Jade Tunchy has dropped some major hints on her Instagram story about what she’d like to find under her Christmas tree. The catch is it costs over $50k.
The world is still reeling after the tragic death of Matthew Perry. The Friends actor best known for playing Chandler Bing died on Saturday night at his home in Los Angeles at the age of 54.
Kim Kardashian has taken her marketing of Skims to a whole new level. launching a new bra with built in nipples.
90s kids around the country are feeling extra nostalgic this week, with the release of the Wiggle’s new documentary, Hot Potato. The documentary seems to be hitting us all in the feels, with TikTok flooded with videos of grown adults crying whilst watching the documentary.
And why Sofia Richie’s latest make up tutorial has millennials spiralling.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Coming up on today's show, jar Da Tunci's Extravagant Christmas
wish List, the Wiggles doco Sparking Joy, and Kim Kardashian's Nipplebra.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop cocktre
news twice a week. I'm Sophie Tuba and over the weekend,
millennials have been spiraling because, according to Sophia Richie concealer,
lips are back in. What this is ridiculous? Like, how
can that be brought back in? Wasn't that a mistake
that we made twelve fifteen years ago that we'd never
(00:36):
want to talk about again. I have a different opinion.
I think this is great news because often I forget
to put lipstick on when I actually go out, so
it's not it's not a no lipstick look. It's literally
your lips being a lighter shade than your foundation. Because
this was hugely popular back in the two thousands, when
you were going out to a nightclub or even to
the office, you would put Conceala on your lips as
(00:57):
a bit of a nude lip. I saw a go
on TikTok and she thought that she was putting on
lipstick at a nightclub and she realized that she was
actually putting on concealer, and the look on her face
when she discovered it looked so messed up. But the
thing is, it wasn't just people putting concealer on their lips.
All of those lighter lipstick colors were also in fashion.
I remember looking through my makeup and you know when
(01:18):
you're like, I better throw some of this shit out.
It's like ten years old, and some of the colors
were so bad. This new Conceala look has evolved a bit,
so it's not as terrible as what it was in
the two thousand. So Sophia was taking her followers through
how to achieve what she described as the perfect pumpkin
spice lip, and she finished by dabbing Conceala on her lips,
so it was just a little bit of concealer, and
(01:40):
she described it as the cherry on top of the look.
I can understand when people do that ombre lipstick look
where they have maybe a nude color and then a
lighter color in the middle, but there's just something so
wrong about actually putting concealer on your lip. Well, that's
what it was because you're supposed to wear a lot
of lipliner around it, and it's supposed to be a
bit shaded. But I definitely don't think that I'm going
to be incorporating this into my everyday makeup. We we're
(02:02):
talking about, Saphie, you are the exact person who would
start copying this onek.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The world is still reeling after the tragic death of
Matthew Perry, the Friend's actor best known for playing Chandler
Bing died on Saturday night at his home in Los
Angeles at the age of fifty four. Kay, I am
still in shock over this news. Oh, it definitely hasn't
sunk in. And we were actually on the phone together
when we found out the news. I remember you saw
it on a forum and you're like, is this actually
(02:31):
true because there are a lot of those hoax reports
that go out, and I was like, surely it's not true.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I definitely thought it was a hoax as well. I
kept searching, just hoping that it wasn't true, and someone
put it so well. I saw on Instagram they wrote
that we've all lost a friend tonight, and that's definitely
how it felt, because I think for a lot of people,
Friends is their comfort show, and so many people watch
it every single night to either fall asleep or just
part of their routine, and I think it's just not
(02:57):
going to be the same. Yeah, I found myself loved
last night watching a lot of old interviews with Matthew Perry,
and it's almost you go through this strange feeling because
obviously we don't know. I've never met Matthew Perry, but
you are, as you said, mourning the loss of a friend,
and you're almost trying to search for answers as to
why something like this or how something that this could happen.
I think what's really sad is when the news first broke,
(03:20):
a lot of people assume that his death had something
to do with drugs, because he has been very open
in the past about his issue with addiction. Well, what
we know so far is that police were called to
Matthew Perry's house at four pm on Saturday afternoon, and
it appears it was Matthew Perry's PA that made the call,
and this was after the PA came home and found
Matthew unresponsive in his jacuzzi. And there are reports that
(03:43):
Matthew Perry suffered cardiac arrest while in the jacuzzie. It's
also being reported by the media that Matthew had played
a two hour game of pickleball before his death. There
were a lot of paparazzi photos of him actually playing.
I just feel sick seeing paparazzi photos of someone before
their death. I think it's quite inappropriate to put those
photos out. I mean, there's obviously a lot of interest
(04:06):
in this story, and what concerns me is how far
the media is going to go. I've seen photos this
morning of Matthew Perry's mum and dad out the front
of Matthew's house, just hours after finding out about his death,
and they looked absolutely devastated, understandably, and I just thought
there needs to be some respect. Obviously, this is a
(04:26):
huge story and the world is interested, but how far
do you go? Because TMZ they've already put up the
nine to one one call online. Well, TMZ were the
first to break the news of Matthew Perry's death, and
I'm very interested to know how they actually found out
because there was no official statement. Usually we see an
official statement from someone's family or publicist but that hadn't
(04:48):
come out there. Well, remember when Kobe Bryant died and
there were a lot of police who were leaking awful photos.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They've since been sued.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So it makes you wonder when the police are involved.
Obviously the call out has gone out and there's so
many people who are aware of it and someone's got
a media contact. Yeah, people are tipping off the media.
It does remind me when we were growing up. We
used to watch Entertainment Tonight and I recall when Spig
celebrities died, they would just go on and on and
(05:16):
on about it for months and months. And I can
just see this happening with Matthew Perry because while I
did like a lot of the videos that were going
up on TikTok, there is a line that is crossed
where people are just doing it to get extra views
and it's almost like pulling on people's heart strings too much.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, it's a bit sick.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's really eerie as well, because the last photo he
shared was of himself in a jacuzzi.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
These aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Kim Kardashian has taken her marketing of skims to a
whole new level. She's launched a bra that has built
in nipples, and the kicker is she's using global warming
as a reason to buy it.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let's throw to the clip ear.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's temperature is getting harder and harder, the sea levels
are rising, the ace sheets are shrinking. And I'm not
a scientist, but I do believe everyone can use their
skill set to do their part. That's why I'm introducing
a brand new bra with a built in nipple, so
no matter how hard it is, you'll always look called.
(06:18):
Some days are hard, but these nipples are harder and
unlike the icebergs, these aren't going anywhere. The Skim's ultimate
nipple braw.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I just love that Kim is happy to poke fun
at herself, no pun intended. I do feel like she
was almost putting on a Paris Hilton persona during that
quick Well. She used that voice all throughout the first
series of The Kardashians. I did see a lot of
people commenting that it almost came across as an SNL skit. Yeah,
it did have those vibes. It was actually written by
(06:55):
a comedian, Michelle Wolf, so Kim didn't come up with
all of those funny lines. Don't know if I find
Kim Kardashian funny though it's sort of similar to SNL. Like,
I didn't laugh once at her skit, but I appreciate
what she's trying to do. Yeah. Well, a lot of
people were asking if it was some kind of April
Fool's joke. It's pretty funny because someone likened it to
(07:16):
that scene in Me and Girls where Regina George has
that singlet with holes cut out and starts this massive trend. Well,
when I saw the video, I did think, is this
actually a product that she's bringing out or just a
piss tape. No, it is definitely real because a lot
of people like that briarless look, but then they want
to actually have their boobs supported as well.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think this is going to sell out.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I saw a lot of women also commenting and saying
that this is great for women who've had misectomies. Yeah,
it also reminds me. I know we were talking about
Friends before, but on Friends, Jennifer Annison always had perfect
boobs and you could always see her nipples through her top.
It's interesting, though, because this isn't a thing that Kim
Kardashian has invented. Back in the nineteen sixties and seventies,
(07:55):
they actually did have these nipple bras as well, so
she's really bringing it back. Your stick on nipples were
also a thing back in the nineties, so this is
just something that she's reinvented, and she has done it
in a clever way. Because we're all talking about this video. Oh,
I think these are gonna sell out pretty quickly. Can't
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Content, So thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Jarda Tuint. She is dropping hints on an Instagram story
about what she'd liked to find under her Christmas tree.
She shared a photo of a Cartier watch and wrote
today I made a very optimistic Christmas wish list and
tagged the brand. I'm guessing she's either dropping hints to
the brand or to her husband Lockie. Is there any
potential that this could be a paid sponsored opportunity. Maybe
(09:21):
she's been told by the brand to start posting about
them as a perfect Christmas gift. Well, it's not really
a perfect Christmas gift because the watch costs fifty two
thousand dollars, so I don't know who is actually going
to be putting this on their wish It's kind of
like our discussion a couple of weeks ago about snaz
Jana having a eight hundred dollars pair of jeans and
(09:41):
what's the point of her promoting that to her audience
who probably can't afford it. But for Jarday, she does
quite often promote high end luxury brand, so she must
have some sort of audience who do then click onto
those brands and actually purchase them. But I don't think
making the promotion around this being an item that you
want for Chris dismiss something that is relatable or really reasonable,
(10:03):
particularly in the cost of living crisis. I'm guessing that
Lockie is hoping that Cartier comes through with the goods
because he would not want to be buying This is
becoming a pet peeve of mine though. People trying to
get free shit, so they put up a question box
and say, oh, what sort of pram should I get
or what sort of paint should I use for my renovation?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Whatever it is. It's called google, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Google it, or ask a friend, because at the end
of the day, we all have these tools available to us,
and you're clearly putting it out there so that then
the brand contacts.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You're fishing that fishing is a fishing.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Expedition, so then you can say, oh, hey, guys, actually
these guys reached out to me, and it's another excuse
to mention it on your story. It's always funny when
you see someone do that and then like a week
later they seem to be tagging this brand and being like, Oh,
I just came across this, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think people can see through it though.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Followers are becoming so much smarter and aware of this
type of marketing. Yeah, well, what do you guys think
about dropping hints for Christmas presents?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Personally.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I love when someone drops hints. My partner is very
good at dropping hints about what he wants of birthdays
or Christmas.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Not subtle about it. No, I mean, but.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There's bad when someone says, oh, I don't know, because
then you have the stress of trying to track something down.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm that person that says I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I want a surprise, because for me, it's kind of
like a test to see how well they know me.
Just this week, we were talking about Christmas presents and
we were saying, oh, it's been an expensive year with
Sophia getting a house and the cost of living and everything.
And we were saying, oh, maybe we should just go
in and do a Chris Kringle or something with partners
for gifts, because often I will buy Sophie a gift,
(11:42):
and then you'll buy day ly gift and it's just
so many presents, and sometimes you just get all this
stuff that you don't even necessarily want or need, and
it takes so long to pick everything as well, but
I loved As we were discussing it, we then came
to the conclusion that no, politically, we needed to actually
get every single person a present, because that's it works
with the in laws as well, and it's got to
(12:02):
match up. It's got to be fair also because of
the cost of living crisis, and you're not going out
and buying everything you want. I actually have a hefty
list of things that I already want, So I need
to know. Have you guys ever asked for anything that's
been really unrealistic for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Maybe as a kid, what like a cartier was.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, as a kid, I remember asking for like a
puppy or some kind of pet. And that's actually becoming
a really unrealistic and expensive gift now.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Because if you look at the cost of puppy, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
All four and a half six and half grades.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's an ongoing cost as well.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I remember finding a Christmas list that I'd written
for Nana, and I put like a white mouse at
the top of the list.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
For some reason, when you were in year three or four.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Did everyone else have this where having a mouse as
a pet was like the coolest thing.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It was because of the book Matilda.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Oh and can I just add obviously you're not meant
to buy pets at Christmas time.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
They're not a Christmas gift for a lifelong lift.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I don't think that I've ever asked for something that
over the top. My partner and I do cop a
bit of shit because we not that presence is our
love language, but we yeah, well they usually are, don't Brandon.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But I wouldn't necessarily say it's for me. It's just
the first TIMEE making an effort.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
There's nothing wrong with presents being your love language either.
It's just it's as long as you both know it
if you're in a relation.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, well, we've discussed this year.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Now that we've bought our house, we're like, let's just
not go to nuts.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Let's just you know, take it back and say that though.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And then there's this always this one up yeah, where
someone's like, oh, I might just add this.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, just starts going to Marley, hat to Marley.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And he turned to us and he goes sing along
nineties kids around the country. Are feeling extra nostalgic this
week with the release of the wiggles new documentary called
Hot Potato. The documentary seems to be hitting us all
in the fields with TikTok flooded with videos of grown
adults crying whilst watching the documentary. Now, I watched this
(13:56):
whilst I was away from my partner's thirtieth and I
have had the Wiggle stuck in my head all weekend.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Were you one of the people crying?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, I wasn't crying, but I did find myself just
sitting there smiling happily because it was just I loved
seeing all of the old photos of them when they
were back in the nineties and so young, and they
just looked so excited and happy to be performing. The
thing that really stood out to me in this doco
is how much strategy went into actually putting the Wiggles
(14:24):
together as a band, because three of the guys actually
studied childhood education and a lot of what they learned
at university actually went into the song making process.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Well.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I always remember hearing that the Wiggles all used to
be part of an eighties rock group which was called
the cock Croaches, but it turns out that it was
just Anthony and Jeff.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Who were part of that group.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That surprised me too.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, and it's so cute because Greg used to be
the president of their fan club, so he was in
awe of Anthony, and Anthony kind of took Greg under
his wing and said, look, mate, you.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Can't be part of this club forever.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Why don't we all go on to do childhood education together?
And Anthony told him that it would be the perfect
job because this sort of job would allow you to
sing every day and be creative. So Greg thought it
was a good idea. But on the side they started
the Wiggles. Another thing that shocked me was the big
age difference between the guys. So Greg was the youngest.
He was only nineteen when the Wiggles formed, and Jeff
(15:20):
was thirty eight. See I always thought that Anthony was
youngest because he's still in Yeah, so Anthony was twenty
eight and Murray was thirty one. And it's wild because
Jeff today is seventy years old and Greg's only fifty one.
And no disrespect to Greg, because he was actually my
favorite in the Wiggles, but I thought he was far
older and I think it's because you know, they do
(15:40):
speak about it a lot in the documentary, but he's
gone through a range of health issues. But I also
have to add I think he was the hottie of
the group back.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
In the day.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Look, I don't really think that there were any hotties.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Like I'm not trying to be rude, like they were
no great style.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I think when you look back and see them performing
as a group at the start, you can tell that
Greg is a lot younger. What surprised me was the
fact that he was such a big fan of Anthony
growing up, yet he kind of was.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
The lead in the band.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I have heard from a lot of mums though, that
Anthony was the pick. Maybe this is before we've had
the Purple Wiggle, who's absolutely ripped now because he had
really bright teeth. He was clear that he whitened his teeth,
and he was quite musky, had a few tattoos going
on underneath that skivvy. When they were doing all their
shows in the US, I said to Rees at one
point watching it, when did Anthony get all buff?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Because at some point they were.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Doing like surp Desole type of performances within the Wiggles
concert so they had to actually get really fit. Yeah, well,
if we rewind a bit to their early university days,
I didn't realize that Anthony's brother, John used to go
around busking with them, and I think he was actually
originally part of one of their first songs, and he
(16:51):
actually came up with the song hot Potato. So when
he was out busking, he just came up randomly with
the term hot to Marley, and the song was so catchy.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He didn't come up with the term hot to.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Marley, however, he came up with the song saying hot
to Marley, Hot to Marley, and it was so catchy
that they thought, oh, this is going to make a
great children's song. Hot, but they knew the Ossie kids
would have no idea what a Tamalley was, so they
changed it to potato. So that was sort of the
start of the Wiggles. I feel like so many things
surprised me in this docay, But another thing that really
stood out was the fact that this John guy seemed
(17:23):
to have written a lot of their hits. So he
came up with the hot Potato thing, but he also
came up with let's get ready to wiggle. Yeah, well,
he is now their manager, so obviously he's probably getting
a lot of their royalty, So yeah, he hopes.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He seemed to be the brains behind a lot of
the songs, but so did Anthony. Anthony seemed to be
the most creative out of the girl. He was really
the driving force behind the Wiggles. How about how they
took a song from the Cockroaches and kept the music
but just changed the words so it would.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Be Dorothy the Dinosaur.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, can you believe that the ABC actually tried to
scrap Dorothy the Dinosaur Because the Wiggles took their show
to the ABC in the early days and asked them
to produce it, and one of the producers told them
that their show was too cringe and that they wanted
to get rid of Dorothy. And by this stage, Dorothy
was a cult figure amongst the group.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's pretty cute because.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Jeff had even begun making Dorothy the Dinosaur legionnaire's hats
because they realized that the kids wanted to pretend to
be Dorothy they loved her so much. Again, there was
so much strategy behind the characters that they had accompanied
them because Anthony said that all kids loved dinosaurs at
that time, and she appealed to the female fans. And
then they introduced Captain feather Sword because Anthony said every
(18:36):
party they went to there was always a pirate, but
they didn't want him to be violent, so they gave
him a feather sword. Well, because of these creative differences,
the Wiggles actually ended up independently creating their own series.
I also found it fascinating to hear that the yellow
skivvy was the least popular skivy, So when they were
picking who would wear what, apparently Greg got the sho
(19:00):
short straw because both Greg and Anthony wanted the blue skivvy,
but apparently Greg wasn't.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Quick enough to react together.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, what didn't make sense to me was when you
saw photos from them back in the early days, Anthony
was actually wearing a green skivy. No one had a
blue lie. I think it was aqua marine or just
a different kind of blue. Do you think they went
from t shirts to skivvy's because Anthony started getting tattoos,
because at one point he was showing off all his tattoos,
And I'm like, ah, is that why they were so Maybe?
(19:27):
Also perhaps because kids wear Skivvy's growing up, and maybe
it was a way to connect with them. I can
see where they were coming from with the yellow Skivvy
because yellow is a hard color to pull off. I
feel like blue is a lot more fluttering on many
different skin tones, and also probably like a more favorite
color amongst kids. And we've got to remember they actually
brought the colors in because they thought that the kids
wouldn't remember their names, but they could remember which color
(19:48):
they are. So that's how it all started, the Yellow Wiggle,
the Blue Wiggle. It's wild that the most unpopular color
became the person who was the lead singer in the group,
and now all of the new Wiggles members coming.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Forward to be yellow.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Because I've always had a soft spot for Greg, which
is why it was so interesting to find out more
about why he left the Wiggles in two thousand and six.
So it couldn't have been worse timing for the group
because they were absolutely dominating in the US, so much
so that they sold out Madison Square Gardens twelve times over,
and they were performing these big back to back shows
(20:21):
and there was so much high energy in their performance.
And it all started when Greg actually passed out at
one show, so they originally thought he'd passed out from exhaustion,
but it kept happening. Yeah, they eventually discovered that he
had a condition called orthostatic intolerance, which makes performing very difficult.
So basically, for Greg, his heart can't pump enough blood
(20:43):
around his body when he stands up, which then causes
him to lose balance and feint. And the condition is
not life threatening, but it's one that Greg has to
manage for the rest of his life. And he was
only thirty four when he made the decision to leave
the group. So he did pass the yellow skin give
it on to Sam Moran, and in the documentary you
(21:03):
can tell that that is quite a touchy subject still
for Sam, because just five years later Greg decided that
he wanted to come back and they pretty much just
discarded Sam.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, to be fair, Greg said, that's actually just how.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The media reported on it, and it wasn't actually true.
What I was shocked about was that they said that
Greg had actually signed his way out of the business,
So I was like, well, what did that mean when
he came back like he was still getting royalty. He's
one part of the documentary that they could have improved
was going more into the business side of things, because
surely Greg would have still had royalties to all of
(21:40):
the music because he was involved in creating the songs.
Maybe they meant that he'd signed his way out of
having any calling any shots when it came to business,
or they actually said that they paid him out. So
I wonder how that worked when he wanted to come back. Well,
it was the first time that the Wiggles received any
real negative publicity when Sam left the group, and I
(22:00):
went back and had a look. And there's an article
from twenty twelve in the Daily Telegraph and it said
that Sam was ostracized by the other Wiggles and nicknamed
the salary Wiggles. So he reportedly was on two hundred
thousand dollars a year, which was just a fraction of
the twenty eight point two million dollars that the band
was making. See, I don't have a problem with them
giving him a salary because the Wiggles were already at
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their peak of popularity. It's not like Sam helped build
them up and make them successful. I mean it would
be difficult though, if you're the only one not getting
as much and you're out touring because it's quite clear
how much they were touring because they were spending a
lot of time away from their families and young kids.
I found that whole discussion about them spending time away
from their families quite awkward because it was clear there
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was a bit of a resentment coming from the Wiggles kids.
And can you imagine being their kids and seeing them
out spending all this time entertaining other children and making
them happy, and you're at home without your dad. It
would be really hard as a kid. I remember Murray
saying in the documentary that his child was saying, oh,
I hate music now because it takes daddy away, and
that was a sign for him where he's like, oh
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my god, I've got to stop touring. I wonder if
their kids actually grew up watching The Wiggles, because obviously
parents just pop it on every parent in Australia have
their kids. They actually did because Anthony's daughter, who ironically
is now a Wiggle herself, she was saying that she
couldn't quite work out why her dad was also the
Blue Wheel.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, She's like, I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I got so confused with dad and Anthony And now
that she is also a blue Wiggle because now they've
got a set of each color. Yeah, so she's a
blue Wiggle and she said it's really weird for her
to call her dad Anthony on the show we can't
not talk about the Wiggles Live show. How funny was
it seeing thirty to forty year olds absolutely going nuts
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for hot tail for salad, They knew all of the moves,
the people dressed as Dorothy the Dinosaur. I'm hanging out
for a High Five reunion because I think that the
High Five songs were almost for a bit of an
older demographic, whereas I don't know if I could get
as behind like.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
A fruit saladtong.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I kind of get it though, because if he went
to say a nightclub and the Wiggles came on, I
mean we were at a pub crawl when there were
the Wiggles were out and about having drinks, and think
how excited everyone was.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Do we have to mention that story again?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Last time we mentioned it it got picked up in
the Daily Male, and I feel like, maybe we've got
one journal who listens to this who might find it
funny again now that the Wiggles are in just recurred
to take that story yeah, just a bit of a well,
I mean, the pre story is pretty brief. We met
them at a journalism pub crawl. Yeah, and they were
so chilled and down to earth. And I recently read
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in an article that Anthony said that people find it
weird when they see him out having a.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Beer and like, oh wait, you're having a beer, and
he's like, I'm not a child. I do go out
and have a good.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
D It was a bit like our chat with Nathan
from High five. He said he experienced the same thing.
So when we met the Wiggles, it was Anthony, Murray
and Sa.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm pretty sure Jeff wasn't there. He's probably asleep.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And I remember that somehow they managed to follow our
Facebook accounts even though we didn't tell them out look
to be fair, I think it was just Sam and
the dog. Yeah, so Wags was there, and we've now
been friends with Wags for probably over ten years.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I've seen him get married, have kids. They were all
the loveliest guys. They were so nice.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I remember they were like, if you ever need to
interview us for anything, maybe we need to do our
own deep.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So I actually would love that. Let's get onto that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Sam Moran seems to have his own story. They didn't
get told that documentary. A lot of people were saying
that maybe Emma the Yellow Wiggle also has a story
to tell, because she did. She was in the doco,
but she didn't upload anything to Instagram to promote it,
and she also wasn't at the premiere of it. But
isn't Emma married to Sam nine.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
No Amy a lot of mums at home. No, So
Emma was married to the Purple Wiggle who's called Lockie.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So they started dating in twenty fifteen. They then got
engaged in twenty sixteen, but then everything fell apart and
they got divorced two years later. So they had to
perform together in the Wiggles for three years until Emmett
then lest it was a bit of a Nathan Kelly
high five man. Yeah, they did sort of briefly touch
on it in the doco and she said, oh, you know,
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we were just very professional, But I mean, yeah, I
think probably more went on behind the scenes there. What
about the absolute blasphemy when they changed wake Up Jeff
to wake Up Locky.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I didn't realize that happened. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Jeff was like, I like to think that the kids
enjoyed the first version a bit more.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wasn't Jeff just a legend as well? I love him
so much.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
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elders past and present,
Coming up on today's show, jar Da Tunci's Extravagant Christmas
wish List, the Wiggles doco Sparking Joy, and Kim Kardashian's Nipplebra.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop cocktre
news twice a week. I'm Sophie Tuba and over the weekend,
millennials have been spiraling because, according to Sophia Richie concealer,
lips are back in. What this is ridiculous? Like, how
can that be brought back in? Wasn't that a mistake
that we made twelve fifteen years ago that we'd never
(00:36):
want to talk about again. I have a different opinion.
I think this is great news because often I forget
to put lipstick on when I actually go out, so
it's not it's not a no lipstick look. It's literally
your lips being a lighter shade than your foundation. Because
this was hugely popular back in the two thousands, when
you were going out to a nightclub or even to
the office, you would put Conceala on your lips as
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a bit of a nude lip. I saw a go
on TikTok and she thought that she was putting on
lipstick at a nightclub and she realized that she was
actually putting on concealer, and the look on her face
when she discovered it looked so messed up. But the
thing is, it wasn't just people putting concealer on their lips.
All of those lighter lipstick colors were also in fashion.
I remember looking through my makeup and you know when
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you're like, I better throw some of this shit out.
It's like ten years old, and some of the colors
were so bad. This new Conceala look has evolved a bit,
so it's not as terrible as what it was in
the two thousand. So Sophia was taking her followers through
how to achieve what she described as the perfect pumpkin
spice lip, and she finished by dabbing Conceala on her lips,
so it was just a little bit of concealer, and
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she described it as the cherry on top of the look.
I can understand when people do that ombre lipstick look
where they have maybe a nude color and then a
lighter color in the middle, but there's just something so
wrong about actually putting concealer on your lip. Well, that's
what it was because you're supposed to wear a lot
of lipliner around it, and it's supposed to be a
bit shaded. But I definitely don't think that I'm going
to be incorporating this into my everyday makeup. We we're
(02:02):
talking about, Saphie, you are the exact person who would
start copying this onek.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The world is still reeling after the tragic death of
Matthew Perry, the Friend's actor best known for playing Chandler
Bing died on Saturday night at his home in Los
Angeles at the age of fifty four. Kay, I am
still in shock over this news. Oh, it definitely hasn't
sunk in. And we were actually on the phone together
when we found out the news. I remember you saw
it on a forum and you're like, is this actually
(02:31):
true because there are a lot of those hoax reports
that go out, and I was like, surely it's not true.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I definitely thought it was a hoax as well. I
kept searching, just hoping that it wasn't true, and someone
put it so well. I saw on Instagram they wrote
that we've all lost a friend tonight, and that's definitely
how it felt, because I think for a lot of people,
Friends is their comfort show, and so many people watch
it every single night to either fall asleep or just
part of their routine, and I think it's just not
(02:57):
going to be the same. Yeah, I found myself loved
last night watching a lot of old interviews with Matthew Perry,
and it's almost you go through this strange feeling because
obviously we don't know. I've never met Matthew Perry, but
you are, as you said, mourning the loss of a friend,
and you're almost trying to search for answers as to
why something like this or how something that this could happen.
I think what's really sad is when the news first broke,
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a lot of people assume that his death had something
to do with drugs, because he has been very open
in the past about his issue with addiction. Well, what
we know so far is that police were called to
Matthew Perry's house at four pm on Saturday afternoon, and
it appears it was Matthew Perry's PA that made the call,
and this was after the PA came home and found
Matthew unresponsive in his jacuzzi. And there are reports that
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Matthew Perry suffered cardiac arrest while in the jacuzzie. It's
also being reported by the media that Matthew had played
a two hour game of pickleball before his death. There
were a lot of paparazzi photos of him actually playing.
I just feel sick seeing paparazzi photos of someone before
their death. I think it's quite inappropriate to put those
photos out. I mean, there's obviously a lot of interest
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in this story, and what concerns me is how far
the media is going to go. I've seen photos this
morning of Matthew Perry's mum and dad out the front
of Matthew's house, just hours after finding out about his death,
and they looked absolutely devastated, understandably, and I just thought
there needs to be some respect. Obviously, this is a
(04:26):
huge story and the world is interested, but how far
do you go? Because TMZ they've already put up the
nine to one one call online. Well, TMZ were the
first to break the news of Matthew Perry's death, and
I'm very interested to know how they actually found out
because there was no official statement. Usually we see an
official statement from someone's family or publicist but that hadn't
(04:48):
come out there. Well, remember when Kobe Bryant died and
there were a lot of police who were leaking awful photos.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They've since been sued.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So it makes you wonder when the police are involved.
Obviously the call out has gone out and there's so
many people who are aware of it and someone's got
a media contact. Yeah, people are tipping off the media.
It does remind me when we were growing up. We
used to watch Entertainment Tonight and I recall when Spig
celebrities died, they would just go on and on and
(05:16):
on about it for months and months. And I can
just see this happening with Matthew Perry because while I
did like a lot of the videos that were going
up on TikTok, there is a line that is crossed
where people are just doing it to get extra views
and it's almost like pulling on people's heart strings too much.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, it's a bit sick.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's really eerie as well, because the last photo he
shared was of himself in a jacuzzi.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
These aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Kim Kardashian has taken her marketing of skims to a
whole new level. She's launched a bra that has built
in nipples, and the kicker is she's using global warming
as a reason to buy it.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let's throw to the clip ear.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's temperature is getting harder and harder, the sea levels
are rising, the ace sheets are shrinking. And I'm not
a scientist, but I do believe everyone can use their
skill set to do their part. That's why I'm introducing
a brand new bra with a built in nipple, so
no matter how hard it is, you'll always look called.
(06:18):
Some days are hard, but these nipples are harder and
unlike the icebergs, these aren't going anywhere. The Skim's ultimate
nipple braw.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I just love that Kim is happy to poke fun
at herself, no pun intended. I do feel like she
was almost putting on a Paris Hilton persona during that
quick Well. She used that voice all throughout the first
series of The Kardashians. I did see a lot of
people commenting that it almost came across as an SNL skit. Yeah,
it did have those vibes. It was actually written by
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a comedian, Michelle Wolf, so Kim didn't come up with
all of those funny lines. Don't know if I find
Kim Kardashian funny though it's sort of similar to SNL. Like,
I didn't laugh once at her skit, but I appreciate
what she's trying to do. Yeah. Well, a lot of
people were asking if it was some kind of April
Fool's joke. It's pretty funny because someone likened it to
(07:16):
that scene in Me and Girls where Regina George has
that singlet with holes cut out and starts this massive trend. Well,
when I saw the video, I did think, is this
actually a product that she's bringing out or just a
piss tape. No, it is definitely real because a lot
of people like that briarless look, but then they want
to actually have their boobs supported as well.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think this is going to sell out.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I saw a lot of women also commenting and saying
that this is great for women who've had misectomies. Yeah,
it also reminds me. I know we were talking about
Friends before, but on Friends, Jennifer Annison always had perfect
boobs and you could always see her nipples through her top.
It's interesting, though, because this isn't a thing that Kim
Kardashian has invented. Back in the nineteen sixties and seventies,
(07:55):
they actually did have these nipple bras as well, so
she's really bringing it back. Your stick on nipples were
also a thing back in the nineties, so this is
just something that she's reinvented, and she has done it
in a clever way. Because we're all talking about this video. Oh,
I think these are gonna sell out pretty quickly. Can't
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Content, So thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Jarda Tuint. She is dropping hints on an Instagram story
about what she'd liked to find under her Christmas tree.
She shared a photo of a Cartier watch and wrote
today I made a very optimistic Christmas wish list and
tagged the brand. I'm guessing she's either dropping hints to
the brand or to her husband Lockie. Is there any
potential that this could be a paid sponsored opportunity. Maybe
(09:21):
she's been told by the brand to start posting about
them as a perfect Christmas gift. Well, it's not really
a perfect Christmas gift because the watch costs fifty two
thousand dollars, so I don't know who is actually going
to be putting this on their wish It's kind of
like our discussion a couple of weeks ago about snaz
Jana having a eight hundred dollars pair of jeans and
(09:41):
what's the point of her promoting that to her audience
who probably can't afford it. But for Jarday, she does
quite often promote high end luxury brand, so she must
have some sort of audience who do then click onto
those brands and actually purchase them. But I don't think
making the promotion around this being an item that you
want for Chris dismiss something that is relatable or really reasonable,
(10:03):
particularly in the cost of living crisis. I'm guessing that
Lockie is hoping that Cartier comes through with the goods
because he would not want to be buying This is
becoming a pet peeve of mine though. People trying to
get free shit, so they put up a question box
and say, oh, what sort of pram should I get
or what sort of paint should I use for my renovation?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Whatever it is. It's called google, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Google it, or ask a friend, because at the end
of the day, we all have these tools available to us,
and you're clearly putting it out there so that then
the brand contacts.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You're fishing that fishing is a fishing.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Expedition, so then you can say, oh, hey, guys, actually
these guys reached out to me, and it's another excuse
to mention it on your story. It's always funny when
you see someone do that and then like a week
later they seem to be tagging this brand and being like, Oh,
I just came across this, and I love it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think people can see through it though.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Followers are becoming so much smarter and aware of this
type of marketing. Yeah, well, what do you guys think
about dropping hints for Christmas presents?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Personally.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I love when someone drops hints. My partner is very
good at dropping hints about what he wants of birthdays
or Christmas.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Not subtle about it. No, I mean, but.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There's bad when someone says, oh, I don't know, because
then you have the stress of trying to track something down.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm that person that says I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I want a surprise, because for me, it's kind of
like a test to see how well they know me.
Just this week, we were talking about Christmas presents and
we were saying, oh, it's been an expensive year with
Sophia getting a house and the cost of living and everything.
And we were saying, oh, maybe we should just go
in and do a Chris Kringle or something with partners
for gifts, because often I will buy Sophie a gift,
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and then you'll buy day ly gift and it's just
so many presents, and sometimes you just get all this
stuff that you don't even necessarily want or need, and
it takes so long to pick everything as well, but
I loved As we were discussing it, we then came
to the conclusion that no, politically, we needed to actually
get every single person a present, because that's it works
with the in laws as well, and it's got to
(12:02):
match up. It's got to be fair also because of
the cost of living crisis, and you're not going out
and buying everything you want. I actually have a hefty
list of things that I already want, So I need
to know. Have you guys ever asked for anything that's
been really unrealistic for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Maybe as a kid, what like a cartier was.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, as a kid, I remember asking for like a
puppy or some kind of pet. And that's actually becoming
a really unrealistic and expensive gift now.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Because if you look at the cost of puppy, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
All four and a half six and half grades.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's an ongoing cost as well.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, I remember finding a Christmas list that I'd written
for Nana, and I put like a white mouse at
the top of the list.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
For some reason, when you were in year three or four.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Did everyone else have this where having a mouse as
a pet was like the coolest thing.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It was because of the book Matilda.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Oh and can I just add obviously you're not meant
to buy pets at Christmas time.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
They're not a Christmas gift for a lifelong lift.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I don't think that I've ever asked for something that
over the top. My partner and I do cop a
bit of shit because we not that presence is our
love language, but we yeah, well they usually are, don't Brandon.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But I wouldn't necessarily say it's for me. It's just
the first TIMEE making an effort.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
There's nothing wrong with presents being your love language either.
It's just it's as long as you both know it
if you're in a relation.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, well, we've discussed this year.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Now that we've bought our house, we're like, let's just
not go to nuts.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Let's just you know, take it back and say that though.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And then there's this always this one up yeah, where
someone's like, oh, I might just add this.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, just starts going to Marley, hat to Marley.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And he turned to us and he goes sing along
nineties kids around the country. Are feeling extra nostalgic this
week with the release of the wiggles new documentary called
Hot Potato. The documentary seems to be hitting us all
in the fields with TikTok flooded with videos of grown
adults crying whilst watching the documentary. Now, I watched this
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whilst I was away from my partner's thirtieth and I
have had the Wiggle stuck in my head all weekend.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Were you one of the people crying?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, I wasn't crying, but I did find myself just
sitting there smiling happily because it was just I loved
seeing all of the old photos of them when they
were back in the nineties and so young, and they
just looked so excited and happy to be performing. The
thing that really stood out to me in this doco
is how much strategy went into actually putting the Wiggles
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together as a band, because three of the guys actually
studied childhood education and a lot of what they learned
at university actually went into the song making process.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Well.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I always remember hearing that the Wiggles all used to
be part of an eighties rock group which was called
the cock Croaches, but it turns out that it was
just Anthony and Jeff.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Who were part of that group.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That surprised me too.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, and it's so cute because Greg used to be
the president of their fan club, so he was in
awe of Anthony, and Anthony kind of took Greg under
his wing and said, look, mate, you.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Can't be part of this club forever.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Why don't we all go on to do childhood education together?
And Anthony told him that it would be the perfect
job because this sort of job would allow you to
sing every day and be creative. So Greg thought it
was a good idea. But on the side they started
the Wiggles. Another thing that shocked me was the big
age difference between the guys. So Greg was the youngest.
He was only nineteen when the Wiggles formed, and Jeff
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was thirty eight. See I always thought that Anthony was
youngest because he's still in Yeah, so Anthony was twenty
eight and Murray was thirty one. And it's wild because
Jeff today is seventy years old and Greg's only fifty one.
And no disrespect to Greg, because he was actually my
favorite in the Wiggles, but I thought he was far
older and I think it's because you know, they do
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speak about it a lot in the documentary, but he's
gone through a range of health issues. But I also
have to add I think he was the hottie of
the group back.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
In the day.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Look, I don't really think that there were any hotties.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Like I'm not trying to be rude, like they were
no great style.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I think when you look back and see them performing
as a group at the start, you can tell that
Greg is a lot younger. What surprised me was the
fact that he was such a big fan of Anthony
growing up, yet he kind of was.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
The lead in the band.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I have heard from a lot of mums though, that
Anthony was the pick. Maybe this is before we've had
the Purple Wiggle, who's absolutely ripped now because he had
really bright teeth. He was clear that he whitened his teeth,
and he was quite musky, had a few tattoos going
on underneath that skivvy. When they were doing all their
shows in the US, I said to Rees at one
point watching it, when did Anthony get all buff?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Because at some point they were.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Doing like surp Desole type of performances within the Wiggles
concert so they had to actually get really fit. Yeah, well,
if we rewind a bit to their early university days,
I didn't realize that Anthony's brother, John used to go
around busking with them, and I think he was actually
originally part of one of their first songs, and he
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actually came up with the song hot Potato. So when
he was out busking, he just came up randomly with
the term hot to Marley, and the song was so catchy.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He didn't come up with the term hot to.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Marley, however, he came up with the song saying hot
to Marley, Hot to Marley, and it was so catchy
that they thought, oh, this is going to make a
great children's song. Hot, but they knew the Ossie kids
would have no idea what a Tamalley was, so they
changed it to potato. So that was sort of the
start of the Wiggles. I feel like so many things
surprised me in this docay, But another thing that really
stood out was the fact that this John guy seemed
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to have written a lot of their hits. So he
came up with the hot Potato thing, but he also
came up with let's get ready to wiggle. Yeah, well,
he is now their manager, so obviously he's probably getting
a lot of their royalty, So yeah, he hopes.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He seemed to be the brains behind a lot of
the songs, but so did Anthony. Anthony seemed to be
the most creative out of the girl. He was really
the driving force behind the Wiggles. How about how they
took a song from the Cockroaches and kept the music
but just changed the words so it would.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Be Dorothy the Dinosaur.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Well, can you believe that the ABC actually tried to
scrap Dorothy the Dinosaur Because the Wiggles took their show
to the ABC in the early days and asked them
to produce it, and one of the producers told them
that their show was too cringe and that they wanted
to get rid of Dorothy. And by this stage, Dorothy
was a cult figure amongst the group.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's pretty cute because.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Jeff had even begun making Dorothy the Dinosaur legionnaire's hats
because they realized that the kids wanted to pretend to
be Dorothy they loved her so much. Again, there was
so much strategy behind the characters that they had accompanied
them because Anthony said that all kids loved dinosaurs at
that time, and she appealed to the female fans. And
then they introduced Captain feather Sword because Anthony said every
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party they went to there was always a pirate, but
they didn't want him to be violent, so they gave
him a feather sword. Well, because of these creative differences,
the Wiggles actually ended up independently creating their own series.
I also found it fascinating to hear that the yellow
skivvy was the least popular skivy, So when they were
picking who would wear what, apparently Greg got the sho
(19:00):
short straw because both Greg and Anthony wanted the blue skivvy,
but apparently Greg wasn't.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Quick enough to react together.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, what didn't make sense to me was when you
saw photos from them back in the early days, Anthony
was actually wearing a green skivy. No one had a
blue lie. I think it was aqua marine or just
a different kind of blue. Do you think they went
from t shirts to skivvy's because Anthony started getting tattoos,
because at one point he was showing off all his tattoos,
And I'm like, ah, is that why they were so Maybe?
(19:27):
Also perhaps because kids wear Skivvy's growing up, and maybe
it was a way to connect with them. I can
see where they were coming from with the yellow Skivvy
because yellow is a hard color to pull off. I
feel like blue is a lot more fluttering on many
different skin tones, and also probably like a more favorite
color amongst kids. And we've got to remember they actually
brought the colors in because they thought that the kids
wouldn't remember their names, but they could remember which color
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they are. So that's how it all started, the Yellow Wiggle,
the Blue Wiggle. It's wild that the most unpopular color
became the person who was the lead singer in the group,
and now all of the new Wiggles members coming.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Forward to be yellow.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Because I've always had a soft spot for Greg, which
is why it was so interesting to find out more
about why he left the Wiggles in two thousand and six.
So it couldn't have been worse timing for the group
because they were absolutely dominating in the US, so much
so that they sold out Madison Square Gardens twelve times over,
and they were performing these big back to back shows
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and there was so much high energy in their performance.
And it all started when Greg actually passed out at
one show, so they originally thought he'd passed out from exhaustion,
but it kept happening. Yeah, they eventually discovered that he
had a condition called orthostatic intolerance, which makes performing very difficult.
So basically, for Greg, his heart can't pump enough blood
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around his body when he stands up, which then causes
him to lose balance and feint. And the condition is
not life threatening, but it's one that Greg has to
manage for the rest of his life. And he was
only thirty four when he made the decision to leave
the group. So he did pass the yellow skin give
it on to Sam Moran, and in the documentary you
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can tell that that is quite a touchy subject still
for Sam, because just five years later Greg decided that
he wanted to come back and they pretty much just
discarded Sam.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, to be fair, Greg said, that's actually just how.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
The media reported on it, and it wasn't actually true.
What I was shocked about was that they said that
Greg had actually signed his way out of the business,
So I was like, well, what did that mean when
he came back like he was still getting royalty. He's
one part of the documentary that they could have improved
was going more into the business side of things, because
surely Greg would have still had royalties to all of
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the music because he was involved in creating the songs.
Maybe they meant that he'd signed his way out of
having any calling any shots when it came to business,
or they actually said that they paid him out. So
I wonder how that worked when he wanted to come back. Well,
it was the first time that the Wiggles received any
real negative publicity when Sam left the group, and I
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went back and had a look. And there's an article
from twenty twelve in the Daily Telegraph and it said
that Sam was ostracized by the other Wiggles and nicknamed
the salary Wiggles. So he reportedly was on two hundred
thousand dollars a year, which was just a fraction of
the twenty eight point two million dollars that the band
was making. See, I don't have a problem with them
giving him a salary because the Wiggles were already at
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their peak of popularity. It's not like Sam helped build
them up and make them successful. I mean it would
be difficult though, if you're the only one not getting
as much and you're out touring because it's quite clear
how much they were touring because they were spending a
lot of time away from their families and young kids.
I found that whole discussion about them spending time away
from their families quite awkward because it was clear there
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was a bit of a resentment coming from the Wiggles kids.
And can you imagine being their kids and seeing them
out spending all this time entertaining other children and making
them happy, and you're at home without your dad. It
would be really hard as a kid. I remember Murray
saying in the documentary that his child was saying, oh,
I hate music now because it takes daddy away, and
that was a sign for him where he's like, oh
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my god, I've got to stop touring. I wonder if
their kids actually grew up watching The Wiggles, because obviously
parents just pop it on every parent in Australia have
their kids. They actually did because Anthony's daughter, who ironically
is now a Wiggle herself, she was saying that she
couldn't quite work out why her dad was also the
Blue Wheel.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, She's like, I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I got so confused with dad and Anthony And now
that she is also a blue Wiggle because now they've
got a set of each color. Yeah, so she's a
blue Wiggle and she said it's really weird for her
to call her dad Anthony on the show we can't
not talk about the Wiggles Live show. How funny was
it seeing thirty to forty year olds absolutely going nuts
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for hot tail for salad, They knew all of the moves,
the people dressed as Dorothy the Dinosaur. I'm hanging out
for a High Five reunion because I think that the
High Five songs were almost for a bit of an
older demographic, whereas I don't know if I could get
as behind like.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
A fruit saladtong.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I kind of get it though, because if he went
to say a nightclub and the Wiggles came on, I
mean we were at a pub crawl when there were
the Wiggles were out and about having drinks, and think
how excited everyone was.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Do we have to mention that story again?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Last time we mentioned it it got picked up in
the Daily Male, and I feel like, maybe we've got
one journal who listens to this who might find it
funny again now that the Wiggles are in just recurred
to take that story yeah, just a bit of a well,
I mean, the pre story is pretty brief. We met
them at a journalism pub crawl. Yeah, and they were
so chilled and down to earth. And I recently read
(24:41):
in an article that Anthony said that people find it
weird when they see him out having a.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Beer and like, oh wait, you're having a beer, and
he's like, I'm not a child. I do go out
and have a good.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
D It was a bit like our chat with Nathan
from High five. He said he experienced the same thing.
So when we met the Wiggles, it was Anthony, Murray
and Sa.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm pretty sure Jeff wasn't there. He's probably asleep.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And I remember that somehow they managed to follow our
Facebook accounts even though we didn't tell them out look
to be fair, I think it was just Sam and
the dog. Yeah, so Wags was there, and we've now
been friends with Wags for probably over ten years.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I've seen him get married, have kids. They were all
the loveliest guys. They were so nice.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I remember they were like, if you ever need to
interview us for anything, maybe we need to do our
own deep.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So I actually would love that. Let's get onto that.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Sam Moran seems to have his own story. They didn't
get told that documentary. A lot of people were saying
that maybe Emma the Yellow Wiggle also has a story
to tell, because she did. She was in the doco,
but she didn't upload anything to Instagram to promote it,
and she also wasn't at the premiere of it. But
isn't Emma married to Sam nine.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
No Amy a lot of mums at home. No, So
Emma was married to the Purple Wiggle who's called Lockie.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So they started dating in twenty fifteen. They then got
engaged in twenty sixteen, but then everything fell apart and
they got divorced two years later. So they had to
perform together in the Wiggles for three years until Emmett
then lest it was a bit of a Nathan Kelly
high five man. Yeah, they did sort of briefly touch
on it in the doco and she said, oh, you know,
(26:24):
we were just very professional, But I mean, yeah, I
think probably more went on behind the scenes there. What
about the absolute blasphemy when they changed wake Up Jeff
to wake Up Locky.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I didn't realize that happened. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Jeff was like, I like to think that the kids
enjoyed the first version a bit more.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wasn't Jeff just a legend as well? I love him
so much.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
Thank you so much for joining us for today's show.
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