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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to the ninth
episode of Out of the Blue the
podcast, a platform dedicated tocelebrating inspirational
stories of people overcominglife-changing experiences, who
have found their way forward.
I'm your host, vernon West, andmy co-host for today's episode
is my daughter, jackie West, who, along with being a social
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media and marketing manager, isa professional musician and
Reiki healer.
And I want to especially thankyou, our listeners, for joining
us here today, giving us yourprecious time and attention,
because we know just howvaluable that is.
We know just how valuable thatis In today's episode.
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We're honored to have TaylorDowns of Detroit, michigan, here
today to tell us all about herjourney, dealing with her very
traumatic experience of beingharmed by flagel metronazole to
becoming a certified healthcoach to support others heal
from this very nightmare.
Hi, taylor, and welcome to Outof the Blue the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Hi, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And welcome to Out of
the Blue.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Thank you so much, I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, so anyway, we
basically like to start off with
you know, tell us you know,what really is your biggest Out
of the blue experience withfragile toxicity?
I would imagine that would beit.
So how did it happen?
Tell us all about it.
We're totally in need ofcurious to know everything about
it.
I'm sure our listeners are too.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, of course,
where to begin?
I think the best place to startis when I started having my
symptoms.
So back in the summer of 2022,specifically July and August, I
had an infection that was, youknow, standard.
I had had it before.
It wasn't.
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The idea was a bladderinfection and, you know, my
entire life I had takenantibiotics, had no issues, if
anything, some stomach upset orsomething, but other than that
it was pretty standard.
So went into my doctor, got theantibiotics and unfortunately,
these were like the otherantibiotics.
This was not flagile.
Yet at this point, nothing wasreally working for some reason
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to clear this infection.
So I did about seven or eightrounds of antibiotics over the
course of two and a half monthsbefore they found another issue
that needed Flagyl.
So I had taken Macrobid Bactrim, ciproflaxacin, which is
another really crazy antibioticthat a lot of people have
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horrible symptoms from.
So I had taken all of these andthen, ultimately, I was given
Flagyl.
I was told to take a seven daycourse, so it would have been
two days or two times a day.
For seven days, 14 pills total.
I had to drive myself to the ER.
Ultimately, my symptoms were Imean, with the podcast, it's out
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of the blue.
I had never had these symptomsbefore.
It was terrifying.
It was anywhere from blurryvision to neuropathy in my arms
and my hands, my legs.
I just didn't feel real is thebest way to explain it.
I felt like I was completelydissociated and I was like
seeing myself from an outsideperspective.
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I remember looking down at myarms and not recognizing my own
body.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, it was
absolutely terrifying and I was
just like working from home thatday like casual.
I had taken the morning doseand I was just like working from
home that day, like casual, Ihad taken the morning dose and
then a couple hours later iswhen it had hit me.
So, yeah, and I'm a type onediabetic as well and I think you
know my entire life I've prettymuch always said if I had
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symptoms it was probablycompletely look to something
else as the problem.
And that was really hard forsomeone that's been so focused
on one illness their entire life.
So went to the ER, told themwhat had happened and I was very
lucky that none of them deniedthat it was the flagell.
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Yeah, a lot of people have theexperience of doctors saying
that's not the case.
They love to say it's anxietyand in that case they told me
you need to take a Benadryl, letit get out of your system.
It absolutely is the flagell.
So I was very fortunate in thatand I immediately did stop.
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It went home and I was fine forthe night.
Um, but then that was just thebeginning, truthfully way.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You mean you're
telling me these effects were
long lasting.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I mean, they didn't
go away when you stopped it no,
I still have them two and a halfyears later oh my, I'm sorry,
that's that's.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's a head spinner
, right I?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And all from an
antibiotic or something being
used to kill an infection.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I've had Bactrim
before.
I've had that and I've hadother antibiotics.
Even when I had come home fromthe hospital, I had an
antibiotic that I had to put ina port.
It was strong, but I never gotany symptoms like that.
I think it was still more hadto put in the port.
It was strong, but I didn'thave any symptoms like that.
I think it was still more orless like Bactrim.
It wasn't pretty, it wasinnocuous in a way, but this
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sounds like staggeringly wow, Imean.
And Thomas Talsmore.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah and yeah,
bactrim.
I had some symptoms on Bactrimas well and they're all horrible
, but this was something that Inever in a million years thought
could happen with an antibiotic.
I was completely caught offguard and just in total
disbelief.
I didn't know what I thought,to be honest.
But I was very lucky in thefact that I feel like every time
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I've gone to the ER I'vepresented pretty normal.
I'm like, hi, I'm having thesesymptoms.
Even in that moment, I was calm, I was collected.
I think I've just havingchronic illness.
My entire life has trained meto be pretty calm.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, and it took a
long time to see me, but in that
time that I was sitting there,blurry vision going in and out,
as I'm sitting there, I'mGoogling what was going on.
I'm like what, what couldhappen?
How does this happen?
And I'm so grateful that Ifound the flagell toxicity
support group on Facebook.
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Yeah there are thousands ofpeople in there and ultimately I
immediately joined it.
I can't remember if I wasapproved right away or if it
took a minute, but I was alreadygoing down the rabbit hole at
this point and it was, I mean,sure enough.
It confirmed everything for me.
There are a lot of theories outthere about what exactly
happens after you take it andwhy it causes these symptoms,
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but ultimately, for me, itdamaged my nervous system, is
what it did.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, it sounds like
it would.
That's exactly what's affectingyour nervous system.
All those preliminary visionand stuff like that.
Yep, those are terrifyingthings, I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh, it affects people
differently.
Have you learned through thecommunity in?
In what ways?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, so for some
people you know, a lot of people
are primarily everybody seemsto have digestive issues.
That seems like right off thebat.
It's like you have somediarrhea or constipation.
Something is off.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's kind of
typical for antibiotics.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, people think it's normal.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
They're like, oh,
this is totally fine, until all
of a sudden they're havingextreme panic, like symptoms,
and it's just doom and gloom.
It's like your heart is racing,insomnia, um, just like you
have like sudden like foodintolerances, which I
experienced, um, and so a lot ofpeople they can seem to once.
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A lot of people have theexperience that they had really,
really bad, bad symptoms whileon it and then a couple of days
off of it, they seem to havegotten better.
So it's a mystery as to whysome people you know have these
long-term effects and othershave the short-term effects.
But there's the other theory ofthat.
It causes B1 or thiaminedeficiency which if you look at
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like the symptoms of it, it very, very similar.
And I actually went down thatpath.
Initially.
I did not find out about thenervous system damage until
months later, after I was justreading and reading and reading
and trying to figure out whatwas going on, especially with
the peripheral neuropathy.
That was where I was like thisjust doesn't make sense, like
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this can't just be from avitamin deficiency, right?
But yeah, a lot of people theydecide to take B1.
I did do that.
Unfortunately, the support groupthey're amazing.
They talk you througheverything they tell you, hey,
you're probably going to have anadverse reaction to the B1 as
well, because basically yourbody's just absolutely depleted
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of it now.
So you're having like aparadoxical reaction is what
it's called.
So there was a lot of, you know, guessing for a lot of people.
I mean posting constantly andit's it's so difficult because
you're basically reading yourtrauma over and over and over
again in someone else'sexperience, your trauma over and
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over and over again in someoneelse's experience, which you
know, for people like me whoalready have a history of CPTSD,
it's kind of a trauma responseto just continuously talk and
talk and talk and talk about itor read about it.
So I knew that I needed to justtake some time and figure out
what was going on, stop readingand trying to solve people's
problems, take some time andfigure out what was going on,
stop reading and trying to solvepeople's problems.
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And, yeah, I ultimately I tooka break from the support group
for a little bit just to kind ofwork with my doctor, my
functional medicine doctor, whoI am so grateful for and just
try to figure out how are wegoing to tackle this, because
this is not anything I've everhad to deal with in my entire
life.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Wow.
So the support group, there'sso many people and I'm almost
thinking I'm echoing yourquestion, jackie how many, what
range of other symptoms you know?
Because I think one of the bestthings we can do with this is
put that out there.
So somebody's experiencing that.
So what would you say?
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The range of give us some ideaof all the different things
you've heard?
So it would you say the rangeof give us some, some idea of
all the different things you'veheard.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
So it's funny because
when I first joined the group,
symptoms that I didn't evenrealize I was having were from
that, and there's actually avideo that I had watched that
had created by the Facebookcreator.
Her name was Erin Jensen.
She's absolutely amazing.
She created all these YouTubevideos and I was just
screenshotting every singleslide that had all the symptoms
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and I think I counted I had 24symptoms and there are many.
So one of the biggest ones isdysautonomia, which, for those
that don't know what that is,it's essentially dysregulated
autonomic nervous system.
So it dysregulated autonomicnervous system, so it's
essentially your autonomicnervous system is having all
these different reactions tothings.
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It's an overdrive.
One of those things can be likesensitivity to lights and to
sounds.
It can also be sensitivity totouch, mood swings, headaches,
migraines.
It can be like even eye issues.
So it's very like allencompassing of a lot of
different issues and in and ofthat is also the digestive
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issues.
So everyone pretty much had thedigestive issues, but then there
was people that were popping inwith the neuropathy.
Some people had lost of likemovement in one side of their
face, so almost like stroke-likesymptoms, yeah, and there were
people that couldn't talk.
There were people that couldn'twalk.
Those were the extreme ones, ofcourse, but absolutely
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terrifying nonetheless.
I mean just completelyterrifying.
And a lot of other people haddizziness, the food intolerances
as I mentioned.
There was also for me.
I had a very it was just likeextreme, extreme fatigue, to the
point that I couldn't even dobasic things without needing to
go sit down, relax.
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So I had no way of relaxingreally, even though my body was
needing it.
Sleep would cause me to haveextreme nightmares, or I would
wake up with a heart racing andI would be out of breath,
gasping for air.
Yeah, it was, there's.
There's so many symptoms Ican't even tell you.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's, you know,
very concerning, of course, and
I really think a bit.
I mean, I know of people who,on Facebook for example, who
come on and talk about somesymptoms like that, and I bet
you wonder, you know, if they'vebeen exposed to it, if they
have been offered that kind ofantibiotic.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I wonder how many
people are out there that are
experiencing this and just thinkit's them.
Like you know, I'm having baddreams and all the symptoms you
say.
You could probably write offand say other things, but if you
start noticing all these otherpeople getting those exact
symptoms from this medicine, Imean that would be like a bell
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ringing for a lot of people.
Maybe I think it could take aweight off them in a way, be
something to relieve thisconcern about something greater
going on.
Yeah, so it's probably reallygood to get this out there.
For that reason, what would yousay we should do?
What can be done, do you think?
I mean, as far as weight ofcourse, raising awareness, what
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is the group consensus?
What are they all saying shouldbe done?
I mean, is the medicalcommunity being counseled about
this?
Are they being someone?
Yeah can you tell us about that, I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
yeah, absolutely.
I think the biggest overallconsensus in the group is that,
first and foremost, informedconsent when it comes to being
given medication.
None of us not a single personin that group was told of the
severe side effects, of what canhappen, and Flagyl is just like
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Cipro, another antibiotic has ablack box warning on it, which
indicates that there's also justsevere side effects along with
it, and they always like to passit off by saying they're rare.
They're obviously not that rare.
So the informed consent part iswhat so many of us wish that we
would have just had, and howimportant that is for doctors to
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be completely transparent aboutwhat you are putting into your
body, because if you don't know,you can't give your informed
consent, you can't give yourconsent ultimately.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Right, exactly.
I mean I know that I wentthrough myself a lot of medical
conditions through gettingleukemia and I remember Cipro
being on the table at one pointbecause one of the biggest
dangers when you're dealing withleukemia you have very little
to no immune system after youget a transplant.
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So they had me on all kinds ofantibiotics so I definitely went
through some of that with eventhe strong stuff they gave me.
I don't know if I ever got sofar and I think it was on the
table, but I seem to recall myoncologist saying I don't think
I want you to do that.
He knew about that black boxwarning.
I can't imagine why a doctorwouldn't bring that to his
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patient's attention.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I don't know.
It's so unfortunate too,because I have many friends that
are given it.
It's predominantly given forwomen in cases of BV, which is
extremely common, but there's somany other different
antibiotics that can be giventhat don't have that particular
black box warning on it.
Exactly, I mean it's theirfirst line of defense, for some
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reason.
What?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
is that?
I mean, that's incredible.
You have to want.
I mean, of course, what comesto my mind is it's a money thing
, maybe you know.
I hope not.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean we don't want
to say it we hope.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, we don't want
to think that it's, you know,
doctors being told, being pushedin a way to push it.
Yeah, we don't want to thinkthat we want to give them the
benefit of the doubt in thatregard.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
And I've known plenty
of though, from another
podcaster that he used to workin pharmacy as a pharmacist and
he said that in the past therewas a lot, of, a lot of
conversation between pharmaciststo, you know, really talk about
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the ethics of what they'regiving people and what products
are good and what products areless good and bad.
There was just more of adiscussion and he said now it's
really really hard to have aback and forth because there's,
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yeah, for for whatever reason,like dialogue is not encouraged.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
it's very like
tyrannical yeah, yeah I believe
it oh boy, so we got a definite,um hard road to go.
I mean we have to.
We have to raise awareness andand hopefully, um, the people
out there who are calling theshots about these things will
have a awakening about it andmaybe realize that people's
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lives are in their hands.
I mean it's hard to imaginethat people dealing out
medicines to help peoplewouldn't have that ethical base.
But I mean, then again, justbecause it's hard to imagine
doesn't mean it's not true.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, it's really.
It's frustrating because I knowa lot of doctors.
They're very by the book.
You know they're going tobelieve whatever they've read in
school and they I don't blamethem for that necessarily that's
what they were taught, but Ithink there's.
I don't know if it'snecessarily advancements or if
it's just catching up to whatwe're dealing with now in
society.
There has to be a reason whythis is happening so often to
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people and so severely.
But also just the base.
Stop treating patients likethey're just a number, you know.
Go by each individual, look attheir exact case, look at their
health history.
For me, as a type one diabetic,there is no way I should have
been given an antibiotic thatcould cause nerve damage.
There is no way I should havebeen given an antibiotic that
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could cause nerve damageAbsolutely none.
And I was given two of them.
And that's where it's sofrustrating, where it's like
these doctors have known me foryears and they just threw it at
me and of course, I trusted them.
Why wouldn't I?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Right, oh man.
Yeah, that's a moral issue,isn't it?
It really is.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So you're dealing
with this, the symptoms of this,
every day, isn't it?
It really is.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So you're dealing
with this, the symptoms of this,
every day, every day.
Yeah, it's definitely.
It's a lot.
It's a lot better I would belying if I said it wasn't better
and I had some days, even likeshortly afterward, that were
fine, but it's so greatlyimpacted by my blood sugars, for
example, which I don't havecontrol the way that a non
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diabetic does, and so it's beenreally really difficult healing
and finding ways of not justabsolutely losing my mind from
trying to chase these symptomsand not really knowing what's
going on.
Is it blood sugars?
Is it this?
Is it that it's?
Yeah, it's been a battle fortwo and a half years, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, so that's a
long time of your life to have
to be dealing with somethinglike that.
I mean, even even you know, Imean I know what's even a day
isn't really something youshould have to deal with, but to
have it that long length of atime really, it's basically
beyond.
Yeah, it, yeah, it's an issue,it's something that has to be
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faced and dealt with, and Ithink you guys in that group are
doing a really good thing.
What kind of inspirationalthings do you think came out of
that?
You yourself, I noticed in someof your story you found
yourself wanting to get involvedwith healthcare yourself.
That's kind of an out of theblue thing.
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And my book, you know, it'skind of this, this thing happens
to you, it's it's, it'straumatic, and then somehow
you've you found a way forward,and that way forward is you're
now doing.
Tell us what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah.
So I actually decided a yearafter getting all these symptoms
taking Flagyl, I decided to getmy health coaching
certification.
It was a year-long programthrough the Integrative
Nutrition Institute and it wasextremely eye-opening and
extremely important for me, Ithink, to do that because I felt
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like my health was just failingand I felt completely helpless,
so to then take charge, takecontrol again and do something
with it to where I can helppeople.
You know, going through whatI'm going through, but also
other things that I can helpthem with.
I had to look at that as thesilver lining, because if I
didn't, I would have just beenthe silver lining.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
That's the thing.
So tell us what's the name ofthat thing you did.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
The course you repeat
it again yeah, it's the
institute of integrativenutrition and you've got to.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You learned about
what you're.
What are you now?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
yeah, I'm a certified
health coach, um, so I don't
have any.
I can't like, um, you know Ican't diagnose, I can't treat
technically.
But I can't like.
You know I can't diagnose, Ican't treat technically, but I
like to describe myself as kindof like your best friend in
health.
I like to be, I can be therealongside you, helping you
navigate your health journey,holding you accountable.
A lot of people need that.
I know I personally need thatand, yeah, I've learned a lot
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about gut health and hormonehealth a lot of different things
.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So when you have say
I was one of your clients and
what would you tell me, Likedietary suggestions, tell me
what you would tell a typicalclient.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Health coaches.
We are really designed to helpyou empower yourself.
So it sounds kind of funny.
It's like, why do I have tofind if I have somebody help me
empower myself?
But I think a lot of people,like I was, um are drowning in
their health symptoms and theydon't know where to start.
So something that I can do is Iask questions that can really
help you get on a path offiguring out what works for you.
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What has you know?
What are the silver liningsagain in your life right now
that you can lean on?
What are things that fill youwith joy?
What, again in your life rightnow that you can lean on, what
are things that fill you withjoy?
What are things that give youmovement in your day-to-day life
?
What are things that bring youhappiness, like in your
relationships, your jobs?
I hope you kind of look at thebig circle, the big picture,
which is ultimately the circlethat we call it.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
That's pretty
holistic yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yes, yeah, and I
think that's another part of it
too is I have this uniqueperspective of being somebody
that's been harmed byconventional medicine, but I'm
also a type 1 diabetic and Ihave to take conventional
medicine, so I'm one of thosepeople that have a unique
perspective.
I've been through a lot.
A lot of people that are healthcoaches have been through this
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themselves, and we're justultimately looking to be there
for you and to help you, as weall wanted ourselves and our
journey.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I mean, that's
good for anybody, right, jackie,
which is, I think that'ssomething everybody could use.
That, yeah, jackie's been my um, my counselor, she, she, she
actually got me drinkingkombucha.
She actually got me drinkingkombucha.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
And an interesting
story about that.
I was actually in the hospitaldealing with leukemia and I had
a case of it that I had got onAmazon.
It was in my room and thedoctor came in and he sees the
kombucha and he goes oh good,good, you're drinking that.
I said why.
I said I make my family drinkfour ounces a day each.
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Because I said why.
What's good about it?
He says it's good for your guthealth.
He says the problem withwestern diet a lot of it is that
it creates little microperforations in your intestines
and that kombucha helps healthem.
Yeah, so, and all it is reallyis a fermented black tea.
Yeah, I mean, but it's anatural thing, all natural, and
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I've been drinking it since foryears now and I love it.
I actually love it, and I'mgood kombucha.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
It's definitely not
everyone likes it, so it's good
that you like it yeah, it's anacquired taste for sure
absolutely but, um, I reallylove it and I get this company,
this brand.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
This is not an
advertisement.
I'm not getting paid.
I should probably.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It's called Remedy
Remedy.
They make a sugarless variety,which is I get the ginger lemon
and it's beautiful, it'swonderful and I drink it all the
time and it definitely has.
I think it helped my immunesystem.
It really did.
Good, yeah, and ginger is alsodefinitely, definitely has.
I think it make make help myimmune system.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
It really did good,
yeah, and ginger is also very,
very good for your gut, so thatmakes sense why it's also good
for your gut, yeah, good.
Well, that's good, jackie.
I'm glad you did that oh,thanks.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Um, probably was just
feeling really cool like a
teenager.
Um, I heard I somehow likerepeat this myth or maybe I read
about it um, that antibioticsare, can be found in soil and in
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trees and in the Amazon, andlike in in just so much nature
and like in just so much nature.
That's where essentially theycome from.
And then you know, in theprocess of processing those've
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only looked at antibiotics askind of like stripping us away
of our natural things.
Yeah, but we need them at timesto deal with Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, I definitely.
Every time I've had to take anantibiotic you know it's always
got a side effect, some kind.
Take an antibiotic, it's youknow it's always got a side
effect some kind of whether it'susually the main one was, you
know, the intestinal, the lower,you know the lower part of your
digestion, and they always toldme that's because the
antibiotics kill your goodbacteria while they're killing
the bad stuff they just killeverything yeah, it just wipes
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it out.
That makes me think.
You know the stuff that they'refinding in the Amazon, the
natural sources of these things.
When the pharmaceutical peopleget a hold of it and their R&D,
they isolate those componentsand then they make them
supercharged, you know.
So that becomes very unnaturalto the body.
It may get like results quicker, but is that always the best
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thing?
It may get like results quicker, but is that always the best
thing, maybe?
I mean, I guess, when you'redealing with something like
sepsis or something that couldkill you quickly.
If you don't deal with it, thenI suppose you yeah, you take out
the big guns, but but I thinkthat they're being overused.
And I have to say personally Iactually had that happen in my
life when I had gone into thedoctor and he said oh you just
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look, it's like you have a coldthis year.
I'm not going to give youantibiotics because you don't.
I don't want to give you thoseall the time because you get
immune to them.
And he was a good doctor, youknow.
So I mean that's, I've had thatexperience, so I do know that
it's a strong.
Antibiotics are strong andsomewhat, you know, manufactured
.
I mean I don't know if I trustthat so much.
(27:53):
You know I can name otherinstances, like there's things
like fentanyl that's killingpeople all the time.
It's sort of heroin.
You know it's doing somethingthat an opiate does sort of
naturally, and if you ate realopiate from the nature, it would
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not have such a drastic effecton you.
It might help your pain.
I mean they used to use it inpain remedies many, many
hundreds of years ago.
Then, as soon as they got ahold of it and started refining
it, then they produced thingslike heroin which could kill you
.
You can overdose so easily fromit.
And then fentanyl, which isanother step further now, and I
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heard one of our podcast guestswas saying that out in the
streets now, the people that areinto drugs and stuff they don't
even get the fun part of heroinwhich is you feel good for a
little bit and then you got toworry.
But with fentanyl you just pushyou out.
You know it's like you don'teven get that warm fuzzy feeling
(28:56):
that they get from the opiatewhen they're on you know using
them.
So I mean that's interesting.
I thought because it's anotherexample of like refined sugar,
for example, if you eat a sugarcane it's not going to be as bad
as eating some really refinedsugar.
That stuff goes in your bodyand talk about glucose readings,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Oh, I know,
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So I mean like a
friend of mine, my cousin, who's
really like a brother to me,also a type 1 diabetic and I'm
on type 2.
I'm on insulin after takingsteroids for a long time during
my days of leukemia.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And I got to tell you
, though, that he taught me a
lot.
I got a book called about, abook he recommended, and there's
ways to, you know, enjoy sweetthings without killing your
sugar readings.
There's plenty, plenty of ways.
You know, applesauce he usesapplesauce to sweeten his um uh,
yogurt yeah I've been tryingthat lately and I really like it
(29:56):
.
It's a good good, yeah, I'veactually not tried that.
His little sneaky trick is hetakes dark chocolate and shaves
a little bit in there, so it'slike chocolate chip almost.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Mixed with the yogurt
and the applesauce, and I've
got to tell you it's my favoritedessert.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Wow, that actually
sounds very good yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
It is good and it's
really good, I love that Dark
chocolate's very good for youtoo.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
It's full of
antioxidants as well that's what
you told.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'm so, I'm told yes
I believe it.
One of my favorites is darkchocolate.
I do love it good, good.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I feel like that's
also another required taste.
People are either milk or dark.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
There's no in between
but the milk of course, is a
lot of high sugar.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You know, oh yeah,
yeah.
Fortunately that's mykryptonite, sadly.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, who hasn't?
With Easter coming?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
who hasn't got a?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
chocolate bunny.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Everywhere.
Yeah, get yourself a giant onelike a six-foot one, why not?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, Jackie used to
eat the ears right away.
We knew it was Jackie.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I did too.
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
What other would you
say um tell us more about your
journey now that you've got intoum helping a life coach.
Really, it's what essentiallyit is yeah have you had some
good experiences that have comeinto your experience from that
yeah, I, so I've not quite takenon any clients yet.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I just graduated in
November of this last November
and kind of got a littlesidetracked because my dad
unfortunately ended up passingaway.
So it was very yeah, there wasa lot going on, so that was
sidetracked a little bit, butI'm very, very grateful that it
happened before he passed.
He was very excited for me andafter a couple of months I had
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just the fire lit underneath meagain and I was like I want to
get this started.
So I started my social mediaaccount for it.
I've started getting, like youknow, word of mouth out to
people about it and, yeah, Ijust actually got my photos
taken for my brand, which wasreally exciting, my first time
like getting a branding shootdone, and I've just really tried
to, you know, focus on who andwhat.
(32:05):
Like my focus is for peoplelike who do I want to help?
And I think I'm kind ofnarrowed it down.
I do believe I want to help,you know, women that are between
the ages of 18 to 40, andanyone really doesn't have to be
in my area in Metro Detroit.
It can be, you know, virtual.
So just really trying to findthat select audience that I
(32:26):
think I can really ultimatelyhelp.
So it's been great.
I've truly.
I feel like as much as it's hardsome days.
I don't want to sit here andsay like I see why it had to
happen to me, why I had to gothrough it.
I don't always have those days.
I have days where I am very,very sad and I'm resentful about
it.
But I have to lean into the why, which is not even just the why
(32:50):
.
But what can I do now?
This happened, you can't changeit.
What can I do now?
And if that is to help evenjust one person, that's I mean,
that's all I can ask for.
And I remember telling myboyfriend about that too.
When we were on our first date,I was telling him about all
these things that happened to meand he's just looking like
shocked and I'm like you know.
But I have to ask myself, likepeople always say why did this
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happen to me?
Why did it happen to me?
I like to ask why not me?
Because there's no reason whysomebody else should have had to
have gone through this and notme.
So it's.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's one of those
things about out of the blue
that I find so mystifying.
And yet it's a phenomenon ofvast proportions, because
something like this happens toyou and you've been able to say
that.
You know why?
Not me?
Because you're taking it andturning it into something.
It's a real positive whatyou're doing.
(33:42):
You, yeah, you're reaching outto.
You're going to be reaching outto help other people.
Like you say, if you help oneperson, it's worth everything.
But you're going to.
You know I'm going to feeluntil you're going to help more
than one person thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I hope so.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Thank you you've got
the passion, I mean.
I mean I'm so sorry about yourdad, I mean thank you.
I lost my dad when I was 17 andI, you know, it still bothers
me and I'm a lot older than that, but, um, but you know, you
know, but you have to think.
I'm so grateful for what I hadwhen I had him, you know, and he
blessed my life in many waysand I'm, I'm sure your dad too.
(34:18):
It sounds like he did.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, he was the
person.
I mean I called him.
Oh, the first night that I hadall the symptoms, he was the
first person I would call.
Yeah, he was truly.
He's the person that also, whenI was diagnosed with type one
diabetes, I passed out when Iwas seven years old and I just
remember waking up in my dad'sarms and he was running me out
to the car to take me to the ER.
So I mean, I miss him dearly.
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I love my dad.
He was my best friend, but I Iknow that he's still here with
me, he's still guiding me and Istill have that, that drive and
that strength that he had andI'm I'm very grateful that I
have that.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So Well, that's
really beautiful.
I mean, no one you know that'sabout as good a story as you can
have.
As far as dealing with allthings, including the loss of
your father, which isdevastating, I mean, I have to
say that part of the thing thatmy healing of beating cancer has
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all to do with my family andthe love that comes from that,
and I see that's what I thinkyou know I can say.
Is it kind of a?
I want to ask a question whatkind of thread do you think you
see running through things thatcome out of the blue and their
reaction to them?
And it definitely I don't wantto answer it for you, but what
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kind of thread do you see?
What, what the continuity inthat you know life comes from
these things.
I mean, you said your dad, yousaid you got this, this, this
new, this purpose you're doingfor to help people.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I see a thread, but I
want to hear what you think.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You know, for me,
like I said it was, I have those
days where I'm just I'm soresentful and I have a lot of
negativity brewing in me.
But truthfully, it has taughtme profound joy.
I have not felt this kind ofjoy.
I never felt it prior.
I took a lot for granted and Ireally did not appreciate all
(36:12):
the things that I had in my life.
And now I look at each moment,even as I'm a nanny, for example
, I even just coloring with thekids that I nanny for.
I really just sit there now andI'm like this is amazing that I
get paid to do this, like thisis so cool that I get to be
creative and hang out withlittle people, that I get to
just like help raise and teach.
(36:32):
And I never had thatperspective before.
I never had the perspective ofhow lucky I am to have the
health that I do, despite theother challenges that I have
with it, even as a type onediabetic.
You know, I grew up alwaysthinking you know why me Like no
one.
I was the only one in my schoolthat had type one diabetes and
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I felt completely alone andreally just like something was
wrong with me and then, as Ilike went through this
experience.
It was really just like a fullcircle moment where I just
thought I'm so lucky that I getto experience this, because I
know that I'm not alone.
But I'm just in where I'm at.
I might be, but out there inthe world it's such a big world
(37:14):
there are people going throughthe exact same thing, and
community and love and joy andsupport is what I've truly found
the most in all of this.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh, I just had a big
aha moment and I think I think
your very first out of the blueexperience was that.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, and just the
way you told us, just the way
you narrated what you did, it'salmost exactly the same thing as
what you did dealing withflagellal toxicity.
It's almost exactly the samething as what you did, dealing
with flagellal toxicity.
Yeah, yeah, you formed a sortof way of navigation to go
forward from when life getslifey.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, that's a good
way of saying it.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And when something
comes out of the blue and your
whole life seems to changefundamentally, like you said,
you felt why me, I'm sodifferent than everybody else.
That's a fundamental change atany age.
It doesn't matter if you'reeight or 20 or 50 or a hundred.
That will change your view oflife completely Really.
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That's the essence of reallywhat we want to hear from, what
I love to hear.
I mean, I don't, I don't, I trynot to.
I try to go into these, these,these experiences with our
interviews, with just an openmind.
I don't try to get you knowintentionally, I want to script
anything.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Of course yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
When I heard you say
all that, I said I couldn't have
written it any better.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, I'm glad to
hear that.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You really came
through something at your
earliest age that you know howmuch younger could you be to
have an out of the blue momentand then have that really
amazing turnaround that you'reable to.
The key elements to meappreciation level.
Yeah, your appreciation levelgoes up.
And once your appreciation goesup, I said last week in another
(39:06):
podcast.
I said appreciation meansmaking something.
What a diamond appreciates, itbecomes more valuable.
When you appreciate the momentwith your nanny, your child,
that's making that moment morevaluable.
I really think that's what it'sall about Making these making
(39:29):
our life appreciation,appreciation.
I think you've done it, taylor.
I think you're doing it now.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think that the
takeaway for anybody to tune in
here if, yes, you should beaware of flagellate toxicity and
if you're feeling any of thosesymptoms, you should talk to
your doctor and tell them maybeyou don't want that you get off
that stuff and then get in touchwith Taylor and walk you
through it Well, how to eatright and do stuff like that and
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then maybe get on, get on theget on that group.
Now, what's the name of thatgroup?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
again we're going to
put it on it's metronidazole
slash or, in parentheses,flagell toxicity support group.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Oh boy, that's a
mouthful though.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I know Metronidazole
is like the long name for I
don't know the correct term ofsaying that, the long version of
flagell.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
But if you type in
flagell F-L-A-G-Y-L, that will
pop up support group It'll popup.
So we've got to make sureanybody out there experiencing
any symptoms that come close towhat we've you've heard today
check it out.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
We will welcome you
with open arms, sad arms, but
we'll be there for you.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I think I like have
definitely taken that.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
You probably have.
I I've actually.
I took it before as well and Iremember I'd had.
It was 10 years prior and evenlike in the midst of all the
chaos, the very beginning, Icalled like my old doctor's
office and was like, can youtell me?
I know I had this back then.
Can you tell me what I took?
And I remember I had had like Iwas crying and I couldn't
explain why and I called my momand I was like I don't know why
(41:01):
I'm crying, but I'm crying and Icouldn't stop and it was
metronidazole.
So that was a 10 year surprise.
I'm not surprised.
You probably have it's givenfor tooth infections.
I mean so many different thingsI can't even begin to explain.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Whoa, I'm going to
look into it.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, I know it's
also.
I think it's the number onething that they give for
diverticulitis as well, which iscrazy to me, because you're
already experiencing GI issuessevere and they're going to give
you something that's also goingto cause you severe GI issues.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Oh, my goodness, oh,
that's a big one.
I definitely know Anybody outthere listening.
You know who you are.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah.
Yeah, I probably know you too,yeah no-transcript telltale sign
(42:10):
that it's not working for you.
It's causing some issues andthis isn't just like your
typical like you know nervous,biting your nail, anxiety this
is.
You feel like you're going todie.
You feel like this isabsolutely terrible and just
just nothing is like mattersanymore.
It's.
It was really really bad.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Oh, my God, that is
so I was just going to.
I was going to ask you what isthe?
What do you would say is themost common red flag, and I
think you just said it.
I mean that pretty much, is it.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, I think a lot
of people.
They you know cause.
The thing is like the doctors,the one thing that they tell
people not to do onmetronidazole, if they do tell
you they'll say don't drink onit, they say don't have alcohol,
blah, blah, blah.
And a lot of people still will.
I have some friends that evendid and I'm just like please
don't do it If, if not foryourself, do it for me.
And they say you'll just getreally bad GI upset or whatever.
(43:05):
You'll have a bad reaction.
But if you have any sort of, ofcourse, the neuropathy, that's
the biggest red flag, I wouldsay, because that is the number
one thing that unfortunately inthe group people a lot of times
don't see relief from with timeSome people do.
I, unfortunately, am somebodythat did not.
I still have it on and off twoand a half years in.
(43:27):
But the anxiety, the fatigue,the migraines, the insomnia, I'd
say those four are the mostcommon that I saw in there.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
And I just noticed
that you said some of your
friends were doing it.
It's that commonly prescribed,then?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean
, I was also.
I can't tell you the amount oftimes that I've gone to doctors
who know that I list this now asan allergy and they still try
to give it to me.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Wow, yeah,
metronidazole.
How do you say that?
Because that sounds like Icould remember that
Metronidazole.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Metronidazole.
How do you?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
say that Because that
sounds like I could remember
that Metronidazole.
Metronidazole, yes, oh, that'seasy.
Metronidazole, yeah, yeah, Ithink.
Oh, my goodness, I'm going tohave to look at my medical
record.
I may have heard that one in myhistory.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, it's extremely
commonly prescribed.
And it's funny too, because oneof my previous nanny families
the dad he was a doctor and Ihad very insightful
conversations with him.
He didn't deny any of it.
I was very, very fortunate,like I said, to have had the
doctors that I did, because theydidn't deny my experience, at
least not when I first had it.
I definitely had some along theways who said it was probably
(44:36):
anxiety, but we just nevertalked to them again.
But that's it's really.
That's the biggest thing isthat doctors it's so commonly
heard of, it's so commonlyprescribed.
Not everybody has reactionslike this, but it's happening.
And it's happening what seemsto be at a greater scale, and
not to mention my cats.
I actually just took one in forsome gi upset and they wanted
(44:58):
to prescribe it to my cat thatwas only seven months old.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Oh, my goodness yeah
bizarre right yeah so, then,
this seems like we need to watchout yeah, absolutely yes yeah,
so that's going to be probably aone of the main takeaways, too,
is that you need to.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
This is I mean.
When I started, when youstarted talking about this, I
didn't really it didn't sound asum, you know, far-reaching.
But now I'm thinking, wait aminute yeah this is something
that's much more far-reachingit's, it's everywhere.
Yeah, unfortunately, yeah sowe're gonna gonna get people to
go to your support that's awebsite on the support group, I
(45:41):
mean on Facebook, and I guessthey could talk to their doctors
and say this stuff is notmaking me feel funny, I don't
want it.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
At least start that.
You've got to advocate foryourself.
Yes, and if you're hearing anyof these symptoms that Taylor is
sharing with us and you're onany kind of antibiotic, check
the name.
Make sure it isn'tmetronidazole or flagyl, yes,
whatever it says on there, yeah,whatever it may say on the
label yeah, is flagyl like a oneof the things they usually
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write in the label of it, or isit?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I think they just
write metronidazole that's what
I think, yeah yeah, I think soI'm not sure.
Flagyl might just be what's on,like the pamphlet.
If they give you a pamphletever um, which they don't,
that's the thing it's not like.
It's like a birth control pack,it's like it's a antibiotic
they just give you in a littlebottle.
So yeah, I would say it'sprobably metronidazole written
on there yep, okay.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
So take, take that
into consideration.
People out there if you'relistening, I hope you're
listening and, yes, listeningwith with your ears peeled,
because it's your welfare thatthis is all about, where we care
about you.
We don't want anyone to have togo through that, and there's
people like Taylor out here whoare out here out of the blue,
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who have been there and back andthankfully she had the.
You did have the tools to turnit into a positive and I think
that's a wonderful example rightthere.
So, yeah, that's a high pointof this episode is that you know
you really came through to apoint where you're saying up
your appreciation, yeah, allthose things.
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I mean say it one more time,what did you say came out of it
all?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
The immense amount of
joy.
That's the biggest thing, andthere's actually quite a few
people health coaches anddoctors that say joy is truly
like one of the biggest ways toheal is focusing on joy, and I
didn't have this immense amountof joy prior.
I took a lot of things forgranted.
The gratitude that I have nowfor what I do have and what I've
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been through even the bad isnot something I experienced
prior.
So who I am now, I'm not who Iwas then and I'm very grateful
for that, because, as much as Ihave love for that version of me
, she wasn't very self-aware.
She wasn't very.
She wasn't taking care ofherself the way that she should
have, even though she thoughtshe was.
But if this had to be a wake upcall for me, as intense as it
(48:06):
was, I'll look at it as that andI yeah, I think, just being
appreciative that I went throughthis so that I can now help
other people.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well, I cannot think
of a better place to end our
show today.
Joy is definitely so powerful.
I am so much on that samewavelength.
I've written dreams about joy.
Joy is the most powerful thingon earth that we can experience.
It is definitely a healer.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
And thank you very
much, taylor, for sharing your
incredible and wonderful,terrifying but true story.
I think it's going to do a lotof good and I thank you so much
for being here with us, taylor.
We really, really, reallyappreciate you.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Thank you so much.
I appreciate you guys in thispodcast.
The topic of this is absolutelyamazing, so I'm so grateful
that you've created this.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Thank you very much
and welcome to the Ozablu family
, Taylor.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Thank you so much.
I'm so grateful to be here, sothank you.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
It's a forever thing,
you know.
Oh, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, that's good
with me.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
All right, see you
later.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
See ya, thank you.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Bye everybody.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
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