Lily Brown appears to take a swipe at Sophadopa for bringing out rival pyjamas. Makeup entrepreneur Hilary Holmes publicly shames a male passenger for his body language… AND the public influencer break up that just keeps getting worse.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
On today's show, Lily Brown appears to take a swipe
at sofa Dofer for bringing out rival pajamas. Makeup entrepreneur
Hillary Holmes publicly shames a male passenger for his body
language and the public influencer breakup that just keeps getting worse.
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
(00:24):
hottest influencer and pop.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Culture news twice a week.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm Sophie Torbert and I come with some disturbing news.
Apparently Facebook pokes are back. I don't believe it. I
haven't received one yet. I'm probably should be offended because
it was the way back in the twenty tens to
flirt with people. Yeah, it sort of turned into this
seed thing where it was guys who didn't have the
nerve to speak to you or who didn't know how
(00:47):
to strike up a conversation. They would just click a
button and it will send you a poke because it
sort of nudged you as a reminder maybe to talk
to them. Because on MySpace, remember they had something called
a nudge and if you pressed, it would shake your
whole computer. That was msn That wasn't face. Oh I'm
getting cays and that's the thing. The poke started having
this really negative connotation. No one wanted to use it
(01:08):
because it came across as just sleazy. Yeah, that's why
I got phased out. But it is having a resurgence.
Apparently young people are bringing it back, but I question
that because who's actually on Facebook that is young.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
The worst thing is back in the day, there used
to be just a button that you would press and
it said poke. Now you actually have to search for
the poke. And I did some research before getting on
the mix today. I searched poke and it came up
with some random people I didn't know who poked me
in twenty seventeen and twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And then it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Gives you this list of people a suggestions to poke,
and at the top of the list was my old
chief of staff, and I thought that's not going to
go down. Well, I'm tempted to send reci poke just
to see what he does and if it actually comes up, Yeah,
it does it come up as a notification. Let's start
sending some pokes out.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Apparently the poke was actually one of the first features
of Facebook, so it was there before the like and
the comment is this the way of trying to get
younger people back on Facebook. I think so, and if
I am Facebook, I'm also bringing back the notification in
terms of when you add someone, because I remember in
the news feed it used to always pop up that
after a big weekend, guys would be adding all of
(02:15):
these girls.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And you could comment on it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh, Sophy, that used to trigger you so much. Remember
you would have mental breakdowns.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh, I would be keeping.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
A steady eye on my ex boyfriend who his friends
were that weekend. But they also used to have something
similar on Instagram where you could actually track who was following,
who were marking stuff, and that caused.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
A lot of problems.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I would sit there scrolling through every single thing just
for his name to pop up.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It was so sad.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You used to also track your ex boyfriend's snapchat count,
so it used to show you how many snapchats that
person had sent. And sometimes you're like, I know he's
talking to a girl and we'd be like how, And
you'd have it in your notes written down how many times.
It wasn't just me who did that. I had friends
who also did that. It was who I'm not going
to name names on the podcast, but they were friends
(03:00):
who also did it, and it was worse when they
had the best friends list and you could keep a
track of who they were messaging.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Anyway, I think.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Once it gets to a point where you're keeping tally
on your notes about how many Snapchat, someone said, you've
got to delete the app.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Also, my loves, I'm just going to give you a reminder.
I know I'm not perfect, and it's very clear, and
i know that I've got to learn lessons of just
like completely private, like just not sharing any of this
stuff on socials.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Over the weekend, makeup entrepreneur Hillary Holmes snapped a photo
of her and an unknown male passenger on public transport.
The body positive activist said the photo highlighted how men's
body language can make plus size women feel unsafe and insecure,
and slammed it as something immature men do. The response
wasn't one she expected, with many saying this is simply
(03:50):
the way considerate people sit on public transport. Now, before
we dive in, so who is Hillary Holmes? Well, she
is a Melbourne makeup artist and she has her own
makeup brand called home Beauty, which she has grown into
a multi million dollar business, and she provides a lot
of master classes and also has her own range of
specialized makeup products. I swear I've seen her on Victoria
(04:13):
Devine's Instagram account. I think Victoria may have been an
ambassador for one of her products.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Ch well.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
She seems to move in a lot of those Melbourne
circles because Michelle Andrews and Zara McDonald also follow her
on Instagram. And her whole brand is centered on inclusivity
because she really developed a love for makeup in her
teenage years because she was overweight as a teenager and
she found that makeup was the only thing that didn't
discriminate on size. So that's really the messaging behind her
(04:40):
brand now. On her Instagram, a couple of years ago,
she opened up about how she had bariatric surgery, which
helped her lose fifty kilograms, but she also said to
open the door to some new issues. So she wrote,
I saw myself go from undesired and unappreciated in society
to very swiftly. I was able to fit into a
standard size range and people treated me very very differently.
(05:04):
Now that we are up to speed, I think we
should dive into what happens so over the weekend, Hillary
posted a photo to her Instagram story of her traveling
on public transport. Now, I actually don't know how she
took this photo because it's from the point of view
of someone sitting opposite her.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I wondered if a friend had taken this photo or
she used one of the sticky things on the back
of your phone to actually take this photo herself.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It was a very odd shot.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah. But to the exchange, they like, excuse me, can
you just film this for a second, because man's about
to be quite rude.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
His body language is off. Can you play a film?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
For those who haven't seen the photo. In the picture,
Hillary is sitting on the window side while a young
man is sitting next to her and she is looking
at the window while the man has his body slightly
turned away from her and he's looking at his phone.
I do want to point out that the man's face
is in full view and has not been blurred. Hillary
captured the story, curveys. Is this the body language you
(06:01):
get from younger guys all the time? I get it
all the time, especially when I was one hundred kilograms plus.
Mostly boys were immature guys. But it's something I've always
been super conscious of I speak with Ben all the
time about how men's body language is super important to women,
how it can intrude, make you feel unsafe, insecure, etc.
(06:22):
We talk about how safe men can encourage women to
feel with their presence. I use these experiences and knowledge
to create conversations with Ben and mindful how I raise
Obie to be aware of Adelaide and girls he is
around now for context, Ben is Hillary's husband and Obie
and Adelaide are her kids. Now. This post did elicit
a very strong response in our Facebook community. Many listeners
(06:44):
were confused as to why Hillary was actually offended in
the first place. So one listener wrote, I'm so confused.
Is she saying she's offended because he is turning away
from her and is saying it's because she's kirby If
he was facing her and too close, that would be
an issue and that would make her uncomfortable. Whilst another
listener said that man's body language is doing the opposite
(07:06):
of intrude. Poor bloke sitting there minding his own business
and trying to create some space between him and the
person next to him. Another listener weighed in, saying, honestly,
as a fat woman sometimes I feel like people are
shifting away from me because I'm fat. I think it
speaks to her self esteem, which is kind of sad. Fortunately,
I now give zero fux what other people think about
(07:27):
my weight. She continued, saying, also, I try to see
how the guy is too, so I'm not in anyone's way,
and if he sat closer, he'd be judged for.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Invading her space.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Probably should have blurred out his face now. Hilary responded
to the criticism, saying the mistake she made was posting
a story that didn't give enough context.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Let's write a more of what she said.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I guess I raised it to bring up a conversation
that I think impacts a lot of people because I
talk about it with people and that is how they
feel safe with body language and whatever. So I raised
that conversation, but also remembering amongst that it's me maybe
potentially having a trauma response and feeling that and me
not handling it correctly. But sometimes empathy being caught on
(08:09):
something is far stronger than an opinion being shared and
a private in a private group. Could you think that
that makes you feel like a better person to judge
that person in that moment? Empathy, always for the win,
but I'm always here to have conversation if you're up
for it in my DM, privately or on the phone
or in person wherever. I'd rather have it to my
face than behind my back. Always, always, always.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Being straight sized women, we don't have the lived experience
of what it's actually like being in a bigger body
and feeling that judgment on public transport or just in
general day to day life. And I think that it
is a really important and interesting conversation to have. And
I think that that was her intention. She was trying
to ignite a broader discussion regarding body language and also
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being aware of how it's potentially making others feel in
saying that. I just think that she who went about
it in the completely wrong way. In my opinion, it
just looks like this guy is sitting the way that
most of us would sit next to anyone on public transport.
I know, whenever I'm on a bus or a tram,
I generally turn my body away because I want to
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give the person next to me a lot of space.
And I'd be more likely to also turn away if
it was someone of the opposite sex as well. I
think men are getting a bit scared to go out
in public these days because everyone seems to be filming
them for some sort of TikTok, Like it's either at
the gym people are filming to try and get men's
reaction in the background.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And also maybe that's why he looks so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yes, it's not sure how the photo was actually taken,
but as you said, it was a rather strange angle
that looks like someone either was taking it opposite him. So,
I mean, people think they're being really sneaky when they're
taking photos, but nine out of ten times you do
know someone is taking a secret photo of you, or
that she's stuck her phone up and is filming her
journey home.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We're only seeing a snapshot of this man's behavior on
public transport. I mean, who know, he could have done
some other things which made Hillary feel uncomfortable, but in
this photo it literally looked like he was doing nothing wrong.
And the fact that she didn't go and blur out
his face but then labeled him as immature and not
a safe man. I mean, to this huge community of people,
(10:17):
can you imagine if you saw your partner popping up
on one of these pages innocently sitting on a train
or his boss sees him and it's like, hang on,
what have you been doing? This photo of you has
gone viral and literally just sitting next to someone on
a public transport. Again, I agree, that's literally how I
would sit next to someone. I am so conscious of
not trying to get into people's personal space, and likewise,
(10:38):
I don't like it when people are in my personal.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Space, and that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Body language can be so subjective, So I mean, someone
could be just having a bad day and maybe they're
upset and it's nothing about how they feel about you.
But I think in this situation, she was really projecting
her own feelings onto this guy and maybe some experiences
that she had in the past.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
A really excited well really excited data.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
But I'm going to have a good day to day
another week.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Another relationship update from UK YouTuber Saffron Baker. Just over
two weeks ago, Saffron sparked break up rumors when she
unfollowed her NFL hopeful boyfriend Lewis Reesambert. At the time,
she also liked comments on her posts that referred.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Lewis had cheated.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Now the following week, Saffron did a complete backflip and
hit back at claims that she'd broken up with the
former Welsh rugby player. She responded to a TikTok comment
saying it was all a big misunderstanding and that her
and Lewis were together and quote so happy. A source
even released a statement saying Saffron and Lewis are very
much together and have not split.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
They are happy in.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Their relationship and continue to focus on their careers. Lewis
has remained faithful to Saffron throughout their relationship and they
remain a strong couple navigating a long distance relationship. A
week appears to be a long time in the influencer world,
because on Friday, Saffron confirmed she is no longer in
a relationship with Lewis. She shared a statement to her
(12:07):
Instagram story saying she wanted to address the rumors but
wouldn't be going into any detail. She then went on
to thank her followers for their support and messages. I
don't think this came as a surprise to many of
her followers, though, because a lot of super sluths had
pieced it together again that they had unfollowed each other.
They'd remove photos of one another, and also Saffron was
(12:27):
putting up a lot of clues on her Instagram that
she was single and having fun without him. What about
on her TikTok because she was using that platform a
bit like how people would use MSN back in the day,
putting up these passive, aggressive song lyrics. She put up
her miming to Ariana Grande song Bye Boy and she
added the caption to the video when boyby Never felt
(12:48):
So Good. The best thing about that is that she
was alluding to the fact that she's going to spill
all of the goss on her podcast because she had
her podcast headphones on and had just sat down to record. Yeah.
She also mind to that part of Rihanna's song Same
Old Love when it says take away your things and go.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Can't take back what you said? Oh no, I've heard.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It all before at least a million times. What about
her mum's comment on that TikTok though she commented, Yes,
that's my girl. Don't let that lying, manipulative piece of
shit bring you down. The best bit is Wendy was
on Safari in Kenya at the time, and she took
time out of her holiday to back it up on
her own personal Instagram story, so she ended up sharing
(13:27):
Saffron's TikTok to her two hundred and sixty six thousand
followers and wrote, haven't had proper WiFi for days, but
that's more like my strong independent girl. Don't ever let
that disgusting, manipulative piece of shit ever stomp on your parade,
and she ended up deleting the story. I'm guessing that
Saffron made a message her and said take it down,
but she did then put up a quote that said
(13:49):
I hope Karma slapped him in the face before I do,
and then she added and then let's move on with
a smiling emoji. I bet she regrets setting up that
Valentine's Day h thing for him.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
If it could.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't get any more embarrassing for poor Saffron. Her
twelve year old cousin even appears to have gotten in
on the action of trolling Lewis. So Saffron has been
babysitting her younger cousins this week, and she ended up
tagging her cousin Archie in her Instagram story at one point,
and someone has spotted that the same account has been
writing troll comments on videos of Lewis, which include this
(14:22):
guy is a cheetah. Cheetah was spelt wrong, and another
comment said you can see his mini pecker. He is
done stupid guy who doesn't know how.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
To treat people.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Correct Now, I have to point out that this comment
was in reference to a photo dump that Lewis recently
put up, and he was wearing some very revealing they
were bike shorts and you could see everything, and a
lot of people in the comment section were saying, oh
my god, I think it looked at me because there
was such a distinctive outline, but it wasn't the most
flattering of photos. I actually really like that Saffron's family
(14:53):
have come out in her defense because it's clear this
guy has been a complete asshole to her and she's
probably dying to say something. Yeah, that's the thing everyone's saying. Oh,
it's embarrassing for her. She'd be embarrassing for him because
he's clearly the one that's done her wrong in this situation. Yeah,
but it'd be hard if your family are just going
rogue on stuff, like you would want some control over
how you're dealing with it publicly, like she probably would
(15:15):
prefer to come across as more mature than having her
mother say stuff. But maybe she thinks it looks better
coming from other people than from her year old would
come and saying he's got a small dick. Yeah, I
don't think that was really that good. Everyone is hoping
that she speaks about this on her podcast, where we
do have to wait for a couple of days before
that's released.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
However, she did release a.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
YouTube video on Sunday night entitled huge Life Update Trying
to Stay Positive and Future Plans. My finger clicked so
quickly on this YouTube video. Now, she vlogged her week
and I was like, gee, she seems really upbeat. But
by the second day that was when the shit must
have hit the fan, because she apologized to her audience
for not vlogging her evening because apparently something big happened.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Let's row to what she's said.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
I didn't really end up vlogging much yesterday, and I
do apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I ended up having one of the worst.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Evenings I want to say my life so far it was.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It was.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
To be honest, we've just like literally hell for me,
it's not there, it's been up, it's been down. It's
people's Yeah, I get into Yeah, exactly, I might, we're
going to get into it. But someone really close to
me has really really hurt my trust, and I tried
to forgive them when they clearly don't deserve any sort
of forgiveness.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
So, yeah, that's up.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I can't help but feel really sorry for her.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This would be so difficult to navigate in the public
eye when you're in your early twenties. I know that
she has made this relationship very public, and she did
do so very early on, but it still wouldn't make
any of this hurt any less. Yeah, it seems like
making the relationship really public has kind of helped her
in the end, though, because she did make a comment
on the vlog saying if it wasn't for some girls girls,
(16:57):
that she wouldn't know a lot of things. So it
seems like she has got an influx of messages from
girls at Lewis has been messaging, I assume, and I
got the vibe that he had made some cock and
ball story up while she was away in Dubai. Yes,
he obviously made some excuses up as to you know, oh,
I'm such a good guy, take me back. That was
a misunderstanding, and then she's caught this onslaught of people saying, no,
(17:21):
he's a fucking dickhead. He's talking to this girl. Yeah, well,
I mean early on he did have a reputation as
being a fuck boy, and I saw a lot of
commentary around the fact that he would message university students
really crude things about bananas and what they would do
allegedly allegedly, and he always seemed to be following and
then unfollowing Jemma Owen from Love Island, and it was
(17:42):
quite clear his ideal woman was a brunette, which seems
to be a parent now because he's adding all of
these famous brunettes. O. Saffron isn't a brunette for those
who don't actually follow her, she is blonde. The awkward
thing is he's gone and re followed Jemma Owens from
Love Island again and then followed her because she clearly
wasn't having any of it and didn't follow her that.
(18:03):
I also followed Caddie from Love Island. I can't think
of her last name.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
McDermott.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, she is a lot older than him, and apparently
she's headed to the US. So everyone has been keeping
an eye on their interactions with one another. The awkward
thing about Jenna Owen is she used to date Saffron's ex.
Do you know what gets even more complicated with that
is that the rumor is that Saffron was in Dubai
and allegedly cheated on her boyfriend Tyler with Luca Bish
(18:30):
and Saffron's only just got back from Dubai and that
was where their shit initially hit the fan. So Dubai
does not seem to be a very good place for her.
Getting back to this vlog, it was quite awkward because
she also mentioned that she's getting a three year visa
for the US, which means she'll be able to work
on her acting, and originally she was talking about moving
(18:51):
over there to be.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
With him, so that would be another slap in the face.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
There is this really awkward grab going viral of her
on TikTok where she said that she would move to
the US for Lewis if he got accepted by the NFL,
and I just feel so sorry for that. She's clearly
trying to save face because she was probably telling friends
and family, Oh, I'm going to go over for Lewis,
but it's more so for my actor. Yeah. Well, her
and Imagen, which is Saffron Barker's brother's girlfriend. They are
(19:16):
actually going to LA this week and they were very
excited about it, and she said she's doing some acting
classes over there and Imagen's doing some dancing classes. She
really was trying to push that she's very happy and
that she's focused on this career, but you can tell
behind the scenes she'd be absolutely devastating. Well, she's only
just found out that her boyfriend's cheating on her. Yeah,
it's interesting to look at how Lewis is dealing with
this breakup because it's the complete opposite. He is acting
(19:39):
like nothing has happened. He's been sharing videos of himself
at the NFL camp as normal, and a sports website
has been reporting that the twenty three year old is
in a three way tug of war between American NFL
sides offering him around nine hundred thousand dollars a year
to sign up for their summer training squads. Now, Lewis
has been quoted as saying that he he was disappointed
(20:01):
with his performance time in a forty yard sprint in
front of NFL scouts. Now, I do wonder if he's
been distracted by all this relationship drama going down. It's
so mean but funny at the same time, because a
video of his sprint has gone on to TikTok and
people have been commenting saying that he was sprinting away
from Saffron when she showed him images of their Ai
(20:23):
babies that she created. I couldn't first out laughing when
I saw this. There are a lot of people who
are taking pleasure in this, and I think most of
those people are teenage girls who had a crush on Lewis,
And a lot of people seem to be taking this
really seriously and probably too far, because people have been
tracking the tweets that Saffron has been liking, and one said,
I have a new level of respect for Saffron Baker.
(20:45):
Get it all out, girl. We want to know everything
our scirls find out. Remember that now Saffron clearly wears
a heart on her sleeve, and we do need to
remember she's only twenty three and she is living in
a world where she feels that she needs to share
all of these personal moments. So I am sure she
is heavily regretting all of the things that she shared
recently on social media, because when he left the US.
(21:07):
She shared a video about him being her soul mate
and we have spoken about on the show that elaborate
Valentine's Day set up.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
There was also this love.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Letter thing, so she filmed herself reading a love letter
that Lewis had sent her, and it had the caption
point of view, You've got the man you've dreamed of
your entire life, long distance, but he writes you love letters.
I would be taking all of that shit down. It's
still up on it, Tair.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You know what, this is a lesson for all young girls.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
If someone is too good to be true, generally they are.
But everyone's acting like, oh, Saffron's been a psycho in
this situation. He still sent her the love note saying
what about. In her vlog how she basically dropped that
she was having to return something to Louis Verton and
he had got her Louis Viton's shoes for Valentine's Day.
So everyone's gone, She's got it. She's returning the shoes.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
See. I wondered differently.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I thought maybe because she has got this trip planned
to the US. I thought she potentially has bought him
something and it's hard to return her I just really
hope that she actually goes into on her podcast. I
know she said that she won't be dropping any more details,
but I think that that's a big, fat lie, particularly
with the way her family and friends are being carrying on.
I think that she wants everyone to know just how
(22:16):
badly he has hurt her. And also I think it's
almost a warning to other girls to stay away from him.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, on her podcast, where there's obviously shit was hitting
the fan and we weren't sure what was going on.
She sounded so flat like she barely even said anything
on the most recent episode, so I think it's going
to be fairly obvious what the goal is and how
she's feeling. I think it will be hard for her
not to say anything.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Sorry.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
I don't care if it sounds ungrateful, but like, babe.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Please, Sky Wheatley and Lily Brown have taken a trip
down memory lane, exploring what really went on behind the
scenes of Australia's infamous influencer Click. During the hour long podcast,
Lily also appeared to take a swipe at Sofa Do
for bringing out rival pajamas to kick things off. So
how did Sky and Lily become friends in the first place. Well,
(23:07):
in this episode, they explained that they met through Shannee
Grimmin and Michael Finch and basically they would hang out
for Sunday sessions at a bar called The Fox, and
there was a lot of binge drinking going on, and
this is how they formed their friendship. So at the time,
Shanni and Michael were at the top of.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Their influencing careers.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
To put it into perspective, they were selling merch lines
with Beginning Boutique, which had their own slogans across them,
and they were also packing out males for meat and
greet So it was quite opportunistic of Sky and Lily
to become.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Friends with them.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
In saying that, though Sky has famed from Big Brothers,
so I think Michael Finch actually watched her and Big
brother and there was a sort of mutual fangirling going on,
whereas with Lily, I found her so opportunistic. Yeah, from
the start, Like I remember I used to watch all
of their vlogs and I was like, who's this girl
trying to get in on her?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Do you blame her?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Though?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I mean she was so young at the time, like
everyone wanted to be their friend. There would have been
so many people coming out of the woodwork trying to
be friends with them. This friendship group also consisted of
Rannie Brandsby, and I think that the fact that they
had this group is why they were so popular, because
they were sort of these side characters that really complimented
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the main characters, and they were a lot stronger together
because viewers loved their dynamic, and they also enjoyed speculating
who was fighting with who behind the scenes. And this
was happening a lot because it all blew up on
this infamous US trip. So we actually have done a
deep dive on this trip before, but you could just
tell by watching each person's vlog that there was so
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much tension between all of the people on the trip.
I think the root of the tension though, was Sky Wheatley. Yeah,
you could tell everyone was just so over her. Yeah,
well it was confirmed in the podcast. Here's what they said.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
When we went to that restaurant. Last time we went
to this restaurant. Who had a fight was you? Me
and Michael.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I don't even remember what I was in New York
and the last night and oh.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
That's right, I had a drink and Michael was like, ah,
here comes guys alter.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Ego, and I'm like, fair, to be fair, we'd seen
some shit with you and that goddamn alter ego.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Man memory, I left you in the street one.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I felt like I was a really drunk, messy one
that would always just be left behind.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Well no, okay, okay, not putting me, but people were like,
fuck off. Well, everyone was just trying to manage you,
and you weren't listening.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
One can manage me.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It was just it was driving everybody mad.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
And there was just one night where we got we
actually got an uber back to I think we were
staying at Michael's Plaze, and we got an uber back
to Michaels Blaze.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And she was just so out of control, out of control.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
We left her.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
We literally left her in the road out in the
front of Michael's apartment. She knew where she was.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
We were just like, okay, you're not coming right, that's it,
We're done.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
We're gone, bye bye. You know where you're going.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It sounds like she was very difficult to be around.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I mean, I got that vibe in the vlogs and
I wasn't even on the trip because she was so loud.
She would always be singing her name. I mean, it's
probably very entertaining on a reality TV show like Big Brother,
and now she's on I'm a celeb, Get me out
of here, and people are loving it.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
But God, you wouldn't want to be living with.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That on a holiday.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I to add to it, apparently she would always say
to Michael, we're so famous. And I do wonder if
this got a lot of the other people on the
trip's noses out of joint because at the time, there
were paparazzi following Sky around on this trip, and it's
quite funny because obviously Shanie and Michael were probably the
big deals back in Australia. Yeah, there was definitely jostling
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for who was more important on this trip. I have
to take my hat off to Lily, though. She did
ask a lot of questions that I wanted to know.
So she asked Sky whether her partner Lockie was going
to propose anytime soon, and she did touch on this
in a recent Q and A that she had actually
told him not to propose. We found out that this
was actually a part of her thirtieth birthday celebrations from
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a couple of weeks ago, so Sky discovered ahead of
time that her friend Live had asked Locke if he
needed some help planning her birthday, and apparently he responded
saying that he had something very special planned and had
it all under control. Now. Being best friends, Live around
to Sky and gave her heads up on what was
going on. Let's throw to the grab.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I said to Lockie, don't you dare propose to me
on my thirtieth birthday? Babe, split the dates up. Come on,
We're not doing a two in one.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Sorry.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
I don't care if it sounds ungrateful, but like, babe,
please please don't do it the thirtieth birthday.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
That's like a big deal.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
But then okay, so would your marger so your anniversary
would also be on your birthday exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I see where Sky's coming from. I personally wouldn't want
to be proposed to on my birthday either, because it
sort of takes shine away from the day on a
separate day when someone proposes to you, so you can
have a separate anniversary. To be fair to Lockey, though,
I think that Sky would have a lot of prerequisites
around this engagement, so she would want to look very
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nice particularly if it's being filmed or photographed. So I
can see why guys piggyback off certain events because they know, hey,
all their friends are there, They're gonna enjoy sharing the
moment with them, They're gonna look nice.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I can see why he was gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Then, my sister in law actually got proposed to on
her birthday, and she had just run a half marathon,
And when I got told, I thought, holy fuck. I
hope that he wasn't stupid enough to do it when
she crossed the finishing line.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Now, no one wants that.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, no one wants that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Thankfully, he was smart enough let her have a shower,
put some makeup on, and then had a surprise ready
for her in the laundrym I just think you're probably
just so grateful to actually get proposed to that you're like,
wouldn't I mean, I probably wouldn't have cared if it
was on our birthday, only my only thought would be
that it would piss you guys off sharing our birthday.
To be fair, we got and I got proposed to
on the same day, on Christmas Eve, And I suppose
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you could say that Christmas Eve is a day where
you can't really go out and celebrate an anniversary as well.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's not the same. He's bothered by that.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Pretty keen about that.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
But do you have a proposal anniversary because normally the
wedding is, you know, a year or so after, So
I feel like your wedding anniversary, trump's any sort of
proposal anniversary.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I'm struggling to know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I know it was in early May, but my black
friend remember what day was? Protest? People like doing throwback
photos that on Instagram, and I can imagine that's something
Sky Wheatley would so.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Sadly that you're that you're concerned.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
About not able to do that on Christmas, even do
it on Christmas Eve. Anyway, Anyways, I thought it was
pretty interesting in this interview when they started talking about
the renovations on Sky's Haunted Mansion, as she calls it,
because Sky actually revealed how much they've put into the
renovations so far. So she confirmed that they purchased the
abandoned mansion for nine hundred and seventy thousand dollars back
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in twenty nineteen, and they've all also taken out a
loan for six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for renovations. Now,
these are major renovations. I think they've been renovating the
house ever since they moved in, so it's nearly been
five years. She did say that they recently had the
house valued and it came back as being worth between
one point two million and one point five, which surprised
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me because this is a massive mansion. They put so
much time and effort into this house. It has been
a really long process because Lockie has been doing the
majority of the renovations himself if but they haven't actually
finished the renolds yet. I am sure they are going
to probably double what they spent on this house. I mean,
I'm shocked that it's still being valued, as you said
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in the one point two to one point five, because
I would have thought alone, without them doing anything to
this house, that it would have gone up way more. Yeah,
because you see some absolute shitholes that sell for one
point two and they're like a two bedroom house closer
to the city. It might be because this house, well
she described it as being in the stick, so it
seems to be a far way away from the city.
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I did find it interesting because Lily mentioned that her
and Jet are currently house hunting, but they've been put
off with how expensive it is and the interest rates,
just like everyone else. But she kept making quite a
few comments about the fact that she hasn't got as
much money as people think she has. So, like she
spoke about how she wanted to go to this meditation
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person and she actually had to cancel her appointments because
she didn't have enough money to fund it. And I
was like, wow, that's a really interesting insight because you
just assume that these influencers have so much money to spend. Yeah,
but she said in the past, isn't that because of
her pajama line, Like she puts so much of her
money back into the business. Yeah. Well, she was very
candid about her business as well. Both of the women
(31:41):
were so Sky runs Good People Apparel with her friend Tory,
and that she actually admitted that three years into the business,
they're not where they thought they would be.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Let's throw to a little.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Bit of what she said, pull up the chill Bank
account now, let's see Torri will kill me.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
She's like, if anyone asks how GPA is going, just
say good.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, really good? Were really really good?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Bye?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Did that drop?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Can you imagine being Tory listening to this podcast, I'm like,
for fox sake, the one thing I told you not
to mention. It was interesting though, because Lily also opened
up about her pajama line Chill, and she seemed pretty
dirty on other influencers who have recently released pajamas.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
I think it's interesting what you just said though about
like having competitors and stuff, because obviously, like I've noticed
the last i would say twelve maybe the last six
months specifically, like there's been a few other influences that
have started pajama Broh.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
My god, I even want to do pajamas. I've been
saying it to Tory for so many years. I'm like, pj's, pj's,
pj's like you live as a mom.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
I go to the kindy drop off in my PJ.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah, absolutely, babe.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
And if it's like yours nice enough to wear.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Out, don't rip me off, babe. Company. I'm like, I'm kidding,
but I'm not.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, I know it is hard when there's up and
coming competitors.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Definitely, and it's like it's like when there's yeah, like
this is my like this like chill is my whole life.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Like I've literally put every every single life, your business.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Every single thing into that, and so yeah, like i'd
be lying if I was going to say it's not
like a little bit frustrating.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
As soon as I heard this, I thought she's talking
about Sofa Dofer because the timings match up, and Sofa
Dofa is absolutely dominating at the moment with her pajamas.
They're selling out in record times. And this was sort
of a theme running throughout this interview is that Lily
and Sky they feel like they're out of their prime.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
They said that we're done.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
We've been doing this for so long, and I think
that this is how a lot of OG influencers are
feeling at the moment. A couple of weeks ago, we
spoke about how Kati Milan feels irrelevant, and I think
that they're starting to feel irrelevant. I think they're a
little bit dirty. That they didn't start their businesses in
their prime either. So back in the day when they
were in their heyday, they were just really on brand
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deals and sponsorships, and obviously those things don't actually build
up your wealth, particularly if they're going and spending it
on designer products. Whereas if they had set up a business,
say like Shaney Grimman with Silk Swim, she seems to
be very successful and it doesn't seem to now rely
on who she is anymore, and she can kind of
pull back from the influencing space, whereas I think these
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two may have left it a little bit too late.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well that's all we've got today.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
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Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to
elders past and present.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
You don't anything
Coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
On today's show, Lily Brown appears to take a swipe
at sofa Dofer for bringing out rival pajamas. Makeup entrepreneur
Hillary Holmes publicly shames a male passenger for his body
language and the public influencer breakup that just keeps getting worse.
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
(00:24):
hottest influencer and pop.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Culture news twice a week.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm Sophie Torbert and I come with some disturbing news.
Apparently Facebook pokes are back. I don't believe it. I
haven't received one yet. I'm probably should be offended because
it was the way back in the twenty tens to
flirt with people. Yeah, it sort of turned into this
seed thing where it was guys who didn't have the
nerve to speak to you or who didn't know how
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to strike up a conversation. They would just click a
button and it will send you a poke because it
sort of nudged you as a reminder maybe to talk
to them. Because on MySpace, remember they had something called
a nudge and if you pressed, it would shake your
whole computer. That was msn That wasn't face. Oh I'm
getting cays and that's the thing. The poke started having
this really negative connotation. No one wanted to use it
(01:08):
because it came across as just sleazy. Yeah, that's why
I got phased out. But it is having a resurgence.
Apparently young people are bringing it back, but I question
that because who's actually on Facebook that is young.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
The worst thing is back in the day, there used
to be just a button that you would press and
it said poke. Now you actually have to search for
the poke. And I did some research before getting on
the mix today. I searched poke and it came up
with some random people I didn't know who poked me
in twenty seventeen and twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And then it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Gives you this list of people a suggestions to poke,
and at the top of the list was my old
chief of staff, and I thought that's not going to
go down. Well, I'm tempted to send reci poke just
to see what he does and if it actually comes up, Yeah,
it does it come up as a notification. Let's start
sending some pokes out.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Apparently the poke was actually one of the first features
of Facebook, so it was there before the like and
the comment is this the way of trying to get
younger people back on Facebook. I think so, and if
I am Facebook, I'm also bringing back the notification in
terms of when you add someone, because I remember in
the news feed it used to always pop up that
after a big weekend, guys would be adding all of
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these girls.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And you could comment on it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh, Sophy, that used to trigger you so much. Remember
you would have mental breakdowns.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh, I would be keeping.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
A steady eye on my ex boyfriend who his friends
were that weekend. But they also used to have something
similar on Instagram where you could actually track who was following,
who were marking stuff, and that caused.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
A lot of problems.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I would sit there scrolling through every single thing just
for his name to pop up.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It was so sad.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You used to also track your ex boyfriend's snapchat count,
so it used to show you how many snapchats that
person had sent. And sometimes you're like, I know he's
talking to a girl and we'd be like how, And
you'd have it in your notes written down how many times.
It wasn't just me who did that. I had friends
who also did that. It was who I'm not going
to name names on the podcast, but they were friends
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who also did it, and it was worse when they
had the best friends list and you could keep a
track of who they were messaging.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Anyway, I think.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Once it gets to a point where you're keeping tally
on your notes about how many Snapchat, someone said, you've
got to delete the app.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Also, my loves, I'm just going to give you a reminder.
I know I'm not perfect, and it's very clear, and
i know that I've got to learn lessons of just
like completely private, like just not sharing any of this
stuff on socials.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Over the weekend, makeup entrepreneur Hillary Holmes snapped a photo
of her and an unknown male passenger on public transport.
The body positive activist said the photo highlighted how men's
body language can make plus size women feel unsafe and insecure,
and slammed it as something immature men do. The response
wasn't one she expected, with many saying this is simply
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the way considerate people sit on public transport. Now, before
we dive in, so who is Hillary Holmes? Well, she
is a Melbourne makeup artist and she has her own
makeup brand called home Beauty, which she has grown into
a multi million dollar business, and she provides a lot
of master classes and also has her own range of
specialized makeup products. I swear I've seen her on Victoria
(04:13):
Devine's Instagram account. I think Victoria may have been an
ambassador for one of her products.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Ch well.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
She seems to move in a lot of those Melbourne
circles because Michelle Andrews and Zara McDonald also follow her
on Instagram. And her whole brand is centered on inclusivity
because she really developed a love for makeup in her
teenage years because she was overweight as a teenager and
she found that makeup was the only thing that didn't
discriminate on size. So that's really the messaging behind her
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brand now. On her Instagram, a couple of years ago,
she opened up about how she had bariatric surgery, which
helped her lose fifty kilograms, but she also said to
open the door to some new issues. So she wrote,
I saw myself go from undesired and unappreciated in society
to very swiftly. I was able to fit into a
standard size range and people treated me very very differently.
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Now that we are up to speed, I think we
should dive into what happens so over the weekend, Hillary
posted a photo to her Instagram story of her traveling
on public transport. Now, I actually don't know how she
took this photo because it's from the point of view
of someone sitting opposite her.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I wondered if a friend had taken this photo or
she used one of the sticky things on the back
of your phone to actually take this photo herself.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It was a very odd shot.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah. But to the exchange, they like, excuse me, can
you just film this for a second, because man's about
to be quite rude.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
His body language is off. Can you play a film?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
For those who haven't seen the photo. In the picture,
Hillary is sitting on the window side while a young
man is sitting next to her and she is looking
at the window while the man has his body slightly
turned away from her and he's looking at his phone.
I do want to point out that the man's face
is in full view and has not been blurred. Hillary
captured the story, curveys. Is this the body language you
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get from younger guys all the time? I get it
all the time, especially when I was one hundred kilograms plus.
Mostly boys were immature guys. But it's something I've always
been super conscious of I speak with Ben all the
time about how men's body language is super important to women,
how it can intrude, make you feel unsafe, insecure, etc.
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We talk about how safe men can encourage women to
feel with their presence. I use these experiences and knowledge
to create conversations with Ben and mindful how I raise
Obie to be aware of Adelaide and girls he is
around now for context, Ben is Hillary's husband and Obie
and Adelaide are her kids. Now. This post did elicit
a very strong response in our Facebook community. Many listeners
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were confused as to why Hillary was actually offended in
the first place. So one listener wrote, I'm so confused.
Is she saying she's offended because he is turning away
from her and is saying it's because she's kirby If
he was facing her and too close, that would be
an issue and that would make her uncomfortable. Whilst another
listener said that man's body language is doing the opposite
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of intrude. Poor bloke sitting there minding his own business
and trying to create some space between him and the
person next to him. Another listener weighed in, saying, honestly,
as a fat woman sometimes I feel like people are
shifting away from me because I'm fat. I think it
speaks to her self esteem, which is kind of sad. Fortunately,
I now give zero fux what other people think about
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my weight. She continued, saying, also, I try to see
how the guy is too, so I'm not in anyone's way,
and if he sat closer, he'd be judged for.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Invading her space.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Probably should have blurred out his face now. Hilary responded
to the criticism, saying the mistake she made was posting
a story that didn't give enough context.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Let's write a more of what she said.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I guess I raised it to bring up a conversation
that I think impacts a lot of people because I
talk about it with people and that is how they
feel safe with body language and whatever. So I raised
that conversation, but also remembering amongst that it's me maybe
potentially having a trauma response and feeling that and me
not handling it correctly. But sometimes empathy being caught on
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something is far stronger than an opinion being shared and
a private in a private group. Could you think that
that makes you feel like a better person to judge
that person in that moment? Empathy, always for the win,
but I'm always here to have conversation if you're up
for it in my DM, privately or on the phone
or in person wherever. I'd rather have it to my
face than behind my back. Always, always, always.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Being straight sized women, we don't have the lived experience
of what it's actually like being in a bigger body
and feeling that judgment on public transport or just in
general day to day life. And I think that it
is a really important and interesting conversation to have. And
I think that that was her intention. She was trying
to ignite a broader discussion regarding body language and also
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being aware of how it's potentially making others feel in
saying that. I just think that she who went about
it in the completely wrong way. In my opinion, it
just looks like this guy is sitting the way that
most of us would sit next to anyone on public transport.
I know, whenever I'm on a bus or a tram,
I generally turn my body away because I want to
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give the person next to me a lot of space.
And I'd be more likely to also turn away if
it was someone of the opposite sex as well. I
think men are getting a bit scared to go out
in public these days because everyone seems to be filming
them for some sort of TikTok, Like it's either at
the gym people are filming to try and get men's
reaction in the background.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And also maybe that's why he looks so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yes, it's not sure how the photo was actually taken,
but as you said, it was a rather strange angle
that looks like someone either was taking it opposite him. So,
I mean, people think they're being really sneaky when they're
taking photos, but nine out of ten times you do
know someone is taking a secret photo of you, or
that she's stuck her phone up and is filming her
journey home.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We're only seeing a snapshot of this man's behavior on
public transport. I mean, who know, he could have done
some other things which made Hillary feel uncomfortable, but in
this photo it literally looked like he was doing nothing wrong.
And the fact that she didn't go and blur out
his face but then labeled him as immature and not
a safe man. I mean, to this huge community of people,
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can you imagine if you saw your partner popping up
on one of these pages innocently sitting on a train
or his boss sees him and it's like, hang on,
what have you been doing? This photo of you has
gone viral and literally just sitting next to someone on
a public transport. Again, I agree, that's literally how I
would sit next to someone. I am so conscious of
not trying to get into people's personal space, and likewise,
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I don't like it when people are in my personal.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Space, and that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Body language can be so subjective, So I mean, someone
could be just having a bad day and maybe they're
upset and it's nothing about how they feel about you.
But I think in this situation, she was really projecting
her own feelings onto this guy and maybe some experiences
that she had in the past.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
A really excited well really excited data.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
But I'm going to have a good day to day
another week.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Another relationship update from UK YouTuber Saffron Baker. Just over
two weeks ago, Saffron sparked break up rumors when she
unfollowed her NFL hopeful boyfriend Lewis Reesambert. At the time,
she also liked comments on her posts that referred.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Lewis had cheated.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Now the following week, Saffron did a complete backflip and
hit back at claims that she'd broken up with the
former Welsh rugby player. She responded to a TikTok comment
saying it was all a big misunderstanding and that her
and Lewis were together and quote so happy. A source
even released a statement saying Saffron and Lewis are very
much together and have not split.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
They are happy in.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Their relationship and continue to focus on their careers. Lewis
has remained faithful to Saffron throughout their relationship and they
remain a strong couple navigating a long distance relationship. A
week appears to be a long time in the influencer world,
because on Friday, Saffron confirmed she is no longer in
a relationship with Lewis. She shared a statement to her
(12:07):
Instagram story saying she wanted to address the rumors but
wouldn't be going into any detail. She then went on
to thank her followers for their support and messages. I
don't think this came as a surprise to many of
her followers, though, because a lot of super sluths had
pieced it together again that they had unfollowed each other.
They'd remove photos of one another, and also Saffron was
(12:27):
putting up a lot of clues on her Instagram that
she was single and having fun without him. What about
on her TikTok because she was using that platform a
bit like how people would use MSN back in the day,
putting up these passive, aggressive song lyrics. She put up
her miming to Ariana Grande song Bye Boy and she
added the caption to the video when boyby Never felt
(12:48):
So Good. The best thing about that is that she
was alluding to the fact that she's going to spill
all of the goss on her podcast because she had
her podcast headphones on and had just sat down to record. Yeah.
She also mind to that part of Rihanna's song Same
Old Love when it says take away your things and go.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Can't take back what you said? Oh no, I've heard.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It all before at least a million times. What about
her mum's comment on that TikTok though she commented, Yes,
that's my girl. Don't let that lying, manipulative piece of
shit bring you down. The best bit is Wendy was
on Safari in Kenya at the time, and she took
time out of her holiday to back it up on
her own personal Instagram story, so she ended up sharing
(13:27):
Saffron's TikTok to her two hundred and sixty six thousand
followers and wrote, haven't had proper WiFi for days, but
that's more like my strong independent girl. Don't ever let
that disgusting, manipulative piece of shit ever stomp on your parade,
and she ended up deleting the story. I'm guessing that
Saffron made a message her and said take it down,
but she did then put up a quote that said
(13:49):
I hope Karma slapped him in the face before I do,
and then she added and then let's move on with
a smiling emoji. I bet she regrets setting up that
Valentine's Day h thing for him.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
If it could.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't get any more embarrassing for poor Saffron. Her
twelve year old cousin even appears to have gotten in
on the action of trolling Lewis. So Saffron has been
babysitting her younger cousins this week, and she ended up
tagging her cousin Archie in her Instagram story at one point,
and someone has spotted that the same account has been
writing troll comments on videos of Lewis, which include this
(14:22):
guy is a cheetah. Cheetah was spelt wrong, and another
comment said you can see his mini pecker. He is
done stupid guy who doesn't know how.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
To treat people.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Correct Now, I have to point out that this comment
was in reference to a photo dump that Lewis recently
put up, and he was wearing some very revealing they
were bike shorts and you could see everything, and a
lot of people in the comment section were saying, oh
my god, I think it looked at me because there
was such a distinctive outline, but it wasn't the most
flattering of photos. I actually really like that Saffron's family
(14:53):
have come out in her defense because it's clear this
guy has been a complete asshole to her and she's
probably dying to say something. Yeah, that's the thing everyone's saying. Oh,
it's embarrassing for her. She'd be embarrassing for him because
he's clearly the one that's done her wrong in this situation. Yeah,
but it'd be hard if your family are just going
rogue on stuff, like you would want some control over
how you're dealing with it publicly, like she probably would
(15:15):
prefer to come across as more mature than having her
mother say stuff. But maybe she thinks it looks better
coming from other people than from her year old would
come and saying he's got a small dick. Yeah, I
don't think that was really that good. Everyone is hoping
that she speaks about this on her podcast, where we
do have to wait for a couple of days before
that's released.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
However, she did release a.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
YouTube video on Sunday night entitled huge Life Update Trying
to Stay Positive and Future Plans. My finger clicked so
quickly on this YouTube video. Now, she vlogged her week
and I was like, gee, she seems really upbeat. But
by the second day that was when the shit must
have hit the fan, because she apologized to her audience
for not vlogging her evening because apparently something big happened.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Let's row to what she's said.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
I didn't really end up vlogging much yesterday, and I
do apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I ended up having one of the worst.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Evenings I want to say my life so far it was.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It was.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
To be honest, we've just like literally hell for me,
it's not there, it's been up, it's been down. It's
people's Yeah, I get into Yeah, exactly, I might, we're
going to get into it. But someone really close to
me has really really hurt my trust, and I tried
to forgive them when they clearly don't deserve any sort
of forgiveness.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
So, yeah, that's up.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I can't help but feel really sorry for her.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
This would be so difficult to navigate in the public
eye when you're in your early twenties. I know that
she has made this relationship very public, and she did
do so very early on, but it still wouldn't make
any of this hurt any less. Yeah, it seems like
making the relationship really public has kind of helped her
in the end, though, because she did make a comment
on the vlog saying if it wasn't for some girls girls,
(16:57):
that she wouldn't know a lot of things. So it
seems like she has got an influx of messages from
girls at Lewis has been messaging, I assume, and I
got the vibe that he had made some cock and
ball story up while she was away in Dubai. Yes,
he obviously made some excuses up as to you know, oh,
I'm such a good guy, take me back. That was
a misunderstanding, and then she's caught this onslaught of people saying, no,
(17:21):
he's a fucking dickhead. He's talking to this girl. Yeah, well,
I mean early on he did have a reputation as
being a fuck boy, and I saw a lot of
commentary around the fact that he would message university students
really crude things about bananas and what they would do
allegedly allegedly, and he always seemed to be following and
then unfollowing Jemma Owen from Love Island, and it was
(17:42):
quite clear his ideal woman was a brunette, which seems
to be a parent now because he's adding all of
these famous brunettes. O. Saffron isn't a brunette for those
who don't actually follow her, she is blonde. The awkward
thing is he's gone and re followed Jemma Owens from
Love Island again and then followed her because she clearly
wasn't having any of it and didn't follow her that.
(18:03):
I also followed Caddie from Love Island. I can't think
of her last name.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
McDermott.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, she is a lot older than him, and apparently
she's headed to the US. So everyone has been keeping
an eye on their interactions with one another. The awkward
thing about Jenna Owen is she used to date Saffron's ex.
Do you know what gets even more complicated with that
is that the rumor is that Saffron was in Dubai
and allegedly cheated on her boyfriend Tyler with Luca Bish
(18:30):
and Saffron's only just got back from Dubai and that
was where their shit initially hit the fan. So Dubai
does not seem to be a very good place for her.
Getting back to this vlog, it was quite awkward because
she also mentioned that she's getting a three year visa
for the US, which means she'll be able to work
on her acting, and originally she was talking about moving
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over there to be.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
With him, so that would be another slap in the face.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
There is this really awkward grab going viral of her
on TikTok where she said that she would move to
the US for Lewis if he got accepted by the NFL,
and I just feel so sorry for that. She's clearly
trying to save face because she was probably telling friends
and family, Oh, I'm going to go over for Lewis,
but it's more so for my actor. Yeah. Well, her
and Imagen, which is Saffron Barker's brother's girlfriend. They are
(19:16):
actually going to LA this week and they were very
excited about it, and she said she's doing some acting
classes over there and Imagen's doing some dancing classes. She
really was trying to push that she's very happy and
that she's focused on this career, but you can tell
behind the scenes she'd be absolutely devastating. Well, she's only
just found out that her boyfriend's cheating on her. Yeah,
it's interesting to look at how Lewis is dealing with
this breakup because it's the complete opposite. He is acting
(19:39):
like nothing has happened. He's been sharing videos of himself
at the NFL camp as normal, and a sports website
has been reporting that the twenty three year old is
in a three way tug of war between American NFL
sides offering him around nine hundred thousand dollars a year
to sign up for their summer training squads. Now, Lewis
has been quoted as saying that he he was disappointed
(20:01):
with his performance time in a forty yard sprint in
front of NFL scouts. Now, I do wonder if he's
been distracted by all this relationship drama going down. It's
so mean but funny at the same time, because a
video of his sprint has gone on to TikTok and
people have been commenting saying that he was sprinting away
from Saffron when she showed him images of their Ai
(20:23):
babies that she created. I couldn't first out laughing when
I saw this. There are a lot of people who
are taking pleasure in this, and I think most of
those people are teenage girls who had a crush on Lewis,
And a lot of people seem to be taking this
really seriously and probably too far, because people have been
tracking the tweets that Saffron has been liking, and one said,
I have a new level of respect for Saffron Baker.
(20:45):
Get it all out, girl. We want to know everything
our scirls find out. Remember that now Saffron clearly wears
a heart on her sleeve, and we do need to
remember she's only twenty three and she is living in
a world where she feels that she needs to share
all of these personal moments. So I am sure she
is heavily regretting all of the things that she shared
recently on social media, because when he left the US.
(21:07):
She shared a video about him being her soul mate
and we have spoken about on the show that elaborate
Valentine's Day set up.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
There was also this love.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Letter thing, so she filmed herself reading a love letter
that Lewis had sent her, and it had the caption
point of view, You've got the man you've dreamed of
your entire life, long distance, but he writes you love letters.
I would be taking all of that shit down. It's
still up on it, Tair.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You know what, this is a lesson for all young girls.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
If someone is too good to be true, generally they are.
But everyone's acting like, oh, Saffron's been a psycho in
this situation. He still sent her the love note saying
what about. In her vlog how she basically dropped that
she was having to return something to Louis Verton and
he had got her Louis Viton's shoes for Valentine's Day.
So everyone's gone, She's got it. She's returning the shoes.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
See. I wondered differently.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I thought maybe because she has got this trip planned
to the US. I thought she potentially has bought him
something and it's hard to return her I just really
hope that she actually goes into on her podcast. I
know she said that she won't be dropping any more details,
but I think that that's a big, fat lie, particularly
with the way her family and friends are being carrying on.
I think that she wants everyone to know just how
(22:16):
badly he has hurt her. And also I think it's
almost a warning to other girls to stay away from him.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, on her podcast, where there's obviously shit was hitting
the fan and we weren't sure what was going on.
She sounded so flat like she barely even said anything
on the most recent episode, so I think it's going
to be fairly obvious what the goal is and how
she's feeling. I think it will be hard for her
not to say anything.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Sorry.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
I don't care if it sounds ungrateful, but like, babe.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Please, Sky Wheatley and Lily Brown have taken a trip
down memory lane, exploring what really went on behind the
scenes of Australia's infamous influencer Click. During the hour long podcast,
Lily also appeared to take a swipe at Sofa Do
for bringing out rival pajamas to kick things off. So
how did Sky and Lily become friends in the first place. Well,
(23:07):
in this episode, they explained that they met through Shannee
Grimmin and Michael Finch and basically they would hang out
for Sunday sessions at a bar called The Fox, and
there was a lot of binge drinking going on, and
this is how they formed their friendship. So at the time,
Shanni and Michael were at the top of.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Their influencing careers.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
To put it into perspective, they were selling merch lines
with Beginning Boutique, which had their own slogans across them,
and they were also packing out males for meat and
greet So it was quite opportunistic of Sky and Lily
to become.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Friends with them.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
In saying that, though Sky has famed from Big Brothers,
so I think Michael Finch actually watched her and Big
brother and there was a sort of mutual fangirling going on,
whereas with Lily, I found her so opportunistic. Yeah, from
the start, Like I remember I used to watch all
of their vlogs and I was like, who's this girl
trying to get in on her?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Do you blame her?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Though?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I mean she was so young at the time, like
everyone wanted to be their friend. There would have been
so many people coming out of the woodwork trying to
be friends with them. This friendship group also consisted of
Rannie Brandsby, and I think that the fact that they
had this group is why they were so popular, because
they were sort of these side characters that really complimented
(24:20):
the main characters, and they were a lot stronger together
because viewers loved their dynamic, and they also enjoyed speculating
who was fighting with who behind the scenes. And this
was happening a lot because it all blew up on
this infamous US trip. So we actually have done a
deep dive on this trip before, but you could just
tell by watching each person's vlog that there was so
(24:43):
much tension between all of the people on the trip.
I think the root of the tension though, was Sky Wheatley. Yeah,
you could tell everyone was just so over her. Yeah,
well it was confirmed in the podcast. Here's what they said.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
When we went to that restaurant. Last time we went
to this restaurant. Who had a fight was you? Me
and Michael.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I don't even remember what I was in New York
and the last night and oh.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
That's right, I had a drink and Michael was like, ah,
here comes guys alter.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Ego, and I'm like, fair, to be fair, we'd seen
some shit with you and that goddamn alter ego.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Man memory, I left you in the street one.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I felt like I was a really drunk, messy one
that would always just be left behind.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Well no, okay, okay, not putting me, but people were like,
fuck off. Well, everyone was just trying to manage you,
and you weren't listening.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
One can manage me.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It was just it was driving everybody mad.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
And there was just one night where we got we
actually got an uber back to I think we were
staying at Michael's Plaze, and we got an uber back
to Michaels Blaze.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And she was just so out of control, out of control.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
We left her.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
We literally left her in the road out in the
front of Michael's apartment. She knew where she was.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
We were just like, okay, you're not coming right, that's it,
We're done.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
We're gone, bye bye. You know where you're going.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It sounds like she was very difficult to be around.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I mean, I got that vibe in the vlogs and
I wasn't even on the trip because she was so loud.
She would always be singing her name. I mean, it's
probably very entertaining on a reality TV show like Big Brother,
and now she's on I'm a celeb, Get me out
of here, and people are loving it.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
But God, you wouldn't want to be living with.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That on a holiday.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I to add to it, apparently she would always say
to Michael, we're so famous. And I do wonder if
this got a lot of the other people on the
trip's noses out of joint because at the time, there
were paparazzi following Sky around on this trip, and it's
quite funny because obviously Shanie and Michael were probably the
big deals back in Australia. Yeah, there was definitely jostling
(26:42):
for who was more important on this trip. I have
to take my hat off to Lily, though. She did
ask a lot of questions that I wanted to know.
So she asked Sky whether her partner Lockie was going
to propose anytime soon, and she did touch on this
in a recent Q and A that she had actually
told him not to propose. We found out that this
was actually a part of her thirtieth birthday celebrations from
(27:03):
a couple of weeks ago, so Sky discovered ahead of
time that her friend Live had asked Locke if he
needed some help planning her birthday, and apparently he responded
saying that he had something very special planned and had
it all under control. Now. Being best friends, Live around
to Sky and gave her heads up on what was
going on. Let's throw to the grab.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I said to Lockie, don't you dare propose to me
on my thirtieth birthday? Babe, split the dates up. Come on,
We're not doing a two in one.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Sorry.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
I don't care if it sounds ungrateful, but like, babe,
please please don't do it the thirtieth birthday.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
That's like a big deal.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
But then okay, so would your marger so your anniversary
would also be on your birthday exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I see where Sky's coming from. I personally wouldn't want
to be proposed to on my birthday either, because it
sort of takes shine away from the day on a
separate day when someone proposes to you, so you can
have a separate anniversary. To be fair to Lockey, though,
I think that Sky would have a lot of prerequisites
around this engagement, so she would want to look very
(28:12):
nice particularly if it's being filmed or photographed. So I
can see why guys piggyback off certain events because they know, hey,
all their friends are there, They're gonna enjoy sharing the
moment with them, They're gonna look nice.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
I can see why he was gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Then, my sister in law actually got proposed to on
her birthday, and she had just run a half marathon,
And when I got told, I thought, holy fuck. I
hope that he wasn't stupid enough to do it when
she crossed the finishing line.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Now, no one wants that.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, no one wants that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Thankfully, he was smart enough let her have a shower,
put some makeup on, and then had a surprise ready
for her in the laundrym I just think you're probably
just so grateful to actually get proposed to that you're like,
wouldn't I mean, I probably wouldn't have cared if it
was on our birthday, only my only thought would be
that it would piss you guys off sharing our birthday.
To be fair, we got and I got proposed to
on the same day, on Christmas Eve, And I suppose
(29:04):
you could say that Christmas Eve is a day where
you can't really go out and celebrate an anniversary as well.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's not the same. He's bothered by that.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Pretty keen about that.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
But do you have a proposal anniversary because normally the
wedding is, you know, a year or so after, So
I feel like your wedding anniversary, trump's any sort of
proposal anniversary.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I'm struggling to know.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I know it was in early May, but my black
friend remember what day was? Protest? People like doing throwback
photos that on Instagram, and I can imagine that's something
Sky Wheatley would so.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Sadly that you're that you're concerned.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
About not able to do that on Christmas, even do
it on Christmas Eve. Anyway, Anyways, I thought it was
pretty interesting in this interview when they started talking about
the renovations on Sky's Haunted Mansion, as she calls it,
because Sky actually revealed how much they've put into the
renovations so far. So she confirmed that they purchased the
abandoned mansion for nine hundred and seventy thousand dollars back
(29:58):
in twenty nineteen, and they've all also taken out a
loan for six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for renovations. Now,
these are major renovations. I think they've been renovating the
house ever since they moved in, so it's nearly been
five years. She did say that they recently had the
house valued and it came back as being worth between
one point two million and one point five, which surprised
(30:19):
me because this is a massive mansion. They put so
much time and effort into this house. It has been
a really long process because Lockie has been doing the
majority of the renovations himself if but they haven't actually
finished the renolds yet. I am sure they are going
to probably double what they spent on this house. I mean,
I'm shocked that it's still being valued, as you said
(30:39):
in the one point two to one point five, because
I would have thought alone, without them doing anything to
this house, that it would have gone up way more. Yeah,
because you see some absolute shitholes that sell for one
point two and they're like a two bedroom house closer
to the city. It might be because this house, well
she described it as being in the stick, so it
seems to be a far way away from the city.
(31:00):
I did find it interesting because Lily mentioned that her
and Jet are currently house hunting, but they've been put
off with how expensive it is and the interest rates,
just like everyone else. But she kept making quite a
few comments about the fact that she hasn't got as
much money as people think she has. So, like she
spoke about how she wanted to go to this meditation
(31:20):
person and she actually had to cancel her appointments because
she didn't have enough money to fund it. And I
was like, wow, that's a really interesting insight because you
just assume that these influencers have so much money to spend. Yeah,
but she said in the past, isn't that because of
her pajama line, Like she puts so much of her
money back into the business. Yeah. Well, she was very
candid about her business as well. Both of the women
(31:41):
were so Sky runs Good People Apparel with her friend Tory,
and that she actually admitted that three years into the business,
they're not where they thought they would be.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Let's throw to a little.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Bit of what she said, pull up the chill Bank
account now, let's see Torri will kill me.
Speaker 8 (31:59):
She's like, if anyone asks how GPA is going, just
say good.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, really good? Were really really good?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Bye?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Did that drop?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Can you imagine being Tory listening to this podcast, I'm like,
for fox sake, the one thing I told you not
to mention. It was interesting though, because Lily also opened
up about her pajama line Chill, and she seemed pretty
dirty on other influencers who have recently released pajamas.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
I think it's interesting what you just said though about
like having competitors and stuff, because obviously, like I've noticed
the last i would say twelve maybe the last six
months specifically, like there's been a few other influences that
have started pajama Broh.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
My god, I even want to do pajamas. I've been
saying it to Tory for so many years. I'm like, pj's, pj's,
pj's like you live as a mom.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
I go to the kindy drop off in my PJ.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah, absolutely, babe.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
And if it's like yours nice enough to wear.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Out, don't rip me off, babe. Company. I'm like, I'm kidding,
but I'm not.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, I know it is hard when there's up and
coming competitors.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Definitely, and it's like it's like when there's yeah, like
this is my like this like chill is my whole life.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Like I've literally put every every single life, your business.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Every single thing into that, and so yeah, like i'd
be lying if I was going to say it's not
like a little bit frustrating.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
As soon as I heard this, I thought she's talking
about Sofa Dofer because the timings match up, and Sofa
Dofa is absolutely dominating at the moment with her pajamas.
They're selling out in record times. And this was sort
of a theme running throughout this interview is that Lily
and Sky they feel like they're out of their prime.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
They said that we're done.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
We've been doing this for so long, and I think
that this is how a lot of OG influencers are
feeling at the moment. A couple of weeks ago, we
spoke about how Kati Milan feels irrelevant, and I think
that they're starting to feel irrelevant. I think they're a
little bit dirty. That they didn't start their businesses in
their prime either. So back in the day when they
were in their heyday, they were just really on brand
(34:00):
deals and sponsorships, and obviously those things don't actually build
up your wealth, particularly if they're going and spending it
on designer products. Whereas if they had set up a business,
say like Shaney Grimman with Silk Swim, she seems to
be very successful and it doesn't seem to now rely
on who she is anymore, and she can kind of
pull back from the influencing space, whereas I think these
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two may have left it a little bit too late.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well that's all we've got today.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
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