Outlaw's Evidence of the Unseen

Outlaw's Evidence of the Unseen

Exceptional discussions for those of us on the outside. Join hosts Ray Curenton and Tim Dillinger for uncensored, unfiltered, and unraveled conversations that weave together history, faith, arts, and social politics into the fabric of our greater cultural narrative. There's always an exception to the rule.

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June 13, 2025 55 mins

Who said a finale had to be final? In this very special episode, Tim and Ray dust off the mics to delve into the recent sexual assault allegations against Michael Tait, a prominent figure in Christian music, including his time with DC Talk and the Newsboys. The conversation highlights the broader issues of sexual misconduct, substance abuse, and the hypocrisy within the Christian music industry. The hosts critique the industry'...

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In the series finale of Outlaw's Evidence of the Unseen, hosts Ray Curenton and Tim Dillinger are joined by artist/activist Juba Kalamka, author of Son of Byford (published by Black Lawrence Press), to discuss Adamma Ebo's mockumentary Honk for Jesus. Save Your Soul., a film that examines the construct of the megachurch and how it intertwines with capitalism, homophobia, and sexism to create a machine through which greed, s...

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July 7, 2022 79 mins

The FOX network once called her frenzy “the most compelling footage ever caught on tape.” We’re talking, of course, about Marguerite Perrin, most commonly known as “The God Warrior.” Tim and Ray revisit both of her classic appearances on the reality show Trading Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy, including her infamous “mother of all meltdowns” that has inspired memes and parodies ever since it first aired in 2005. The hosts discuss how...

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May 25, 2022 128 mins

We’ve been promising it for weeks and here it finally is! In this very special episode, Tim and Ray discuss the Christian obsession with end-time prophesy. In addition to talking about their individual deconstructions around believing in the rapture, our hosts review six of the most well-known rapture films and analyze the use of the promise of an impending apocalypse as an evangelical scare tactic. Time stamps for the start of eac...

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April 11, 2022 93 mins

G’day, mates! In this episode, our hosts review the new three-part Discovery+ documentary series, Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed. Founded in Sydney, Australia by Brian Houston and made famous through its never-ending worship music products, Hillsong is an international megachurch, media conglomerate, and Christian college mired in a plethora of abuse scandals. Throughout the episode, Tim struggles to retain former Hillsong pastor C...

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March 9, 2022 84 mins

In this episode, Tim and Ray talk all about science⁠—or more so⁠, all about how science often gets thrown out the window in faith-based communities. What are the origins of this ideological clash? Galileo and his heliocentrism? Darwin and his common ancestors? Are faith healers and their promises of “miraculous healing” completely full of it? Why do evangelicals give more authority to their pastors when it comes to health outcomes ...

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He expanded the possibilities of the gospel sound. He dared to defy the borders of race and integrate Christian music audiences. He shared his platform with many of the most brilliant vocalists and musicians of our lifetime. And then he brought gospel music to the rest of the world. In this episode, Tim and Ray discuss the life and music of gospel legend Andraé Crouch. As always, they dig in deep, covering his beginnings in COGIC (...

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January 19, 2022 85 mins

Well, at least they didn’t hate the film as much as they thought they would. In this follow-up episode to their discussion on praise and worship music, Tim and Ray review the latest documentary on contemporary Christian music, The Jesus Music. In between giving their thoughts on what they (mostly dis)liked about the film, the hosts do their best to supplement the narrative with all of the Jesus movement and CCM history left out of ...

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December 7, 2021 88 mins

Formulaic songwriting that reduces music composition to nursery rhyme chants! Self-deprecating, unimaginative lyrics in appeal to the most narcissistic version of God possible! Chord progressions of…well really just about 2 or 3 chords. But synth strings! Don’t forget the synth strings!! In this episode, Tim and Ray discuss the bane of their existence: praise and worship music. What is the difference between CCM, gospel, and praise...

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November 2, 2021 96 mins

It’s all things gay and Christian in this episode, with a specific look at the history of the ex-gay movement and reparative therapy. What do Tim and Ray think about Biblical infallibility and the “clobber verses”? What about the concept of deliverance? Is gay identity a choice or are we born this way? Is ex-gay identity a fallacy? Is the “decision” to change one’s sexual orientation really just the result of coercion? Tim and Ray ...

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September 28, 2021 114 mins

“What are you bringing to the table?” In this tour de force, we discuss none other than Prophetess/Dr./Ambassador Juanita Bynum II—the controversial juggernaut whom The New York Times once called “the most prominent black female television evangelist in the country.” Was Juanita Bynum a chosen vessel? A megalomaniac? A misunderstood victim? We start with a quick overview that covers it all, from her breakout success under Bishop T....

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September 5, 2021 69 mins

Welcome to Outlaw's Evidence of the Unseen! In our first episode, we tell our origin stories and talk about what we hope to bring to the table with this new podcast. From growing up in Christian fundamentalism to coming out and rediscovering faith as pro-Black, pro-feminist queer musicians, we discuss our desires for building community with the show and what you as the listener can expect moving forward.


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