wantedthem to do.
And so if we read Mark'saccount in chapter 16, verses 15
through 18, we would see itsaid in the following manner and
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he said to them, meaning Jesus,go into all the world and
preach the gospel to everycreature.
He who believes and is baptizedwill be saved, but he who does
not believe will be condemned.
And these signs will followthose who believe In my name.
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They will cast out demons, theywill speak with new tongues,
they will take up serpents andif they drink anything deadly,
it will by no means hurt them.
They will lay hands on the sickand they will recover.
If you've been reading what Ijust read with me in your Bibles
, you would notice, I would sayvirtually all of those letters
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are in red, except for And Hesaid to them.
You know five words.
Everything else is in red afterthat, and it's just like
Matthew's record in the RedLetter Edition, but the phrase
in the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Spirit
is nowhere to be found.
It does, however, have thephrase in my name, and so that's
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interesting to note.
So we've got the word go.
I believe Matthew said to allthe nations, and in Mark he said
to all the world so same idea,same concept, not a big deal.
Okay, they're using their ownwords and some of our words can
be synonymous with anotherperson's words, so that's not a
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big deal.
It talks about being baptized,but it didn't say oh, we have to
say in the name of the Father,son and the Holy Ghost.
It just says he who believesand is baptized will be saved.
And then it says, in my name,they're going to do these, these
, these things of casting outdemons, speaking with new
tongues, taking up sorpents, andif they drink anything deadly
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it's not going to hurt them andthey're going to lay hands on
the sick and they're going toget healed.
So there are some that they'reuntaught.
The scripture says, or they'reunstable, and these are the
people that are going to twistthe scriptures to their own
destruction.
It says, and they're going touse this scripture Mark 16,
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comparing it with Mark 28,.
And they're going to say yousee, this is evidence that God's
word contains errors andcontradictions and it's not
valid for adhering one's life toits doctrine.
In other words, it's a flaweddocument, it's not to be trusted
.
There are some that do that,they do that often.
And then there's some novicereaders of the Bible that they
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wouldn't even recognize thedifference.
It'd be just, oh okay, it's thesame idea, and they probably
wouldn't even be comparing,because you know, when we
compare and contrast you'retalking about a different level,
a higher level of reader whenwe start comparing and
contrasting, because we have abetter grasp of the scriptures.
So novice readers might notrecognize this.
More developed readers mightcatch that and say, oh, that's
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interesting, he didn't quite sayit the same way.
And then their more maturereaders will recognize it and
they'll begin to search it outLike it's a ooh, that's
interesting, I want to know why,and it's like a valuable
treasure to them.
And so they'll search out thematter for understanding and
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clarification, which is,incidentally, what we're doing
now.
So the next parallel passage maynot be the same event, but it's
definitely within the same timeperiod, time period between his
resurrection and his ascension,and that's in Luke, chapter 24,
verses 46 through 49.
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First five words are blackletters.
Then he said to them and theneverything else is red.
Okay, Jesus said Thus.
It is written thus it wasnecessary for Christ to suffer
and to rise from the dead thethird day, and that repentance
and remission of sins should bepreached.
And you are witnesses of thesethings.
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I send the promise of my Fatherupon you, but tarry in the city
of Jerusalem until you areendued with power from on high.
So here we see the phrase inhis name to all nations.
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So now we're not just comparingand contrasting two
perspectives, we're comparingand contrasting three verses of
Scripture.
So if you're just listening andtaking it all in, you might have
a hard time trying to do whatI'm doing right now because you
don't concretely see it.
So I recommend doing your ownstudy to you know, when you get
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time and you're not driving andyou're sitting down and you can
open up the pages to Matthew 28.
Open up the pages to Mark.
Open up the pages to Matthew 28.
Open up the pages to Mark, openup the pages to Luke, and just
flip the pages back and forthand start seeing the minute
differences on your own.
And I'm just going to summarizeit for you here.
The record of Matthew and Markseem to be clearly the same
event.
But let's go ahead andsummarize.
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What do we see in common inthese what I call parallel
passages?
Except for Luke, they share theword go, all right, matthew,
mark say go.
Luke didn't say go, but allthree, in their own way, seem to
be summarizing the last wordsof direction of Jesus before he
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ascended.
I don't think that's too far ofa stretch.
I don't think we're stretchinganything.
I think we could all read thoseand generally agree that.
Hmm, yeah, it does seem likethat's what he said before he
ascended and before he left andwhat he wanted them to do.
So the ideas of all threepassages, the themes, the
concepts, they're found in allthree, but clearly not the
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phrase in the name of the Fatherand of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit.
We all can see that.
It's explicit, it'sself-evident.
Now two of them use the phrasein my name or in his name.
Okay, so they all record thesynonymous phrases to all
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nations or to all the world.
Meaning, you know basically thesame go to all the peoples.
And so clearly they all have acommon emphasis of the name my
name, and in his name and in hisname.
Now, in the Greek, this word,in these particular instances,
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in these particular places, isalways singular, it's never
plural.
This is also important toacknowledge and to keep in mind,
and I think what we should getout of it as we look at all
three is man.
The name must be very important.
Whatever that name is, it mustbe incredibly important because
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they're all talking about thename my name in his name.
So let's continue, but before Ido, let me preface what I'm
about to say, the followinginformation I want you to what
I'm about to say, the followinginformation I want you to two
caveats.
Okay, keep these two caveats inmind.
Luke, obviously, was written by, or the Gospel of Luke was
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written by, Luke.
That's what I wanted to say.
But know this, in case you'renot aware, that there's another
letter that Luke wrote, and hewrote it to a man named
Theophilus and he wanted torecount to Theophilus how this
movement, if you will, cameabout, this Jesus movement.
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And he wrote, Luke wrote theGospel of Luke, and thereafter
he followed it with the Acts,which is a letter to Theophilus.
Okay, so I want you to keepthat in mind.
That caveat, okay.
Number two, and I just have tosay this plainly, and you can
verify it for yourself, you canresearch it for yourself.
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I have no quibbles or qualmswith making this statement,
because it's scripturally true.
There is no scriptural evidencethat demonstrates that the
disciples who turned apostlesbaptized anyone decreeing in the
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name of the Father and of theSon and of the Holy Spirit.
Just sit back and take that in.
There is no scriptural evidencethat any of the apostles
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul,Barnabas, Saul I'm naming other
characters in the first centurythat were prominent James, the
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sons of Zebedee, Andrew none ofthem, nobody, nobody.
There's no evidence.
These points are important tonote because Acts continues the
record and the story, if youwill, the account where the
Gospel of Luke left off andended.
If you read them back to backwhich is probably the best way
to do it because it's the sameauthor he is giving you the
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Gospel of Jesus for Luke andthen he's kind of giving you,
you know, the Acts of the HolySpirit through his apostles in
the letter of Acts.
So if the disciples didn'tleave any evidence that they
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said what Jesus said in Matthew28: 19, then that begs a further
question what then did they say?
So I want to share with you thefollowing are the biblical
testimonies of New CovenantBaptism.
These are the scriptures thatwe will now consider In Acts,
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chapter 2:38, the firstopportunity that the disciples
had to adhere to the words thatJesus used, that were recorded
by Matthew in Matthew 28 (37:48):
19.
The first opportunity is righthere in Acts 2:38.
Peter said to them repent andlet every one of you be baptized
in the name of Jesus Christ forthe remission of sins, and you
shall receive the gift of theHoly Ghost or the Holy Spirit.
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Hmm, wow, well, that Jesus, Imean Paul, I'm going through all
of them, Paul, not what am Isaying, Peter?
Oh, my goodness, Peter did notsay what Jesus said in Matthew
28:19.
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I mean, that's obvious, it'sclear.
I don't have to say much moreabout it, I just want to
highlight it.
Okay, the next opportunity thatwe have of recorded event that
shares with us what happened wasActs, chapter 8, verse 16.
It says For, as yet, he hadfallen upon none of them.
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They had only been baptized inthe name of the Lord Jesus.
Well, that is a repetition ofwhat Peter said they needed to
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do For those that were listeningon the day of Pentecost.
Okay, the next record is Acts,chapter 10, verse 47 to 48.
Peter is preaching the gospel tothe house of Cornelius and he
says because they had just allreceived the gift of the Holy
Ghost.
And how did they know that?
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Because they all began to speakin tongues as the Spirit gave
utterance, just as happened tothe disciples on the day of
Pentecost.
Peter says Can anyone forbidwater?
That these here should not bebaptized, who have received the
Holy Spirit, just as we have?
And he commanded them to bebaptized in the name of the Lord
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.
Well, that's not surprising.
I mean, you got the actual sameperson, peter, saying the same
thing.
He said the first opportunityhe had to baptize someone.
He's just reiterating himself.
But then we have anothertestimony Acts, chapter 19.
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Now Paul was ministering tosome apparent disciples and
after some conversation withthem, he ended up laying hands
on them.
They received the gift of theHoly Ghost and they spoke in
tongues.
And then it says this and whenthey heard this, they were
baptized in the name of the LordJesus.
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So we got Peter telling us tobaptize in the name of the Lord
Jesus.
We have Acts, chapter 8 is whenStephen went to minister the
gospel of the kingdom to theSamaritans.
They were baptized in the nameof the Lord Jesus.
Peter preaches the gospel toCornelius the Gentiles, and they
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were baptized in the name ofthe Lord Jesus.
And Paul remember thepersecutor, the one that was
committing murder against thesaints of the Most High.
He had been converted, he hadbeen born again, he had turned
his life over to Jesus and hebegan to serve him.
He also baptized in the name ofthe Lord Jesus.
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In the book of Acts, which is aletter written by Luke, one of
the original disciples of theLord Jesus that became an
apostle Hmm, very interesting.
I'm going to be honest with you.
These are the only biblicaltestimonies that I could share
with you.
If there were others, I wouldshare with you.
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I'm not afraid to share thescriptures and show all the
different testimonies, but thereare none.
So, for those who emphasize thered letters over the black
letters of the Bible, they'restuck in a dilemma and a
quandary.
You see, will you take all ofthe evidence into account,
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meaning the red letters and theblack letters, or will you be
the one who twists thescriptures to your own
destruction because you can'tunderstand?
Or are you going to hold toyour traditions and you're going
to pit sections of the word ofGod against other sections of
the word of God, hence puttingred letters versus the black
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letters.
This is what others who areuntaught in the Scriptures do,
but they say it in a differentway.
They take it a step further andthey have the audacity to put
Jesus against his own disciples.
That's what that?
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That essentially.
When we put the red lettersagainst the black letters,
saying that no, no, no, we'regoing to stick to the red
letters because that's exactlywhat Jesus says, that was a
quotation of Jesus, and then weput them against the black
letters and we make theminferior to the red letters,
well, that's what we're doing.
We're putting Jesus against hisdisciples, because all the
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black letters that are found inthe Bible are written by his
disciples and his prophets.
Clearly, the disciples did notquote Jesus and say what Jesus
reportedly said in Matthew.
They didn't.
What we can all agree on isthat it is clear that they did
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what he said to do, because noapostles, in any of the
testimonies that I've shared,corrected each other.
No disciples.
Apostles corrected each otherwhen they baptized in the name
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of the Lord Jesus.
That's important to recognize.
Another important thing torecognize is that neither did
Jesus correct them.
Now remember, the main point ofMatthew 28: 19 was not how
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someone should get baptized.
The context is hey, since allpower in heaven and earth is
given to me, I want you to goand make disciples of all
nations.
That's really the main thrustof all of those three parallel
passages that I gave you fromMatthew, Mark, and Luke.
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Go and make disciples threeparallel passages that I gave
you from Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
Go and make disciples.
But what I call the 2819 Projectis obfuscating the issue,
because the 2819 Project, itseeks to reframe history by
focusing on a peripheral issueand perverting its intended
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meaning of what followed,similar to what the serpent did
to Eve in the Garden of Eden,similar to what the 1619 Project
tried to do with Americanhistory.
This is what the 2819 Projecthas caused that we should
question the Word of God, weshould pit the red letters
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versus the black letters, andnow we have chaos and turmoil
and people are left in Babel.
They're left in confusion.
They don't know what to think.
They don't know what to believe.
They don't know what to think.
They don't know what to believe.
They don't know what to adhereto.
So let me see if I may be ofsome service to you, if you were
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