October 6, 2025 • 20 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken Plus. It's your extra dose
of the hottest influencer and pop culture news. I'm Kate
Torbert and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton sparks
debate about the toothberry, Laura Byrn and Maddie Jay, Welcome
Baby number three, and the controversial AI photos.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Of Liam Payne and Kate Cassidy. Her first Sarah's Day.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Has unveiled the fancy drinks her and her husband Kurt
liked to drink at nighttime.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And I was pretty interested to see because she and Kurt.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Don't drink alcohol, and I'm all for having like a
nice pick me up drink after I've put my son
to bed to go with my meals. I was like, Oh,
this is going to be cool, Like I'm guessing it
will be a fancy mocktail with maybe some fruit in it,
some pomegranite. However, I was really disappointed she got wine
glasses out, put ice cubes in, and then mixed up
some of her electrolytes that she's spooking, and I was like,
(00:52):
is that it? I think she realized how boring it was.
And then she got some sort of like collagen syrup
out of the fridge and porter on top. I don't
know if that makes more interesting. That sounds like something
you drink in the morning before you do a workout,
and not something that you unwine.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Too at nighttime.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I was like, God, is this how dire the hiro
situation has gotten. Off the back of that, I'm guessing
failed campaign because it seems to be a lot of
it's still available and they're now having to spook at
us our nighttime drink. Maybe they're like, God, I've got
so many of these saschets left.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We're going to get rid of them.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
One thing I did relate to that Sarah said, though,
is the fact that Pheel's fancy to drink any drink
from a wine glass, even if it's not wine.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I got a flashback on snapchat and it was like
two years ago, and I used to drink my kombucher
out of one of those Target Coop glasses at nighttime.
And I'm like, I have to bring that back because
I think, especially having a young child, your nighttimes are
so exciting now, like once they're in bed, you're like, fuck, yes,
this is me time. You need to romanticize those times. Well,
(01:48):
I've been drinking sodally. I'm trying to get off coke
zer or. I spoke about it on another episode, but
they're that good and I always have to make sure
I have ice in my drink though I feel like
it just doesn't seem like a treat if it doesn't
have ice. I am deep in my Coke zero era.
I hate saying the word era. I feel like an
annoying gens at it. But we have been buying the
slabs of coke no sugar in a can, and I
(02:10):
feel like that is a game changer. I can't have
it out of the bottle now. I saw a guy
on TikTok rating the Coke zero experience.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He rated the two later bottles as the worst. Yeah,
and it's true.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They do not taste as good as the one point
two five or obviously the cans or the smaller bottles.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They really don't.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But you were asking before about drink of choice, and
I have to put it out there. Amy has got
me into the celsiest energy drinks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Where do you get these from? I don't even know
the brand.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I have no idea where she got it from, but
I've heard about it because Saffron Barker is a big
fan of them. She's always breaking them, and usually you
can only get them in America, but I think Amy's
found somewhere that sells them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
She brought one over for me.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It was a watermelon flavored one, and obviously, having a
young baby, there's a lot of early mornings and I
had one of these and oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It put a pep in my step.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I think it's important to point out that we don't drink,
so that's why you're looking for something that's going to pepuli.
It's not coffee because we get headaches if we have it. Well,
that's not why I don't have mine, just don't like
the taste. I was talking a mile a fucking minute
on this thing. I was like, Wow, I feel on
top of the world, but I don't want to become
reliant on it. I've only had one so far. Amy
must be deep in like beverage TikTok if that's even
a thing. Because she was telling me about this amazing
(03:20):
energy drink that's like a Macha one from Stephen Bartlett's brand. Well,
this one has green tea extract inner and it's got
no sugar, so it's supposed to be healthier than I
suppose a monster, but it's still not great for you.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's still an energy drink. Yeah, I was going to say,
I don't know if any energy drinks are healthy.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well. When I worked in breakfast radio, I was one
of the few people who didn't drink coffee.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
My little treat would be at.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
The end of a shift, so I would start at
I'd have to be in there at four am, and
because I only did it part time, I could leave
at nine and I'd be driving home when everyone else
was driving to work, and I would stop at the
little bakery at Brighton and get myself a Lentil pie,
and that my treat. If we're gonna say coke zero
frozen cochd nah, I can't drink coke zero in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It just seems wrong. Just a warning.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
If you are listening to this podcast out loud with
little ears, I think you should pop some headphones in
because we will be discussing the magical world of the
tooth Fairy. Indy Clinton has sparked debate about how much
money kids should receive from the tooth Fairy. The TikToker
rage baited her audience by pretending to give her son
one hundred and fifty dollars for his first tooth. So,
if it was clear from the get go, Indy was
(04:28):
taking the role of the tooth fairy very seriously. Yeah,
I really like this As a new parent, this is
something that I can't wait to do create those magic moments.
And Indy said that while she has been Father Christmas
and also the Easter Bunny, she's ready for this new role.
And she definitely did put a lot of effort into it.
So she created a whimsical fairy character called Opal, and
(04:50):
she bought this cute little fairy jar which she filled
with blue glitter for the note and money to go in.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It was all very.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Wholesome, but her biggest concern was what she was going
to do with the tooth afterwards. So her fairy character
Opal was going to use it as a wheelbarrow for
her fairy house. But as for Indy, she had no
idea what to actually do with it, and Big Ed
had a suggestion of his own. He said, just throw
it in the bin. Now that I have a baby,
(05:17):
I'm like, I could never throw any of his teeth
in the bin, and it kind of makes me feel
bad for calling our mom out because on the podcast
before we've spoken about the fact that she was a
dental therapist for forty years and she was very strict
about what we could eat. We were never allowed to
drink orange juice soft drink. We only had soft drink
on the weekend, which now say things like we're rebelling
and having it every day. Anyway, when it came to
(05:39):
our teeth, I think she talked you and I into saying, oh,
we want to keep our teeth. So the tooth fairy
actually never took our teeth. She left them, but Amy
was like, no, I want the tooth fairy to take them.
We had this book growing up about how the tooth
fairy would take the teeth and build a castle out
of them, so I think Amy wanted to help the
tooth fairy with her castle. However, when we were old,
(06:00):
we discovered that Mum had kept all of our teeth,
including Amy's, in these like girkin jars in the back
of the pants. So I have to defend mum our
teeth because we chose to keep them, they were preserved
in nice little boxes, whereas because she had to hide
Amy's teeth, hers were the ones in a girkin jar
filled with water.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
But couldn't she have just hid Amy's in a box
somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think she was afraid that she would find them.
Imagine searching in the pantry looking for girkins of being like, ah, well,
kin's teeth is so little as well. I mean, Indy
almost lost the tooth during the filming of the videos.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Things. I suppose you don't want to be burying them
in the backyard, Like that's going to be a bit creepy.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So I'm so confused why would you bury them on?
Trying to work out what you do with them? I'm thinking,
like when your pet passes away, you bury them, and.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Like teeth kind of fucking odd.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm sorry, just throw on the bin. If you're going
to get rid of them like that, you bury them.
They probably think there's a murder that's gone on.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I'm just trying to work out, like what would you
actually do, Like what are you supposed to do with them?
Can parents send in and say what they've done with
their child's teeth? Because I'm very intrigued getting back to
this story. Though Indy really does have ticked down to
a fine art. She is fantastic at drawing an audience
in so she started the video by shocking her followers
with just how much Navy would apparently be receiving for
(07:10):
his first tooth. Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
One hundred and fifty dollars was a good amount, but
he's first two.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
At all in a moment. Oh so this was at
the start of her video, and I pretty much ran
to the comment section, and as expected, parents were losing
their mind. So one follower said how much is the
tooth fairy giving in capitals, which received over eight hundred likes.
Another said, I'll whip my teeth out and you can
be my tooth fairy for one hundred and fifty dollars.
(07:39):
What do you think the going rate for a child's
tooth should be? Well, not one hundred and fifty dollars.
Like growing up, we used to get one dollar for
our teeth. That was the going rate. I remember hearing
some kids got a note like a five dollars and
a ten and I was like, what the hell I mean?
I suppose thirty years on with inflation, maybe it should
be a five dollars zero.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I've got no idea really.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I saw in the comment section there was a teacher
who was suggesting that parents should make.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Sure that they tell their child that each child has.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
An individual tooth fairy, so that's why they are differing
amounts of teeth. I mean, you'd probably be like, why
have they got this cheap ass tooth fairy that's given me?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Fuck all?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yah. School makes it so difficult. And social media, I
mean it's the same at Christmas time and also Easter,
how people just go so over the top. At least
with Christmas there is the buffer of the six week
holiday break where kids have probably forgotten what they got.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
For Christmas by then.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Now, I do want to point out that Indie hasn't
totally lost her mind. She was, in fact rage baiting
her followers because in the video she pointed out that
she was just joking and added a five dollar note
to the jar. She also said in the comment section
that she convinced herself out of giving one hundred and
fifty dollars and decided to spend it on getting her
nails fixed instead. She did almost get sprung in the
(08:57):
act though, when she was performing her role of the
tooth fairy because because when she was creeping into Navy's
room to retrieve the tooth, somehow Netflix started blaring on
her phone on no So bad Batchela Power couple Laura
Byrne and Mattie J. Have welcomed baby number three, a
beautiful girl called Poppy Pearl Johnson. I feel like this
(09:20):
name was very on theme, particularly with their first daughter, Marley.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
May like the two m's. She's got the two piece.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Their middle daughter, Lola, though she didn't get an l
middle name, she is Lola Ellis. There's a lot of
el's in Ellis. It's clearly like very cute.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
See names now.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Days prior to the official announcement on Instagram, Mattie J.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Teased his followers that Laura was.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
In labor, so he uploaded a video of him performing
this jokey interpretive dance to apparently distract her from the contractions.
It was very Megan Markle of him to do so
because he filmed it whilst he was in the hospital room.
I mean a little bit different because Megan was in labor,
But I see where you're coming from with that Baby
Mama dance isn't the same song though, No. He also
(10:02):
shared a photo of the dreaded leather fold out hospital
chair that most fathers have to sleep in and wrote,
so old Fox.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
We meet again.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
But following those posts, it was pretty much radio silence,
and I noticed in the Life Uncut Facebook group there
were a lot of listeners who were growing increasingly impatient
and saying, oh my god, Laura feels like a friend.
I want to know what's going on. I hope she's okay.
I hope everything's okay. So on Saturday, Laura and Maddie
Jay finally broke the news, writing third time really is
(10:31):
a charm our. Sweet little Poppy girl is here and
we are truly and utterly obsessed with every interview Poppy
Pearl Johnson, Welcome to the world, precious one. The other
comment section, of course, blew up, and Laura's co host
Britt wrote, there she is utter perfection and Poppy is
key too. I found the announcement a little bit anti
climactic because Mattie Jay already dropped the baby name on
(10:54):
his podcast weeks ago. Well it wasn't actually even on
his own podcast, it was on the Stellar podcast Something
to talk About, which was even odder. Yeah, I mean,
Laura has spoken a lot about how with baby number three,
she hasn't really been reveling in how magical this experience
is because she's been so distracted with looking after her
two other kids and making sure all their work is done,
(11:15):
because she's worked right up until her labor. So maybe
it's just like a case of they got so used
to using the name that it's just slipped out, and
they're like, we've got to run with it. I mean,
I was in a similar situation with Jack's name in
terms of with family and friends.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I was just telling everyone his name.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But well, he said during this interview with Stella, We're
absolutely excited and cannot wait to meet this little girl.
Poppy and Laura only found out about the slip up
when a follower asked her during a Q and A
whether she punched matt in the ovaries for revealing the
baby name, and she responded saying he did fucking what.
And then later that night they filmed themselves in bed
(11:52):
while Laura questioned Mattie Jay about it, and initially he
kind of denied it in a joking way, but they
both ended up having a laugh and Laura suggested that
he obviously just.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Let it slip.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, she's got something else to be annoyed at Mattie about,
because on one of the most recent episodes of Life Uncut,
the one she filmed just before she gave birth, she
spoke about how this time around she was going to.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
A private hospital.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
However, it turns out that matt is the one that
takes care of all of the private health insurance, and
she kept asking him, Oh, can you send me this
form I need to submit it to the hospital, and
he kept kind of putting it off, and it turned
out that he had accidentally let their private health insurance
lapse back in February. They'd send him all these emails
saying you need to pay now or we're going to
cut you off. Well, because you need to have the
(12:35):
private health in place, I think for a year in
order to be able to use its benefits when you
were pregnant.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Also just cut off.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Because they weren't paying for it, so it's not even
like they were paying for a lower level of coverage,
like they.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Had just stopped paying completely.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And then britt Hockley's like, oh, maybe cut this out
if you don't want it going out there. But hang on,
weren't you guys ambassadors for Booper, So it turns out
that they were ambassadors. So I don't know whether through
this ambassad a deal they signed them up and then
it got to a point in February where they maybe
it wasn't contra anymore and that'd just start.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Paying for it or something.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I don't necessarily think that you get health insurance as
a contra. I feel like there would be some legalities
around it. I think they're probably just paid by Boopa
the b in the ad. Well, even if that's the case,
it's a bit awkward that they're promoting this private health
insurance that they don't actually have. Well, I am very
intrigued to hear how they're going. I hope that Laura
does return at some point when she's ready to do
an interview, because she said that she's expecting the worst
(13:28):
but hoping for the best. Now that is the wise
words of someone who has previously had two other children. Yeah,
what's interesting because she hasn't set a return date on
Life on Cut. She said that, you know, who knows,
she might be back in three weeks. She might be
raring to go. Well, Mattie j is replacing her on
the pickup, which was an interesting choice. I thought maybe
it would have been Keisha. Well, Keisha's feeling in for
(13:49):
her on Life on Cut. I mean, I suppose Mattie
Jay is pretty ambitious and he has been on radio
before so and he's got his own podcast. I thought
it was a bit odd though, because I thought he
might be at home with them, because there's three kids
at home back. Then again, they do have Mattie Jay's
mum living with them, so I'm sure there will be
a lot of support around. Almost a year on from
Liam Payne's tragic death, his girlfriend Kate Cassidy has generated
(14:12):
headlines for sharing a series of AI generated images of
the couple. In the photos, Liam is embracing Kate at
a recent event she attended. In a caption to her
nine hundred and fifty six thousand followers, Kate wrote, AI
is a blessing and a curse. She then shared a
video of a box filled with letters, postcards, and polaroids
from Liam and captioned it tomorrow is not guaranteed. I
(14:34):
think it's really important to point out that Kate Cassidy
did not actually create these AI images herself. They were
created by a fan. Now In response to the AI photos,
some one Direction fan said that they felt uneasy seeing
the photos, whilst others said that it's unhealthy for her
to share them, and the media were very quick to
jump on this story, so they reported that Kate was
(14:56):
paying tribute to Liam almost a year out from the
anniversary of his dea death. There was a lot of
noise around the fact that she had shared these photos.
I mean, I personally didn't think it was a big deal.
I followed Kate, I saw these photos pop up. I
thought that's a nice way for her to feel connected
to him.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I mean, it's all.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Stemming from the fact that Kate has been receiving a
lot of negative attention for the way she has chosen
to mourn her boyfriend, which I just don't understand, Like
everyone mourns things differently. She is coping the best that
she can. I personally really enjoy seeing her journey with
it because it is quite rare to see someone in
the public eye so openly talking about their journey with grief,
because often you just see the person at the funeral,
(15:34):
you then see them a couple of years later. They
seem to be handling things well. But she often speaks
on her Instagram about how she's dealing with it and
the way that she and the ways that she's coping
and keeping Liam's memory alive. She often posts these little
signs that she sees from Lim, and as someone who
is a big One Direction fan, I feel comforted in
seeing them.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So she always.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Sees the number four four four, which she says is
an angel number, so it shows that Lim is her
guardian angel. She also often sees formations of clouds in
the sky that look like his signature tattoos. And it
was quite sweet because last month, for his thirty second birthday,
she commemorated it by baking a cake and writing happy birthday, Liam,
I know you still have the biggest sweet tooth in heaven.
(16:17):
The thing that is a bit uncomfortable is there are
a lot of One Direction fans who don't like her
because they blame her for Liam's death, because she did
leave Argentina a few days before he died, and I
keep saying why weren't you.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
There for him?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean talk about victim blaming the woman's had her
boyfriend die tragically. I mean she's only twenty five as well,
which blows my mind and The thing is a lot
of people are saying, oh, you're only speaking about Liam
to stay relevant. It's like, no, she's talking about him,
because if she pretended like her life just went on,
she'd also be accused of just using him. I mean,
this is the difficult thing. TikTok is a place where
(16:50):
people just spread hate anyway, So if she wasn't posting
about him and it had moved on and was getting
on with her life, she would be trolled for saying
how heartless she was and that she didn't really ever
care about Liam. And now because she does share about
how she's dealing with the grief, it's that she's a
clout chaser, so she couldn't really do anything other than
not post online. But her job is as an influencer.
(17:11):
She has to earn a living, she has to make money.
Liam Payne's son was given the inheritance. She hasn't got
any inheritance, and so it sounded like Liam was quite
close to popping the question to her as well. So,
I mean, it's very heartbreaking for her and it'd be very
difficult to move on now. She did hit back at
the negative comments surrounding the AI images she posted a
video to a one point seven million followers on TikTok.
(17:33):
Let's have a listen to some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I've said it once before, and I'm going to say
it again. Please stop judging the way people grief. Over
the past few days, I've seen so many posts, so
many news articles, even kind of in a way, bashing
me for finding comfort and peace and seeing photos of
me and Liam created with AI. None of you have
ever been in my position, and hopefully you never will be,
so please please kindly stop telling me how to grieve
and how I should be finding comfort and what I
(17:58):
shouldn't be finding comfort. In grief is so different for everyone.
There's no right or wrong. Grief is not linear. So
this is the message for anybody out there who is
dealing and navigating through grief. I want you to know
that do whatever it teakes for you to get through
your d's just that little bit more peaceful.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Kate went on to say she appreciated the fans who
made the AI edits and that she hates seeing them
getting criticized too. She also said she understands that people
all over the world are still grieving her boyfriend's passing
and it's a testament to the huge impact he had
on the world. I think we forgot to remember that
grief doesn't necessarily look the same for everyone. This is
a twenty five year old woman who lost her boyfriend
(18:37):
in the most shocking and public circumstances. I just think
if this AI image brings her some comfort and peace, then.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
That's all that matters. Who are we to judge how.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
She's dealing with this, And she's not the only person
who's lost a partner that shares this type of content,
Like there is a niche for widows and people who
have lost partners to share how they're grieving and going
through the process, and then it creates this community where
they can connect with other people who have gone through
the same thing. I think my only worry about these
images is that perhaps they could be causing her more
(19:09):
pain because it is showing how her life could have
been because these are photos of her at recent events,
and she's probably thinking, Oh God, I just wish Lianne
was at this event with me. Yeah. There's been a
lot of discussions about how AI is being used and
can potentially be used in the future to keep people's
memories alive. I find it all a little bit creepy
(19:30):
to be honest, Like, I still remember on Neighbors when
Margot Robbie was playing Donna and she was married to Ringo.
Remember that, Oh yeah, and he died in a car
accident and she kept playing his voicemail back over and
over again and listening to it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I still feel sad thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
And it's just really or unsettling to think about how
far AI technology can go to keep people's memories. Well,
it would already be so tough for Kate Cassidy because
her boyfriend was in one of the most famous boy bands.
Her algorithm would be on TikTok, would be full of
content of him. There's in so muge of him. There's
so much vision of him around.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
Thank you so much for joining us for this episode
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Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yes, thank you again.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the
Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
We pay respect to elders past and present,
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken Plus. It's your extra dose
of the hottest influencer and pop culture news. I'm Kate
Torbert and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton sparks
debate about the toothberry, Laura Byrn and Maddie Jay, Welcome
Baby number three, and the controversial AI photos.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Of Liam Payne and Kate Cassidy. Her first Sarah's Day.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Has unveiled the fancy drinks her and her husband Kurt
liked to drink at nighttime.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And I was pretty interested to see because she and Kurt.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Don't drink alcohol, and I'm all for having like a
nice pick me up drink after I've put my son
to bed to go with my meals. I was like, Oh,
this is going to be cool, Like I'm guessing it
will be a fancy mocktail with maybe some fruit in it,
some pomegranite. However, I was really disappointed she got wine
glasses out, put ice cubes in, and then mixed up
some of her electrolytes that she's spooking, and I was like,
(00:52):
is that it? I think she realized how boring it was.
And then she got some sort of like collagen syrup
out of the fridge and porter on top. I don't
know if that makes more interesting. That sounds like something
you drink in the morning before you do a workout,
and not something that you unwine.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Too at nighttime.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I was like, God, is this how dire the hiro
situation has gotten. Off the back of that, I'm guessing
failed campaign because it seems to be a lot of
it's still available and they're now having to spook at
us our nighttime drink. Maybe they're like, God, I've got
so many of these saschets left.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We're going to get rid of them.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
One thing I did relate to that Sarah said, though,
is the fact that Pheel's fancy to drink any drink
from a wine glass, even if it's not wine.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I got a flashback on snapchat and it was like
two years ago, and I used to drink my kombucher
out of one of those Target Coop glasses at nighttime.
And I'm like, I have to bring that back because
I think, especially having a young child, your nighttimes are
so exciting now, like once they're in bed, you're like, fuck, yes,
this is me time. You need to romanticize those times. Well,
(01:48):
I've been drinking sodally. I'm trying to get off coke
zer or. I spoke about it on another episode, but
they're that good and I always have to make sure
I have ice in my drink though I feel like
it just doesn't seem like a treat if it doesn't
have ice. I am deep in my Coke zero era.
I hate saying the word era. I feel like an
annoying gens at it. But we have been buying the
slabs of coke no sugar in a can, and I
(02:10):
feel like that is a game changer. I can't have
it out of the bottle now. I saw a guy
on TikTok rating the Coke zero experience.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He rated the two later bottles as the worst. Yeah,
and it's true.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
They do not taste as good as the one point
two five or obviously the cans or the smaller bottles.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They really don't.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But you were asking before about drink of choice, and
I have to put it out there. Amy has got
me into the celsiest energy drinks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Where do you get these from? I don't even know
the brand.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I have no idea where she got it from, but
I've heard about it because Saffron Barker is a big
fan of them. She's always breaking them, and usually you
can only get them in America, but I think Amy's
found somewhere that sells them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
She brought one over for me.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It was a watermelon flavored one, and obviously, having a
young baby, there's a lot of early mornings and I
had one of these and oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It put a pep in my step.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I think it's important to point out that we don't drink,
so that's why you're looking for something that's going to pepuli.
It's not coffee because we get headaches if we have it. Well,
that's not why I don't have mine, just don't like
the taste. I was talking a mile a fucking minute
on this thing. I was like, Wow, I feel on
top of the world, but I don't want to become
reliant on it. I've only had one so far. Amy
must be deep in like beverage TikTok if that's even
a thing. Because she was telling me about this amazing
(03:20):
energy drink that's like a Macha one from Stephen Bartlett's brand. Well,
this one has green tea extract inner and it's got
no sugar, so it's supposed to be healthier than I
suppose a monster, but it's still not great for you.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's still an energy drink. Yeah, I was going to say,
I don't know if any energy drinks are healthy.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well. When I worked in breakfast radio, I was one
of the few people who didn't drink coffee.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
My little treat would be at.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
The end of a shift, so I would start at
I'd have to be in there at four am, and
because I only did it part time, I could leave
at nine and I'd be driving home when everyone else
was driving to work, and I would stop at the
little bakery at Brighton and get myself a Lentil pie,
and that my treat. If we're gonna say coke zero
frozen cochd nah, I can't drink coke zero in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It just seems wrong. Just a warning.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
If you are listening to this podcast out loud with
little ears, I think you should pop some headphones in
because we will be discussing the magical world of the
tooth Fairy. Indy Clinton has sparked debate about how much
money kids should receive from the tooth Fairy. The TikToker
rage baited her audience by pretending to give her son
one hundred and fifty dollars for his first tooth. So,
if it was clear from the get go, Indy was
(04:28):
taking the role of the tooth fairy very seriously. Yeah,
I really like this As a new parent, this is
something that I can't wait to do create those magic moments.
And Indy said that while she has been Father Christmas
and also the Easter Bunny, she's ready for this new role.
And she definitely did put a lot of effort into it.
So she created a whimsical fairy character called Opal, and
(04:50):
she bought this cute little fairy jar which she filled
with blue glitter for the note and money to go in.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It was all very.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Wholesome, but her biggest concern was what she was going
to do with the tooth afterwards. So her fairy character
Opal was going to use it as a wheelbarrow for
her fairy house. But as for Indy, she had no
idea what to actually do with it, and Big Ed
had a suggestion of his own. He said, just throw
it in the bin. Now that I have a baby,
(05:17):
I'm like, I could never throw any of his teeth
in the bin, and it kind of makes me feel
bad for calling our mom out because on the podcast
before we've spoken about the fact that she was a
dental therapist for forty years and she was very strict
about what we could eat. We were never allowed to
drink orange juice soft drink. We only had soft drink
on the weekend, which now say things like we're rebelling
and having it every day. Anyway, when it came to
(05:39):
our teeth, I think she talked you and I into saying, oh,
we want to keep our teeth. So the tooth fairy
actually never took our teeth. She left them, but Amy
was like, no, I want the tooth fairy to take them.
We had this book growing up about how the tooth
fairy would take the teeth and build a castle out
of them, so I think Amy wanted to help the
tooth fairy with her castle. However, when we were old,
(06:00):
we discovered that Mum had kept all of our teeth,
including Amy's, in these like girkin jars in the back
of the pants. So I have to defend mum our
teeth because we chose to keep them, they were preserved
in nice little boxes, whereas because she had to hide
Amy's teeth, hers were the ones in a girkin jar
filled with water.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
But couldn't she have just hid Amy's in a box
somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think she was afraid that she would find them.
Imagine searching in the pantry looking for girkins of being like, ah, well,
kin's teeth is so little as well. I mean, Indy
almost lost the tooth during the filming of the videos.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Things. I suppose you don't want to be burying them
in the backyard, Like that's going to be a bit creepy.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So I'm so confused why would you bury them on?
Trying to work out what you do with them? I'm thinking,
like when your pet passes away, you bury them, and.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Like teeth kind of fucking odd.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm sorry, just throw on the bin. If you're going
to get rid of them like that, you bury them.
They probably think there's a murder that's gone on.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I'm just trying to work out, like what would you
actually do, Like what are you supposed to do with them?
Can parents send in and say what they've done with
their child's teeth? Because I'm very intrigued getting back to
this story. Though Indy really does have ticked down to
a fine art. She is fantastic at drawing an audience
in so she started the video by shocking her followers
with just how much Navy would apparently be receiving for
(07:10):
his first tooth. Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
One hundred and fifty dollars was a good amount, but
he's first two.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
At all in a moment. Oh so this was at
the start of her video, and I pretty much ran
to the comment section, and as expected, parents were losing
their mind. So one follower said how much is the
tooth fairy giving in capitals, which received over eight hundred likes.
Another said, I'll whip my teeth out and you can
be my tooth fairy for one hundred and fifty dollars.
(07:39):
What do you think the going rate for a child's
tooth should be? Well, not one hundred and fifty dollars.
Like growing up, we used to get one dollar for
our teeth. That was the going rate. I remember hearing
some kids got a note like a five dollars and
a ten and I was like, what the hell I mean?
I suppose thirty years on with inflation, maybe it should
be a five dollars zero.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I've got no idea really.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I saw in the comment section there was a teacher
who was suggesting that parents should make.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Sure that they tell their child that each child has.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
An individual tooth fairy, so that's why they are differing
amounts of teeth. I mean, you'd probably be like, why
have they got this cheap ass tooth fairy that's given me?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Fuck all?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yah. School makes it so difficult. And social media, I
mean it's the same at Christmas time and also Easter,
how people just go so over the top. At least
with Christmas there is the buffer of the six week
holiday break where kids have probably forgotten what they got.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
For Christmas by then.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Now, I do want to point out that Indie hasn't
totally lost her mind. She was, in fact rage baiting
her followers because in the video she pointed out that
she was just joking and added a five dollar note
to the jar. She also said in the comment section
that she convinced herself out of giving one hundred and
fifty dollars and decided to spend it on getting her
nails fixed instead. She did almost get sprung in the
(08:57):
act though, when she was performing her role of the
tooth fairy because because when she was creeping into Navy's
room to retrieve the tooth, somehow Netflix started blaring on
her phone on no So bad Batchela Power couple Laura
Byrne and Mattie J. Have welcomed baby number three, a
beautiful girl called Poppy Pearl Johnson. I feel like this
(09:20):
name was very on theme, particularly with their first daughter, Marley.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
May like the two m's. She's got the two piece.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Their middle daughter, Lola, though she didn't get an l
middle name, she is Lola Ellis. There's a lot of
el's in Ellis. It's clearly like very cute.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
See names now.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Days prior to the official announcement on Instagram, Mattie J.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Teased his followers that Laura was.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
In labor, so he uploaded a video of him performing
this jokey interpretive dance to apparently distract her from the contractions.
It was very Megan Markle of him to do so
because he filmed it whilst he was in the hospital room.
I mean a little bit different because Megan was in labor,
But I see where you're coming from with that Baby
Mama dance isn't the same song though, No. He also
(10:02):
shared a photo of the dreaded leather fold out hospital
chair that most fathers have to sleep in and wrote,
so old Fox.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
We meet again.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
But following those posts, it was pretty much radio silence,
and I noticed in the Life Uncut Facebook group there
were a lot of listeners who were growing increasingly impatient
and saying, oh my god, Laura feels like a friend.
I want to know what's going on. I hope she's okay.
I hope everything's okay. So on Saturday, Laura and Maddie
Jay finally broke the news, writing third time really is
(10:31):
a charm our. Sweet little Poppy girl is here and
we are truly and utterly obsessed with every interview Poppy
Pearl Johnson, Welcome to the world, precious one. The other
comment section, of course, blew up, and Laura's co host
Britt wrote, there she is utter perfection and Poppy is
key too. I found the announcement a little bit anti
climactic because Mattie Jay already dropped the baby name on
(10:54):
his podcast weeks ago. Well it wasn't actually even on
his own podcast, it was on the Stellar podcast Something
to talk About, which was even odder. Yeah, I mean,
Laura has spoken a lot about how with baby number three,
she hasn't really been reveling in how magical this experience
is because she's been so distracted with looking after her
two other kids and making sure all their work is done,
(11:15):
because she's worked right up until her labor. So maybe
it's just like a case of they got so used
to using the name that it's just slipped out, and
they're like, we've got to run with it. I mean,
I was in a similar situation with Jack's name in
terms of with family and friends.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I was just telling everyone his name.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But well, he said during this interview with Stella, We're
absolutely excited and cannot wait to meet this little girl.
Poppy and Laura only found out about the slip up
when a follower asked her during a Q and A
whether she punched matt in the ovaries for revealing the
baby name, and she responded saying he did fucking what.
And then later that night they filmed themselves in bed
(11:52):
while Laura questioned Mattie Jay about it, and initially he
kind of denied it in a joking way, but they
both ended up having a laugh and Laura suggested that
he obviously just.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Let it slip.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, she's got something else to be annoyed at Mattie about,
because on one of the most recent episodes of Life Uncut,
the one she filmed just before she gave birth, she
spoke about how this time around she was going to.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
A private hospital.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
However, it turns out that matt is the one that
takes care of all of the private health insurance, and
she kept asking him, Oh, can you send me this
form I need to submit it to the hospital, and
he kept kind of putting it off, and it turned
out that he had accidentally let their private health insurance
lapse back in February. They'd send him all these emails
saying you need to pay now or we're going to
cut you off. Well, because you need to have the
(12:35):
private health in place, I think for a year in
order to be able to use its benefits when you
were pregnant.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Also just cut off.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Because they weren't paying for it, so it's not even
like they were paying for a lower level of coverage,
like they.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Had just stopped paying completely.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And then britt Hockley's like, oh, maybe cut this out
if you don't want it going out there. But hang on,
weren't you guys ambassadors for Booper, So it turns out
that they were ambassadors. So I don't know whether through
this ambassad a deal they signed them up and then
it got to a point in February where they maybe
it wasn't contra anymore and that'd just start.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Paying for it or something.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I don't necessarily think that you get health insurance as
a contra. I feel like there would be some legalities
around it. I think they're probably just paid by Boopa
the b in the ad. Well, even if that's the case,
it's a bit awkward that they're promoting this private health
insurance that they don't actually have. Well, I am very
intrigued to hear how they're going. I hope that Laura
does return at some point when she's ready to do
an interview, because she said that she's expecting the worst
(13:28):
but hoping for the best. Now that is the wise
words of someone who has previously had two other children. Yeah,
what's interesting because she hasn't set a return date on
Life on Cut. She said that, you know, who knows,
she might be back in three weeks. She might be
raring to go. Well, Mattie j is replacing her on
the pickup, which was an interesting choice. I thought maybe
it would have been Keisha. Well, Keisha's feeling in for
(13:49):
her on Life on Cut. I mean, I suppose Mattie
Jay is pretty ambitious and he has been on radio
before so and he's got his own podcast. I thought
it was a bit odd though, because I thought he
might be at home with them, because there's three kids
at home back. Then again, they do have Mattie Jay's
mum living with them, so I'm sure there will be
a lot of support around. Almost a year on from
Liam Payne's tragic death, his girlfriend Kate Cassidy has generated
(14:12):
headlines for sharing a series of AI generated images of
the couple. In the photos, Liam is embracing Kate at
a recent event she attended. In a caption to her
nine hundred and fifty six thousand followers, Kate wrote, AI
is a blessing and a curse. She then shared a
video of a box filled with letters, postcards, and polaroids
from Liam and captioned it tomorrow is not guaranteed. I
(14:34):
think it's really important to point out that Kate Cassidy
did not actually create these AI images herself. They were
created by a fan. Now In response to the AI photos,
some one Direction fan said that they felt uneasy seeing
the photos, whilst others said that it's unhealthy for her
to share them, and the media were very quick to
jump on this story, so they reported that Kate was
(14:56):
paying tribute to Liam almost a year out from the
anniversary of his dea death. There was a lot of
noise around the fact that she had shared these photos.
I mean, I personally didn't think it was a big deal.
I followed Kate, I saw these photos pop up. I
thought that's a nice way for her to feel connected
to him.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I mean, it's all.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Stemming from the fact that Kate has been receiving a
lot of negative attention for the way she has chosen
to mourn her boyfriend, which I just don't understand, Like
everyone mourns things differently. She is coping the best that
she can. I personally really enjoy seeing her journey with
it because it is quite rare to see someone in
the public eye so openly talking about their journey with grief,
because often you just see the person at the funeral,
(15:34):
you then see them a couple of years later. They
seem to be handling things well. But she often speaks
on her Instagram about how she's dealing with it and
the way that she and the ways that she's coping
and keeping Liam's memory alive. She often posts these little
signs that she sees from Lim, and as someone who
is a big One Direction fan, I feel comforted in
seeing them.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
So she always.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Sees the number four four four, which she says is
an angel number, so it shows that Lim is her
guardian angel. She also often sees formations of clouds in
the sky that look like his signature tattoos. And it
was quite sweet because last month, for his thirty second birthday,
she commemorated it by baking a cake and writing happy birthday, Liam,
I know you still have the biggest sweet tooth in heaven.
(16:17):
The thing that is a bit uncomfortable is there are
a lot of One Direction fans who don't like her
because they blame her for Liam's death, because she did
leave Argentina a few days before he died, and I
keep saying why weren't you.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
There for him?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean talk about victim blaming the woman's had her
boyfriend die tragically. I mean she's only twenty five as well,
which blows my mind and The thing is a lot
of people are saying, oh, you're only speaking about Liam
to stay relevant. It's like, no, she's talking about him,
because if she pretended like her life just went on,
she'd also be accused of just using him. I mean,
this is the difficult thing. TikTok is a place where
(16:50):
people just spread hate anyway, So if she wasn't posting
about him and it had moved on and was getting
on with her life, she would be trolled for saying
how heartless she was and that she didn't really ever
care about Liam. And now because she does share about
how she's dealing with the grief, it's that she's a
clout chaser, so she couldn't really do anything other than
not post online. But her job is as an influencer.
(17:11):
She has to earn a living, she has to make money.
Liam Payne's son was given the inheritance. She hasn't got
any inheritance, and so it sounded like Liam was quite
close to popping the question to her as well. So,
I mean, it's very heartbreaking for her and it'd be very
difficult to move on now. She did hit back at
the negative comments surrounding the AI images she posted a
video to a one point seven million followers on TikTok.
(17:33):
Let's have a listen to some of what she said.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I've said it once before, and I'm going to say
it again. Please stop judging the way people grief. Over
the past few days, I've seen so many posts, so
many news articles, even kind of in a way, bashing
me for finding comfort and peace and seeing photos of
me and Liam created with AI. None of you have
ever been in my position, and hopefully you never will be,
so please please kindly stop telling me how to grieve
and how I should be finding comfort and what I
(17:58):
shouldn't be finding comfort. In grief is so different for everyone.
There's no right or wrong. Grief is not linear. So
this is the message for anybody out there who is
dealing and navigating through grief. I want you to know
that do whatever it teakes for you to get through
your d's just that little bit more peaceful.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Kate went on to say she appreciated the fans who
made the AI edits and that she hates seeing them
getting criticized too. She also said she understands that people
all over the world are still grieving her boyfriend's passing
and it's a testament to the huge impact he had
on the world. I think we forgot to remember that
grief doesn't necessarily look the same for everyone. This is
a twenty five year old woman who lost her boyfriend
(18:37):
in the most shocking and public circumstances. I just think
if this AI image brings her some comfort and peace, then.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
That's all that matters. Who are we to judge how.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
She's dealing with this, And she's not the only person
who's lost a partner that shares this type of content,
Like there is a niche for widows and people who
have lost partners to share how they're grieving and going
through the process, and then it creates this community where
they can connect with other people who have gone through
the same thing. I think my only worry about these
images is that perhaps they could be causing her more
(19:09):
pain because it is showing how her life could have
been because these are photos of her at recent events,
and she's probably thinking, Oh God, I just wish Lianne
was at this event with me. Yeah. There's been a
lot of discussions about how AI is being used and
can potentially be used in the future to keep people's
memories alive. I find it all a little bit creepy
(19:30):
to be honest, Like, I still remember on Neighbors when
Margot Robbie was playing Donna and she was married to Ringo.
Remember that, Oh yeah, and he died in a car
accident and she kept playing his voicemail back over and
over again and listening to it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I still feel sad thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
And it's just really or unsettling to think about how
far AI technology can go to keep people's memories. Well,
it would already be so tough for Kate Cassidy because
her boyfriend was in one of the most famous boy bands.
Her algorithm would be on TikTok, would be full of
content of him. There's in so muge of him. There's
so much vision of him around.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
Thank you so much for joining us for this episode
and for being a subscriber. If you have enjoyed it,
could you please make sure that you leave us a
five star review and let your friends know that they
should also become subscribers.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yes, thank you again.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the
Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
We pay respect to elders past and present,
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