This week, Dr. Shawna Gann—joined by her co-host Kat—welcomes Dr. Geoffrey Greif and Victoria Stubbs, LCSW-C, for a thoughtful and timely conversation about interracial and interethnic relationships, raising mixed-race children, and navigating identity across lines of race, culture, and experience.
The discussion is rooted in research and real-world insight from their forthcoming book When Family Relations Are Race Relations, and it touches on how societal events press into private life, how couples process racial identity differently, and how families work through tension, silence, and love in the face of cultural difference.
The episode was inspired by a moment of curiosity: Special thanks to Neal Augenstein, reporter at WTOP, whose segment sparked this episode.
And while Loving Day itself isn’t the focus of the conversation, the timing of this episode’s release—just ahead of June 12—makes it a powerful moment to reflect. In the intro, Dr. Gann shares a bit of history about the Loving v. Virginia decision, the legacy of Mildred and Richard Loving, and what “Virginia is for Lovers” means to her personally as someone in an interracial family.
🔗 Resources & Mentions
💛 Loving Day & Reflection
- “Remember. Reflect. Celebrate. Loving Day.” – Dr. Gann on LinkedIn
- Virginia is for Lovers – About the slogan
🎥 Pop Culture Mentions
- Cheerios Ad Featuring a Mixed-Race Family (YouTube)
- Today Show Article – Cheerios Ad Backlash
- A Simple Favor – Film Mentioned
- The Wicked Wiz of Oz: The Rusical – RuPaul’s Drag Race (YouTube)
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