February 26, 2025 • 47 mins
This Our Father's Heart podcast episode features an interview with Scott and Alycia Lovingier, a couple who share their testimony of faith and how God brought them together.
Scott recounts his upbringing outside the church, his initial interest in exploring various religions, and the pivotal moment when he sought guidance from Alycia's family, leading to a powerful spiritual awakening. Alycia details her own "rebellious" phase, during which she resisted Scott's initial advances despite a mutual attraction, as she focused on her own faith journey.
God intervened in unexpected ways, with multiple supernatural elements, including prophetic dreams, a deliverance experience, and a specific message to Scott. The couple's story highlights how God can transform lives and orchestrate relationships in surprising and divinely appointed ways, even when met with resistance and doubt. Their testimony underscores the power of faith, the importance of spiritual mentorship, and the transformative impact of encountering God's presence.
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j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:03):
The vision received was that of blood cells
traveling throughout the body,supplying the much needed oxygen
and other nutrients to thediffering members of the body to
fulfill their purpose.
Once the blood cells are spent,they must return back to the
heart to be refilled beforebeing sent out again and fulfill
their purpose and fulfill theirpurpose.
(00:26):
Well, hello, faithful listenersof Our Father's Heart.
I kind of feel like I aminterrupting your regularly
scheduled programming for thisannouncement.
It's kind of odd because I amright now in the process of
getting together this particularpodcast that you're about to
(00:47):
listen to, called the LovingerTestimony, and I just felt like
jumping in to tell you that lastnight as I started to gather
together the material.
I thought I lost it.
I was internally freaking out.
(01:08):
I thought I lost this whole twohour and 40 minute session that
I had with the Lovinger familyand I was trying to do a few
things at one time, but I couldnot find this file.
And when I did this podcast, Idid it upstairs in the living
(01:32):
room.
I did it on the laptop a laptopthat I just got last year, that
I prepared to just be able touse it kind of on the fly so I
wouldn't have to be at my maincomputer doing the podcast, like
I'm doing this little introright now.
And I came back to it becausewe did it last week.
I came back to it to try tolook for it and I couldn't find
(01:53):
it.
I was and I had to do someother things.
So I went and did the otherthings that I knew I could do so
that I can accomplish something.
And when I finished all of that, I came back and I started
searching, searching, searchingand I could not find it on the
laptop.
It was gone.
(02:13):
It wasn't in the deleted items,it wasn't in the recycle bin,
it just wasn't there.
It literally was not on mylaptop.
Now, the reason why it wasn'ton my laptop is because I'm just
recently turned 50 years oldand I know that I myself have
(02:34):
weaknesses, and what I tried todo to compensate for those
weaknesses is I tried to dealwith things as immediate as I
can, because there might be somany things going on in my life
that I'll get sidetracked andthen I'll forget to do something
.
So I preemptively do things inadvance so that I don't forget
(02:55):
later on, you know, to dosomething or to get something
accomplished.
Well, that's what I did.
After I had the podcast session,I dealt with the audio file and
I, you know, did some editingand then I saved it on my
downstairs main computer and Icompletely forgot.
(03:18):
But I did that because I didn'twant to lose it on the laptop
and something to happen.
So I just wanted to make surethat I took care of it
immediately and put it in a safeplace where nothing should
happen, and I totally, totallyforgot about it.
So a week later, I am trying towork on it.
We had the session on Sunday,I'm working on it on Friday and
I can't find the file and I'mtotally about to lose it.
(03:40):
But I'm doing this, you know,on the couch and my wife is over
there watching something and Ijust I said, oh Lord, help me
find this file.
So I remotely tapped into mycomputer downstairs and I said
I've got nothing to lose, I'mnot finding it on the laptop,
let me just search thedownstairs computer because I
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have no idea.
And literally I just completelyforgot that.
I worked on the audio file andwent and saved it downstairs.
So thank God I found it.
I was so relieved you guys donot know how relieved I was I
felt like I might have cried ifI had not found it, because you
put a lot of effort, you put alot of work into something and
(04:24):
then all of a sudden, in amoment it seems like everything
is lost and you're at a loss asto what you did, what happened
to it.
But just, oh, praise God, Ifound it.
So I just wanted to interjectthat and just kind of give you a
little side story before youget into the testimony.
But I did want to make one morepoint of mention, as I'm working
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on the podcast and thinkingabout all the things that were
exchanged.
I love the testimony, I trulydo, and I realized that a
testimony is not really atestimony if everything in the
testimony is perfect.
What do I mean by that?
The testimony that the LordJesus works out in our lives is
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so powerful, it's so anointed,it's so potent Because of the
imperfectness of our experience,the sin, the dumb decisions,
the bad moves, the wrong turnsthat we took.
(05:34):
It all is made powerful becauseGod intervened in the situation
and he brought about somethinggood out of the imperfect
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situation that we lived in, thatwe experienced in.
And I want to remind everyoneof that because, because some of
you, by the end of this podcast, might listen to it and sit
back and consider everythingthat was shared and you might
develop some sort of maybeattitude or maybe a critical
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spirit and say, but what aboutthis, but what about this, but
what about that?
And I would say to you, ifthat's your response to this
testimony, when it's all saidand done, I would ask you to
consider all of the testimoniesin the Bible.
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All of the testimonies in theBible are about imperfect people
living through and experiencingbad, wicked, evil, corrupt
situations, sometimes of theirown doing and sometimes not, but
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I would say 100% of the time.
Most of the bad experiencesthat we have read through in the
scriptures that are testimoniesof the patriarchs and the
patriarchs' wives and the womenare because of sin, things that
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we did, and they ended upreaping the consequences of
those sins.
And that's for everyone, that'sliterally for everyone.
So for those of you that might,at the end of this podcast,
think, but what about this thingthat they did or that thing
that they did?
Hey, everyone in the scriptureshave, you can say that and you
can be critical about you knowthe decisions that they made and
(07:54):
be, all you know, lofty withyourself, like you know, because
something that I learned very,very young or very, very early
on in my life and I think I gotkind of a little bit arrogant
about it is that you can'texpect someone to do what you
would have done in theirsituation, because we always
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look at other people's lives andthink, oh gosh, I would have
never done that, I would havenever done this, and that you
don't know really what you woulddo or what you would not do
until you're actually in thesituation.
We all have these flights offancies about ourselves,
envisioning that we would alwaysmake the right decision, the
(08:38):
wise decision, the correctdecision.
But be honest with yourself.
You're not perfect and neitheram I.
And the last thing that we needis to start talking about
somebody's plank in their eye ortoothpick in their eye and we
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have a plank in ours.
So I want you to listen to thispodcast and I want you to
discern all that God did in hisintervention in this family's
life to bring about blessing,goodness, prosperity and honor.
(09:19):
And then think about what Jesussaid when they brought the
woman caught in adultery to him.
What did he say?
He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her
(09:45):
first.
And by the time you're donelistening to this whole podcast,
you will realize to God be theglory.
No matter what the situationswere, he was able to redeem what
transpired in the past to bringabout something good.
(10:08):
Hello everyone, thank you forjoining us today on this special
episode of our.
Father's Heart podcast.
This is one of those specialones where if you've been
listening for any amount of time, you know that it's usually
you're just listening to me,your host Jay, giving a teaching
of some kind that he's done inthe past and just wanting to
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share it with the world in thehopes that it might, you know,
spread out the seed everywhereand let the seed fall where it
may, and hopefully it'll fallinto a good soil and someone
will respond to it in somefashion.
Whether I know about it or not,it doesn't matter to me, but
just the fact that God will useit to reach someone's heart.
But this is a special podcastbecause I normally teach or
(10:53):
release episodes in that way,but this particular episode I'm
going to be having a discussionand a live conversation.
I've done that a couple timesbefore.
Those of you that are listeningor have not listened, you might
want to check out what was theprevious one we did with Elder
Strange and Marie Strange Lifein the Supernatural.
(11:13):
There we go.
That was the other one.
That was a series.
I can't remember how many partsright now, but you might want
to check that out because thatwas an incredible series to hear
the life of an octogenarian andhis wife and how they, you know
, live through all of thoseyears as you know, born again,
spirit-filled, baptized inJesus' name, christians and all
(11:37):
of the changes that they wentthrough.
But it was really about themiracles that they experienced
in their life.
And then another one that we didwas we went from the
octogenarians we went down tothe youth and we addressed some
of the issues that the youthwere dealing with.
I think that was about twoyears ago, based upon some
(11:57):
questions that my daughter wasgiving me regarding her
generation and the things thatthey were asking and stuff.
So you might want to check thatone out.
Do you remember the title ofthat one?
Patricia Ruiz (12:09):
I don't.
It was with Amber and Malachi.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (12:13):
Yeah, we had Amber and Malachi, and Lydia was
a part of it as well.
That's our daughter and I'mgoing to find it right now
because that's another good oneif you want to listen to a live
conversation between me andothers.
But today, oh, topics for youngadults.
(12:36):
That was an eight-part series.
We talked about a lot ofdifferent things there.
That was a long hours and I hadto break that up.
So today might be the samething.
I don't know if it's going tolast as long.
That'll be up to our guest.
Here we have Scott and his wife, Alicia Lovinger.
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We've gotten to know them overthe last few years because they
began to attend our church.
They come from the liberalstate of California and they
came here and they escaped theclutches and we're glad to have
them here.
Scott Lovingier (13:12):
So if you guys want to say hi, Hi, yeah, I
think pastor today called meCalifornia boy.
Oh, he did.
Okay, we're hoping this isgoing to be five-part series, by
the way, oh okay.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (13:25):
Well, it'll be dependent upon how verbose
you are.
How much do you put on?
Okay, so we're going to getstarted.
My wife is here as well and I'dlike to introduce you to this
family, because I think theyhave a tremendous testimony and
they revealed some of it at arecent Sunday engagement.
I believe Scott was teachingthat Sunday right and was just
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opening up his heart and I said,wow, there's a lot there, and
I'm the type of person thatbelieves that the spirit of
Jesus in one's life or thetestimony of Jesus in one life
is a prophetic testimony or aprophetic spirit.
Scott Lovingier (14:05):
Yeah, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit
of prophecy.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (14:08):
Right, right.
And I wanted to give you guysthe opportunity to allow the
Lord to use the testimony thathe's done in your life to
hopefully impact others.
And the scripture that alwayscomes to mind when I think about
this is 2 Corinthians 1.4.
It says, talking about our Godand Father, the Lord Jesus
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Christ, that he is the Father ofmercies, he's the God of all
comfort.
He says he comforts us in ourtribulation so that we may be
able to comfort others or thosewho are in that trouble that we
went through.
That God comforted us andmeaning he got us through it, he
took us through that Red Sea,that terrible time, and then we
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begin to comfort others with thesame comfort that he comforted
us with.
And so that's the whole.
That's my foundation, littleprinciple of why I want to share
you guys with the world.
So let's start with the head ofthe house.
Brother Scott, you came fromCalifornia, but I don't think
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you were born there.
Scott Lovingier (15:15):
Oh, I was.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:16):
Oh, you were.
Scott Lovingier (15:16):
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:17):
Okay, I thought for some reason you were
in the middle of the countrybecause you were born in
California.
Scott Lovingier (15:23):
Tell us about yourself yourself, like kind of
introduce yourself um well,sorry, there's just a bug
crawling in behind you for asecond well, that will not
bother any one of us.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:37):
Thank God my daughter's not here, so that's
cool, that, hey, that's reallife fellas.
This is not for real, butanyway, see it's all right.
It's all right.
No, it's not.
If I find it, I'll get it.
Okay, you get it.
Scott Lovingier (15:56):
So, brother Scott, go ahead and introduce
yourself, okay so wow, where doI start?
I'm going to be turning 42.
Okay, born and raised inCalifornia, in Northern
California, so just outside theBay Area, was not raised in
church, okay, so both of myparents came from a Seventh-day
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Adventist background.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (16:22):
Oh, you guys have got to be here to get all
this.
I am not editing this, okay.
Oh my God, not the book.
There you go.
Just let it inside.
That's good, just let it inside, all right.
So to fill you all in becauseyou can't see what's going on,
(16:43):
we had a bug crawling down thewall and my wife went to the
rescue and brought in the uhraid and just, uh, sprayed it
all up and down.
So, yeah, okay, she rained downon him, all right, uh, so you
were raised in California, uppernorthern California, um, but I,
(17:03):
I don't hear you having youhaving that surfer kind of talk.
So you're not a surfer.
That's Southern California.
Oh, southern, you were Northern.
Scott Lovingier (17:11):
Yeah, that's a big difference.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:12):
Okay, yeah, so Go ahead, I mean.
Okay, okay, so you were raisedin Northern California, Alycia,
were you in California too?
Yep, born and raised.
Alycia Lovingier (17:24):
You were raised, yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:26):
Oh, you both.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, for some reason I thoughtyou were in different places.
Okay, so were you raised in thesame Northern California area?
Scott Lovingier (17:33):
Yeah, I went to the same high school.
I'm five years older, so Ididn't go to school with her.
Oh, so we grew up in the same mybrother.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:48):
That's how I met her okay um, he hooked you
up well, not really.
Scott Lovingier (17:50):
No, not really.
Was he ever interested likefourth grade?
Alycia Lovingier (17:54):
way back, yeah okay yeah, that's when we were
pretty much.
We went from fourth grade upthrough all of high school
together with his brother, sohis brother and I were like the
same age oh, okay um, I didn'tactually know he existed until
high school.
Um, yeah, I don't even think Imet him until after your brother
went to college I think I metyou when you were 19, yeah so I
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didn't like I heard about him,but I never actually met him
okay, so you met her as a highschool senior no, she was, I
already graduated.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (18:23):
Oh, you already graduated, yeah okay,
but you didn't know her frombefore, when your brother I
think I knew the name okay, butI never met her like that
interesting.
Okay, all right.
So then how did you endwhat's the
Scott Lovingier (18:37):
Just, I think, as my brother became, you know,
an adult and then I, just Imoved back home and, um, you
know, I started hanging out withhim and his group of friends
occasionally and um, so I wasn'tin church, she was maybe going
through a little bit of arebellious spirit, uh period.
So we met at a party, um, andthat was, uh, the first time we
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met.
I hope that's okay if I saidthat that's fine.
Alycia Lovingier (19:07):
that you were allowed to go to.
I was still in the party.
It was a party at his house.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:10):
Well, no, but you were you allowed to go to
this no?
Oh no, you've met her mom
Alycia Lovingier (19:14):
right?
I have.
That's why I'm wondering no,Born and raised in church.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:19):
So you were still living with your parents.
Alycia Lovingier (19:21):
Yeah, I lived with my parents up until we got
married.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:24):
Was this one of those you snuck out the
window, type of thing?
No, they knew I was going outhanging out with friends Because
it's sensational the context ofthe situation.
Okay, yeah, okay.
So you met at this party,
Scott Lovingier (19:37):
met at this party I mean nothing.
I mean it was just a party.
I mean obviously I looked herand was like, wow she's really
cute.
yeah, and then I would justkind of turn into a friendship
after that.
So we kind of became friends.
I started our groups, just kindof intermingled with my group
my friend group and my brother'sfriend group, and my brother's
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off at college, so he wasn'teven there out kind of dated,
but not really dated because shewas like one foot in the church
, one foot kind of you knowexperiencing the world a little
bit uh-huh, not really a lot.
You know some people like fullygo experience the world.
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She didn't do that.
She was, like, you know, stillgoing to church, not really
doing the things of the worldthat I was doing as a
non-believer, but it dated alittle bit.
It didn't really work outbecause I wasn't in church and
that was not going to fly withher and her family.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (20:43):
So she had some requirements that you
weren't meeting at the time, soit didn't work out.
Alycia Lovingier (20:46):
It wasn't like she told me these are my
requirements.
I think, ultimately, I knewthis phase I was going through
was a phase.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (20:53):
You knew that inside.
Alycia Lovingier (20:54):
Yeah, I knew inside this was not going to be
like a permanent lifestyle.
I knew that and I always knewthat even if I wasn't like fully
in church, I was still going tochurch.
Well, for one, because I had nochoice.
I lived with my parents, but Ialways knew that there's only
going to be a certain, there'sonly a relationship.
That was so far, because I knewhe wasn't in church and that
was still a non-negotiable forme, like I was still never going
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to give up.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (21:18):
Did you know you tried this relationship
we did, we did.
I don't think he really knew.
But did your parents know that you tried to
attempt this relationship
Alycia Lovingier (21:27):
kind of They knew that we were like
talking, kind of hanging out.
I don't think they knew, I meanI don't know how serious.
It wasn't like super seriousOkay, because I was definitely
younger, I was going throughkind of a different phase in my
life.
But yeah, ultimately, like Iknew, it wasn't really going to
get very far because I was neverwilling to give up God and
church, even if I was goingthrough this little rebellious
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phase that I was going through.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (21:50):
So one of the interesting things that I just
picked up on is that youimmediately told me, or you told
all of us, you told the wholeaudience.
Your first impression was oh,she's cute.
Scott Lovingier (21:59):
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:00):
And I kind of know your testimony.
What was your first impressionof him?
Alycia Lovingier (22:05):
I'm trying to remember, like the first time I
saw him.
I remember going over becausethe party was at his parents'
house.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:11):
Okay.
Alycia Lovingier (22:12):
And so I'd been to that house multiple
times because I knew his brother.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:14):
Okay.
Alycia Lovingier (22:16):
But I never.
I think it was the first time Ieven met him.
I mean, I thought he was cute.
He had a couple of his collegefriends there too, so I was kind
of just hanging out with him aswell.
Just kind of didn't really likekind of just getting to know
people.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:27):
So you did think it was cute.
Alycia Lovingier (22:29):
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:29):
Okay, so there was a mutual physical
attractiveness that you both hadtoward each other.
Alycia Lovingier (22:36):
But nothing, you know Nothing.
Serious, super serious came ofit.
Scott Lovingier (22:40):
She didn't flirt with you, kind of she's
not a flirt.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:44):
Yeah, I've never been that type of yeah,
but you both paused there andyou thought about it.
Scott Lovingier (22:49):
Well, because we did kind of date, we did yeah
we, you both paused there andyou thought about it.
Alycia Lovingier (22:52):
Well, because we did kind of date.
I mean, we did, yeah, we did.
Scott Lovingier (22:53):
We went out and did movies and stuff like that,
but we wouldn't have said thisis my girlfriend?
Alycia Lovingier (22:56):
Yeah, we were never talking about it.
We were in a relationship ohokay.
Yeah, it was never seriousenough.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:00):
So dating just to hang out and spend a
good time In our groups offriends inter.
Okay, so you were always inchurch, always, always in church
.
What made you go into thislittle season of rebellious
phase?
What was that all about?
Alycia Lovingier (23:16):
I was 19, and I think I was tired of living at
home and I never really thoughtabout why I went through that
phase Because people I hadfriends who were not really like
they would go go to church, soto speak.
Like they say they're christian, um, but definitely not lead
the lifestyle of a christian,and so someone might come by
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association.
I was hanging out with them andthen that's actually how we got
invited over to his house, wasmy friend got invited and she
said hey, we're going over to,uh, his brother's name is matt
we're going to matt's brother'shouse or matt's house to hang
out with some friends and hisolder brother.
So it was kind of by association.
I kind of got in this kind ofgroup of friends.
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Also the only one that kind ofwas really going to church.
If that makes sense, yeah, likeseriously going to church.
But yeah, it kind of just fellinto that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (24:11):
So you tried early on.
But yeah, it kind of just fellinto that.
So you tried early on but hewasn't.
He was still in the world.
Scott Lovingier (24:18):
He had no interest.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (24:19):
How did that change.
Scott Lovingier (24:20):
Okay.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (24:21):
So that's, that's that's a full story.
Scott Lovingier (24:24):
So she I mean she never talked to me about
church at all.
I knew her family was religious.
I knew they were a differenttype of religious than my other
Cause I mean I had Christianfriends growing up and we all
did the same stuff, like youknow, it was no different but
she, I knew her and her familywere different but she never
talked to me about that at all.
Um, I always, just in life, hada fascination with world
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religions, so I just wanted toknow what all religions said.
Um, and I mean, it could onlyhave been the Holy spirit to
just bubble this up at thispoint in my life, of pushing me
to sit to look.
Okay, what does this, the Biblesay?
Cause I had no idea what theBible said, other than just
maybe just the basic children'sstories that you might hear,
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cause I never, I didn't go tochurch other than just a handful
of times like my grandmabrought me a couple times or a
couple ex-girlfriends, you know,drug me to catholic churches
and and so that was basically myextent to knowing what the bible
and what church was about.
Um, so I just kind of had thisthought and this feeling like,
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well, just read the bible andjust see what it says, and then,
after I'm done with that, I'mgoing to go read the Quran, I'm
going to go study, you know,buddhist.
That was just kind of mythoughts.
So I went to Alycia, because Iknew she was different, you know
, and I was like, can you helpme pick out a Bible?
(25:50):
Because I didn't know how topick out a Bible.
I didn't want to get the wrongbible, I didn't.
I had no idea what that evenmeant to pick out a bible.
I thought there, I mean,obviously there's different
translations, but I thought youcould get like a wrong bible or
something.
So, um, she didn't really saymuch.
But then, maybe a week or twolater, um, her and her mom
presented me with a Bible.
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They bought me one, they got myname engraved on it.
It's a new King James version.
It's actually the one I'm usingat church at the moment.
I just kind of pulled it offthe shelf.
I'm like I want to go back tomy roots.
Alycia Lovingier (26:25):
Do you remember that time?
I remember I didn'tspecifically pick it out I
remember talking to my mom aboutit, Like oh, hey, he asked for
the.
Bible Kind of like nonchalantly.
Hey he wanted a Bible.
You know, can you help me pickout one type thing?
Okay, that was kind of it.
My mom was the one that went andpicked up the Bible and got it
engraved.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (26:44):
So at that time you were really interested
in reaching him for Christ.
Alycia Lovingier (26:52):
I've never been that person.
That's the one that's like hey,let me tell you about Jesus,
like that's never been mypersonality.
I'm very introverted.
People ask me I'll talk aboutit Like I have no shame in
talking about it.
But I'm not one that's going tobe like here, take a Bible, you
know that's just, that's not me.
So I got to stop giving youcredit for that story Um but
yeah, I mean, I just had my momlike hey, mom, can you pick out
picking a bible?
And she picked it out, got itengraved, and then I don't
(27:13):
actually remember physicallygiving it to you, like I don't
remember that how that allplayed out.
Scott Lovingier (27:17):
But I don't remember either, maybe she did
but, you kept it the whole time?
oh yeah, because you know, then she gave
it.
I'm gonna say your mom gave itto, not you, apparently.
She gave me the bible and um,and you know very slyly, it was
like oh, by the way, we have aBible study if you'd like to
attend, and it's the Search forTruth Bible study, it's the one
(27:41):
we're doing at church right nowfor our Sunday school.
And I just had a couplerequirements.
I said don't preach to me, Idon't want you to preach to me,
I only want to know what theword says.
Don't preach to me, I don'twant.
I don't want you to preach tome, I just want, I only want to
know what the word says.
Don't preach to me.
And number two don't ask me togo to church, because I'm not
going to church, I think thoseare my two requirements.
I'll go to your bible study, butnothing else.
(28:03):
And you said that straight upto her parents.
Oh, yeah, I was very blunt,
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (28:05):
was she?
Were you witness to ?
I don't remember.
She wasn't definitely wrong,definitely Um cause that's.
That'll be the second part ofthe story then.
Okay.
Scott Lovingier (28:14):
Uh of how she felt about me.
Um and so, uh, yeah, I, Iagreed to go to the Bible study
and, um, it was definitely weekthree of the Bible study, her
dad was teaching.
It was at their house, weekthree, the Bible study, her dad
was teaching.
He was at their house.
Week three, her dad's out oftown.
And they said the pastor iscoming to teach the Bible study.
(28:37):
Well, he's a fiery Armenianpastor.
He's not a teacher, he is apreacher.
So he comes over and I had thenotes ahead of time.
Throughout the week I wouldread what got to go through the
lesson, so I knew what thelesson was.
(28:58):
And this guy gets up there andhe just starts getting really
excited about Abraham.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (29:06):
So he's preaching from the search of
truth, but just he's preaching.
Scott Lovingier (29:12):
He really got off the lesson because in my
brain I'm like this is not.
I know what the lesson is.
This is not the lesson, buthe's like you know, I mean he's
Pentecostal Armenian and justgetting very excited about
Abraham, and I just rememberthat vividly of like you know
raising his voice and you knowprobably leave like you know
(29:33):
raising his voice and you knowprobably clapping his hands and
you know just man he's uh andthen, and I knew they were
pentecostal so I knew they werespeaking in tongues.
So after a few- weeks, youunderstood what pentecostal
meant I'd asked her.
I'd asked her mom Carolyn.
I asked Carolyn.
I was like are you guyspentecostal?
Do you guys speak in tongues?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (29:50):
oh, so you knew what that was, yeah.
Well, vaguely, because youmentioned that we're just a
different kind of Christian, soI don't know what that meant to
you.
I knew what the internet saidabout.
Scott Lovingier (30:01):
Pentecostals and speaking in tongues.
They had internet back then.
Yeah, careful, you're older now.
And then my dad, kind of asidebar.
My dad had gone to aPentecostal church when he was a
child.
His mom brought him to one, andso somewhere in life he had
mentioned to me that he went toa Pentecostal church.
(30:21):
He heard him speak in tongues.
God made him really scared, andso Freaked him out.
Yeah, freaked him out, so I knewthat was a thing.
But I signed up for a Biblestudy yeah, a search for bible
study and this guy starts justpreaching.
And then there's people in theback that start speaking in
tongues and like I'm like fightor flight seriously, like I was
(30:46):
like I'm out of here or just youknow.
Maybe just fight, grin and bear.
Just you know.
Maybe just fight through it,just grit and bear it, just get
through this.
You know Jim will be back nextweek and you can continue on.
This is just a weird experience.
How packed was the ?
was pretty full.
It was probably like 20 pluspeople.
That was a full , yeah
Alycia Lovingier (31:07):
, yeah.
Scott Lovingier (31:08):
Sometimes they weren't that big, but for some
reason there was people who werenormally not there, who were
there, people were sitting onthe stairs because we didn't
have enough seats did your dadtravel often, that that happened
every frequently um.
Alycia Lovingier (31:19):
He traveled for work fairly often not like,
not as much as he does now but,he every once in a while.
Yeah, he just happened to be outof town that week
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (31:27):
so it wasn't planned by you or carolyn.
No, we're gonna.
Alycia Lovingier (31:31):
No, it was definitely it was like it was a
home yeah, just a home biblestudy.
Scott Lovingier (31:35):
It wasn't like a private one just for me,
because yeah, it was for likepeople in the part of church can
go so this was definitely adivine appointment yeah, and so
I'm just, I'm sitting there aspeople speak in tongues behind
me and I'm just, you know, againthis is a very weird experience
and I just put my head like inmy hands and I just start crying
(31:55):
and just crying, crying andlike crying.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (31:59):
Are you an emotional type of guy?
Yeah, you are.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Scott Lovingier (32:03):
And I'm crying as hard as I've ever cried in my
life.
You know I'm a.
I would have been 24.
No, I'd have been 23.
I'm in 23.
You know I'm a.
I would have been 24.
No, I've been 23.
I've been 23, just crying myeyes out for and I had no idea
why I was crying I'm just cryingand crying and crying.
Then you're a pink also things.
So people now are touching you,they're laying hands on you,
they're praying for you.
(32:24):
So just you know a whole notherthing too, but I'm still just
crying, and crying and crying um, and I, and I and I remember
this you know, reflecting later,I was like I remember I saw
words coming out of me, likethere was words that were like
floating and things that wereattached to me, and I could see
it in this, in the spirit, whichI didn't know at the time right
(32:45):
, these things that wereattached to me were coming about
in my life and so I that wouldhave been a deliver, I would I
went through deliverance.
Yeah, in not knowing I wasgoing through deliverance.
I don't even know people thereknew I was going through a
deliverance right it's notsomething, not a word we really
used until more, a little morerecently um yeah, they just had
(33:06):
their pentecostal radar detectoron.
Oh, she's crying, let's go yeah, so okay, um, and it was in
conjunction with that and acouple of just supernatural
dreams and experiences reallyclose together within like a
week of that moment.
Yeah, that moment of just godshowed up that he was real and
(33:30):
then I was just hooked so, andmy logical brain was if there's
a God, then I should be going tochurch to worship him and that
was it
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (33:40):
very simple logic
Scott Lovingier (33:40):
it was like well there's a God, there's a
creatorWhat else?
should I be doing this, is it?
um, and I never stopped going tochurch.
That was it, it was all okaythat's how God grabbed your
attention.
That's how God grabbed myattention and then I'll
transition into how that appliesto Alycia, and then she can
(34:02):
chime in with her thoughts onthis.
It might have been the samenight or another within the same
week, so God just showed to,showed up.
He's real.
You know my whole life, I liketo say it was turned right side
up.
I'm seeing clearly there's aGod.
And I walked past her and Iremember exactly the spot at her
(34:25):
house.
I walked past her and I justgot the impression you're going
to marry her Like that's yourwife and you know so here I am
like, ooh, God's real, I got awife.
Like this is going to be great.
You know, like you know,everything in life is just
changing for me and you know Iwas going through a you know, I
(34:50):
don't want to say crisis in life, but I didn't know what my
future was.
I was working a job that waskind of a dead-end job and
trying to find other careersthat I wanted to go into.
Later I got accepted to thepolice academy, which I ended up
not going to.
I went to teaching instead ofpolice academy.
So I was going through thistransitional time in my life and
(35:15):
so God shows up, shows me mywife and I'm thinking, man, this
is going to be so great.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (35:24):
And then Did you tell her that, when he told
you no.
No, so you're one of thosetestimonies where the man heard
oh, that's going to be my wife.
And we've heard all thosetestimonies like oh my gosh, oh
my gosh, look what happened.
He didn't hear the Lord.
Scott Lovingier (35:40):
So this is an interesting one.
This is a positive one.
Yeah, and the problem with Godshowing me that was at the very
same time she hated me.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (35:53):
Why, like she wanted absolutely nothing to do
with me, go ahead you thoughthe was cute, you tried to date
him, yeah, and the world was inthe way, and now God's got a
hold of him and you hate him?
Alycia Lovingier (36:07):
It it's.
That's a strong word.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (36:12):
What's your word?
Alycia Lovingier (36:13):
I.
I mean, I think at the time Godturned my heart from him, that I
mean, it's a nice way ofputting it anyways you said,
turned your heart from him.
Yeah, okay, being likeinterested, okay, I mean, I was
like what, 19 ish at the time um, yeah, maybe 20 um and I I okay
(36:34):
, so this will sound bad.
There's a couple of guys that Iliked at the time I kind of was
hanging out with, not like,like, hanging out like they're
my boyfriends, but just you wereinterested.
In my group of friends there's acouple that were kind of like I
was kind of talking to right,they were church guys they were
very much in church.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (36:50):
They were like they were ahead of the game
.
Scott Lovingier (36:54):
They were like born and raised in church um
they could sing.
Alycia Lovingier (36:59):
Oh wow, yeah, talented gifted in the kingdom
and you got this guy not in thekingdom uh, yeah, it's just I
wasn't I just kind of lostinterest and like I remember,
like during this time where hewas, when he was going through
like this transition, like hewas always at my house because
my mom was like mentoring himand kind of pouring into him.
(37:20):
Basically.
Like and that's what my mom does, like she, she, she likes doing
that kind of stuff, which is agood thing, yeah.
But like I would comedownstairs and he was at the
house and I'm like we're noteven dating, why are you at my
house?
Like just those types of things.
I'm like I'm just all 24-7.
I feel like he was always there.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (37:38):
But he wasn't there for you.
But he was not there for me,but you thought he was there for
you.
Alycia Lovingier (37:41):
Well, I didn't think he was necessarily there
for me.
I knew that he was there to,because he was going through
like this mom.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (37:52):
Yeah.
Alycia Lovingier (37:52):
Um, but I knew subconsciously like that there
was still interest on his endand I just wasn't at that time
in my life where I just I waslike no, okay, um, so I was
hanging out with my mom onenight.
Um, we were just kind of talkingand I kind of make the joke,
like sometimes when youngergirls are like oh God, like show
(38:21):
me who I'm gonna marry, kind oftype thing.
You know, sometimes I mean Idid that, I don't know why I did
that, but, um, they didn't knowthat my mom, I didn't process,
my mom was my mom.
So, um, my mom and I were justhanging out and my mom really,
like God uses her in lots ofdifferent ways and one of the
ways is, just like you know, Godlike pours just information,
gives her information andknowledge and stuff.
So I kind of like made a joke.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (38:38):
.
.
.
have a prophetic gifting.
Alycia Lovingier (38:39):
Yeah, like gifts with the spirit type thing
, and so, um, I kind of likemade a joke.
I was like, because we'retalking about just me hanging
out friends and stuff like thatI was like what did God tell you
who I was going to marry?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (38:50):
kind of like jokingly, like yeah, serious,
and she got quiet and I'm likedid god tell you who I'm gonna
marry?
Alycia Lovingier (38:59):
and she, she didn't say anything.
I was like is it so?
And so, and she was like well,no.
And then she's like now, whatis it so?
And so she's like no.
And then I mentioned Scott'sname and she, quiet like
grasshoppers.
I was like well, good grief.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (39:11):
Why didn't you just say it?
Alycia Lovingier (39:12):
if you're gonna do that, I was like really
like, really that's that's andshe's like that's.
You know, that's what God Godshowed me and I was like, yeah,
that's not gonna happen, becauseI just wasn't.
That's not where I was in mylife and then I kind of make the
joke of you know God's not who.
(39:33):
I was interested at the time soI don't.
I'm not going to marry him,like that's not going to be the
guy.
These are the guys.
This is the guys this is the guyI'm interested in.
These are the guys.
You need these guys, but notthis guy, you know, type thing.
So I just so, when thathappened, and then he was always
at my, and then we're allhanging out Like we had a group
(39:53):
of friends and he was alwaysthere.
So I'm like, oh my gosh, he'slike everywhere.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (39:58):
Were you friends with the guy friend she
was interested in?
They went to different churches.
Scott Lovingier (40:01):
They went to different churches.
Alycia Lovingier (40:02):
They were in a different part of California.
One was close, but the otherone was more central California.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (40:07):
Okay,
Alycia Lovingier (40:07):
so they weren't like super close, yeah.
but yeah, and I was definitelyI'm God just like turned my
heart.
I think he had to turn my heartobey from him during this
transitional time, in the senseof he needed God to make it need
to be all about God not aboutme and that was, you know.
(40:29):
It worked out for me at thattime because I was kind of going
for my own thing of like.
I said you're not going to tellme who I'm going to marry, I'm
not marrying this guy typeattitude rebellious teenager
yeah so you're 20 I teenageradjacent
um but yeah, that was kind oflike that's kind of where my
mind was when and he was just hewas always at the house, yeah.
(40:50):
So I was like tired of seeinghim all the time.
I was like why are you alwayshere, type thing.
So that was kind of where mymind I mean she was
Scott Lovingier (40:57):
, she was not nice to me.
I mean like really not nice tome
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (41:02):
.
She wouldn't make you a PB andJ sandwich or anything.
Scott Lovingier (41:05):
She was not going to make me a sandwich, you
know, and there was one timeand this is this is kind of the
testimony of how everythingstarted coming together and one
time during the summer she wasjust being extra, just mean,
just for no reason, Like I didnothing wrong to her.
So I was going to tell her off,Like as a Christian you are not
(41:30):
acting like a Christian.
Like you are not being aChristian right now.
There's no reason for you totreat me like the way you're
treating me, um, and and so I'mpreparing what I'm going to say,
and then I was quickened by thespirit, and the spirit said
leave her alone One day.
We'll just click.
And I just left it alone.
(41:50):
Those are the words.
Those are the words.
So I left it alone.
So that was during the summer,and then early fall we kind of
just started becoming friendsagain and really just friends.
So we're just hanging out.
I'm going to school for mymaster's program, so I'm not
working.
She's nannying, so her morningswere open, so we just kind of
(42:11):
hang out in the morning and justas friends, um and and then.
So that's throughout the fall,uh, rekindling the friendship,
and then we kind of go on a dateish more.
We just San Francisco, we wentto a restaurant, just the two
of us your parents went there.
(42:32):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't count, itwas like I didn't think it was a
date either and we just wentand we just hung out and, you
know, went to this restaurantand, um, either the next day or
a couple days later she was downin southern california visiting
her family.
And we're texting, and shesends me a text and she goes the
(42:54):
other night something clickedand you know, God had told me
leave her alone One day.
It will just click Obviously.
I never told her that.
Yeah, and she texts me,something clicked, wow, using
the same word, Using the sameword.
And then she told me and Idon't remember exactly what she
said after that because I'm oncloud nine, because the whole
(43:22):
time, right, right, I'm thinkingthat's gonna be my wife, yeah,
and you know, she's just so coldto me and you know, and um, you
must have struggled oh, it wasa struggle, I mean without.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (43:27):
Did you hear the lord?
Because she's so mean what?
Scott Lovingier (43:29):
oh yeah, I don't get this you know, and
when you look back you're like,wow, that was really a small
period of time that I wentthrough, but in the moment it
was very hard.
I mean, there was.
There were a lot of tears,there were a lot of struggle,
there was a lot of.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (43:43):
Did you cry with her mom, unbeknownst to her
, or let her know that you werestruggling?
Yeah, her mom knew.
Did you tell her mom that youhad had that word or no?
Scott Lovingier (43:55):
I might have I told her a lot.
I mean, she really did pourinto me and mentored me and I
like to call it she kind ofbirthed me into the kingdom and
raised me.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (44:06):
Yeah.
Scott Lovingier (44:06):
You know, and I probably did tell her.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (44:10):
Okay.
Scott Lovingier (44:19):
That definitely would not have been something
she would have told Alicia,because that would have just set
her off even more.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (44:21):
You know, yeah, yeah, but she never.
Yeah, she never said anythingto me, but I guess, I guess it's
.
She's not here to speak, but Iguess carolyn at some point
heard the lord on her own.
Be interesting if she heard itbefore you told her or after you
told her.
It kind of was a confirmation.
Did either of you know?
Scott Lovingier (44:33):
I don't know, I'm actually not sure the
timeline, because one of the theearly, in the first couple
weeks of me, you know,discovering God and stuff um uh,
Carolyn had told me I washaving this weird.
Uh, okay, this is what happened.
I was having this weirdsensation in my arms and it was
almost like the only way I coulddescribe it was like I felt
(44:54):
like I had butterflies in myarms.
Usually you have like in yourstomach, in your chest.
It felt like I had butterfliesin my arms.
It was the weirdest feeling andI just described this to
Carolyn and she picked up onsomehow it was some kind of
something spiritual and she goes, just go home tonight and pray
and pray that god will give youa dream of you receiving the
(45:14):
Holy Ghost.
I went home.
I prayed um, and that night Godgave me a dream of how I would
receive the Holy Ghost, and itturned out later that's actually
how I did receive the HolyGhost.
I just woke up in the middle ofthe night, raised my arms and
God filled me with the HolyGhost.
(45:35):
So it was almost like the movieInception.
I had a dream and a dream, andwhen I'm having that dream, she
wakes up and I don't know if youremember this she wakes up and
calls her mom into her room andsays I'm feeling this weird
feeling in my arms, and so she'sdescribing it to her mom and
(45:59):
her mom's picking up Like that'sexactly what Scott was
experiencing too, and then Ithink you guys, probably more
your mom, started praying for me.
I have the dream.
I wake up, I call Carolyn, inthe middle of the the night it
was like two o'clock in themorning, yeah, and she's like
(46:22):
we've just been here praying foryou.
I mean, these are things thatjust really made god so real to
me.
You know that you can't, youcan't just, you know, conjure
that up.
So just real supernaturalthings, really.
God had to really be real to mebecause I had in my brain as a
young man.
Nobody could ever prove to methere's a God.
(46:44):
How could you prove to methere's a supernatural creator?
It's impossible, so he had todo some real things to grab my
attention.
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Well, hello, faithful listenersof Our Father's Heart.
I kind of feel like I aminterrupting your regularly
scheduled programming for thisannouncement.
It's kind of odd because I amright now in the process of
getting together this particularpodcast that you're about to
(00:47):
listen to, called the LovingerTestimony, and I just felt like
jumping in to tell you that lastnight as I started to gather
together the material.
I thought I lost it.
I was internally freaking out.
(01:08):
I thought I lost this whole twohour and 40 minute session that
I had with the Lovinger familyand I was trying to do a few
things at one time, but I couldnot find this file.
And when I did this podcast, Idid it upstairs in the living
(01:32):
room.
I did it on the laptop a laptopthat I just got last year, that
I prepared to just be able touse it kind of on the fly so I
wouldn't have to be at my maincomputer doing the podcast, like
I'm doing this little introright now.
And I came back to it becausewe did it last week.
I came back to it to try tolook for it and I couldn't find
(01:53):
it.
I was and I had to do someother things.
So I went and did the otherthings that I knew I could do so
that I can accomplish something.
And when I finished all of that, I came back and I started
searching, searching, searchingand I could not find it on the
laptop.
It was gone.
(02:13):
It wasn't in the deleted items,it wasn't in the recycle bin,
it just wasn't there.
It literally was not on mylaptop.
Now, the reason why it wasn'ton my laptop is because I'm just
recently turned 50 years oldand I know that I myself have
(02:34):
weaknesses, and what I tried todo to compensate for those
weaknesses is I tried to dealwith things as immediate as I
can, because there might be somany things going on in my life
that I'll get sidetracked andthen I'll forget to do something
.
So I preemptively do things inadvance so that I don't forget
(02:55):
later on, you know, to dosomething or to get something
accomplished.
Well, that's what I did.
After I had the podcast session,I dealt with the audio file and
I, you know, did some editingand then I saved it on my
downstairs main computer and Icompletely forgot.
(03:18):
But I did that because I didn'twant to lose it on the laptop
and something to happen.
So I just wanted to make surethat I took care of it
immediately and put it in a safeplace where nothing should
happen, and I totally, totallyforgot about it.
So a week later, I am trying towork on it.
We had the session on Sunday,I'm working on it on Friday and
I can't find the file and I'mtotally about to lose it.
(03:40):
But I'm doing this, you know,on the couch and my wife is over
there watching something and Ijust I said, oh Lord, help me
find this file.
So I remotely tapped into mycomputer downstairs and I said
I've got nothing to lose, I'mnot finding it on the laptop,
let me just search thedownstairs computer because I
(04:02):
have no idea.
And literally I just completelyforgot that.
I worked on the audio file andwent and saved it downstairs.
So thank God I found it.
I was so relieved you guys donot know how relieved I was I
felt like I might have cried ifI had not found it, because you
put a lot of effort, you put alot of work into something and
(04:24):
then all of a sudden, in amoment it seems like everything
is lost and you're at a loss asto what you did, what happened
to it.
But just, oh, praise God, Ifound it.
So I just wanted to interjectthat and just kind of give you a
little side story before youget into the testimony.
But I did want to make one morepoint of mention, as I'm working
(04:47):
on the podcast and thinkingabout all the things that were
exchanged.
I love the testimony, I trulydo, and I realized that a
testimony is not really atestimony if everything in the
testimony is perfect.
What do I mean by that?
The testimony that the LordJesus works out in our lives is
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so powerful, it's so anointed,it's so potent Because of the
imperfectness of our experience,the sin, the dumb decisions,
the bad moves, the wrong turnsthat we took.
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It all is made powerful becauseGod intervened in the situation
and he brought about somethinggood out of the imperfect
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situation that we lived in, thatwe experienced in.
And I want to remind everyoneof that because, because some of
you, by the end of this podcast, might listen to it and sit
back and consider everythingthat was shared and you might
develop some sort of maybeattitude or maybe a critical
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spirit and say, but what aboutthis, but what about this, but
what about that?
And I would say to you, ifthat's your response to this
testimony, when it's all saidand done, I would ask you to
consider all of the testimoniesin the Bible.
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All of the testimonies in theBible are about imperfect people
living through and experiencingbad, wicked, evil, corrupt
situations, sometimes of theirown doing and sometimes not, but
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I would say 100% of the time.
Most of the bad experiencesthat we have read through in the
scriptures that are testimoniesof the patriarchs and the
patriarchs' wives and the womenare because of sin, things that
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we did, and they ended upreaping the consequences of
those sins.
And that's for everyone, that'sliterally for everyone.
So for those of you that might,at the end of this podcast,
think, but what about this thingthat they did or that thing
that they did?
Hey, everyone in the scriptureshave, you can say that and you
can be critical about you knowthe decisions that they made and
(07:54):
be, all you know, lofty withyourself, like you know, because
something that I learned very,very young or very, very early
on in my life and I think I gotkind of a little bit arrogant
about it is that you can'texpect someone to do what you
would have done in theirsituation, because we always
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look at other people's lives andthink, oh gosh, I would have
never done that, I would havenever done this, and that you
don't know really what you woulddo or what you would not do
until you're actually in thesituation.
We all have these flights offancies about ourselves,
envisioning that we would alwaysmake the right decision, the
(08:38):
wise decision, the correctdecision.
But be honest with yourself.
You're not perfect and neitheram I.
And the last thing that we needis to start talking about
somebody's plank in their eye ortoothpick in their eye and we
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have a plank in ours.
So I want you to listen to thispodcast and I want you to
discern all that God did in hisintervention in this family's
life to bring about blessing,goodness, prosperity and honor.
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And then think about what Jesussaid when they brought the
woman caught in adultery to him.
What did he say?
He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her
(09:45):
first.
And by the time you're donelistening to this whole podcast,
you will realize to God be theglory.
No matter what the situationswere, he was able to redeem what
transpired in the past to bringabout something good.
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Hello everyone, thank you forjoining us today on this special
episode of our.
Father's Heart podcast.
This is one of those specialones where if you've been
listening for any amount of time, you know that it's usually
you're just listening to me,your host Jay, giving a teaching
of some kind that he's done inthe past and just wanting to
(10:28):
share it with the world in thehopes that it might, you know,
spread out the seed everywhereand let the seed fall where it
may, and hopefully it'll fallinto a good soil and someone
will respond to it in somefashion.
Whether I know about it or not,it doesn't matter to me, but
just the fact that God will useit to reach someone's heart.
But this is a special podcastbecause I normally teach or
(10:53):
release episodes in that way,but this particular episode I'm
going to be having a discussionand a live conversation.
I've done that a couple timesbefore.
Those of you that are listeningor have not listened, you might
want to check out what was theprevious one we did with Elder
Strange and Marie Strange Lifein the Supernatural.
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There we go.
That was the other one.
That was a series.
I can't remember how many partsright now, but you might want
to check that out because thatwas an incredible series to hear
the life of an octogenarian andhis wife and how they, you know
, live through all of thoseyears as you know, born again,
spirit-filled, baptized inJesus' name, christians and all
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of the changes that they wentthrough.
But it was really about themiracles that they experienced
in their life.
And then another one that we didwas we went from the
octogenarians we went down tothe youth and we addressed some
of the issues that the youthwere dealing with.
I think that was about twoyears ago, based upon some
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questions that my daughter wasgiving me regarding her
generation and the things thatthey were asking and stuff.
So you might want to check thatone out.
Do you remember the title ofthat one?
Patricia Ruiz (12:09):
I don't.
It was with Amber and Malachi.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (12:13):
Yeah, we had Amber and Malachi, and Lydia was
a part of it as well.
That's our daughter and I'mgoing to find it right now
because that's another good oneif you want to listen to a live
conversation between me andothers.
But today, oh, topics for youngadults.
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That was an eight-part series.
We talked about a lot ofdifferent things there.
That was a long hours and I hadto break that up.
So today might be the samething.
I don't know if it's going tolast as long.
That'll be up to our guest.
Here we have Scott and his wife, Alicia Lovinger.
(12:57):
We've gotten to know them overthe last few years because they
began to attend our church.
They come from the liberalstate of California and they
came here and they escaped theclutches and we're glad to have
them here.
Scott Lovingier (13:12):
So if you guys want to say hi, Hi, yeah, I
think pastor today called meCalifornia boy.
Oh, he did.
Okay, we're hoping this isgoing to be five-part series, by
the way, oh okay.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (13:25):
Well, it'll be dependent upon how verbose
you are.
How much do you put on?
Okay, so we're going to getstarted.
My wife is here as well and I'dlike to introduce you to this
family, because I think theyhave a tremendous testimony and
they revealed some of it at arecent Sunday engagement.
I believe Scott was teachingthat Sunday right and was just
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opening up his heart and I said,wow, there's a lot there, and
I'm the type of person thatbelieves that the spirit of
Jesus in one's life or thetestimony of Jesus in one life
is a prophetic testimony or aprophetic spirit.
Scott Lovingier (14:05):
Yeah, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit
of prophecy.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (14:08):
Right, right.
And I wanted to give you guysthe opportunity to allow the
Lord to use the testimony thathe's done in your life to
hopefully impact others.
And the scripture that alwayscomes to mind when I think about
this is 2 Corinthians 1.4.
It says, talking about our Godand Father, the Lord Jesus
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Christ, that he is the Father ofmercies, he's the God of all
comfort.
He says he comforts us in ourtribulation so that we may be
able to comfort others or thosewho are in that trouble that we
went through.
That God comforted us andmeaning he got us through it, he
took us through that Red Sea,that terrible time, and then we
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begin to comfort others with thesame comfort that he comforted
us with.
And so that's the whole.
That's my foundation, littleprinciple of why I want to share
you guys with the world.
So let's start with the head ofthe house.
Brother Scott, you came fromCalifornia, but I don't think
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you were born there.
Scott Lovingier (15:15):
Oh, I was.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:16):
Oh, you were.
Scott Lovingier (15:16):
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:17):
Okay, I thought for some reason you were
in the middle of the countrybecause you were born in
California.
Scott Lovingier (15:23):
Tell us about yourself yourself, like kind of
introduce yourself um well,sorry, there's just a bug
crawling in behind you for asecond well, that will not
bother any one of us.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:37):
Thank God my daughter's not here, so that's
cool, that, hey, that's reallife fellas.
This is not for real, butanyway, see it's all right.
It's all right.
No, it's not.
If I find it, I'll get it.
Okay, you get it.
Scott Lovingier (15:56):
So, brother Scott, go ahead and introduce
yourself, okay so wow, where doI start?
I'm going to be turning 42.
Okay, born and raised inCalifornia, in Northern
California, so just outside theBay Area, was not raised in
church, okay, so both of myparents came from a Seventh-day
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Adventist background.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (16:22):
Oh, you guys have got to be here to get all
this.
I am not editing this, okay.
Oh my God, not the book.
There you go.
Just let it inside.
That's good, just let it inside, all right.
So to fill you all in becauseyou can't see what's going on,
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we had a bug crawling down thewall and my wife went to the
rescue and brought in the uhraid and just, uh, sprayed it
all up and down.
So, yeah, okay, she rained downon him, all right, uh, so you
were raised in California, uppernorthern California, um, but I,
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I don't hear you having youhaving that surfer kind of talk.
So you're not a surfer.
That's Southern California.
Oh, southern, you were Northern.
Scott Lovingier (17:11):
Yeah, that's a big difference.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:12):
Okay, yeah, so Go ahead, I mean.
Okay, okay, so you were raisedin Northern California, Alycia,
were you in California too?
Yep, born and raised.
Alycia Lovingier (17:24):
You were raised, yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:26):
Oh, you both.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, for some reason I thoughtyou were in different places.
Okay, so were you raised in thesame Northern California area?
Scott Lovingier (17:33):
Yeah, I went to the same high school.
I'm five years older, so Ididn't go to school with her.
Oh, so we grew up in the same mybrother.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:48):
That's how I met her okay um, he hooked you
up well, not really.
Scott Lovingier (17:50):
No, not really.
Was he ever interested likefourth grade?
Alycia Lovingier (17:54):
way back, yeah okay yeah, that's when we were
pretty much.
We went from fourth grade upthrough all of high school
together with his brother, sohis brother and I were like the
same age oh, okay um, I didn'tactually know he existed until
high school.
Um, yeah, I don't even think Imet him until after your brother
went to college I think I metyou when you were 19, yeah so I
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didn't like I heard about him,but I never actually met him
okay, so you met her as a highschool senior no, she was, I
already graduated.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (18:23):
Oh, you already graduated, yeah okay,
but you didn't know her frombefore, when your brother I
think I knew the name okay, butI never met her like that
interesting.
Okay, all right.
So then how did you endwhat's the
Scott Lovingier (18:37):
Just, I think, as my brother became, you know,
an adult and then I, just Imoved back home and, um, you
know, I started hanging out withhim and his group of friends
occasionally and um, so I wasn'tin church, she was maybe going
through a little bit of arebellious spirit, uh period.
So we met at a party, um, andthat was, uh, the first time we
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met.
I hope that's okay if I saidthat that's fine.
Alycia Lovingier (19:07):
that you were allowed to go to.
I was still in the party.
It was a party at his house.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:10):
Well, no, but you were you allowed to go to
this no?
Oh no, you've met her mom
Alycia Lovingier (19:14):
right?
I have.
That's why I'm wondering no,Born and raised in church.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:19):
So you were still living with your parents.
Alycia Lovingier (19:21):
Yeah, I lived with my parents up until we got
married.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:24):
Was this one of those you snuck out the
window, type of thing?
No, they knew I was going outhanging out with friends Because
it's sensational the context ofthe situation.
Okay, yeah, okay.
So you met at this party,
Scott Lovingier (19:37):
met at this party I mean nothing.
I mean it was just a party.
I mean obviously I looked herand was like, wow she's really
cute.
yeah, and then I would justkind of turn into a friendship
after that.
So we kind of became friends.
I started our groups, just kindof intermingled with my group
my friend group and my brother'sfriend group, and my brother's
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off at college, so he wasn'teven there out kind of dated,
but not really dated because shewas like one foot in the church
, one foot kind of you knowexperiencing the world a little
bit uh-huh, not really a lot.
You know some people like fullygo experience the world.
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She didn't do that.
She was, like, you know, stillgoing to church, not really
doing the things of the worldthat I was doing as a
non-believer, but it dated alittle bit.
It didn't really work outbecause I wasn't in church and
that was not going to fly withher and her family.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (20:43):
So she had some requirements that you
weren't meeting at the time, soit didn't work out.
Alycia Lovingier (20:46):
It wasn't like she told me these are my
requirements.
I think, ultimately, I knewthis phase I was going through
was a phase.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (20:53):
You knew that inside.
Alycia Lovingier (20:54):
Yeah, I knew inside this was not going to be
like a permanent lifestyle.
I knew that and I always knewthat even if I wasn't like fully
in church, I was still going tochurch.
Well, for one, because I had nochoice.
I lived with my parents, but Ialways knew that there's only
going to be a certain, there'sonly a relationship.
That was so far, because I knewhe wasn't in church and that
was still a non-negotiable forme, like I was still never going
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to give up.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (21:18):
Did you know you tried this relationship
we did, we did.
I don't think he really knew.
But did your parents know that you tried to
attempt this relationship
Alycia Lovingier (21:27):
kind of They knew that we were like
talking, kind of hanging out.
I don't think they knew, I meanI don't know how serious.
It wasn't like super seriousOkay, because I was definitely
younger, I was going throughkind of a different phase in my
life.
But yeah, ultimately, like Iknew, it wasn't really going to
get very far because I was neverwilling to give up God and
church, even if I was goingthrough this little rebellious
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phase that I was going through.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (21:50):
So one of the interesting things that I just
picked up on is that youimmediately told me, or you told
all of us, you told the wholeaudience.
Your first impression was oh,she's cute.
Scott Lovingier (21:59):
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:00):
And I kind of know your testimony.
What was your first impressionof him?
Alycia Lovingier (22:05):
I'm trying to remember, like the first time I
saw him.
I remember going over becausethe party was at his parents'
house.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:11):
Okay.
Alycia Lovingier (22:12):
And so I'd been to that house multiple
times because I knew his brother.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:14):
Okay.
Alycia Lovingier (22:16):
But I never.
I think it was the first time Ieven met him.
I mean, I thought he was cute.
He had a couple of his collegefriends there too, so I was kind
of just hanging out with him aswell.
Just kind of didn't really likekind of just getting to know
people.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:27):
So you did think it was cute.
Alycia Lovingier (22:29):
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:29):
Okay, so there was a mutual physical
attractiveness that you both hadtoward each other.
Alycia Lovingier (22:36):
But nothing, you know Nothing.
Serious, super serious came ofit.
Scott Lovingier (22:40):
She didn't flirt with you, kind of she's
not a flirt.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:44):
Yeah, I've never been that type of yeah,
but you both paused there andyou thought about it.
Scott Lovingier (22:49):
Well, because we did kind of date, we did yeah
we, you both paused there andyou thought about it.
Alycia Lovingier (22:52):
Well, because we did kind of date.
I mean, we did, yeah, we did.
Scott Lovingier (22:53):
We went out and did movies and stuff like that,
but we wouldn't have said thisis my girlfriend?
Alycia Lovingier (22:56):
Yeah, we were never talking about it.
We were in a relationship ohokay.
Yeah, it was never seriousenough.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:00):
So dating just to hang out and spend a
good time In our groups offriends inter.
Okay, so you were always inchurch, always, always in church
.
What made you go into thislittle season of rebellious
phase?
What was that all about?
Alycia Lovingier (23:16):
I was 19, and I think I was tired of living at
home and I never really thoughtabout why I went through that
phase Because people I hadfriends who were not really like
they would go go to church, soto speak.
Like they say they're christian, um, but definitely not lead
the lifestyle of a christian,and so someone might come by
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association.
I was hanging out with them andthen that's actually how we got
invited over to his house, wasmy friend got invited and she
said hey, we're going over to,uh, his brother's name is matt
we're going to matt's brother'shouse or matt's house to hang
out with some friends and hisolder brother.
So it was kind of by association.
I kind of got in this kind ofgroup of friends.
(24:00):
Also the only one that kind ofwas really going to church.
If that makes sense, yeah, likeseriously going to church.
But yeah, it kind of just fellinto that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (24:11):
So you tried early on.
But yeah, it kind of just fellinto that.
So you tried early on but hewasn't.
He was still in the world.
Scott Lovingier (24:18):
He had no interest.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (24:19):
How did that change.
Scott Lovingier (24:20):
Okay.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (24:21):
So that's, that's that's a full story.
Scott Lovingier (24:24):
So she I mean she never talked to me about
church at all.
I knew her family was religious.
I knew they were a differenttype of religious than my other
Cause I mean I had Christianfriends growing up and we all
did the same stuff, like youknow, it was no different but
she, I knew her and her familywere different but she never
talked to me about that at all.
Um, I always, just in life, hada fascination with world
(24:46):
religions, so I just wanted toknow what all religions said.
Um, and I mean, it could onlyhave been the Holy spirit to
just bubble this up at thispoint in my life, of pushing me
to sit to look.
Okay, what does this, the Biblesay?
Cause I had no idea what theBible said, other than just
maybe just the basic children'sstories that you might hear,
(25:09):
cause I never, I didn't go tochurch other than just a handful
of times like my grandmabrought me a couple times or a
couple ex-girlfriends, you know,drug me to catholic churches
and and so that was basically myextent to knowing what the bible
and what church was about.
Um, so I just kind of had thisthought and this feeling like,
(25:30):
well, just read the bible andjust see what it says, and then,
after I'm done with that, I'mgoing to go read the Quran, I'm
going to go study, you know,buddhist.
That was just kind of mythoughts.
So I went to Alycia, because Iknew she was different, you know
, and I was like, can you helpme pick out a Bible?
(25:50):
Because I didn't know how topick out a Bible.
I didn't want to get the wrongbible, I didn't.
I had no idea what that evenmeant to pick out a bible.
I thought there, I mean,obviously there's different
translations, but I thought youcould get like a wrong bible or
something.
So, um, she didn't really saymuch.
But then, maybe a week or twolater, um, her and her mom
presented me with a Bible.
(26:11):
They bought me one, they got myname engraved on it.
It's a new King James version.
It's actually the one I'm usingat church at the moment.
I just kind of pulled it offthe shelf.
I'm like I want to go back tomy roots.
Alycia Lovingier (26:25):
Do you remember that time?
I remember I didn'tspecifically pick it out I
remember talking to my mom aboutit, Like oh, hey, he asked for
the.
Bible Kind of like nonchalantly.
Hey he wanted a Bible.
You know, can you help me pickout one type thing?
Okay, that was kind of it.
My mom was the one that went andpicked up the Bible and got it
engraved.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (26:44):
So at that time you were really interested
in reaching him for Christ.
Alycia Lovingier (26:52):
I've never been that person.
That's the one that's like hey,let me tell you about Jesus,
like that's never been mypersonality.
I'm very introverted.
People ask me I'll talk aboutit Like I have no shame in
talking about it.
But I'm not one that's going tobe like here, take a Bible, you
know that's just, that's not me.
So I got to stop giving youcredit for that story Um but
yeah, I mean, I just had my momlike hey, mom, can you pick out
picking a bible?
And she picked it out, got itengraved, and then I don't
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actually remember physicallygiving it to you, like I don't
remember that how that allplayed out.
Scott Lovingier (27:17):
But I don't remember either, maybe she did
but, you kept it the whole time?
oh yeah, because you know, then she gave
it.
I'm gonna say your mom gave itto, not you, apparently.
She gave me the bible and um,and you know very slyly, it was
like oh, by the way, we have aBible study if you'd like to
attend, and it's the Search forTruth Bible study, it's the one
(27:41):
we're doing at church right nowfor our Sunday school.
And I just had a couplerequirements.
I said don't preach to me, Idon't want you to preach to me,
I only want to know what theword says.
Don't preach to me, I don'twant.
I don't want you to preach tome, I just want, I only want to
know what the word says.
Don't preach to me.
And number two don't ask me togo to church, because I'm not
going to church, I think thoseare my two requirements.
I'll go to your bible study, butnothing else.
(28:03):
And you said that straight upto her parents.
Oh, yeah, I was very blunt,
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (28:05):
was she?
Were you witness to ?
I don't remember.
She wasn't definitely wrong,definitely Um cause that's.
That'll be the second part ofthe story then.
Okay.
Scott Lovingier (28:14):
Uh of how she felt about me.
Um and so, uh, yeah, I, Iagreed to go to the Bible study
and, um, it was definitely weekthree of the Bible study, her
dad was teaching.
It was at their house, weekthree, the Bible study, her dad
was teaching.
He was at their house.
Week three, her dad's out oftown.
And they said the pastor iscoming to teach the Bible study.
(28:37):
Well, he's a fiery Armenianpastor.
He's not a teacher, he is apreacher.
So he comes over and I had thenotes ahead of time.
Throughout the week I wouldread what got to go through the
lesson, so I knew what thelesson was.
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And this guy gets up there andhe just starts getting really
excited about Abraham.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (29:06):
So he's preaching from the search of
truth, but just he's preaching.
Scott Lovingier (29:12):
He really got off the lesson because in my
brain I'm like this is not.
I know what the lesson is.
This is not the lesson, buthe's like you know, I mean he's
Pentecostal Armenian and justgetting very excited about
Abraham, and I just rememberthat vividly of like you know
raising his voice and you knowprobably leave like you know
(29:33):
raising his voice and you knowprobably clapping his hands and
you know just man he's uh andthen, and I knew they were
pentecostal so I knew they werespeaking in tongues.
So after a few- weeks, youunderstood what pentecostal
meant I'd asked her.
I'd asked her mom Carolyn.
I asked Carolyn.
I was like are you guyspentecostal?
Do you guys speak in tongues?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (29:50):
oh, so you knew what that was, yeah.
Well, vaguely, because youmentioned that we're just a
different kind of Christian, soI don't know what that meant to
you.
I knew what the internet saidabout.
Scott Lovingier (30:01):
Pentecostals and speaking in tongues.
They had internet back then.
Yeah, careful, you're older now.
And then my dad, kind of asidebar.
My dad had gone to aPentecostal church when he was a
child.
His mom brought him to one, andso somewhere in life he had
mentioned to me that he went toa Pentecostal church.
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He heard him speak in tongues.
God made him really scared, andso Freaked him out.
Yeah, freaked him out, so I knewthat was a thing.
But I signed up for a Biblestudy yeah, a search for bible
study and this guy starts justpreaching.
And then there's people in theback that start speaking in
tongues and like I'm like fightor flight seriously, like I was
(30:46):
like I'm out of here or just youknow.
Maybe just fight, grin and bear.
Just you know.
Maybe just fight through it,just grit and bear it, just get
through this.
You know Jim will be back nextweek and you can continue on.
This is just a weird experience.
How packed was the ?
was pretty full.
It was probably like 20 pluspeople.
That was a full , yeah
Alycia Lovingier (31:07):
, yeah.
Scott Lovingier (31:08):
Sometimes they weren't that big, but for some
reason there was people who werenormally not there, who were
there, people were sitting onthe stairs because we didn't
have enough seats did your dadtravel often, that that happened
every frequently um.
Alycia Lovingier (31:19):
He traveled for work fairly often not like,
not as much as he does now but,he every once in a while.
Yeah, he just happened to be outof town that week
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (31:27):
so it wasn't planned by you or carolyn.
No, we're gonna.
Alycia Lovingier (31:31):
No, it was definitely it was like it was a
home yeah, just a home biblestudy.
Scott Lovingier (31:35):
It wasn't like a private one just for me,
because yeah, it was for likepeople in the part of church can
go so this was definitely adivine appointment yeah, and so
I'm just, I'm sitting there aspeople speak in tongues behind
me and I'm just, you know, againthis is a very weird experience
and I just put my head like inmy hands and I just start crying
(31:55):
and just crying, crying andlike crying.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (31:59):
Are you an emotional type of guy?
Yeah, you are.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Scott Lovingier (32:03):
And I'm crying as hard as I've ever cried in my
life.
You know I'm a.
I would have been 24.
No, I'd have been 23.
I'm in 23.
You know I'm a.
I would have been 24.
No, I've been 23.
I've been 23, just crying myeyes out for and I had no idea
why I was crying I'm just cryingand crying and crying.
Then you're a pink also things.
So people now are touching you,they're laying hands on you,
they're praying for you.
(32:24):
So just you know a whole notherthing too, but I'm still just
crying, and crying and crying um, and I, and I and I remember
this you know, reflecting later,I was like I remember I saw
words coming out of me, likethere was words that were like
floating and things that wereattached to me, and I could see
it in this, in the spirit, whichI didn't know at the time right
(32:45):
, these things that wereattached to me were coming about
in my life and so I that wouldhave been a deliver, I would I
went through deliverance.
Yeah, in not knowing I wasgoing through deliverance.
I don't even know people thereknew I was going through a
deliverance right it's notsomething, not a word we really
used until more, a little morerecently um yeah, they just had
(33:06):
their pentecostal radar detectoron.
Oh, she's crying, let's go yeah, so okay, um, and it was in
conjunction with that and acouple of just supernatural
dreams and experiences reallyclose together within like a
week of that moment.
Yeah, that moment of just godshowed up that he was real and
(33:30):
then I was just hooked so, andmy logical brain was if there's
a God, then I should be going tochurch to worship him and that
was it
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (33:40):
very simple logic
Scott Lovingier (33:40):
it was like well there's a God, there's a
creatorWhat else?
should I be doing this, is it?
um, and I never stopped going tochurch.
That was it, it was all okaythat's how God grabbed your
attention.
That's how God grabbed myattention and then I'll
transition into how that appliesto Alycia, and then she can
(34:02):
chime in with her thoughts onthis.
It might have been the samenight or another within the same
week, so God just showed to,showed up.
He's real.
You know my whole life, I liketo say it was turned right side
up.
I'm seeing clearly there's aGod.
And I walked past her and Iremember exactly the spot at her
(34:25):
house.
I walked past her and I justgot the impression you're going
to marry her Like that's yourwife and you know so here I am
like, ooh, God's real, I got awife.
Like this is going to be great.
You know, like you know,everything in life is just
changing for me and you know Iwas going through a you know, I
(34:50):
don't want to say crisis in life, but I didn't know what my
future was.
I was working a job that waskind of a dead-end job and
trying to find other careersthat I wanted to go into.
Later I got accepted to thepolice academy, which I ended up
not going to.
I went to teaching instead ofpolice academy.
So I was going through thistransitional time in my life and
(35:15):
so God shows up, shows me mywife and I'm thinking, man, this
is going to be so great.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (35:24):
And then Did you tell her that, when he told
you no.
No, so you're one of thosetestimonies where the man heard
oh, that's going to be my wife.
And we've heard all thosetestimonies like oh my gosh, oh
my gosh, look what happened.
He didn't hear the Lord.
Scott Lovingier (35:40):
So this is an interesting one.
This is a positive one.
Yeah, and the problem with Godshowing me that was at the very
same time she hated me.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (35:53):
Why, like she wanted absolutely nothing to do
with me, go ahead you thoughthe was cute, you tried to date
him, yeah, and the world was inthe way, and now God's got a
hold of him and you hate him?
Alycia Lovingier (36:07):
It it's.
That's a strong word.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (36:12):
What's your word?
Alycia Lovingier (36:13):
I.
I mean, I think at the time Godturned my heart from him, that I
mean, it's a nice way ofputting it anyways you said,
turned your heart from him.
Yeah, okay, being likeinterested, okay, I mean, I was
like what, 19 ish at the time um, yeah, maybe 20 um and I I okay
(36:34):
, so this will sound bad.
There's a couple of guys that Iliked at the time I kind of was
hanging out with, not like,like, hanging out like they're
my boyfriends, but just you wereinterested.
In my group of friends there's acouple that were kind of like I
was kind of talking to right,they were church guys they were
very much in church.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (36:50):
They were like they were ahead of the game
.
Scott Lovingier (36:54):
They were like born and raised in church um
they could sing.
Alycia Lovingier (36:59):
Oh wow, yeah, talented gifted in the kingdom
and you got this guy not in thekingdom uh, yeah, it's just I
wasn't I just kind of lostinterest and like I remember,
like during this time where hewas, when he was going through
like this transition, like hewas always at my house because
my mom was like mentoring himand kind of pouring into him.
(37:20):
Basically.
Like and that's what my mom does, like she, she, she likes doing
that kind of stuff, which is agood thing, yeah.
But like I would comedownstairs and he was at the
house and I'm like we're noteven dating, why are you at my
house?
Like just those types of things.
I'm like I'm just all 24-7.
I feel like he was always there.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (37:38):
But he wasn't there for you.
But he was not there for me,but you thought he was there for
you.
Alycia Lovingier (37:41):
Well, I didn't think he was necessarily there
for me.
I knew that he was there to,because he was going through
like this mom.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (37:52):
Yeah.
Alycia Lovingier (37:52):
Um, but I knew subconsciously like that there
was still interest on his endand I just wasn't at that time
in my life where I just I waslike no, okay, um, so I was
hanging out with my mom onenight.
Um, we were just kind of talkingand I kind of make the joke,
like sometimes when youngergirls are like oh God, like show
(38:21):
me who I'm gonna marry, kind oftype thing.
You know, sometimes I mean Idid that, I don't know why I did
that, but, um, they didn't knowthat my mom, I didn't process,
my mom was my mom.
So, um, my mom and I were justhanging out and my mom really,
like God uses her in lots ofdifferent ways and one of the
ways is, just like you know, Godlike pours just information,
gives her information andknowledge and stuff.
So I kind of like made a joke.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (38:38):
.
.
.
have a prophetic gifting.
Alycia Lovingier (38:39):
Yeah, like gifts with the spirit type thing
, and so, um, I kind of likemade a joke.
I was like, because we'retalking about just me hanging
out friends and stuff like thatI was like what did God tell you
who I was going to marry?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (38:50):
kind of like jokingly, like yeah, serious,
and she got quiet and I'm likedid god tell you who I'm gonna
marry?
Alycia Lovingier (38:59):
and she, she didn't say anything.
I was like is it so?
And so, and she was like well,no.
And then she's like now, whatis it so?
And so she's like no.
And then I mentioned Scott'sname and she, quiet like
grasshoppers.
I was like well, good grief.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (39:11):
Why didn't you just say it?
Alycia Lovingier (39:12):
if you're gonna do that, I was like really
like, really that's that's andshe's like that's.
You know, that's what God Godshowed me and I was like, yeah,
that's not gonna happen, becauseI just wasn't.
That's not where I was in mylife and then I kind of make the
joke of you know God's not who.
(39:33):
I was interested at the time soI don't.
I'm not going to marry him,like that's not going to be the
guy.
These are the guys.
This is the guys this is the guyI'm interested in.
These are the guys.
You need these guys, but notthis guy, you know, type thing.
So I just so, when thathappened, and then he was always
at my, and then we're allhanging out Like we had a group
(39:53):
of friends and he was alwaysthere.
So I'm like, oh my gosh, he'slike everywhere.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (39:58):
Were you friends with the guy friend she
was interested in?
They went to different churches.
Scott Lovingier (40:01):
They went to different churches.
Alycia Lovingier (40:02):
They were in a different part of California.
One was close, but the otherone was more central California.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (40:07):
Okay,
Alycia Lovingier (40:07):
so they weren't like super close, yeah.
but yeah, and I was definitelyI'm God just like turned my
heart.
I think he had to turn my heartobey from him during this
transitional time, in the senseof he needed God to make it need
to be all about God not aboutme and that was, you know.
(40:29):
It worked out for me at thattime because I was kind of going
for my own thing of like.
I said you're not going to tellme who I'm going to marry, I'm
not marrying this guy typeattitude rebellious teenager
yeah so you're 20 I teenageradjacent
um but yeah, that was kind oflike that's kind of where my
mind was when and he was just hewas always at the house, yeah.
(40:50):
So I was like tired of seeinghim all the time.
I was like why are you alwayshere, type thing.
So that was kind of where mymind I mean she was
Scott Lovingier (40:57):
, she was not nice to me.
I mean like really not nice tome
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (41:02):
.
She wouldn't make you a PB andJ sandwich or anything.
Scott Lovingier (41:05):
She was not going to make me a sandwich, you
know, and there was one timeand this is this is kind of the
testimony of how everythingstarted coming together and one
time during the summer she wasjust being extra, just mean,
just for no reason, Like I didnothing wrong to her.
So I was going to tell her off,Like as a Christian you are not
(41:30):
acting like a Christian.
Like you are not being aChristian right now.
There's no reason for you totreat me like the way you're
treating me, um, and and so I'mpreparing what I'm going to say,
and then I was quickened by thespirit, and the spirit said
leave her alone One day.
We'll just click.
And I just left it alone.
(41:50):
Those are the words.
Those are the words.
So I left it alone.
So that was during the summer,and then early fall we kind of
just started becoming friendsagain and really just friends.
So we're just hanging out.
I'm going to school for mymaster's program, so I'm not
working.
She's nannying, so her morningswere open, so we just kind of
(42:11):
hang out in the morning and justas friends, um and and then.
So that's throughout the fall,uh, rekindling the friendship,
and then we kind of go on a dateish more.
We just San Francisco, we wentto a restaurant, just the two
of us your parents went there.
(42:32):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't count, itwas like I didn't think it was a
date either and we just wentand we just hung out and, you
know, went to this restaurantand, um, either the next day or
a couple days later she was downin southern california visiting
her family.
And we're texting, and shesends me a text and she goes the
(42:54):
other night something clickedand you know, God had told me
leave her alone One day.
It will just click Obviously.
I never told her that.
Yeah, and she texts me,something clicked, wow, using
the same word, Using the sameword.
And then she told me and Idon't remember exactly what she
said after that because I'm oncloud nine, because the whole
(43:22):
time, right, right, I'm thinkingthat's gonna be my wife, yeah,
and you know, she's just so coldto me and you know, and um, you
must have struggled oh, it wasa struggle, I mean without.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (43:27):
Did you hear the lord?
Because she's so mean what?
Scott Lovingier (43:29):
oh yeah, I don't get this you know, and
when you look back you're like,wow, that was really a small
period of time that I wentthrough, but in the moment it
was very hard.
I mean, there was.
There were a lot of tears,there were a lot of struggle,
there was a lot of.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (43:43):
Did you cry with her mom, unbeknownst to her
, or let her know that you werestruggling?
Yeah, her mom knew.
Did you tell her mom that youhad had that word or no?
Scott Lovingier (43:55):
I might have I told her a lot.
I mean, she really did pourinto me and mentored me and I
like to call it she kind ofbirthed me into the kingdom and
raised me.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (44:06):
Yeah.
Scott Lovingier (44:06):
You know, and I probably did tell her.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (44:10):
Okay.
Scott Lovingier (44:19):
That definitely would not have been something
she would have told Alicia,because that would have just set
her off even more.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (44:21):
You know, yeah, yeah, but she never.
Yeah, she never said anythingto me, but I guess, I guess it's
.
She's not here to speak, but Iguess carolyn at some point
heard the lord on her own.
Be interesting if she heard itbefore you told her or after you
told her.
It kind of was a confirmation.
Did either of you know?
Scott Lovingier (44:33):
I don't know, I'm actually not sure the
timeline, because one of the theearly, in the first couple
weeks of me, you know,discovering God and stuff um uh,
Carolyn had told me I washaving this weird.
Uh, okay, this is what happened.
I was having this weirdsensation in my arms and it was
almost like the only way I coulddescribe it was like I felt
(44:54):
like I had butterflies in myarms.
Usually you have like in yourstomach, in your chest.
It felt like I had butterfliesin my arms.
It was the weirdest feeling andI just described this to
Carolyn and she picked up onsomehow it was some kind of
something spiritual and she goes, just go home tonight and pray
and pray that god will give youa dream of you receiving the
(45:14):
Holy Ghost.
I went home.
I prayed um, and that night Godgave me a dream of how I would
receive the Holy Ghost, and itturned out later that's actually
how I did receive the HolyGhost.
I just woke up in the middle ofthe night, raised my arms and
God filled me with the HolyGhost.
(45:35):
So it was almost like the movieInception.
I had a dream and a dream, andwhen I'm having that dream, she
wakes up and I don't know if youremember this she wakes up and
calls her mom into her room andsays I'm feeling this weird
feeling in my arms, and so she'sdescribing it to her mom and
(45:59):
her mom's picking up Like that'sexactly what Scott was
experiencing too, and then Ithink you guys, probably more
your mom, started praying for me.
I have the dream.
I wake up, I call Carolyn, inthe middle of the the night it
was like two o'clock in themorning, yeah, and she's like
(46:22):
we've just been here praying foryou.
I mean, these are things thatjust really made god so real to
me.
You know that you can't, youcan't just, you know, conjure
that up.
So just real supernaturalthings, really.
God had to really be real to mebecause I had in my brain as a
young man.
Nobody could ever prove to methere's a God.
(46:44):
How could you prove to methere's a supernatural creator?
It's impossible, so he had todo some real things to grab my
attention.
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