March 26, 2025 • 28 mins
The road to parenthood can be filled with both heartache and hope, and in this episode, we have a candid discussion exploring one couple's decade-long journey through infertility and into the embracing of love with their new child. From navigating the rigorous in vitro fertilization (IVF) process filled with emotional and physical challenges, to witnessing the bittersweet moment of friends celebrating new pregnancies during their struggles, hear how faith played a pivotal role in their transformative experience.
Our guests share the ups and downs of injection schedules, emotions running high with every test, and the social dynamics surrounding their journey. Delve with us as they celebrate the moment they finally received the long-awaited phone call confirming their pregnancy, a life-changing revelation that turned years of waiting into a moment of joy.
The conversation highlights the importance of supportive communities and understanding connections, touching on how to navigate social situations sensitively while experiencing infertility. As they reflect on their story, they convey powerful messages of resilience and hope, emphasizing that God is ever-present in our journeys.
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j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:03):
The vision received was that of blood cells
traveling throughout the body,supplying the much needed oxygen
and other nutrients to thediffering members of the body to
fulfill their purpose.
Once the blood cells are spent,they must return back to the
heart to be refilled beforebeing sent out again and fulfill
their purpose.
Scott Lovingier (00:24):
Do you have any questions before we go through
the whole thing?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:30):
Right now.
No, I'm just trying to take itall in.
I don't know if the details ofthe IVF program is absolutely
essential, but do share whateveryou feel to share.
Alycia Lovingier (00:44):
We went through it like three different
times.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:46):
Three times.
Alycia Lovingier (00:47):
Three different times.
Yeah, 22 each.
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:51):
How long over how long a time?
Alycia Lovingier (00:53):
So
Scott Lovingier (00:54):
Because you have to.
Alycia Lovingier (00:55):
It's like by month, per month.
So basically, it's like theytrack your cycle and it's a
whole process.
Then, once this certain dayhits, then you have to do this.
Then once this day hits, likeit's just kind of like a process
of events
Scott Lovingier (01:04):
Because you have to retrieve eggs at a
certain time.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (01:07):
Okay,
Scott Lovingier (01:09):
So the injections will make you produce
more eggs.
Alycia Lovingier (01:12):
Yeah.
Scott Lovingier (01:13):
And they'll go in and retrieve as many as they
can get.
Patricia Ruiz (01:18):
Because they have to figure out which one's going
to be viable.
Scott Lovingier (01:21):
And then they have to take sperm and try and
fertilize, okay, and then out ofthat that they see which ones
create embryos, and out of thatthey see which ones are viable.
So you, want a lot of eggs tohave multiple options to create
multiple embryos, essentially,so you have better better chance
(01:41):
of better odds better chances.
So we do it twice and we don'tproduce any viable embryos.
Yeah, wow.
Alycia Lovingier (01:48):
So we kind of the doctor, decided, she kind of
narrowed down like we're okay,we're gonna go back to this
first way, because this way youproduce more and my I'm having
to go under anesthesia for theall these processes of them
retrieving them.
So it's like I'm not workingthat that day and then the day
after because you know I'm underrecoup.
Right, exactly, and again I'mhaving like hormones being
(02:09):
pumped through my body, soobviously that takes a toll
emotionally.
And then all while this isgoing on, like I think we're
counting on the way here, sevenpeople in our lives between us
starting that process ivfprocess, or the process of, from
moving here all the way upuntil us finally getting
(02:29):
pregnant seven people in ourlife got pregnant and had babies
and that was probably more thanlike it ever happened in our
entire life.
I'm like so it was definitelylike sure, of course, you know.
I'm like, okay, really, anotherone like that type of you're
probably feeling that Hannahmoment she was everybody's
having kids.
I'm not having kids it was moreof like it's going to sound
(02:53):
selfish, but I feel bad for me.
You know I'm like why is thishappening?
For everybody else?
They don't have to go throughall this stuff yeah you know
they're not having to go throughthis process you're going to
interject.
Patricia Ruiz (03:03):
I was going to say that that was the time that
I met you, because you came andyou opened up with me and I I
had a heart for you and I knewyou were gonna have a baby and
you were, and I told Jay, so wewere avidly praying.
You know, um, and I know thefeeling of and I think I shared
(03:24):
that with you that you have apromise and everyone else is
getting the, everything's goingon around you and nothing's
happening for you.
And then, in God's right time,He did it and look, you've got a
beautiful.
Well, I'm spoiler alert yeah,beautiful baby.
Alycia Lovingier (03:40):
It was definitely that was the part
that was hard because it's likeand I knew that people were
being very not everybody knew wewere going through this, but
they knew that we were kind ofhaving you know struggling, so I
think people were very hesitantto tell us, you know.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (03:53):
Or to just bring it up.
Alycia Lovingier (03:55):
Right, or like you know.
Hey, you know, we're having ababy.
Scott Lovingier (04:06):
And then you know, all these people in our
lives are having at this pointhis family pretty much knew well
, my brothers, yeah, were havingmy when Matt had his second and
Mark was having his first andthey found out they actually
kind of were very hesitant totell me yeah you know, like my,
I think they both told me, butthen my dad called me later and
was like are you okay?
And I'm like yeah, I I gotanother niece or nephew coming.
I'm excited.
You know I'm not.
I'm not upset somebody else ishaving a kid.
(04:26):
My faith is still in Jesus.
That's where my faith is.
I want everyone to have kids,especially I love being an uncle
.
It's really fun.
And so people definitely weretiptoeing around us when it came
to that, and so I think Alyciadefinitely struggled more with
that.
(04:47):
I think just, you know, being awoman, you know that's more
emotional, I think, maybe thanbeing a man uh, even though I am
an emotional person, I think Iwas able to a little bit more
compartmentalize that aspect andjust be like I'm hanging on, I
know God's gonna do it, I youknow obviously I wish you did it
(05:08):
earlier.
Um, yeah, you know, becauseit's it's 10 years, I think.
I think I said this when I was,you know, teaching at church,
like that's like a biblicalamount of time, you know like 10
year s.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (05:19):
Yeah, you know, we don't live as long as
they did in the ancient world.
Alycia Lovingier (05:22):
We don't necessarily have that full 10
years.
Scott Lovingier (05:25):
I'm like man when Aidan is born, he's 41
years old.
Patricia Ruiz (05:29):
But there's Abraham and Sarah.
Honestly, you think about theirtestimony, what their account
was it said her womb was dead.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (05:44):
Sarah Hannah Elizabeth.
Alycia Lovingier (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, it was like in, and all these
things were being taught inchurch around all this time yeah
, just like yeah you know it'slike I'm trying like to take
that part, like obviously I knowGod's, it's not about me.
I mean, I know God was speakingto me, but I knew it wasn't
like.
That wasn't like specifically.
Like you know, like you knowGod calling me out, type thing,
(06:05):
like not everybody knew that'swhat I was going through.
Even people here who didn't knowI was going through things were
praying for me, like prayingfor my stomach and stuff like
that.
So I was like okay, I mean.
I know, like I was aware, I knewthat God was there and I I
think that's the.
That's why it's hard for me toimagine someone who doesn't
believe in God to go throughthat same process, because it
(06:26):
really it.
I mean we, we lucked outbecause you know it took us
three times to get the properamount of embryos and all that
stuff to the right age and allthat stuff.
Uh, and, mind you, I'm having,I'm coming give.
Actually I was havinginjections like three times a
day, but Scott was also.
So it's like the whole physicalaspect of it was exhausting,
like physically exhausting on me.
(06:46):
But the percentage of theembryos taking for the first
time was like 60% that it wouldtake and 40% it would not.
So I was like, well, that's notgreat odds, you know, I mean
it's better than you knownothing, but still not great.
And the odds of it really likehappening on the first time were
extremely slim, especially atsomeone who was my age.
Scott Lovingier (07:08):
It was like 20% or something.
Alycia Lovingier (07:09):
Yeah, it was like even lower Cause.
That's like that 60% is forlike just creating childbearing,
like you know.
Age for like younger, you knowyounger women.
That wasn't like causetechnically I I was a mature um
mature age geriatric pregnancy.
Yeah, the way they do it, yeah,the way they explain it.
I'm like thanks, but um.
So I'm like okay, I was going.
(07:30):
I was like, okay, you know, Godhad promised us this.
I'm like that's still likealways in the back of my mind
going through this process, butI don't, I don't, it was going
to, so I thought it was going tobe.
I guess it was exhausting, likeI mean, I got tired of giving
(07:51):
myself injections and um, but wego, we go in, and this is like
January right, it was like earlyJanuary.
Um, we did the first embryo likethe transfer.
So basically that's when theyput everything together and then
we go in and it's really weirdbecause when we're sitting in
this office, you walk in andthey have like a monitor and it
(08:15):
has a picture of like the embryothat they're going to use.
Because they asked us like youknow, do you really care?
Because once the embryo gets toa certain age, you can actually
find out whether it's a girl orboy, which I thought was kind
of insane to think after likeeight days.
I thought that was a littleweird.
Ours never made it to eightdays.
But yeah, it's just a weird,like whole feeling going in,
(08:36):
like okay, well, this is it.
Like you know, I do this whilethe injections are leading up to
, and so I go and I sit down,like you know, a table and the
other picture.
I'm like okay, and so I laythere and they do everything and
I have to sit there for likeI'm like 20 minutes or something
, just to you know, kind ofrelax and as much as I can in
the situation.
Um, and then we go home and I'mlike okay, it's just so.
(09:02):
ou can see aiden at feeling at8 cells big yeah, you know yeah
like that's a crazy thought yeahyeah, you know, we actually
have the picture oh, wow yeah,it's so cool it's.
It's insane it's really insane to like not
not yeah eight like eight cellsyeah like that's how crazy so I
(09:25):
mean, like that transferhappened and then a couple days
later we had a situation we hadput one of our pets down okay,
and that was really hard becauseit was, like you know, one of
my, not my favorite, but youknow he, he liked me the most,
whatever cats um, so we had toput him down, like two or three
days after the fact, um, but youhave to wait when they do the
(09:47):
transfer.
You have to wait 10 days beforeyou can, like you're supposed,
to do any testing, any, like youknow, pregnancy testing,
because they they want to makesure it takes right and so even
if you took, like a pregnancytest seven days in, it could
still come back negative sobasically they had to wait for
it to attach to the uterine wall, right, okay, yeah, the body
kind of like gotcha, um, so Iremember.
(10:08):
It's funny because I rememberthe day.
I'm like, okay, well, this isit.
Like this is the day, this isday 10, you know, obviously,
with the emotions of having toput one of our pets down,
there's a lot of emotions goingon Like those, like two, like
weeks basically.
Scott Lovingier (10:19):
She fell down the stairs like two days after
the transfer and.
I'm like yeah, first thoughtwas like okay, are you okay?
Second thought was like we'veprobably lost the transfer Right
.
That's kind of I mean honestlythat that was a huge fear.
Alycia Lovingier (10:30):
So I was like I may have, just like you know,
just because I slipped andmissed a stair, you know, um,
luckily it wasn't like the fullthing of stairs but it was
enough to worry.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (10:40):
Still you don't want to jolt the womb.
I mean it's not, it was notyeah.
Alycia Lovingier (10:43):
And so, like I remember, I was hanging out
with my mom.
We went to go to the breakfastand I'm driving home from work
Not from work, I'm hanging outwith my mom, excuse me and it's
like an hour drive right.
So I'm like I have nothing onmy mind Because I had to go get
a blood test done.
We're in the hospitals rightthere.
So I got a blood test done toconfirm you, for the results to
(11:06):
come back, and I'm driving homeand the doctor called me and I'm
literally driving, which isprobably not the best way to
find out, but I'm like I'mdriving.
I'm like she's like you knowthe embryo took.
She's like congratulations,like you're pregnant.
And I'm like what?
Like it was not how, everythinghad played out the two weeks or
(11:27):
the week and a half before likeI was not honestly, I was
thinking very negatively becausejust of how everything we just
dealt with with our pet and youknow the stairs and everything
was kind of like and I'm like oh, okay, like that was.
It was just not the answer Iwasn't expecting and it was not
the perfect time to tell youyeah it was, just it was, and
(11:49):
I'm like crying while I'mdriving home because I'm like
holy cow, like this is for realnow.
Um, and then I called Scott andI'm pretty sure you're like were
you like a home depot orsomething like that?
Scott Lovingier (12:03):
he was somewhere, Joe we were looking
at countertops at a granitewarehouse.
Alycia Lovingier (12:13):
Obviously he's my first phone call.
For obvious reasons, I don'tknow.
I couldn't tell how you're.
Obviously I knew he was happy,but I couldn't tell how he
responded on the phone.
Scott Lovingier (12:31):
It's just a surreal experience because when
you're waiting 10 years, it's'snot like oh, it's.
You know, we've been trying forsix months.
You're 10 years and 10 daysjust to get yeah.
Yeah, I mean the 10 days is along time to wait.
Alycia Lovingier (12:40):
Yeah, you know , but the longest 10 days of my
life.
Scott Lovingier (12:43):
So you know, it's just, it's like wow, it's
actually finally happening afterthat long of a wait.
Very, very just surrealexperience.
And then it's a long, 10 monthsof you know.
Patricia Ruiz (13:00):
I was going to ask you during the pregnancy was
that like weighing on y'all,wondering if anything was going
to go wrong?
Alycia Lovingier (13:07):
For me.
I don't know if I was renewedas much.
Scott Lovingier (13:10):
Well, especially I mean in any
pregnancy.
You're not.
Alycia Lovingier (13:12):
Regardless,
Scott Lovingier (13:13):
You shouldn't.
You don't tell the whole worldin that first trimester.
Patricia Ruiz (13:17):
Right.
Scott Lovingier (13:18):
But there was a lot of people who knew we were
going through this process andso we kind of knew.
So we had an inner circle thatknew she was pregnant before we
told the whole world, you know.
So we've had an inner circlethat knew she was pregnant
before we told the whole world.
So we told her parents andstuff, because obviously they
know we're going throughprocedures, they're going to
want to know.
But yeah, I mean, you're stillat the back of your mind.
Alycia Lovingier (13:41):
If every doctor's appointment you're
still like….
Scott Lovingier (13:43):
Holding your breath.
Alycia Lovingier (13:44):
You know like you're… it's just… and even if
it wasn't like IV normal, likeit's normal for any pregnancy
that to be like paranoid, youknow that something's gonna
happen.
You know, luckily my job wassuper great with like.
, during this whole process, mydirect supervisor knew what was
going on, because I obviouslyI'd have to take time off of
work um more than I like,because I don't like taking time
(14:07):
off work but, you know, I kindof had to.
So my whole like my work, mysupervisors were all like super
great with this.
So I called Scott and I calledmy mom.
Actually then I called mydirect supervisor because with
my job, um, it's a very physicaljob and so they told me to not
like to take it easy, basically,and so at that point on and you
know my x-rays I.
(14:27):
You know I work in vet hospitals.
I can't take x-rays.
I can't, you know, do any ofthat stuff.
You know at I had to be likereally far away from all that
stuff yeah um, so I mean my job,because I had to like there's
only one reason why a personcannot take x-rays at a vet
hospital it's because they'repregnant.
That's the only reason.
So the second I say that to myeveryone's gonna know, you know.
(14:50):
So I was like I mean, it iswhat it is, obviously they're.
They never really said anythingto anybody outside of work, but
keeping that like quiet forthat long was really it was.
It was definitely hard becauseyou're excited, but, like you
said, like you're also kind oflike you're reserved reserved
because you're like you know,anything can still happen.
Right now it's still super early.
(15:11):
I mean even honestly, even upuntil the third trimester.
I because that's, you know,when they're viable outside, you
know that's what I was going toask you.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:18):
Did it, did them, I guess I, I anxiety, fear
of a miscarriage.
little bit yeah, because I'mlike okay, it was a little more
though we knew it'd be hard.
Once you hit that thirdtrimester, you're like, okay, is
something were to happen?
(15:39):
You know it's possible theycould survive, they could
possibly survive also but, it'sstill like I kind of make the
joke that I don't my.
My biggest fear with having ababy is giving birth.
I don't like pain.
So that was also kind of like anunderlying thing.
I'm like the closer we got tolike it'd be okay, I was like
the closer we're getting to mehaving a good birth, I'm like I
(15:59):
don't, I don't, I don't want todo that part.
You know, like that part scaredme Cause I just don't, like I'm
not a huge fan of pain buthonestly, like during the whole
process of being pregnant, itwas a fairly easy pregnancy, you
know, as far as like Comparedto what people told you, right,
because I actually had a coupleother co-workers who I literally
had another co-worker who foundout the same day.
(16:21):
I found out that I was pregnant.
She found out she was pregnantand like two other after that.
So all within like I don't knowa couple of months, like four
of us all were pregnant at thesame time.
So it was definitely like it'skind of cool to have like people
there kind of going through thesame process as you.
But I mean again, like Imentioned before, we're huge
(16:42):
research people, so I'm like I'mdoing all this research about
everything, right, like you knowwhat to think about.
What do I need for my likeeverything.
Is that like your mom?
Alycia Lovingier (16:51):
No.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (16:52):
Your mom, does the ?
Alycia Lovingier (16:54):
She's very spontaneous, Really.
Yeah, we're both planners, soI'm like that's the other thing.
It's like I'm a plan, like youknow, plans.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:04):
Yeah.
Alycia Lovingier (17:04):
There's no planning this.
So when I mean up and I waslike due at the beginning of
october, um, I gave birth a weekand a half before I was
supposed to, which I'm fine with, because I mean earlier I, I
don't know I'd rather not belate yeah, um, and and I know
(17:25):
that's like super common but itwas definitely like not.
I was still like, even when thatwas happening, I was still not
mentally prepared for that, butthe whole process of even just
that part of it was just, I mean, it went.
It was painful, don't get mewrong, but it went pretty,
pretty seamless.
By the time between when mywater broke to when I gave birth
was exactly like the 12 hourson the dot, um, so I'm like I
(17:50):
could have asked for a better,like a birth.
You know, I mean everythingcompared to all the
complications that are my.
You know I had heard peoplehaving.
I can't, I can't complain.
You know, even though it was along time waiting for that, it
definitely like it was.
It was not as difficult as Imade it up in my mind it was
(18:11):
gonna be
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (18:12):
did you cut
did, you did, I didn't want tofor the longest time but uh,
Brian Kelly at church um, heworks in labor and delivery oh,
he does yeah him and Shannonno, he wasn't.
Oh, but when we were, you know,hanging out with him and Shannon
.
Brian's
(18:38):
Yeah, I don't think I ever did for any of my
three kids.
Scott Lovingier (18:39):
I didn't watch Aidan come out.
I didn't want to watch that part, you know I stayed up, you know
yeah, I held her hand into thatpart but I didn't, I did cut
the cord.
I have like a brief memory ofthat because obviously you know
it's a blur it's like awhirlwind everything yeah,
because I mean my doc came in.
Alycia Lovingier (18:59):
She's like okay, it's time to start pushing
.
I was like what?
That was a lot faster than Iwas expecting that to be.
But yeah, I mean everythingwent great.
You know a couple days lateryeah, no, he's nice
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:12):
Is the feeling exhilaration relief
Alycia Lovingier (19:15):
oh, yeah,
Scott Lovingier (19:16):
a lot of, really a lot of relief, a lot of
like.
I feel like purpose has reallyjust been given to us.
Uh-huh, you know, because,cause 13 years of marriage,
there's purpose in marriage andyou know, and purpose in church
and careers and stuff, but it'sa different dimension of when
(19:36):
you want to have a family, youknow, and you have that desire.
Now that he's finally here, nowit's like this rejuvenation you
know, you know, hits you oflike.
Okay, you know, now I feelconnected to her more because of
it.
You know cause?
Now we're raising a childtogether and we have this, we
(19:57):
have this little human that wehave to take care of and share
this responsibility with, andyou know, all of you know, as
any parent would know,everything now revolves around
him.
You know sleeping and eating.
Lack thereof sleep Diapers andgetting him ready for church.
Alycia Lovingier (20:18):
It's a whole thing, Everything you know, is
now he is.
Scott Lovingier (20:23):
You know, obviously Jesus is the center of
our life, right?
But, you know, in in ournuclear family.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (20:30):
He's now but in a natural way.
You can't conduct life withoutright paying attention?
Yeah, because you can't doanything on it.
Scott Lovingier (20:37):
He's now the focal everything because, yeah,
he's one of us has to knowwhat's going on at all times,
right so now it's um such justthis bigger purpose in life now.
That's such a cool feeling youknow, I think being an older dad
I maybe makes me appreciatethat a little bit more than if
(20:59):
I'm Um, and I'm not degradinganybody who had kids earlier,
right, but somebody who has akid maybe in their early to mid
twenties.
You know, like you're stillyoung yourself and your things
move so much faster in yourtwenties, you know now that I'm,
you know about to be 42, I feellike I can slow my life down
(21:22):
enough.
Last night, when he's up at 230 in the morning, he's been
sleeping through the night.
Of course, on my shift he getsup at 2 30 in the morning and
I'm watching him on the monitorand he's just making all of his
noises and talking and you knowand and I'm like son go to sleep
you shouldn't be like doingthis, but then I go in there and
(21:44):
I pick him up and he's stilljust talking away and I'm just
like man, I love you so much.
This is such a great moment.
Still go to sleep, but I'm justslowing my life down and just
soaking in everything that hehas to offer, and I don't want
to miss any moment of that.
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:06):
I'm not sure it's so much a matter of your
age.
I think it's a matter that youwaited 13 years anybody that
waits 13 years for a child.
You could have been 30 by thetime you finally got a chance.
The 13 years, it's that wholeprocess, that whole trying, yeah
that.
And you kept.
Both of you said you know, theLord said we're going to have a
baby.
(22:26):
Was that through the propheticwords of them laying hands on
you?
Is that what you guys wereholding on to?
Alycia Lovingier (22:31):
yeah, it was multiple people who didn't
really know the situation thatwe're going through even before
we knew we were having we weregoing to have issues yeah, even
before.
The joke was kind of like whenwe first got married they spoke
over.
She spoke over the pastor'swife.
The pastor's wife was a couplethat visited.
She spoke over us and made acomment about you know, are you
guys wanting to have kids?
And everybody who knew us atthat time knew I was not yeah
(22:53):
not about that yet.
Um, I was not about that yet,yeah, so people like chuckled
when she said that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:01):
But then well , earlier you said when, when,
when you were talking about thisa little while ago, you said
you thought it was going to belike two or three month delay.
It's okay.
Scott Lovingier (23:09):
Sorry, what was that again?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:12):
No, no.
When you first started sharingthe story, you thought it was
going to only be a two or threemonth delay.
What was it?
13 years in total.
Scott Lovingier (23:21):
So 10 years of us like, okay, actively, like,
let's start now.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:32):
So the guest of honor has come.
I don't know if you heard himor caught him, but we just
brought him in.
I don't know if he'll speak orsay anything before we close out
.
Yeah, he does.
He didn't have like a good he'dhave a good, consistent nap, so
that's not surprising.
But you got to share your wholetestimony and I'm really, really
glad to have heard it in itsfullness.
(23:53):
Do you have anything you'd liketo kind of emphasize or share
with anyone?
And it's like a parting messageof you know, based on
everything you've gone through,that you want to share.
Scott Lovingier (24:06):
The only thing that was kind of coming to my
mind is towards the end.
Here was we talk about inchurch when God heals you, when
He when it's really healing fromGod, you don't remember what
the pain feels like, and andthat's how I feel, with him here
(24:26):
with us now, it's like he'sonly.
He's about to be five months oldhe's only been with us five
months, you know, outside of thewomb, obviously, yeah and um,
but I feel like he's been withus forever, yeah, and I don't
remember what the pain feelslike anymore.
I don't remember what it feelslike to go through the struggle
(24:49):
and the doubt and thequestioning and the tears.
I know I went through it, but Idon't remember what it feels
like and that's how I know thatGod was in the situation that,
in a sense, God healed us ofthat.
I mean, it's not a physicalhealing, but it's still a
(25:09):
healing of emotional healing forus so he emotionally healed us,
you know, by providing a babyfor us, and that's what God does
He heals you and He erases thepain from the past in the same
process, and He's amazing, amen.
Alycia Lovingier (25:33):
You have anything.
I mean just you know.
I mean God's faithful, that'skind of his word is.
That's the thing is like we canalways go back to that, even
before this, just seeing hisfaithfulness and just my, our
life and our family's life, likemy, my mom's life and all that
stuff Like how about his?
Healer it's.
He's always kept his word.
(25:54):
He's always been faithfulthrough the whole process and
it's just kind of pulling ontothat, even when it was when it
was really difficult you know,just holding on to like well, He
did it.
He did it before you know, so hecan do it again.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (26:18):
Well, with our little guest here, I'm going
to close out this podcast and Ihope that it blesses some of
you, or all of you differentparts there's so many different
lessons, life lessons that canbe learned as we listen to this
testimony and you know thatJoseph thing keeps coming to my
mind.
But I started off this podcastnot realizing how much this was
going to be attached to thisscripture.
(26:41):
But you said something aboutthat healing and how you kind of
don't remember the pain, thestruggle and all that stuff and
I think that's true, so that youcan move on and move forward.
But I remember this scripture.
He comforts us in all of ourtribulation that we may be able
to comfort those who are in anytrouble, with the comfort that
we which we ourselves arecomforted by God.
(27:02):
So I think when you need tominister to someone else, you're
going to remember it's notgoing to hurt.
You're going to remember morein detail so that you can really
minister and then really helpbring someone up and give them
hope, knowing that God is goingto be faithful.
So I appreciate you spendingthe evening with us.
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The vision received was that of blood cells
traveling throughout the body,supplying the much needed oxygen
and other nutrients to thediffering members of the body to
fulfill their purpose.
Once the blood cells are spent,they must return back to the
heart to be refilled beforebeing sent out again and fulfill
their purpose.
Scott Lovingier (00:24):
Do you have any questions before we go through
the whole thing?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:30):
Right now.
No, I'm just trying to take itall in.
I don't know if the details ofthe IVF program is absolutely
essential, but do share whateveryou feel to share.
Alycia Lovingier (00:44):
We went through it like three different
times.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:46):
Three times.
Alycia Lovingier (00:47):
Three different times.
Yeah, 22 each.
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (00:51):
How long over how long a time?
Alycia Lovingier (00:53):
So
Scott Lovingier (00:54):
Because you have to.
Alycia Lovingier (00:55):
It's like by month, per month.
So basically, it's like theytrack your cycle and it's a
whole process.
Then, once this certain dayhits, then you have to do this.
Then once this day hits, likeit's just kind of like a process
of events
Scott Lovingier (01:04):
Because you have to retrieve eggs at a
certain time.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (01:07):
Okay,
Scott Lovingier (01:09):
So the injections will make you produce
more eggs.
Alycia Lovingier (01:12):
Yeah.
Scott Lovingier (01:13):
And they'll go in and retrieve as many as they
can get.
Patricia Ruiz (01:18):
Because they have to figure out which one's going
to be viable.
Scott Lovingier (01:21):
And then they have to take sperm and try and
fertilize, okay, and then out ofthat that they see which ones
create embryos, and out of thatthey see which ones are viable.
So you, want a lot of eggs tohave multiple options to create
multiple embryos, essentially,so you have better better chance
(01:41):
of better odds better chances.
So we do it twice and we don'tproduce any viable embryos.
Yeah, wow.
Alycia Lovingier (01:48):
So we kind of the doctor, decided, she kind of
narrowed down like we're okay,we're gonna go back to this
first way, because this way youproduce more and my I'm having
to go under anesthesia for theall these processes of them
retrieving them.
So it's like I'm not workingthat that day and then the day
after because you know I'm underrecoup.
Right, exactly, and again I'mhaving like hormones being
(02:09):
pumped through my body, soobviously that takes a toll
emotionally.
And then all while this isgoing on, like I think we're
counting on the way here, sevenpeople in our lives between us
starting that process ivfprocess, or the process of, from
moving here all the way upuntil us finally getting
(02:29):
pregnant seven people in ourlife got pregnant and had babies
and that was probably more thanlike it ever happened in our
entire life.
I'm like so it was definitelylike sure, of course, you know.
I'm like, okay, really, anotherone like that type of you're
probably feeling that Hannahmoment she was everybody's
having kids.
I'm not having kids it was moreof like it's going to sound
(02:53):
selfish, but I feel bad for me.
You know I'm like why is thishappening?
For everybody else?
They don't have to go throughall this stuff yeah you know
they're not having to go throughthis process you're going to
interject.
Patricia Ruiz (03:03):
I was going to say that that was the time that
I met you, because you came andyou opened up with me and I I
had a heart for you and I knewyou were gonna have a baby and
you were, and I told Jay, so wewere avidly praying.
You know, um, and I know thefeeling of and I think I shared
(03:24):
that with you that you have apromise and everyone else is
getting the, everything's goingon around you and nothing's
happening for you.
And then, in God's right time,He did it and look, you've got a
beautiful.
Well, I'm spoiler alert yeah,beautiful baby.
Alycia Lovingier (03:40):
It was definitely that was the part
that was hard because it's likeand I knew that people were
being very not everybody knew wewere going through this, but
they knew that we were kind ofhaving you know struggling, so I
think people were very hesitantto tell us, you know.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (03:53):
Or to just bring it up.
Alycia Lovingier (03:55):
Right, or like you know.
Hey, you know, we're having ababy.
Scott Lovingier (04:06):
And then you know, all these people in our
lives are having at this pointhis family pretty much knew well
, my brothers, yeah, were havingmy when Matt had his second and
Mark was having his first andthey found out they actually
kind of were very hesitant totell me yeah you know, like my,
I think they both told me, butthen my dad called me later and
was like are you okay?
And I'm like yeah, I I gotanother niece or nephew coming.
I'm excited.
You know I'm not.
I'm not upset somebody else ishaving a kid.
(04:26):
My faith is still in Jesus.
That's where my faith is.
I want everyone to have kids,especially I love being an uncle
.
It's really fun.
And so people definitely weretiptoeing around us when it came
to that, and so I think Alyciadefinitely struggled more with
that.
(04:47):
I think just, you know, being awoman, you know that's more
emotional, I think, maybe thanbeing a man uh, even though I am
an emotional person, I think Iwas able to a little bit more
compartmentalize that aspect andjust be like I'm hanging on, I
know God's gonna do it, I youknow obviously I wish you did it
(05:08):
earlier.
Um, yeah, you know, becauseit's it's 10 years, I think.
I think I said this when I was,you know, teaching at church,
like that's like a biblicalamount of time, you know like 10
year s.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (05:19):
Yeah, you know, we don't live as long as
they did in the ancient world.
Alycia Lovingier (05:22):
We don't necessarily have that full 10
years.
Scott Lovingier (05:25):
I'm like man when Aidan is born, he's 41
years old.
Patricia Ruiz (05:29):
But there's Abraham and Sarah.
Honestly, you think about theirtestimony, what their account
was it said her womb was dead.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (05:44):
Sarah Hannah Elizabeth.
Alycia Lovingier (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, it was like in, and all these
things were being taught inchurch around all this time yeah
, just like yeah you know it'slike I'm trying like to take
that part, like obviously I knowGod's, it's not about me.
I mean, I know God was speakingto me, but I knew it wasn't
like.
That wasn't like specifically.
Like you know, like you knowGod calling me out, type thing,
(06:05):
like not everybody knew that'swhat I was going through.
Even people here who didn't knowI was going through things were
praying for me, like prayingfor my stomach and stuff like
that.
So I was like okay, I mean.
I know, like I was aware, I knewthat God was there and I I
think that's the.
That's why it's hard for me toimagine someone who doesn't
believe in God to go throughthat same process, because it
(06:26):
really it.
I mean we, we lucked outbecause you know it took us
three times to get the properamount of embryos and all that
stuff to the right age and allthat stuff.
Uh, and, mind you, I'm having,I'm coming give.
Actually I was havinginjections like three times a
day, but Scott was also.
So it's like the whole physicalaspect of it was exhausting,
like physically exhausting on me.
(06:46):
But the percentage of theembryos taking for the first
time was like 60% that it wouldtake and 40% it would not.
So I was like, well, that's notgreat odds, you know, I mean
it's better than you knownothing, but still not great.
And the odds of it really likehappening on the first time were
extremely slim, especially atsomeone who was my age.
Scott Lovingier (07:08):
It was like 20% or something.
Alycia Lovingier (07:09):
Yeah, it was like even lower Cause.
That's like that 60% is forlike just creating childbearing,
like you know.
Age for like younger, you knowyounger women.
That wasn't like causetechnically I I was a mature um
mature age geriatric pregnancy.
Yeah, the way they do it, yeah,the way they explain it.
I'm like thanks, but um.
So I'm like okay, I was going.
(07:30):
I was like, okay, you know, Godhad promised us this.
I'm like that's still likealways in the back of my mind
going through this process, butI don't, I don't, it was going
to, so I thought it was going tobe.
I guess it was exhausting, likeI mean, I got tired of giving
(07:51):
myself injections and um, but wego, we go in, and this is like
January right, it was like earlyJanuary.
Um, we did the first embryo likethe transfer.
So basically that's when theyput everything together and then
we go in and it's really weirdbecause when we're sitting in
this office, you walk in andthey have like a monitor and it
(08:15):
has a picture of like the embryothat they're going to use.
Because they asked us like youknow, do you really care?
Because once the embryo gets toa certain age, you can actually
find out whether it's a girl orboy, which I thought was kind
of insane to think after likeeight days.
I thought that was a littleweird.
Ours never made it to eightdays.
But yeah, it's just a weird,like whole feeling going in,
(08:36):
like okay, well, this is it.
Like you know, I do this whilethe injections are leading up to
, and so I go and I sit down,like you know, a table and the
other picture.
I'm like okay, and so I laythere and they do everything and
I have to sit there for likeI'm like 20 minutes or something
, just to you know, kind ofrelax and as much as I can in
the situation.
Um, and then we go home and I'mlike okay, it's just so.
(09:02):
ou can see aiden at feeling at8 cells big yeah, you know yeah
like that's a crazy thought yeahyeah, you know, we actually
have the picture oh, wow yeah,it's so cool it's.
It's insane it's really insane to like not
not yeah eight like eight cellsyeah like that's how crazy so I
(09:25):
mean, like that transferhappened and then a couple days
later we had a situation we hadput one of our pets down okay,
and that was really hard becauseit was, like you know, one of
my, not my favorite, but youknow he, he liked me the most,
whatever cats um, so we had toput him down, like two or three
days after the fact, um, but youhave to wait when they do the
(09:47):
transfer.
You have to wait 10 days beforeyou can, like you're supposed,
to do any testing, any, like youknow, pregnancy testing,
because they they want to makesure it takes right and so even
if you took, like a pregnancytest seven days in, it could
still come back negative sobasically they had to wait for
it to attach to the uterine wall, right, okay, yeah, the body
kind of like gotcha, um, so Iremember.
(10:08):
It's funny because I rememberthe day.
I'm like, okay, well, this isit.
Like this is the day, this isday 10, you know, obviously,
with the emotions of having toput one of our pets down,
there's a lot of emotions goingon Like those, like two, like
weeks basically.
Scott Lovingier (10:19):
She fell down the stairs like two days after
the transfer and.
I'm like yeah, first thoughtwas like okay, are you okay?
Second thought was like we'veprobably lost the transfer Right
.
That's kind of I mean honestlythat that was a huge fear.
Alycia Lovingier (10:30):
So I was like I may have, just like you know,
just because I slipped andmissed a stair, you know, um,
luckily it wasn't like the fullthing of stairs but it was
enough to worry.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (10:40):
Still you don't want to jolt the womb.
I mean it's not, it was notyeah.
Alycia Lovingier (10:43):
And so, like I remember, I was hanging out
with my mom.
We went to go to the breakfastand I'm driving home from work
Not from work, I'm hanging outwith my mom, excuse me and it's
like an hour drive right.
So I'm like I have nothing onmy mind Because I had to go get
a blood test done.
We're in the hospitals rightthere.
So I got a blood test done toconfirm you, for the results to
(11:06):
come back, and I'm driving homeand the doctor called me and I'm
literally driving, which isprobably not the best way to
find out, but I'm like I'mdriving.
I'm like she's like you knowthe embryo took.
She's like congratulations,like you're pregnant.
And I'm like what?
Like it was not how, everythinghad played out the two weeks or
(11:27):
the week and a half before likeI was not honestly, I was
thinking very negatively becausejust of how everything we just
dealt with with our pet and youknow the stairs and everything
was kind of like and I'm like oh, okay, like that was.
It was just not the answer Iwasn't expecting and it was not
the perfect time to tell youyeah it was, just it was, and
(11:49):
I'm like crying while I'mdriving home because I'm like
holy cow, like this is for realnow.
Um, and then I called Scott andI'm pretty sure you're like were
you like a home depot orsomething like that?
Scott Lovingier (12:03):
he was somewhere, Joe we were looking
at countertops at a granitewarehouse.
Alycia Lovingier (12:13):
Obviously he's my first phone call.
For obvious reasons, I don'tknow.
I couldn't tell how you're.
Obviously I knew he was happy,but I couldn't tell how he
responded on the phone.
Scott Lovingier (12:31):
It's just a surreal experience because when
you're waiting 10 years, it's'snot like oh, it's.
You know, we've been trying forsix months.
You're 10 years and 10 daysjust to get yeah.
Yeah, I mean the 10 days is along time to wait.
Alycia Lovingier (12:40):
Yeah, you know , but the longest 10 days of my
life.
Scott Lovingier (12:43):
So you know, it's just, it's like wow, it's
actually finally happening afterthat long of a wait.
Very, very just surrealexperience.
And then it's a long, 10 monthsof you know.
Patricia Ruiz (13:00):
I was going to ask you during the pregnancy was
that like weighing on y'all,wondering if anything was going
to go wrong?
Alycia Lovingier (13:07):
For me.
I don't know if I was renewedas much.
Scott Lovingier (13:10):
Well, especially I mean in any
pregnancy.
You're not.
Alycia Lovingier (13:12):
Regardless,
Scott Lovingier (13:13):
You shouldn't.
You don't tell the whole worldin that first trimester.
Patricia Ruiz (13:17):
Right.
Scott Lovingier (13:18):
But there was a lot of people who knew we were
going through this process andso we kind of knew.
So we had an inner circle thatknew she was pregnant before we
told the whole world, you know.
So we've had an inner circlethat knew she was pregnant
before we told the whole world.
So we told her parents andstuff, because obviously they
know we're going throughprocedures, they're going to
want to know.
But yeah, I mean, you're stillat the back of your mind.
Alycia Lovingier (13:41):
If every doctor's appointment you're
still like….
Scott Lovingier (13:43):
Holding your breath.
Alycia Lovingier (13:44):
You know like you're… it's just… and even if
it wasn't like IV normal, likeit's normal for any pregnancy
that to be like paranoid, youknow that something's gonna
happen.
You know, luckily my job wassuper great with like.
, during this whole process, mydirect supervisor knew what was
going on, because I obviouslyI'd have to take time off of
work um more than I like,because I don't like taking time
(14:07):
off work but, you know, I kindof had to.
So my whole like my work, mysupervisors were all like super
great with this.
So I called Scott and I calledmy mom.
Actually then I called mydirect supervisor because with
my job, um, it's a very physicaljob and so they told me to not
like to take it easy, basically,and so at that point on and you
know my x-rays I.
(14:27):
You know I work in vet hospitals.
I can't take x-rays.
I can't, you know, do any ofthat stuff.
You know at I had to be likereally far away from all that
stuff yeah um, so I mean my job,because I had to like there's
only one reason why a personcannot take x-rays at a vet
hospital it's because they'repregnant.
That's the only reason.
So the second I say that to myeveryone's gonna know, you know.
(14:50):
So I was like I mean, it iswhat it is, obviously they're.
They never really said anythingto anybody outside of work, but
keeping that like quiet forthat long was really it was.
It was definitely hard becauseyou're excited, but, like you
said, like you're also kind oflike you're reserved reserved
because you're like you know,anything can still happen.
Right now it's still super early.
(15:11):
I mean even honestly, even upuntil the third trimester.
I because that's, you know,when they're viable outside, you
know that's what I was going toask you.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (15:18):
Did it, did them, I guess I, I anxiety, fear
of a miscarriage.
little bit yeah, because I'mlike okay, it was a little more
though we knew it'd be hard.
Once you hit that thirdtrimester, you're like, okay, is
something were to happen?
(15:39):
You know it's possible theycould survive, they could
possibly survive also but, it'sstill like I kind of make the
joke that I don't my.
My biggest fear with having ababy is giving birth.
I don't like pain.
So that was also kind of like anunderlying thing.
I'm like the closer we got tolike it'd be okay, I was like
the closer we're getting to mehaving a good birth, I'm like I
(15:59):
don't, I don't, I don't want todo that part.
You know, like that part scaredme Cause I just don't, like I'm
not a huge fan of pain buthonestly, like during the whole
process of being pregnant, itwas a fairly easy pregnancy, you
know, as far as like Comparedto what people told you, right,
because I actually had a coupleother co-workers who I literally
had another co-worker who foundout the same day.
(16:21):
I found out that I was pregnant.
She found out she was pregnantand like two other after that.
So all within like I don't knowa couple of months, like four
of us all were pregnant at thesame time.
So it was definitely like it'skind of cool to have like people
there kind of going through thesame process as you.
But I mean again, like Imentioned before, we're huge
(16:42):
research people, so I'm like I'mdoing all this research about
everything, right, like you knowwhat to think about.
What do I need for my likeeverything.
Is that like your mom?
Alycia Lovingier (16:51):
No.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (16:52):
Your mom, does the ?
Alycia Lovingier (16:54):
She's very spontaneous, Really.
Yeah, we're both planners, soI'm like that's the other thing.
It's like I'm a plan, like youknow, plans.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (17:04):
Yeah.
Alycia Lovingier (17:04):
There's no planning this.
So when I mean up and I waslike due at the beginning of
october, um, I gave birth a weekand a half before I was
supposed to, which I'm fine with, because I mean earlier I, I
don't know I'd rather not belate yeah, um, and and I know
(17:25):
that's like super common but itwas definitely like not.
I was still like, even when thatwas happening, I was still not
mentally prepared for that, butthe whole process of even just
that part of it was just, I mean, it went.
It was painful, don't get mewrong, but it went pretty,
pretty seamless.
By the time between when mywater broke to when I gave birth
was exactly like the 12 hourson the dot, um, so I'm like I
(17:50):
could have asked for a better,like a birth.
You know, I mean everythingcompared to all the
complications that are my.
You know I had heard peoplehaving.
I can't, I can't complain.
You know, even though it was along time waiting for that, it
definitely like it was.
It was not as difficult as Imade it up in my mind it was
(18:11):
gonna be
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (18:12):
did you cut
did, you did, I didn't want tofor the longest time but uh,
Brian Kelly at church um, heworks in labor and delivery oh,
he does yeah him and Shannonno, he wasn't.
Oh, but when we were, you know,hanging out with him and Shannon
.
Brian's
(18:38):
Yeah, I don't think I ever did for any of my
three kids.
Scott Lovingier (18:39):
I didn't watch Aidan come out.
I didn't want to watch that part, you know I stayed up, you know
yeah, I held her hand into thatpart but I didn't, I did cut
the cord.
I have like a brief memory ofthat because obviously you know
it's a blur it's like awhirlwind everything yeah,
because I mean my doc came in.
Alycia Lovingier (18:59):
She's like okay, it's time to start pushing
.
I was like what?
That was a lot faster than Iwas expecting that to be.
But yeah, I mean everythingwent great.
You know a couple days lateryeah, no, he's nice
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (19:12):
Is the feeling exhilaration relief
Alycia Lovingier (19:15):
oh, yeah,
Scott Lovingier (19:16):
a lot of, really a lot of relief, a lot of
like.
I feel like purpose has reallyjust been given to us.
Uh-huh, you know, because,cause 13 years of marriage,
there's purpose in marriage andyou know, and purpose in church
and careers and stuff, but it'sa different dimension of when
(19:36):
you want to have a family, youknow, and you have that desire.
Now that he's finally here, nowit's like this rejuvenation you
know, you know, hits you oflike.
Okay, you know, now I feelconnected to her more because of
it.
You know cause?
Now we're raising a childtogether and we have this, we
(19:57):
have this little human that wehave to take care of and share
this responsibility with, andyou know, all of you know, as
any parent would know,everything now revolves around
him.
You know sleeping and eating.
Lack thereof sleep Diapers andgetting him ready for church.
Alycia Lovingier (20:18):
It's a whole thing, Everything you know, is
now he is.
Scott Lovingier (20:23):
You know, obviously Jesus is the center of
our life, right?
But, you know, in in ournuclear family.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (20:30):
He's now but in a natural way.
You can't conduct life withoutright paying attention?
Yeah, because you can't doanything on it.
Scott Lovingier (20:37):
He's now the focal everything because, yeah,
he's one of us has to knowwhat's going on at all times,
right so now it's um such justthis bigger purpose in life now.
That's such a cool feeling youknow, I think being an older dad
I maybe makes me appreciatethat a little bit more than if
(20:59):
I'm Um, and I'm not degradinganybody who had kids earlier,
right, but somebody who has akid maybe in their early to mid
twenties.
You know, like you're stillyoung yourself and your things
move so much faster in yourtwenties, you know now that I'm,
you know about to be 42, I feellike I can slow my life down
(21:22):
enough.
Last night, when he's up at 230 in the morning, he's been
sleeping through the night.
Of course, on my shift he getsup at 2 30 in the morning and
I'm watching him on the monitorand he's just making all of his
noises and talking and you knowand and I'm like son go to sleep
you shouldn't be like doingthis, but then I go in there and
(21:44):
I pick him up and he's stilljust talking away and I'm just
like man, I love you so much.
This is such a great moment.
Still go to sleep, but I'm justslowing my life down and just
soaking in everything that hehas to offer, and I don't want
to miss any moment of that.
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (22:06):
I'm not sure it's so much a matter of your
age.
I think it's a matter that youwaited 13 years anybody that
waits 13 years for a child.
You could have been 30 by thetime you finally got a chance.
The 13 years, it's that wholeprocess, that whole trying, yeah
that.
And you kept.
Both of you said you know, theLord said we're going to have a
baby.
(22:26):
Was that through the propheticwords of them laying hands on
you?
Is that what you guys wereholding on to?
Alycia Lovingier (22:31):
yeah, it was multiple people who didn't
really know the situation thatwe're going through even before
we knew we were having we weregoing to have issues yeah, even
before.
The joke was kind of like whenwe first got married they spoke
over.
She spoke over the pastor'swife.
The pastor's wife was a couplethat visited.
She spoke over us and made acomment about you know, are you
guys wanting to have kids?
And everybody who knew us atthat time knew I was not yeah
(22:53):
not about that yet.
Um, I was not about that yet,yeah, so people like chuckled
when she said that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:01):
But then well , earlier you said when, when,
when you were talking about thisa little while ago, you said
you thought it was going to belike two or three month delay.
It's okay.
Scott Lovingier (23:09):
Sorry, what was that again?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:12):
No, no.
When you first started sharingthe story, you thought it was
going to only be a two or threemonth delay.
What was it?
13 years in total.
Scott Lovingier (23:21):
So 10 years of us like, okay, actively, like,
let's start now.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (23:32):
So the guest of honor has come.
I don't know if you heard himor caught him, but we just
brought him in.
I don't know if he'll speak orsay anything before we close out
.
Yeah, he does.
He didn't have like a good he'dhave a good, consistent nap, so
that's not surprising.
But you got to share your wholetestimony and I'm really, really
glad to have heard it in itsfullness.
(23:53):
Do you have anything you'd liketo kind of emphasize or share
with anyone?
And it's like a parting messageof you know, based on
everything you've gone through,that you want to share.
Scott Lovingier (24:06):
The only thing that was kind of coming to my
mind is towards the end.
Here was we talk about inchurch when God heals you, when
He when it's really healing fromGod, you don't remember what
the pain feels like, and andthat's how I feel, with him here
(24:26):
with us now, it's like he'sonly.
He's about to be five months oldhe's only been with us five
months, you know, outside of thewomb, obviously, yeah and um,
but I feel like he's been withus forever, yeah, and I don't
remember what the pain feelslike anymore.
I don't remember what it feelslike to go through the struggle
(24:49):
and the doubt and thequestioning and the tears.
I know I went through it, but Idon't remember what it feels
like and that's how I know thatGod was in the situation that,
in a sense, God healed us ofthat.
I mean, it's not a physicalhealing, but it's still a
(25:09):
healing of emotional healing forus so he emotionally healed us,
you know, by providing a babyfor us, and that's what God does
He heals you and He erases thepain from the past in the same
process, and He's amazing, amen.
Alycia Lovingier (25:33):
You have anything.
I mean just you know.
I mean God's faithful, that'skind of his word is.
That's the thing is like we canalways go back to that, even
before this, just seeing hisfaithfulness and just my, our
life and our family's life, likemy, my mom's life and all that
stuff Like how about his?
Healer it's.
He's always kept his word.
(25:54):
He's always been faithfulthrough the whole process and
it's just kind of pulling ontothat, even when it was when it
was really difficult you know,just holding on to like well, He
did it.
He did it before you know, so hecan do it again.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz (26:18):
Well, with our little guest here, I'm going
to close out this podcast and Ihope that it blesses some of
you, or all of you differentparts there's so many different
lessons, life lessons that canbe learned as we listen to this
testimony and you know thatJoseph thing keeps coming to my
mind.
But I started off this podcastnot realizing how much this was
going to be attached to thisscripture.
(26:41):
But you said something aboutthat healing and how you kind of
don't remember the pain, thestruggle and all that stuff and
I think that's true, so that youcan move on and move forward.
But I remember this scripture.
He comforts us in all of ourtribulation that we may be able
to comfort those who are in anytrouble, with the comfort that
we which we ourselves arecomforted by God.
(27:02):
So I think when you need tominister to someone else, you're
going to remember it's notgoing to hurt.
You're going to remember morein detail so that you can really
minister and then really helpbring someone up and give them
hope, knowing that God is goingto be faithful.
So I appreciate you spendingthe evening with us.
(27:22):
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