January 22, 2024 • 34 mins
Man, last few episodes were a little deep and existential… impossible to say whose fault that is… so here’s a super fun off the cuff episode where Harry and Jack discuss driving because they had nothing better to talk about. Does Jack drive like a maniac? (No.) Is Harry an enlightened being? (Also no.) Who writes these intros? (The world may never know.) Hope you enjoy!
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Harry Weidner (00:04):
All right, welcome back to our tangled
mines. Welcome to Arts. I'mHarry Weidner. I'm Jack back.
NAT is you got it this time.
Jack Weidner (00:12):
I got it. I'll do it. I got it.
Harry Weidner (00:14):
Welcome to mid January episode 22.
Jack Weidner (00:17):
That's it. We're episode 2022 Happy
Harry Weidner (00:19):
New Year. Things are good. I'm back in Boston,
Jack's back in Maryland. I wasjust saying how it's nice to be
back on. Like my home baselaptop. I'm comfortable in my
desk, my bedroom again. Andwe'll have the regular intro and
outro music so that I won't haveto say anything.
Jack Weidner (00:41):
You are a creature of habit. And yeah, it
Harry Weidner (00:43):
just it just feels good. I'm, I started class
yesterday and you and I didn'twe didn't chat about this when
we know I wanted to ask herthat. Yeah, it was fine. I think
it's gonna be really cool class.
It's data to dashboards. And oh,yeah, well, I'm a slot for a
good data visualization. So II'm actually really looking
forward to it
Jack Weidner (01:03):
just a whore for Excel sheet.
Harry Weidner (01:04):
Yeah, it's it is it really is like Excel, making
dashboards in Excel. Anyway,what's new with you? What's
going on?
Jack Weidner (01:13):
Nothing. diddly squat. I saw Sondheim's Stephen
Sondheim's last Broadway show.
It was off Broadway. So I guessit was his last musical ever.
Wow. This past weekend, it wasincredible. Well,
Harry Weidner (01:28):
what was it?
Jack Weidner (01:28):
It was called?
Here we are. And it was a lot ofpeople in the audience. I hate
going to shows. Becauseinevitably I will come across
people of my own breed theaterchildren. And I hate them. I
hate seeing shows with theaterkids. It's a terrible and I'm
gonna
Harry Weidner (01:47):
get a lot of hate. Now you know what it was
like growing up with you? Dude,
Jack Weidner (01:50):
I can't even imagine. It was like growing up
with me. It's like we you know,like, we sit there and then,
like we say things where we'relike, oh, well, I like I
literally heard someone say, Ilike surrealist theater, but
only if it's accessible. Andthen I don't like it. I'm like,
okay, so you don't likesurrealist theater. You like
weird things that youunderstand. Like, that's not
(02:11):
like you're not supposed tounderstand, whatever. It doesn't
matter. But like the people saythese things that I just kept
hearing surrealist surrealistsurrealism, like, I don't know,
if it's surrealist? Like, what'shappening is absurd. I guess a
realist is absurd. I don't know.
It was a big thing. Butessentially, it's it's very,
like waiting for good dough,where it's like, weird things.
Like we're like, we're gettingvery philosophical. It's very
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metaphysical, physical, and youknow, now I sound like the
people at the frickin shop. You
Harry Weidner (02:42):
are the people at the show. I know.
Jack Weidner (02:45):
Essentially, there's people go into a
restaurant, things are goingwrong. And at some point, they
get stuck in a room. So thefirst act is then finding a
place to eat. And the second actis that being stuck in the place
that they ate. Okay, and inlike, crazy. Okay, no, nothing.
(03:06):
You don't have to say anything.
It was it was incredible. It wasso the music I thought people
said it was underdeveloped. Ithought it was great. It
reminded me and I love itbecause you talk to people who
like Stephen Sondheim. Andthey'll say, Oh, I this sounded
like this show that I justlistened to two weeks ago. And I
had just listened to Sunday inthe Park with George. So it made
(03:26):
me think of something differentwith George but people were
like, Oh, I just saw Marilee andit sounds just like Marilee. And
I'm like, okay, so what you'resaying is it sounds like the
Stephen Sondheim show that youjust saw because so I thought he
did a nice job. Like I don'tthink it was as like something
else is other people said. Funnything. I did see Alexis Buczek
at the show. She was at the sameshow.
Harry Weidner (03:47):
Oh, Mom told me that you saw her and I went out
and I don't remember
Jack Weidner (03:50):
that. It was Yes you do.
Harry Weidner (03:52):
I know. I like I know her name. And we're not
like I don't know I wouldn't beable
Jack Weidner (04:01):
to my friend that I got drinks with thereafter. So
that's nice. Yeah, it was nice.
Cool. I got a Manhattan inManhattan. Crazy. Yeah, very
meta. Almost as mad as the shoplook.
Harry Weidner (04:13):
what else what else is new? Anything good?
Jack Weidner (04:16):
Nothing. No, nothing? What is good? It snowed
here. That's actually reallynice to see. So there's snow
Harry Weidner (04:22):
here. And yeah, I love it. I was convinced that
Boston was a fraud because whenI got back here after there
being like a foot foot and ahalf of snow back at home, there
was no snow and it was warm. Andit was nice. But no, it's it's
properly cold here. And it'sgoing to be 12 degrees tomorrow.
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Their shirt. Yeah. And there'ssnow and ice on the sidewalks.
And you know, it's it's winter.
We're in it.
Jack Weidner (04:51):
I get snow here and never snows here. When it
snows here. It shuts down. It'snuts. No one is prepared. They
shut down school today. Wow.
They just closed it. There's noteven snow collecting on the
ground. They said it might snow.
Harry Weidner (05:12):
I think the like Brian, who lives down in
Knoxville, he said they got somesnow and like it was chaos down
there. So it's these people gonuts South man. It's a weird
place. Well, alright, well, Iguess that's a good transition.
Because what drive what happenswhen it snows, people can't
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drive. And so we're gonna talkabout driving. Yeah, much like
the other weeks Jack and I hadno idea what to talk about this
week. And
Jack Weidner (05:46):
I told her I want to be the Seinfeld of podcasts
where we pick the most randomtopic about nothing and talk
about it.
Harry Weidner (05:54):
Well, I think we're forgetting that the point
of the pie, like, yes, the pointof the podcast is to give people
a product. Well, no, it was forus to catch up. Right? That's
like my goal number one, butalso like, maybe have some sort
of intellectual conversations.
Oh, yeah, sure. And well, youknow, but who gives a shit?
(06:15):
We'll talk about driving. Oh, I
Jack Weidner (06:17):
think we've had intellectual conversations. This
week. I thought we needed to dosomething fun.
Harry Weidner (06:22):
Let's do yeah, we'll do driving. We'll have fun
driving fun. This is I don'tknow started. You tell me.
Let's, let's let's start withour history of driving. You and
I learned how to drive at theexact same time. Yes, our
grandfather said. If you want acar, you have to learn how to
(06:43):
drive a standard transmissioncar. So he was the one to get us
our first car. It was a probably2016 Subaru Impreza?
Jack Weidner (06:56):
Yeah, I don't remember that. It was a tiny
little. It was a tiny
Harry Weidner (06:59):
little hatchback.
Subaru Impreza? You got it whenyou turn 16. Yeah,
Jack Weidner (07:04):
I mean, for me, it wasn't that simple. You took to
it very naturally. And Didaexplained the mechanics of the
car to you. And you were like,Yes, I understood. And so you
were better than me a drivingstick. And I didn't understand
it at all. And I was terrified.
So my grandfather taught me in acemetery. And, to quote he said,
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this is a good place to drivebecause all the people here are
already dead. So you can't killanyone. I was bad at it. And I
was terrified to the point whereI refuse to get my license.
Until I didn't get my permituntil like October. Really? I
(07:45):
didn't know I delayed. Yeah,because I had I was terrified to
take the car out on the road. Iwasn't good enough. As a driver.
I didn't feel confident. Hmm, mymom actually taught me that's
terrible. She you know how?
Isn't technical at all right?
She was just like, Oh, you justdo it. She's just like, you just
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feel the rhythm. And that's whatI did. That makes sense. Like,
uh, yeah, it was for me. It wasjust a rhythm. It was a rhythm.
Yeah.
Harry Weidner (08:15):
I think. I don't know. I loved it. Like I loved
going out.
Jack Weidner (08:21):
We have to explain. We don't have to. We
don't explain driving stickshift to people. Right. You
Harry Weidner (08:26):
got three. You got a clutch, brake and a gas.
Figure it out? I don't know. Butyeah, so that's how Jack and I
learned how to drive. And thenUnlike you, I got my permit,
like the very first day that Icould I waited a long I went up
with data. We got the permit.
Got the whole spiel. Did you dobrands? Yeah. Shout out brands
(08:48):
driving school. Yeah, they gaveprobably 90% of last month
driver's license. So we didn'thave to do the DMV test.
Jack Weidner (09:02):
In Pennsylvania, you are not required to take
drivers at for those that don'tknow. Is that do other states
work differently? Yeah,Maryland. You have to take it. I
don't know about other states.
Harry Weidner (09:13):
I couldn't. I have no idea that you now have a
different car. I know how tohave a different car. And we
drive differently. My car is
Jack Weidner (09:23):
not that different from an Impreza. I drive a
Crosstrek. And it's still Istill drive a stick. And
Harry Weidner (09:30):
I wish I still drove a stick shift. But I do
love my four. I have a fourrunner. I love that car. Still,
I think regardless of what wedrive, you and I drive very
differently. Incredibly do. AndI don't even know how you want
to start this like
Jack Weidner (09:51):
how do you drive Harry Tell me tell me how you
drive because I'm gonna likeshit on you. My driving
Harry Weidner (09:57):
is I'm gonna go from point A to point B as
safely as possible,
Jack Weidner (10:01):
which is such bullshit, because sorry, not to
jump on you, because you didn'tstart driving like that until
you went on granola and crossedthe country. Okay, you used to
drive 600 You You drove an Audi,and you drove 600 miles an hour.
And if someone gotten your way,I think you would have killed
(10:23):
them. Had they not been in acrosswalk? You would drive
shirtless? Like I still therewas that wasn't mad there were
there were just no rule. Likeyou were not a safe driver. A
steady driver like this, likeI'm gonna get somewhere safely
was not in your now it is.
Harry Weidner (10:44):
Okay. Yes. I used to have a very fun car to drive.
I've gotten two speedingtickets. Sue me. And you know,
it's
Jack Weidner (10:53):
one of them.
You're going 90 and a 55. With
Harry Weidner (10:56):
Michael rover.
Yeah. But it was a beautifulday. I was in my grandfather's
convertible. And when you'regoing like 100 miles an hour,
and you see blue lights behindyou. You're you know, and you're
17 or 18 years old, you're noteven in college yet. You're
like, oh, I guess I'm spendingthe night in jail. You know, so
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many things were going throughmy head when I saw the lights
behind me. And I was like, Thisis it like, Michael, you're
gonna have to figure it out howto get home, I'm gone. And He
only wrote me if the car who
Jack Weidner (11:30):
has stick shifts.
So Michael can drive stick thatwas the fear and hit and
Michael's mind was that he wasgonna be able to drive out.
Harry Weidner (11:38):
Yeah, the officer wrote me for five over. So both
of my speeding tickets, I wasgoing well over five over, I
only got written for five over.
I
Jack Weidner (11:47):
was also with Michael for my first speeding
ticket. And Michael was shockedat how that worked. Because I
was going it turned the roadturn 65. And I was going 70 but
it hadn't turned 65 yet. So theguy got me going 70 and a 55.
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And he also did the thing wherehe marked me for five over and
Michael, who you swore tosecrecy kept just going I can
understand that I don'tunderstand. I was like what he
said, Well, your brother was hesaid that they did the same
thing. They're
Harry Weidner (12:23):
just I think, like, I don't know, I was nice
to the guy. I was like, I'm sosorry. So we both have speeding
tickets. And then I might sortof drive it, i Yes, I was a
little bit reckless of a driver.
And I do have my two tickets,and that's fine. But then I got
a new car, and I did my crosscountry road trip. And when you
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have nothing to do, but driveall day long, you think about
driving differently. You know,when when your primary mode of
transportation across thecountry is I'm going to be in
this thing for like, anywherefrom four to 12 hours, which was
like the span of driving that Idid per day. You know, you're
just like, I'm gonna get there.
(13:10):
I'm just gonna go I'm gonna puton cruise control. And I'm just
gonna go, you know, you put oncruise control seven over the
speed limit, which is like anice sort of rule of thumb, and
you just kind of go, you don'treally need to weave in and out.
You just, you just go. And sothat's where I got, like, we
could say that I matured by myprefrontal cortex has grown.
Jack Weidner (13:39):
Maybe I will say you're also never late to
things. No, I
Harry Weidner (13:42):
leave early. I leave early. You know, it's
like, right,
Jack Weidner (13:45):
you have afforded that that's a, that's a luxury.
Being like, I'll get there whenI get there and still get there
on time. Some of the populationnot going to name names. This
guy does not allow himself thatluxury.
Harry Weidner (14:01):
So I would say that you are an aggressive
driver.
Jack Weidner (14:05):
I'm not aggressive. I am assertive. And
Harry Weidner (14:08):
this is where we're gonna get into an
argument. Yeah, because
Jack Weidner (14:11):
I'm a seeker so why like why? What do you mean?
Why? Because people are idiotsand they'll take advantage of
you all day. There are rules.
I'm not a big rules guy. Butlike if you come to a stop sign,
and I'm there before you don'tfucking go, like your little
like your ford f 150 can fuckingsit there for two seconds. I do
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not care.
Harry Weidner (14:37):
But like, why get mad about it? Because people are
dumb. Yeah, but that's just afact of life. Like, you will be
surrounded by idiots all daylong. And don't don't get me
wrong. Yes, pisses me off. Butthere are things that you can
control and things that youcan't control. And like, I think
it's totally pointless to getmad about Driving. So
Jack Weidner (15:00):
So here's, here's what happened. I used to be, I
think, a very passive driver,because I learned from my
grandmother. And then I wasdriving in New York. And mom
said, See, I don't think you canlive here. You're too nice of a
person. And I wanted to prove tomom that I could live in New
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York City. So I said, Well, I'llstart by showing her that I can
drive here. So I just tried, andeventually succeeded it being
very comfortable in driving inan urban environment by cutting
people off, or not, likepurposefully, like, I don't
purposefully cut them off. It'sjust like, I'm gonna go, I need
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to be in this lane. So I'm goingto go in that lane.
Harry Weidner (15:48):
Why do we think that that's an appropriate way
to get around like I live in? Ilive in a very large city, and I
have a very large car. And mydriving has gotten me around
thus far. I don't need to beaggressive.
Jack Weidner (16:03):
But you I can't even imagine how long it takes
you to get somewhere in Boston.
Boston is the worst city I'veever driven in. It makes
absolutely no sense. And thepeople are nuts. And the roads
are thin, they're tearing. It'sterrible. It's terrible to drive
to drive the way I drive becauseyour car couldn't do it.
Harry Weidner (16:22):
But I think I think that that's just proof
that there's no need to be anaggressive driver.
Jack Weidner (16:28):
I drive I leave for things five min. Okay, so So
let's, let's go back. Let'slet's take it back. Let's
explain more about Jack'sbackstory. Jack commuted Jack
toxin, third person, he commutedto sick to school, 45 minutes
away, there and back for two anda half years. And Jack is late
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to things. And sometimes he hadeight, I'm still talking in
third person. Sometimes I hadeight AM's and I'm not a morning
person. So I would show up late.
And I didn't want to be late allthe time. And sometimes people's
stupidity would get in my way ofgetting somewhere on time, and
that I don't have that I cannotstand. It's like, yeah, everyone
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has places to be. And I'm notsaying My place is more
important. But if you aredriving like you're the only
person on earth, don't get in acar. Don't even step foot in a
car. And I don't want toalienate our audience. The
number one offender of thesetrucks. I hate truck drivers.
(17:36):
They drive like why do you needa truck to like, it's just
whatever. But they just drivelike they're the only people on
the face of the earth.
Harry Weidner (17:49):
I would say truck drivers drive relatively fast as
they do talking about Yeah,
Jack Weidner (17:55):
except they don't use turn signals, or the like
drive according to conditionlike Mum Mum or they're just
like,
Harry Weidner (18:02):
she's a special case.
Jack Weidner (18:04):
Dude. Like, truck.
I think truck drivers drivefast. See if I'm behind a truck
driver, and they are liketailing me, but I'm already
going 20 miles an hour over thespeed limit. I'm like, why are
you going so fast? But then I'llpull up behind a truck driver.
And there'll be going slowly,and I'm like, if you're gonna
have a truck, at least drivelike it. You know what I mean?
Like, what are you doing? drivelike a jerk. Go ahead. Drive
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fast. Yeah,
Harry Weidner (18:31):
I don't know. I don't let things like that
bother me.
Jack Weidner (18:35):
I do. Yeah. I really tried to be a pretty
passive person in my regularlife. You put me behind the
wheel of a car. And
Harry Weidner (18:43):
that's really because mom told you that she
didn't think you can live in NewYork City?
Jack Weidner (18:47):
I think so. I think yeah. That's when it
started where I was determinedto be an assertive driver. I'm
not aggressive. I don't get roadrage.
Harry Weidner (18:56):
Yes, I will do yes. You know,
Jack Weidner (18:58):
did this is my thing. You will you will never
pass my driving. I will sayterrible things about the person
in front of me and you'll flippeople, but it will never impact
my driving. Like, I won't changethe way I drive for these
people. Road rage to me issomeone who like inconveniencing
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you and you like chasing themdown the highway to like make
eye contact with them. Or likebecoming like, like actually
like using your car as a weaponsomehow, or pulling out a gun
and killing someone else that'sroad rage. I will call someone a
schmuck. I will flip them off.
And then I go on with my day. Idon't remember that. You know,
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it's just like I'm in the heatof the moment.
Harry Weidner (19:50):
So you've altered your definition of road rage.
Jack Weidner (19:54):
I think I've I think come up with a more
accurate definition of roadrage. All right. auditioned
Harry Weidner (20:00):
age to meet to qualify you as not having
roadwatch. I just do.
Jack Weidner (20:08):
I think you're bound to get angry. Behind the
wheel of a car. No,
Harry Weidner (20:15):
I like and I'm not saying that I don't get
angry. But I don't really yellat people that don't use my horn
all that much. Oh, well.
Jack Weidner (20:24):
I mean, you got to use your horn.
Harry Weidner (20:26):
And I, you know, I make it through. I make it
through just fine. I don't know.
I think the most important thingfor me is that I literally worry
that when you're on a road longroad trip, you're going to get
into an accident.
Jack Weidner (20:42):
Me? Yeah. I've never gotten into it
Harry Weidner (20:46):
better knock on fucking wood. Yeah. But it's
like, I don't know. I think thething that scares me the most
about driving is people'sinattention.
Jack Weidner (21:02):
Yeah, so I pay attention for them.
Harry Weidner (21:04):
I don't like that.
Jack Weidner (21:07):
You start drifting? You got to honk? Yeah,
Harry Weidner (21:11):
I don't know.
Let's Well, now that we'vecovered our driving styles.
Yeah. What do you think about? Imean, obviously, there are
ethical considerations aboutdriving. Sure. Let's I mean, the
environmental impact. It's huge.
It's huge. And my car does notget good gas mileage.
Jack Weidner (21:32):
It my car does. My car gets great gas mileage. But
what do you think about thefuture of driving? Do you think
there's a place for it or not?
Yeah, of course, we'reAmericans. Like I'm done being
optimistic about this. If Icould not drive ever again. I
would if there was a public railsystem in this country. That was
adequate. I would not have acar. I get into it. Like, if I
can not have a car in a city. Ijust love that. Yeah, I was I
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was in New York. I parked mycar. I never used it. Because I
don't I don't want to. I justlove to not love sitting on the
subway. I bring a book. It'sawesome. Like, I don't have to
worry about I love publictransportation. I mean to do I
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think that there is a future fordriving. Absolutely, yeah.
Because no one is going to spendmoney on a public rail system.
Because what does that mean?
That means Oh, no, I have tosit? Well, I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna say what I was about tosay. I think it means tending to
a demographic that not a lot ofpeople want to deal with. I
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think it you know, like, Georgecould very easily like, the rail
system, the metro and DC. Thereis not a metro stop in
Georgetown, because they didn'twant a certain demographic of
people getting off atGeorgetown. Yeah, so you have to
walk 20 minutes from foggygoggle, you know, it's like a
whole thing.
Harry Weidner (23:03):
Yeah, it's, um,
Jack Weidner (23:05):
America's setup on cars. And I think it mirrors our
love of freedom, because railsare bound cars, though, in two
dimensions are still I mean,three dimensions, but like, you
know, that we can't fly. Butlike, I think it's like cars are
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more free. Our road system isset up to be free. We like open
land, our roads are set up forspeed. Not efficiency. Not
safety. Certainly.
Harry Weidner (23:38):
Yeah.
Jack Weidner (23:41):
What do you think?
What is your?
Harry Weidner (23:42):
No, I? I share that.
Jack Weidner (23:48):
I know what I expressed that I hate driving.
Yeah, you and you know, we'regoing to for this we're going to
acknowledge again, the privilegeof being able to drive the
privilege of owning your car andthe environmental Yes, but like
that aside, do you like driving?
Yeah. Would you continue todrive like explained I different
levels? Well,
Harry Weidner (24:08):
I mean, yes, I live in a city but I do live in
kind of a public transportationdesert in Boston. Southie has
one tea stop maybe two if youconsider the JFK tea stop in
Dorchester. But it's not. It'slike the tea stops probably a
mile away from me, which isn'tall that he
Jack Weidner (24:27):
is Boston's Metro slash subways. Right? Just for
those that
Harry Weidner (24:33):
I mean, it's it's pretty inconvenient. I take the
bus to school yesterday. Iwalked half a mile to the bus
stop and stood out in 20 degreeweather for the bus to not show
up. And like what do you do? Um,yeah, I was lucky enough to be
able to call an Uber and get theclass but like the bus simply
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didn't show up. So that's a painin the ass. I wish the public
infrastructure was more robustin This city so that I could
easily get from point A to pointB without having to drive. And I
do that, but it has itslimitations like the New York
subway. That is a great publictransportation system. You will
get you can get pretty muchanywhere in New York. Yeah, you
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know, you I would I would arguethat you cannot get everywhere
in Boston easily absolute withthe T.
Jack Weidner (25:25):
And in a time, it shuts down at a certain Oh,
Harry Weidner (25:29):
there's a green losing. Yeah, they it does stop
like
Jack Weidner (25:33):
it has it cuts it like what like 10 DC does the
same 10 or 11, or something likethat? I don't know. But
Harry Weidner (25:41):
like one time, Pat and I were trying to get
home, we were up in the northend area. And we didn't know the
green line was shut down forrenovations. So we went to a
Green Line station, we had to gogreen line to blue line to
orange line two red line. Thoseare all the lines, I think we we
practically hit all the lines.
And it was awful. It took ittook like an hour to get back.
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That was maybe two and a halfmiles away. They it's silly. And
it takes me 30 minutes on thebus to go 1.2 miles. And yes, I
could walk. But the area that Iwould walk through is not the
most safe area. They call itmath mile or, you know maths and
Cass so not the greatest spot. Ibought my bike there sometimes
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when the weather's nice, butit's 20 degrees here. So I don't
like driving here. Sometimesit's necessary. I don't think I
could live as easily here. If Ididn't have a car as far as road
trips go and driving longdistances. I love it. I think
that but I don't like it withpeople. I like it by myself. I
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like a solo drive. I like it'sgood, good, like time in my head
that I that I appreciate whichis the same reason why I like
running without headphones, likejust time that I'm really just
focusing on my thoughts and notdoing much else to. To just
think it's good.
Jack Weidner (27:12):
You run without headphones. Yeah. Wow. Do you
drive with music?
Harry Weidner (27:18):
Sometimes no.
Like if I'm on if I'm on a roadtrip I do not.
Jack Weidner (27:23):
So what do you Okay, let's let's, let's
transition into what we do whilewe drive. You're not a music
guy.
Harry Weidner (27:31):
i i We've talked about music. I am not listening
to as much music as I nearlyhave been. I've been listening
to a lot of podcasts and a lotof audiobooks. While I drive.
Jack Weidner (27:43):
I my favorite time to do audiobooks is while I'm
driving. It's because I canfocus. I was gonna say
completely on the book. I cannotfocus on other books. I probably
should focus a little bit on mydriving. Yeah, um, yeah, I love
audiobooks.
Harry Weidner (27:59):
I just got this app. It's called snipped s ni
PD. And it's a podcast app and Ipay for it. But it's so
incredible, because a lot of thetimes when I'm listening to a
podcast and I want to remembersomething like there are so many
profound things that are said inpodcasts, depending on which one
to listen to. But like there areso many good little nuggets of
(28:20):
information in a podcast. Andthis will like you can hit
Create a snip, and it'llautomatically like generate the
transcript for that episode. Andyou can snip out the little
tidbit. And then it sends you aa newsletter of all of your
snips so that you can activelyreview them and say like, oh,
this is what this person said.
And this is what I wonder toremember. So I think that's
(28:41):
really useful when I'm drivingbecause if I hear something I
don't like need to write itdown. But yeah,
Jack Weidner (28:50):
I I keep a notepad in my car while you're driving.
Yeah, and I'll write downthings. You drive. Yes, all the
time. I would
Harry Weidner (29:04):
like to this like that goes back to our
grandfather he drove with thatgoes back to a
Jack Weidner (29:07):
grandpa, I would like to add a disclaimer. The
one thing I hate about drivingstick. I hate talking to car
people about driving standardtransmission. Because they
assume I like cars or they'relike they just take it they're
like Oh, so you're a carenthusiast. Absolutely not stop
(29:28):
talking to me about engines.
They're like so you're a betterdriver? Probably not. Like do
you feel more in tune with theroad? I'm like, No, I drive with
my knees while I eat tuna salad.
Like, no, I'm not. I drive stickbecause my grandfather wanted me
to learn. So I learned but itdoes not like I'm not like God I
(29:49):
feel the road. Like I'd feelmore confident performing open
heart surgery than someone beinglike, can you fix my engine?
Harry Weidner (29:59):
No, you wouldn't.
But,
Jack Weidner (30:02):
but like I equally indepted BOTH
Harry Weidner (30:05):
Yeah, no, I get that I I kind of appreciate the
mechanical aspect of cars. Whatelse? Yeah, with from like a car
road trip.
Jack Weidner (30:17):
I sing a lot in the car, which is more it's
spent it's more special now Ithink for me because I sing less
in my day to day.
Harry Weidner (30:27):
Do you like driving alone or with someone?
Um,
Jack Weidner (30:31):
I think I prefer to drive alone. But having
someone in the car does not stopme from saying yeah,
Harry Weidner (30:39):
I you know. And we'll end it here because I do
have to run today still. But Ithink that the original version
of our podcast, this podcast wasa striving to Toledo. Yes.
Jack Weidner (30:54):
I think about that all the time. That was actually
my favorite car trip I've everyou know, us in the rental car.
Driving to and from school.
Yeah. That was my favorite cartrip I've ever I think about
that trip. Omaha.
Harry Weidner (31:07):
We had a lot of fun. And that was I would
honestly say the first. Likethat was that was podcast
episode number one in my headbecause you
Jack Weidner (31:15):
showed me this American life. You showed me my
two favorite Mac Miller songs. Ishowed you my favorite live
version of banana pancakes. byJack Johnson. We just had a lot
of good conversations you gaveme Blackwing 602 Which I still
write with that exact same boxTuesday. I bought my rhyming
(31:36):
dictionary because I was whileyou were sleeping. I was
listening to a podcast onStephen Sondheim. Yeah. Well
look at us that look
Harry Weidner (31:44):
at that. That's funny. That's
Jack Weidner (31:45):
my favorite Carter have ever I can't believe Yeah,
Harry Weidner (31:48):
I love that car trip. That's that's where it all
started. That's
Jack Weidner (31:52):
where it all started. That's where we liked
each other. I think that waslike the first time where that's
where
Harry Weidner (31:57):
I was like, hmm, maybe we can be friends. Yeah.
And here we are. I think it'sall good.
Jack Weidner (32:05):
It's all worked out. No, that was fun. No, every
time since, because we have notdriven that we have not done
that drive together. And while Imiss it, I'm like God, like, I
wish everywhere here. Yeah, I
Harry Weidner (32:20):
don't. I mean, when's the next time we're gonna
be able to do a nice drive? God?
I don't know. We'll figure itout. Honestly, probably me
moving out of here. Or youmoving up to? Oh, dude,
Jack Weidner (32:33):
if we could move you to where you might go to med
school. That'd be sick. Ifbecause I've never been the move
Harry Weidner (32:40):
out to Colorado if I get in. Yeah, everyone
hoped that I everyone if youknow anyone at the University of
Colorado medical
Jack Weidner (32:47):
school, if you're at all religious pray for her.
Yeah, I
Harry Weidner (32:51):
hope that I just hope that I get in. We'll hear
about whatever, God three tofive weeks. Yeah,
Jack Weidner (32:56):
I was at what do you say? Well,
Harry Weidner (32:58):
it was two to three, or four to six. On
January 5, so Okay, we're back.
We're down to three to five. Allright, um, what else that I want
to say. It might sound like abig effort. But if you can
please rate our podcast onSpotify or Apple podcasts. It
takes about five seconds of yourday, but it really does mean a
(33:21):
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are willing, that was
Jack Weidner (33:29):
awesome. And email us any of your thoughts,
questions, concerns, hates,likes, loves at our tangled
mines@gmail.com I've read all ofthe emails. And once we get
enough, we'll do an emailresponse episode. And
Harry Weidner (33:45):
we're still trying to figure out I'm still
marathon fundraising. Yeah, wegotta tell you got to figure out
some sort of live stream thing.
Jack Weidner (33:53):
Let us know if you'd be interested in a live
stream. Send us an email becausesend us an email and tell us if
you want a live stream and like
Harry Weidner (34:01):
the podcast on Apple podcasts and Spotify.
Yeah.
Jack Weidner (34:06):
All right. We're snipped, snipped
Harry Weidner (34:08):
it is on sniffed.
Yeah, I mean, it's the samepodcast database, but whatever.
Who cares.
Jack Weidner (34:15):
Thank you. Thanks for sticking around seeing how
this mess unraveled. This is auplifting episode. I don't feel
like my soul was destroyed,which is really what I look for
in a meeting with you and we'llsee
All right, welcome back to our tangled
mines. Welcome to Arts. I'mHarry Weidner. I'm Jack back.
NAT is you got it this time.
Jack Weidner (00:12):
I got it. I'll do it. I got it.
Harry Weidner (00:14):
Welcome to mid January episode 22.
Jack Weidner (00:17):
That's it. We're episode 2022 Happy
Harry Weidner (00:19):
New Year. Things are good. I'm back in Boston,
Jack's back in Maryland. I wasjust saying how it's nice to be
back on. Like my home baselaptop. I'm comfortable in my
desk, my bedroom again. Andwe'll have the regular intro and
outro music so that I won't haveto say anything.
Jack Weidner (00:41):
You are a creature of habit. And yeah, it
Harry Weidner (00:43):
just it just feels good. I'm, I started class
yesterday and you and I didn'twe didn't chat about this when
we know I wanted to ask herthat. Yeah, it was fine. I think
it's gonna be really cool class.
It's data to dashboards. And oh,yeah, well, I'm a slot for a
good data visualization. So II'm actually really looking
forward to it
Jack Weidner (01:03):
just a whore for Excel sheet.
Harry Weidner (01:04):
Yeah, it's it is it really is like Excel, making
dashboards in Excel. Anyway,what's new with you? What's
going on?
Jack Weidner (01:13):
Nothing. diddly squat. I saw Sondheim's Stephen
Sondheim's last Broadway show.
It was off Broadway. So I guessit was his last musical ever.
Wow. This past weekend, it wasincredible. Well,
Harry Weidner (01:28):
what was it?
Jack Weidner (01:28):
It was called?
Here we are. And it was a lot ofpeople in the audience. I hate
going to shows. Becauseinevitably I will come across
people of my own breed theaterchildren. And I hate them. I
hate seeing shows with theaterkids. It's a terrible and I'm
gonna
Harry Weidner (01:47):
get a lot of hate. Now you know what it was
like growing up with you? Dude,
Jack Weidner (01:50):
I can't even imagine. It was like growing up
with me. It's like we you know,like, we sit there and then,
like we say things where we'relike, oh, well, I like I
literally heard someone say, Ilike surrealist theater, but
only if it's accessible. Andthen I don't like it. I'm like,
okay, so you don't likesurrealist theater. You like
weird things that youunderstand. Like, that's not
(02:11):
like you're not supposed tounderstand, whatever. It doesn't
matter. But like the people saythese things that I just kept
hearing surrealist surrealistsurrealism, like, I don't know,
if it's surrealist? Like, what'shappening is absurd. I guess a
realist is absurd. I don't know.
It was a big thing. Butessentially, it's it's very,
like waiting for good dough,where it's like, weird things.
Like we're like, we're gettingvery philosophical. It's very
(02:33):
metaphysical, physical, and youknow, now I sound like the
people at the frickin shop. You
Harry Weidner (02:42):
are the people at the show. I know.
Jack Weidner (02:45):
Essentially, there's people go into a
restaurant, things are goingwrong. And at some point, they
get stuck in a room. So thefirst act is then finding a
place to eat. And the second actis that being stuck in the place
that they ate. Okay, and inlike, crazy. Okay, no, nothing.
(03:06):
You don't have to say anything.
It was it was incredible. It wasso the music I thought people
said it was underdeveloped. Ithought it was great. It
reminded me and I love itbecause you talk to people who
like Stephen Sondheim. Andthey'll say, Oh, I this sounded
like this show that I justlistened to two weeks ago. And I
had just listened to Sunday inthe Park with George. So it made
(03:26):
me think of something differentwith George but people were
like, Oh, I just saw Marilee andit sounds just like Marilee. And
I'm like, okay, so what you'resaying is it sounds like the
Stephen Sondheim show that youjust saw because so I thought he
did a nice job. Like I don'tthink it was as like something
else is other people said. Funnything. I did see Alexis Buczek
at the show. She was at the sameshow.
Harry Weidner (03:47):
Oh, Mom told me that you saw her and I went out
and I don't remember
Jack Weidner (03:50):
that. It was Yes you do.
Harry Weidner (03:52):
I know. I like I know her name. And we're not
like I don't know I wouldn't beable
Jack Weidner (04:01):
to my friend that I got drinks with thereafter. So
that's nice. Yeah, it was nice.
Cool. I got a Manhattan inManhattan. Crazy. Yeah, very
meta. Almost as mad as the shoplook.
Harry Weidner (04:13):
what else what else is new? Anything good?
Jack Weidner (04:16):
Nothing. No, nothing? What is good? It snowed
here. That's actually reallynice to see. So there's snow
Harry Weidner (04:22):
here. And yeah, I love it. I was convinced that
Boston was a fraud because whenI got back here after there
being like a foot foot and ahalf of snow back at home, there
was no snow and it was warm. Andit was nice. But no, it's it's
properly cold here. And it'sgoing to be 12 degrees tomorrow.
(04:43):
Their shirt. Yeah. And there'ssnow and ice on the sidewalks.
And you know, it's it's winter.
We're in it.
Jack Weidner (04:51):
I get snow here and never snows here. When it
snows here. It shuts down. It'snuts. No one is prepared. They
shut down school today. Wow.
They just closed it. There's noteven snow collecting on the
ground. They said it might snow.
Harry Weidner (05:12):
I think the like Brian, who lives down in
Knoxville, he said they got somesnow and like it was chaos down
there. So it's these people gonuts South man. It's a weird
place. Well, alright, well, Iguess that's a good transition.
Because what drive what happenswhen it snows, people can't
(05:35):
drive. And so we're gonna talkabout driving. Yeah, much like
the other weeks Jack and I hadno idea what to talk about this
week. And
Jack Weidner (05:46):
I told her I want to be the Seinfeld of podcasts
where we pick the most randomtopic about nothing and talk
about it.
Harry Weidner (05:54):
Well, I think we're forgetting that the point
of the pie, like, yes, the pointof the podcast is to give people
a product. Well, no, it was forus to catch up. Right? That's
like my goal number one, butalso like, maybe have some sort
of intellectual conversations.
Oh, yeah, sure. And well, youknow, but who gives a shit?
(06:15):
We'll talk about driving. Oh, I
Jack Weidner (06:17):
think we've had intellectual conversations. This
week. I thought we needed to dosomething fun.
Harry Weidner (06:22):
Let's do yeah, we'll do driving. We'll have fun
driving fun. This is I don'tknow started. You tell me.
Let's, let's let's start withour history of driving. You and
I learned how to drive at theexact same time. Yes, our
grandfather said. If you want acar, you have to learn how to
(06:43):
drive a standard transmissioncar. So he was the one to get us
our first car. It was a probably2016 Subaru Impreza?
Jack Weidner (06:56):
Yeah, I don't remember that. It was a tiny
little. It was a tiny
Harry Weidner (06:59):
little hatchback.
Subaru Impreza? You got it whenyou turn 16. Yeah,
Jack Weidner (07:04):
I mean, for me, it wasn't that simple. You took to
it very naturally. And Didaexplained the mechanics of the
car to you. And you were like,Yes, I understood. And so you
were better than me a drivingstick. And I didn't understand
it at all. And I was terrified.
So my grandfather taught me in acemetery. And, to quote he said,
(07:24):
this is a good place to drivebecause all the people here are
already dead. So you can't killanyone. I was bad at it. And I
was terrified to the point whereI refuse to get my license.
Until I didn't get my permituntil like October. Really? I
(07:45):
didn't know I delayed. Yeah,because I had I was terrified to
take the car out on the road. Iwasn't good enough. As a driver.
I didn't feel confident. Hmm, mymom actually taught me that's
terrible. She you know how?
Isn't technical at all right?
She was just like, Oh, you justdo it. She's just like, you just
(08:06):
feel the rhythm. And that's whatI did. That makes sense. Like,
uh, yeah, it was for me. It wasjust a rhythm. It was a rhythm.
Yeah.
Harry Weidner (08:15):
I think. I don't know. I loved it. Like I loved
going out.
Jack Weidner (08:21):
We have to explain. We don't have to. We
don't explain driving stickshift to people. Right. You
Harry Weidner (08:26):
got three. You got a clutch, brake and a gas.
Figure it out? I don't know. Butyeah, so that's how Jack and I
learned how to drive. And thenUnlike you, I got my permit,
like the very first day that Icould I waited a long I went up
with data. We got the permit.
Got the whole spiel. Did you dobrands? Yeah. Shout out brands
(08:48):
driving school. Yeah, they gaveprobably 90% of last month
driver's license. So we didn'thave to do the DMV test.
Jack Weidner (09:02):
In Pennsylvania, you are not required to take
drivers at for those that don'tknow. Is that do other states
work differently? Yeah,Maryland. You have to take it. I
don't know about other states.
Harry Weidner (09:13):
I couldn't. I have no idea that you now have a
different car. I know how tohave a different car. And we
drive differently. My car is
Jack Weidner (09:23):
not that different from an Impreza. I drive a
Crosstrek. And it's still Istill drive a stick. And
Harry Weidner (09:30):
I wish I still drove a stick shift. But I do
love my four. I have a fourrunner. I love that car. Still,
I think regardless of what wedrive, you and I drive very
differently. Incredibly do. AndI don't even know how you want
to start this like
Jack Weidner (09:51):
how do you drive Harry Tell me tell me how you
drive because I'm gonna likeshit on you. My driving
Harry Weidner (09:57):
is I'm gonna go from point A to point B as
safely as possible,
Jack Weidner (10:01):
which is such bullshit, because sorry, not to
jump on you, because you didn'tstart driving like that until
you went on granola and crossedthe country. Okay, you used to
drive 600 You You drove an Audi,and you drove 600 miles an hour.
And if someone gotten your way,I think you would have killed
(10:23):
them. Had they not been in acrosswalk? You would drive
shirtless? Like I still therewas that wasn't mad there were
there were just no rule. Likeyou were not a safe driver. A
steady driver like this, likeI'm gonna get somewhere safely
was not in your now it is.
Harry Weidner (10:44):
Okay. Yes. I used to have a very fun car to drive.
I've gotten two speedingtickets. Sue me. And you know,
it's
Jack Weidner (10:53):
one of them.
You're going 90 and a 55. With
Harry Weidner (10:56):
Michael rover.
Yeah. But it was a beautifulday. I was in my grandfather's
convertible. And when you'regoing like 100 miles an hour,
and you see blue lights behindyou. You're you know, and you're
17 or 18 years old, you're noteven in college yet. You're
like, oh, I guess I'm spendingthe night in jail. You know, so
(11:16):
many things were going throughmy head when I saw the lights
behind me. And I was like, Thisis it like, Michael, you're
gonna have to figure it out howto get home, I'm gone. And He
only wrote me if the car who
Jack Weidner (11:30):
has stick shifts.
So Michael can drive stick thatwas the fear and hit and
Michael's mind was that he wasgonna be able to drive out.
Harry Weidner (11:38):
Yeah, the officer wrote me for five over. So both
of my speeding tickets, I wasgoing well over five over, I
only got written for five over.
I
Jack Weidner (11:47):
was also with Michael for my first speeding
ticket. And Michael was shockedat how that worked. Because I
was going it turned the roadturn 65. And I was going 70 but
it hadn't turned 65 yet. So theguy got me going 70 and a 55.
(12:07):
And he also did the thing wherehe marked me for five over and
Michael, who you swore tosecrecy kept just going I can
understand that I don'tunderstand. I was like what he
said, Well, your brother was hesaid that they did the same
thing. They're
Harry Weidner (12:23):
just I think, like, I don't know, I was nice
to the guy. I was like, I'm sosorry. So we both have speeding
tickets. And then I might sortof drive it, i Yes, I was a
little bit reckless of a driver.
And I do have my two tickets,and that's fine. But then I got
a new car, and I did my crosscountry road trip. And when you
(12:47):
have nothing to do, but driveall day long, you think about
driving differently. You know,when when your primary mode of
transportation across thecountry is I'm going to be in
this thing for like, anywherefrom four to 12 hours, which was
like the span of driving that Idid per day. You know, you're
just like, I'm gonna get there.
(13:10):
I'm just gonna go I'm gonna puton cruise control. And I'm just
gonna go, you know, you put oncruise control seven over the
speed limit, which is like anice sort of rule of thumb, and
you just kind of go, you don'treally need to weave in and out.
You just, you just go. And sothat's where I got, like, we
could say that I matured by myprefrontal cortex has grown.
Jack Weidner (13:39):
Maybe I will say you're also never late to
things. No, I
Harry Weidner (13:42):
leave early. I leave early. You know, it's
like, right,
Jack Weidner (13:45):
you have afforded that that's a, that's a luxury.
Being like, I'll get there whenI get there and still get there
on time. Some of the populationnot going to name names. This
guy does not allow himself thatluxury.
Harry Weidner (14:01):
So I would say that you are an aggressive
driver.
Jack Weidner (14:05):
I'm not aggressive. I am assertive. And
Harry Weidner (14:08):
this is where we're gonna get into an
argument. Yeah, because
Jack Weidner (14:11):
I'm a seeker so why like why? What do you mean?
Why? Because people are idiotsand they'll take advantage of
you all day. There are rules.
I'm not a big rules guy. Butlike if you come to a stop sign,
and I'm there before you don'tfucking go, like your little
like your ford f 150 can fuckingsit there for two seconds. I do
(14:32):
not care.
Harry Weidner (14:37):
But like, why get mad about it? Because people are
dumb. Yeah, but that's just afact of life. Like, you will be
surrounded by idiots all daylong. And don't don't get me
wrong. Yes, pisses me off. Butthere are things that you can
control and things that youcan't control. And like, I think
it's totally pointless to getmad about Driving. So
Jack Weidner (15:00):
So here's, here's what happened. I used to be, I
think, a very passive driver,because I learned from my
grandmother. And then I wasdriving in New York. And mom
said, See, I don't think you canlive here. You're too nice of a
person. And I wanted to prove tomom that I could live in New
(15:22):
York City. So I said, Well, I'llstart by showing her that I can
drive here. So I just tried, andeventually succeeded it being
very comfortable in driving inan urban environment by cutting
people off, or not, likepurposefully, like, I don't
purposefully cut them off. It'sjust like, I'm gonna go, I need
(15:45):
to be in this lane. So I'm goingto go in that lane.
Harry Weidner (15:48):
Why do we think that that's an appropriate way
to get around like I live in? Ilive in a very large city, and I
have a very large car. And mydriving has gotten me around
thus far. I don't need to beaggressive.
Jack Weidner (16:03):
But you I can't even imagine how long it takes
you to get somewhere in Boston.
Boston is the worst city I'veever driven in. It makes
absolutely no sense. And thepeople are nuts. And the roads
are thin, they're tearing. It'sterrible. It's terrible to drive
to drive the way I drive becauseyour car couldn't do it.
Harry Weidner (16:22):
But I think I think that that's just proof
that there's no need to be anaggressive driver.
Jack Weidner (16:28):
I drive I leave for things five min. Okay, so So
let's, let's go back. Let'slet's take it back. Let's
explain more about Jack'sbackstory. Jack commuted Jack
toxin, third person, he commutedto sick to school, 45 minutes
away, there and back for two anda half years. And Jack is late
(16:53):
to things. And sometimes he hadeight, I'm still talking in
third person. Sometimes I hadeight AM's and I'm not a morning
person. So I would show up late.
And I didn't want to be late allthe time. And sometimes people's
stupidity would get in my way ofgetting somewhere on time, and
that I don't have that I cannotstand. It's like, yeah, everyone
(17:14):
has places to be. And I'm notsaying My place is more
important. But if you aredriving like you're the only
person on earth, don't get in acar. Don't even step foot in a
car. And I don't want toalienate our audience. The
number one offender of thesetrucks. I hate truck drivers.
(17:36):
They drive like why do you needa truck to like, it's just
whatever. But they just drivelike they're the only people on
the face of the earth.
Harry Weidner (17:49):
I would say truck drivers drive relatively fast as
they do talking about Yeah,
Jack Weidner (17:55):
except they don't use turn signals, or the like
drive according to conditionlike Mum Mum or they're just
like,
Harry Weidner (18:02):
she's a special case.
Jack Weidner (18:04):
Dude. Like, truck.
I think truck drivers drivefast. See if I'm behind a truck
driver, and they are liketailing me, but I'm already
going 20 miles an hour over thespeed limit. I'm like, why are
you going so fast? But then I'llpull up behind a truck driver.
And there'll be going slowly,and I'm like, if you're gonna
have a truck, at least drivelike it. You know what I mean?
Like, what are you doing? drivelike a jerk. Go ahead. Drive
(18:27):
fast. Yeah,
Harry Weidner (18:31):
I don't know. I don't let things like that
bother me.
Jack Weidner (18:35):
I do. Yeah. I really tried to be a pretty
passive person in my regularlife. You put me behind the
wheel of a car. And
Harry Weidner (18:43):
that's really because mom told you that she
didn't think you can live in NewYork City?
Jack Weidner (18:47):
I think so. I think yeah. That's when it
started where I was determinedto be an assertive driver. I'm
not aggressive. I don't get roadrage.
Harry Weidner (18:56):
Yes, I will do yes. You know,
Jack Weidner (18:58):
did this is my thing. You will you will never
pass my driving. I will sayterrible things about the person
in front of me and you'll flippeople, but it will never impact
my driving. Like, I won't changethe way I drive for these
people. Road rage to me issomeone who like inconveniencing
(19:22):
you and you like chasing themdown the highway to like make
eye contact with them. Or likebecoming like, like actually
like using your car as a weaponsomehow, or pulling out a gun
and killing someone else that'sroad rage. I will call someone a
schmuck. I will flip them off.
And then I go on with my day. Idon't remember that. You know,
(19:44):
it's just like I'm in the heatof the moment.
Harry Weidner (19:50):
So you've altered your definition of road rage.
Jack Weidner (19:54):
I think I've I think come up with a more
accurate definition of roadrage. All right. auditioned
Harry Weidner (20:00):
age to meet to qualify you as not having
roadwatch. I just do.
Jack Weidner (20:08):
I think you're bound to get angry. Behind the
wheel of a car. No,
Harry Weidner (20:15):
I like and I'm not saying that I don't get
angry. But I don't really yellat people that don't use my horn
all that much. Oh, well.
Jack Weidner (20:24):
I mean, you got to use your horn.
Harry Weidner (20:26):
And I, you know, I make it through. I make it
through just fine. I don't know.
I think the most important thingfor me is that I literally worry
that when you're on a road longroad trip, you're going to get
into an accident.
Jack Weidner (20:42):
Me? Yeah. I've never gotten into it
Harry Weidner (20:46):
better knock on fucking wood. Yeah. But it's
like, I don't know. I think thething that scares me the most
about driving is people'sinattention.
Jack Weidner (21:02):
Yeah, so I pay attention for them.
Harry Weidner (21:04):
I don't like that.
Jack Weidner (21:07):
You start drifting? You got to honk? Yeah,
Harry Weidner (21:11):
I don't know.
Let's Well, now that we'vecovered our driving styles.
Yeah. What do you think about? Imean, obviously, there are
ethical considerations aboutdriving. Sure. Let's I mean, the
environmental impact. It's huge.
It's huge. And my car does notget good gas mileage.
Jack Weidner (21:32):
It my car does. My car gets great gas mileage. But
what do you think about thefuture of driving? Do you think
there's a place for it or not?
Yeah, of course, we'reAmericans. Like I'm done being
optimistic about this. If Icould not drive ever again. I
would if there was a public railsystem in this country. That was
adequate. I would not have acar. I get into it. Like, if I
can not have a car in a city. Ijust love that. Yeah, I was I
(21:56):
was in New York. I parked mycar. I never used it. Because I
don't I don't want to. I justlove to not love sitting on the
subway. I bring a book. It'sawesome. Like, I don't have to
worry about I love publictransportation. I mean to do I
(22:17):
think that there is a future fordriving. Absolutely, yeah.
Because no one is going to spendmoney on a public rail system.
Because what does that mean?
That means Oh, no, I have tosit? Well, I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna say what I was about tosay. I think it means tending to
a demographic that not a lot ofpeople want to deal with. I
(22:42):
think it you know, like, Georgecould very easily like, the rail
system, the metro and DC. Thereis not a metro stop in
Georgetown, because they didn'twant a certain demographic of
people getting off atGeorgetown. Yeah, so you have to
walk 20 minutes from foggygoggle, you know, it's like a
whole thing.
Harry Weidner (23:03):
Yeah, it's, um,
Jack Weidner (23:05):
America's setup on cars. And I think it mirrors our
love of freedom, because railsare bound cars, though, in two
dimensions are still I mean,three dimensions, but like, you
know, that we can't fly. Butlike, I think it's like cars are
(23:27):
more free. Our road system isset up to be free. We like open
land, our roads are set up forspeed. Not efficiency. Not
safety. Certainly.
Harry Weidner (23:38):
Yeah.
Jack Weidner (23:41):
What do you think?
What is your?
Harry Weidner (23:42):
No, I? I share that.
Jack Weidner (23:48):
I know what I expressed that I hate driving.
Yeah, you and you know, we'regoing to for this we're going to
acknowledge again, the privilegeof being able to drive the
privilege of owning your car andthe environmental Yes, but like
that aside, do you like driving?
Yeah. Would you continue todrive like explained I different
levels? Well,
Harry Weidner (24:08):
I mean, yes, I live in a city but I do live in
kind of a public transportationdesert in Boston. Southie has
one tea stop maybe two if youconsider the JFK tea stop in
Dorchester. But it's not. It'slike the tea stops probably a
mile away from me, which isn'tall that he
Jack Weidner (24:27):
is Boston's Metro slash subways. Right? Just for
those that
Harry Weidner (24:33):
I mean, it's it's pretty inconvenient. I take the
bus to school yesterday. Iwalked half a mile to the bus
stop and stood out in 20 degreeweather for the bus to not show
up. And like what do you do? Um,yeah, I was lucky enough to be
able to call an Uber and get theclass but like the bus simply
(24:53):
didn't show up. So that's a painin the ass. I wish the public
infrastructure was more robustin This city so that I could
easily get from point A to pointB without having to drive. And I
do that, but it has itslimitations like the New York
subway. That is a great publictransportation system. You will
get you can get pretty muchanywhere in New York. Yeah, you
(25:17):
know, you I would I would arguethat you cannot get everywhere
in Boston easily absolute withthe T.
Jack Weidner (25:25):
And in a time, it shuts down at a certain Oh,
Harry Weidner (25:29):
there's a green losing. Yeah, they it does stop
like
Jack Weidner (25:33):
it has it cuts it like what like 10 DC does the
same 10 or 11, or something likethat? I don't know. But
Harry Weidner (25:41):
like one time, Pat and I were trying to get
home, we were up in the northend area. And we didn't know the
green line was shut down forrenovations. So we went to a
Green Line station, we had to gogreen line to blue line to
orange line two red line. Thoseare all the lines, I think we we
practically hit all the lines.
And it was awful. It took ittook like an hour to get back.
(26:04):
That was maybe two and a halfmiles away. They it's silly. And
it takes me 30 minutes on thebus to go 1.2 miles. And yes, I
could walk. But the area that Iwould walk through is not the
most safe area. They call itmath mile or, you know maths and
Cass so not the greatest spot. Ibought my bike there sometimes
(26:28):
when the weather's nice, butit's 20 degrees here. So I don't
like driving here. Sometimesit's necessary. I don't think I
could live as easily here. If Ididn't have a car as far as road
trips go and driving longdistances. I love it. I think
that but I don't like it withpeople. I like it by myself. I
(26:50):
like a solo drive. I like it'sgood, good, like time in my head
that I that I appreciate whichis the same reason why I like
running without headphones, likejust time that I'm really just
focusing on my thoughts and notdoing much else to. To just
think it's good.
Jack Weidner (27:12):
You run without headphones. Yeah. Wow. Do you
drive with music?
Harry Weidner (27:18):
Sometimes no.
Like if I'm on if I'm on a roadtrip I do not.
Jack Weidner (27:23):
So what do you Okay, let's let's, let's
transition into what we do whilewe drive. You're not a music
guy.
Harry Weidner (27:31):
i i We've talked about music. I am not listening
to as much music as I nearlyhave been. I've been listening
to a lot of podcasts and a lotof audiobooks. While I drive.
Jack Weidner (27:43):
I my favorite time to do audiobooks is while I'm
driving. It's because I canfocus. I was gonna say
completely on the book. I cannotfocus on other books. I probably
should focus a little bit on mydriving. Yeah, um, yeah, I love
audiobooks.
Harry Weidner (27:59):
I just got this app. It's called snipped s ni
PD. And it's a podcast app and Ipay for it. But it's so
incredible, because a lot of thetimes when I'm listening to a
podcast and I want to remembersomething like there are so many
profound things that are said inpodcasts, depending on which one
to listen to. But like there areso many good little nuggets of
(28:20):
information in a podcast. Andthis will like you can hit
Create a snip, and it'llautomatically like generate the
transcript for that episode. Andyou can snip out the little
tidbit. And then it sends you aa newsletter of all of your
snips so that you can activelyreview them and say like, oh,
this is what this person said.
And this is what I wonder toremember. So I think that's
(28:41):
really useful when I'm drivingbecause if I hear something I
don't like need to write itdown. But yeah,
Jack Weidner (28:50):
I I keep a notepad in my car while you're driving.
Yeah, and I'll write downthings. You drive. Yes, all the
time. I would
Harry Weidner (29:04):
like to this like that goes back to our
grandfather he drove with thatgoes back to a
Jack Weidner (29:07):
grandpa, I would like to add a disclaimer. The
one thing I hate about drivingstick. I hate talking to car
people about driving standardtransmission. Because they
assume I like cars or they'relike they just take it they're
like Oh, so you're a carenthusiast. Absolutely not stop
(29:28):
talking to me about engines.
They're like so you're a betterdriver? Probably not. Like do
you feel more in tune with theroad? I'm like, No, I drive with
my knees while I eat tuna salad.
Like, no, I'm not. I drive stickbecause my grandfather wanted me
to learn. So I learned but itdoes not like I'm not like God I
(29:49):
feel the road. Like I'd feelmore confident performing open
heart surgery than someone beinglike, can you fix my engine?
Harry Weidner (29:59):
No, you wouldn't.
But,
Jack Weidner (30:02):
but like I equally indepted BOTH
Harry Weidner (30:05):
Yeah, no, I get that I I kind of appreciate the
mechanical aspect of cars. Whatelse? Yeah, with from like a car
road trip.
Jack Weidner (30:17):
I sing a lot in the car, which is more it's
spent it's more special now Ithink for me because I sing less
in my day to day.
Harry Weidner (30:27):
Do you like driving alone or with someone?
Um,
Jack Weidner (30:31):
I think I prefer to drive alone. But having
someone in the car does not stopme from saying yeah,
Harry Weidner (30:39):
I you know. And we'll end it here because I do
have to run today still. But Ithink that the original version
of our podcast, this podcast wasa striving to Toledo. Yes.
Jack Weidner (30:54):
I think about that all the time. That was actually
my favorite car trip I've everyou know, us in the rental car.
Driving to and from school.
Yeah. That was my favorite cartrip I've ever I think about
that trip. Omaha.
Harry Weidner (31:07):
We had a lot of fun. And that was I would
honestly say the first. Likethat was that was podcast
episode number one in my headbecause you
Jack Weidner (31:15):
showed me this American life. You showed me my
two favorite Mac Miller songs. Ishowed you my favorite live
version of banana pancakes. byJack Johnson. We just had a lot
of good conversations you gaveme Blackwing 602 Which I still
write with that exact same boxTuesday. I bought my rhyming
(31:36):
dictionary because I was whileyou were sleeping. I was
listening to a podcast onStephen Sondheim. Yeah. Well
look at us that look
Harry Weidner (31:44):
at that. That's funny. That's
Jack Weidner (31:45):
my favorite Carter have ever I can't believe Yeah,
Harry Weidner (31:48):
I love that car trip. That's that's where it all
started. That's
Jack Weidner (31:52):
where it all started. That's where we liked
each other. I think that waslike the first time where that's
where
Harry Weidner (31:57):
I was like, hmm, maybe we can be friends. Yeah.
And here we are. I think it'sall good.
Jack Weidner (32:05):
It's all worked out. No, that was fun. No, every
time since, because we have notdriven that we have not done
that drive together. And while Imiss it, I'm like God, like, I
wish everywhere here. Yeah, I
Harry Weidner (32:20):
don't. I mean, when's the next time we're gonna
be able to do a nice drive? God?
I don't know. We'll figure itout. Honestly, probably me
moving out of here. Or youmoving up to? Oh, dude,
Jack Weidner (32:33):
if we could move you to where you might go to med
school. That'd be sick. Ifbecause I've never been the move
Harry Weidner (32:40):
out to Colorado if I get in. Yeah, everyone
hoped that I everyone if youknow anyone at the University of
Colorado medical
Jack Weidner (32:47):
school, if you're at all religious pray for her.
Yeah, I
Harry Weidner (32:51):
hope that I just hope that I get in. We'll hear
about whatever, God three tofive weeks. Yeah,
Jack Weidner (32:56):
I was at what do you say? Well,
Harry Weidner (32:58):
it was two to three, or four to six. On
January 5, so Okay, we're back.
We're down to three to five. Allright, um, what else that I want
to say. It might sound like abig effort. But if you can
please rate our podcast onSpotify or Apple podcasts. It
takes about five seconds of yourday, but it really does mean a
(33:21):
lot to us. So if you could dothat, and share if you can, and
are willing, that was
Jack Weidner (33:29):
awesome. And email us any of your thoughts,
questions, concerns, hates,likes, loves at our tangled
mines@gmail.com I've read all ofthe emails. And once we get
enough, we'll do an emailresponse episode. And
Harry Weidner (33:45):
we're still trying to figure out I'm still
marathon fundraising. Yeah, wegotta tell you got to figure out
some sort of live stream thing.
Jack Weidner (33:53):
Let us know if you'd be interested in a live
stream. Send us an email becausesend us an email and tell us if
you want a live stream and like
Harry Weidner (34:01):
the podcast on Apple podcasts and Spotify.
Yeah.
Jack Weidner (34:06):
All right. We're snipped, snipped
Harry Weidner (34:08):
it is on sniffed.
Yeah, I mean, it's the samepodcast database, but whatever.
Who cares.
Jack Weidner (34:15):
Thank you. Thanks for sticking around seeing how
this mess unraveled. This is auplifting episode. I don't feel
like my soul was destroyed,which is really what I look for
in a meeting with you and we'llsee
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