November 3, 2025 • 27 mins
A YouTube family flee the country ahead of kids’ social media ban. Has Olivia Rogers rekindled her friendship with stylist Paul Vercace? Matt Zukowski spotted on a second date with Emily Lawson, after hosing down relationship speculation on his podcast. The AFR’s eye watering Young Rich List. ... AND Bec Lomas' AI baby photo mix up.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, a YouTube
family flee the country ahead of the kids' social media
band has Olivia Rodgers rekindled her friendship with stylist Pulta
Saci and the afr's Iwatering Young Rich List. But first,
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Matt Zakowski has been spotted on a second date with
adelaide normie Emily Lawson. Despite hosing down relationship speculation on
his podcast, The pair attended Derby Day together alongside a
group of friends. Kate, this one surprised me because I
thought she really messed things up on the first date,
because it was only three weeks ago when she essentially
hard launched her relationship with Matt on her Instagram story
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and Matt didn't seem happy about it on his podcast. No,
he jumped on his own podcast and essentially watered down
those rumors and always had a bit of a laugh
about it with his co host Anna McAvoy, saying that
people were getting a bit ahead of themselves and saying
he was quite shocked to see that image floating around. Well,
it seemed like they were kind of inferring Emily was
a bit of a clout chaser, because Anni made a
comment that Emily should have kept the story to her
(01:13):
close friends list. Well. Also, Matt did reiterate that while
Emily was a nice girl, it definitely wasn't a hard
launch and he was very much single. I wonder if
they discussed social media etiquette this time, because Emily ended
up posting another mirror selfie, but this time her and
Matt's heads were cropped out of the photo, so it's
just of their bodies. Yeah, and you could kind I mean,
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you couldn't really make out who it was. However, she
backed it up on her Instagram story by re sharing
another story that she was tagged in. So in this story,
the person films and pans around, and there's Emily and
then there's some friends, and then there's Matt. So it
was obvious they were together. Well, they also backed it
up by sharing individual photos in the same hotel room,
which clearly one another had taken. Yeah. Well, someone commented
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under Emily's photo camera person did well, to which she replied,
he's a pro. I mean, he really is a pro.
I'm sure he took a lot of Tammy's content back
in the day. You know what, tall people are also
very good at taking photos, so you get the right angles.
When these photos started emerging, I was like, oh my god,
imagine if Tammy Hembro runs into them, because she was
there at Derby Day being dressed by Paul Versaci. But
then I was like, oh, hang on, man, Emily, they're
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sitting out on the lawn with a general public like
Tammy's in a marquee. We are going to chat about
this more on Friday Show, but I want to point
out that today is the Melbourne Cup and I am
really shocked at how many influencers are quite happy to
be posting at horse racing events. I feel like five
years ago there was a huge movement of saying nap
to the Cup, and now it's kind of like, oh,
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everyone's got about it whatever, let's just attend. Who cares. Yeah,
it's so interesting to see how that's all changed. I
thought the Grand Prix was the replacement for the Melbourne
Cup where everyone gets dressed up, but it seems like
people want a second opportunity to do that during the year.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Today I'm leaving my wife and kids and moving from
Australia all the way to the UK by myself.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
A family of Perth YouTubers have announced they're moving to
the UK to avoid Australia's upcoming social media ban for children.
The Empire family are packing up and leaving their hometown,
all in a bid to save their fourteen year old
daughters platform before it's suspended. Kay, before we get into it,
can you get listeners up to speed with the ban?
So Australia is implementing a world first social media ban
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for children, so a lot of eyes are on Australia
at the moment. The ban is designed to protect young
people from the harmful impact of social media. Now, as
of the tenth of December, children under sixteen can no
longer have accounts on major social media platforms. Now, the
onus is on social media businesses to take reasonable steps
to prevent children from using their platforms. So this means
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they need to detect and deactivate accounts of users under sixteen,
as well as stop them from creating accounts.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Platforms that don't comply could face fines of almost fifty
million dollars. Now. Those platforms include Facebook, Instagram, Chat, TikTok
x and also YouTube Now. Originally YouTube was actually exempt
from the ban, but that decision was reversed earlier this year,
so children under sixteen will still be able to view
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videos on YouTube, but they can't have their own account,
and that means they won't be able to upload content
or interact on the platform at all. A lot of
kids were hoping that YouTube wouldn't be included on the list,
and I'm guessing YouTube being included in this ban as
what has pushed the Empire family over the edge to
move to London. I have never heard of the Empire family.
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Are they someone I should be watching? Look? I wasn't
familiar with them either until this story went viral. So
they're a family of four from Perth. The family is
made up of mothers Beck and Beck Yes they have
the same name, and their children seventeen year old son
Presley and fourteen year old daughter Charlie. Now. They launched
the YouTube channel in twenty eighteen after their then primary
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school age kids beg them to make it. Ironically, the
mothers were initially apprehensive to allow their kids online due
to the dangers, but they finally gave in. Now This
move clearly paid off because over the last seven years,
they've attracted six million followers across their combined social media platforms,
and content creation is now their full time job. The
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kids now have branched off and have their own social
media platforms, so they've got their own YouTube channels, their
own Instagram accounts, and Bet claims to manage their teenager's
accounts entirely, including saying that she films, edits and monitors
the comments. I mean, we have to take that on
face value, but do you think it's realistic to think
that those teenagers don't have any interaction with their own account. Oh,
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the kids are definitely jumping on and having a look
at the comments and engaging with people. I mean, their
mum may also have the logins, but I'm sure that
they both have logins. I mean, surely seventeen year old
Presley has access to his own account, and I would
say fourteen year old Charlie does as well. Now she
is the one that's actually affected by Australia's new social
media rules. The band means that she is set to
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lose five hundred and thirty six thousand YouTube subscribers and
one hundred and eighty eight Instagram followers alongside two hundred
and eighty four TikTok followers. So could they just pause
their account though, and then they could get it back
when they are over sixteen or does it wipe them completely? Well,
it depends on the platform. Some platforms are allowing accounts
to be archived and then when you're over sixteen you
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can reactivate them, whereas others are just completely deleting them.
I think it's a bit unfair to delete them, particularly
because social media is big business these days, and whilst
perhaps unethical to do so, these children have still cultivated
a huge following through hard work. I wonder if you
can transfer the ownership to your parent. It will be
very interesting to see how this all works in the
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real world and where the people will be able to
protest against certain pages disappearing. It will be because at
the moment there's not a blanket rule. The owners is
all on the social media companies to come up with
a plan, and they don't all have to operate from
the same plan. Now. In terms of how the Empire
family announced this news to their fans, they uploaded a
TikTok where they shared that Beck was on the way
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to London to look for a house for the family,
so she left her wife and kids at home while
she did that, and in the voiceover, she spoke about
the difficult decision to relocate to save Charlie's social media
account now. She claimed that they came to the decision
after Charlie decided that she no longer wanted to attend
normal school and would finish school online. And because of
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that decision, Beck said they now have the freedom to
live anywhere in the world. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
We're really lucky that social media is a full time job.
But what do you guys think of the new band
that's coming in for Australian for under sixteen. It's lucky
for Charlie. She's only fourteen, but we're going to be
living in London, and she's a British citizen as well,
so it won't actually affect her. It's only for Australians
under sixteen years old, And to be completely honest with
you guys, it's actually one of the reasons we decided
to leave Australia.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
This might sound crazy, but I can kind of see
why they're doing this. Even if you can freeze your
account and save your followers. By the time you jump
back on there in a couple of years time, those
people still aren't going to be potentially engaged in your
content anymore, because you really have to grow with your
audience and keep putting out constant content in order to
stay in people's minds. So in Charlie's situation in two
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years time, when she comes back to social media when
she's sixteen, people probably won't care about her anymore because
there's been this whole period of her life which they've
missed out on. Yeah, but I personally feel like a
fourteen year old shouldn't be having a career on social media.
I understand that she's cultivated this following off the back
of the Family Channel, but the fact that the government
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is implementing these bands shows just how damaging social media
is to people under sixteen, and I mean people over
sixteen as well. So how damaging is it going to
be for her mental health when she loses a platform
that she could potentially build a huge career off. Well
in comparison to uprooting her whole life to move to
a different country away from all her friends and you know,
the place that she grew up in. I mean, that's
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a massive life change, and I think in terms of
social media, you can be deplatformed in the blink of
an eye. Your TikTok can get deleted, you can be canceled.
I understand that it would be such a big deal
as a kids getting your platform of hundreds of thousands
of followers taken away from you, But it's pretty extreme
to uproot your whole life. Oh I'm not saying it's
not extreme, but from a business perspective, I can see
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why it'd be worthwhile for them to keep this platform around.
I think this is what's upset a lot of people
because it's like, well, are you thinking of your daughter
or are you thinking from a business perspective? Because the
moms still have their own account, the son can have
his account. Why can't they operate on their own social
media accounts and just keep Charlie off it for the
next two years because clearly she's probably cracked that behind
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closed doors and thinks, well, this is unfair that my
brother gets to go on there. He's only a couple
of years older than me. My moms get to do
it now. As you would expect, this video attracted a
huge response, a lot of people agreed with uk and
so that they couldn't believe that the family was uprooting
their kids' lives to continue one of their child's social
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media careers. One user wrote, moving because of the social
media ban is ridiculous. That ban is one of the
best things to happen in Australia now. Beck replied saying,
we're not actually against the ban. We aren't naive to
the fact that there are some real problems for kids
on social media. But those people who know us and
follow us, no, we travel often for work and we
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were looking to move before the ban was confirmed. We
were already leaving and decided to leave before the ban begun.
I mean that contradicts what she said in the video though,
because she said, to be completely honest with you guys,
it's actually one of the reasons we decided to leave Australia. Now,
this story ended up making mainstream media and Beck was
subsequently interviewed by Mama Mia and she said when they
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heard the band was actually happening, they had to come
up with a solution to keep Charlie online because she
loves it. Now Charlie was also interviewed and she said
that a blanket approach was wrong and that she doesn't
think it will stop teens from using social media. Her
mother chimed in, saying, the Internet is not going away
and we need to teach kids how to use it responsibly.
I think that the social media ban is a step
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that we need to take, and it's going to be
a very positive one. The issue lies, though, with the
children who've already grown up on social media and who
already have accounts. They're going to find this ban very difficult,
and it's going to be very tough for all of
the platforms to actually deactivate their accounts. I would hate
to be the parents of these teenagers that are getting
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kicked off social media. Would absolutely be a nightmare dealing
with them, because let's be honest, they're all addicted to
social media just like we are. I mean, I would
find it really hard if someone was like, hang on,
you can't go on it anymore. I also think that
there is going to be a lot of pressure on
the parents to make sure that this band sticks with
their kids and they're not finding other ways to get
around it. Well, in saying that there aren't any penalties
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for kids that use social media, all the penalties are
directed at the social media companies. I think what isn't
helping this situation is the uncertainty around how platforms are
actually implementing the ban, because even though we're so close
to it happening, we still don't know how it's taking effect.
There's been speculation the platforms could potentially use facial recognition
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technology or even have official ID checks. These proposed methods
have sparked a lot of fears around data privacy breaches
and the accuracy of age verification software. Now the government
has come out and said social media platforms aren't required
to use any specific technologies, and they're also not required
to enforce government ID checks to prove age. Instead, they've
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been told they must offer practical alternatives. I feel like
it's a bit of a cop out that the government
aren't being more hands on at telling social media companies
what they need to do and helping them come up
with a solution. It's kind of like they don't want
to be the bad guys and enforce these strict protocols.
But I mean, realistically, how are social media platforms meant
to do it? Otherwise you have your own mydald, no
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way is that time of year when we marvel at
just how much bank some influencers make. Late last week,
the Australian Financial Review released their list of Australia's Richest
forty and under and there were some familiar names on
the list. Now, in order to qualify in twenty twenty five,
you need a fortune of at least forty four million
dollars kate. Now, the collective wealth of the top one
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hundred young Australians is forty five billion dollars, which is
pretty remarkable. That is an eye watering figure. And obviously
we're looking at this from an influencer perspective, but twenty
eight billion of those dollars was actually from the tech sector,
so the influence has actually fared quite low on the
list in comparison. Well, there is a bit of a
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crossover with that because the majority of influencers who made
the list all have fitness tech platforms. So Kayla, it's
seen as took out top spot for fitness influencers, coming
in at thirty eight with one hundred and seventy six
million dollars. I love how her ex fiance and former
business partner Toby Pierce was ranked just above her with
one hundred and seventy nine million, Like, I wonder how
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they work that out. Well, he has a number of
other businesses. He's got a lot of fingers in other piles.
So does Kayla. We heard recently that she owns petrol
stations and medical centers, so obviously his other businesses are
just doing slightly better than hers. Then there was Emily
sky Anderson in sixty second place with one hundred and
seven million dollars, followed by Tammy Hembro in ninetieth spot
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with fifty eight million, and then Steph Claire Smith rounded
off the one hundred places with forty four million dollars.
I always wonder by Laura Henshaw is always missed off
these lists because she is Steph Lesmith's business partner. She
presumably has around the same money as Steph. So is
it a thing you can actually opt out of? Yeah,
well I think so, because your financial wealth is your
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own business. Obviously they're having to provide these figures to
the AFR. Well, it's interesting you say that because the
AFR included a little disclaimer about how they calculate people's wealth.
So the evaluations are calculated using publicly available information. Including
measuring share prices. So it makes me think perhaps the
individuals aren't contacted and put themselves forward for the advertiser
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had their own version of the Rich lif which I
don't think that they actually researched properly. I think they
just ranked people wherever they wanted to rank them, because
the shameless girls were in there, and they have spoken
before about how they don't publicly outline how much money
their business makes and they don't feel comfortable to go
into it, I assume because they want to maintain a
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relatability with their audience. Yeah, so basically they just go, Okay,
who are people that have a public platform and look
like they're doing well. All right, we'll put them on
the list and rank them where we see because obviously
these lists get a lot of engagement and a lot
of clicks. Well, back to the afr's list, Roxy Jsanko's husband,
Oliver Curtis, debut in twelfth position with an estimated fortune
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of four hundred and forty four million dollars. What is
it that he does again? So he is now the
co founder and CEO of an Australian AI infrastructure company
called Firmis, And this is an absolute monumental turnaround for him,
considering that he was jailed in twenty sixteen for insider trading. Wow,
it was Roxy on this list as well. No, she
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wasn't well. She shut down her PR business, Sweaty Betty
for a number of years when she moved to Singapore
for Oliver's business, which I can see why now after
hearing how much money he's earned, it makes sense why
they've sent Pixie off to that expensive Swiss boarding school.
Did you see all the presents she got when she
visited home? I did. It wasn't surprising because they are
known for having the most extravagant birthday wish lists and
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Christmas lists. Her sweet sixteen is going to be huge. Well,
her past birthdays I've noticed have actually been quite subdued
in relation to the other ones. Maybe it's no longer
cool to have a big show off party. She will
have a massive sixteenth, especially when the dad's worth nearly
five hundred million dollars far out. US influencer Kate Cassidy
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has shared what she says is a sign from her
late boyfriend Liam Payne after she was involved in a
car crash last week. Now, the twenty six year old
shared a video on Instagram revealing she'd been involved in
the accident. So the real began with the caption how
it started and showed her getting into a bright blue Lamborghini.
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It then cut to footage of the cars front badly damaged,
with the caption how it ended, and she added lesson
learn don't let your girlfriend drive your brand new car now.
The current question belonged to Kate's friend, Alexandra Gale's boyfriend. Thankfully,
no one was injured in the crash, but it instopped
the media running with very sensationalized headlines. A number of
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publications made readers have to click to the story to
find out if Kate was okay, while other publications almost
made it sound like the couple were cursed with bad luck. Yeah,
it was really gross. I kept seeing this pop up
on Facebook, probably because I am a huge one direction fan.
I was gonna say, this hasn't been in my and
I was like, oh my god, is she okay? And
I just thought it was really sick the way they
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were plastering photos of her and limb and sort of
eluding that something and tragic had happened to her as well.
That is gross. Now, following the accident, Kate believes she
received a sign from Lin and anyone who follows her
knows that she's really into numerology. Like Taylor Swift level
that she is into numerology, and she often posts little
signs to her Instagram story that she believes are from Lim,
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in particular the angel number four four four, which she
also ended up getting tattooed on her hand. Now, in numerology,
four four four is a sign that the angels are
with you and they are going to guide you step
by step. Now, I am not shitting you, but Kate
received a police crash number which she ended up posting
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on her Instagram, which ended in four four four. Now,
what are the chances of that? Look, I have to
be skeptical here. I think if you're looking out for
particular numbers and signs all the time, then you're going
to see them because you're going to read into things
a lot. It's pretty freaky though. I mean, I think
that if there's something that gives you peace and makes
you feel better, then go for it. Yeah, I agree.
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I mean I'm not judging. I mean, believe what you want,
but I do some times think if there is a
number that you're always focused on, you're obviously going to
notice it a lot more if hears. Olivia Rodgers and
her former stylist Paul for Saci otherwise known as Style
by Bloom, may have rekindled their friendship. So the start
of this year, rumors were swelling that the former besties
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had a massive buster which led them to unfollow each other. Now,
the telltale sign was when Olivia stopped working with Paul
all together. I feel like she was the one that
made him big on Instagram, Like no one really knew
who he was before he started working with her. Well,
because now he works with a lot of top Ozzie
influencers and also a lot of the wives and girlfriends
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of AFL players. He dressed a lot of them for
the Brown Low. Well more recently, Tammy hembro for Derby Dayly.
That was a nassive yet for him, Tammy spent the
whole weekend hanging out with Paul and Paul's boyfriend and
tagging him well. Funnily enough, Paul's boyfriend's name is Bail Smith,
so very close to Bailey Smith. So the media were
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running with these headlines. Tammy Tambo reveals surprise relationship updated.
She poses with Bail Smith at Derby Day, so they
were acting as if Tammy had moved on with a
guy with a very similar name to her ex flame
Bailey Smith. That it was actually Paul for Sarchi's boyfriend is hilarious. Well,
getting back to Olivia and Paul, the reason why people
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think that things are back on between them is due
to a comment that Paul left on one of Olivia's
recent videos. So she posted a real showcasing her Spring
carnival looks from the archives, and she asked her followers
which were their favorites. Now. Paul decided to comment on
this post. He wrote, so many faves with star emojis.
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What do you think, Kate Well? I feel like when
Olivia addressed the Paul situation earlier this year, she kind
of left the door open. She spoke about how they're
not working together because he now lives in Queensland, but
she's never said, oh, we're not friends. That was just
sort of the impression that everyone took by it. What
do you think? And you don't unfollow someone if you're
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still rooting for them and want to be friends with them.
I think that maybe they could just be exchanging pleasantries
at the moment and pretending to be nice to one another,
but obviously following each other again, comments, well, I feel
like by sharing some of her past looks that Paul
put together, it was almost like extending an olive branch
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to him, because he did style her for a number
of these horse racing events. Do we think that Olivia
wants him back in terms of his styling ability, Well,
maybe she sees him working with all these other top
influencers and she's like, oh, I mean he is good.
He I mean, it's not hard to make o Livia
Rodgers look good, but he did do a good job
of it. Melbourne influencer beck Lomas has announced the arrival
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of her baby boy Tommy, the first time. Mum shared
the news to her one hundred and thirty thousand followers
on Instagram, saying the C section was a good decision,
with her son's head circumference measuring a whopping thirty seven centimeters,
which for those playing at home play him in the
seventy fifth to ninetieth percentile for their heads. Oh, as babies,
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we had very big heads. We were in the ninetieth
percentile as well, and we were prem so all Beck
predicted all along that she was going to have a
big baby, and she was right. She also thought that
he'd have a thick head of hair because she had
experienced really terrible acid reflux throughout her pregnancy. She was
also right with that he had a full head of hair.
I was quite shocked at how much hair he had.
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I know it was an old wives tale, but I
believe it because judging from our three babies, my son
was born with the most hair, and I had the
worst acid reflex. I don't think you really had it
at much. I did, and Luca actually was born with
a little bit of hair. I mean, you know when
they lose it like he subsequently lost it. For any
pregnant women who are listening and suffering from acid reflux.
I got this from Victoria divine but have fruit tangles.
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It helped. I used to take it like my medication. Yeah. Well,
getting back to Beck, she did op for a C
section judo her son being in the breech position, and
for weeks now she has been documenting on Instagram the
process of trying to flip him into the vertex position
through different exercises. I have really enjoyed watching all of
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her pregnancy content. In particular, she was sharing her first
couple of weeks of maternity leave, and she was doing
this huge clean out of her house. So every day
she'd set herself the task of cleaning a different room.
But that is a hard task when you're heavily praying Yah,
and I just thought it was so clever, because I mean,
she showed her TV unit and one of the drawers
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was literally full of just old cords that were all
just tied together. She said, look, we've lived here for
like three years and we've never ever touched this, and Beck,
You're correct, those are jobs that you were never going
to get around to doing. I remember the day before
Luca was born, we still had the princes in our
nursery to put up, and I was about to get
put them into frames and I was like, now I've
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got to sit down. Those pictures have not gone up.
I don't think they'll ever go up. Oh, it's the worst.
You really do feel like the clock is ticking. You're like,
there's no way I'm going to have any time to
prioritize this. And then also your house gets filled with
even more crap because babies come with a lot of
stuff and they grow out of it quickly, Like where
do I put all this? A lot of cardboard as
well from all the things you buy. Now, there was
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a lot of love on this post. Laura Henshaw wrote
congratulations Angel. Victoria Devine also wrote welcome to the world, Tommy,
You're already so loved. I didn't know that the two
of them were friends. Yeah, no, n I mean they
both live in Melbourne, so I'm assuming that they've been
to events together. What did you think of the name Tommy?
I loved it. It was so refreshing to hear a
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normal name and it just made me think of Tommy Fury.
I don't know if that's the influence. Yeah, it made
me think is it Thomas and the nicknames Tommy or
you're just going with Tommy on the birth certificate. He's
a gorgeous baby as well. I couldn't get over how
cute he was. Now. It's quite interesting though, because when
Beck uploaded her post, Instagram flagged that one of the
photos had been altered using AI. So this is a
(24:55):
new feature on Instagram. So any content that is created
using a third par Ai tool, it will receive an
AI info label if you post it on your feed,
So when you click on the label, it then outlines
to any of your followers that the content may have
been created with AI, and it gives users ways to
help identify it. Now they have that in place, so
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people can obviously tell if something has been highly altered.
For instance, I mean I saw one recently a Halloween
post where there was a kangaroo who was supposedly punching
a ghost in someone's yard. I mean, I thought it
was fairly obvious that it was AI, but it is
there for people who might not be across it all.
I mean, I think it's helpful, particularly if someone has
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run their photo through AI to enhance the way they
look like. I think that's great. And or for any
fake news that people are posting about, because I constantly
see fake news headlines with altered pictures of celebrities. Yeah.
Now I want to point out the Inbex photo dump,
there were a lot of photos of her looking very glamorous.
I have to say, Oh, she looked so good. I
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was like, God, I did not look like that. See,
these were the photos I was hoping for, but I
got the complete opposite of them. I had my handhead on.
My husband would let me take the handead off anyway.
And I think that she really wanted to clear up
the fact that she didn't AI any of the surgical
photos or any of that sort of stuff. She clarified
in her stories that no AI was involved in the
birth announcement. She wrote, I swear I didn't AI this post.
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I used Gemini to change Josh's Hannett from red to
blue because it was very jarring, but then ended up
turning the whole photo black and white. Anyway. It's funny
because you would assume that she would be turning a
black and white for any like red blood in the background,
not like a red handt. I love that she's spending
her time after having her baby changing the hairnet. Why
is that something that I would do? God, she looks
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like she's been having a good time in the private
hospital that she's at. Like, I couldn't believe the meals
that she's been posting with cheesecakes and what's Like. I
heard Laura Brn talking about being in a private hospital
for her daughter Poppy and they had high teas every day,
and I was like, God, I really missed out in
the public sector. God, then you go to the reality
back home, You're probably like, what the hell is my
(27:02):
high tea? I didn't actually eat one meal that the
hospital provided me with it either, that disgusting. On that note,
I think that is where we will leave you for today.
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Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, a YouTube
family flee the country ahead of the kids' social media
band has Olivia Rodgers rekindled her friendship with stylist Pulta
Saci and the afr's Iwatering Young Rich List. But first,
(00:28):
Matt Zakowski has been spotted on a second date with
adelaide normie Emily Lawson. Despite hosing down relationship speculation on
his podcast, The pair attended Derby Day together alongside a
group of friends. Kate, this one surprised me because I
thought she really messed things up on the first date,
because it was only three weeks ago when she essentially
hard launched her relationship with Matt on her Instagram story
(00:51):
and Matt didn't seem happy about it on his podcast. No,
he jumped on his own podcast and essentially watered down
those rumors and always had a bit of a laugh
about it with his co host Anna McAvoy, saying that
people were getting a bit ahead of themselves and saying
he was quite shocked to see that image floating around. Well,
it seemed like they were kind of inferring Emily was
a bit of a clout chaser, because Anni made a
comment that Emily should have kept the story to her
(01:13):
close friends list. Well. Also, Matt did reiterate that while
Emily was a nice girl, it definitely wasn't a hard
launch and he was very much single. I wonder if
they discussed social media etiquette this time, because Emily ended
up posting another mirror selfie, but this time her and
Matt's heads were cropped out of the photo, so it's
just of their bodies. Yeah, and you could kind I mean,
(01:34):
you couldn't really make out who it was. However, she
backed it up on her Instagram story by re sharing
another story that she was tagged in. So in this story,
the person films and pans around, and there's Emily and
then there's some friends, and then there's Matt. So it
was obvious they were together. Well, they also backed it
up by sharing individual photos in the same hotel room,
which clearly one another had taken. Yeah. Well, someone commented
(01:56):
under Emily's photo camera person did well, to which she replied,
he's a pro. I mean, he really is a pro.
I'm sure he took a lot of Tammy's content back
in the day. You know what, tall people are also
very good at taking photos, so you get the right angles.
When these photos started emerging, I was like, oh my god,
imagine if Tammy Hembro runs into them, because she was
there at Derby Day being dressed by Paul Versaci. But
then I was like, oh, hang on, man, Emily, they're
(02:17):
sitting out on the lawn with a general public like
Tammy's in a marquee. We are going to chat about
this more on Friday Show, but I want to point
out that today is the Melbourne Cup and I am
really shocked at how many influencers are quite happy to
be posting at horse racing events. I feel like five
years ago there was a huge movement of saying nap
to the Cup, and now it's kind of like, oh,
(02:38):
everyone's got about it whatever, let's just attend. Who cares. Yeah,
it's so interesting to see how that's all changed. I
thought the Grand Prix was the replacement for the Melbourne
Cup where everyone gets dressed up, but it seems like
people want a second opportunity to do that during the year.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Today I'm leaving my wife and kids and moving from
Australia all the way to the UK by myself.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
A family of Perth YouTubers have announced they're moving to
the UK to avoid Australia's upcoming social media ban for children.
The Empire family are packing up and leaving their hometown,
all in a bid to save their fourteen year old
daughters platform before it's suspended. Kay, before we get into it,
can you get listeners up to speed with the ban?
So Australia is implementing a world first social media ban
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for children, so a lot of eyes are on Australia
at the moment. The ban is designed to protect young
people from the harmful impact of social media. Now, as
of the tenth of December, children under sixteen can no
longer have accounts on major social media platforms. Now, the
onus is on social media businesses to take reasonable steps
to prevent children from using their platforms. So this means
(03:44):
they need to detect and deactivate accounts of users under sixteen,
as well as stop them from creating accounts.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Platforms that don't comply could face fines of almost fifty
million dollars. Now. Those platforms include Facebook, Instagram, Chat, TikTok
x and also YouTube Now. Originally YouTube was actually exempt
from the ban, but that decision was reversed earlier this year,
so children under sixteen will still be able to view
(04:12):
videos on YouTube, but they can't have their own account,
and that means they won't be able to upload content
or interact on the platform at all. A lot of
kids were hoping that YouTube wouldn't be included on the list,
and I'm guessing YouTube being included in this ban as
what has pushed the Empire family over the edge to
move to London. I have never heard of the Empire family.
(04:32):
Are they someone I should be watching? Look? I wasn't
familiar with them either until this story went viral. So
they're a family of four from Perth. The family is
made up of mothers Beck and Beck Yes they have
the same name, and their children seventeen year old son
Presley and fourteen year old daughter Charlie. Now. They launched
the YouTube channel in twenty eighteen after their then primary
(04:52):
school age kids beg them to make it. Ironically, the
mothers were initially apprehensive to allow their kids online due
to the dangers, but they finally gave in. Now This
move clearly paid off because over the last seven years,
they've attracted six million followers across their combined social media platforms,
and content creation is now their full time job. The
(05:13):
kids now have branched off and have their own social
media platforms, so they've got their own YouTube channels, their
own Instagram accounts, and Bet claims to manage their teenager's
accounts entirely, including saying that she films, edits and monitors
the comments. I mean, we have to take that on
face value, but do you think it's realistic to think
that those teenagers don't have any interaction with their own account. Oh,
(05:35):
the kids are definitely jumping on and having a look
at the comments and engaging with people. I mean, their
mum may also have the logins, but I'm sure that
they both have logins. I mean, surely seventeen year old
Presley has access to his own account, and I would
say fourteen year old Charlie does as well. Now she
is the one that's actually affected by Australia's new social
media rules. The band means that she is set to
(05:55):
lose five hundred and thirty six thousand YouTube subscribers and
one hundred and eighty eight Instagram followers alongside two hundred
and eighty four TikTok followers. So could they just pause
their account though, and then they could get it back
when they are over sixteen or does it wipe them completely? Well,
it depends on the platform. Some platforms are allowing accounts
to be archived and then when you're over sixteen you
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can reactivate them, whereas others are just completely deleting them.
I think it's a bit unfair to delete them, particularly
because social media is big business these days, and whilst
perhaps unethical to do so, these children have still cultivated
a huge following through hard work. I wonder if you
can transfer the ownership to your parent. It will be
very interesting to see how this all works in the
(06:37):
real world and where the people will be able to
protest against certain pages disappearing. It will be because at
the moment there's not a blanket rule. The owners is
all on the social media companies to come up with
a plan, and they don't all have to operate from
the same plan. Now. In terms of how the Empire
family announced this news to their fans, they uploaded a
TikTok where they shared that Beck was on the way
(06:59):
to London to look for a house for the family,
so she left her wife and kids at home while
she did that, and in the voiceover, she spoke about
the difficult decision to relocate to save Charlie's social media
account now. She claimed that they came to the decision
after Charlie decided that she no longer wanted to attend
normal school and would finish school online. And because of
(07:20):
that decision, Beck said they now have the freedom to
live anywhere in the world. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
We're really lucky that social media is a full time job.
But what do you guys think of the new band
that's coming in for Australian for under sixteen. It's lucky
for Charlie. She's only fourteen, but we're going to be
living in London, and she's a British citizen as well,
so it won't actually affect her. It's only for Australians
under sixteen years old, And to be completely honest with
you guys, it's actually one of the reasons we decided
to leave Australia.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
This might sound crazy, but I can kind of see
why they're doing this. Even if you can freeze your
account and save your followers. By the time you jump
back on there in a couple of years time, those
people still aren't going to be potentially engaged in your
content anymore, because you really have to grow with your
audience and keep putting out constant content in order to
stay in people's minds. So in Charlie's situation in two
(08:06):
years time, when she comes back to social media when
she's sixteen, people probably won't care about her anymore because
there's been this whole period of her life which they've
missed out on. Yeah, but I personally feel like a
fourteen year old shouldn't be having a career on social media.
I understand that she's cultivated this following off the back
of the Family Channel, but the fact that the government
(08:27):
is implementing these bands shows just how damaging social media
is to people under sixteen, and I mean people over
sixteen as well. So how damaging is it going to
be for her mental health when she loses a platform
that she could potentially build a huge career off. Well
in comparison to uprooting her whole life to move to
a different country away from all her friends and you know,
the place that she grew up in. I mean, that's
(08:48):
a massive life change, and I think in terms of
social media, you can be deplatformed in the blink of
an eye. Your TikTok can get deleted, you can be canceled.
I understand that it would be such a big deal
as a kids getting your platform of hundreds of thousands
of followers taken away from you, But it's pretty extreme
to uproot your whole life. Oh I'm not saying it's
not extreme, but from a business perspective, I can see
(09:10):
why it'd be worthwhile for them to keep this platform around.
I think this is what's upset a lot of people
because it's like, well, are you thinking of your daughter
or are you thinking from a business perspective? Because the
moms still have their own account, the son can have
his account. Why can't they operate on their own social
media accounts and just keep Charlie off it for the
next two years because clearly she's probably cracked that behind
(09:32):
closed doors and thinks, well, this is unfair that my
brother gets to go on there. He's only a couple
of years older than me. My moms get to do
it now. As you would expect, this video attracted a
huge response, a lot of people agreed with uk and
so that they couldn't believe that the family was uprooting
their kids' lives to continue one of their child's social
(09:53):
media careers. One user wrote, moving because of the social
media ban is ridiculous. That ban is one of the
best things to happen in Australia now. Beck replied saying,
we're not actually against the ban. We aren't naive to
the fact that there are some real problems for kids
on social media. But those people who know us and
follow us, no, we travel often for work and we
(10:13):
were looking to move before the ban was confirmed. We
were already leaving and decided to leave before the ban begun.
I mean that contradicts what she said in the video though,
because she said, to be completely honest with you guys,
it's actually one of the reasons we decided to leave Australia. Now,
this story ended up making mainstream media and Beck was
subsequently interviewed by Mama Mia and she said when they
(10:35):
heard the band was actually happening, they had to come
up with a solution to keep Charlie online because she
loves it. Now Charlie was also interviewed and she said
that a blanket approach was wrong and that she doesn't
think it will stop teens from using social media. Her
mother chimed in, saying, the Internet is not going away
and we need to teach kids how to use it responsibly.
I think that the social media ban is a step
(10:56):
that we need to take, and it's going to be
a very positive one. The issue lies, though, with the
children who've already grown up on social media and who
already have accounts. They're going to find this ban very difficult,
and it's going to be very tough for all of
the platforms to actually deactivate their accounts. I would hate
to be the parents of these teenagers that are getting
(11:17):
kicked off social media. Would absolutely be a nightmare dealing
with them, because let's be honest, they're all addicted to
social media just like we are. I mean, I would
find it really hard if someone was like, hang on,
you can't go on it anymore. I also think that
there is going to be a lot of pressure on
the parents to make sure that this band sticks with
their kids and they're not finding other ways to get
around it. Well, in saying that there aren't any penalties
(11:37):
for kids that use social media, all the penalties are
directed at the social media companies. I think what isn't
helping this situation is the uncertainty around how platforms are
actually implementing the ban, because even though we're so close
to it happening, we still don't know how it's taking effect.
There's been speculation the platforms could potentially use facial recognition
(11:58):
technology or even have official ID checks. These proposed methods
have sparked a lot of fears around data privacy breaches
and the accuracy of age verification software. Now the government
has come out and said social media platforms aren't required
to use any specific technologies, and they're also not required
to enforce government ID checks to prove age. Instead, they've
(12:20):
been told they must offer practical alternatives. I feel like
it's a bit of a cop out that the government
aren't being more hands on at telling social media companies
what they need to do and helping them come up
with a solution. It's kind of like they don't want
to be the bad guys and enforce these strict protocols.
But I mean, realistically, how are social media platforms meant
to do it? Otherwise you have your own mydald, no
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way is that time of year when we marvel at
just how much bank some influencers make. Late last week,
the Australian Financial Review released their list of Australia's Richest
forty and under and there were some familiar names on
the list. Now, in order to qualify in twenty twenty five,
you need a fortune of at least forty four million
dollars kate. Now, the collective wealth of the top one
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hundred young Australians is forty five billion dollars, which is
pretty remarkable. That is an eye watering figure. And obviously
we're looking at this from an influencer perspective, but twenty
eight billion of those dollars was actually from the tech sector,
so the influence has actually fared quite low on the
list in comparison. Well, there is a bit of a
(13:27):
crossover with that because the majority of influencers who made
the list all have fitness tech platforms. So Kayla, it's
seen as took out top spot for fitness influencers, coming
in at thirty eight with one hundred and seventy six
million dollars. I love how her ex fiance and former
business partner Toby Pierce was ranked just above her with
one hundred and seventy nine million, Like, I wonder how
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they work that out. Well, he has a number of
other businesses. He's got a lot of fingers in other piles.
So does Kayla. We heard recently that she owns petrol
stations and medical centers, so obviously his other businesses are
just doing slightly better than hers. Then there was Emily
sky Anderson in sixty second place with one hundred and
seven million dollars, followed by Tammy Hembro in ninetieth spot
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with fifty eight million, and then Steph Claire Smith rounded
off the one hundred places with forty four million dollars.
I always wonder by Laura Henshaw is always missed off
these lists because she is Steph Lesmith's business partner. She
presumably has around the same money as Steph. So is
it a thing you can actually opt out of? Yeah,
well I think so, because your financial wealth is your
(14:34):
own business. Obviously they're having to provide these figures to
the AFR. Well, it's interesting you say that because the
AFR included a little disclaimer about how they calculate people's wealth.
So the evaluations are calculated using publicly available information. Including
measuring share prices. So it makes me think perhaps the
individuals aren't contacted and put themselves forward for the advertiser
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had their own version of the Rich lif which I
don't think that they actually researched properly. I think they
just ranked people wherever they wanted to rank them, because
the shameless girls were in there, and they have spoken
before about how they don't publicly outline how much money
their business makes and they don't feel comfortable to go
into it, I assume because they want to maintain a
(15:19):
relatability with their audience. Yeah, so basically they just go, Okay,
who are people that have a public platform and look
like they're doing well. All right, we'll put them on
the list and rank them where we see because obviously
these lists get a lot of engagement and a lot
of clicks. Well, back to the afr's list, Roxy Jsanko's husband,
Oliver Curtis, debut in twelfth position with an estimated fortune
(15:40):
of four hundred and forty four million dollars. What is
it that he does again? So he is now the
co founder and CEO of an Australian AI infrastructure company
called Firmis, And this is an absolute monumental turnaround for him,
considering that he was jailed in twenty sixteen for insider trading. Wow,
it was Roxy on this list as well. No, she
(16:03):
wasn't well. She shut down her PR business, Sweaty Betty
for a number of years when she moved to Singapore
for Oliver's business, which I can see why now after
hearing how much money he's earned, it makes sense why
they've sent Pixie off to that expensive Swiss boarding school.
Did you see all the presents she got when she
visited home? I did. It wasn't surprising because they are
known for having the most extravagant birthday wish lists and
(16:25):
Christmas lists. Her sweet sixteen is going to be huge. Well,
her past birthdays I've noticed have actually been quite subdued
in relation to the other ones. Maybe it's no longer
cool to have a big show off party. She will
have a massive sixteenth, especially when the dad's worth nearly
five hundred million dollars far out. US influencer Kate Cassidy
(16:45):
has shared what she says is a sign from her
late boyfriend Liam Payne after she was involved in a
car crash last week. Now, the twenty six year old
shared a video on Instagram revealing she'd been involved in
the accident. So the real began with the caption how
it started and showed her getting into a bright blue Lamborghini.
(17:05):
It then cut to footage of the cars front badly damaged,
with the caption how it ended, and she added lesson
learn don't let your girlfriend drive your brand new car now.
The current question belonged to Kate's friend, Alexandra Gale's boyfriend. Thankfully,
no one was injured in the crash, but it instopped
the media running with very sensationalized headlines. A number of
(17:26):
publications made readers have to click to the story to
find out if Kate was okay, while other publications almost
made it sound like the couple were cursed with bad luck. Yeah,
it was really gross. I kept seeing this pop up
on Facebook, probably because I am a huge one direction fan.
I was gonna say, this hasn't been in my and
I was like, oh my god, is she okay? And
I just thought it was really sick the way they
(17:48):
were plastering photos of her and limb and sort of
eluding that something and tragic had happened to her as well.
That is gross. Now, following the accident, Kate believes she
received a sign from Lin and anyone who follows her
knows that she's really into numerology. Like Taylor Swift level
that she is into numerology, and she often posts little
signs to her Instagram story that she believes are from Lim,
(18:12):
in particular the angel number four four four, which she
also ended up getting tattooed on her hand. Now, in numerology,
four four four is a sign that the angels are
with you and they are going to guide you step
by step. Now, I am not shitting you, but Kate
received a police crash number which she ended up posting
(18:33):
on her Instagram, which ended in four four four. Now,
what are the chances of that? Look, I have to
be skeptical here. I think if you're looking out for
particular numbers and signs all the time, then you're going
to see them because you're going to read into things
a lot. It's pretty freaky though. I mean, I think
that if there's something that gives you peace and makes
you feel better, then go for it. Yeah, I agree.
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I mean I'm not judging. I mean, believe what you want,
but I do some times think if there is a
number that you're always focused on, you're obviously going to
notice it a lot more if hears. Olivia Rodgers and
her former stylist Paul for Saci otherwise known as Style
by Bloom, may have rekindled their friendship. So the start
of this year, rumors were swelling that the former besties
(19:17):
had a massive buster which led them to unfollow each other. Now,
the telltale sign was when Olivia stopped working with Paul
all together. I feel like she was the one that
made him big on Instagram, Like no one really knew
who he was before he started working with her. Well,
because now he works with a lot of top Ozzie
influencers and also a lot of the wives and girlfriends
(19:38):
of AFL players. He dressed a lot of them for
the Brown Low. Well more recently, Tammy hembro for Derby Dayly.
That was a nassive yet for him, Tammy spent the
whole weekend hanging out with Paul and Paul's boyfriend and
tagging him well. Funnily enough, Paul's boyfriend's name is Bail Smith,
so very close to Bailey Smith. So the media were
(19:58):
running with these headlines. Tammy Tambo reveals surprise relationship updated.
She poses with Bail Smith at Derby Day, so they
were acting as if Tammy had moved on with a
guy with a very similar name to her ex flame
Bailey Smith. That it was actually Paul for Sarchi's boyfriend is hilarious. Well,
getting back to Olivia and Paul, the reason why people
(20:19):
think that things are back on between them is due
to a comment that Paul left on one of Olivia's
recent videos. So she posted a real showcasing her Spring
carnival looks from the archives, and she asked her followers
which were their favorites. Now. Paul decided to comment on
this post. He wrote, so many faves with star emojis.
(20:40):
What do you think, Kate Well? I feel like when
Olivia addressed the Paul situation earlier this year, she kind
of left the door open. She spoke about how they're
not working together because he now lives in Queensland, but
she's never said, oh, we're not friends. That was just
sort of the impression that everyone took by it. What
do you think? And you don't unfollow someone if you're
(21:01):
still rooting for them and want to be friends with them.
I think that maybe they could just be exchanging pleasantries
at the moment and pretending to be nice to one another,
but obviously following each other again, comments, well, I feel
like by sharing some of her past looks that Paul
put together, it was almost like extending an olive branch
(21:21):
to him, because he did style her for a number
of these horse racing events. Do we think that Olivia
wants him back in terms of his styling ability, Well,
maybe she sees him working with all these other top
influencers and she's like, oh, I mean he is good.
He I mean, it's not hard to make o Livia
Rodgers look good, but he did do a good job
of it. Melbourne influencer beck Lomas has announced the arrival
(21:44):
of her baby boy Tommy, the first time. Mum shared
the news to her one hundred and thirty thousand followers
on Instagram, saying the C section was a good decision,
with her son's head circumference measuring a whopping thirty seven centimeters,
which for those playing at home play him in the
seventy fifth to ninetieth percentile for their heads. Oh, as babies,
(22:05):
we had very big heads. We were in the ninetieth
percentile as well, and we were prem so all Beck
predicted all along that she was going to have a
big baby, and she was right. She also thought that
he'd have a thick head of hair because she had
experienced really terrible acid reflux throughout her pregnancy. She was
also right with that he had a full head of hair.
I was quite shocked at how much hair he had.
(22:27):
I know it was an old wives tale, but I
believe it because judging from our three babies, my son
was born with the most hair, and I had the
worst acid reflex. I don't think you really had it
at much. I did, and Luca actually was born with
a little bit of hair. I mean, you know when
they lose it like he subsequently lost it. For any
pregnant women who are listening and suffering from acid reflux.
I got this from Victoria divine but have fruit tangles.
(22:50):
It helped. I used to take it like my medication. Yeah. Well,
getting back to Beck, she did op for a C
section judo her son being in the breech position, and
for weeks now she has been documenting on Instagram the
process of trying to flip him into the vertex position
through different exercises. I have really enjoyed watching all of
(23:10):
her pregnancy content. In particular, she was sharing her first
couple of weeks of maternity leave, and she was doing
this huge clean out of her house. So every day
she'd set herself the task of cleaning a different room.
But that is a hard task when you're heavily praying Yah,
and I just thought it was so clever, because I mean,
she showed her TV unit and one of the drawers
(23:31):
was literally full of just old cords that were all
just tied together. She said, look, we've lived here for
like three years and we've never ever touched this, and Beck,
You're correct, those are jobs that you were never going
to get around to doing. I remember the day before
Luca was born, we still had the princes in our
nursery to put up, and I was about to get
put them into frames and I was like, now I've
(23:52):
got to sit down. Those pictures have not gone up.
I don't think they'll ever go up. Oh, it's the worst.
You really do feel like the clock is ticking. You're like,
there's no way I'm going to have any time to
prioritize this. And then also your house gets filled with
even more crap because babies come with a lot of
stuff and they grow out of it quickly, Like where
do I put all this? A lot of cardboard as
well from all the things you buy. Now, there was
(24:12):
a lot of love on this post. Laura Henshaw wrote
congratulations Angel. Victoria Devine also wrote welcome to the world, Tommy,
You're already so loved. I didn't know that the two
of them were friends. Yeah, no, n I mean they
both live in Melbourne, so I'm assuming that they've been
to events together. What did you think of the name Tommy?
I loved it. It was so refreshing to hear a
(24:32):
normal name and it just made me think of Tommy Fury.
I don't know if that's the influence. Yeah, it made
me think is it Thomas and the nicknames Tommy or
you're just going with Tommy on the birth certificate. He's
a gorgeous baby as well. I couldn't get over how
cute he was. Now. It's quite interesting though, because when
Beck uploaded her post, Instagram flagged that one of the
photos had been altered using AI. So this is a
(24:55):
new feature on Instagram. So any content that is created
using a third par Ai tool, it will receive an
AI info label if you post it on your feed,
So when you click on the label, it then outlines
to any of your followers that the content may have
been created with AI, and it gives users ways to
help identify it. Now they have that in place, so
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people can obviously tell if something has been highly altered.
For instance, I mean I saw one recently a Halloween
post where there was a kangaroo who was supposedly punching
a ghost in someone's yard. I mean, I thought it
was fairly obvious that it was AI, but it is
there for people who might not be across it all.
I mean, I think it's helpful, particularly if someone has
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run their photo through AI to enhance the way they
look like. I think that's great. And or for any
fake news that people are posting about, because I constantly
see fake news headlines with altered pictures of celebrities. Yeah.
Now I want to point out the Inbex photo dump,
there were a lot of photos of her looking very glamorous.
I have to say, Oh, she looked so good. I
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was like, God, I did not look like that. See,
these were the photos I was hoping for, but I
got the complete opposite of them. I had my handhead on.
My husband would let me take the handead off anyway.
And I think that she really wanted to clear up
the fact that she didn't AI any of the surgical
photos or any of that sort of stuff. She clarified
in her stories that no AI was involved in the
birth announcement. She wrote, I swear I didn't AI this post.
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I used Gemini to change Josh's Hannett from red to
blue because it was very jarring, but then ended up
turning the whole photo black and white. Anyway. It's funny
because you would assume that she would be turning a
black and white for any like red blood in the background,
not like a red handt. I love that she's spending
her time after having her baby changing the hairnet. Why
is that something that I would do? God, she looks
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like she's been having a good time in the private
hospital that she's at. Like, I couldn't believe the meals
that she's been posting with cheesecakes and what's Like. I
heard Laura Brn talking about being in a private hospital
for her daughter Poppy and they had high teas every day,
and I was like, God, I really missed out in
the public sector. God, then you go to the reality
back home, You're probably like, what the hell is my
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high tea? I didn't actually eat one meal that the
hospital provided me with it either, that disgusting. On that note,
I think that is where we will leave you for today.
Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
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nine a month. This episode was recorded on the traditional
land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We
pay respect to elders past and present.
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