Influencer, Isabelle Clarke has been accused of stealing a small business owner's slogan for her new brand, Sunflower Avenue. However, Isabelle says there's more to the story.
With a single click, Indy Clinton has accidentally removed 38,000 followers from her Instagram account.
Former MAFS contestant, Martha Kalifatidis has opened up about her recent breast explant surgery. The 36-year-old shared a lengthy video to TikTok explaining her decision to have them removed.
US influencer and self-confessed tennis WAG, Morgan Riddle, has created world-wide headlines after an alleged feud with world number 4 Alexander Zverev at Wimbledon.
And Channel Seven has come under fire after revealing it will add an astrology segment to its nightly news service.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton
loses thirty eight thousand followers with a single click. Martha
Califatitis opens up about her ex plant surgery, self proclaimed
tennis wag, Morgan Riddle's win for the Girls, and Channel
(00:27):
seven's controversial decision to add horoscopes to the bulletin. But first,
Sydney influencer Isabel Clark was getting set to launch her
new brand, Sunflower Avenue, when a small business owner from
Melbourne accused her of stealing her design. Now, Sophie, this
story has a few twists and tans. Let's start with
(00:49):
the accusations that have been held at Isabel Clark.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So these accusations have come from a small business owner
called Sarah who has been running an apparel brand called
Mindsetters for the past two years and she was inspired
to start the brand after she sadly lost her sister
to suicide. Now on TikTok, the brand describes the apparel
as comfy clothes for mental health. Now she sells a
(01:13):
range of jumpers and T shirts with positive slogans across
the front and back. Last week, Sarah decided to jump
on TikTok to accuse a large Australian influencer of stealing
her designs. She said she didn't intend on naming and
shaming the influencer, but pointed out they have a pretty
big following and are releasing an apparel line. Here's what
(01:34):
she said.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
They posted a sneak peek of the apparel that they're
going to release and it uses the same slogan that
we released in our first collection, and I feel like
the design is very similar and it's really upsetting. I've
been sitting on it for a while, trying not to
let it phase me, but it's really upsetting me now
(01:56):
because when you are a little fish in a big sea,
you do something amazing for your brand and release this
tea that you're really proud of, and then there's an
influencer out there with a big following that just basically
snatches your design from you and wants to make a
profit out of it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Sarah then shared a screenshot of the two designs side
by side and commented how similar they looked now. The
first screen shot was of Isabella's design, which was a
gray jumper with a large blue sunflower on the back
with the word Sunflower Avenue across it. There was also
a black jumper with the slogan no Rain, no Flowers,
(02:35):
which was written up the sleeve. In the next slide,
she showed her design, which was a white T shirt
with the same slogan no Rain, no Flowers written across it,
but it was in this seventy style writing and also
had blue and green flowers surrounding it. So to me,
the designs looked very different. It was just the slogan
that was the same. So much for Sarah not naming
(02:57):
and shaming, because a quick Google search will show you
that Sunflower Avenue is Isabelle Clark's brand. Yeah, it's pretty
obvious because Isabelle has been talking a lot on her
TikTok about how she's launching a new brand. She's also
put up YouTube videos recently, and she does have over
three one hundred thousand followers on TikTok. So these tiktoks
are popping up in people's for you pages, it's easy
(03:19):
to decipher who she's speaking about. Yeah, and it didn't
take long for people to connect the dots and realize
who Sarah was calling out, and this prompted isabel Clark
to address the accusations on her Instagram's story, so she
wanted to set the record straight. She wrote, hope you
know I'll never ever copy anyone's designs. My mistake for
letting this girl into the group. I tried to give
(03:40):
her a safe space through this group, and she's trying
to capitalize off fabricated drama. Now, this group that Isabella
is referring to is a private Instagram account that she
created a few years ago called Sunflower Babies, and it
is described as a private page where followers can talk
about mental health, anxiety, and also so health issues. Now
(04:01):
this private group has grown to seventeen thousand followers and
Isabelle has been doing these cute picnic meetups with girls
in the group. She says that these girls are now
her friend and she refers to them as her Sunflower Babies,
And subsequently, she has been sharing a lot in this
private group about her plans of starting her own apparel line,
and for a number of years, Isabelle has been openly
(04:23):
sharing the slogan no Rain, no Flowers as well as
all of the Sunflower motives.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
If you're a Sunflower Baby, which is my little private
account that I have on Instagram, you will know how
often I say it to myself. Without bad times or
hard times, there are no good times or you don't
appreciate the good times as much. So that's why Narenda
Flowers is so prevalent to me, and that's why it
(04:50):
is also our slogan or Sunflower Avenue.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now, as you touched on Amy, isabel is claiming that
Sarah was a member of that account and has copied
the slogan from her. I really feel for Isabelle because
she's publicly spoken about what a rough few years she's had.
She's spent a lot of time in hospital and also
time recovering at home from ovarian cysts, and also last
year she had a number of sales removed from her breast,
(05:17):
and this is why she's created this community because she
wants to talk about mental health. She also wants to
talk about young people who are facing health problems like
she was, and she created Sunflower Avenue because when she
was sick, she wanted to have leisure wear that made
her still feel good about herself while she was recovering.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Here's what she said, brand is reflective of my state
over the last two years when I wanted to feel
really cute and I didn't like the way that I looked,
or I was in pain and I was recovering, and
I wanted to create clothing that makes you feel good.
When you wear it, you feel put together.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Eg.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Matching sets, but you don't have to dress. You can
wear them in bed, you can wear them to go
fear little snack runs, or you can wear them recovering
from surgery like I did for two years now.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
This slogan at the center of the drama is very
close to Isabel Clark's heart. She has had it tattooed
on her wrist for a number of years and that's
one of the reasons why it was so important for
her to have it embroidered onto her apparel. Yeah, she
said that this tattoo was really her saving grace because
when she was in hospital going through these difficult times,
she would look at it and it would remind her
(06:32):
that something positive was coming now. Isabel also went on
to explain why it's taken her such a long time
to bring out her brand, and that is because sadly,
she has lost so many friends during that process, and
also her brand is a one woman show, so she's
been having to do all of the logistics herself. I
think we have this general misconception when we think about
(06:53):
influencer brands. We think of influencers who are in the
top echelon, who have these multimillion dollar businesses and they
have a lot of people working for them. But the
truth is that the influencer industry is so oversaturated that
quite often it's these smaller influences, mostly young women, who
were running these brands on their own, and they really
(07:13):
are small businesses in themselves. You're right, but they also
have a lot of advantages to other small business owners
who don't have a platform like the one they have.
They don't have these inbuilt audiences they can just automatically
see exactly. Having that inbuilt audience who you can already
market and sprint your product to is such an advantage now.
On Friday, Sarah jumped on her TikTok to provide an
(07:34):
update on the saga, and I think she was expecting
a different reaction, so a lot of the comments she
received were from followers or from the general public. He
basically said, we don't understand what you're on about. The
designs look completely different. So she said she ended up
having to turn comments off on her first video because
some of the commentary became quite hateful. I don't think
(07:56):
she anticipated so many people decide with Isabella. I think
she thought it was going to run with this script
that we quite often see that this influencer, this large,
powerful influencer, has copied a small business owner and everyone
is outraged. Yeah. I mean when I first saw this story,
I just instantly thought, well, has this slogan been trademarked?
Because it's a well known saying. It's not as if
(08:18):
Isabelle or Sarah have created it. And that's the thing.
This saying is all over Pinterest. It was quite interesting
reading the TikTok comments because a few people said, I've
had this saying tattooed on me for eight years, Like,
this is not a new saying, this is not something,
this is a catchphrase that is out in the public.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Well, Sarah confirmed that she hadn't had this particular catchphrase trademark,
but she did say that she had elements of some
of her designs trade. It was confusing because she didn't
specify what elements had been trademarked. It was quite confusing.
It did seem like it was too expensive for her
to trademark the slogan and other elements. I mean, it
is expensive to do that, And I think there's a
(08:56):
lot of confusion around trademarks at the moment because we
see so many copycat or dupe brands and sometimes you
look at them and you go, how was that even legal?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, the thing with slogans is they can be trademarked,
except they can be rejected if your slogan is too generic.
So in this case, as we said, this is a
catchphrase that is well known, so perhaps it got rejected
or either that she hasn't actually gone in trademark that.
I'm confused what all the fuss is about because this
(09:27):
person hasn't trade marked this slogan. It's clearly a slogan
that isabel Clark and a lot of other people have
used online. If I was Isabelle, I would be pulling
out all of the stops to ensure that this was
being trademarked this week. Look, I don't understand why this
has been made into such a big deal. It's not
as if this Melbourne small business owner had trade marked
(09:48):
this slogan, Isabel Clark hasn't done anything wrong. Yeah, I
don't think that she really has a leg to stand on,
particularly because the designs don't even look similar at all.
If anything, people have come out and said, Sarah, your
designs are a lot nicer, so I would opt to
choose yours. But that also opens up a different point
of conversation because some people are saying that this has
(10:09):
been a strategy of Sarah's all along, just to get
traction towards her brand, because we are seeing so many
TikTokers or small business owners doing this outrage posting so
they will slam someone or slam something and then suddenly
everyone's like, oh my god, what are they going on
about it? Jumping in the comb like everyone loves a
bit of outrage culture. It's a bit like those tiktoks
(10:30):
that are like, my mother has spent the last four
hours creating these terrible cups to sell on Etsy, and
no one's bore anything, and then suddenly people flood the
store to buy the design. It's like this sympathy act. Yeah, well,
I definitely think it is a strategy that a lot
of small business owners are doing. And probably as soon
as she saw that Isabel Clark had this slogan, she's like,
(10:51):
fuck it, this is going to be great for my brand.
What doesn't sit well with me is if Sarah is
a member of Isabel Clark's private group, it's pretty clear
maybe she's accidentally picked up the idea from Isabelle or
maybe I don't know. Like you know, sometimes when you
think you've had a brilliant idea and then you realize,
oh wait, I actually saw that online. And that's the thing.
In twenty twenty four, it is very difficult to have
(11:12):
a unique business onset or a design, and I think
that it is normal for ideas or designs to overlap,
and that is why you have to be so careful
and actually trademark your design. Well, we've learnt that the
hard way, haven't we. We initially didn't trademark the word
outspoken because it's so expensive to do. But if you
(11:32):
are listening, let me tell you it's more expensive to
fight one of those trademarks and to get a lawyer involved,
because we ended up spending way more money in securing
our name it would have if we just trademarked it
when we started. The thing that makes me sad is
that there's two brands which champion mental health, which are
coming up against each other. If anything, they should be
(11:53):
supporting one another. And I mean, they still have been
respectful in their approach. It's not like they've been abusing
one another and name calling. But I think by Sarah
putting this on TikTok and putting a large influencer on blast,
even if she hasn't named her, it's always going to
end badly in the comment section. I think this whole
issue could have been solved by a private DM or
(12:16):
an email. I actually respect Isabel Clark's decision though, to
come out and actually set the records straight, because from
a pr perspective, it's not a good look for her
to have these kind of TikTok circulating. Especially changed the
narrative completely because we generally see the narrative that this
poor small business owner has had their designs stolen from
(12:36):
them by this powerful influencer. And to be honest, when
I saw this story first pop up and I saw
Sarah's TikTok, I thought, oh fuck, what's this this? And
then when I looked into it. I thought. This isn't
as clear cut as it sounds. There is more to
this story.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I'm not saying good morning.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I'm so annoyed.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
With a single click, Indy Clinton accidentally removed thirty eight
thousand followers from her instaut This is the stuff of
influencer nightmares now. She explained that Instagram alerted her that
a number of her followers accounts had been flagged, so
it gave her the option to remove all flagged accounts,
(13:14):
and she didn't realize how many accounts had been flagged,
so she just went ahead and pressed remove all, which
instantly wiped thirty eight thousand followers from her account. I
didn't know about this feature until now. Yeah, I went
and checked my account to see if I had any
flagged accounts. So you have to have over one thousand
followers for this option to be available, and it basically
lets you know if you have potential spam accounts or
(13:36):
bots that follow you. So if you click on your
follower list, there will be a little exclamation mark and
it will say flagged for review. So it will then
list accounts that they suspect to be bots. But if
you're like Indy and have hundreds of thousands of followers.
Obviously you're not going to be able to see how
long this list is. And the reason Indy would have
been looking into this is because these kind of bot
(13:58):
accounts can affect you your overall engagement, I mean, and
that's particularly important for influencers because if you've got a
brand deal and you've got all of these bots, it
can potentially impact how many people it reaches, the engagement
on that post, and it can also stop new followers
from discovering you. So Instagram's general advice is you should
remove all of these accounts, so they give you the
(14:20):
option of either individually going through them all or doing
a click remove all, which Indi opted for. India doesn't
seem to be the only influencer who's been stung by this, though,
because on threads there are dozens of creators who have
spoken about losing thousands of followers after they also remove
flagged accounts. So one creator wrote, I alto removed two
(14:41):
hundred spam accounts and the next day I had forty
five thousand less followers. Not doing it again, whilst another
said I went through and selected three to boo removed,
I lost five hundred followers. This feature is a really
big problem. I think Indy has come out quickly and
addressed this because she would not want people thinking that
she's lost thirty eight thousand followers over the whole dog
(15:03):
re homing saga that we spoke about last week. I
went and looked at her Social Blade because I wanted
to see if the thirty eight thousand was reflected on there.
Because Social Blade is a great tool where you can
see how many followers influencers are gaining a day, or
what their engagement rate is like. And Indy has still
been gaining followers every day apart from the day where
(15:23):
her follower account went down by thirty eight thousand. It
does appear that this new feature just has a major
glitch because a lot of creators are complaining that the
flag list mostly contains real people, whereas genuine body accounts
are being ignored.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Sometimes my outfits are inspired by asking myself the question
what will piss mail fouans off the most?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Today?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Last night wimbled and crowned a new male champion, But
all anyone can talk about is US influencer Morgan Riddle
and her alleged feud with World Number four Alexander Sparev.
Now this is a juicy one, Amy, can you give
us a break? Done? First, on who Morgan is. Yeah, so,
Morgan is huge on TikTok. She's got over five hundred
(16:06):
thousand followers and her boyfriend is world number twelve Taylor Fritz,
and Morgan shares a lot of her life on the
tennis tour online. Also shares a lot about her fashion
on Instagram, so she is known for wearing a lot
of tennis core. She's recently been in British Vogue because
her outfits are that iconic.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, it surprised me to read that. Apparently she and
Taylor met on RAYA. Oh, I was wondering how they met. Yeah,
and they have been dubbed the new posh and becks
of the sporting world. They also made headlines for appearing
on the new Netflix series break Points, so they were
a big feature on that. Now, last week, Morgan's boyfriend
Taylor Fritz, made it to the quarter finals of Wimbledon
(16:48):
and he was up against world number four Alexander Zverev. Now,
during the center court match, Morgan shared an Instagram story
of Taylor alongside the caption cheer loud late. This seems
quite innocuous, but it's not so innocuous when you know
Zverev's backstory. So, just last month, the world number four
(17:09):
settled a domestic abuse case out of court with his
former partner, and prosecutors alleged he pushed his former partner
against a wall and choked her during an argument. Now
Zverev denied the allegations. However, he agreed to pay fines
of around one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars to
the state and around fifty four thousand dollars to charity.
(17:30):
Now Morgan's boyfriend ended up coming from two sets to
love doown to win the quarter final match, and when
it came time to shake hands, Zveres gave Fritz a
lengthy ear bashing, which led to many post match questions.
Now Zverev told the assembled media that his issue wasn't
with Fritz or his two coaches. It was with Fritz's
(17:52):
support group aka Morgan. He said, they are not maybe
from the tennis world, They are not maybe used to
watching every single match. They were a bit over the top.
Now Zverev didn't actually mention Morgan's Instagram post of the
press Instead, it appears he's trying to claim that he
was offended by Morgan's cheering in the crowd. So Zverev
(18:14):
came out later and said that he had injured his
knee during the game and he thought it was a
bit off how everyone was cheering so much for Fritz
when it was clear that the outcome of the match
had a lot to do with his injured knee and
not actually the fact that he was playing badly. Now,
Morgan has become almost a feminist icon in this moment,
because following the press conference, she appeared to stoke the
(18:35):
fire by sharing another Instagram story, this time of her
holding a drink with the caption when your man wins
for the girls. I don't think I could love her
anymore because I became obsessed with Morgan during the Australian
Open and I've been following her ever since, and she
is just such a legend. It's quite funny because she
in Vogue, she recently spoke about how she doesn't mind
(18:57):
the term wag. She's almost reclaimed away. She's also known
as the Barbie Doll of the tour, and she just
sort of says owns it and says, I don't mind
being called tho. Well, yeah, that's what I feel like
I am. There was a recent TikTok she did was
she said she was wearing a Barbiecore inspired outfit just
to piss the tennis fans off, like the male tennis fans,
(19:17):
and it did piss them off. In fact, now a
lot of people were like you, Sophie, they were celebrating
Morgan's posts. However, Morgan has since come out and blamed
the media for overblowing her social media posts. So she said,
regarding my stories yesterday, I took them down as soon
as I realized the misunderstanding and how blown out of
proportion they had become by the media. They were not
(19:39):
about anything that's happened off the tennis court, and there's
no bad blood between anyone. Super proud of Tea for
the match yesterday, thank you to the crowd for the support,
and looking forward to tomorrow. What do you think about
the backflip? I love a bit of wind Wooden drama.
I do think she's been forced to come out and
water down these comments by her boyfriend's team because these
(19:59):
comments were directed at Swerev. But it's not a good
look when you're on the tour as a player to
have your girlfriend causing beef in the media. And I
think the fact that Taylor Fritz was then going on
to play in the semifinals, they didn't want this story
to continue and they didn't want it to overshadow this
semi finals appearance. I mean, he lost in the semifinal match.
(20:19):
If he had won, he would have gone on to
play against Novak Djokovic in the final. It would have
been absolutely huge for his career. I want to if
have caused any tension between Morgan and Taylor as well.
I also think that maybe there was a legal threat
from Zverev's team. I don't think so. I think that
tennis is such a gentleman's sport and I think it's
(20:41):
not a good look if you're on the tour to
be making enemies of other players. And I mean Zverev
pointed out, He's like, I don't have a problem with
Taylor Fritz, but he pointed out his issue was clearly
with Morgan. Do you think it also comes down to
the tennis players not lacking the fact that a player's
wife or girlfriend is taking attention away from them, and
attention away from the sport. Well possibly, I mean he
(21:03):
might actually be concerned about the power that she holds
within the social media world. I mean, he's well number four,
he should be better known than her. But the reality
is that there probably were more people queuing up to
get a photo with Morgan Riddle than him.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Mars and Pluto clash in the sky today in Taurus
and Aquarius, and this is I'm not gonna lie a
tough transit, which is why I've been advising many of
you in your weekly horoscopes to try and avoid potential
blowups and not get caught in the fray.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Channel seven has come under fire after revealing it will
add an astrology segment to its nightly news service. Celebrity
astrologer Natasha Weber, better known as Astrotash, will front the
twenty second report, which will air after the web. This
is an utterly bizarre decision, and I want to point
out it comes off the back of mass job cuts
(21:57):
at Channel seven, and that is due to the failed
Meta deal, which we spoke about in an episode a
couple of weeks ago. There are reports the seven staff
members are not happy about this move because it really
does call into question the credibility of their news service
and it makes them look like a laughing stock. Yeah,
and I'm not surprised by the reaction from staff because
(22:18):
when you look at the feedback that's currently out there,
it's not good. So three aw's Tom Elliott described the
segment as a load of rubbish and said astrology in
the news, it's not science, it's not fact, while journalist
Tracy Spice has said that she assumed it was a joke,
and public health professor Simon Chapman suggested perhaps seven could
(22:39):
run a leprocorn citing segment. Next, My favorite response was
from recently sacked Brisbane news reader Sharon Goodella. So she
took a swipe at the news segment and that was
when she was addressing her recent exit. So she was
fired after seventeen years at the network, and she wrote
on Facebook it it wasn't quite how I expected to
(23:01):
end at Channel seven. Here's hoping my horoscope for tomorrow
will be for brighter times ahead. What a bird? Do
you think there is place for horoscopes and news bulletins? No,
I think this is a complete joke. And when I
read it, I thought that this must be a rumor
because it just seems absolutely absurd. Horoscopes are not based
(23:24):
on scientific fact. It confuses things, so people are going
to be saying, well, is this news credible? Is this fact? Yeah?
It really cheapens the brand and I think it's clear
that it's a desperate attempt from seven to attract a
younger audience. So it's new head of News and Current
Affairs told media outlets the network is exploring new ideas
and concepts to bring in new audiences so that we
(23:47):
can showcase them this journalism. I'm sorry, but this is
not the way to get people watching every the news.
Everyone's going to be switching over to the ABC because
I mean, I get that this is a commercial net
work and at the end of the day, they have
to sell advertising, they have to get eyeballs. But I
don't think that this is the way to do it.
I think this is going to upset a lot of
(24:07):
their loyal viewers. Or what's more disturbing is the new
head of News and Current Affairs has also claimed that
they're just getting started. I mean, I'm a bit concerned
what is next, because there are reports from The Australian
that seven is set to launch a weekly comedy skit
hosted by comedian Mark Humphreys, and apparently this is going
to run for three minutes on Fridays. What the hell
(24:30):
is this? Because they are getting rid of all of
their journalists that they don't have enough people to cover story,
so they're thinking, fuck, we need to fit something into
this new hour bulletin. No. I think probably what it
is is they've had a brainstorming meeting and it's involved
ten men all over fifty, and they've thought, how can
we get a younger audience comedy videos that's funny? I
mean next they're going to probably suggest doing some lame
(24:52):
top viral videos of the day. Is this because they've
been instructed to think about TikTok and not rating, so
they thinking that this clip of their horoscopes is going
to perform really well on TikTok. Their comedy skits are
going to perform really well on TikTok. It's going to
get more people following. I actually think that might be
why they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I think they're just trying to get millennial and gen
Z viewers and they think that oh, this is the
kind of shit that they're interested in. But everyone is
tuning into free to air TV, so they are expecting
millennials and Gen zetters to see this on TikTok. I
don't understand why don't they get a focus group of
millennials and Gen zetas together and actually ask them what
they care about, because I actually think this group of
(25:32):
people they want to know what's happening. They're very socially conscious,
and I think what the issue has been is that
in the past, and I know this from experience having
worked there, there was a big focus on crime stories
because they rated, and I think the view was that
if people are living in fear, they're going to tune
into the nightly news. However, in twenty twenty four, people
(25:54):
are sick of seeing negative stories, and I don't think
the answer is bringing in lame news segment. I think
that they want to bring more light and shade to
the news service, So maybe bring in some more upbeat
stories that people aren't so depressed to watch. While they're
starting to do that, I know on Channel seven in
Adelaide before the weather called the Little Ray of Sunshine,
and that focuses on positive news. It's a really big
(26:17):
one for our clients because sometimes it's the only way
you can get a really positive story out there about
a lifestyle brand. And maybe they've had a really great
reaction to that segment and are thinking, what are more
ways that we can implement positive or fun news into
the bulletin. Yeah, but I think what's going to happen
is by implementing the suggested segment, it's actually going to
cut off a lot of their viewers, like their older
(26:39):
viewers who aren't They don't care about that shit that
all the older viewers are dying out. They're saying, fuck you,
I don't. Yeah, but these guys want anymore. The issue
is I don't think they're actually going to attract any
new younger viewers either with this content.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
The more I think about this, maybe it is a
stroke of genius from Channel seven because this content is
going to perform very well on TikTok. There are going
to be a lot of send ons because we know
that young people obsessed with horoscopes, They're going to be
tagging their friends. Also, this comedy segment has the potential
of being very cringe and very good for viral views
on TikTok. Well, the interesting thing about Astrotash is she
(27:12):
already appears on seven's The Morning Show and has her
own horoscope segment, so kind of seems like they're just
trying to recycle that. I wonder if it has a
bit to do with her appearance. She's a very attractive woman.
I also think it would come down to that segment
being quite a popular one for them, so they want
to trial it in the six pm edition. I am
foreseeing not the greatest times ahead for Channel seven. If
(27:34):
I'm looking at my horoscope. I don't have any actual
experience or knowledge in this, but bad time seemed to
be ahead for the Mars is in retrograde. Maybe my breast.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Implants removed yesterday at Saint Vincent's private hospital.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Former Married at First Sight contestant Martha Califatitis has opened
up about her recent breast explant surgery. The thirty six
years or old shared a lengthy video to TikTok explaining
her decision to have them removed.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I must have wanted to have my implants removed for
like a few years now. I just probably around three
years ago, just before I got pregnant, I had this
feeling that I just wanted them out. I've had them
for about fifteen years, and I've never ever been able
to like feel them. They've always just felt so natural.
(28:26):
But around three years ago I started to.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Like feel them for some reason. They just I was
just aware of them.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I just became so aware of them, like inside me.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Martha couldn't initially go ahead with that surgery because she
unexpectedly fell pregnant with her and Michael's first son, Lucius
in twenty twenty two, But now that he's a year
and a half and Martha has stopped breastfeeding, she thought
this year might be the right time to do it.
Her only hesitation was that she was worried it might
(28:57):
interfere with her plans to have another baby, and she
wanted to know how quickly she could safely full pregnant
following the procedure. Her surgeon did put her at ease,
saying she can try and conceive two months after surgery.
He did warn her, though, that with pregnancy, her breasts
will change. Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
They're gonna like stretch out and then they could start
to like sag again.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But honestly, this stage.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
In my life, I really don't give a fuck about
having the perkiest.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Boobs in town.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm thirty six,
I don't care. That is a really good attitude for
Martha to have. I have really been enjoying her TikTok
content recently, so she's been sharing content about her living
back at home with her parents. So her and Michael
moved in around two years ago, and that was because
they had a few issues with their house. It's also
(29:45):
because Martha had HG during her pregnancy, so she was
bedbound for most of her pregnancy. It was a really
tough one, so she needed to be surrounded by her family,
and a lot of her content features her mum Mary,
and she is hilarious, and recently she's been reminding Martha
that maybe they should move out of the house because
she's been having to do all the cooking, all of
(30:06):
the cleaning. I think they're worried about their TikTok content
if they do move away from Mary though, because even
with Michael, he is constantly doing brand deals around having
this mother in law who's always around, and a lot
of his comedic video center on her as well. Martha
recently told him Mum, She's like, I have no plans
of moving out, Like I've got it too good in
this way? Would she looks great? You've got babysitters all
(30:29):
the time, You've got home cooked meals. Now back to
Martha's ex plant. So she created a TikTok video following
her surgery, and she said she was surprised at how
good she was feeling. She could lift her hands above
her head and she was in no pain. She also
gave her followers a close up look of her new shape,
so she removed her pajama top to show her compression.
(30:51):
Bra Here's what she said, I feel really flat shame.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So you kind of really tell because I've got these
two and this is a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Of swallowing up here.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But if you look at me.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
On the side, you can tell that I definitely have
a lot smaller us.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Also, how long it's made my torso.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Look so long.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Her fiance Michael, wasn't thrilled about this surgery. He created
a comedic video for TikTok and he showed Martha in
her surgical gown about to be wheeled in, and he
wrote saying goodbye to my two best friends today, and
in the background, the Titanics My Heart Will Go On
was playing. That would piss me off if I saw that,
I just I know it's a joke, but I don't know, Well,
(31:41):
he was me, you don't know how much of it
is a joke. Yeah, it's it kind of to me
is in poor taste. A lot of people did find
it quite funny. It created a lot of engagement. There
were also a lot of questions around whether this surgery
was sponsored. Martha confirmed that she wasn't affiliated with the surgeon,
and she paid fifteen thousand dollars for the procedure. Fifteen thousand.
(32:03):
I think a lot of people when they go in
to have their breast done, they don't consider the additional
cost because every ten years or fifteen years, you're meant
to go and get them replaced. And I didn't even
realize that if you wanted them removed, it would cost
an additional fifteen thousand dollars. I think it was particularly
expensive because she went with a breast specialist instead of
a cosmetic surgeon, and it was someone who had done
(32:26):
all of her friend's breast implants back in the day,
which made me laugh because it kind of sounds like
in your twenties, you're getting the put in in your
mid thirties, you're getting them removed. Well, it's becoming such
a popular surgery. Especially in twenty twenty four, we've seen
a huge increase in women having their implants removed, and
a lot of it's to do with some women who've
had breast implants that have ruptured. In the case of Martha,
(32:49):
hers didn't rupture, but she said she just felt suddenly uncomfortable.
A lot of women are also getting them removed because
they're experiencing very debilitating symptoms which are related to breast
implant illness. So some of the symptoms can include chronic
debilitating anxiety, suicidal thoughts, brain fog, joint pain, fatigue, rashes,
and hair loss. Now, there is also a condition known
(33:12):
as SSBI, so that is symptomatic symptoms associated with breast implants,
but that is not medically recognized yet. But currently Australia
is conducting its first study into breast implant illness and
the early finding show that seventy to eighty percent of
symptoms lesson all disappear entirely after implants are removed. Wow,
(33:35):
I think we're just going to see more and more
people getting their breast implants removed, especially if you look
at the celebrity well, because Tory Spelling, Black, China, and
Chrissy Teagan all had their implants removed, we're obviously seeing
influencers like Martha talking about her experience. And I think
it's also because women are becoming more aware of the
risks associated with breast implants and they're able to share
(33:56):
their real life experiences online. I mean, looking at martha
comment section, it was full of women saying that they're
also getting the implants removed and talking about all of
the really severe symptoms that they've experienced since having them
in I think it is so fantastic to see Martha
using her platform to urge women to think carefully before
getting surgery, because she finished her video by saying she
(34:18):
wishes she never went under the knife, and she heavily
regrets it, and she wants young women to think very
very carefully about it. Now. I think that is all
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This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the
(35:02):
Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to
elders past and present,
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, Indy Clinton
loses thirty eight thousand followers with a single click. Martha
Califatitis opens up about her ex plant surgery, self proclaimed
tennis wag, Morgan Riddle's win for the Girls, and Channel
(00:27):
seven's controversial decision to add horoscopes to the bulletin. But first,
Sydney influencer Isabel Clark was getting set to launch her
new brand, Sunflower Avenue, when a small business owner from
Melbourne accused her of stealing her design. Now, Sophie, this
story has a few twists and tans. Let's start with
(00:49):
the accusations that have been held at Isabel Clark.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So these accusations have come from a small business owner
called Sarah who has been running an apparel brand called
Mindsetters for the past two years and she was inspired
to start the brand after she sadly lost her sister
to suicide. Now on TikTok, the brand describes the apparel
as comfy clothes for mental health. Now she sells a
(01:13):
range of jumpers and T shirts with positive slogans across
the front and back. Last week, Sarah decided to jump
on TikTok to accuse a large Australian influencer of stealing
her designs. She said she didn't intend on naming and
shaming the influencer, but pointed out they have a pretty
big following and are releasing an apparel line. Here's what
(01:34):
she said.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
They posted a sneak peek of the apparel that they're
going to release and it uses the same slogan that
we released in our first collection, and I feel like
the design is very similar and it's really upsetting. I've
been sitting on it for a while, trying not to
let it phase me, but it's really upsetting me now
(01:56):
because when you are a little fish in a big sea,
you do something amazing for your brand and release this
tea that you're really proud of, and then there's an
influencer out there with a big following that just basically
snatches your design from you and wants to make a
profit out of it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Sarah then shared a screenshot of the two designs side
by side and commented how similar they looked now. The
first screen shot was of Isabella's design, which was a
gray jumper with a large blue sunflower on the back
with the word Sunflower Avenue across it. There was also
a black jumper with the slogan no Rain, no Flowers,
(02:35):
which was written up the sleeve. In the next slide,
she showed her design, which was a white T shirt
with the same slogan no Rain, no Flowers written across it,
but it was in this seventy style writing and also
had blue and green flowers surrounding it. So to me,
the designs looked very different. It was just the slogan
that was the same. So much for Sarah not naming
(02:57):
and shaming, because a quick Google search will show you
that Sunflower Avenue is Isabelle Clark's brand. Yeah, it's pretty
obvious because Isabelle has been talking a lot on her
TikTok about how she's launching a new brand. She's also
put up YouTube videos recently, and she does have over
three one hundred thousand followers on TikTok. So these tiktoks
are popping up in people's for you pages, it's easy
(03:19):
to decipher who she's speaking about. Yeah, and it didn't
take long for people to connect the dots and realize
who Sarah was calling out, and this prompted isabel Clark
to address the accusations on her Instagram's story, so she
wanted to set the record straight. She wrote, hope you
know I'll never ever copy anyone's designs. My mistake for
letting this girl into the group. I tried to give
(03:40):
her a safe space through this group, and she's trying
to capitalize off fabricated drama. Now, this group that Isabella
is referring to is a private Instagram account that she
created a few years ago called Sunflower Babies, and it
is described as a private page where followers can talk
about mental health, anxiety, and also so health issues. Now
(04:01):
this private group has grown to seventeen thousand followers and
Isabelle has been doing these cute picnic meetups with girls
in the group. She says that these girls are now
her friend and she refers to them as her Sunflower Babies,
And subsequently, she has been sharing a lot in this
private group about her plans of starting her own apparel line,
and for a number of years, Isabelle has been openly
(04:23):
sharing the slogan no Rain, no Flowers as well as
all of the Sunflower motives.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
If you're a Sunflower Baby, which is my little private
account that I have on Instagram, you will know how
often I say it to myself. Without bad times or
hard times, there are no good times or you don't
appreciate the good times as much. So that's why Narenda
Flowers is so prevalent to me, and that's why it
(04:50):
is also our slogan or Sunflower Avenue.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now, as you touched on Amy, isabel is claiming that
Sarah was a member of that account and has copied
the slogan from her. I really feel for Isabelle because
she's publicly spoken about what a rough few years she's had.
She's spent a lot of time in hospital and also
time recovering at home from ovarian cysts, and also last
year she had a number of sales removed from her breast,
(05:17):
and this is why she's created this community because she
wants to talk about mental health. She also wants to
talk about young people who are facing health problems like
she was, and she created Sunflower Avenue because when she
was sick, she wanted to have leisure wear that made
her still feel good about herself while she was recovering.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Here's what she said, brand is reflective of my state
over the last two years when I wanted to feel
really cute and I didn't like the way that I looked,
or I was in pain and I was recovering, and
I wanted to create clothing that makes you feel good.
When you wear it, you feel put together.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Eg.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Matching sets, but you don't have to dress. You can
wear them in bed, you can wear them to go
fear little snack runs, or you can wear them recovering
from surgery like I did for two years now.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
This slogan at the center of the drama is very
close to Isabel Clark's heart. She has had it tattooed
on her wrist for a number of years and that's
one of the reasons why it was so important for
her to have it embroidered onto her apparel. Yeah, she
said that this tattoo was really her saving grace because
when she was in hospital going through these difficult times,
she would look at it and it would remind her
(06:32):
that something positive was coming now. Isabel also went on
to explain why it's taken her such a long time
to bring out her brand, and that is because sadly,
she has lost so many friends during that process, and
also her brand is a one woman show, so she's
been having to do all of the logistics herself. I
think we have this general misconception when we think about
(06:53):
influencer brands. We think of influencers who are in the
top echelon, who have these multimillion dollar businesses and they
have a lot of people working for them. But the
truth is that the influencer industry is so oversaturated that
quite often it's these smaller influences, mostly young women, who
were running these brands on their own, and they really
(07:13):
are small businesses in themselves. You're right, but they also
have a lot of advantages to other small business owners
who don't have a platform like the one they have.
They don't have these inbuilt audiences they can just automatically
see exactly. Having that inbuilt audience who you can already
market and sprint your product to is such an advantage now.
On Friday, Sarah jumped on her TikTok to provide an
(07:34):
update on the saga, and I think she was expecting
a different reaction, so a lot of the comments she
received were from followers or from the general public. He
basically said, we don't understand what you're on about. The
designs look completely different. So she said she ended up
having to turn comments off on her first video because
some of the commentary became quite hateful. I don't think
(07:56):
she anticipated so many people decide with Isabella. I think
she thought it was going to run with this script
that we quite often see that this influencer, this large,
powerful influencer, has copied a small business owner and everyone
is outraged. Yeah. I mean when I first saw this story,
I just instantly thought, well, has this slogan been trademarked?
Because it's a well known saying. It's not as if
(08:18):
Isabelle or Sarah have created it. And that's the thing.
This saying is all over Pinterest. It was quite interesting
reading the TikTok comments because a few people said, I've
had this saying tattooed on me for eight years, Like,
this is not a new saying, this is not something,
this is a catchphrase that is out in the public.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Well, Sarah confirmed that she hadn't had this particular catchphrase trademark,
but she did say that she had elements of some
of her designs trade. It was confusing because she didn't
specify what elements had been trademarked. It was quite confusing.
It did seem like it was too expensive for her
to trademark the slogan and other elements. I mean, it
is expensive to do that, And I think there's a
(08:56):
lot of confusion around trademarks at the moment because we
see so many copycat or dupe brands and sometimes you
look at them and you go, how was that even legal?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, the thing with slogans is they can be trademarked,
except they can be rejected if your slogan is too generic.
So in this case, as we said, this is a
catchphrase that is well known, so perhaps it got rejected
or either that she hasn't actually gone in trademark that.
I'm confused what all the fuss is about because this
(09:27):
person hasn't trade marked this slogan. It's clearly a slogan
that isabel Clark and a lot of other people have
used online. If I was Isabelle, I would be pulling
out all of the stops to ensure that this was
being trademarked this week. Look, I don't understand why this
has been made into such a big deal. It's not
as if this Melbourne small business owner had trade marked
(09:48):
this slogan, Isabel Clark hasn't done anything wrong. Yeah, I
don't think that she really has a leg to stand on,
particularly because the designs don't even look similar at all.
If anything, people have come out and said, Sarah, your
designs are a lot nicer, so I would opt to
choose yours. But that also opens up a different point
of conversation because some people are saying that this has
(10:09):
been a strategy of Sarah's all along, just to get
traction towards her brand, because we are seeing so many
TikTokers or small business owners doing this outrage posting so
they will slam someone or slam something and then suddenly
everyone's like, oh my god, what are they going on
about it? Jumping in the comb like everyone loves a
bit of outrage culture. It's a bit like those tiktoks
(10:30):
that are like, my mother has spent the last four
hours creating these terrible cups to sell on Etsy, and
no one's bore anything, and then suddenly people flood the
store to buy the design. It's like this sympathy act. Yeah, well,
I definitely think it is a strategy that a lot
of small business owners are doing. And probably as soon
as she saw that Isabel Clark had this slogan, she's like,
(10:51):
fuck it, this is going to be great for my brand.
What doesn't sit well with me is if Sarah is
a member of Isabel Clark's private group, it's pretty clear
maybe she's accidentally picked up the idea from Isabelle or
maybe I don't know. Like you know, sometimes when you
think you've had a brilliant idea and then you realize,
oh wait, I actually saw that online. And that's the thing.
In twenty twenty four, it is very difficult to have
(11:12):
a unique business onset or a design, and I think
that it is normal for ideas or designs to overlap,
and that is why you have to be so careful
and actually trademark your design. Well, we've learnt that the
hard way, haven't we. We initially didn't trademark the word
outspoken because it's so expensive to do. But if you
(11:32):
are listening, let me tell you it's more expensive to
fight one of those trademarks and to get a lawyer involved,
because we ended up spending way more money in securing
our name it would have if we just trademarked it
when we started. The thing that makes me sad is
that there's two brands which champion mental health, which are
coming up against each other. If anything, they should be
(11:53):
supporting one another. And I mean, they still have been
respectful in their approach. It's not like they've been abusing
one another and name calling. But I think by Sarah
putting this on TikTok and putting a large influencer on blast,
even if she hasn't named her, it's always going to
end badly in the comment section. I think this whole
issue could have been solved by a private DM or
(12:16):
an email. I actually respect Isabel Clark's decision though, to
come out and actually set the records straight, because from
a pr perspective, it's not a good look for her
to have these kind of TikTok circulating. Especially changed the
narrative completely because we generally see the narrative that this
poor small business owner has had their designs stolen from
(12:36):
them by this powerful influencer. And to be honest, when
I saw this story first pop up and I saw
Sarah's TikTok, I thought, oh fuck, what's this this? And
then when I looked into it. I thought. This isn't
as clear cut as it sounds. There is more to
this story.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I'm not saying good morning.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I'm so annoyed.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
With a single click, Indy Clinton accidentally removed thirty eight
thousand followers from her instaut This is the stuff of
influencer nightmares now. She explained that Instagram alerted her that
a number of her followers accounts had been flagged, so
it gave her the option to remove all flagged accounts,
(13:14):
and she didn't realize how many accounts had been flagged,
so she just went ahead and pressed remove all, which
instantly wiped thirty eight thousand followers from her account. I
didn't know about this feature until now. Yeah, I went
and checked my account to see if I had any
flagged accounts. So you have to have over one thousand
followers for this option to be available, and it basically
lets you know if you have potential spam accounts or
(13:36):
bots that follow you. So if you click on your
follower list, there will be a little exclamation mark and
it will say flagged for review. So it will then
list accounts that they suspect to be bots. But if
you're like Indy and have hundreds of thousands of followers.
Obviously you're not going to be able to see how
long this list is. And the reason Indy would have
been looking into this is because these kind of bot
(13:58):
accounts can affect you your overall engagement, I mean, and
that's particularly important for influencers because if you've got a
brand deal and you've got all of these bots, it
can potentially impact how many people it reaches, the engagement
on that post, and it can also stop new followers
from discovering you. So Instagram's general advice is you should
remove all of these accounts, so they give you the
(14:20):
option of either individually going through them all or doing
a click remove all, which Indi opted for. India doesn't
seem to be the only influencer who's been stung by this, though,
because on threads there are dozens of creators who have
spoken about losing thousands of followers after they also remove
flagged accounts. So one creator wrote, I alto removed two
(14:41):
hundred spam accounts and the next day I had forty
five thousand less followers. Not doing it again, whilst another
said I went through and selected three to boo removed,
I lost five hundred followers. This feature is a really
big problem. I think Indy has come out quickly and
addressed this because she would not want people thinking that
she's lost thirty eight thousand followers over the whole dog
(15:03):
re homing saga that we spoke about last week. I
went and looked at her Social Blade because I wanted
to see if the thirty eight thousand was reflected on there.
Because Social Blade is a great tool where you can
see how many followers influencers are gaining a day, or
what their engagement rate is like. And Indy has still
been gaining followers every day apart from the day where
(15:23):
her follower account went down by thirty eight thousand. It
does appear that this new feature just has a major
glitch because a lot of creators are complaining that the
flag list mostly contains real people, whereas genuine body accounts
are being ignored.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Sometimes my outfits are inspired by asking myself the question
what will piss mail fouans off the most?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Today?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Last night wimbled and crowned a new male champion, But
all anyone can talk about is US influencer Morgan Riddle
and her alleged feud with World Number four Alexander Sparev.
Now this is a juicy one, Amy, can you give
us a break? Done? First, on who Morgan is. Yeah, so,
Morgan is huge on TikTok. She's got over five hundred
(16:06):
thousand followers and her boyfriend is world number twelve Taylor Fritz,
and Morgan shares a lot of her life on the
tennis tour online. Also shares a lot about her fashion
on Instagram, so she is known for wearing a lot
of tennis core. She's recently been in British Vogue because
her outfits are that iconic.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well, it surprised me to read that. Apparently she and
Taylor met on RAYA. Oh, I was wondering how they met. Yeah,
and they have been dubbed the new posh and becks
of the sporting world. They also made headlines for appearing
on the new Netflix series break Points, so they were
a big feature on that. Now, last week, Morgan's boyfriend
Taylor Fritz, made it to the quarter finals of Wimbledon
(16:48):
and he was up against world number four Alexander Zverev. Now,
during the center court match, Morgan shared an Instagram story
of Taylor alongside the caption cheer loud late. This seems
quite innocuous, but it's not so innocuous when you know
Zverev's backstory. So, just last month, the world number four
(17:09):
settled a domestic abuse case out of court with his
former partner, and prosecutors alleged he pushed his former partner
against a wall and choked her during an argument. Now
Zverev denied the allegations. However, he agreed to pay fines
of around one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars to
the state and around fifty four thousand dollars to charity.
(17:30):
Now Morgan's boyfriend ended up coming from two sets to
love doown to win the quarter final match, and when
it came time to shake hands, Zveres gave Fritz a
lengthy ear bashing, which led to many post match questions.
Now Zverev told the assembled media that his issue wasn't
with Fritz or his two coaches. It was with Fritz's
(17:52):
support group aka Morgan. He said, they are not maybe
from the tennis world, They are not maybe used to
watching every single match. They were a bit over the top.
Now Zverev didn't actually mention Morgan's Instagram post of the
press Instead, it appears he's trying to claim that he
was offended by Morgan's cheering in the crowd. So Zverev
(18:14):
came out later and said that he had injured his
knee during the game and he thought it was a
bit off how everyone was cheering so much for Fritz
when it was clear that the outcome of the match
had a lot to do with his injured knee and
not actually the fact that he was playing badly. Now,
Morgan has become almost a feminist icon in this moment,
because following the press conference, she appeared to stoke the
(18:35):
fire by sharing another Instagram story, this time of her
holding a drink with the caption when your man wins
for the girls. I don't think I could love her
anymore because I became obsessed with Morgan during the Australian
Open and I've been following her ever since, and she
is just such a legend. It's quite funny because she
in Vogue, she recently spoke about how she doesn't mind
(18:57):
the term wag. She's almost reclaimed away. She's also known
as the Barbie Doll of the tour, and she just
sort of says owns it and says, I don't mind
being called tho. Well, yeah, that's what I feel like
I am. There was a recent TikTok she did was
she said she was wearing a Barbiecore inspired outfit just
to piss the tennis fans off, like the male tennis fans,
(19:17):
and it did piss them off. In fact, now a
lot of people were like you, Sophie, they were celebrating
Morgan's posts. However, Morgan has since come out and blamed
the media for overblowing her social media posts. So she said,
regarding my stories yesterday, I took them down as soon
as I realized the misunderstanding and how blown out of
proportion they had become by the media. They were not
(19:39):
about anything that's happened off the tennis court, and there's
no bad blood between anyone. Super proud of Tea for
the match yesterday, thank you to the crowd for the support,
and looking forward to tomorrow. What do you think about
the backflip? I love a bit of wind Wooden drama.
I do think she's been forced to come out and
water down these comments by her boyfriend's team because these
(19:59):
comments were directed at Swerev. But it's not a good
look when you're on the tour as a player to
have your girlfriend causing beef in the media. And I
think the fact that Taylor Fritz was then going on
to play in the semifinals, they didn't want this story
to continue and they didn't want it to overshadow this
semi finals appearance. I mean, he lost in the semifinal match.
(20:19):
If he had won, he would have gone on to
play against Novak Djokovic in the final. It would have
been absolutely huge for his career. I want to if
have caused any tension between Morgan and Taylor as well.
I also think that maybe there was a legal threat
from Zverev's team. I don't think so. I think that
tennis is such a gentleman's sport and I think it's
(20:41):
not a good look if you're on the tour to
be making enemies of other players. And I mean Zverev
pointed out, He's like, I don't have a problem with
Taylor Fritz, but he pointed out his issue was clearly
with Morgan. Do you think it also comes down to
the tennis players not lacking the fact that a player's
wife or girlfriend is taking attention away from them, and
attention away from the sport. Well possibly, I mean he
(21:03):
might actually be concerned about the power that she holds
within the social media world. I mean, he's well number four,
he should be better known than her. But the reality
is that there probably were more people queuing up to
get a photo with Morgan Riddle than him.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Mars and Pluto clash in the sky today in Taurus
and Aquarius, and this is I'm not gonna lie a
tough transit, which is why I've been advising many of
you in your weekly horoscopes to try and avoid potential
blowups and not get caught in the fray.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Channel seven has come under fire after revealing it will
add an astrology segment to its nightly news service. Celebrity
astrologer Natasha Weber, better known as Astrotash, will front the
twenty second report, which will air after the web. This
is an utterly bizarre decision, and I want to point
out it comes off the back of mass job cuts
(21:57):
at Channel seven, and that is due to the failed
Meta deal, which we spoke about in an episode a
couple of weeks ago. There are reports the seven staff
members are not happy about this move because it really
does call into question the credibility of their news service
and it makes them look like a laughing stock. Yeah,
and I'm not surprised by the reaction from staff because
(22:18):
when you look at the feedback that's currently out there,
it's not good. So three aw's Tom Elliott described the
segment as a load of rubbish and said astrology in
the news, it's not science, it's not fact, while journalist
Tracy Spice has said that she assumed it was a joke,
and public health professor Simon Chapman suggested perhaps seven could
(22:39):
run a leprocorn citing segment. Next, My favorite response was
from recently sacked Brisbane news reader Sharon Goodella. So she
took a swipe at the news segment and that was
when she was addressing her recent exit. So she was
fired after seventeen years at the network, and she wrote
on Facebook it it wasn't quite how I expected to
(23:01):
end at Channel seven. Here's hoping my horoscope for tomorrow
will be for brighter times ahead. What a bird? Do
you think there is place for horoscopes and news bulletins? No,
I think this is a complete joke. And when I
read it, I thought that this must be a rumor
because it just seems absolutely absurd. Horoscopes are not based
(23:24):
on scientific fact. It confuses things, so people are going
to be saying, well, is this news credible? Is this fact? Yeah?
It really cheapens the brand and I think it's clear
that it's a desperate attempt from seven to attract a
younger audience. So it's new head of News and Current
Affairs told media outlets the network is exploring new ideas
and concepts to bring in new audiences so that we
(23:47):
can showcase them this journalism. I'm sorry, but this is
not the way to get people watching every the news.
Everyone's going to be switching over to the ABC because
I mean, I get that this is a commercial net
work and at the end of the day, they have
to sell advertising, they have to get eyeballs. But I
don't think that this is the way to do it.
I think this is going to upset a lot of
(24:07):
their loyal viewers. Or what's more disturbing is the new
head of News and Current Affairs has also claimed that
they're just getting started. I mean, I'm a bit concerned
what is next, because there are reports from The Australian
that seven is set to launch a weekly comedy skit
hosted by comedian Mark Humphreys, and apparently this is going
to run for three minutes on Fridays. What the hell
(24:30):
is this? Because they are getting rid of all of
their journalists that they don't have enough people to cover story,
so they're thinking, fuck, we need to fit something into
this new hour bulletin. No. I think probably what it
is is they've had a brainstorming meeting and it's involved
ten men all over fifty, and they've thought, how can
we get a younger audience comedy videos that's funny? I
mean next they're going to probably suggest doing some lame
(24:52):
top viral videos of the day. Is this because they've
been instructed to think about TikTok and not rating, so
they thinking that this clip of their horoscopes is going
to perform really well on TikTok. Their comedy skits are
going to perform really well on TikTok. It's going to
get more people following. I actually think that might be
why they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I think they're just trying to get millennial and gen
Z viewers and they think that oh, this is the
kind of shit that they're interested in. But everyone is
tuning into free to air TV, so they are expecting
millennials and Gen zetters to see this on TikTok. I
don't understand why don't they get a focus group of
millennials and Gen zetas together and actually ask them what
they care about, because I actually think this group of
(25:32):
people they want to know what's happening. They're very socially conscious,
and I think what the issue has been is that
in the past, and I know this from experience having
worked there, there was a big focus on crime stories
because they rated, and I think the view was that
if people are living in fear, they're going to tune
into the nightly news. However, in twenty twenty four, people
(25:54):
are sick of seeing negative stories, and I don't think
the answer is bringing in lame news segment. I think
that they want to bring more light and shade to
the news service, So maybe bring in some more upbeat
stories that people aren't so depressed to watch. While they're
starting to do that, I know on Channel seven in
Adelaide before the weather called the Little Ray of Sunshine,
and that focuses on positive news. It's a really big
(26:17):
one for our clients because sometimes it's the only way
you can get a really positive story out there about
a lifestyle brand. And maybe they've had a really great
reaction to that segment and are thinking, what are more
ways that we can implement positive or fun news into
the bulletin. Yeah, but I think what's going to happen
is by implementing the suggested segment, it's actually going to
cut off a lot of their viewers, like their older
(26:39):
viewers who aren't They don't care about that shit that
all the older viewers are dying out. They're saying, fuck you,
I don't. Yeah, but these guys want anymore. The issue
is I don't think they're actually going to attract any
new younger viewers either with this content.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
The more I think about this, maybe it is a
stroke of genius from Channel seven because this content is
going to perform very well on TikTok. There are going
to be a lot of send ons because we know
that young people obsessed with horoscopes, They're going to be
tagging their friends. Also, this comedy segment has the potential
of being very cringe and very good for viral views
on TikTok. Well, the interesting thing about Astrotash is she
(27:12):
already appears on seven's The Morning Show and has her
own horoscope segment, so kind of seems like they're just
trying to recycle that. I wonder if it has a
bit to do with her appearance. She's a very attractive woman.
I also think it would come down to that segment
being quite a popular one for them, so they want
to trial it in the six pm edition. I am
foreseeing not the greatest times ahead for Channel seven. If
(27:34):
I'm looking at my horoscope. I don't have any actual
experience or knowledge in this, but bad time seemed to
be ahead for the Mars is in retrograde. Maybe my breast.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Implants removed yesterday at Saint Vincent's private hospital.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Former Married at First Sight contestant Martha Califatitis has opened
up about her recent breast explant surgery. The thirty six
years or old shared a lengthy video to TikTok explaining
her decision to have them removed.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I must have wanted to have my implants removed for
like a few years now. I just probably around three
years ago, just before I got pregnant, I had this
feeling that I just wanted them out. I've had them
for about fifteen years, and I've never ever been able
to like feel them. They've always just felt so natural.
(28:26):
But around three years ago I started to.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Like feel them for some reason. They just I was
just aware of them.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I just became so aware of them, like inside me.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Martha couldn't initially go ahead with that surgery because she
unexpectedly fell pregnant with her and Michael's first son, Lucius
in twenty twenty two, But now that he's a year
and a half and Martha has stopped breastfeeding, she thought
this year might be the right time to do it.
Her only hesitation was that she was worried it might
(28:57):
interfere with her plans to have another baby, and she
wanted to know how quickly she could safely full pregnant
following the procedure. Her surgeon did put her at ease,
saying she can try and conceive two months after surgery.
He did warn her, though, that with pregnancy, her breasts
will change. Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
They're gonna like stretch out and then they could start
to like sag again.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But honestly, this stage.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
In my life, I really don't give a fuck about
having the perkiest.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Boobs in town.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm thirty six,
I don't care. That is a really good attitude for
Martha to have. I have really been enjoying her TikTok
content recently, so she's been sharing content about her living
back at home with her parents. So her and Michael
moved in around two years ago, and that was because
they had a few issues with their house. It's also
(29:45):
because Martha had HG during her pregnancy, so she was
bedbound for most of her pregnancy. It was a really
tough one, so she needed to be surrounded by her family,
and a lot of her content features her mum Mary,
and she is hilarious, and recently she's been reminding Martha
that maybe they should move out of the house because
she's been having to do all the cooking, all of
(30:06):
the cleaning. I think they're worried about their TikTok content
if they do move away from Mary though, because even
with Michael, he is constantly doing brand deals around having
this mother in law who's always around, and a lot
of his comedic video center on her as well. Martha
recently told him Mum, She's like, I have no plans
of moving out, Like I've got it too good in
this way? Would she looks great? You've got babysitters all
(30:29):
the time, You've got home cooked meals. Now back to
Martha's ex plant. So she created a TikTok video following
her surgery, and she said she was surprised at how
good she was feeling. She could lift her hands above
her head and she was in no pain. She also
gave her followers a close up look of her new shape,
so she removed her pajama top to show her compression.
(30:51):
Bra Here's what she said, I feel really flat shame.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
So you kind of really tell because I've got these
two and this is a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Of swallowing up here.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But if you look at me.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
On the side, you can tell that I definitely have
a lot smaller us.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Also, how long it's made my torso.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Look so long.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Her fiance Michael, wasn't thrilled about this surgery. He created
a comedic video for TikTok and he showed Martha in
her surgical gown about to be wheeled in, and he
wrote saying goodbye to my two best friends today, and
in the background, the Titanics My Heart Will Go On
was playing. That would piss me off if I saw that,
I just I know it's a joke, but I don't know, Well,
(31:41):
he was me, you don't know how much of it
is a joke. Yeah, it's it kind of to me
is in poor taste. A lot of people did find
it quite funny. It created a lot of engagement. There
were also a lot of questions around whether this surgery
was sponsored. Martha confirmed that she wasn't affiliated with the surgeon,
and she paid fifteen thousand dollars for the procedure. Fifteen thousand.
(32:03):
I think a lot of people when they go in
to have their breast done, they don't consider the additional
cost because every ten years or fifteen years, you're meant
to go and get them replaced. And I didn't even
realize that if you wanted them removed, it would cost
an additional fifteen thousand dollars. I think it was particularly
expensive because she went with a breast specialist instead of
a cosmetic surgeon, and it was someone who had done
(32:26):
all of her friend's breast implants back in the day,
which made me laugh because it kind of sounds like
in your twenties, you're getting the put in in your
mid thirties, you're getting them removed. Well, it's becoming such
a popular surgery. Especially in twenty twenty four, we've seen
a huge increase in women having their implants removed, and
a lot of it's to do with some women who've
had breast implants that have ruptured. In the case of Martha,
(32:49):
hers didn't rupture, but she said she just felt suddenly uncomfortable.
A lot of women are also getting them removed because
they're experiencing very debilitating symptoms which are related to breast
implant illness. So some of the symptoms can include chronic
debilitating anxiety, suicidal thoughts, brain fog, joint pain, fatigue, rashes,
and hair loss. Now, there is also a condition known
(33:12):
as SSBI, so that is symptomatic symptoms associated with breast implants,
but that is not medically recognized yet. But currently Australia
is conducting its first study into breast implant illness and
the early finding show that seventy to eighty percent of
symptoms lesson all disappear entirely after implants are removed. Wow,
(33:35):
I think we're just going to see more and more
people getting their breast implants removed, especially if you look
at the celebrity well, because Tory Spelling, Black, China, and
Chrissy Teagan all had their implants removed, we're obviously seeing
influencers like Martha talking about her experience. And I think
it's also because women are becoming more aware of the
risks associated with breast implants and they're able to share
(33:56):
their real life experiences online. I mean, looking at martha
comment section, it was full of women saying that they're
also getting the implants removed and talking about all of
the really severe symptoms that they've experienced since having them
in I think it is so fantastic to see Martha
using her platform to urge women to think carefully before
getting surgery, because she finished her video by saying she
(34:18):
wishes she never went under the knife, and she heavily
regrets it, and she wants young women to think very
very carefully about it. Now. I think that is all
we have time for today. Thank you so much for
joining us for another episode of Outspoken. If you have
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Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to
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