October 9, 2025 • 29 mins
Ashy Bines has reignited her feud with Gretty Rose and Sammy Leo. Tammy Hembrow has been labelled disrespectful after teasing a reunion with her ex-fiance, Reece Hawkins. It’s not the first time the OG influencer has made it public that she’s hanging out with her ex. Fans turn on Taylor Swift after her album release… AND our Friday debrief.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Tauber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro
is labeled disrespectful after hanging out with an ex fans
turn on Taylor Swift after her album release and our
Friday de brief but First, Ashy Bindes has reignited her
(00:22):
feud with Gretty Rose and Sammy Leok. Can you tell
us more?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It all started when Ash shared a clip to TikTok
from a podcast episode she did where she answered listener
dilemmas and she was asked her thoughts on a friendship breakdown,
and during her answer, she revealed that she's been in
the exact same situation. She conceded when it comes to friendship,
she has an anxious attachment style. Here's more of what
she said.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
However, this is I've been in this exact situation, and
I am quite an anxious attachment when it comes to friendships,
and I have a wound of being abandoned and rejected
and I like to have closure over things. But I've
had a friend that hasn't given me any closure, that
won't pick up the phone, that won't FaceTime, that won't reply,
and I've just been left so totally here where she's
(01:08):
at because it's like, I want to keep this friendship.
I don't know what's happened. I'm left over here being
like what the hell? But I got to a point
where I was like, I actually have to unplug because
there is nothing else I can do and you keep
just breaking your own heart.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yes, true.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And also I got to a point too, I think
within it, within Tiana and my friendship, the way Tiana
communicates with me and creates a safe place that we
can bring anything in, it raised my standard of what
I wanted a friendship, so it made it easier for
me to unplug from this other friendship.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
We have spoken on this podcast before, Kate about how
many resources that Ashy binds us throwing into this podcast.
It's clear she wants to make it very popular, and
unfortunately it doesn't seem to be having the success yet
that she is wanting because she had to cancel a
live podcast show. We saw on the charts that it's
not doing that well, that they don't have a huge
(02:01):
fan base listening to this show in comparison to the
amount of people that follow her, which is over a
million followers. Like you would expect a big influencer would
be getting a lot of downloads in the podcast. So
she has thought to herself, I'm going to get interest
by trying to reignite a feud or revisit this feud
between her former friends Gretty and Sammy. We often get
dms on the regular saying please, can you talk about
(02:21):
this feud? I'm so invested, tell me what happened. Yeah,
And it seems like Gretty and Sammy have taken the
bait because off the back of this video, they shared
their own TikTok where they appeared together on screen with
texts that said when your bestie just clopped the same
shit as I did, and in the video they look
at each other and laugh. The video was captioned debrief pending,
(02:42):
and the comments were an interesting read. One person wrote
NDA over yet or what and another said tell us
when the NDA's over, don't tease us now. This is
a rumor that has followed ash Bines for quite a
long time. She's had a lot of high profile friendship
busts ups and people have said none of the friends
talk out because they're forced to sign NDA's. She has
come out on her podcast and said this is completely untrue.
(03:03):
How do you feel about them piggybacking off this though,
and obviously creating their own content. I mean, it's just
the nature of social media. We spoke a couple of
weeks ago about how friendship bust ups are the way
to stay relevant online. Everyone cares about you when you're
feuding with another influencer. So I think it's a smart
content strategy. But it is a little bit hypocritical because
you're saying, oh, how dare this person call us out?
(03:24):
But you're doing the same thing. I think people are
growing tired of it because they see a group of
women in their thirties who were mothers fighting over something
really petty that happened a couple of years ago. It's
sort of something that you would expect people in their
early twenties to fight about. I don't know how I
feel about you age shaming them for fighting in their thirties.
I'm definitely not age shaming. I'm just saying that I
(03:46):
think people expect more of them, more of a maturity level,
than to get caught up on some crap that happened
ten years ago. It's funny you say that, though, because
when Indy Clinton got that PI and found out who
all her trolls were, they happened to be mums, probably
in their thirties. I think it's a time in life
where you may be looking after children, so you aren't
pouring heaps into yourself, and you need strong friendships, and
(04:10):
you might not get back from those friends what you need,
and that would cause a fight. And it is a
time in your life when some of your friendships do
fall apart because you're in different stages and you can't
relate to one another. All I am saying, though, is
that I think the response has been one of people
saying this is a bit immature. Yeah, and also a
sense of just tell us what happened, Like if you're
not going to open up about it, then we don't
want to hear you referencing it anymore. Get ready with me.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I already put on my foundation, but I thought I'll
do like a little chip chart catch up.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Tammy Hembro has been labeled disrespectful after teasing a reunion
with her ex fiance Rhys Hawkins. Is not the first
time the og influencer has made it public that she's
hanging out with her ex ca can you tell us
more So? On Saturday night, Tammy posted an instant story
of her two young daughters hugging at a bowling center.
So a first glance, looked like just a regular wholesome
(05:01):
family night out. That was until super Sluice spotted the
bowling scoreboard that featured at the top of the frame
of the Instagram story. It was literally there for a
couple of seconds max. It turns out that Tammy was
bowling with her three children and her ex fiance, Reese Hawkins.
So Reese is the father of Tammy's two eldest children,
(05:22):
Wolf and Saskia. The following night, Tammy then backed the
video up by sharing a TikTok of her and Reese
at the bowling center. So for those who haven't seen it,
Tammy set up her camera and then she moved back
into the frame to stand next to Reese, and at
that point, she hoisted her jeans up with her tongue
poking out and tried to pull Reese into the shot
(05:43):
next to her as she pouted and kicked her back
leg up. Reese kind of looked awkward. He looked at
her like, what the fuck, and then he kind of
playfully pushed the bowling ball towards her. I don't think
he's totally innocent. He is clearly in on the videos.
He's appearing in it for God's sake. To be fair,
she kind of set up the camera as he was
picking up his bowling ball, and I think it's kind
(06:06):
of that thing where he doesn't know how to react
to it. So you don't think he was in on
the video. No, I think this was all set up
by Tammy, and he was kind of an innocent bystander
in a sense, because you've got to remember, the three
kids are there, so if he makes a scene, it
actually detracts from their whole family night. So I think
he just played along in the moment. But then again,
he could say, hey, Sojie might not posting that because
(06:26):
it might be a bit disrespectful to my girlfriend. I'm
sure she probably would have respected that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We don't know the conversation that I think that he
plays on it as well, because they both know that
together they're incredibly popular. People are very nostalgic about this relationship.
We saw that when we did our Tammy deep dives
there were so many people who were shipping the relationship
and they saw the two of them as ultimate couple goals. Well,
Tammy certainly got the reaction she was after, because the
clip went viral on social media. At the time of recording,
(06:53):
it's had three point six million views, and Tammy starred
the pop further on Tuesday night, sharing an Instagram story
of her mimi to Taylor Swift's song The Life of
a Showgirl. She then panned across to Reese driving the
car with their two kids in the back, and he
was shaking his head and she captured the video not
a swifty. His reaction is the same reaction that most
boyfriends have when their girlfriends try to film in Instagram's story,
(07:15):
just being like, not again, I don't want to be
in this, But this is a different one because they're
not together. It really seems like Tammy has made a
conscious effort since announcing the divorce to include Reese in
her content, because three weeks after the divorce announcement, she
shared a video of her prank calling Reaese Now that
TikTok got one point four million views. Then a month later,
(07:35):
she posted a video of her Reese and their two
kids posing with the caption whole Gangs here. That video
went absolutely nuts. It's had sixteen point seven million views
and it sparked rumors that they were getting back together.
The captions have sparked a lot of conversations around where
Posey fits into this family because she is Tammy's third daughter,
her father is Matt Paul, which is Tammy's second fiance,
(07:57):
and by saying the whole gangs here and not including
her in the video, a lot of people were like, well,
how is the whole gang here? Your third daughter is missing?
And then in the other video she said mum and dad,
and Posey was in that video, Reece Hawkins, isn't her dad? Yeah?
A lot of people thought it was in bad taste,
and it seems like Matt Paul kind of responded in
his own way on Instagram, so he shared a photo
(08:18):
dump from that weekend and someone commented on it saying,
glad Posey is with you and not spending the whole
time with the other kid's dad, so confusing for all involved,
and Matt replied simply agree, Wow, Yeah, I didn't know
that things had gotten that frosty between them because Tammy
really prides herself and having a good co parenting relationship
with both Matt and Reese. There were a few rumors
(08:41):
that maybe things weren't going well in the background when
he did like that post mocking her crying after breaking
up with Matt Zakowski. Yeah, judging by their social media interactions,
it seems like things are a little bit tense between
Tammy and Matt. Paul I want to talk about where
liv Kelly fits into all of this, because she is
a Gold Coast fitness influence so who recently went Instagram
(09:02):
official with Reese Hawkins. They may live in different countries,
but they are boyfriend and girlfriend. Reese of course, resides
in Balley. It does seem like she is the reason
why he's spending a lot of time in Australia as well.
I mean, I feel live a little bit torn on
that because it's nice for his kids, but then it's like, well,
why aren't you here visiting your kids rather than your girlfriend.
But anyway, Live Kelly is yet to officially comment on
(09:23):
the recent Tammy Reese situation. It's interesting to note, though,
that she shared a photo dump from the weekend, but
didn't include photos of Reese in it, even though he
was on the Gold Coast. So do we think they've
had a massive argument following some of Tammy's posts. I
think so because on Saturday, she also shared a video
of her miming to a trending sound of Kylie Jenna saying, dude,
I'm getting my personality back though, like I'm feeling like
(09:44):
myself again. I really it was not myself and someone
commented on the video, just end things with Reese so
he can be with Tammy. They suit each other so well. Now.
Another person jumped in and wrote back to the commenter,
Tammy treated Reese as a doormat and used the children
to punish him. Please, just like the children be happy
for once. Olivia is obviously very supportive of their co parenting.
Tammy could learn a thing or two because she pulled
(10:06):
the exact same tricks on London Now Live liked this
comment that speaks volumes. Do we actually think that these
are genuine comments from outsiders or if these are their
friends in fake accounts? I think they are genuine. I
mean there were a lot of people saying that the
situation between Tammy and Reese is very reminiscent of how
(10:28):
she acted when he started dating London Goen, who ended
up being his wife. They have now split up. Well
Live continued to stoke the fire on Tuesday, she shared
a compilation of clips of herself with the trending sound
just be a little more thoughtful and a little bit kinder,
because you really don't know what somebody's dealing with or
going through, and she captioned that video saying a YouTube
(10:49):
video was coming with a full life update.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I went and checked the YouTube channel to see if
it was out before we recorded. It is not out yet,
but I noted that Live only has sixty three subscribers
on the platform. So I found it quite interesting because
maybe she is also using this as a bit of
a content strategy and thinks, oh, well, I'm getting a
bit of extra attention from this tammy situation. I might
as well bolst my influencing career.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
An sharckingly offensive thing to say.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Absolutely, it is not the last.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's not why people get married, No, exactly so that they.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Last. Friday, Taylor Swift dropped her twelfth album, The Life
of a Showgirl to polarizing reviews, Despite the album breaking
streaming and sales records. Taylor is copying backlash even from
her most die hard fans, and Okay, as one of those,
I want to know, how do you feel about the album? Well,
I was personally taken back by the negative response because
(11:41):
I loved the album from the get go and that
hasn't been something I've experienced since Lover. So I really
did like Tortured Poets Department, but it took me a
while to get into it. I mean, there were so
many songs released. It was like, you know, thirty different songs.
It was a bit of a slow burn. Yeah, it
was more of a slow burn. But with this from
the get go, I'm like, love that, love that, got
(12:02):
that stuck in my head. Like I can actually listen
to the full album and there's no skips for me
because we're pretty basic. I love anything pop. So this
album really speaks to me. And again, because we were
listening and we were instantly messaging each other our reaction
to each songs. Love It, love that, love that, Oh
my god, this is it gets even better. So I
was pretty shocked to see the reaction online from people,
(12:24):
people who I think are almost acting like they're too
cool to be a Taylor Swift fan, Well, I think
there are two camps because I think it does depend
on what albums of Taylor's are your favorite. So for me,
I love nineteen eighty nine, I loved Lover, I loved Reputation.
They're probably my top three Taylor Swift album and I
think that The Life of a show Girl has that
vibe a mixture of all three of those. It really
(12:44):
seems to be the folklore and evermore fans who were
struggling with this album release. Yeah, I mean they are
probably my least favorite Taylor Swift albums. I tried really
hard to listen to them leading into the eras to
it because I knew that was such a big portion
of the tour. And I admit there are some really
good songs on there, like I Love August, but to me,
that's not really the type of music I like listening to.
(13:06):
But it doesn't mean that I went on social media
and absolutely slam Taylor, which is what has been happening.
It seems like a lot of people have just been
waiting to have a go at her so tall poppy syndrome.
A lot of people have labeled the lyrics as cringe,
and there's also a lot of hate being directed at
her fiance Travis Kelsey. They say that he's not a
good enough music Yeah. I mean that was the case
(13:26):
even when Taylor released Tortured Poets, because a couple of
the songs on the album were about Travis so high
school and also the Alchemy, and there was a lot
of conversations online about how the lyrics are quite juvenile. Again,
they were probably two of my favorite songs from Tortured Poets,
So I think it just depends on the type of
music people like. I think there's been a long standing
(13:47):
fear for quite some time now that when Taylor gets married,
that she's suddenly going to become a shit writer and
not have any heartbreak to talk about anymore. And I
think that people are almost projecting that into this album. Yeah. Well,
there were a lot of people complaining online that Taylor
being happy doesn't generate the same level of penmanship that
it does when she is heartbroken, and there were even
(14:08):
people saying that they can't wait for the divorce album now.
This type of commentary led The New Yorker to run
with the headline do we still like Taylor Swift when
she's happy? In the article, the journalist Tyler Foggett wrote
the weak lyricism in the Travis Kelsey and Spied Songs
and the Life of a show Girl has led to
some of the most virulent and sexist anti Swift discourse
in years. Some have gone so far as to speculate
(14:30):
that Alwan was ghostwriting Swift songs all along, which is
especially devastating giving how much time Swift has spent fighting
not only to be recognized as a songwriter, but to
claim ownership of her own work. It's incredibly unfair that
this is being pushed. There's just this general tone of
nastiness towards Travis where people are saying she is dumbing
(14:50):
down her writing just to impress him. Yeah, I mean,
it's just so sexless to say, oh, Joe Ollan must
have written all of her good lyrics. I mean, yes,
he was a co writer on on Folklore and evermore.
But do we not think that potentially it is more
about him as amused. It seems like Taylor was never
really that confident in that relationship and she was always
(15:11):
trying to work on it, whereas this album it reflects
that she's in a very happy and healthy relationship with
Travis Kelce. Is that not what we want? And I
also think that potentially a lot of the people who
don't like the album are in their heartbreak era and
that's why it's not resonating with them or In that
New Yorker piece, the journalists also explored the notion that
Taylor's longest and most intense relationship has been this parasocial
(15:35):
one that she has with her fans. So Tyler wrote,
Swift's fans feel like they know her and have a
deep personal connection with her. They are just as invested
in her music as they are in her life, and
at least until now, those two things haven't been in
conflict for years. It felt like she wrote songs that
spoke to the core of the female experience at its
most vulnerable. It felt like she lived and learned in
(15:56):
parallel with her listeners, and that feeling is gone now.
At the end of the article, Tyler also posed the question,
Swift is about to marry Kelsey, but it's possible that
in Showgirl she's breaking up with us. Look, I think
there's a lot of truth to what Tyler Foggett has
written there. I mean, it kind of reminds me of
you know, he's touched on how as a female you
(16:18):
go through a lot of different life stages, and in
your early twenties it does seem like you lose a
lot of friends because you know you're no longer in
high school, you no longer doing the same things. You
drift apart, and then there is that time in life
when you get married and you have children and your
life may no longer reflect that of your friends. So
you kind of move around a bit. And it's not
about having some massive fires, just about you no longer
(16:39):
connect on that level anymore. You're not doing the same
sort of things. And I think this album about being
very happily in love and about to get married, is
quite polarizing to people that are still in their tortured
poets era. I just think this album is just a
change of pace. It's about being happy, and she's very
happy at the moment. It's the perfect album for us,
Ossie's when we're approaching summer. These songs are going to
(17:01):
be so much fun to listen to driving on a
summer's day.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
To the beach.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah. I think this backlash was inevitable though, because Taylor
has hit the absolute pinnacle both professionally and personally, so
she's released this album off the back of officially becoming
a billionaire from the Eras tour. She's of course had
the Eras tour and has just announced her engagement recently.
So to me, it's just a classic case of tall
poppy syndrome. People feel this innate sense to take her
(17:27):
down a peg or two. But it's also down to
social media because everyone is so keen to create a
viral video these days, and the only way you're going
to do that is by having a controversial take on things.
To be fair, though people are allowed to not like
the album. I wasn't a massive fan of Folklore or evermore,
and I think people can respectfully discuss that maybe this
(17:49):
wasn't the album for them. But the way people are
now ganging up it just seems like it's an excuse
to absolutely rip on Taylor Swift. It's like the cool
thing to do is to not like Taylor Swift at
the moment. I also think that there's an undercurrent of
ageism that's happening. There are a lot of gen Zettas
on TikTok who are calling Taylor's lyrics cringe and saying
that she's this daggy millennial and she shouldn't be using
(18:10):
TikTok references. I think this also has a lot to
do with the fact that it's the first time Taylor
has actually embarked on a proper press tour to promote
an album for six years. So the last time she
did a media tour like this was for Lover in
twenty nineteen, and if you think back, there was no
press tour for Folklore Evermore, which was surprise album drops
during the pandemic. As for Midnights and Torture Poets, it
(18:31):
was very limited media activity. So for those four albums,
Taylor really let the music and fan theories drive the buzz. However,
this time, she's launched the album off the back of
a two hour sit down podcast interview with her fiance
Travis Kelce. She's also has a movie out explaining the
meaning behind each of the songs. We really haven't seen
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Taylor Swift do this much media since the nineteen eighty
nine era. Perhaps it's just an oversaturation and there's too
much for fans to talk about because previously it's like, Okay,
we all we know are the lyrics, so we have
to really dissect them, but Taylor's almost made it too
easy for everyone. I also think some of this comes
down to her hyping the album up on Travis's podcast,
saying that this was one of her best albums and
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she knows that the fans will love it. Because as
soon as someone says that, that's building a lot of anticipation.
A lot of people also seem to be confused because
it was called the Life of a Showgirl. They're like, oh,
there should be more songs about being a showgirl. To me,
I'm not interested in that. Like I thought, it was
quite apparent from that interview on New Heights that Taylor
was going to take you behind the scenes of what
was going on in her life while she was a showgirl.
(19:36):
It's like the normal moments of her being a thirty
five year old woman having a new relationship. Like it
wasn't about her being on stage and what's going on.
You know that she was tired or you know, fan
reactions and stuff. It wasn't ever going to be about that.
I mean, essentially, that's what I Can do. It with
a Broken Heart was about. I think people thought that
there would be some similar tracks to that, but she'd
(19:57):
already done it. Yeah, I do it again. I mean
I was that disappointed because I do like that song,
but again, I just want to hear what's going on
behind the scenes with her and Travis Kelsey. And that's
what she gave us. In terms of this media tour.
She did a lot of UK press, so she did
a bunch of UK radio interviews. She was also on
the Graham Norton Show. Did you find that a bit strange?
I mean, I suppose the UK is probably the next
(20:19):
biggest market, so maybe that was the reason behind it,
or maybe she wanted to get under the skin of
some of her UK exites. Who knows. Well, that's what
I was thinking. And I actually heard Zara McDonald on
Shameless talking about it too, and it validated my feelings
because she's like, well, was it a way at getting
back at Joe Olwen about how happy she is? And
I think at the moment with Taylor and Travis Kelsey,
(20:39):
Taylor is very oversaturated in the US at the moment,
so it made sense to do interviews in the UK
and the US, but the u K interviews were prioritized
over the US ones, like she did the UK interviews
the day the album launch. She then did the US
ones a couple of days later. Maybe she thought the
UK media would be kind to her. She does have
(21:00):
a really strong connection to the UK, considering she'd leave
there for quite some time now. Taylor has responded to
the mixed reviews. She said she welcomes the chaos. Let's
throw to some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
The rule of show business is if it's the first
week of my album release and you are saying either
my name or my album title, you're helping and art.
I have a lot of respect for people's subjective opinions
on art. I'm not the art, please. It's like everybody
is allowed to feel exactly how they want, and what
(21:35):
our goal is as entertainers is to be a mirror. Oftentimes,
an album is a really, really wild way to look
at yourself. Right what you're going through in your life
is going to affect whether you relate to the music
that I'm putting out at any given moment. And what
I often love seeing my fans say is I used
(21:55):
to be someone who didn't relate to reputation, and now
that I've been through some other things in my life,
that's my favorite album. More I used to be a
fearless girl, and now I'm obsessed with evermore like and
we're doing this thing for kIPS, Like I have such
an eye on legacy when I'm making my music. I
(22:17):
know what I made. I know I adore it, and
I know that, like on the theme of what the
show Girl is, all of.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
This is part of it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I mean, Taylor Swift is the queen of marketing. She
knows what gets people talking, and she's happy to create
the discussion. I know a lot of people are actually
labeling her greedy at the moment because of all of
these multiple limited edition album drops that she's been doing.
She's been doing them for years. It just seems like
it's a chance for people to have a go at
her again. Well, Taylor's also smart enough to know that
this is the reaction just one week after releasing her album.
(22:49):
These songs are incredibly catchy, and I think that they're
going to grow on a lot of Swifties. Yeah, I
think so too. I think in a couple of weeks time,
a lot of the haters are going to be turned
into lovers of the album. They're also absolute bangers for
TikTok because these are the perfect sound bites of people
to create videos around. Yeah, I feel like we need
to quickly touch on the whole Charlie XCX thing because
(23:09):
a lot of people are saying that they're unhappy with
Taylor for punching down. She, of course has released a
disc track that everyone thinks is about Charlie xx. I
didn't really know much about their relationship before this song.
What I found most interesting is the fact that Charlie
and Taylor both dated guys from the nineteen seventy five
of course, Mattie Healy and actually don't even know who
(23:30):
the other guy, the other guy, that other guy. And
then Charlie of course released a song called Sympathy is
a Knife on her album Brat, and she sung lyrics
don't want to see her backstage at my boyfriend's show,
fingers crossed behind my back. I hope they break up quick.
I don't want to share this space. I don't want
to force a smile. This one girl taps my insecurities.
Don't know if it's real or I'm spiraling because I
(23:52):
couldn't even be her if I tried. I'm opposite. I'm
on the other side.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
A lot of people have said, well, Taylor has really
bitten back in a harsh way, and that Charlie was
more talking about her own personal insecurities. I want to
remind people we don't actually know what went on behind
the scenes, like the fact that they both dated guys
from the same band, and Taylor is hearing that Charlie
is high fiving Matti Heeley that they've broken up. Like,
There's obviously a lot more to this story, but it's
also quite clear that this reaction is coming from very
(24:18):
new Taylor Swift fans who have jumped on the bandwagon
because Taylor Swift has always been petty. Yeah, She's always
been petty, and that's what I love about her, her
absolute pettiness. I mean, And in terms of punching down,
when you're Taylor Swift, I mean, you're always punching down.
Who does she punch up to? There's no one above her,
So I mean, was she not punching down to Matt Healey, Yeah, exactly,
which I mean her whole album, which was also a
(24:41):
punch down to Joe olwand because they had this huge relationship,
and then the whole breakup album was about Matt Healey.
I mean, in terms of any song about Joe Olan.
She's punching down because he's not ultra successful either. I mean,
no one is as successful as Taylor Swift. I mean
that is enough from us, die hard Swift. No, before
we go, what's your favorite track on the album? Oh,
we didn't even get into that. Uh, I have four.
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I love Elizabeth Taylor, Yes, Opah, Lite, wish List, and Honey.
It's so bad because they're all of my favorites. I
was listening to the most. I was driving to her
house and the sun was shining, and I was like,
this just makes me so happy. How can anyone dislike this?
I know this whole segment has probably seemed a little
bit biased because we are die hard Swifties, but I'm
okay with putting that out there because I'm so sick
(25:24):
of hearing recently people going, oh, I am a die
hard Taylor Swift fan. I've gone to all the concerts,
I've bought all the albums. But and then they're like, oh,
she's greedy, she's punching down, Like all of these derogatory
comments about her as a person. I mean, it's fair
enough to say you don't like the songs, but just
don't you don't have to listen like listen to some
of the other albums. It's not that deep. It's just
a fun pop album of happy songs. We are due
(25:46):
for an album like this off the back of Torture Poets.
But she's also an incredibly talented writer that she doesn't
have to be going through heartbreak to necessarily write a
good song about heartbreak. I mean, listen to Death by
a Thousand Cuts. That's one of my favorite breakup songs,
and she wrote that when she was in a happy
relationship with Joe Olwen. Let's get into our Friday debrief
and so if I've been waiting to talk to you
(26:06):
on Mike about this since last weekend. So we were
lucky enough to be invited to the opening of Love
Athletica's Hot Polarates room in Norwood. It was a beautiful
space and we were so thankful to be invited. It
was such a fun day. I haven't exercised since before
I had Jack, so it was actually nice to get
back into it. It's been like two years. I feel
(26:27):
like it was quite ambitious to do a hot Polarates class,
though I've done a handful of workouts since having Luca,
but this was probably the most intense environment being in
the hot studio. Yeah, it was just funny being on
the other side of an influencer event because we're very
kindly gifted some workout gear and before the event, they're like, oh,
let us know what you feel comfortable wearing, and we're like, oh, okay,
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like leggings and a T shirt, Like we don't really
want to wear a crop top. That's not sort of
the era that wereri it at the moment. And we
got there and we go into the Chaine rooms and
change into an outfit. Well, they had these really cute
red bags and yeah, as soon as you got in
the changing and you want zip them to discover what
you would be wearing. And I assumed that people would
be dressed in all different active ways showcases this brand,
(27:10):
but it turned out that we were the only ones
who were dressed in T shirts and legans because we
pulled out some moron legans. A pink top came out
and then the rest of the people there, who were
mostly fitness influences, were wearing red bike shorts with a
red crop top and they all looked incredible. I was like,
oh my god, I wish I could get away with
(27:33):
wearing that at the vibe kind of reminded me of
what Sarah's Day was wearing in her HIRO commercial, Like
it was that type of red and yeah, I was like,
oh my god, I have never felt more old and
frum in my entire life. And then of course Amy
was also Amy rocked up late and she was wearing
the same thing, and we just looked like the dorks
in the back. I got taken back to being a
high school pe and kind of it was like you'd
(27:55):
missed the memo on what you were meant to wear,
like you know, what jeans for Jean's Day, where you're like, okay,
I've got my light denim, and then you rock up
and everyone's in dark denim. That's what it kind of
found me, you know, I was feeling self conscious enough
knowing that all of the other people there were essentially
fitness influence. I don't know how we got on this
invite list, but there was actually one other person. I
think there were two other people wearing T shirts, and
(28:17):
one was a journal that I used to work with,
and we had a bit of a laugh saying that
we were the T shirt crew. But it was a
fabulous event overall. But yeah, again I had just already
felt like a bit of a frumpy new mum. That
kind of amplifiedment. I mean, I felt like it was
a rookie air considering it was hot pilarates, I'm like,
why the hell do we ask for long leggings like
that was just a silly mistake. Yeah. On that note,
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I think that is all we have time for today.
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Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Tauber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro
is labeled disrespectful after hanging out with an ex fans
turn on Taylor Swift after her album release and our
Friday de brief but First, Ashy Bindes has reignited her
(00:22):
feud with Gretty Rose and Sammy Leok. Can you tell
us more?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It all started when Ash shared a clip to TikTok
from a podcast episode she did where she answered listener
dilemmas and she was asked her thoughts on a friendship breakdown,
and during her answer, she revealed that she's been in
the exact same situation. She conceded when it comes to friendship,
she has an anxious attachment style. Here's more of what
she said.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
However, this is I've been in this exact situation, and
I am quite an anxious attachment when it comes to friendships,
and I have a wound of being abandoned and rejected
and I like to have closure over things. But I've
had a friend that hasn't given me any closure, that
won't pick up the phone, that won't FaceTime, that won't reply,
and I've just been left so totally here where she's
(01:08):
at because it's like, I want to keep this friendship.
I don't know what's happened. I'm left over here being
like what the hell? But I got to a point
where I was like, I actually have to unplug because
there is nothing else I can do and you keep
just breaking your own heart.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yes, true.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And also I got to a point too, I think
within it, within Tiana and my friendship, the way Tiana
communicates with me and creates a safe place that we
can bring anything in, it raised my standard of what
I wanted a friendship, so it made it easier for
me to unplug from this other friendship.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
We have spoken on this podcast before, Kate about how
many resources that Ashy binds us throwing into this podcast.
It's clear she wants to make it very popular, and
unfortunately it doesn't seem to be having the success yet
that she is wanting because she had to cancel a
live podcast show. We saw on the charts that it's
not doing that well, that they don't have a huge
(02:01):
fan base listening to this show in comparison to the
amount of people that follow her, which is over a
million followers. Like you would expect a big influencer would
be getting a lot of downloads in the podcast. So
she has thought to herself, I'm going to get interest
by trying to reignite a feud or revisit this feud
between her former friends Gretty and Sammy. We often get
dms on the regular saying please, can you talk about
(02:21):
this feud? I'm so invested, tell me what happened. Yeah,
And it seems like Gretty and Sammy have taken the
bait because off the back of this video, they shared
their own TikTok where they appeared together on screen with
texts that said when your bestie just clopped the same
shit as I did, and in the video they look
at each other and laugh. The video was captioned debrief pending,
(02:42):
and the comments were an interesting read. One person wrote
NDA over yet or what and another said tell us
when the NDA's over, don't tease us now. This is
a rumor that has followed ash Bines for quite a
long time. She's had a lot of high profile friendship
busts ups and people have said none of the friends
talk out because they're forced to sign NDA's. She has
come out on her podcast and said this is completely untrue.
(03:03):
How do you feel about them piggybacking off this though,
and obviously creating their own content. I mean, it's just
the nature of social media. We spoke a couple of
weeks ago about how friendship bust ups are the way
to stay relevant online. Everyone cares about you when you're
feuding with another influencer. So I think it's a smart
content strategy. But it is a little bit hypocritical because
you're saying, oh, how dare this person call us out?
(03:24):
But you're doing the same thing. I think people are
growing tired of it because they see a group of
women in their thirties who were mothers fighting over something
really petty that happened a couple of years ago. It's
sort of something that you would expect people in their
early twenties to fight about. I don't know how I
feel about you age shaming them for fighting in their thirties.
I'm definitely not age shaming. I'm just saying that I
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think people expect more of them, more of a maturity level,
than to get caught up on some crap that happened
ten years ago. It's funny you say that, though, because
when Indy Clinton got that PI and found out who
all her trolls were, they happened to be mums, probably
in their thirties. I think it's a time in life
where you may be looking after children, so you aren't
pouring heaps into yourself, and you need strong friendships, and
(04:10):
you might not get back from those friends what you need,
and that would cause a fight. And it is a
time in your life when some of your friendships do
fall apart because you're in different stages and you can't
relate to one another. All I am saying, though, is
that I think the response has been one of people
saying this is a bit immature. Yeah, and also a
sense of just tell us what happened, Like if you're
not going to open up about it, then we don't
want to hear you referencing it anymore. Get ready with me.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I already put on my foundation, but I thought I'll
do like a little chip chart catch up.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Tammy Hembro has been labeled disrespectful after teasing a reunion
with her ex fiance Rhys Hawkins. Is not the first
time the og influencer has made it public that she's
hanging out with her ex ca can you tell us
more So? On Saturday night, Tammy posted an instant story
of her two young daughters hugging at a bowling center.
So a first glance, looked like just a regular wholesome
(05:01):
family night out. That was until super Sluice spotted the
bowling scoreboard that featured at the top of the frame
of the Instagram story. It was literally there for a
couple of seconds max. It turns out that Tammy was
bowling with her three children and her ex fiance, Reese Hawkins.
So Reese is the father of Tammy's two eldest children,
(05:22):
Wolf and Saskia. The following night, Tammy then backed the
video up by sharing a TikTok of her and Reese
at the bowling center. So for those who haven't seen it,
Tammy set up her camera and then she moved back
into the frame to stand next to Reese, and at
that point, she hoisted her jeans up with her tongue
poking out and tried to pull Reese into the shot
(05:43):
next to her as she pouted and kicked her back
leg up. Reese kind of looked awkward. He looked at
her like, what the fuck, and then he kind of
playfully pushed the bowling ball towards her. I don't think
he's totally innocent. He is clearly in on the videos.
He's appearing in it for God's sake. To be fair,
she kind of set up the camera as he was
picking up his bowling ball, and I think it's kind
(06:06):
of that thing where he doesn't know how to react
to it. So you don't think he was in on
the video. No, I think this was all set up
by Tammy, and he was kind of an innocent bystander
in a sense, because you've got to remember, the three
kids are there, so if he makes a scene, it
actually detracts from their whole family night. So I think
he just played along in the moment. But then again,
he could say, hey, Sojie might not posting that because
(06:26):
it might be a bit disrespectful to my girlfriend. I'm
sure she probably would have respected that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We don't know the conversation that I think that he
plays on it as well, because they both know that
together they're incredibly popular. People are very nostalgic about this relationship.
We saw that when we did our Tammy deep dives
there were so many people who were shipping the relationship
and they saw the two of them as ultimate couple goals. Well,
Tammy certainly got the reaction she was after, because the
clip went viral on social media. At the time of recording,
(06:53):
it's had three point six million views, and Tammy starred
the pop further on Tuesday night, sharing an Instagram story
of her mimi to Taylor Swift's song The Life of
a Showgirl. She then panned across to Reese driving the
car with their two kids in the back, and he
was shaking his head and she captured the video not
a swifty. His reaction is the same reaction that most
boyfriends have when their girlfriends try to film in Instagram's story,
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just being like, not again, I don't want to be
in this, But this is a different one because they're
not together. It really seems like Tammy has made a
conscious effort since announcing the divorce to include Reese in
her content, because three weeks after the divorce announcement, she
shared a video of her prank calling Reaese Now that
TikTok got one point four million views. Then a month later,
(07:35):
she posted a video of her Reese and their two
kids posing with the caption whole Gangs here. That video
went absolutely nuts. It's had sixteen point seven million views
and it sparked rumors that they were getting back together.
The captions have sparked a lot of conversations around where
Posey fits into this family because she is Tammy's third daughter,
her father is Matt Paul, which is Tammy's second fiance,
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and by saying the whole gangs here and not including
her in the video, a lot of people were like, well,
how is the whole gang here? Your third daughter is missing?
And then in the other video she said mum and dad,
and Posey was in that video, Reece Hawkins, isn't her dad? Yeah?
A lot of people thought it was in bad taste,
and it seems like Matt Paul kind of responded in
his own way on Instagram, so he shared a photo
(08:18):
dump from that weekend and someone commented on it saying,
glad Posey is with you and not spending the whole
time with the other kid's dad, so confusing for all involved,
and Matt replied simply agree, Wow, Yeah, I didn't know
that things had gotten that frosty between them because Tammy
really prides herself and having a good co parenting relationship
with both Matt and Reese. There were a few rumors
(08:41):
that maybe things weren't going well in the background when
he did like that post mocking her crying after breaking
up with Matt Zakowski. Yeah, judging by their social media interactions,
it seems like things are a little bit tense between
Tammy and Matt. Paul I want to talk about where
liv Kelly fits into all of this, because she is
a Gold Coast fitness influence so who recently went Instagram
(09:02):
official with Reese Hawkins. They may live in different countries,
but they are boyfriend and girlfriend. Reese of course, resides
in Balley. It does seem like she is the reason
why he's spending a lot of time in Australia as well.
I mean, I feel live a little bit torn on
that because it's nice for his kids, but then it's like, well,
why aren't you here visiting your kids rather than your girlfriend.
But anyway, Live Kelly is yet to officially comment on
(09:23):
the recent Tammy Reese situation. It's interesting to note, though,
that she shared a photo dump from the weekend, but
didn't include photos of Reese in it, even though he
was on the Gold Coast. So do we think they've
had a massive argument following some of Tammy's posts. I
think so because on Saturday, she also shared a video
of her miming to a trending sound of Kylie Jenna saying, dude,
I'm getting my personality back though, like I'm feeling like
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myself again. I really it was not myself and someone
commented on the video, just end things with Reese so
he can be with Tammy. They suit each other so well. Now.
Another person jumped in and wrote back to the commenter,
Tammy treated Reese as a doormat and used the children
to punish him. Please, just like the children be happy
for once. Olivia is obviously very supportive of their co parenting.
Tammy could learn a thing or two because she pulled
(10:06):
the exact same tricks on London Now Live liked this
comment that speaks volumes. Do we actually think that these
are genuine comments from outsiders or if these are their
friends in fake accounts? I think they are genuine. I
mean there were a lot of people saying that the
situation between Tammy and Reese is very reminiscent of how
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she acted when he started dating London Goen, who ended
up being his wife. They have now split up. Well
Live continued to stoke the fire on Tuesday, she shared
a compilation of clips of herself with the trending sound
just be a little more thoughtful and a little bit kinder,
because you really don't know what somebody's dealing with or
going through, and she captioned that video saying a YouTube
(10:49):
video was coming with a full life update.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I went and checked the YouTube channel to see if
it was out before we recorded. It is not out yet,
but I noted that Live only has sixty three subscribers
on the platform. So I found it quite interesting because
maybe she is also using this as a bit of
a content strategy and thinks, oh, well, I'm getting a
bit of extra attention from this tammy situation. I might
as well bolst my influencing career.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
An sharckingly offensive thing to say.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Absolutely, it is not the last.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's not why people get married, No, exactly so that they.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Last. Friday, Taylor Swift dropped her twelfth album, The Life
of a Showgirl to polarizing reviews, Despite the album breaking
streaming and sales records. Taylor is copying backlash even from
her most die hard fans, and Okay, as one of those,
I want to know, how do you feel about the album? Well,
I was personally taken back by the negative response because
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I loved the album from the get go and that
hasn't been something I've experienced since Lover. So I really
did like Tortured Poets Department, but it took me a
while to get into it. I mean, there were so
many songs released. It was like, you know, thirty different songs.
It was a bit of a slow burn. Yeah, it
was more of a slow burn. But with this from
the get go, I'm like, love that, love that, got
(12:02):
that stuck in my head. Like I can actually listen
to the full album and there's no skips for me
because we're pretty basic. I love anything pop. So this
album really speaks to me. And again, because we were
listening and we were instantly messaging each other our reaction
to each songs. Love It, love that, love that, Oh
my god, this is it gets even better. So I
was pretty shocked to see the reaction online from people,
(12:24):
people who I think are almost acting like they're too
cool to be a Taylor Swift fan, Well, I think
there are two camps because I think it does depend
on what albums of Taylor's are your favorite. So for me,
I love nineteen eighty nine, I loved Lover, I loved Reputation.
They're probably my top three Taylor Swift album and I
think that The Life of a show Girl has that
vibe a mixture of all three of those. It really
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seems to be the folklore and evermore fans who were
struggling with this album release. Yeah, I mean they are
probably my least favorite Taylor Swift albums. I tried really
hard to listen to them leading into the eras to
it because I knew that was such a big portion
of the tour. And I admit there are some really
good songs on there, like I Love August, but to me,
that's not really the type of music I like listening to.
(13:06):
But it doesn't mean that I went on social media
and absolutely slam Taylor, which is what has been happening.
It seems like a lot of people have just been
waiting to have a go at her so tall poppy syndrome.
A lot of people have labeled the lyrics as cringe,
and there's also a lot of hate being directed at
her fiance Travis Kelsey. They say that he's not a
good enough music Yeah. I mean that was the case
(13:26):
even when Taylor released Tortured Poets, because a couple of
the songs on the album were about Travis so high
school and also the Alchemy, and there was a lot
of conversations online about how the lyrics are quite juvenile. Again,
they were probably two of my favorite songs from Tortured Poets,
So I think it just depends on the type of
music people like. I think there's been a long standing
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fear for quite some time now that when Taylor gets married,
that she's suddenly going to become a shit writer and
not have any heartbreak to talk about anymore. And I
think that people are almost projecting that into this album. Yeah. Well,
there were a lot of people complaining online that Taylor
being happy doesn't generate the same level of penmanship that
it does when she is heartbroken, and there were even
(14:08):
people saying that they can't wait for the divorce album now.
This type of commentary led The New Yorker to run
with the headline do we still like Taylor Swift when
she's happy? In the article, the journalist Tyler Foggett wrote
the weak lyricism in the Travis Kelsey and Spied Songs
and the Life of a show Girl has led to
some of the most virulent and sexist anti Swift discourse
in years. Some have gone so far as to speculate
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that Alwan was ghostwriting Swift songs all along, which is
especially devastating giving how much time Swift has spent fighting
not only to be recognized as a songwriter, but to
claim ownership of her own work. It's incredibly unfair that
this is being pushed. There's just this general tone of
nastiness towards Travis where people are saying she is dumbing
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down her writing just to impress him. Yeah, I mean,
it's just so sexless to say, oh, Joe Ollan must
have written all of her good lyrics. I mean, yes,
he was a co writer on on Folklore and evermore.
But do we not think that potentially it is more
about him as amused. It seems like Taylor was never
really that confident in that relationship and she was always
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trying to work on it, whereas this album it reflects
that she's in a very happy and healthy relationship with
Travis Kelce. Is that not what we want? And I
also think that potentially a lot of the people who
don't like the album are in their heartbreak era and
that's why it's not resonating with them or In that
New Yorker piece, the journalists also explored the notion that
Taylor's longest and most intense relationship has been this parasocial
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one that she has with her fans. So Tyler wrote,
Swift's fans feel like they know her and have a
deep personal connection with her. They are just as invested
in her music as they are in her life, and
at least until now, those two things haven't been in
conflict for years. It felt like she wrote songs that
spoke to the core of the female experience at its
most vulnerable. It felt like she lived and learned in
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parallel with her listeners, and that feeling is gone now.
At the end of the article, Tyler also posed the question,
Swift is about to marry Kelsey, but it's possible that
in Showgirl she's breaking up with us. Look, I think
there's a lot of truth to what Tyler Foggett has
written there. I mean, it kind of reminds me of
you know, he's touched on how as a female you
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go through a lot of different life stages, and in
your early twenties it does seem like you lose a
lot of friends because you know you're no longer in
high school, you no longer doing the same things. You
drift apart, and then there is that time in life
when you get married and you have children and your
life may no longer reflect that of your friends. So
you kind of move around a bit. And it's not
about having some massive fires, just about you no longer
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connect on that level anymore. You're not doing the same
sort of things. And I think this album about being
very happily in love and about to get married, is
quite polarizing to people that are still in their tortured
poets era. I just think this album is just a
change of pace. It's about being happy, and she's very
happy at the moment. It's the perfect album for us,
Ossie's when we're approaching summer. These songs are going to
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be so much fun to listen to driving on a
summer's day.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
To the beach.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah. I think this backlash was inevitable though, because Taylor
has hit the absolute pinnacle both professionally and personally, so
she's released this album off the back of officially becoming
a billionaire from the Eras tour. She's of course had
the Eras tour and has just announced her engagement recently.
So to me, it's just a classic case of tall
poppy syndrome. People feel this innate sense to take her
(17:27):
down a peg or two. But it's also down to
social media because everyone is so keen to create a
viral video these days, and the only way you're going
to do that is by having a controversial take on things.
To be fair, though people are allowed to not like
the album. I wasn't a massive fan of Folklore or evermore,
and I think people can respectfully discuss that maybe this
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wasn't the album for them. But the way people are
now ganging up it just seems like it's an excuse
to absolutely rip on Taylor Swift. It's like the cool
thing to do is to not like Taylor Swift at
the moment. I also think that there's an undercurrent of
ageism that's happening. There are a lot of gen Zettas
on TikTok who are calling Taylor's lyrics cringe and saying
that she's this daggy millennial and she shouldn't be using
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TikTok references. I think this also has a lot to
do with the fact that it's the first time Taylor
has actually embarked on a proper press tour to promote
an album for six years. So the last time she
did a media tour like this was for Lover in
twenty nineteen, and if you think back, there was no
press tour for Folklore Evermore, which was surprise album drops
during the pandemic. As for Midnights and Torture Poets, it
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was very limited media activity. So for those four albums,
Taylor really let the music and fan theories drive the buzz. However,
this time, she's launched the album off the back of
a two hour sit down podcast interview with her fiance
Travis Kelce. She's also has a movie out explaining the
meaning behind each of the songs. We really haven't seen
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Taylor Swift do this much media since the nineteen eighty
nine era. Perhaps it's just an oversaturation and there's too
much for fans to talk about because previously it's like, Okay,
we all we know are the lyrics, so we have
to really dissect them, but Taylor's almost made it too
easy for everyone. I also think some of this comes
down to her hyping the album up on Travis's podcast,
saying that this was one of her best albums and
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she knows that the fans will love it. Because as
soon as someone says that, that's building a lot of anticipation.
A lot of people also seem to be confused because
it was called the Life of a Showgirl. They're like, oh,
there should be more songs about being a showgirl. To me,
I'm not interested in that. Like I thought, it was
quite apparent from that interview on New Heights that Taylor
was going to take you behind the scenes of what
was going on in her life while she was a showgirl.
(19:36):
It's like the normal moments of her being a thirty
five year old woman having a new relationship. Like it
wasn't about her being on stage and what's going on.
You know that she was tired or you know, fan
reactions and stuff. It wasn't ever going to be about that.
I mean, essentially, that's what I Can do. It with
a Broken Heart was about. I think people thought that
there would be some similar tracks to that, but she'd
(19:57):
already done it. Yeah, I do it again. I mean
I was that disappointed because I do like that song,
but again, I just want to hear what's going on
behind the scenes with her and Travis Kelsey. And that's
what she gave us. In terms of this media tour.
She did a lot of UK press, so she did
a bunch of UK radio interviews. She was also on
the Graham Norton Show. Did you find that a bit strange?
I mean, I suppose the UK is probably the next
(20:19):
biggest market, so maybe that was the reason behind it,
or maybe she wanted to get under the skin of
some of her UK exites. Who knows. Well, that's what
I was thinking. And I actually heard Zara McDonald on
Shameless talking about it too, and it validated my feelings
because she's like, well, was it a way at getting
back at Joe Olwen about how happy she is? And
I think at the moment with Taylor and Travis Kelsey,
(20:39):
Taylor is very oversaturated in the US at the moment,
so it made sense to do interviews in the UK
and the US, but the u K interviews were prioritized
over the US ones, like she did the UK interviews
the day the album launch. She then did the US
ones a couple of days later. Maybe she thought the
UK media would be kind to her. She does have
(21:00):
a really strong connection to the UK, considering she'd leave
there for quite some time now. Taylor has responded to
the mixed reviews. She said she welcomes the chaos. Let's
throw to some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
The rule of show business is if it's the first
week of my album release and you are saying either
my name or my album title, you're helping and art.
I have a lot of respect for people's subjective opinions
on art. I'm not the art, please. It's like everybody
is allowed to feel exactly how they want, and what
(21:35):
our goal is as entertainers is to be a mirror. Oftentimes,
an album is a really, really wild way to look
at yourself. Right what you're going through in your life
is going to affect whether you relate to the music
that I'm putting out at any given moment. And what
I often love seeing my fans say is I used
(21:55):
to be someone who didn't relate to reputation, and now
that I've been through some other things in my life,
that's my favorite album. More I used to be a
fearless girl, and now I'm obsessed with evermore like and
we're doing this thing for kIPS, Like I have such
an eye on legacy when I'm making my music. I
(22:17):
know what I made. I know I adore it, and
I know that, like on the theme of what the
show Girl is, all of.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
This is part of it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I mean, Taylor Swift is the queen of marketing. She
knows what gets people talking, and she's happy to create
the discussion. I know a lot of people are actually
labeling her greedy at the moment because of all of
these multiple limited edition album drops that she's been doing.
She's been doing them for years. It just seems like
it's a chance for people to have a go at
her again. Well, Taylor's also smart enough to know that
this is the reaction just one week after releasing her album.
(22:49):
These songs are incredibly catchy, and I think that they're
going to grow on a lot of Swifties. Yeah, I
think so too. I think in a couple of weeks time,
a lot of the haters are going to be turned
into lovers of the album. They're also absolute bangers for
TikTok because these are the perfect sound bites of people
to create videos around. Yeah, I feel like we need
to quickly touch on the whole Charlie XCX thing because
(23:09):
a lot of people are saying that they're unhappy with
Taylor for punching down. She, of course has released a
disc track that everyone thinks is about Charlie xx. I
didn't really know much about their relationship before this song.
What I found most interesting is the fact that Charlie
and Taylor both dated guys from the nineteen seventy five
of course, Mattie Healy and actually don't even know who
(23:30):
the other guy, the other guy, that other guy. And
then Charlie of course released a song called Sympathy is
a Knife on her album Brat, and she sung lyrics
don't want to see her backstage at my boyfriend's show,
fingers crossed behind my back. I hope they break up quick.
I don't want to share this space. I don't want
to force a smile. This one girl taps my insecurities.
Don't know if it's real or I'm spiraling because I
(23:52):
couldn't even be her if I tried. I'm opposite. I'm
on the other side.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
A lot of people have said, well, Taylor has really
bitten back in a harsh way, and that Charlie was
more talking about her own personal insecurities. I want to
remind people we don't actually know what went on behind
the scenes, like the fact that they both dated guys
from the same band, and Taylor is hearing that Charlie
is high fiving Matti Heeley that they've broken up. Like,
There's obviously a lot more to this story, but it's
also quite clear that this reaction is coming from very
(24:18):
new Taylor Swift fans who have jumped on the bandwagon
because Taylor Swift has always been petty. Yeah, She's always
been petty, and that's what I love about her, her
absolute pettiness. I mean, And in terms of punching down,
when you're Taylor Swift, I mean, you're always punching down.
Who does she punch up to? There's no one above her,
So I mean, was she not punching down to Matt Healey, Yeah, exactly,
which I mean her whole album, which was also a
(24:41):
punch down to Joe olwand because they had this huge relationship,
and then the whole breakup album was about Matt Healey.
I mean, in terms of any song about Joe Olan.
She's punching down because he's not ultra successful either. I mean,
no one is as successful as Taylor Swift. I mean
that is enough from us, die hard Swift. No, before
we go, what's your favorite track on the album? Oh,
we didn't even get into that. Uh, I have four.
(25:03):
I love Elizabeth Taylor, Yes, Opah, Lite, wish List, and Honey.
It's so bad because they're all of my favorites. I
was listening to the most. I was driving to her
house and the sun was shining, and I was like,
this just makes me so happy. How can anyone dislike this?
I know this whole segment has probably seemed a little
bit biased because we are die hard Swifties, but I'm
okay with putting that out there because I'm so sick
(25:24):
of hearing recently people going, oh, I am a die
hard Taylor Swift fan. I've gone to all the concerts,
I've bought all the albums. But and then they're like, oh,
she's greedy, she's punching down, Like all of these derogatory
comments about her as a person. I mean, it's fair
enough to say you don't like the songs, but just
don't you don't have to listen like listen to some
of the other albums. It's not that deep. It's just
a fun pop album of happy songs. We are due
(25:46):
for an album like this off the back of Torture Poets.
But she's also an incredibly talented writer that she doesn't
have to be going through heartbreak to necessarily write a
good song about heartbreak. I mean, listen to Death by
a Thousand Cuts. That's one of my favorite breakup songs,
and she wrote that when she was in a happy
relationship with Joe Olwen. Let's get into our Friday debrief
and so if I've been waiting to talk to you
(26:06):
on Mike about this since last weekend. So we were
lucky enough to be invited to the opening of Love
Athletica's Hot Polarates room in Norwood. It was a beautiful
space and we were so thankful to be invited. It
was such a fun day. I haven't exercised since before
I had Jack, so it was actually nice to get
back into it. It's been like two years. I feel
(26:27):
like it was quite ambitious to do a hot Polarates class,
though I've done a handful of workouts since having Luca,
but this was probably the most intense environment being in
the hot studio. Yeah, it was just funny being on
the other side of an influencer event because we're very
kindly gifted some workout gear and before the event, they're like, oh,
let us know what you feel comfortable wearing, and we're like, oh, okay,
(26:48):
like leggings and a T shirt, Like we don't really
want to wear a crop top. That's not sort of
the era that wereri it at the moment. And we
got there and we go into the Chaine rooms and
change into an outfit. Well, they had these really cute
red bags and yeah, as soon as you got in
the changing and you want zip them to discover what
you would be wearing. And I assumed that people would
be dressed in all different active ways showcases this brand,
(27:10):
but it turned out that we were the only ones
who were dressed in T shirts and legans because we
pulled out some moron legans. A pink top came out
and then the rest of the people there, who were
mostly fitness influences, were wearing red bike shorts with a
red crop top and they all looked incredible. I was like,
oh my god, I wish I could get away with
(27:33):
wearing that at the vibe kind of reminded me of
what Sarah's Day was wearing in her HIRO commercial, Like
it was that type of red and yeah, I was like,
oh my god, I have never felt more old and
frum in my entire life. And then of course Amy
was also Amy rocked up late and she was wearing
the same thing, and we just looked like the dorks
in the back. I got taken back to being a
high school pe and kind of it was like you'd
(27:55):
missed the memo on what you were meant to wear,
like you know, what jeans for Jean's Day, where you're like, okay,
I've got my light denim, and then you rock up
and everyone's in dark denim. That's what it kind of
found me, you know, I was feeling self conscious enough
knowing that all of the other people there were essentially
fitness influence. I don't know how we got on this
invite list, but there was actually one other person. I
think there were two other people wearing T shirts, and
(28:17):
one was a journal that I used to work with,
and we had a bit of a laugh saying that
we were the T shirt crew. But it was a
fabulous event overall. But yeah, again I had just already
felt like a bit of a frumpy new mum. That
kind of amplifiedment. I mean, I felt like it was
a rookie air considering it was hot pilarates, I'm like,
why the hell do we ask for long leggings like
that was just a silly mistake. Yeah. On that note,
(28:39):
I think that is all we have time for today.
Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
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