In this episode of Our True Colors, Shawna is joined by co-host Rachel Sadler and special guest Ian Gibbs-Hall—a DEI advocate, thought leader, and creator of Curiosity Architecture. With over a decade of experience creating inclusive environments, Ian offers a fresh framework that invites us to move beyond checkboxes and binaries and into deeper, more curious ways of seeing one another.
Together, they explore identity, belonging, masculinity, and the limitations of social categories—highlighting how “other” doesn’t just mean different, but often means left out. From coloring books to Frozen 2, neoliberalism to Mr. Clean, this conversation is as layered as it is enlightening.
And yes—you’ll want to check out the video version for the moment Ian reacts to Shawna revealing she used to work at Blockbuster Video.
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📚 Referenced Resources & Links
- The Ethics of Identity by Kwame Anthony Appiah: Buy the book | Watch a video about his work
- Commentary on the Mr. Clean Commercial (yes, that one): Watch it here
- What’s a “Soy Boy” anyway? Read more on the term and its cultural baggage
🎧 Related OTC Episodes
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