May 13, 2025 • 35 mins
Amy makes a special return to the mics to share her birth story.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to this very special episode of Outspoken Amy.
We have you back on the podcast to share your
birth story. It's been a month since you gave birth
to your little boy, Harry. Oh, it's so exciting to
be back. I don't know if you guys are happy
to have me back. We needed a mediator because Sophie
I just recorded Friday's episode before. I'm a bit sick
of each other, so it was nice to get a
change of scenery and come and record this with you.
Does it feel like any time has passed because sitting here,
(00:25):
I mean, because Harry's out the house, your husband and
mother in law, I've taken him out for a ward.
It almost feels like nothing has happened, but so much
has happened at the same time.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I mean, as I said, I'm so happy to be back,
and I'm really excited to talk through the birth story
because I've been telling anybody that's willing to listen about
it because it is such a huge thing in your life,
and I know so for you've been getting a bit
scared of me filling you in on some of the
details because it's not long before you're set to give birth. Yeah,
I've been finding a bit triggering because you have been
going into immense detail, but some people like all the
(00:56):
gory details. Yeah. Amy was just showing us some snaps
of her getting willed into the theater because you had
a cesarean. Yeah. Well, I was saying to you, guys,
isn't it funny how your partners they never really film
any content of you. There's a huge joke going around
on TikTok and Instagram, how always the wife takes his
beautiful photos of the husband and the baby and you
get these shit photos.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Or day none, yeah or none.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, Dale decided to film me going into surgery, which
is probably not vision I'm going to share because once
I look absolutely horrendous.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I have a handnet on.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No one looks good in the hairnett No. But it's
also sort of mortifying because you know what's about to happen,
But very cute that he decided to film that. Actually,
what I enjoyed about the vision is I can tell,
knowing you so well, that you're trying to look cool
about the situation whilst freaking out inside. It's a really
weird thing to be wheeled into a surgery when you
can just walk yourself. Well, the thing I found so
(01:52):
weird about the whole process was a lot of people
have asked, oh, why were you booked in for a
C section? And did you elect to have it? I
did initially to have a C section, and you get
asked so many times by the midwives, oh why did
you decide to do that? And the reason I decided
to do it was one Kate had such a great
experience having a C section, and for me, I need
(02:13):
to know when things are happening. And the part of
the c section that I liked is the fact that
you can schedule it in, you can really mentally prepare
for it. Also, I had a large fibroid and as
the midwife appointments went on, a lot of the midwife said, actually,
it's really good that you have booked into get a
C section because the fibroid was quite large. It was
(02:33):
actually in the incision area. There were concerns that maybe
if I had had a vaginal birth, that it might
have blocked the birth canal as well. This is the
thing that scares me because I hear a lot of
people talking about how they were kind of pressured in
to have a vaginal birth and then they've gone on
to have a emergency C section, and then the doctor goes, oh, yeah,
we thought that might happen, but we wanted to give
(02:54):
you a go, And I'm like, what. I think there's
a lot of judgment when someone says that they want
an elective C section, and I'm kind of used why
both processes are incredibly difficult and Tafa, I wouldn't say
that one is easier over the other. And at the
end of the day, you know your body best, you
know your mental health best, you know what's going to
work for you. And I think because all three of
us have had or having kids so close to each other,
(03:16):
a lot of people are being like, why are they
all doing it? Like it's just because one of them's
doing it, so they all have to do it. We're
not like that at all. If anything, I felt the
pressure of, oh God, maybe I should have a vaginal
birth just to shake it up a bit. I think
some of the judgment comes around the recovery from a
C section, and people think, oh, these women are just
going into it blindly and they don't understand that you know,
for the next six weeks you have to actually go
(03:38):
through that recovery process. I mean, I can't drive for
another two weeks. I need to remind you to slow down, though,
because the other day you had us over for dinner
and you were like mopping the floor on the ground
with a piece of paper towel. You went for a
five k walk a week after. These are things you
should not be doing because you need to let your
body hear. I actually think the judgment comes from people
assuming that getting a C section a bit of a
(04:00):
copper and it's the easy way out and you're not
having to go through, you know, an intense labor. But
after hearing both of your experiences, it's definitely not an
easy process, and I don't think anyone should go into
it blindly. I think everyone should do their own research
and work out what is best for them. I remember
watching Sarah's Day's birth blog where she documented her vaginal deliveries,
(04:20):
and that was what sealed the deal for me. I
definitely booked that as aesari and I cannot go through
that hat so off to women that can. Again, though,
as you've all said, the cesarian is not an easy process.
Well just what one suits you. Let's get into the
day itself. Maybe started off by telling us how many
weeks you ended up actually getting to and how you
felt the morning of Yeah, so I was thirty nine
(04:42):
weeks and one day pregnant when I delivered Harry, and
it was quite a surreal morning.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So we were booked in.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So we were told to arrive at ten am, and
Kate had been told to arrive at the same time
when she gave birth to Jack, but she ended up
sitting around until five pm. Well I had him at
five yeah, yeah, yeah, So it was quite a long day.
So we packed everything. We had Dale's switch, we had books.
We looked like we were going to stay at the
hospital for two weeks. You had so much food. I
(05:10):
didn't understand. You had bags and bags and bags of Woolies,
hot Cross buns or things that you would never eat
because I told Dale to go get the snacks, and
I think you didn't know specifically what I wanted. So
he came home with every kind of chocolate.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It was. It was great.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
We didn't really end up eating much of it. But
on the morning I got a call at around eight
o'clock and it was the hospital saying, actually you were
going to go in second but for some reason, I
don't know the person who was going in. First, they're
not coming before. I don't know what happened. Second, they're like,
can you get there a little bit earlier? So I said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(05:44):
we can. So anyway, we didn't get there earlier. We
got there at the ten am time slot. I think
you need to tell the listeners what Dale was doing,
because there's that trend at the moment where people share
what their husband does before guests arrive at the house,
and I think Dale, you know, normally Dale does something.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, well, in the past.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
For an example, we had some of Dale's friends coming
over and the house was an absolute bomb. While I
was inside cleaning the house, he decided to spray paint
the shed or spray you know what I mean, like
with one of those spray guns. Well, this is a
whole new category stupid things that you haven't has done
right before you've given a death. So I was telling davee,
oh my god, we better hurry up, like we want
that first time slot.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Let's get this going.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And Dale hadn't packed the car, so I assumed he
was packing the car, but he had been outside cleaning
under our car port. So our loungry and we've got
a window and it looks out into the car port.
And he had said that he couldn't have relaxed during
the maternity leave if the if it had been dirty,
so he left it to the day of the birth.
Let's just put it into perspective. You have this date
for six weeks now, you've known when it's happening. Yeah,
(06:48):
so maybe it's nesting. That's his type of nesting. Well,
because he'd been up so early and I was like, Dan,
what the hell have you been doing? Nothing's packed. And
then he insisted that we stop so he could get
breakfast at McDonald's on the way, and I said, Dale,
we're not missing this time slot, particularly because you have
been fasting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So we arrived at the hospital.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I luckily Dale listened to me, and we didn't go
past matt Donald's because it wasn't even on the way,
because I thought you initially said that you guys were
on time, because I thought that there was a bit
of an attitude from some of the staff being like,
where have you guys been? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, So basically what.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Happens is you arrive and you have to sort of
check in as a patient. So while I was doing
all the paperwork, Dale went off and there was a
nearby cafeteria so in the hospital, so he went, how's
this combination? He went and got a coffee and an
egg soundwich. I remember this story. I can't remember which
influencer said it or who said it, but apparently their
(07:42):
husband ate like sour cream and onion chips, and the
smell of it on their breath made them want to
punch their husband out whilst they were in labor. That's
our favorite chip favorite the more that's good. Yeah, we
got it side note on Boxing day because it was
the cheapest packet of chips at the only shop that
was open. And then we've had a real craving for it.
It's been my pregnancy craving it. Well, I can't I
(08:03):
don't remember smelling the egg on Dale's breath, but I
said to him, that's just a ticking time bomb, like
having a coffee and an egg sang, especially when you've
got like public toilets to the Yeah. But the funniest
thing was, so Dale was off getting his sandwich and
I give you you little what is it like a bracelet? No,
like the hospital tag and I ended up putting my
(08:25):
arm forward as if I was about to be admitted
into a nightclub getting a stamp, like palm up, yeah,
and I was like, oh, sorry, that's probably the wrong way.
I'm acting like I'm going into a nightclub and the
lady's like, you won't be going to a nightclub for
a very long time.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I'm still getting over the fact that Dale went and
got him sell food because Reese was like, oh, I'm
not going to eat anything in front of you. I
feel bad. I said to Dale, look, I would prefer
you to eat, because Dale can get a bit angry,
so I said, just go and eat. Well. Every time
Brandon and I go to the hospital for a midwife's appointment,
I have to line up while he dashes out to
get a quick power raid because he is so scared
of hospitals and he is convinced hill faint during one
(09:01):
of these appointments. So I'm really even do anything, I said.
I said, I'm the one that's getting all the needles
and stuff, and I'm the one that's saving your stomach.
I don't find the heart right, and then they ask
you just like can't you just stand with me. You
know what I mean. Can't you just stick with It's
funny you say that, because when we were getting ready
to go into surgery, I could tell that the doctor
(09:22):
was sort of looking Dale up and down and he
said to him, Oh, how are you with needles and everything,
like are you feeling okay? And I was like, yeah, yeah,
I'm good. I'm just here to support Amy. I'm fine.
And they basically said that a lot of husbands actually
faint during the sea section. I can see why because
in the lead up to Mother's Day, So I hope
you haven't seen it. I know exactly what you're talking about,
(09:42):
photo and video going around of how long the epidural
needle is and haven't seen that? To keep that in
mind when you were buying your wife a Mother's Day present,
is it actually like a real pure I was glad
I saw this after because I had no idea how
long the needle. But basically, when you go in, it's funny,
(10:03):
as you said, Kate, they will you all this way
through the hospital and then you have to walk into
the operating theater and sit down on the operating table,
which is a bit confronting, and that's when they put
your canula in, and to be honest, that was probably
the most painful thing. Then they give you a pillow
and you have to hold onto the pillow and crouch
over and this is.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
When they're putting in their picture, their perdural and.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Look, it wasn't It was more so just the thought
of having a needle in your back, which is the
most confronting thing.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It wasn't actually super painful.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I mean, when you're pregnant, you're prodded with every needle
in the leader, so you can't still.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's the mental thing. Did they talk to you?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Because my doctor was like chatting to me and no
one really said to stay still, which freaked me out. Well,
the weirdest thing was how many people were in the room.
So there was I think we counted thirteen people and
it was funny because only a few of them spoke
to you, So it was like you isaich Dale, it
was like we were walked into the set of Er.
There's all these people just walking around. So the doctor said,
you're gonna be numb from the neck down, so you're
(11:01):
not obviously going to feel anything, but you are going
to feel a bit of pressure. So she said Basically,
it's like your body is a handbag and we're rummaging
around looking for your key. So that's what it's going
to feel like. I got to say that was a
great description because it did feel like that. I don't
know if I need this level of description. Five weeks out,
so Sovie's passed out, Brandon's already on the floor. Well,
(11:23):
when they said that a lot of husband's faint, I
did instantly think of Brandon. So I think what they
do is they make sure that the husband is seated
and away because they don't want them collapsing on some
of the you know, like the uteniss. I've heard some
story about how a husband has collapsed and they've ended
up having to have an operation themselves. So this is
Brandon's biggest fear. His biggest fear initially was fainting at
(11:46):
our wedding. A wedding then ended up being forty degrees
and you know, he gave him a complex. Thankfully, he
didn't faint. He lasted the whole day. But now he's
got in his head. Imagine if I faint and take
away any attention from Sophie and I'm not there, you
just support her. You need someone on standby in case
he does. I'm sure he will rise for the occasion.
I think it's kind of good to know that it
is confronting before going into it. And it would be
(12:06):
fascinating if, like Amy or I could go in with you,
because I wonder if it would trigger any PTSD. I'd
actually I wish you could have two people or three
people in because I would like you guys there. Could
you maybe explain Brandon's issues with hospitals and maybe you
get like a support person. Yeah, I could just fagine
Brandon's dad coming in and holding your hand, right, it's
all right. Well, I did say to Brannon, don't feel
(12:28):
like you have to cut the umbilical corse because I
actually personally would that would make me vomit.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Like that was the funniest thing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So as soon as they got Harry out of my stomach,
they lower the sheet down and you see your baby
and it's I was just like, oh my god, how
big is he?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's how big is he?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Joking off Mike, they drop it and then because you
showed us a photo, it's like a kind of golumn
figure being like ah screaming, it's beautiful. They are not
they're so beautiful, but it's so real. Baby thing of
seeing you know your stomach is there, and knowing that
this baby was removed. It's like it's wide. It's pressure
(13:07):
on your stomach because they're like, oh, you might feel something,
and then you just feel this massive push.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yes, you feel the push.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But the instant relief I felt from having Harry out
of my stomach, even when you were on the operating taps,
it was so such a sophie, You're going to feel
this instant relief. But the crazy thing is, so they
show him to you and then they have to take
him away quickly because they had a nurse and doctor
look over here, and they didn't put him on you straightaway. No,
so they went over to cut the umbilical cord. So
(13:35):
it's quite funny because everyone says, once you've had the baby,
no one cares about the mother. It's sort of everything.
You know, all you get asked is about the baby.
And it was like this instant thing where I'm lying
on this operating table, my arms are spread out. Did
you have to spread your arms up? Yeah? I had
like chained down. It was they weren't chained down, but
I had one because the anethetist or whatever was monitoring
(13:55):
all my vitals and everything. And then my other arm
was on the other side because I was holding Dale's hand.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But Dale vanished because he had to cut the umbilical cord.
So I kind of was just.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Looking over and everyone was suddenly over there with Harry.
And then I thought, because they said they were cutting
the umbilical cord, I thought, how fucking long is the
umbilical cord? This is quite far away and no, but
then you realize they've cut it. It's just for show
that they let. They cut it further down and they
give you like this little re said it was like
a rubbery piece of chicken. We want people to still listen.
(14:26):
People might be eating their breakfast. It's making me. I think,
if you're tuning into a birth story, you know it's
going to be a bit gruesome. What was the moment
like when you first saw Harry Well, I immediately noticed
his cute eyebrows, and I was like, oh my god,
I just yeah, it's funny, because I thought i'd cry
or something.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But because you're so amped up and I don't know,
is this really weird feeling?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It was so exciting to see him because you do imagine,
oh my god, what is this baby going to look like?
Because we were joking, I think was the day before
we went to Marrion Chopping Center and we're having coffee
and there's this one photo of Dale as a baby
that's been haunting you because it doesn't look like him.
It looks yeah, it's just it's a very unfa If
you saw this photo and maybe you have to share it, well,
(15:11):
and you saw fifty other men and the photo of Dale,
you would never think that that was a photo of
him as a baby. It looks like Fortunately, Harry came
out not looking like that photo. He's absolutely gorgeous, but
he does look like Dale as in, he looks like
he think he would look like as a Yeah. Yeah,
but then I also see elements of you as well.
I think maybe the reason you don't cry in those situations,
(15:32):
or you didn't cry that situation, is probably because it's
such a confronting, slush scary situation to be in an
operating theater, and you're probably just trying not to freak
out about what's happening. I feel like, yes, once the
baby's out, you're just like, oh, hang on, I'm actually
under the knife. Did you get a glimpse of anything
that was going on? Like I did? Know? Well, what
was amusing was the anethetist was talking to me the
(15:54):
whole time. I was talking to him more than Dale
because they're clearly trying to take your mind off it.
He was lovely my pistol for ages. I just was like, yep,
I'm out of here. Maybe if we were the last
one of the day. Yeah, he was so nice, and
he was talking about his kids and and you know
sometimes when it's awkward when you've got really intense eye
contact with someone and you sort of look around to
divert the gays. So he was talking to me, and
(16:15):
then I kind of like looked up, you know, just
to think of what else I was going to say
to him. I saw the reflection of my insight, but
because I didn't have my glasses on, my eyesight's pretty poor,
so I couldn't really make out what was going on.
But just look into this guy's eyes. Weren't me joking
that you were going to come in with a hair on,
like a baseball cap on and shape, Yeah, I disassociate
(16:35):
yourself from the room. Well, the funniest thing was when
I was being wheeled out after being sewed up. I
was like, oh, thank you everybody, Thanks guys, and I
don't think people thank everyone normally when they're removed. He's
very polite. Yeah. Well, someone has asked whether you wore
makeup or did your hair during the birth, because we
have had an episode years ago where we spoke about
(16:58):
Indy Clinton, who got a lot of attention for having
a fake tan looking great, like looking at maculate. I
can see why people do that because you feel like
us as shit, but you can't have this is what
is bothering me. You can't have a fake tan on
when you get a society due to infection. So technically,
when I went to my appointment, I can't remember the
exact name of it, but it's the appointment.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You go to. Is it your admissions appointment?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, so I went to that and I wasn't told
that you couldn't wear makeup. You skipped out early, so
you didn't even get the flas. So I thank you
purposely because I was told that I was not allowed
to wear maker, not even a lot of way lotion,
how to use special soap, all this stuff. So I
follow slope. I didn't, but I followed all the rules
and then you were like, oh, no, I'm just gonna
wear makeup. How does it really affect things? That's what
(17:42):
I'm sort of questioning. I didn't. I just put on
a bit of foundation. I didn't put mascara on.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I just put like water on my eyelight.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Like I didn't look great, but I just, for some reason,
I just felt more comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
A tiny bit of foundation all over TikTok.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I see a lot of pregnant women wearing the Heatless curls,
so they'll go in with their hair all rolled up,
and then about half an hour before they know they're
going to give birth, they get their husband to help
them take it out. But they look really good for
the I'm so sweaty, like even after the mycees are
and I was so sweaty, like I'd straighten my hair
because I was like, well, I've got to do something
to combat this no makeup, and it was just shit afterwards.
That's what I don't get how some people look. I mean, sorry,
(18:19):
this is absolutely fickle, and we're just talking about this
becau's a bit of a laugh. But I don't know
how some people look so good in the post birth
photos at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They didn't even really take a photo of Dale and
I together.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Really, we only really got photos of Harry and I
don't care because I don't even want surprising. I've got
a great one of me and a hairnet with no
makeup on that I've never seen. The lot of there
were generally photos of me looking gross lying there being
cut open, but there wasn't actually like a shot of
the three of us. Disappointing. But I was going to say,
you mentioned Sophie about how fickly it is about makeup
and whatever, But I mean, as we said, it's what
(18:52):
makes you feel comfortable.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But I know a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Say that after you've given birth, you don't give a
shit about anybody seeing your private parts, and you and
I totally get that now because throughout the whole experience
of being pregnant, I didn't have to show anybody in
my vagina until the day of the birth, and that
was probably the most traumatic thing. And then your frog
legging about the whole theater. Yeah, so what happened was
(19:15):
I got the epidural or the spinal block, and then
it's so crazy you just instantly feel it sweep throughout
your body. You just suddenly you have no feeling in
your legs. And then they go, oh, now we're putting
in the catheter. And at this stage they had the
sheet up so I couldn't see what.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Was going on.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
However, I could still feel that they had just taken
my gown off, like I could just feel like I
feel that still, maybe because because you can feel the sensation,
like you can't take it off. Well, whatever they they
felt removed, like they'd rolled it up or whatever they
had done with it. I feel my legs being pushed
into this position. And then that went on for quite
(19:53):
a while. Like I'd rather not be told. I'd rather
just be like unaware. Again, I don't want to hear.
I just would like to be aware that I'm frog
leaking in front of all these Dale said, by the
end of it, like the second day or yeah, it
was it second or third day we were in hospital.
When we're about to leave, He's like, you are a
changed woman. You don't even flinch that the nurses will
come in. They'll just lift your gown, look at you,
(20:15):
remove your pad and you don't even care. It's weird.
That whole pad removal thing. I think it's also because
you've got your boobs out the second you get into recovery.
So soph and I were recording a podcast episode when
you went in to give birth, and it was all
very rush and then we were like, hang, we haven't
heard from Amy for hours, and we were so annoyed
because Dale had your phone and he was being very
(20:36):
cryptic with information, and we finally got a message saying,
oh yeah, Mum and bub doing well. And then that
was kind of it, and we were like, well, when
are we allowed to go down because you guys camped.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Out at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But we were all like, oh no, we're not going
to do that because I think you ended up wasting
like six hours old. Was horrible. What happened was, and
I didn't realize this at the time, is they were
monitoring me because when I came out of surgery and
I was in recovery. This might be a bit TMI,
but in my bag, in my catheter, I had a
bit of blood, so I think they thought they might
have nicked my bladder, and so I was in recovery
(21:11):
for probably five hours. So it was something crazy like that.
So but by the time we got back to the room,
that's when Dale wanted to tell everyone to come in
because we felt so bad after going through that process
that we were there in the waiting room knowing what
was going on in recovery. I remember like Dad was like, oh,
have you let them know that we're here? And we're
sitting in recovery and one of the midwives could hear
(21:33):
all of this and they're like, Oh, would you like
us to get your family into recovery? We were like, no, Oh, gosh,
that would have been awful. There have been some questions
about what hospital you delivered Harriet. It was Flinda's Medical Center.
So I went public. I've got private health insurance, but
I didn't have the complete cover that I needed to
go private. But even if I did, I still think
I would have opted to go public. Oh the money
(21:55):
that you say our public health system, I mean, it
has its flaws, but in terms of the eternity, Ward
is absolutely excellent. I have nothing but positive things to
say about Flinda's Medical Center. The doctors were amazing, The facility,
like the actual operating theater was incredible. Will you have
access to a broader range of doctors? As well. That's
(22:15):
the thing. If anything bad happens when you're in a
private hospital, you get sent to the public host. Yeah,
and all of the midwives were so lovely, just going
back to the hole, not caring what anyone thinks after
giving birth.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I didn't realize and Kate, you never really went into
the detail.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I didn't know how much the midwives were hands on
with helping you express milk. Yeah, because I had this
nurse and she was so nice. She came in, she
was the midwife that was on the night shift. She
was literally squeezing my boobs to get colostrum out and
syringing colostrum out of them. Because I was having trouble
with Harry latching, and also because I had a c section.
(22:52):
Sometimes your milk doesn't come in here for a while.
You're actually kind of grateful when they do it because
I was I was in recovery, just had surgery, and
they're like trying to now you just sew it like this,
and then the woman's like, dot me just do it
for you.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was like, h yeah, you feel like you're a
cow being milked.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
It's a strange feeling. Was dale in there with the
syringe too, because we joke that Rees turned into a
lactation consultant when in the early days, Well, Night Too,
A lot of people don't tell you. Night two is
when the baby actually wakes up and they start crying.
Yeas night one. L Yeah, at night one, it doesn't
they don't do anything. So Sophie Bee Warren to Night
Too is where they wake up because the baby's trying
(23:27):
to help get your milk in, so they're wanting to
feed off you constantly.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So Night Too we were like, oh my god, I'm
getting no colostrum. I feel so bad.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He's not eating that much. So at one stage Dale
was there just I was squeezing my boob and he
had the syringe and he was like, come on, let's
keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Like we were just getting all of this and it
was kind.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Of really addictive of how much colostrum you get into
these syringes. I just looked at him and said, what
has our life? Because it's two days ago we were
just at home watching suits and there were syringing colosster
that weird moment, but it's also like makes your relationship
so much stronger. You really feel like a team in
that moment.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We were finally allowed to come in at around six
o'clock I think it was, and I was spewing because
everyone made this big point that we want everyone to
go in together. I was in the car park and
mum are called and said, oh, you're waiting for me,
and Mom goes, oh, sorry, we've already gone in.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I was like, yeah, what I could hear that you're
a notable.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Also, I think Dale's mum was meant to come in
at the same time as you, and she couldn't find
the car park, so she was a bit late too,
so I felt bad about that. I was happy though,
because it meant that you guys could record Jack's first
meeting of Harry. He wasn't that interesting. I don't think
he's been that interested in him. Well, I don't think
he really knows that he's a baby. So we're a person.
So we brought him in and Jack's new skill is
(24:48):
shaking his head. So I think Mum goes and Jack,
is this your best friend? And he started to chasing
and said no, and everyone just lost it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
We need to share that video. It's so cute.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I think it's one for the twenty first It was
just amazing for me because obviously I've been on the
other end of it, and it was so incredible to
go in there and get to meet this beautiful baby
and cuddle with him without having to actually do anything.
It was fantastic. He's such a little cutie. I still
think he doesn't wake up that often. Oh you should.
Oh my god, he woke up. He was, He was
(25:20):
really fussing. He vomited a few times. I love the
fact that we all say he constantly looks like he's
judging you, and I don't know whether it's because of
his cute eyebrows or the fact that he really didn't
open his eyes for the first couple of days.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He constantly looks unimpressed by everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
He kind of looks a tiny bit like Jack, because
you told me when he first came out, You're like, oh, wow,
he looks so much like Jack. Because they both got
a dimple on their gin, which we don't really know
where it's coming from, Like Rehees has one, but Dale doesn't,
so have we got the gene as well?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't know gin well.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I think babies they changed so much like when they
first come out. They're very puffy. They look quite different.
So I'm interested to see how he develops in the
next couple of months. I can actually see myself sometimes
in him. Sometimes I can see Dale's sister and him.
It's so crazy, the different angles, how different he looks.
People want to know how you came up with the name.
It is a very royal name, Harry Jimor was that intentional? Oh,
(26:12):
it wasn't intentional for it to be a royal sounding name.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You said you were tossing up having hr h oh.
That was the initials. I thought it'd be hilarious royal
because you're The last name that Harry has is Humphreys.
So you selected one of Dale's hyphenated names. Yeah. That's
been a bit of a long running joke that Dale
has the longest name ever because he has two middle names.
And I said to him, look, I'm happy to take
(26:37):
one of the last names.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Because I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just feel like it's hard growing up as a
kid with a hugely long hyphenated name. So, and especially
if it's like you don't have one of the surnames
in it. Yeah, so I'm going to be changing my
surname to Humphreys. So yeah, Harry Humphreys, a friend of
mine set it sounded like a rock star name. So
I have to ask, were you influenced by your love
of Prince Harry why you came up? Or Harry Styles
or Harry Potter because we grew up Harry Potter. See,
(27:00):
I always thought soph and I would have a Harry
because we were more into Harry Potter than you.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It just when you had Jack.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
We were discussing baby names and we both said, oh,
I've always really liked Harry, and it was one name
we just instantly agreed on it. It's more so I
think the Harry Styles reference. I think Harry is a
really cute name.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
And George.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I googled what are middle names that go with Harry,
and I saw George pop up, and I was like,
Harry George, that is just such a cute name. And
it turns out that Dale's great grandpa was called Harry
George as well. That's like our great grandpa was Jack Edward,
which is my son's name. I didn't realize, Yeah, their
middle name was the same. There was a while where
I was trying to persuade you to call him Harry
(27:37):
ed If that was my idea, I said to you
that we should all call our sons their middle name Edward.
But Sophie doesn't want to do that, so we But
that would have been really cute because like that, like
they're not going to have the same last name. Yeah,
but I think that they should have their own identity. Also,
you know, they do have their own identity. It's just
something that joins them, bombs them. Our son is going
to have another cousin who doesn't have the same middle name. Amy,
(28:01):
You've now been a mom for a month. Is it
what you expected it to be? Well, I don't think
anything can prepare you for motherhood. Everyone says that I
don't even really know what I thought it was going
to be like, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. We were
saying before how I didn't cry when Harry was born,
like when I saw him for the first time, and
I expected I would. The other night, I was crying
looking at him, tears of being so grateful. And I
(28:25):
was listening to this podcast and someone was talking about
the mindset thing and how sometimes you should think, oh,
you know what if I was eighty And then I
came back as my younger self and what the perspective.
And I was looking at his little eyes and I
was like, well, he's like my little baby now, but
later he's going to be this grown hard it's to
(28:45):
a softy amy. It's so sweet to see. So I
think I shared on the podcast that your first week
in your message saying, look, it's just been tough giving birth,
but it's been such a magical week the Dale and
I have spent together and we just keep looking at
him just in awe of how beautiful special here is.
We were debating on the podcast and a few people
brought it up in our group about tiredness and being
(29:07):
tired as a new mum, and I think we were
also talking about tiredness during pregnancy. A lot of people
on TikTok have said they're very different levels of tiredness,
and I've got to agree. When you're tired in the
first few weeks as a new parent, it's different because
you're excited and you're running on adrenaline. So I would
look forward to feeding Harry. Oh my God, like, look
at him, it's so exciting. Last night, I think it
(29:28):
was the adrenaline. Was you know that it's rubbing away
because I suppose because you and Dale have been really good.
You've had so many people over. I feel like you've
had constant visitors through the door. You've tried to take
him out as well, so you've gone on walks, You've
taken him to outdoor cafes and that sort of thing.
So you've tried to really enjoy your maternity leave together.
I think that was important as well for our mental
(29:49):
health because you hear a lot of people getting down
because you know, it's this new life. Yes and so
and so. I mean, we've been really lucky. The weather
has been amazing here in Adelaide. But I think it
was a day two or three when we were home
from the hospital, we set ourselves a challenge that we
were going to go out to a cafe with him,
and it was great, Like we sat outside away from people,
but it was just good to get out there. And
(30:10):
we've been enjoying all of our walk so I've thoroughly
been enjoying motherhood. I am a little bit panicked because
Day was going back to work next week and just
thinking how it's all going to work. How have you
been finding the feeding side of things, because I think
when you're pregnant, no one actually prepares you for the
fact that most of your time is spent just feeding
the baby. Because of you, I was aware that the
(30:31):
feeding windows starts from when you first start feeding the baby.
It's meant to be about three and a half hours
to four hours between each feed, which is so unfair
because you like, hang on it should end once the
baby's fed. Yeah, because last night it took me about
an hour and forty minutes to feed Harry and then
you know, you fall asleep and he's wanting to be
fed again. Look, it's definitely a full time job feeding
a baby. I can see that. So I'm doing a
(30:52):
mixed feed of I've been expressing, and then I've also
been doing formula feeding. I've been trying to breastfeed where
I can, but hasn't had the best latch. And going
into motherhood, I saw a lot of women talking about
how they were expressing, and what they liked about it
was the fact they could see how much milk they
were actually making. So I've been opting to do that
(31:12):
because I've found that to be a lot easier for me.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It seems to work with.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Our lifestyle because we had a couple of friends who
their babies were struggling to put on weight, and that
was actually recommended to them that they pumped so they
can make sure that they know that the baby's getting
the right amount. Yeah, I think you had that in
your head where you're like, look, at the end of
the day, my priority is making sure that he's putting
on enough weight and yeah, a healthy weight range as
soon as we can. It's also great because that means
(31:37):
that you don't have to do all the feeds, Like
you can be pumping, You're gonna have milk ready to go.
You can also do your formula top ups. Yeah, Dale
can do it. Yeah. Have you guys been taking in
turns doing the night feeds because that's a game change. Yeah,
we've been doing shifts, so I seem to be getting
around the four am feed, Dale dot the one am.
So what time are you going to bed then?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I mean it depends.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Sometimes it will be nine o'clock and be like, right,
let's go to bed for a few hours and then
we're going to wake up and we'll do like the
eleven o'clock feed together.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But I've been watching so many YouTube.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Videos because I've decided when it's my time to feed him.
I'm going to put on a YouTube. I'll get a
little drink. I might get a little bit of a snack.
I like that. One thing, Amy that you have inspired
me to do through this process is to make sure
you're taking lots of photos and also filming a lot
of content. And you have recently bought the tiniest camera
I've ever seen, which is so funny because outside of
(32:26):
the podcast, you work as a videographer for our business,
Hula Media, and you have literally every professional camera that
you could think of, but you have bought this small
handheld one. It is tiny just so that you can
take it around and capture those moments that where you
probably can't be bothered to pull out at the camera. Yes,
I've got lots of heavy cameras, and as you said,
I've been trying to take a lot of nice photos.
(32:47):
But I was actually inspired by Georgia Richards. She got
this new vlogging camera and I was like, fuck, that
looks fantastic, So I went and bought it with a
late night Amazon purchase.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It arrived two days later.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
And it's because growing up, our mum and dad made
the decision to buy a video camera before we were born,
and they said it was the best thing they ever did,
because you've got these beautiful home videos, and I just
wanted it to be able to pull it out and
take those, you know, like the really long videos where
everyone's talking in the background. Life here. I remember watching
our home videos and it'd be the best to hear
(33:18):
what everyone was discussing, even if it was like what
was on sale at Cole's at the time of hearing
our grandma.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Talking about that.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I remember there was a video of us on the
swings and Mum was talking about going in and waking
us up, and in this video she said, oh, and
Amy's got this fretto frog smile, and we.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Were still laughing so much.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Well, you've made me want to go out and get one,
because I think it'd be really funny and really easy
to capture the whole birth experience as well. Yeah, yeah,
it's I would highly recommend it. I mean, you don't
even have to spend that much money on a camera.
So if I know that your husband is a videographer,
but talking about how much he's going to faint, I
don't think he's going to be down the goal end. Well,
I don't necessarily want it down the goal end, but
I feel like we'd probably be sitting around waiting. It'd
(33:57):
be funny to get some behind the scene Brandon's fainting
incident and his power raid and so forth. Well, well,
I think we'll wait with baited breaths for both of
your vlogs. Definitely not vologging it. This would be a
very personal private video. Well, Amy, it was so nice
to have you back. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
We'll be back soon.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I feel like it's not long now until Sophie gives birth,
so I will be back on the podcast. I'm actually
really excited for that. Well, we're excited to have you back. Well,
just for you and me. Kate waited for a little while,
changes scenery for you. I was saying that She's like,
can't you join us as well? If you joined remotely? No,
you were winging that you wanted to be a part
of us, like you won't. You will not have time, Sophie.
(34:36):
I can assure you'll be enjoying your newborn bubble. Well,
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Hello, and welcome to this very special episode of Outspoken Amy.
We have you back on the podcast to share your
birth story. It's been a month since you gave birth
to your little boy, Harry. Oh, it's so exciting to
be back. I don't know if you guys are happy
to have me back. We needed a mediator because Sophie
I just recorded Friday's episode before. I'm a bit sick
of each other, so it was nice to get a
change of scenery and come and record this with you.
Does it feel like any time has passed because sitting here,
(00:25):
I mean, because Harry's out the house, your husband and
mother in law, I've taken him out for a ward.
It almost feels like nothing has happened, but so much
has happened at the same time.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I mean, as I said, I'm so happy to be back,
and I'm really excited to talk through the birth story
because I've been telling anybody that's willing to listen about
it because it is such a huge thing in your life,
and I know so for you've been getting a bit
scared of me filling you in on some of the
details because it's not long before you're set to give birth. Yeah,
I've been finding a bit triggering because you have been
going into immense detail, but some people like all the
(00:56):
gory details. Yeah. Amy was just showing us some snaps
of her getting willed into the theater because you had
a cesarean. Yeah. Well, I was saying to you, guys,
isn't it funny how your partners they never really film
any content of you. There's a huge joke going around
on TikTok and Instagram, how always the wife takes his
beautiful photos of the husband and the baby and you
get these shit photos.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Or day none, yeah or none.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, Dale decided to film me going into surgery, which
is probably not vision I'm going to share because once
I look absolutely horrendous.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I have a handnet on.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No one looks good in the hairnett No. But it's
also sort of mortifying because you know what's about to happen,
But very cute that he decided to film that. Actually,
what I enjoyed about the vision is I can tell,
knowing you so well, that you're trying to look cool
about the situation whilst freaking out inside. It's a really
weird thing to be wheeled into a surgery when you
can just walk yourself. Well, the thing I found so
(01:52):
weird about the whole process was a lot of people
have asked, oh, why were you booked in for a
C section? And did you elect to have it? I
did initially to have a C section, and you get
asked so many times by the midwives, oh why did
you decide to do that? And the reason I decided
to do it was one Kate had such a great
experience having a C section, and for me, I need
(02:13):
to know when things are happening. And the part of
the c section that I liked is the fact that
you can schedule it in, you can really mentally prepare
for it. Also, I had a large fibroid and as
the midwife appointments went on, a lot of the midwife said, actually,
it's really good that you have booked into get a
C section because the fibroid was quite large. It was
(02:33):
actually in the incision area. There were concerns that maybe
if I had had a vaginal birth, that it might
have blocked the birth canal as well. This is the
thing that scares me because I hear a lot of
people talking about how they were kind of pressured in
to have a vaginal birth and then they've gone on
to have a emergency C section, and then the doctor goes, oh, yeah,
we thought that might happen, but we wanted to give
(02:54):
you a go, And I'm like, what. I think there's
a lot of judgment when someone says that they want
an elective C section, and I'm kind of used why
both processes are incredibly difficult and Tafa, I wouldn't say
that one is easier over the other. And at the
end of the day, you know your body best, you
know your mental health best, you know what's going to
work for you. And I think because all three of
us have had or having kids so close to each other,
(03:16):
a lot of people are being like, why are they
all doing it? Like it's just because one of them's
doing it, so they all have to do it. We're
not like that at all. If anything, I felt the
pressure of, oh God, maybe I should have a vaginal
birth just to shake it up a bit. I think
some of the judgment comes around the recovery from a
C section, and people think, oh, these women are just
going into it blindly and they don't understand that you know,
for the next six weeks you have to actually go
(03:38):
through that recovery process. I mean, I can't drive for
another two weeks. I need to remind you to slow down, though,
because the other day you had us over for dinner
and you were like mopping the floor on the ground
with a piece of paper towel. You went for a
five k walk a week after. These are things you
should not be doing because you need to let your
body hear. I actually think the judgment comes from people
assuming that getting a C section a bit of a
(04:00):
copper and it's the easy way out and you're not
having to go through, you know, an intense labor. But
after hearing both of your experiences, it's definitely not an
easy process, and I don't think anyone should go into
it blindly. I think everyone should do their own research
and work out what is best for them. I remember
watching Sarah's Day's birth blog where she documented her vaginal deliveries,
(04:20):
and that was what sealed the deal for me. I
definitely booked that as aesari and I cannot go through
that hat so off to women that can. Again, though,
as you've all said, the cesarian is not an easy process.
Well just what one suits you. Let's get into the
day itself. Maybe started off by telling us how many
weeks you ended up actually getting to and how you
felt the morning of Yeah, so I was thirty nine
(04:42):
weeks and one day pregnant when I delivered Harry, and
it was quite a surreal morning.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So we were booked in.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So we were told to arrive at ten am, and
Kate had been told to arrive at the same time
when she gave birth to Jack, but she ended up
sitting around until five pm. Well I had him at
five yeah, yeah, yeah, So it was quite a long day.
So we packed everything. We had Dale's switch, we had books.
We looked like we were going to stay at the
hospital for two weeks. You had so much food. I
(05:10):
didn't understand. You had bags and bags and bags of Woolies,
hot Cross buns or things that you would never eat
because I told Dale to go get the snacks, and
I think you didn't know specifically what I wanted. So
he came home with every kind of chocolate.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It was. It was great.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
We didn't really end up eating much of it. But
on the morning I got a call at around eight
o'clock and it was the hospital saying, actually you were
going to go in second but for some reason, I
don't know the person who was going in. First, they're
not coming before. I don't know what happened. Second, they're like,
can you get there a little bit earlier? So I said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(05:44):
we can. So anyway, we didn't get there earlier. We
got there at the ten am time slot. I think
you need to tell the listeners what Dale was doing,
because there's that trend at the moment where people share
what their husband does before guests arrive at the house,
and I think Dale, you know, normally Dale does something.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, well, in the past.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
For an example, we had some of Dale's friends coming
over and the house was an absolute bomb. While I
was inside cleaning the house, he decided to spray paint
the shed or spray you know what I mean, like
with one of those spray guns. Well, this is a
whole new category stupid things that you haven't has done
right before you've given a death. So I was telling davee,
oh my god, we better hurry up, like we want
that first time slot.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Let's get this going.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And Dale hadn't packed the car, so I assumed he
was packing the car, but he had been outside cleaning
under our car port. So our loungry and we've got
a window and it looks out into the car port.
And he had said that he couldn't have relaxed during
the maternity leave if the if it had been dirty,
so he left it to the day of the birth.
Let's just put it into perspective. You have this date
for six weeks now, you've known when it's happening. Yeah,
(06:48):
so maybe it's nesting. That's his type of nesting. Well,
because he'd been up so early and I was like, Dan,
what the hell have you been doing? Nothing's packed. And
then he insisted that we stop so he could get
breakfast at McDonald's on the way, and I said, Dale,
we're not missing this time slot, particularly because you have
been fasting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So we arrived at the hospital.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I luckily Dale listened to me, and we didn't go
past matt Donald's because it wasn't even on the way,
because I thought you initially said that you guys were
on time, because I thought that there was a bit
of an attitude from some of the staff being like,
where have you guys been? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, So basically what.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Happens is you arrive and you have to sort of
check in as a patient. So while I was doing
all the paperwork, Dale went off and there was a
nearby cafeteria so in the hospital, so he went, how's
this combination? He went and got a coffee and an
egg soundwich. I remember this story. I can't remember which
influencer said it or who said it, but apparently their
(07:42):
husband ate like sour cream and onion chips, and the
smell of it on their breath made them want to
punch their husband out whilst they were in labor. That's
our favorite chip favorite the more that's good. Yeah, we
got it side note on Boxing day because it was
the cheapest packet of chips at the only shop that
was open. And then we've had a real craving for it.
It's been my pregnancy craving it. Well, I can't I
(08:03):
don't remember smelling the egg on Dale's breath, but I
said to him, that's just a ticking time bomb, like
having a coffee and an egg sang, especially when you've
got like public toilets to the Yeah. But the funniest
thing was, so Dale was off getting his sandwich and
I give you you little what is it like a bracelet? No,
like the hospital tag and I ended up putting my
(08:25):
arm forward as if I was about to be admitted
into a nightclub getting a stamp, like palm up, yeah,
and I was like, oh, sorry, that's probably the wrong way.
I'm acting like I'm going into a nightclub and the
lady's like, you won't be going to a nightclub for
a very long time.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I'm still getting over the fact that Dale went and
got him sell food because Reese was like, oh, I'm
not going to eat anything in front of you. I
feel bad. I said to Dale, look, I would prefer
you to eat, because Dale can get a bit angry,
so I said, just go and eat. Well. Every time
Brandon and I go to the hospital for a midwife's appointment,
I have to line up while he dashes out to
get a quick power raid because he is so scared
of hospitals and he is convinced hill faint during one
(09:01):
of these appointments. So I'm really even do anything, I said.
I said, I'm the one that's getting all the needles
and stuff, and I'm the one that's saving your stomach.
I don't find the heart right, and then they ask
you just like can't you just stand with me. You
know what I mean. Can't you just stick with It's
funny you say that, because when we were getting ready
to go into surgery, I could tell that the doctor
(09:22):
was sort of looking Dale up and down and he
said to him, Oh, how are you with needles and everything,
like are you feeling okay? And I was like, yeah, yeah,
I'm good. I'm just here to support Amy. I'm fine.
And they basically said that a lot of husbands actually
faint during the sea section. I can see why because
in the lead up to Mother's Day, So I hope
you haven't seen it. I know exactly what you're talking about,
(09:42):
photo and video going around of how long the epidural
needle is and haven't seen that? To keep that in
mind when you were buying your wife a Mother's Day present,
is it actually like a real pure I was glad
I saw this after because I had no idea how
long the needle. But basically, when you go in, it's funny,
(10:03):
as you said, Kate, they will you all this way
through the hospital and then you have to walk into
the operating theater and sit down on the operating table,
which is a bit confronting, and that's when they put
your canula in, and to be honest, that was probably
the most painful thing. Then they give you a pillow
and you have to hold onto the pillow and crouch
over and this is.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
When they're putting in their picture, their perdural and.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Look, it wasn't It was more so just the thought
of having a needle in your back, which is the
most confronting thing.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It wasn't actually super painful.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I mean, when you're pregnant, you're prodded with every needle
in the leader, so you can't still.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's the mental thing. Did they talk to you?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Because my doctor was like chatting to me and no
one really said to stay still, which freaked me out. Well,
the weirdest thing was how many people were in the room.
So there was I think we counted thirteen people and
it was funny because only a few of them spoke
to you, So it was like you isaich Dale, it
was like we were walked into the set of Er.
There's all these people just walking around. So the doctor said,
you're gonna be numb from the neck down, so you're
(11:01):
not obviously going to feel anything, but you are going
to feel a bit of pressure. So she said Basically,
it's like your body is a handbag and we're rummaging
around looking for your key. So that's what it's going
to feel like. I got to say that was a
great description because it did feel like that. I don't
know if I need this level of description. Five weeks out,
so Sovie's passed out, Brandon's already on the floor. Well,
(11:23):
when they said that a lot of husband's faint, I
did instantly think of Brandon. So I think what they
do is they make sure that the husband is seated
and away because they don't want them collapsing on some
of the you know, like the uteniss. I've heard some
story about how a husband has collapsed and they've ended
up having to have an operation themselves. So this is
Brandon's biggest fear. His biggest fear initially was fainting at
(11:46):
our wedding. A wedding then ended up being forty degrees
and you know, he gave him a complex. Thankfully, he
didn't faint. He lasted the whole day. But now he's
got in his head. Imagine if I faint and take
away any attention from Sophie and I'm not there, you
just support her. You need someone on standby in case
he does. I'm sure he will rise for the occasion.
I think it's kind of good to know that it
is confronting before going into it. And it would be
(12:06):
fascinating if, like Amy or I could go in with you,
because I wonder if it would trigger any PTSD. I'd
actually I wish you could have two people or three
people in because I would like you guys there. Could
you maybe explain Brandon's issues with hospitals and maybe you
get like a support person. Yeah, I could just fagine
Brandon's dad coming in and holding your hand, right, it's
all right. Well, I did say to Brannon, don't feel
(12:28):
like you have to cut the umbilical corse because I
actually personally would that would make me vomit.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Like that was the funniest thing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So as soon as they got Harry out of my stomach,
they lower the sheet down and you see your baby
and it's I was just like, oh my god, how
big is he?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's how big is he?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Joking off Mike, they drop it and then because you
showed us a photo, it's like a kind of golumn
figure being like ah screaming, it's beautiful. They are not
they're so beautiful, but it's so real. Baby thing of
seeing you know your stomach is there, and knowing that
this baby was removed. It's like it's wide. It's pressure
(13:07):
on your stomach because they're like, oh, you might feel something,
and then you just feel this massive push.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yes, you feel the push.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But the instant relief I felt from having Harry out
of my stomach, even when you were on the operating taps,
it was so such a sophie, You're going to feel
this instant relief. But the crazy thing is, so they
show him to you and then they have to take
him away quickly because they had a nurse and doctor
look over here, and they didn't put him on you straightaway. No,
so they went over to cut the umbilical cord. So
(13:35):
it's quite funny because everyone says, once you've had the baby,
no one cares about the mother. It's sort of everything.
You know, all you get asked is about the baby.
And it was like this instant thing where I'm lying
on this operating table, my arms are spread out. Did
you have to spread your arms up? Yeah? I had
like chained down. It was they weren't chained down, but
I had one because the anethetist or whatever was monitoring
(13:55):
all my vitals and everything. And then my other arm
was on the other side because I was holding Dale's hand.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But Dale vanished because he had to cut the umbilical cord.
So I kind of was just.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Looking over and everyone was suddenly over there with Harry.
And then I thought, because they said they were cutting
the umbilical cord, I thought, how fucking long is the
umbilical cord? This is quite far away and no, but
then you realize they've cut it. It's just for show
that they let. They cut it further down and they
give you like this little re said it was like
a rubbery piece of chicken. We want people to still listen.
(14:26):
People might be eating their breakfast. It's making me. I think,
if you're tuning into a birth story, you know it's
going to be a bit gruesome. What was the moment
like when you first saw Harry Well, I immediately noticed
his cute eyebrows, and I was like, oh my god,
I just yeah, it's funny, because I thought i'd cry
or something.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But because you're so amped up and I don't know,
is this really weird feeling?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It was so exciting to see him because you do imagine,
oh my god, what is this baby going to look like?
Because we were joking, I think was the day before
we went to Marrion Chopping Center and we're having coffee
and there's this one photo of Dale as a baby
that's been haunting you because it doesn't look like him.
It looks yeah, it's just it's a very unfa If
you saw this photo and maybe you have to share it, well,
(15:11):
and you saw fifty other men and the photo of Dale,
you would never think that that was a photo of
him as a baby. It looks like Fortunately, Harry came
out not looking like that photo. He's absolutely gorgeous, but
he does look like Dale as in, he looks like
he think he would look like as a Yeah. Yeah,
but then I also see elements of you as well.
I think maybe the reason you don't cry in those situations,
(15:32):
or you didn't cry that situation, is probably because it's
such a confronting, slush scary situation to be in an
operating theater, and you're probably just trying not to freak
out about what's happening. I feel like, yes, once the
baby's out, you're just like, oh, hang on, I'm actually
under the knife. Did you get a glimpse of anything
that was going on? Like I did? Know? Well, what
was amusing was the anethetist was talking to me the
(15:54):
whole time. I was talking to him more than Dale
because they're clearly trying to take your mind off it.
He was lovely my pistol for ages. I just was like, yep,
I'm out of here. Maybe if we were the last
one of the day. Yeah, he was so nice, and
he was talking about his kids and and you know
sometimes when it's awkward when you've got really intense eye
contact with someone and you sort of look around to
divert the gays. So he was talking to me, and
(16:15):
then I kind of like looked up, you know, just
to think of what else I was going to say
to him. I saw the reflection of my insight, but
because I didn't have my glasses on, my eyesight's pretty poor,
so I couldn't really make out what was going on.
But just look into this guy's eyes. Weren't me joking
that you were going to come in with a hair on,
like a baseball cap on and shape, Yeah, I disassociate
(16:35):
yourself from the room. Well, the funniest thing was when
I was being wheeled out after being sewed up. I
was like, oh, thank you everybody, Thanks guys, and I
don't think people thank everyone normally when they're removed. He's
very polite. Yeah. Well, someone has asked whether you wore
makeup or did your hair during the birth, because we
have had an episode years ago where we spoke about
(16:58):
Indy Clinton, who got a lot of attention for having
a fake tan looking great, like looking at maculate. I
can see why people do that because you feel like
us as shit, but you can't have this is what
is bothering me. You can't have a fake tan on
when you get a society due to infection. So technically,
when I went to my appointment, I can't remember the
exact name of it, but it's the appointment.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You go to. Is it your admissions appointment?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, so I went to that and I wasn't told
that you couldn't wear makeup. You skipped out early, so
you didn't even get the flas. So I thank you
purposely because I was told that I was not allowed
to wear maker, not even a lot of way lotion,
how to use special soap, all this stuff. So I
follow slope. I didn't, but I followed all the rules
and then you were like, oh, no, I'm just gonna
wear makeup. How does it really affect things? That's what
(17:42):
I'm sort of questioning. I didn't. I just put on
a bit of foundation. I didn't put mascara on.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I just put like water on my eyelight.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Like I didn't look great, but I just, for some reason,
I just felt more comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
A tiny bit of foundation all over TikTok.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I see a lot of pregnant women wearing the Heatless curls,
so they'll go in with their hair all rolled up,
and then about half an hour before they know they're
going to give birth, they get their husband to help
them take it out. But they look really good for
the I'm so sweaty, like even after the mycees are
and I was so sweaty, like I'd straighten my hair
because I was like, well, I've got to do something
to combat this no makeup, and it was just shit afterwards.
That's what I don't get how some people look. I mean, sorry,
(18:19):
this is absolutely fickle, and we're just talking about this
becau's a bit of a laugh. But I don't know
how some people look so good in the post birth
photos at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They didn't even really take a photo of Dale and
I together.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Really, we only really got photos of Harry and I
don't care because I don't even want surprising. I've got
a great one of me and a hairnet with no
makeup on that I've never seen. The lot of there
were generally photos of me looking gross lying there being
cut open, but there wasn't actually like a shot of
the three of us. Disappointing. But I was going to say,
you mentioned Sophie about how fickly it is about makeup
and whatever, But I mean, as we said, it's what
(18:52):
makes you feel comfortable.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
But I know a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Say that after you've given birth, you don't give a
shit about anybody seeing your private parts, and you and
I totally get that now because throughout the whole experience
of being pregnant, I didn't have to show anybody in
my vagina until the day of the birth, and that
was probably the most traumatic thing. And then your frog
legging about the whole theater. Yeah, so what happened was
(19:15):
I got the epidural or the spinal block, and then
it's so crazy you just instantly feel it sweep throughout
your body. You just suddenly you have no feeling in
your legs. And then they go, oh, now we're putting
in the catheter. And at this stage they had the
sheet up so I couldn't see what.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Was going on.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
However, I could still feel that they had just taken
my gown off, like I could just feel like I
feel that still, maybe because because you can feel the sensation,
like you can't take it off. Well, whatever they they
felt removed, like they'd rolled it up or whatever they
had done with it. I feel my legs being pushed
into this position. And then that went on for quite
(19:53):
a while. Like I'd rather not be told. I'd rather
just be like unaware. Again, I don't want to hear.
I just would like to be aware that I'm frog
leaking in front of all these Dale said, by the
end of it, like the second day or yeah, it
was it second or third day we were in hospital.
When we're about to leave, He's like, you are a
changed woman. You don't even flinch that the nurses will
come in. They'll just lift your gown, look at you,
(20:15):
remove your pad and you don't even care. It's weird.
That whole pad removal thing. I think it's also because
you've got your boobs out the second you get into recovery.
So soph and I were recording a podcast episode when
you went in to give birth, and it was all
very rush and then we were like, hang, we haven't
heard from Amy for hours, and we were so annoyed
because Dale had your phone and he was being very
(20:36):
cryptic with information, and we finally got a message saying,
oh yeah, Mum and bub doing well. And then that
was kind of it, and we were like, well, when
are we allowed to go down because you guys camped.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Out at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But we were all like, oh no, we're not going
to do that because I think you ended up wasting
like six hours old. Was horrible. What happened was, and
I didn't realize this at the time, is they were
monitoring me because when I came out of surgery and
I was in recovery. This might be a bit TMI,
but in my bag, in my catheter, I had a
bit of blood, so I think they thought they might
have nicked my bladder, and so I was in recovery
(21:11):
for probably five hours. So it was something crazy like that.
So but by the time we got back to the room,
that's when Dale wanted to tell everyone to come in
because we felt so bad after going through that process
that we were there in the waiting room knowing what
was going on in recovery. I remember like Dad was like, oh,
have you let them know that we're here? And we're
sitting in recovery and one of the midwives could hear
(21:33):
all of this and they're like, Oh, would you like
us to get your family into recovery? We were like, no, Oh, gosh,
that would have been awful. There have been some questions
about what hospital you delivered Harriet. It was Flinda's Medical Center.
So I went public. I've got private health insurance, but
I didn't have the complete cover that I needed to
go private. But even if I did, I still think
I would have opted to go public. Oh the money
(21:55):
that you say our public health system, I mean, it
has its flaws, but in terms of the eternity, Ward
is absolutely excellent. I have nothing but positive things to
say about Flinda's Medical Center. The doctors were amazing, The facility,
like the actual operating theater was incredible. Will you have
access to a broader range of doctors? As well. That's
(22:15):
the thing. If anything bad happens when you're in a
private hospital, you get sent to the public host. Yeah,
and all of the midwives were so lovely, just going
back to the hole, not caring what anyone thinks after
giving birth.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I didn't realize and Kate, you never really went into
the detail.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I didn't know how much the midwives were hands on
with helping you express milk. Yeah, because I had this
nurse and she was so nice. She came in, she
was the midwife that was on the night shift. She
was literally squeezing my boobs to get colostrum out and
syringing colostrum out of them. Because I was having trouble
with Harry latching, and also because I had a c section.
(22:52):
Sometimes your milk doesn't come in here for a while.
You're actually kind of grateful when they do it because
I was I was in recovery, just had surgery, and
they're like trying to now you just sew it like this,
and then the woman's like, dot me just do it
for you.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was like, h yeah, you feel like you're a
cow being milked.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
It's a strange feeling. Was dale in there with the
syringe too, because we joke that Rees turned into a
lactation consultant when in the early days, Well, Night Too,
A lot of people don't tell you. Night two is
when the baby actually wakes up and they start crying.
Yeas night one. L Yeah, at night one, it doesn't
they don't do anything. So Sophie Bee Warren to Night
Too is where they wake up because the baby's trying
(23:27):
to help get your milk in, so they're wanting to
feed off you constantly.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So Night Too we were like, oh my god, I'm
getting no colostrum. I feel so bad.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He's not eating that much. So at one stage Dale
was there just I was squeezing my boob and he
had the syringe and he was like, come on, let's
keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Like we were just getting all of this and it
was kind.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Of really addictive of how much colostrum you get into
these syringes. I just looked at him and said, what
has our life? Because it's two days ago we were
just at home watching suits and there were syringing colosster
that weird moment, but it's also like makes your relationship
so much stronger. You really feel like a team in
that moment.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
We were finally allowed to come in at around six
o'clock I think it was, and I was spewing because
everyone made this big point that we want everyone to
go in together. I was in the car park and
mum are called and said, oh, you're waiting for me,
and Mom goes, oh, sorry, we've already gone in.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I was like, yeah, what I could hear that you're
a notable.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Also, I think Dale's mum was meant to come in
at the same time as you, and she couldn't find
the car park, so she was a bit late too,
so I felt bad about that. I was happy though,
because it meant that you guys could record Jack's first
meeting of Harry. He wasn't that interesting. I don't think
he's been that interested in him. Well, I don't think
he really knows that he's a baby. So we're a person.
So we brought him in and Jack's new skill is
(24:48):
shaking his head. So I think Mum goes and Jack,
is this your best friend? And he started to chasing
and said no, and everyone just lost it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
We need to share that video. It's so cute.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I think it's one for the twenty first It was
just amazing for me because obviously I've been on the
other end of it, and it was so incredible to
go in there and get to meet this beautiful baby
and cuddle with him without having to actually do anything.
It was fantastic. He's such a little cutie. I still
think he doesn't wake up that often. Oh you should.
Oh my god, he woke up. He was, He was
(25:20):
really fussing. He vomited a few times. I love the
fact that we all say he constantly looks like he's
judging you, and I don't know whether it's because of
his cute eyebrows or the fact that he really didn't
open his eyes for the first couple of days.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He constantly looks unimpressed by everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
He kind of looks a tiny bit like Jack, because
you told me when he first came out, You're like, oh, wow,
he looks so much like Jack. Because they both got
a dimple on their gin, which we don't really know
where it's coming from, Like Rehees has one, but Dale doesn't,
so have we got the gene as well?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't know gin well.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I think babies they changed so much like when they
first come out. They're very puffy. They look quite different.
So I'm interested to see how he develops in the
next couple of months. I can actually see myself sometimes
in him. Sometimes I can see Dale's sister and him.
It's so crazy, the different angles, how different he looks.
People want to know how you came up with the name.
It is a very royal name, Harry Jimor was that intentional? Oh,
(26:12):
it wasn't intentional for it to be a royal sounding name.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That's not true.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You said you were tossing up having hr h oh.
That was the initials. I thought it'd be hilarious royal
because you're The last name that Harry has is Humphreys.
So you selected one of Dale's hyphenated names. Yeah. That's
been a bit of a long running joke that Dale
has the longest name ever because he has two middle names.
And I said to him, look, I'm happy to take
(26:37):
one of the last names.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Because I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just feel like it's hard growing up as a
kid with a hugely long hyphenated name. So, and especially
if it's like you don't have one of the surnames
in it. Yeah, so I'm going to be changing my
surname to Humphreys. So yeah, Harry Humphreys, a friend of
mine set it sounded like a rock star name. So
I have to ask, were you influenced by your love
of Prince Harry why you came up? Or Harry Styles
or Harry Potter because we grew up Harry Potter. See,
(27:00):
I always thought soph and I would have a Harry
because we were more into Harry Potter than you.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It just when you had Jack.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
We were discussing baby names and we both said, oh,
I've always really liked Harry, and it was one name
we just instantly agreed on it. It's more so I
think the Harry Styles reference. I think Harry is a
really cute name.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
And George.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I googled what are middle names that go with Harry,
and I saw George pop up, and I was like,
Harry George, that is just such a cute name. And
it turns out that Dale's great grandpa was called Harry
George as well. That's like our great grandpa was Jack Edward,
which is my son's name. I didn't realize, Yeah, their
middle name was the same. There was a while where
I was trying to persuade you to call him Harry
(27:37):
ed If that was my idea, I said to you
that we should all call our sons their middle name Edward.
But Sophie doesn't want to do that, so we But
that would have been really cute because like that, like
they're not going to have the same last name. Yeah,
but I think that they should have their own identity. Also,
you know, they do have their own identity. It's just
something that joins them, bombs them. Our son is going
to have another cousin who doesn't have the same middle name. Amy,
(28:01):
You've now been a mom for a month. Is it
what you expected it to be? Well, I don't think
anything can prepare you for motherhood. Everyone says that I
don't even really know what I thought it was going
to be like, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. We were
saying before how I didn't cry when Harry was born,
like when I saw him for the first time, and
I expected I would. The other night, I was crying
looking at him, tears of being so grateful. And I
(28:25):
was listening to this podcast and someone was talking about
the mindset thing and how sometimes you should think, oh,
you know what if I was eighty And then I
came back as my younger self and what the perspective.
And I was looking at his little eyes and I
was like, well, he's like my little baby now, but
later he's going to be this grown hard it's to
(28:45):
a softy amy. It's so sweet to see. So I
think I shared on the podcast that your first week
in your message saying, look, it's just been tough giving birth,
but it's been such a magical week the Dale and
I have spent together and we just keep looking at
him just in awe of how beautiful special here is.
We were debating on the podcast and a few people
brought it up in our group about tiredness and being
(29:07):
tired as a new mum, and I think we were
also talking about tiredness during pregnancy. A lot of people
on TikTok have said they're very different levels of tiredness,
and I've got to agree. When you're tired in the
first few weeks as a new parent, it's different because
you're excited and you're running on adrenaline. So I would
look forward to feeding Harry. Oh my God, like, look
at him, it's so exciting. Last night, I think it
(29:28):
was the adrenaline. Was you know that it's rubbing away
because I suppose because you and Dale have been really good.
You've had so many people over. I feel like you've
had constant visitors through the door. You've tried to take
him out as well, so you've gone on walks, You've
taken him to outdoor cafes and that sort of thing.
So you've tried to really enjoy your maternity leave together.
I think that was important as well for our mental
(29:49):
health because you hear a lot of people getting down
because you know, it's this new life. Yes and so
and so. I mean, we've been really lucky. The weather
has been amazing here in Adelaide. But I think it
was a day two or three when we were home
from the hospital, we set ourselves a challenge that we
were going to go out to a cafe with him,
and it was great, Like we sat outside away from people,
but it was just good to get out there. And
(30:10):
we've been enjoying all of our walk so I've thoroughly
been enjoying motherhood. I am a little bit panicked because
Day was going back to work next week and just
thinking how it's all going to work. How have you
been finding the feeding side of things, because I think
when you're pregnant, no one actually prepares you for the
fact that most of your time is spent just feeding
the baby. Because of you, I was aware that the
(30:31):
feeding windows starts from when you first start feeding the baby.
It's meant to be about three and a half hours
to four hours between each feed, which is so unfair
because you like, hang on it should end once the
baby's fed. Yeah, because last night it took me about
an hour and forty minutes to feed Harry and then
you know, you fall asleep and he's wanting to be
fed again. Look, it's definitely a full time job feeding
a baby. I can see that. So I'm doing a
(30:52):
mixed feed of I've been expressing, and then I've also
been doing formula feeding. I've been trying to breastfeed where
I can, but hasn't had the best latch. And going
into motherhood, I saw a lot of women talking about
how they were expressing, and what they liked about it
was the fact they could see how much milk they
were actually making. So I've been opting to do that
(31:12):
because I've found that to be a lot easier for me.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It seems to work with.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Our lifestyle because we had a couple of friends who
their babies were struggling to put on weight, and that
was actually recommended to them that they pumped so they
can make sure that they know that the baby's getting
the right amount. Yeah, I think you had that in
your head where you're like, look, at the end of
the day, my priority is making sure that he's putting
on enough weight and yeah, a healthy weight range as
soon as we can. It's also great because that means
(31:37):
that you don't have to do all the feeds, Like
you can be pumping, You're gonna have milk ready to go.
You can also do your formula top ups. Yeah, Dale
can do it. Yeah. Have you guys been taking in
turns doing the night feeds because that's a game change. Yeah,
we've been doing shifts, so I seem to be getting
around the four am feed, Dale dot the one am.
So what time are you going to bed then?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I mean it depends.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Sometimes it will be nine o'clock and be like, right,
let's go to bed for a few hours and then
we're going to wake up and we'll do like the
eleven o'clock feed together.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
But I've been watching so many YouTube.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Videos because I've decided when it's my time to feed him.
I'm going to put on a YouTube. I'll get a
little drink. I might get a little bit of a snack.
I like that. One thing, Amy that you have inspired
me to do through this process is to make sure
you're taking lots of photos and also filming a lot
of content. And you have recently bought the tiniest camera
I've ever seen, which is so funny because outside of
(32:26):
the podcast, you work as a videographer for our business,
Hula Media, and you have literally every professional camera that
you could think of, but you have bought this small
handheld one. It is tiny just so that you can
take it around and capture those moments that where you
probably can't be bothered to pull out at the camera. Yes,
I've got lots of heavy cameras, and as you said,
I've been trying to take a lot of nice photos.
(32:47):
But I was actually inspired by Georgia Richards. She got
this new vlogging camera and I was like, fuck, that
looks fantastic, So I went and bought it with a
late night Amazon purchase.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It arrived two days later.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
And it's because growing up, our mum and dad made
the decision to buy a video camera before we were born,
and they said it was the best thing they ever did,
because you've got these beautiful home videos, and I just
wanted it to be able to pull it out and
take those, you know, like the really long videos where
everyone's talking in the background. Life here. I remember watching
our home videos and it'd be the best to hear
(33:18):
what everyone was discussing, even if it was like what
was on sale at Cole's at the time of hearing
our grandma.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Talking about that.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I remember there was a video of us on the
swings and Mum was talking about going in and waking
us up, and in this video she said, oh, and
Amy's got this fretto frog smile, and we.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Were still laughing so much.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Well, you've made me want to go out and get one,
because I think it'd be really funny and really easy
to capture the whole birth experience as well. Yeah, yeah,
it's I would highly recommend it. I mean, you don't
even have to spend that much money on a camera.
So if I know that your husband is a videographer,
but talking about how much he's going to faint, I
don't think he's going to be down the goal end. Well,
I don't necessarily want it down the goal end, but
I feel like we'd probably be sitting around waiting. It'd
(33:57):
be funny to get some behind the scene Brandon's fainting
incident and his power raid and so forth. Well, well,
I think we'll wait with baited breaths for both of
your vlogs. Definitely not vologging it. This would be a
very personal private video. Well, Amy, it was so nice
to have you back. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
We'll be back soon.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I feel like it's not long now until Sophie gives birth,
so I will be back on the podcast. I'm actually
really excited for that. Well, we're excited to have you back. Well,
just for you and me. Kate waited for a little while,
changes scenery for you. I was saying that She's like,
can't you join us as well? If you joined remotely? No,
you were winging that you wanted to be a part
of us, like you won't. You will not have time, Sophie.
(34:36):
I can assure you'll be enjoying your newborn bubble. Well,
thanks for joining us for another episode of Outspoken. If
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