May 5, 2025 • 34 mins
Almost a year after the shock closure of her activewear brand, Ashy Bines has revealed the eye-watering amount she made off her collection’s first drop.
Two of Australia’s most popular food creators are engaged in a plagiarism row over dessert recipes. Nagi Maehasia has accused Brooke Bellamy of plagiarising two of her recipes in her bestselling cookbook, Bake with Brooki. Brooke denies the claims, saying all the recipes in her cookbook are her own.
AND Sammy Robinson has made a return to YouTube to announce she’s officially a homeowner. The One Mile Found, who lives in Sydney revealed she purchased her dream home over the Easter long week.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Sammy Robinson
is the latest influencer to secure her dream home and
the food talk recipe row but First. Almost a year
after the short closure of her active wear brand, Ashi
(00:23):
Biens has revealed the eye watering amount she made of
her collections first Drop. So if the admission came during
a recent podcast episode, this isn't the first time that
we are speaking about content from one of ashe Byn's podcasts,
and I don't think that it's a coincidence at all.
I really think that her podcast has taken a new
direction since it's changed its name and also co host.
(00:44):
The show is now being produced by Nova, and I
wouldn't be surprised if they've seen the success that Listener
has had with the Kickpod and they've gone we need
to replicate that, because as soon as Steph Leesmith and
Laura Henshaw started opening up about their sex lives and
their business secrets, their podcast went flying up the charts.
And I think that a lot of those outlandish stories
(01:06):
are getting attention because they're then featured on news websites
and that leads to more people discovering the podcast and
hitting download. And I think for Ashy and her new
co host Tiana, they thought, let's replicate that we need
to start opening up, and that sort of shock value
seems to have been brought into their podcast, and I
think it also attracts a lot of hate listening because personally,
(01:26):
I'm not that interested in hearing Ashi Bynes talking about
manifestation and self improvement, but I do want to hear
the juicy details about how much her business makes. I
think a lot of influencers thought that they were the
draw cards themselves, so they could just talk about any
issue or concept that interests them. So for ashe, obviously
she is interested in a bit of that woo woo stuff.
(01:47):
But then I think they quickly realized, hey, we actually
need to divulge a bit about our personal lives. I
mean it turned into influences just answering people's dilemmas and
not really giving any information about themselves. Well, in this episode,
they did do what a lot of inflo luancers do
and they put up a question box for their audience,
but they asked their audience to send in burning questions
that they think that Ashi and Tiana would generally avoid answering,
(02:10):
and they really didn't waste time getting into it with
Ash's starting the show by answering what is the easiest.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Cash she's ever made. Let's have a listen to what she.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Said, influence work, for sure, Although when I first launched anything,
the first launch is always the biggest. So when I
first launched active where it was over a million dollars
and twenty four hours, when I first launched my app,
it was the same thing. But I feel influencer work
is the easiest work that you could do. Like, when
influencers say they've got a hard job, I'm like, they don't.
(02:41):
It's like, yes, it takes you've got to be creative
and you've got to be on Like, for sure, it
still takes brain power, but it's very easy to promote
a product that you genuinely love. Yeah, so I'd say
that would be pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
At least she's got the self awareness to say that
influencing isn't a difficult job. It's interesting how she phrased
it though, saying, oh, when influencers say they've got a
hard job as if she isn't in that space herself.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, she seemed to want to distance herself from influencers.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
She is known as being an OG influencer, but I
suppose she's made her career a lot broader because she
owned so many different businesses. I think that that's what
she was trying to establish. Can you imagine, though, making
one million dollars in just one day would be pretty nice?
I mean I've always been so curious to know how
much influencers actually make when they launched their own product,
(03:26):
or even when they launched something through an existing brand.
And I feel like a few years ago, we'd always
see influencers.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Filming their launch, so you'd see them and you'd see
how many people are on the website, but you'd never
actually be told how much they'd make. You always just
assumed it was a fuck ton.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean, there's always been question marks about how
much stock influencers actually released to achieve a sellout. I mean,
I remember back in the day when Kylie Jenner used
to put her lip kits on sale and it was
like sold out within thirty seconds, and everyone's like, but
how many were there? Well, clearly, as she sold a
hell of a lot of active where to make a
million dollars in twenty four hours, and she backed it
(04:02):
up when she also launched her app, so she also
made a subsequent one million dollars in twenty four hours,
which really shows how huge her influence was at the time. Yeah,
it appears that influence has waned, though, considering she shut
down her active wear collection, I was curious to see
when she actually launched her active wear line and whether
it was when she was at the height of her fame.
I would have said she was at the height of
(04:23):
her fame in twenty seventeen, but I was surprised to
see she only launched this active wear brand baseline in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The thing is, though I vividly.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Remember buying a pair of Coalbalt Blue legans from her
did You in twenty seventeen, so she must have also
just had random active wear on her website and it
wasn't through the actual brand baseline. I didn't have you
done as an Ashy Baynes fan back in the day.
I'm I am not an Ashy Baynes fan. I had
just happened to follow her and I Cobalt Blue is
(04:53):
one of my favorite colors. I feel like it looks
really good on blondes, and I'm like, I have to
have those legans. I didn't feel they were the best
quality though. I think I wore them once and that
was it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It seems like.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Ashi Byinnes is a money making machine when it comes
to social media, because she divulged that the most she's
been paid for a single social media post is fifteen
thousand dollars, and she said the average she would get would.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Be around ten grand a post. That is absolutely wild.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
For some reason, all I can think about in this
moment is if she was making so much money, why
didn't she.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Invest in a nice Christmas tree? OJ listeners will know that.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think it was a couple of years ago she
shared this toilet brush looking Christmas tree and it had
the saddest looking tinsel.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I've ever seen. It still haunts me to this day.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, that's just a bousome Hill sponsorship deal waiting to happen,
isn't it. But why does she just pay for her
own She's making ten k off all these posts, well
fifteen k. Evidently people have different priorities except but she
was also talking about like gifting this tree to someone else.
But that's just one of the stories of ashi Bynes
that really sticks with me. Well, the confessions didn't stop
there for Ashiy Bynes, because she also revealed on her
(05:56):
podcast that when she was eighteen, she used to make
ten to twenty grand a week working as a quote
skimpy barmaid.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah. This surprised me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
She said that she used to carry around a lot
of shame about this job and she was embarrassed to
open up about it until now. And she said it
was during a time in her life when she'd just
broken up with her boyfriend and she spent six months
in wa making serious bank.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Here's some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The man over there just tipped like crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I was never a topless waiter yeah, or topless bar girl.
There was the pub that I worked out, and then
there was one next to it with the topless girls
were I never did that. I just didn't have the
confidence too. But yeah, it was fun. It was a
cool time in my life. Fun different be at at
home and make bank, make bank. Yeah, and it's the holidays.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Took my friends on holidays, paid off some bills.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I sensed that she wanted to make it really clear
that she wasn't actually a topless waiter. I feel like
she knew that the media would quickly run with that
as a headline, and I think she was trying to
separate herself from other women working in the industry, which
it almost felt a bit uncomfortable to listen to. Yeah,
particularly when she made such a big that when she
was working as a bar maide, she actually wore more
(07:02):
clothes than other girls working at nightclubs. Yeah, she referenced
Bedroom nightclub, which again I'm not from the Gold Coast.
I wonder if some of our listeners have some memories
of that nightclub. But she said a lot of the
women there would get around in lingerie and just underwear.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But again, I felt like.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It was just weird to be like, no, no, no,
but I didn't do that, Like I wasn't doing that.
And she would say, oh, and I built a good
rapport with the men working there. We were more mates
than anything else. I mean, again, I suppose she did
reference that she felt shame around the role, so maybe
she was carrying that a bit into the segment. Yeah,
it does sound like that now, as she did speak
about how dangerous this job was so She said that
(07:40):
she was in a really lucky position because she had
male friends who would drop her to and from work. However,
her coworkers weren't as lucky. They had to hang out
at the bar or walk home alone.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's really scary, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I love this detail of the story though, because, as
she said, as part of her job she had to
go by a different name. So the name she got
given was Pam. And she said, every now and then,
when she puts up a Q and a box, someone
will come out of the woodwork and say, how are
you going, Pam Oh, And she said she just can't
hide from it, which is maybe why she's decided to
open it up about it in her own terms. I
(08:14):
wonder if she was worried that someone would go to the.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Media about it.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, it seems like maybe someone was threatening to leak
this to the media, not that it's even a very
big deal at all. I was just thinking the whole time, Oh, okay,
so this is like the only fans of them. I
also potentially think that as she felt like now was
a good time to open up about it, because we've
really evolved as a society.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
There would have been nearly as much judgment about this
story as there would have been five ten years ago.
Now it was only a couple of weeks ago so
that we were talking about how Ashi Bynes had launched
her fragrances into New Zealand and essentially offended the whole
country by saying they smelt so last week her brand
Hideaway launched a new campaign and this time they released
(08:54):
an all natural coconut loop.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well we've just launched something new.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So what is it, exactly?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You're asking? Well, is natural lubricant?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Why?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Because I could not find any in Australia that was clean,
smell good, actually worked and didn't cost me an arm
in a leg, I was paying over one hundred dollars
to order one from the USA because there was nothing
here in Australia. I also heard some absolute horror stories
where other lubricants that were not natural and clean caused irritation,
reactions and burning no thank you. So after quickly realizing
(09:26):
I wasn't alone and wanting a nice natural product to
use in the bedroom, I said to Steve, let's create
it and we did the one hundred percent natural it's
coconut based, no paraban Oasilicon, No nasties under forty dollars
for a tube of one hundred and fifty mils, keep
packaging easier to order online, so no more awkward supermarket checkout.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Tell me you're an influencer without telling me you're an influencer.
A one hundred dollars on a bottle of loop?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
What is it going on?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Because you've on this cost of living crisis? I mean,
have I been living under a rock? Or is that extreme?
Like I've never heard anyone spending one hundred dollars on
I get that she's saying it's all natural and it's fancy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Et cetera.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But most people just going down to Woolies and buying
the ten dollars sheet off the aisle.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I suppose it's quite a personal thing that people don't
generally talk about. So this story actually does remind me
of a guy that one of our friends was dating.
And I don't want to give too many details because
I don't want to get in trouble, but he definitely
wasn't dropping one hundred dollars on Loube because he liked
to keep a jar of coconut oil next to his bed,
(10:29):
so on his bedside table.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He was keeping it natural and he would spoon a
little bit out and use it instead.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Look, I don't know if she'd be putting that out there,
because I don't know if that's particularly a safe method.
I'm not suggesting that anyone should be doing this. That's
horribly in my mind. Can you imagine the ick of
hearing the jar being unscrewed and the.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Screening of the spoon. Maybe he should just invest in
one hundred dollars as she buys lube.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I mean, whenever I'm cooking with coconut oil, it's really
actually hard to get out of the container, like sometimes
you need a warm spoon, or.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Because it's hard. The coconut oil is usually hard.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I remember in my early twenties hearing a story about
a guy who used to refuse to buy lu because
he didn't want to invest in it, so he would
use olive oil. Oh my god, SOAVI, are you're giving
some horror stories away. I feel like this is very
low brow for our podcast. Maybe this is why there's
some good natural products on the market now, because there's
so many people who had bad experiences with olive oil.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And coconut oil.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I don't think they're doing it for the natural reasons.
It sounds like laziness to me.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No, what I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Saying that now, there's probably women who were like demanding
all natural products because they've had some negative reaction or
irritation to stuff that they shouldn't be using.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Maybe Ashy Biens is doing God's work.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Here are outside Brookies bakehouse.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It is just opening this morning. We're working on.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
This story today regarding the allegations of plagiarism against a
Brookie made by Nagi from recipe Tin to Eat. Two
of Australia's most popular food creators are engaged in a
plagiarism row over dessert recipes. Nagi Mahashi has a q
Brooke Bellamy of plagiarizing two of her recipes in her
best selling cookbook Bait with Brookie. Brooke denies the claim,
(12:07):
saying all the recipes in.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Her cookbook are her own.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Okay, before we get into it, can you get us
up to speed with the main players of this story. Yeah,
So this story is massive because these two food creators
are big deals in the Australian food industry. You've got Nagi,
who is one of Australia's most beloved and influential home cooks.
She is the founder of highly successful food blog recipe
tin Eats. I'm a regular visitor to the blog.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Nearly all of.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
My good recipes come from Nagi, and I think what
really sets her recipes apart is that they're easy enough
to cook on a weeknight, but they taste amazing and
they're pretty cost effective. I'm just obsessed with her dog, Dozer.
He's a senior Golden Retriever. He is adorable, He's got
the cutest white face. He's had a couple of health problems,
and it's really him who's won me over.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
They're such a sweet duo together.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Every one of her Instagram stories that features Dozer I
put a little love on on now. Her story is
a really an vpirational one too, because she gave up
her job in corporate finance in twenty fourteen to pursue
her passion with food, and since then her blog has
amassed over five hundred million views. She's attracted almost two
million social media followers and released two best selling cookbooks.
(13:16):
To top it off, In twenty twenty, Nagi founded a
not for profit food bank called recipe Tin Meals that
donates nearly one hundred thousand meals to vulnerable people in Sydney.
So she is an incredible woman.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
As for brook Bellamy, she launched Brookies Bakehouse in Brisbane
in twenty twenty two and the bakery was an instant
success thanks to her massive presence on TikTok. So she
has two million TikTok followers and one million on Instagram
and most days there is a massive lineup just to
get into her bakery.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And it got to the point where brook began having.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
To ship cookies and cakes Australia wide and even internationally
because the demand was so huge. She's even opened up
pop up stores in Abu Dhabi and also Dubai. And
in October last year she published a cookbook called Bake
with Brookie and it has been incredibly successful up until
this point. She sold over ninety two thousand copies and
(14:09):
she has generated a predicted four point six million dollars
in sales. Now we need to talk about the allegations.
So on Tuesday, Nagi announced on her website that she
had made copyright infringement allegations against Penguin Random House Australia.
She wrote, this is a story about a multimillion dollar
cookbook by a social media influencer, published by a blue
(14:30):
chip publisher, featuring numerous recipes that, in my opinion, are plagiarized.
Given the detailed and extensive word for words similarities to
mine and those of other authors. To me, the similarities
between the recipes in question are far too specific in
detailed to be dismissed as coincidence. Penguin has denied the allegations.
I have received no response from book Bellamy, the author.
(14:52):
Now the recipes in question are a caramel slice and
a buck LeVar Nagi went on to share screenshots of
the recipes side by to show the similarities.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Within hours, Brook responded to the allegations, denying that she
plagiarized any recipes in her cookbook. She claimed that she'd
been selling caramel slices commercially since twenty sixteen. She wrote,
on March twenty twenty, recipe tin Eats published a recipe
for caramel slice. It uses the same ingredients as my recipe,
which I have been making and selling since four years prior.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now as a form of a receipt.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
She shared a photo of her pastry case in the
bakery and circled the caramel slice on a plate. Now,
I don't quite understand how the photo proves she used
a particular recipe. God, does anyone else feel like caramel slice? Though?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Just like I feel like I've gotta try this recipe out.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I mean. Brookie also claimed that she offered to remove
both the caramel slice and Bucclovar recipe from future prints
of her book to prevent further aggravation. Now, another popular
baking identity has come out of the woodwork to also
make claims against brook So. Sally McKenny from Sally's Baking
Addiction in the US alleged that Brooks vanilla cake recipe
(16:04):
also closely resembles her own. Nagi also has since accused
brook of copying the late Bill Granger's Portuguese tart recipe. Again,
this segment is making me very hungry. But I want
to pose the big question to you, because this is
what I've been thinking about all week in terms of
this story. Is it possible to plagiarize a recipe? Because
(16:24):
it's a really interesting discussion. Where is the line between
inspiration and plagiarism, particularly when it comes to baking sweet
goods because there's such a formula you need to follow.
It's not like a savory recipe where you can chuck
in a bit of this and a bit of that
and it'll work out. Yeah. And I think there was
a lot of confusion, particularly because everyone was focused on
(16:45):
the caramel slice recipe, and a caramel slice is a
very traditional recipe. There's not a lot of different ways
you can make it, so a lot of people don't
understand how a recipe for caramel slice can be copied.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, because it's a very basic recipe, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And the thing is those people clearly don't follow Nagi
on social media because she often shares the long process
that she goes to develop a recipe. And yes, a
caramel slice recipe doesn't differ much, but you can perfect
it and you can test different ratios out and that's
what she does. So she's not saying that she invented
the recipe, but she's saying that she's extensively tested different
(17:21):
versions until she's come up with one that's worked best
for her.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's definitely very.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Complex, and I think unless you're a chef and know
what goes into developing a recipe, you probably don't fully
understand it. Legal experts have weighed in saying that yes,
it is possible to plagiarize a recipe, but recipe copyright
cases are very complex.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So you can't copyright the concept of.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Say a caramel slice, but once you've written down that recipe,
that becomes a copyright literary work.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So, in Australia, copyright law protects the unique expression of
a recipe, which means the specific wording, instructions, and presentation. However,
the underlying list of ingredients or general method is not
protected by law. Therefore, copying the exact text or unique
elements of a recipe without permission can constitute copyright infringement.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We reckon.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
That's why sometimes we see recipes where people have thrown
in some.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Really random ingredients.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You're like wow, like you know that doesn't really belong
in there, but they've tried to make it different.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I think it's also around the way you present the recipe.
So a lot of cookbook authors will tell a really
special story about how they came to create the recipe
or you know, the inspiration behind it. And in Brookie's Cookbook,
we're not seeing that it's a very basic recipe or here,
this is how I made it. The steps are simple,
so there's not really that art of storytelling within it
(18:44):
as well. It's quite interesting and I think something that
seemed to catch Brooke out a little bit was that
there was a mistake in Nagi's Blacklovar recipe which is
then mirrored in Brooks recipe.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Which is a bit awkward.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think that was a little bit of a smoking
gun for some people.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
While the whole plagiarism recipe situation is complex from a
copyright perspective, when it comes to how the food writing
industry views it, it's quite different because from an ethical stance,
closely mimicking someone's recipe is considered plagiary.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's very frowned upon, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And again that is from an ethical stance, not so
much illegal stance.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, So the best practice is to.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Credit the original source, and that's what Nagi wanted. She
said that she would have given Brook her permission and
blessing to use the recipe if she just asked. And
I feel like the food community in Australia is probably
quite a tight knit one that seems like a very
wholesome community. Yeah. I feel like again, if a mission
was sought, she would have just given it. Yeah. And
I think while a lot has been said about this case,
(19:43):
one thing that I haven't seen discussed is this hierarchy
in the food creator space. And I think a lot
of the vitriol aimed at Brook has to do with
the fact that people don't think she's got baking credentials.
She had a meteoric rise into the food industry from
TikTok and I remember her content popping up on my
TikTok for you Paid and being absolutely amazed at how
she had managed to build this incredible business from just
(20:04):
sharing day in the life blogs.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Now I only just.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Discovered since the plagiarism scandal broke that Brook was a
highly successful travel blogger before opening her bakery. So she
was known by her maiden named Brook Starwood, and she
started up a travel blog called World of Wonderlus in
twenty twelve. This blog was absolutely massive. She had around
six million readers a year and one point two million
social media followers from it. And it was actually during
(20:27):
her travels that she developed her love for food and
for baking, which has then inspired her career in food
thus far. Yeah, and before Brookie's bake House, she opened
her first bakery in Tasmania in twenty sixteen, called Charlie's
Dessert House. Now, it was in twenty twenty when the
pandemic hit that Brooke found herself at this crossroad when
international travel was halted, and that's when she turned her
(20:49):
attention to baking and eventually opened Brookies bake House in
twenty twenty two. It is interesting to consider how many
of Brook's travel audience converted over to her baking content,
because her Instagram account is still live for her wonder
last one and she actually links to Brookies Bakehouse over there.
I suppose travel and food sort of go hand in hand,
(21:10):
don't they, Because a lot of the time travel bloggers
will show you a country's cuisine. It's very aspirational content,
so I can see how they go quite nicely together. Yeah,
it definitely makes sense. And I think it is this
influencer status that Brooke had before launching Brookies Bakehouse that
has got people questioning is she a legitimate baker?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Is this just another business venture for her?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I feel like those who are questioning it are definitely
people in the food industry and who I've been working
in the food industry for decades, and they feel a
little bit insecure about the rise of these TikTok content
creators because, I mean, all over my algorithm at the moment,
I'm seeing these really quick, fast recipes that are easy
to make, and there isn't really a lot of crediting
(21:54):
going on. And people are building huge careers off being
really creative in the way that they film something. But
maybe those people don't actually have the technical skills in
building a recipe. But isn't this just how the cooking
landscape has progressed. I mean, we originally had cookbook authors,
now we have bloggers, and now we have got TikTok creators.
There's always been snobbery around the next iteration, is that
(22:16):
just what we're seeing here? It definitely is the way forward,
and it's the way that I personally build up recipes
for dinner.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'll always save something that looks quick and easy.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But I think the frustration is coming from food creators
who have worked in the industry for decades and they've
tested and trialed these recipes for people to then seemingly
steal them and with creators like Nagi.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
She's all about.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Building a story, and their work is beautiful, like their
works of art, what they create about these particular recipes
and the personal stories that they bring into them. And
I think that there's some frustration that maybe there's a
section of people who just want to be TikTok famous,
so they're going to start ripping off people's recipes and
they're not really into food themselves. Yeah, and I think
there's this skepticism around someone like Brook who has had
(22:59):
six in the travel industry, being a travel influencer, and
then people are probably like, oh, hang on, and she
just moved into the baking industry because that was the
next thing that was popular on TikTok. And there is
a flattening of this recipe development on TikTok. People aren't
crediting different creators. So yeah, I can see why there
is a little bit of a battle between the old
(23:21):
school and the new school. Another point of contention has
been around Brooks supposed wealth. So Brook is married to
landscape architect Justice Bellamy and they have a young daughter
together called Collette. Wait, so his name is Justice, Yes,
sounds like a judge. Yeah, well that's his first name.
His other brothers and sisters have quite unique names too.
I can tell from the name Justice that he is
(23:42):
philsy Rich. Yeah, there's been this chatter online that Justice
is a billionaire thanks to his family founding Bellamy Organix.
So Bellamy Organic's actually started out as a formula company
in Tasmania. People are saying he funded Brooks Bakeries and
she's had this.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Leg up in the industry.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Now. While it is true that Justine does, his parents
originally founded Bellamy Organics. They sold it in two thousand
and seven to Tasmania Pure Foods and at the time
the company wasn't quite breaking even and they had three employees.
Since then, the company changed its name to Bellamy Australia
and in twenty nineteen was acquired by a Chinese company
for one point five billion dollars. So I'm sure that
(24:21):
Justice's family made good money out of the company in
two thousand and seven, but nowhere near a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I kind of feel like it's irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Even if she did get a leg up, she's still
built her own successful social media career and that's how
she's generated interest in her food. Yes, obviously it helps
to be given money to open a bakery, but she
wouldn't be having lines out the door if it wasn't
for her excellent marketing. Yet, it seems like since this
story has hit the media, people are really focusing on
the money involved, because obviously it's been touted as this
(24:51):
four point six million dollar cookbook, and people are pointing
out that Brooke purchased a three point six million dollar
home off the back of the success of the And
I think it's also because Nagi is viewed as Australia's sweetheart,
so anyone who comes up against her it's very difficult
for them. That's why I was surprised that Nagi actually
came out with these allegations because it is very off
(25:14):
brand for her. It sounds like this story has been
going on behind the scenes for about six months now,
so it's not like Brooke was blindsided when Nagi released
her statement. It sounds like she did give her some
time to come back at her before going public with it.
We need to remember that this is a business issue,
so Nagi last week urged her follow us to stop
trolling Brook and said, you've got to remember this is
(25:36):
my business. Having an issue with Penguin. It's not an
issue directly with brook Yes, she is involved, let's throw
it more of what she said.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
You know, share your opinions, have heated debates. Support Brookie,
support me, disagree with both of us, think we're pathetic,
whatever you want, but just keep it respectful, no trolling,
no hate comments. Fundamentally, at the end of the day,
we're talking recipes and this is a business dispute. You know,
(26:07):
these are legal allegations that I've made against Penguin. A
corporate allegation is made by my company. So it just
we've got to be respectful about this. You know, it's
the recipe, tim Way.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think this just really shows what an amazing person
Nagi is, and people do need to understand that this
is a commercial dispute between businesses, not women. The sad
thing is, though, whenever women are involved in a conflict
like this, the media turn it into a bit of
a catfight and say that they're facing off against each other.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
They don't make it into a business dispute. They tend
to make it very personal.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I was sitting all over my TikTok on the day
that Naggi made her allegations. People sharing these hilarious videos
showing their two cookbooks facing off on the bookshelf, being like, oh,
this is all with it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
The next day each other, well came up.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We're playing into it the other day when I was
there because at the checkout they had the two cookbooks there,
like they're obviously like, well, everyone's talking about these, let's
place them front and center. What makes this even more
awkward is that Nagi and Brook are set to appear
this week at an Australian Book Industry Awards in Melbourne.
So both of their cookbooks have been shortlisted in the
same category. So I wonder if someone is just not
(27:19):
going to turn up. Yeah, I think in this instance,
Brook may be a no show. It's a hard one
because then if she doesn't show up, it almost looks
like she's saying she has done the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
If I was their PR managers, I'd say, hey, ladies,
both turn up and be on the red carpet together
showing some form of solidarity and say this is a
business dispute, it's not personal or I mean, not even
turn up on the red carpet together, but just look civil,
maybe shake hands or something.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I was not expecting it It all happened within the
space of like forty eight hours, sold mine and bought
another one.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Sammy Robinson has made a return to YouTube to announce
she's officially a homeowner. The one Mile founder, who lives
in Sydney, revealed she purchased a dream home over the
Easter Long weekend. Yeah, it's been a bit of a
whirlwind for Sammy because she bought her new home just
two days after selling her apartment. It all happened so quickly.
So Sammy said that while she has been doing her
(28:13):
research and looking at property online for about a year,
she hadn't actually attended an open inspection until she sold
her apartment.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well that's living life on the edge, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, So as soon as the paperwork for her apartment
was done, Sammy made a short list of twenty properties
that she wanted to check out that weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So she went with her mum and looked at as
many as.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They could, and she instantly fell in love with a
property and basically the real estate agent said to her,
if you put in an offer today.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You'll be in with a really good chance. So this
is day one of looking at properties. I think that's
what happens, though.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
When you're looking for a house, you don't realize how
quick you have to be.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, Sammy said that she loved this house so much
that she went to her solicitor straight away. She spent
four hours there going over the contract and going back
and forth with the current owners. She put in an
offer that afternoon. By Sunday night, she got a call
saying that the offer had been accepted.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Such have been a good offer. It all happened in
the space of forty eight hours. Here's how she reacted.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I can't even remember exciting.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What's just happened this weekend?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Like, I have no words.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
We just got accepted.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Done with horse.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You got a backyard?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Now, oh my god, you got a backyard.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Have you been working hard?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Have you been working so high?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
That was Sammy telling her dogs that they're going to
be getting a backyard, which is a bit of a
social media trend at the moment. I've seen people saying
that they're only working hard in order to secure.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Their dogs a backyard.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
She also dropped that her dogs are going to be
water baby. So I'm guessing this house is neither water
or has a pool, and it must be pretty big
because her roommate Holly is going to continue living with
her and her sister is going to move in, so
I would be predicting that this would have quite a
number of bedrooms.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, I mean she must be doing well with one
mile just to be dropping money so quickly on a house. Well,
particularly because she has described this as being her dream house.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
It's like my ddream house. It makes me really emotional,
and I feel like I haven't had a chance to
like let it digest and manifested this place specifically, like
this was everything that was on my list. This place
I will be out for quite a while and I
want to make it perfect and I want to I'm
(30:34):
just after doing my store renaults and sort of the
fit out and the design and the interior design aspect
of that. I feel like I've developed such a newfound
passion for that or interest in that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
This must be a pretty epic house.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
If she is saying that this is her dream home,
because she has lived in some pretty incredible houses with
her parents. I mean her parents' house had a view
of the Sydney Harbor Bridge. She's also had some incredible
holiday houses near the water. I always remember when I
first started following her. Every year Year's she would have
this incredible photo of her and her boyfriend Nick at
(31:07):
the time, making out when the clock struck midnight and
the fireworks were going off and you could see the
Sydney Harbor Ridge in the background, And I always thought,
who is the poor mug start taking this photo?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
A perfect influencer backdrop.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
There.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
One thing that really stood out to me when I
was watching this vlog was just how grateful Sammy was
to her audience. So she said that she was eternally
grateful for her followers and she would never be able
to live this life without them, and she's been able
to transition from YouTube to a successful business owner because
of the support from them. She's a real class at
People will know that she is a favorite of mine.
But it just was very genuine. It didn't feel like
(31:42):
she was just ticking a box. Because I do feel
like there is a bit of a formula. If you're
an influencer and you've bought a house, you must show
that you were grateful to your audience. Even though it's
quite clear that Sammy has worked very hard building her business,
but she knows without her audience, no one would be
buying the products. It's interesting to how much she must
be making from one mile because we spoke about earlier
(32:03):
in the show about Ashy Bynes and how she made
a million dollars in the first twenty four hours of
her active wear drop to think that Sammy has two
stores in Sydney to retail stores.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, she's just set to open the second one in Paddington. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Plus obviously her online e commerce website she must be
doing so well. Yeah, and there's been a lot of
talk about her broadening her horizons to the US. She's
done a lot of shoots over there.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think they did.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Something with Kendall Jenna so, no, it actually wasn't Kendall Jenna.
It was just another model called Kendall.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I think it was off the back of Kendall wearing
one of the items of clothing. And I really played
on it they were shooting with Kendall.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, I bought it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Touching on Sammy's store that she's set to open in Paddington.
I love it because she's talking about having a signature sandwich.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
At the store. Oh, I feel like sandwiches are all
the rage. Yes they are. They're all over my TikTok
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And the more ingredients the better, it seems.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
There is an.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Incredible store in up Lad called Dante's, which I have
to say make the best sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, you were.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Raving about them the other day. I need to go there.
Apparently it's the what is it, the tuna melt. That's
really the tuna mel is incredible. I'm not really a
fan of tuna, but this is next level. If you
had a signature sandwich, what would be in it? I,
being vegetarian, obviously eat a little bit of fish, pescatarian.
I would just love a sandwich bursting with salad, so carrot, beech, root, cheese,
(33:27):
maybe a bit of feather in there, avocado, capsicumque like
just any vegetable you can think of a mayonnaise. I mean,
it's not very injured, pep salm, pepper. Yeah, and on
a sour dough. It has to be on a sour dough.
Sour dough that's hard to bite into as a sous
sour dough. Okay, Well, on that note, it is lunchtime
at Outspoken HQ. You can probably tell that We're absolutely starving,
(33:49):
so we will leave things there for today.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
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episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana
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past and present,
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Sammy Robinson
is the latest influencer to secure her dream home and
the food talk recipe row but First. Almost a year
after the short closure of her active wear brand, Ashi
(00:23):
Biens has revealed the eye watering amount she made of
her collections first Drop. So if the admission came during
a recent podcast episode, this isn't the first time that
we are speaking about content from one of ashe Byn's podcasts,
and I don't think that it's a coincidence at all.
I really think that her podcast has taken a new
direction since it's changed its name and also co host.
(00:44):
The show is now being produced by Nova, and I
wouldn't be surprised if they've seen the success that Listener
has had with the Kickpod and they've gone we need
to replicate that, because as soon as Steph Leesmith and
Laura Henshaw started opening up about their sex lives and
their business secrets, their podcast went flying up the charts.
And I think that a lot of those outlandish stories
(01:06):
are getting attention because they're then featured on news websites
and that leads to more people discovering the podcast and
hitting download. And I think for Ashy and her new
co host Tiana, they thought, let's replicate that we need
to start opening up, and that sort of shock value
seems to have been brought into their podcast, and I
think it also attracts a lot of hate listening because personally,
(01:26):
I'm not that interested in hearing Ashi Bynes talking about
manifestation and self improvement, but I do want to hear
the juicy details about how much her business makes. I
think a lot of influencers thought that they were the
draw cards themselves, so they could just talk about any
issue or concept that interests them. So for ashe, obviously
she is interested in a bit of that woo woo stuff.
(01:47):
But then I think they quickly realized, hey, we actually
need to divulge a bit about our personal lives. I
mean it turned into influences just answering people's dilemmas and
not really giving any information about themselves. Well, in this episode,
they did do what a lot of inflo luancers do
and they put up a question box for their audience,
but they asked their audience to send in burning questions
that they think that Ashi and Tiana would generally avoid answering,
(02:10):
and they really didn't waste time getting into it with
Ash's starting the show by answering what is the easiest.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Cash she's ever made. Let's have a listen to what she.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Said, influence work, for sure, Although when I first launched anything,
the first launch is always the biggest. So when I
first launched active where it was over a million dollars
and twenty four hours, when I first launched my app,
it was the same thing. But I feel influencer work
is the easiest work that you could do. Like, when
influencers say they've got a hard job, I'm like, they don't.
(02:41):
It's like, yes, it takes you've got to be creative
and you've got to be on Like, for sure, it
still takes brain power, but it's very easy to promote
a product that you genuinely love. Yeah, so I'd say
that would be pretty easy.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
At least she's got the self awareness to say that
influencing isn't a difficult job. It's interesting how she phrased
it though, saying, oh, when influencers say they've got a
hard job as if she isn't in that space herself.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, she seemed to want to distance herself from influencers.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
She is known as being an OG influencer, but I
suppose she's made her career a lot broader because she
owned so many different businesses. I think that that's what
she was trying to establish. Can you imagine, though, making
one million dollars in just one day would be pretty nice?
I mean I've always been so curious to know how
much influencers actually make when they launched their own product,
(03:26):
or even when they launched something through an existing brand.
And I feel like a few years ago, we'd always
see influencers.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Filming their launch, so you'd see them and you'd see
how many people are on the website, but you'd never
actually be told how much they'd make. You always just
assumed it was a fuck ton.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean, there's always been question marks about how
much stock influencers actually released to achieve a sellout. I mean,
I remember back in the day when Kylie Jenner used
to put her lip kits on sale and it was
like sold out within thirty seconds, and everyone's like, but
how many were there? Well, clearly, as she sold a
hell of a lot of active where to make a
million dollars in twenty four hours, and she backed it
(04:02):
up when she also launched her app, so she also
made a subsequent one million dollars in twenty four hours,
which really shows how huge her influence was at the time. Yeah,
it appears that influence has waned, though, considering she shut
down her active wear collection, I was curious to see
when she actually launched her active wear line and whether
it was when she was at the height of her fame.
I would have said she was at the height of
(04:23):
her fame in twenty seventeen, but I was surprised to
see she only launched this active wear brand baseline in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
The thing is, though I vividly.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Remember buying a pair of Coalbalt Blue legans from her
did You in twenty seventeen, so she must have also
just had random active wear on her website and it
wasn't through the actual brand baseline. I didn't have you
done as an Ashy Baynes fan back in the day.
I'm I am not an Ashy Baynes fan. I had
just happened to follow her and I Cobalt Blue is
(04:53):
one of my favorite colors. I feel like it looks
really good on blondes, and I'm like, I have to
have those legans. I didn't feel they were the best
quality though. I think I wore them once and that
was it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It seems like.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Ashi Byinnes is a money making machine when it comes
to social media, because she divulged that the most she's
been paid for a single social media post is fifteen
thousand dollars, and she said the average she would get would.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Be around ten grand a post. That is absolutely wild.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
For some reason, all I can think about in this
moment is if she was making so much money, why
didn't she.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Invest in a nice Christmas tree? OJ listeners will know that.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think it was a couple of years ago she
shared this toilet brush looking Christmas tree and it had
the saddest looking tinsel.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I've ever seen. It still haunts me to this day.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, that's just a bousome Hill sponsorship deal waiting to happen,
isn't it. But why does she just pay for her
own She's making ten k off all these posts, well
fifteen k. Evidently people have different priorities except but she
was also talking about like gifting this tree to someone else.
But that's just one of the stories of ashi Bynes
that really sticks with me. Well, the confessions didn't stop
there for Ashiy Bynes, because she also revealed on her
(05:56):
podcast that when she was eighteen, she used to make
ten to twenty grand a week working as a quote
skimpy barmaid.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah. This surprised me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
She said that she used to carry around a lot
of shame about this job and she was embarrassed to
open up about it until now. And she said it
was during a time in her life when she'd just
broken up with her boyfriend and she spent six months
in wa making serious bank.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Here's some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The man over there just tipped like crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I was never a topless waiter yeah, or topless bar girl.
There was the pub that I worked out, and then
there was one next to it with the topless girls
were I never did that. I just didn't have the
confidence too. But yeah, it was fun. It was a
cool time in my life. Fun different be at at
home and make bank, make bank. Yeah, and it's the holidays.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Took my friends on holidays, paid off some bills.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I sensed that she wanted to make it really clear
that she wasn't actually a topless waiter. I feel like
she knew that the media would quickly run with that
as a headline, and I think she was trying to
separate herself from other women working in the industry, which
it almost felt a bit uncomfortable to listen to. Yeah,
particularly when she made such a big that when she
was working as a bar maide, she actually wore more
(07:02):
clothes than other girls working at nightclubs. Yeah, she referenced
Bedroom nightclub, which again I'm not from the Gold Coast.
I wonder if some of our listeners have some memories
of that nightclub. But she said a lot of the
women there would get around in lingerie and just underwear.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But again, I felt like.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It was just weird to be like, no, no, no,
but I didn't do that, Like I wasn't doing that.
And she would say, oh, and I built a good
rapport with the men working there. We were more mates
than anything else. I mean, again, I suppose she did
reference that she felt shame around the role, so maybe
she was carrying that a bit into the segment. Yeah,
it does sound like that now, as she did speak
about how dangerous this job was so She said that
(07:40):
she was in a really lucky position because she had
male friends who would drop her to and from work. However,
her coworkers weren't as lucky. They had to hang out
at the bar or walk home alone.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's really scary, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I love this detail of the story though, because, as
she said, as part of her job she had to
go by a different name. So the name she got
given was Pam. And she said, every now and then,
when she puts up a Q and a box, someone
will come out of the woodwork and say, how are
you going, Pam Oh, And she said she just can't
hide from it, which is maybe why she's decided to
open it up about it in her own terms. I
(08:14):
wonder if she was worried that someone would go to the.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Media about it.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, it seems like maybe someone was threatening to leak
this to the media, not that it's even a very
big deal at all. I was just thinking the whole time, Oh, okay,
so this is like the only fans of them. I
also potentially think that as she felt like now was
a good time to open up about it, because we've
really evolved as a society.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
There would have been nearly as much judgment about this
story as there would have been five ten years ago.
Now it was only a couple of weeks ago so
that we were talking about how Ashi Bynes had launched
her fragrances into New Zealand and essentially offended the whole
country by saying they smelt so last week her brand
Hideaway launched a new campaign and this time they released
(08:54):
an all natural coconut loop.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well we've just launched something new.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
So what is it, exactly?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You're asking? Well, is natural lubricant?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Why?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Because I could not find any in Australia that was clean,
smell good, actually worked and didn't cost me an arm
in a leg, I was paying over one hundred dollars
to order one from the USA because there was nothing
here in Australia. I also heard some absolute horror stories
where other lubricants that were not natural and clean caused irritation,
reactions and burning no thank you. So after quickly realizing
(09:26):
I wasn't alone and wanting a nice natural product to
use in the bedroom, I said to Steve, let's create
it and we did the one hundred percent natural it's
coconut based, no paraban Oasilicon, No nasties under forty dollars
for a tube of one hundred and fifty mils, keep
packaging easier to order online, so no more awkward supermarket checkout.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Tell me you're an influencer without telling me you're an influencer.
A one hundred dollars on a bottle of loop?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
What is it going on?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Because you've on this cost of living crisis? I mean,
have I been living under a rock? Or is that extreme?
Like I've never heard anyone spending one hundred dollars on
I get that she's saying it's all natural and it's fancy.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Et cetera.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But most people just going down to Woolies and buying
the ten dollars sheet off the aisle.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I suppose it's quite a personal thing that people don't
generally talk about. So this story actually does remind me
of a guy that one of our friends was dating.
And I don't want to give too many details because
I don't want to get in trouble, but he definitely
wasn't dropping one hundred dollars on Loube because he liked
to keep a jar of coconut oil next to his bed,
(10:29):
so on his bedside table.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He was keeping it natural and he would spoon a
little bit out and use it instead.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Look, I don't know if she'd be putting that out there,
because I don't know if that's particularly a safe method.
I'm not suggesting that anyone should be doing this. That's
horribly in my mind. Can you imagine the ick of
hearing the jar being unscrewed and the.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Screening of the spoon. Maybe he should just invest in
one hundred dollars as she buys lube.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I mean, whenever I'm cooking with coconut oil, it's really
actually hard to get out of the container, like sometimes
you need a warm spoon, or.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Because it's hard. The coconut oil is usually hard.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I remember in my early twenties hearing a story about
a guy who used to refuse to buy lu because
he didn't want to invest in it, so he would
use olive oil. Oh my god, SOAVI, are you're giving
some horror stories away. I feel like this is very
low brow for our podcast. Maybe this is why there's
some good natural products on the market now, because there's
so many people who had bad experiences with olive oil.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And coconut oil.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I don't think they're doing it for the natural reasons.
It sounds like laziness to me.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No, what I'm.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Saying that now, there's probably women who were like demanding
all natural products because they've had some negative reaction or
irritation to stuff that they shouldn't be using.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Maybe Ashy Biens is doing God's work.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Here are outside Brookies bakehouse.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It is just opening this morning. We're working on.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
This story today regarding the allegations of plagiarism against a
Brookie made by Nagi from recipe Tin to Eat. Two
of Australia's most popular food creators are engaged in a
plagiarism row over dessert recipes. Nagi Mahashi has a q
Brooke Bellamy of plagiarizing two of her recipes in her
best selling cookbook Bait with Brookie. Brooke denies the claim,
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saying all the recipes in.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Her cookbook are her own.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Okay, before we get into it, can you get us
up to speed with the main players of this story. Yeah,
So this story is massive because these two food creators
are big deals in the Australian food industry. You've got Nagi,
who is one of Australia's most beloved and influential home cooks.
She is the founder of highly successful food blog recipe
tin Eats. I'm a regular visitor to the blog.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Nearly all of.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
My good recipes come from Nagi, and I think what
really sets her recipes apart is that they're easy enough
to cook on a weeknight, but they taste amazing and
they're pretty cost effective. I'm just obsessed with her dog, Dozer.
He's a senior Golden Retriever. He is adorable, He's got
the cutest white face. He's had a couple of health problems,
and it's really him who's won me over.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
They're such a sweet duo together.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Every one of her Instagram stories that features Dozer I
put a little love on on now. Her story is
a really an vpirational one too, because she gave up
her job in corporate finance in twenty fourteen to pursue
her passion with food, and since then her blog has
amassed over five hundred million views. She's attracted almost two
million social media followers and released two best selling cookbooks.
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To top it off, In twenty twenty, Nagi founded a
not for profit food bank called recipe Tin Meals that
donates nearly one hundred thousand meals to vulnerable people in Sydney.
So she is an incredible woman.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
As for brook Bellamy, she launched Brookies Bakehouse in Brisbane
in twenty twenty two and the bakery was an instant
success thanks to her massive presence on TikTok. So she
has two million TikTok followers and one million on Instagram
and most days there is a massive lineup just to
get into her bakery.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And it got to the point where brook began having.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
To ship cookies and cakes Australia wide and even internationally
because the demand was so huge. She's even opened up
pop up stores in Abu Dhabi and also Dubai. And
in October last year she published a cookbook called Bake
with Brookie and it has been incredibly successful up until
this point. She sold over ninety two thousand copies and
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she has generated a predicted four point six million dollars
in sales. Now we need to talk about the allegations.
So on Tuesday, Nagi announced on her website that she
had made copyright infringement allegations against Penguin Random House Australia.
She wrote, this is a story about a multimillion dollar
cookbook by a social media influencer, published by a blue
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chip publisher, featuring numerous recipes that, in my opinion, are plagiarized.
Given the detailed and extensive word for words similarities to
mine and those of other authors. To me, the similarities
between the recipes in question are far too specific in
detailed to be dismissed as coincidence. Penguin has denied the allegations.
I have received no response from book Bellamy, the author.
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Now the recipes in question are a caramel slice and
a buck LeVar Nagi went on to share screenshots of
the recipes side by to show the similarities.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Within hours, Brook responded to the allegations, denying that she
plagiarized any recipes in her cookbook. She claimed that she'd
been selling caramel slices commercially since twenty sixteen. She wrote,
on March twenty twenty, recipe tin Eats published a recipe
for caramel slice. It uses the same ingredients as my recipe,
which I have been making and selling since four years prior.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now as a form of a receipt.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
She shared a photo of her pastry case in the
bakery and circled the caramel slice on a plate. Now,
I don't quite understand how the photo proves she used
a particular recipe. God, does anyone else feel like caramel slice? Though?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Just like I feel like I've gotta try this recipe out.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I mean. Brookie also claimed that she offered to remove
both the caramel slice and Bucclovar recipe from future prints
of her book to prevent further aggravation. Now, another popular
baking identity has come out of the woodwork to also
make claims against brook So. Sally McKenny from Sally's Baking
Addiction in the US alleged that Brooks vanilla cake recipe
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also closely resembles her own. Nagi also has since accused
brook of copying the late Bill Granger's Portuguese tart recipe. Again,
this segment is making me very hungry. But I want
to pose the big question to you, because this is
what I've been thinking about all week in terms of
this story. Is it possible to plagiarize a recipe? Because
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it's a really interesting discussion. Where is the line between
inspiration and plagiarism, particularly when it comes to baking sweet
goods because there's such a formula you need to follow.
It's not like a savory recipe where you can chuck
in a bit of this and a bit of that
and it'll work out. Yeah. And I think there was
a lot of confusion, particularly because everyone was focused on
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the caramel slice recipe, and a caramel slice is a
very traditional recipe. There's not a lot of different ways
you can make it, so a lot of people don't
understand how a recipe for caramel slice can be copied.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, because it's a very basic recipe, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And the thing is those people clearly don't follow Nagi
on social media because she often shares the long process
that she goes to develop a recipe. And yes, a
caramel slice recipe doesn't differ much, but you can perfect
it and you can test different ratios out and that's
what she does. So she's not saying that she invented
the recipe, but she's saying that she's extensively tested different
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versions until she's come up with one that's worked best
for her.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's definitely very.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Complex, and I think unless you're a chef and know
what goes into developing a recipe, you probably don't fully
understand it. Legal experts have weighed in saying that yes,
it is possible to plagiarize a recipe, but recipe copyright
cases are very complex.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So you can't copyright the concept of.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Say a caramel slice, but once you've written down that recipe,
that becomes a copyright literary work.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
So, in Australia, copyright law protects the unique expression of
a recipe, which means the specific wording, instructions, and presentation. However,
the underlying list of ingredients or general method is not
protected by law. Therefore, copying the exact text or unique
elements of a recipe without permission can constitute copyright infringement.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We reckon.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
That's why sometimes we see recipes where people have thrown
in some.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Really random ingredients.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You're like wow, like you know that doesn't really belong
in there, but they've tried to make it different.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I think it's also around the way you present the recipe.
So a lot of cookbook authors will tell a really
special story about how they came to create the recipe
or you know, the inspiration behind it. And in Brookie's Cookbook,
we're not seeing that it's a very basic recipe or here,
this is how I made it. The steps are simple,
so there's not really that art of storytelling within it
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as well. It's quite interesting and I think something that
seemed to catch Brooke out a little bit was that
there was a mistake in Nagi's Blacklovar recipe which is
then mirrored in Brooks recipe.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Which is a bit awkward.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think that was a little bit of a smoking
gun for some people.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
While the whole plagiarism recipe situation is complex from a
copyright perspective, when it comes to how the food writing
industry views it, it's quite different because from an ethical stance,
closely mimicking someone's recipe is considered plagiary.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's very frowned upon, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And again that is from an ethical stance, not so
much illegal stance.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, So the best practice is to.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Credit the original source, and that's what Nagi wanted. She
said that she would have given Brook her permission and
blessing to use the recipe if she just asked. And
I feel like the food community in Australia is probably
quite a tight knit one that seems like a very
wholesome community. Yeah. I feel like again, if a mission
was sought, she would have just given it. Yeah. And
I think while a lot has been said about this case,
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one thing that I haven't seen discussed is this hierarchy
in the food creator space. And I think a lot
of the vitriol aimed at Brook has to do with
the fact that people don't think she's got baking credentials.
She had a meteoric rise into the food industry from
TikTok and I remember her content popping up on my
TikTok for you Paid and being absolutely amazed at how
she had managed to build this incredible business from just
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sharing day in the life blogs.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Now I only just.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Discovered since the plagiarism scandal broke that Brook was a
highly successful travel blogger before opening her bakery. So she
was known by her maiden named Brook Starwood, and she
started up a travel blog called World of Wonderlus in
twenty twelve. This blog was absolutely massive. She had around
six million readers a year and one point two million
social media followers from it. And it was actually during
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her travels that she developed her love for food and
for baking, which has then inspired her career in food
thus far. Yeah, and before Brookie's bake House, she opened
her first bakery in Tasmania in twenty sixteen, called Charlie's
Dessert House. Now, it was in twenty twenty when the
pandemic hit that Brooke found herself at this crossroad when
international travel was halted, and that's when she turned her
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attention to baking and eventually opened Brookies bake House in
twenty twenty two. It is interesting to consider how many
of Brook's travel audience converted over to her baking content,
because her Instagram account is still live for her wonder
last one and she actually links to Brookies Bakehouse over there.
I suppose travel and food sort of go hand in hand,
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don't they, Because a lot of the time travel bloggers
will show you a country's cuisine. It's very aspirational content,
so I can see how they go quite nicely together. Yeah,
it definitely makes sense. And I think it is this
influencer status that Brooke had before launching Brookies Bakehouse that
has got people questioning is she a legitimate baker?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Is this just another business venture for her?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I feel like those who are questioning it are definitely
people in the food industry and who I've been working
in the food industry for decades, and they feel a
little bit insecure about the rise of these TikTok content
creators because, I mean, all over my algorithm at the moment,
I'm seeing these really quick, fast recipes that are easy
to make, and there isn't really a lot of crediting
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going on. And people are building huge careers off being
really creative in the way that they film something. But
maybe those people don't actually have the technical skills in
building a recipe. But isn't this just how the cooking
landscape has progressed. I mean, we originally had cookbook authors,
now we have bloggers, and now we have got TikTok creators.
There's always been snobbery around the next iteration, is that
(22:16):
just what we're seeing here? It definitely is the way forward,
and it's the way that I personally build up recipes
for dinner.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'll always save something that looks quick and easy.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
But I think the frustration is coming from food creators
who have worked in the industry for decades and they've
tested and trialed these recipes for people to then seemingly
steal them and with creators like Nagi.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
She's all about.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Building a story, and their work is beautiful, like their
works of art, what they create about these particular recipes
and the personal stories that they bring into them. And
I think that there's some frustration that maybe there's a
section of people who just want to be TikTok famous,
so they're going to start ripping off people's recipes and
they're not really into food themselves. Yeah, and I think
there's this skepticism around someone like Brook who has had
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six in the travel industry, being a travel influencer, and
then people are probably like, oh, hang on, and she
just moved into the baking industry because that was the
next thing that was popular on TikTok. And there is
a flattening of this recipe development on TikTok. People aren't
crediting different creators. So yeah, I can see why there
is a little bit of a battle between the old
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school and the new school. Another point of contention has
been around Brooks supposed wealth. So Brook is married to
landscape architect Justice Bellamy and they have a young daughter
together called Collette. Wait, so his name is Justice, Yes,
sounds like a judge. Yeah, well that's his first name.
His other brothers and sisters have quite unique names too.
I can tell from the name Justice that he is
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philsy Rich. Yeah, there's been this chatter online that Justice
is a billionaire thanks to his family founding Bellamy Organix.
So Bellamy Organic's actually started out as a formula company
in Tasmania. People are saying he funded Brooks Bakeries and
she's had this.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Leg up in the industry.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Now. While it is true that Justine does, his parents
originally founded Bellamy Organics. They sold it in two thousand
and seven to Tasmania Pure Foods and at the time
the company wasn't quite breaking even and they had three employees.
Since then, the company changed its name to Bellamy Australia
and in twenty nineteen was acquired by a Chinese company
for one point five billion dollars. So I'm sure that
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Justice's family made good money out of the company in
two thousand and seven, but nowhere near a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I kind of feel like it's irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Even if she did get a leg up, she's still
built her own successful social media career and that's how
she's generated interest in her food. Yes, obviously it helps
to be given money to open a bakery, but she
wouldn't be having lines out the door if it wasn't
for her excellent marketing. Yet, it seems like since this
story has hit the media, people are really focusing on
the money involved, because obviously it's been touted as this
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four point six million dollar cookbook, and people are pointing
out that Brooke purchased a three point six million dollar
home off the back of the success of the And
I think it's also because Nagi is viewed as Australia's sweetheart,
so anyone who comes up against her it's very difficult
for them. That's why I was surprised that Nagi actually
came out with these allegations because it is very off
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brand for her. It sounds like this story has been
going on behind the scenes for about six months now,
so it's not like Brooke was blindsided when Nagi released
her statement. It sounds like she did give her some
time to come back at her before going public with it.
We need to remember that this is a business issue,
so Nagi last week urged her follow us to stop
trolling Brook and said, you've got to remember this is
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my business. Having an issue with Penguin. It's not an
issue directly with brook Yes, she is involved, let's throw
it more of what she said.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
You know, share your opinions, have heated debates. Support Brookie,
support me, disagree with both of us, think we're pathetic,
whatever you want, but just keep it respectful, no trolling,
no hate comments. Fundamentally, at the end of the day,
we're talking recipes and this is a business dispute. You know,
(26:07):
these are legal allegations that I've made against Penguin. A
corporate allegation is made by my company. So it just
we've got to be respectful about this. You know, it's
the recipe, tim Way.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think this just really shows what an amazing person
Nagi is, and people do need to understand that this
is a commercial dispute between businesses, not women. The sad
thing is, though, whenever women are involved in a conflict
like this, the media turn it into a bit of
a catfight and say that they're facing off against each other.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
They don't make it into a business dispute. They tend
to make it very personal.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I was sitting all over my TikTok on the day
that Naggi made her allegations. People sharing these hilarious videos
showing their two cookbooks facing off on the bookshelf, being like, oh,
this is all with it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
The next day each other, well came up.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We're playing into it the other day when I was
there because at the checkout they had the two cookbooks there,
like they're obviously like, well, everyone's talking about these, let's
place them front and center. What makes this even more
awkward is that Nagi and Brook are set to appear
this week at an Australian Book Industry Awards in Melbourne.
So both of their cookbooks have been shortlisted in the
same category. So I wonder if someone is just not
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going to turn up. Yeah, I think in this instance,
Brook may be a no show. It's a hard one
because then if she doesn't show up, it almost looks
like she's saying she has done the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
If I was their PR managers, I'd say, hey, ladies,
both turn up and be on the red carpet together
showing some form of solidarity and say this is a
business dispute, it's not personal or I mean, not even
turn up on the red carpet together, but just look civil,
maybe shake hands or something.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I was not expecting it It all happened within the
space of like forty eight hours, sold mine and bought
another one.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Sammy Robinson has made a return to YouTube to announce
she's officially a homeowner. The one Mile founder, who lives
in Sydney, revealed she purchased a dream home over the
Easter Long weekend. Yeah, it's been a bit of a
whirlwind for Sammy because she bought her new home just
two days after selling her apartment. It all happened so quickly.
So Sammy said that while she has been doing her
(28:13):
research and looking at property online for about a year,
she hadn't actually attended an open inspection until she sold
her apartment.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well that's living life on the edge, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, So as soon as the paperwork for her apartment
was done, Sammy made a short list of twenty properties
that she wanted to check out that weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So she went with her mum and looked at as
many as.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They could, and she instantly fell in love with a
property and basically the real estate agent said to her,
if you put in an offer today.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You'll be in with a really good chance. So this
is day one of looking at properties. I think that's
what happens, though.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
When you're looking for a house, you don't realize how
quick you have to be.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, Sammy said that she loved this house so much
that she went to her solicitor straight away. She spent
four hours there going over the contract and going back
and forth with the current owners. She put in an
offer that afternoon. By Sunday night, she got a call
saying that the offer had been accepted.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Such have been a good offer. It all happened in
the space of forty eight hours. Here's how she reacted.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I can't even remember exciting.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What's just happened this weekend?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Like, I have no words.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
We just got accepted.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Done with horse.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
You got a backyard?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Now, oh my god, you got a backyard.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Have you been working hard?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Have you been working so high?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
That was Sammy telling her dogs that they're going to
be getting a backyard, which is a bit of a
social media trend at the moment. I've seen people saying
that they're only working hard in order to secure.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Their dogs a backyard.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
She also dropped that her dogs are going to be
water baby. So I'm guessing this house is neither water
or has a pool, and it must be pretty big
because her roommate Holly is going to continue living with
her and her sister is going to move in, so
I would be predicting that this would have quite a
number of bedrooms.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, I mean she must be doing well with one
mile just to be dropping money so quickly on a house. Well,
particularly because she has described this as being her dream house.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
It's like my ddream house. It makes me really emotional,
and I feel like I haven't had a chance to
like let it digest and manifested this place specifically, like
this was everything that was on my list. This place
I will be out for quite a while and I
want to make it perfect and I want to I'm
(30:34):
just after doing my store renaults and sort of the
fit out and the design and the interior design aspect
of that. I feel like I've developed such a newfound
passion for that or interest in that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
This must be a pretty epic house.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
If she is saying that this is her dream home,
because she has lived in some pretty incredible houses with
her parents. I mean her parents' house had a view
of the Sydney Harbor Bridge. She's also had some incredible
holiday houses near the water. I always remember when I
first started following her. Every year Year's she would have
this incredible photo of her and her boyfriend Nick at
(31:07):
the time, making out when the clock struck midnight and
the fireworks were going off and you could see the
Sydney Harbor Ridge in the background, And I always thought,
who is the poor mug start taking this photo?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
A perfect influencer backdrop.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
There.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
One thing that really stood out to me when I
was watching this vlog was just how grateful Sammy was
to her audience. So she said that she was eternally
grateful for her followers and she would never be able
to live this life without them, and she's been able
to transition from YouTube to a successful business owner because
of the support from them. She's a real class at
People will know that she is a favorite of mine.
But it just was very genuine. It didn't feel like
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she was just ticking a box. Because I do feel
like there is a bit of a formula. If you're
an influencer and you've bought a house, you must show
that you were grateful to your audience. Even though it's
quite clear that Sammy has worked very hard building her business,
but she knows without her audience, no one would be
buying the products. It's interesting to how much she must
be making from one mile because we spoke about earlier
(32:03):
in the show about Ashy Bynes and how she made
a million dollars in the first twenty four hours of
her active wear drop to think that Sammy has two
stores in Sydney to retail stores.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, she's just set to open the second one in Paddington. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Plus obviously her online e commerce website she must be
doing so well. Yeah, and there's been a lot of
talk about her broadening her horizons to the US. She's
done a lot of shoots over there.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think they did.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Something with Kendall Jenna so, no, it actually wasn't Kendall Jenna.
It was just another model called Kendall.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
So.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I think it was off the back of Kendall wearing
one of the items of clothing. And I really played
on it they were shooting with Kendall.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, I bought it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Touching on Sammy's store that she's set to open in Paddington.
I love it because she's talking about having a signature sandwich.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
At the store. Oh, I feel like sandwiches are all
the rage. Yes they are. They're all over my TikTok
at the moment.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And the more ingredients the better, it seems.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
There is an.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Incredible store in up Lad called Dante's, which I have
to say make the best sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, you were.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Raving about them the other day. I need to go there.
Apparently it's the what is it, the tuna melt. That's
really the tuna mel is incredible. I'm not really a
fan of tuna, but this is next level. If you
had a signature sandwich, what would be in it? I,
being vegetarian, obviously eat a little bit of fish, pescatarian.
I would just love a sandwich bursting with salad, so carrot, beech, root, cheese,
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maybe a bit of feather in there, avocado, capsicumque like
just any vegetable you can think of a mayonnaise. I mean,
it's not very injured, pep salm, pepper. Yeah, and on
a sour dough. It has to be on a sour dough.
Sour dough that's hard to bite into as a sous
sour dough. Okay, Well, on that note, it is lunchtime
at Outspoken HQ. You can probably tell that We're absolutely starving,
(33:49):
so we will leave things there for today.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
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episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana
people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders
past and present,
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