July 14, 2025 • 46 mins
Matt Zukowski opens up about his divorce from Tammy Hembrow. Bec Judd vows to share exactly what cosmetic procedures she’s had done. AFL star Bailey Smith joins Tinder. Rachel Dillion and Tobi Pearce's baby joy… AND Rob Irwin’s dine and dash.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Matt Zukowski
opens up about his divorce from Tammy henbro Beck Judd
vows to share exactly what cosmetic procedures she's had done.
AFL star Bailey Smith joins Tinder and Rob Erwin's Dine
(00:25):
and Dash, But first, Rachel Dylan and Toby Pierce have
welcomed their first child together after a well documented IVF journey.
The fitness influencer revealed the news to her one point
nine million Instagram followers. Sharia caarausel of photos with the
caption our little love is earthside, fourth of July twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This was obviously beautiful news, but all I wanted to
know was what is the baby name? Because a couple
of weeks ago we discussed how Rachel accidentally slipped up
on her Instagram story and dropped the name, and at
the time she begged of follow us to keep it
a secret. And it seems like she has some very
loyal followers because I didn't see it pop up anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, It's pretty incredible it stayed a secret because normally
when an influencer makes a mistake like that, it ends
up on one of the influencer watchdog pages. Yeah, I'm
glad it didn't because it is really such a special
thing to announce the name yourself. So Rachel and Toby
went with the name Easton J.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Pierce. And interestingly, Rachel's handle on Instagram and TikTok is
Rachel J. Dylan. So I'm guessing they took inspiration from
her name.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Wait, so it was the middle name just J. Just
the letter Jyeah, just the letter J.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah. So not Jay like Kayla at Cinas's husband, which
would have been a little bit awkward because of course,
Kayla Asinas used to be engaged to Toby Pierce. They
have a daughter together called Anna. How cute was the
video of Anna meeting her new baby brother. Oh she
is just adorable.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I think we need to throw to a grubsn ps.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
This is his name. Oh my god, Oh keep you
a bit ticed. It all my life to keep you healthy.
He never get set.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm so cute.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Sh my god, I just feel like this is a dream.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
God.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
She cracks me up every time. She's in either Kayla
or Rachel or Toby's content.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I laugh so much talking about cute baby Eastern is gorgeous.
He looks exactly like Toby. Oh, he's got some strong
jeans there. Because Anna, I feel like takes after Toby
as well. I found it really interesting to see what
Rachel and Toby decided to do after the birth of Eastern,
because obviously they're very wealthy, and they look like they
were in a beautiful hospital. And Rachel didn't take long
(02:35):
to enjoy sushi again, so she shared a photo of
her breastfeeding in a hospital bed, looking very glamorous, eating
this beautiful plate of sushi with chopsticks. Well, sushi was
one of the number one things I wanted to eat
after giving birth, but for some reason, I just couldn't
stomach it in hospital.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But I'm guessing they were even quite.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
A ritzy hospital that probably didn't even feel like hospital.
I keep getting fed this content of these influencers who
go into the private system. It's either Melbourne or Sydney,
and they get transferred from the private hospital to a
really fancy hotel. Have you seen those?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, Anna Macavoy posted one and I was like, oh
my god, we did our postpartum early days so differently,
Like it looked incredible, but it's.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Like a BMW that comes and picks them up. Yeah,
it's a full show for service. Yeah, I mean that
looks the right way to do postpartum. I feel like
what I kept telling myself is because we both went
through the public system, is we didn't have to pay
a dime. These people probably hit up with about a
ten K bill. Okay, it may have felt good in
the time, but I'd rather put ten k towards my
baby or maybe it's going on a holiday eventually.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Definitely bye.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Now you would have heard that Tammy and I are
getting a divorce.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Matt Sakowski has opened up about his divorce from Tammy
Hembro on his podcast Where's Your.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Head at Now.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There was a bit of confusion Kate because the episode
disappeared after being live for just a couple of hours.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
A host beside myself because I went to listen to
this at eight o'clock. The episode was called We're back
with some Updates dot dot dot. I was like, oh
my gosh, excellent, this is going to be so good.
When to click on it and suddenly it had disappeared,
and I kept refreshing my feed. I'm like, hang on,
he said, it was about two hours ago, but all
I can find is the old episode about Anna talking
about pregnancy. I was like what.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, that just made me think, oh my god, what
has he said in this episode?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I was like, it's been pulled down.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I have lawyers become involved, Like has he dropped
some really juicy details?
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I was so confused because Anna and Matt had posted
on Tuesday that they were back in the studio ready
to record, and I did some digging. I went on
their Instagram page and it turns out other people were
having the same issue that I was, and there were
a lot of comments on their instagram saying like why
can't we listen? And no one was responding, which I
thought was a little bit weird. Now, the episode was
back up on Thursday, and Matt shared a link to
(04:47):
it on his Instagram account and wrote, I had an
anxiety attack about posting this episode. The last few weeks
have been very hard for me mentally. Hopefully I will
be in a place one day where I can talk
about my experience further, but right now I am focusing healing,
finding myself and my confidence. Again. Thank you again for
all your kind messages.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
The more I hear from Matt, the more I feel
sorry for everybody involved in this, because you sometimes forget
there are real people behind this. Yeah, And I suppose
that's because Tammy came out with her statement first, and
she was crying and seemed really upset, so you immediately think, oh, Okay,
Matt's done something wrong. But when you hear his side
of things, you're like, okay, well, there's obviously two sides
(05:27):
to the story. And it seems like Matt may have
listened to our episode last week because it seems like
he took our pr advice on board, so he briefly
addressed the breakup and was really respectful towards Tammy, and
he ended up talking about the divorce at the start
of the episode in this pre recorded segment without his
co host Anna McAvoy, And when I was reflecting on
(05:49):
what the episodes are normally like, it made sense to
address it at the start because their podcast introduction references
that Matt and Anna are both newlywed, so they couldn't
really have that play at the beginning, so the intro
was obviously removed, and I'm really interested to see what
they run with next week. It's like one newly wed
a one divorce A. I mean, it is going to
add a new element to the podcast, Matt being divorced,
(06:12):
because he's going to be able to speak from this
experience and I suppose relate to other people. I wonder
how many people actually listen to the whole podcast. Like
you know, when you look in the back end of
a podcast, you can actually see that I've dropped off.
It's just like, yeah, it might stop.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
As for the Matt statement, let's take a listen to
some of what he said.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
By now you would have heard that Tammy and I
are getting a divorce. There is no easy way for
me to say this and to speak about it. I'm
absolutely shattered to announce it, to be honest, but at
the end of the day, we weren't right for each other,
and in this relationship, I've learnt a lot about myself.
I've learned a lot about what I need in a
(06:56):
relationship and what's right for me. And moving forward, I'm
going to focus on myself and focus on healing and
moving forward with my life. I know there's a lot
of speculation, and people are looking for me to say
a tael all and clear up all the whispers online.
But that's not me. It's not the right way to
(07:17):
go about this. This is literally real life, like this
is happening to me right now, and I'm still trying
to process it. I'm still trying to heal from it.
At the end of the day, Tammy is a mother
of three beautiful children, and I think that I have
too much respect for us and the relationship we had,
(07:39):
and that's just not something I want to do. This
has been one of the toughest periods of my life,
and it's honestly been so stressful on my mental health.
And right now I'm not in a place where i
want to talk about this any further. But I've been
hanging around my loved ones, my family. I've been going
to therapy, which has helped heaps in navigating this time
(08:00):
in my life. I'd just like to say I appreciate
everyone's understanding and kindness during this time now.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Matt went on to say he was grateful for the
kind messages he had been receiving and hope doing the
podcast would help him forget what was going on and
was an opportunity for him just to have some fun.
He finished up by asking his listeners for grace as
he navigated through this difficult time.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
When I heard that, I thought, it's going to be
quite difficult to just have fun with this podcast because
it's all about relationships.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, but in saying that, when he was joined by
Anna mackinvoy, I felt like he seemed a lot happier.
Like his tone the last couple of months has been
very down, obviously because he's been going through this breakup.
H but he definitely seemed back to himself, I thought. Now,
despite addressing the divorce at the start of the episode,
when Anna joined him on the mics, they did have
a quick chat about it, and I found the language
(08:49):
really interesting that they use. So the word heel was
used four times, and there were lots of references to
Matt's mental health. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm struggling a lot. Obviously, this wasn't what
I wanted nor expected to happen. Going to therapy quite regularly.
I haven't spoken that much to you or friends about
it because I feel like not many people understand the
ins and outs of it. So yeah, I talk a
lot with my therapists and it's just getting a better
(09:20):
understanding of everything. And look, it's heartbreaking. I think it
comes and goes in waves. It's really strange time in
my life. But I feel like the main thing I'm
focusing on now is healing myself and coming out with
a better understanding of myself and life.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I feel Do you feel like you guys made the
right decision?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, I mean you guys wouldn't have got married if
you didn't think it was going to be forever, so exactly. Well,
thank you for sharing. We all really appreciate it. I
know that it's not something that you fully want to
jump into. You're just healing and looking after you and
your mental health, and I think that's really important. I
know that your mental health has suffered, so yeah, just
(10:04):
looking after yourself, doing things to fill your cup. We've
both gone through some very big life changes. So there's
a lot that's going to be happening on the podcast
coming up, and you know, we just want to move forward.
And yeah, I'm always here to support you.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And I'd like to thank you for that, and my
friends and family for being there for me through this
rough time. I really appreciate it as well. I know
I obviously, like I said, I'm not sharing completely everything,
so I'm trying to heal myself, but I appreciate everyone
being there for me.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
And I think just a reminder as well. Divorce is
super hard. I can't even imagine doing it in the
public eye like you have, and everyone having their opinions
and putting their two cents in without actually knowing what's happened.
So just a reminder to give everyone in the situation grace,
Let everyone have a chance to heal. And Matt and
(11:01):
Tammy nothing but the best.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, as we predicted last week, Matt was always
going to try and shift the narrative, and as I
touched on before, in terms of public perception, I think
Tammy absolutely won the breakup announcement because she came across
as very self aware. She appeared to be genuinely hurting
in that situation.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
She also got the first word out, and often when
it's the first person that makes the announcement, it seems
like either they've been wronged or I suppose they get
to dictate how it unfolds.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I think she really set the narrative that she
was the victim in the situation, and while she was
really respectful, there were a few pointed comments that if
you read between the lines, it was Matt's fault that
they got divorced. So it only makes sense for Matt
that he really wanted to switch things up and share
his side of the story. And hats off to him
because I think he executed it pretty perfectly. He kept
it professional and respectful whilst hitting on really some key
(11:54):
points about his mental health and how the breakup has
affected him.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I thought he did a really good job, and if
he's able to maintain this sort of dignified response, I
think it's actually just going to turn out quite well
for him, because I think what we're seeing is Tammy
is posting a lot about the breakup on her TikTok,
like subtle digs at Matt, and while a lot of
people have enjoyed them so far, I think if she
continues to do it, we might see people turning. Yeah,
(12:20):
the less you say, the less can be used against you, essentially,
And I definitely think he got a professional to help
him with his statement and that was a very good move.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
On his behalf. Or did he just listen to Outspoken
the podcast last week. To be fair, they recorded on Tuesday,
so or he could have in the morning, maybe potentially.
I also think Ana macavoy did a good job because
she played the protective big sister role very well. And
the comment about everyone having an opinion without knowing what's
happened was pretty interesting. So it seems like they're saying
(12:48):
that there's more to this story than meets the eye.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, it was very telling. And last week we also
discussed how we thought Matt might go down the path
of calling out trolls, and this is of course off
the back of Indy clinton popular decision to hire a
PI to dig up dirt on her trolls, and funnily enough,
Matt and Anna referenced Indy and her PI while talking
about how Anna had been trolled for going to the
hairdresser when she had a newborn. I saw this over TikTok.
(13:13):
It was so ridiculous, Like the mum shaming is next
level on there. In saying that, though, I was almost
not surprised because every video a mum post, it's like
everyone goes off in the comments about, well, I don't
do that, that's not fair and you know, I'm sure
he's fucking off having his hair cut. No one, bloody
bats and eye.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I definitely think it was disgusting that Anna got trolled,
but TikTok at the moment, it's just a cesspool and
every parenting video it's like people just clashing about what
they do and I'm always right.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, well, how interesting was it when they were talking
about seeing someone, you know, trolling someone in the comment section.
Let's have a listen to what they said.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
It happened recently to a mutual person that we know.
I'm pretty sure they would listen to this podcast as well,
so we're not gonna say too much, but yeah, we
saw that they were trolling your divorce and I just thought.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Wow, it's icky, it's ikey. But anyway, now, when I
heard this, I initially wondered if they were referring to
Kira maguire because So Dramatic reported that Kira liked Tammy's
post the day after she announced her divorce, and the
photo in question was of Tammy wearing what was being
touted as her revenge dress, that beautiful pink dress. So
(14:23):
Kira not only liked the post but wrote stunning with
a love hot.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And listeners might forget. So Kira Maguire actually dated Matt Sakowski.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I mean, how wild is that.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I've been looking into their relationship for our Tammy Hanbury
deep Dive, and I didn't realize there was such a
big age difference. There's nine years between Kira and Matt,
and there's always been a lot of speculation that Matt
dated her for clout and publicity because he started going
out with her when she just finished on Bachelor and Paradise.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, you forget how popular she actually was at
the time.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah. So anyway, Kira's gone and posted stunning with a
love hear on Tammy's post, and it's been liking a
lot of them. I mean, some people were saying that
Kira's been following Tammy for a long time and liking
her post, but I had a quick brows and I
couldn't see her engaging with many of her posts. So
it's not to say that it happened, but I do
think that it was a strategic move from Kira to
be like, hey, Tammy, I'm on your side, and Matt's
(15:16):
a dickhead basically another very active person on Tammy's post
has been none other than Jordan Simmeck.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I know. I saw him liking every single one of
her posts, and I could see them getting together. He
is a walking red flag. So Tammy, please be careful.
Listen to me. Sisters, please, yes, listen to them now.
Matt also spoke about what it was like meeting Anna's
newborn son, Swede for the first time, and he said
he hadn't held a newborn for ten years and found
(15:43):
the experience quite emotional and grounding. And that's probably because
he only recently, in the last couple of years, found
out that he's going to struggle to naturally conceive a child.
And Anna said that she shared a photo with Matt's
mum of him holding Swede, and then spoke to his
mum on the phone a few day years later. This
is what she said.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
And your mom was on the phone and your mum
was saying that it made her really upset seeing you
with like a newborn baby. She was saying it was
really bittersweet for her.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, I think that like in the position I'm in,
I may never have the ability to hold my own newborn,
So I can understand why my mum would say that
and I think, actually my family have processed that, whereas
I don't think fully have and I brought up with
my therapist and I'm talking about I think that in
a way, I've not really fully processed it where I
(16:35):
thought I had. I didn't think of it when I
held swayed in that way. But I think, yeah, I
think maybe in the back of my mind it might
be there, and I think that's something that I will
get to in mon time.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Well, I mean, you don't see a newborn every day,
so me having one is probably bringing up that conversation
that maybe you and your mom don't really talk about
the fact that you're infertile, so it kind of like
rebrings it to the surface in some ways.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yep, this is the kind of content that we needed
from Matt in his interview with The Inherited podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, and that's why it makes me think more and
more that a PR advisor was involved in this episode.
It is so different when you think back to the
episode that Anna and Matt did about the Grand Prix
cheating scandal. They really managed to humanize Matt here, particularly
after he copped quite a lot of backlash about the
way he referred to Tammy's kids coldly in their divorce announcement.
(17:26):
This was a great way to say, Look, he likes children,
he's a nice.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You could tell that that divorce announcement was just thrown
together really quickly. It was like a reactive announcement to
Tammy dropping the bomb on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah and Amy. As you mentioned earlier, Tammy has been
very active on her social media channels, particularly TikTok. Over
the weekend, she jumped on board that prank call challenge
where you call someone up and say good night, and
she chose to prank call none other than her first
ex fiance, Reyese Hawkins. Let's throw to some of the audio.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
I'm just calling to say good night. I'm just going
to say good night. What do you mean? I just
can't say good night to you? What do you mean
I'm the mother of your children. Can't say good night, friendly,
(18:23):
good night, good night later.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I can't believe this. I was like the timing of it,
I think so reflecting. It was Emily that was with
her and they were at the airport, so I think
they filmed it a couple of weeks ago when they
were going with their supplement company to bond I to
do that pop up.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, well, doesn't he just have the most recognizable voice?
Tammy like, it is just it's quite a cute voice,
but it's just very recognizable.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, I recognized his voice instantly. It was interesting that
she dropped, Oh, I normally FaceTime him. I mean, I
suppose she must talk to him quite regularly and put
the kids on the phone. But it was so interesting
that she decided to share this video off the back
of obviously announcing her divorce. And there's also been a
lot of online chatter of people saying that we want
Tammy and Reese back together. In fact, Tammy even commented
(19:30):
recently on the video that we shared promoting the Tammy
and Reese episode. Yeah, and there was this horrible comment
someone wrote about how Tammy doesn't let Reese's parents see
their grandchildren, which is absolutely bullshit because Tammy often talks
about how they babysit for her during the school holidays,
and she commented back saying this is completely untrue. So
(19:52):
I found it really interesting that she knows that people
are shipping their old relationship and that she shared this
because the first thing I thought was, are they getting
back to because she's also mentioned that she wants to
do a trip to Balley, which is of course where
Reez Hawkins now live.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I just found the whole thing so intriguing because it's
like Tammy knows exactly what to do to stay relevant
in Yeah, because normally you think, if you've just gone
through this divorce, you might put your head down and
just stay quiet.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
She's like doing I mean, I love it. It's so entertaining.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
She's just doing all of these things that her followers
would love or ship, Like everyone wants her getting back
with Reese now because everyone basically couldn't stand her on
Matt Sekowski. Like she's just giving her followers what they want.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, well we missed out on all of that with
Matt Paul, So maybe this is just a double whammy.
Like here you go, fans, I'm gonna give you what
you want.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I just want to know what does Amy and Emily
think of Reese.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, maybe they can let us know what they if
they ship this requtionship to. I mean, Emily was one
filming the prank video, so they must be on okay terms.
In terms of how Tammy's feeling, she has been posting
more content on TikTok where she just talks to the camera,
and she said previous she was trying to be too
much of a cool girl and not talk to the camera.
(21:04):
But she's like, who am I kidding? This is me.
I just want to talk to the camera. And I
do think it is a part of this deliberate strategy
that you mentioned amy to stay relatable and popular during
the breakup. And in terms of how she's feeling, she
said that she's been experiencing waves of sadness and feeling overwhelmed,
but feels a lot lighter overall. Tammy also spoke about
(21:25):
how a brand had sent her an anxiety ring and
opened up about a time that she had a panic attack.
This is what she said, But I actually don't.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
I feel like I haven't been really anxious anymore. Like
it got really bad a while ago, to a point
where if I, like, say, I went to the gym,
I like the public gym with people around, I literally
would like run to my car and start like I
went to Colls once and I ran to my car
because someone said hi to me, and then I ran
(21:54):
to my crent started hyperventilating. But I'm not I'm fine. Now,
so feel free to stay hi to me, you see me.
I love when people say out at me. It wasn't
the fact, oh I can't do this.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It wasn't the.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Fact that someone like said hi to me. Like I
get that all the time, but I feel like, for
like a week them my nervous system was just fried
and everything was making me really like I was at
the point where I was literally like crying every single
day and I just felt like I couldn't function properly.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
But do I feel a lot better?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think it's really good that both Tammy and Matt
have been really open with their followers about their mental health.
I do have to end, though, on some shade that
Tammy threw at Matt this week, and it wouldn't be
a new week without Tammy throwing a little bit more
shade at Matt. So Tammy shared a video to her
TikTok on the Staremaster with the caption A step for
every time I should have listened to my sisters, and
(22:47):
underneath the video she wrote gonna be here all day.
I have to add the song that played in the
background of the video was Taylor Swift's most iconic breakup song,
all too well. Tammy's sister Emily commented underneath the video
laugh out loud seriously, though with a smashing head emoji.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
So nuds, what has been your most vanish moment of
all time?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Bech Chard has declared twenty twenty five is the year
women stop gaslighting each other and honest about the cosmetic
work they've had done. In an interview with Stellar magazine,
the forty two year old vowed to share exactly what
she's had done on her new podcast, aptly titled vein
Ish Now Kay. It's clear people wanted to know, because
twenty four hours after launching, Beck's podcast hit number one
(23:33):
on the Apple Podcast charts.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I mean I know. I tuned in with baited breath,
waiting for Beck to list all the cosmetic procedures that
she's had done, and I was left a little disappointed
because she ended up only detailing her morning routine. This
is what she said, This is just me today.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
I've got fake tan on, I've got those false the
stick on underlash lashes on. I've got hair extensions sewed in.
I used a prescription lash serum. I wanted to make
my eyelashes grow better. Accidentally stuck it in my eye,
and then I got pink o. I've got a fresh
set of shall like gel nails. I had in fizzline trays.
I took them out and I replaced with a fifteen
minute teeth whitening session. I did infrared sauna this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I'm drinking my.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
Age Mate anti aging supplement. After I had a breakfast
with super food porridge with my glutamine and collagen supplement smoothie.
I plucked out every single visible gray.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Hair that I could find.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
I use my prescription retino. I used my hyaluronic HB five.
I use my vitamin C serum. I stuck my silicon
nipple pads on. I overdrew my lips, I contoured my face.
I pulled my hair back in a really tight pony
to give myself a non surgical brow.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
If I waltz on into this studio, you did all
that before seven thirty this morning.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I was exhausted listening to all of that.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It made me reflect on my morning routine and how
different it was. I literally slapped makeup on while my
son's asleep. You know, have five minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
To do Infec's got four kids as well, so I'm
like fire. You must be so I organized. It made
me think, shit, should I actually be doing more in
the morning to myself.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
She has to be presentable. I do think Beck will
go into more detail about the cosmetic work that she's
had done in another episode. Well, I'm hoping, because I
really am interested to hear what work she's had done.
She has touched upon though, the fact that she gets injectable.
So during her interview on Stella's podcast, she spoke about
how seven years ago she was being followed by paparazzi
(25:27):
on the way to an appointment to get her filler,
and she ended up having to drive home because she
didn't want to be photographed there. Yeah, well, I can
understand that because ten years ago people didn't talk about
I can understand that because ten years ago people just
didn't talk about cosmetic procedures the way they do now, Like,
people are a lot more open and honest about what
they've had done. But previously it was kind of seen
(25:49):
as almost I'm not embarrassing, but people would shame other
women for doing things. Well, I think women still get shamed.
I mean, God, the Daily Mail somehow is in my
algorithm on my Facebook, and you see a headline. There
was one about Shane Warne's daughter on holiday wearing a bikini.
It was a paparazzi photo and it was like, oh,
she flaunts her body in a bikini. And then there
(26:10):
were eight hundred comments from these boomer men being absolutely
disgusting towards her and un women as well, shaming kind
of like this poor girl, she looks beautiful, She's gone
a holiday, The paparazzi have taken a photo of her,
and Daily Mail are trying to use as a click
bait for everyone to shame her about why she does
just help me flaunting herself going to the pool.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
She's not to know that the paparazzi are using long
lenses and taking photos of her.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, she had a bikini top on with a white overshirt. Anyway,
we digress, But in terms of Vanish, I found it
fascinating to be a fly on the wall to the
conversations that Beck and her co host Jess Roberts were having.
They are a similar age to us, so we're in
the same age bracket. But I have never had these
types of conversations with women my own age, and I
don't know if it's a wealth gap or potentially because
(26:56):
these women are in the public eye and their looks
are always being scrutiny.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So you're not going Salmon's sperm injectibles, You're not discussing
that with no no supposing that I'm actually not, but
I mean, I'm sure that there are women our age
who aren't rich and famous that are also getting a
lot of cosmic procedures done, but been involved in conversations
with friends talking about the pressure to get injectibles or
(27:20):
to try out lip filler and all of that kind
of thing. So while they might not be getting all
of the expensive procedures that these women are, I think
it's definitely something that women our age are talking about
and they're feeling the pressure.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh, I've definitely been involved in conversations about the pressure,
but it's just not something that people in our circle
go out and do, or maybe they just don't speak
about it. The way back and Jess were, I suppose
what really stood out to me was the fact that
they have the money to be able to go and
afford to do all of these different things. But in
saying that, I suppose this podcast is a vehicle for
them to go and get some of these procedures for
(27:52):
free and post about it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You've got to remember they are in the public eye,
so there would be a lot of extra pressure on
them to look good, especially beck Jad. Every year she
rocks up to the Brown Though, and everybody analyzes what
she's wearing, what she looks like. I actually thought the
podcast was quite refreshing, especially the interview with Nadia Bartel,
which we will go into in a minute, because they
didn't just say, oh, you know, you've got to get
a nose job and you've got to do this and
(28:14):
that with injectables. They're actually talking about ways that they
make their hair look nicer, and they spoke about having
hair extensions and they're huge routines to get their hair
looking like that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And it made me feel.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Better because I thought, well, Okay, that's why their hair
does look so good. It's not just that they're it's
not just that they've been blessed with this beautiful hair. Yeah,
I was surprised to hear that Nadia and beck both
have like extensions sown in, and it makes sense because
they've got such beautiful hair. But also the fact that
Nadia was saying that she didn't think she had beautiful hair,
Like you always just assume that these people think really
(28:48):
highly of themselves because they are so beautiful, but you
can kind of tell that they actually do have a
lot of insecurities. And you know, the podcast is labeled
vein ish. Often when people are labeled vain, they're not
actually vain, they're actually quite insecure.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, that is true. And while I did enjoy the podcast,
there was a part of me though that felt a
little bit sad, because getting older really is a privilege,
and I just think it's sad that society's got to
a point where we feel we have to erase any
sign of aging. And I'm not saying that this is
Beck Judd's fault for putting this podcast out, because obviously
there are these impossible beauty standards that we all have
(29:26):
to adhere to as women, but it just seems like
it's getting even more unrealistic. And it made me think, like,
is aging going to be a sign of class? Yeah?
A rich people always going to look eternally youthful and
poor people always going to look old. I mean, we've
seen recently with Chris Jenner's face. Everyone's been saying that
(29:47):
it's this wizardry and she looks like Kim Kadashian. But
let's be honest, that's a fuck ton of mind. I mean,
where it's like, you're not ugly, you're just poor.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, I mean eventually that's what it's going to be like.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, I mean one hundred percent, I know exactly what
you're saying, and I agree it is sad because I
think that women should be able to age gracefully. But
I also feel like we as women have so much
pressure in the workplace on social media to look a
certain way, And sometimes I think that if you can
take on some of these beauty regimes, like, for example,
(30:20):
if you're able to find out a few tips on
how to make your hair feel nice and it makes
you feel confident, you're going to feel better in yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I just look at the podcasts like this as a
bit of fun. I don't necessarily think that they're pushing
some evil narrative.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, but I wonder if promoting these types of conversations
are going to have a negative impact, because we're essentially
highlighting what these women are doing and making it feel
like it's the norm and that you should be doing
it too. Yeah, understand that's my consent.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And then but it's a double edged sword because you
could also say that it's good that they're having these
open conversations about what they've done, because then people realize, oh,
actually it's not nice. Ye, it's not natural, like they've
paid to have that knows.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, it is a tricky one, now, I know. I
said I felt like the first episode was a little
bit of a letdown because Beck didn't fully open up
about her procedures, and I wasn't actually super interested in
hearing the ins and out about the salmon sperm because
I think Kard actually spoke about it recently. Did seem
a little bit old. But I did really enjoy episode
two because, as you mentioned, Amy, Nadia Bartell was interviewed,
(31:21):
and she's friends with Beck and also Beck's co host
Jess Robbers, and they've been friends for over ten years,
so it really felt like you were eavesdropping on this
private conversation between friendance.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I realized when listening to this that I have never
really heard Beck, Judd, and Nadia Bartell speak that much.
You see them all the time on social media, but
this was the first time I actually got a gauge
of what their personalities actually like, and fuck, I think
Beck Judd's a legend. I also really liked Nadia Bartell.
I mean, Nadia Bartell kind of gave off the impression
that she was quite woo woo, which I did enjoy.
(31:54):
But with Beck Judd, I thought, I don't know, I
could imagine hanging out with Beck Judd and her being
a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, I said she that Beck seemed like a lad
and I couldn't think of the female term, but yeah,
she just seemed like a kind of a lot of
hand but not like yeah. But see, I have been
following Nadia a Battel on TikTok for quite a while now,
so I have heard her speak a lot, and I
really am a big fan. I'm obsessed with hair at
the moment because I bought a pair of Henny jeans
(32:20):
and now I feel like I need to buy every
single thing from the Henny store. Definitely jumped on that bandwagon.
I just can't afford it all.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
When she started That's hair, I was like writing down
a list on my phone. Okay, that oil oil, Okay,
that's how she does it. Okay, maybe I need to
get some hair extensions.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Or I said to Rees when I was on a walk,
I was like, I was contemplating getting bloody. So in
hair extensions as well. But I'm someone where I would
find that so overstimulating I'd probably rip them out, Like
I just at the end of the night. I usually
were active where all day and I have to go
change into my trackies because even that's too uncomfortable for me.
Like I am someone that needs to be super comfortable
with me.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Flashback, So the Dallas Cowboys, the second series, you know
when they were doing the makeovers and Dale and I
were watching it and they're like sewing hair into women's
heads and this is the reality. This is why these
women have the most amazing hair.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's not real. Yeah, it's a wig. Yeah. Well, as
you touched on earlier, Amy, it wasn't just Nadia saying,
oh I get this and that done. She did talk
about her morning routine and the wellness practices that she does,
but she did get more into the nitty gritty when
she was asked what the most vanish thing she had
ever done was. This is what she said, a.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
Most Vanish moment, I've had quite a few quiet we've
all done.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
We've all had it.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I think probably it would have to be getting my nose.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Doneh and a nose job, you know it's done.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, leaving and having pap photos come out everywhere so
everyone knew at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That was fun. Now I must have missed this, but
back in twenty twenty, Nadia was papped fresh from her
hospital state with a bandage over her nose. She did
have a mind because it was twenty twenty and it
was COVID times, and I'm thinking she obviously planned it
in the height of COVID so she could try and
conceal the fact that she'd had it done. But unfortunately
(34:10):
the bandage just popped above the mask.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Well that's actually really clever if she planned it out
that way. On the podcast, she was saying that she
has no idea how that even got out to the paparazzi,
like she was even questioning was it one of the
nurses that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Tipped them off?
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, I mean it was interesting to hear her finally
talk about it because obviously we missed it, but a
lot of people would have seen those photos are known
that she had got a nose job, and she said
that her nose was something that has always made her
feel a bit self conscious growing up, and she said
she never wanted to wear her hair up because she
felt like it drew focus to her nose. But she said,
(34:46):
looking back now, she questioned whether she would do it,
because she said, it's something that you think is a
really big issue at the time, but it's all in
your head.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, I never even realized that she had a notes job,
so obviously for an outsider like me looking in, I
didn't think that she had a problem with her nose.
It's fun of these things that you just pick apart
about yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, obviously being in the public eye for nearly
twenty years now like Nadia has because she started dating
Jimmy Bartel when she was twenty one, and a couple
of months ago, when all that horrible conversation about Chloe
Pink's wedding photos was happening, Nadia came out and spoke
about how disgusting the trolling was that she received when
she started dating Jimmy, and she said, back then she
(35:27):
wasn't in the industry. She was working a nine to
five job, and she was twenty one years old, and
she was having people comment about her facial features and
say that she looked like a man. So obviously those
comments have really hurt her and potentially could be the
reason why she did go get this nose job done. Yeah, well,
we spoke about it briefly on our subs episode. I
have seen so many girlfriends and wives of AFL players
(35:50):
popping up on TikTok and all the comments are like
a year or four and I thought players only dated tens.
Is absolutely disgusting. Yeah, well, unfortunately for these women, that
is where these hyper masculine men who love the footy
meet across with influences, and it's often the wives and
girlfriends of the players who then get abused by these
(36:10):
men who normally wouldn't be viewing their content and they
think that they have the right to talk about their appearance,
which is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And then we wonder why these women are queuing up
to have all of these medical procedures done because people
are vile.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, and then these men jump in the comments on
the Daily Mail when they're reporting on it. Oh, you're
a narcosystem. You're so vain, it's like.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Insecure because of the way that you've spoken to them
for years.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
So I have a funny story.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Robert Irwin has inadvertently put a Cough's Harbor restaurant on
the map after accidentally skipping out on the bill.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Okay, this is my favorite story of the week. So
Rob was road tripping around the East Coast of Australia
when he stopped at a restaurant to grab a takeaway salad,
and whilst he was in there, he was absolutely mobbed
by fans wanting photos, and in chaos of it all,
he forgot to pay for his salad. Now, Rob took
to TikTok to explain his error. Let's have a listened
(37:06):
to what he said.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
The next morning, I wake up and realize I never
paid for my salad. I just did the old din
and dash, and I didn't even realize I'd done it.
I felt terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So Rob had already left Coff's Harbor, so he immediately
rang the restaurant to see if he could transfer the money.
The owners told him not to worry and off handedly said,
just leave us a good review.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Well, he certainly has delivered on his promise because he
skipped the Google review route and instead took to TikTok.
Here's what he said.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
There are eight million of you guys on here, so
you know what to do. I have tagged them go
and support the Jetty Pavilion in Coffs Harbor, a fantastic
local business, great team, great food, amazing atmosphere. That's my review.
They are the absolute best.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And vowed to return to the Jetti Pavilion to pay
for his salad.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Today is not the day I start my life of crime.
As much as the tabloids would love that, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
So not only was Rob a man of his word
and returned to the restaurant, he also had a sit
down lunch with the owners and paid forward two hundred
dollars worth of salad for others to eat.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Could he get any nicer? He's such a legend. His
dad would be so proud of him.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
And it's crazy the power of Rob Irwin. Because his
TikTok resulted in this restaurant gaining over eleven thousand extra
Instagram followers. They also got four thousand new followers on
TikTok and they reported a fifty percent rise in business
since the post went live. They also said they had
one point five million hits on their website.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
God so skipping out on the bill for a twenty
dollars salad. They really made up for it, didn't Yeah,
and this.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Story has been everywhere, so the Today Show did something
about it. Seven News ended up doing a story. So
what's quite funny is seven News obviously wrung the restaurant
and said, how can we come down and do something?
And this was the day that Rob decided to return
to pay for his salad, So they must have been
absolutely licking their lips at the fact that they.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Could then get Rob on camera.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
But a lot of this media attention has made people
really cynical, and everyone's saying, oh, is this just.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A big publicity stunt? Come on, I mean it's not
like it's not like Robert Erwin's got shares in this restaurant.
I think it is just a very lucky opportunity for
the restaurant. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So one cynic on TikTok accused Rob and the restaurant
of a setup. So they said, surely this was a
marketing ploy. Now the restaurant responded saying, oh, absolutely, it
was all part of our master plan Step one orchestrate chaos,
step two, collect free publicity, step three, take over the world.
And yes, the Earth is flat, the dinosaurs had feathers,
and Elvis is living in Byron with Bigfoot. Another person
(39:47):
said cameras had to be there, to which the restaurant responded, yeah,
what a chance. We told him we had seven News
coming as a heads up, and he went along with it,
no fuss.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, somehow, don't think Robert Erwin would be racing down
there if he knew the new station was there.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Also, to get somebody like Robert Erwin to be involved
in this kind of promotion would cost a huge amount
of money. I'd estimate around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Restaurant is not paying somebody like Rob Erwin to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, definitely not. I mean all I can think about, though,
is what salad did Robert eat? Was a really nice one.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, it looked amazing. They put a photo of it up.
It's called the harvest bowl, so it's very healthy. I mean,
obviously he's got that body to maintain that was in
the box commercial. So his salad had turmeric, cauliflower, quinwa, avocado,
pickled veg, cherry tomatoes, sweet potatoes, tahini sauce, and alfalfa
sprouts and there are calls for this salad to be
named after Rob. Someone suggested it should be called the
(40:45):
Din and Dash Salads.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I read that the restaurant are actually considering naming it
after Rob Erwin, which would make a lot of sense
because if they're getting all of this extra business, everyone
wants to know which salad he got.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
They were also talking about making a Rob Ierwin cocktail,
which was going to involve like a little crocodile and some.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Green jelly and all. I've got a name for it,
the croptail. Oh that's good. Actually a right, guys, I've
done it.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I've joined Tinder.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Breaking news for gen Zetters. Bailey Smith is on dating
app Tinder. The Geelong staff fronted the campaign for the
app's new double date feature and a big move to
bring gen Zetters back to the app.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Anyone who's got TikTok would have seen this ad popping
up every time I logged into it. I saw Bailey
Smith's face telling me how he's joined Tinder. They must
have put so much money behind this campaign.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I was thinking he must have been paid a
pretty penny for this ad, because he would be absolutely
copying it in the change rooms. At Geelong.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well I had a look on his Instagram account and
runner ned Brockman sarcastically wrote under his announcement post, hey mate,
thought you'd be struggling to get dates. Good to see
you trying Tinder out, and his comment received three point
seven thousand likes.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
That's absolutely a classic. I mean that's what everyone is thinking.
There is no way that Bailey Smith is using Tinder
to get dates. But yeah, he's a great get because
it's putting hope out there that maybe hot guys will
be on Tinder again. Well, there have been other people
popping up on TikTok questioning the legitimacy of as you said,
whether he is actually on Tinder, and I had a
(42:15):
laugh at this video.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
I need to be financially compensated for having to open
up TikTok every single time. Barely Smith advertising Tinder. Firstly,
he's not on Tinder. He's on fucking Riya because he's
one of those people with those connections.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I mean, she's got a point. If he's on a
dating app, he'd be on Riya. I was pretty shocked
because I know that some of these dating apps have
introduced new features like super likes that you have to
pay for. But I didn't realize how expensive it was
now to be on dating apps. It sounds like it
costs you an arm and a leg, and they actually
now have an algorithm which stops you from matching with
(42:52):
anyone decent if you don't pay.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, because I think it's on Tinder, you only get
one hundred swipes every twelve hours, so that's really yeah,
but like think how many Like sometimes I've been on
Tinder obviously before I was married, and you would go
through a hundred people easily and not see anybody that
you liked.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
True.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
What's funny is I remember what like ten years ago,
if you're on Tinder and you were paying for it,
you're a bit of a loser. Yeah, well sorry, you
weren't a loser, but I think there was that stigma that, oh,
why would you pay to go on Tinder? But now
that is like Tinder is making billions of dollars each
year from people signing up to the.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Way you say that, But a lot of the dating
apps have actually been having to lay off a lot
of staff. Like recently Bumble spoke about how they've lost
so much money because people are just not using the
apps anymore, and do you know why that is.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
There's been a study and apparently gen zetters and millennials
don't want to meet people online. They actually want to
meet people in real life. And a lot of people
are saying that running clubs have destroyed online dating apps
because people are choosing to go there to meet their
partners instead.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I think it's also a case of people's parents being
on the apps and being seen as this sort of
millennial thing.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
A lot of elder millennials probably have teenage kids now,
and you don't want to be on the apps. Like
I know, you can pick the age group, but you
don't really want to be on the same apps as
your parents. I think that the app market is now
perfect for forty year old's probably got divorced looking for
someone something serious. And also I think with young people
it just became like a booty call place.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, Tinder was seen very much as a hookup app,
and when you look at the stats, it reveals that
three quarters of Tinder users are actually men. So you
can see why they are rolling out this campaign with
Bailey Smith. I mean, it's clearly aimed at getting gen
Z women back onto the app.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, I've heard these apps are completely flooded by men.
So men in particular have to spend a lot of
money in order to actually get served up women who
are on the app that they want to date. And
there are so many men who actually just don't get
any matches because there's just such a big pool of them.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Well, that's why I think this campaign's so clever, because
obviously getting the word out to females that Tinder is
the place to be if people like Bailey Smith are
apparently on there. I mean, the campaign videos that TikTok
have done have gone off. Bailey also featured on the
We Mean Well podcast, which is hosted by Jack and Lou.
They also had Georgia Productions, which is a big gen
(45:17):
Z TikToker. So Tinder have clearly done their research and
thought who are the influences that are speaking to gen
Z's And if you think about it, how many young
girls would be signing up to the subscription so they
could actually swipe right on Bailey Smith.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I wonder if it's a part of his contract that
he actually has to go on a Tinder double date.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Well, he was interviewed on The Today Show and he
admitted that he hasn't actually been on any dates yet,
but he said that his mate Angus, who he signed
up with, has been swiping a lot on people, and
he said that he actually is a bit annoyed because
he thinks that angers should gain his permission on who
he can actually agree to go on these days with.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Obviously doesn't agree.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, he doesn't agree with the women that swipe. Wouldn't
you be devastated, You like telling all your friends, oh
my god, like Bailey Smith has agreed to go on
this date with me and then he's like shitcanning it
on the Today Show.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, it's probably not really good for Tinder either, to
be like all the quality is it's not that great.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Well, it was quite funny because in all of the
interviews you could tell that he was begrudgingly talking about
He's like, yeah, Tinder has launched this feature where you
get He was very scripted, but still I.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Think it's been a massive win for Tinder. Well that's
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Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Matt Zukowski
opens up about his divorce from Tammy henbro Beck Judd
vows to share exactly what cosmetic procedures she's had done.
AFL star Bailey Smith joins Tinder and Rob Erwin's Dine
(00:25):
and Dash, But first, Rachel Dylan and Toby Pierce have
welcomed their first child together after a well documented IVF journey.
The fitness influencer revealed the news to her one point
nine million Instagram followers. Sharia caarausel of photos with the
caption our little love is earthside, fourth of July twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This was obviously beautiful news, but all I wanted to
know was what is the baby name? Because a couple
of weeks ago we discussed how Rachel accidentally slipped up
on her Instagram story and dropped the name, and at
the time she begged of follow us to keep it
a secret. And it seems like she has some very
loyal followers because I didn't see it pop up anywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, It's pretty incredible it stayed a secret because normally
when an influencer makes a mistake like that, it ends
up on one of the influencer watchdog pages. Yeah, I'm
glad it didn't because it is really such a special
thing to announce the name yourself. So Rachel and Toby
went with the name Easton J.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Pierce. And interestingly, Rachel's handle on Instagram and TikTok is
Rachel J. Dylan. So I'm guessing they took inspiration from
her name.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Wait, so it was the middle name just J. Just
the letter Jyeah, just the letter J.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah. So not Jay like Kayla at Cinas's husband, which
would have been a little bit awkward because of course,
Kayla Asinas used to be engaged to Toby Pierce. They
have a daughter together called Anna. How cute was the
video of Anna meeting her new baby brother. Oh she
is just adorable.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I think we need to throw to a grubsn ps.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
This is his name. Oh my god, Oh keep you
a bit ticed. It all my life to keep you healthy.
He never get set.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm so cute.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Sh my god, I just feel like this is a dream.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
God.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
She cracks me up every time. She's in either Kayla
or Rachel or Toby's content.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I laugh so much talking about cute baby Eastern is gorgeous.
He looks exactly like Toby. Oh, he's got some strong
jeans there. Because Anna, I feel like takes after Toby
as well. I found it really interesting to see what
Rachel and Toby decided to do after the birth of Eastern,
because obviously they're very wealthy, and they look like they
were in a beautiful hospital. And Rachel didn't take long
(02:35):
to enjoy sushi again, so she shared a photo of
her breastfeeding in a hospital bed, looking very glamorous, eating
this beautiful plate of sushi with chopsticks. Well, sushi was
one of the number one things I wanted to eat
after giving birth, but for some reason, I just couldn't
stomach it in hospital.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But I'm guessing they were even quite.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
A ritzy hospital that probably didn't even feel like hospital.
I keep getting fed this content of these influencers who
go into the private system. It's either Melbourne or Sydney,
and they get transferred from the private hospital to a
really fancy hotel. Have you seen those?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, Anna Macavoy posted one and I was like, oh
my god, we did our postpartum early days so differently,
Like it looked incredible, but it's.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Like a BMW that comes and picks them up. Yeah,
it's a full show for service. Yeah, I mean that
looks the right way to do postpartum. I feel like
what I kept telling myself is because we both went
through the public system, is we didn't have to pay
a dime. These people probably hit up with about a
ten K bill. Okay, it may have felt good in
the time, but I'd rather put ten k towards my
baby or maybe it's going on a holiday eventually.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Definitely bye.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Now you would have heard that Tammy and I are
getting a divorce.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Matt Sakowski has opened up about his divorce from Tammy
Hembro on his podcast Where's Your.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Head at Now.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There was a bit of confusion Kate because the episode
disappeared after being live for just a couple of hours.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
A host beside myself because I went to listen to
this at eight o'clock. The episode was called We're back
with some Updates dot dot dot. I was like, oh
my gosh, excellent, this is going to be so good.
When to click on it and suddenly it had disappeared,
and I kept refreshing my feed. I'm like, hang on,
he said, it was about two hours ago, but all
I can find is the old episode about Anna talking
about pregnancy. I was like what.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, that just made me think, oh my god, what
has he said in this episode?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I was like, it's been pulled down.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I have lawyers become involved, Like has he dropped
some really juicy details?
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I was so confused because Anna and Matt had posted
on Tuesday that they were back in the studio ready
to record, and I did some digging. I went on
their Instagram page and it turns out other people were
having the same issue that I was, and there were
a lot of comments on their instagram saying like why
can't we listen? And no one was responding, which I
thought was a little bit weird. Now, the episode was
back up on Thursday, and Matt shared a link to
(04:47):
it on his Instagram account and wrote, I had an
anxiety attack about posting this episode. The last few weeks
have been very hard for me mentally. Hopefully I will
be in a place one day where I can talk
about my experience further, but right now I am focusing healing,
finding myself and my confidence. Again. Thank you again for
all your kind messages.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
The more I hear from Matt, the more I feel
sorry for everybody involved in this, because you sometimes forget
there are real people behind this. Yeah, And I suppose
that's because Tammy came out with her statement first, and
she was crying and seemed really upset, so you immediately think, oh, Okay,
Matt's done something wrong. But when you hear his side
of things, you're like, okay, well, there's obviously two sides
(05:27):
to the story. And it seems like Matt may have
listened to our episode last week because it seems like
he took our pr advice on board, so he briefly
addressed the breakup and was really respectful towards Tammy, and
he ended up talking about the divorce at the start
of the episode in this pre recorded segment without his
co host Anna McAvoy, And when I was reflecting on
(05:49):
what the episodes are normally like, it made sense to
address it at the start because their podcast introduction references
that Matt and Anna are both newlywed, so they couldn't
really have that play at the beginning, so the intro
was obviously removed, and I'm really interested to see what
they run with next week. It's like one newly wed
a one divorce A. I mean, it is going to
add a new element to the podcast, Matt being divorced,
(06:12):
because he's going to be able to speak from this
experience and I suppose relate to other people. I wonder
how many people actually listen to the whole podcast. Like
you know, when you look in the back end of
a podcast, you can actually see that I've dropped off.
It's just like, yeah, it might stop.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
As for the Matt statement, let's take a listen to
some of what he said.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
By now you would have heard that Tammy and I
are getting a divorce. There is no easy way for
me to say this and to speak about it. I'm
absolutely shattered to announce it, to be honest, but at
the end of the day, we weren't right for each other,
and in this relationship, I've learnt a lot about myself.
I've learned a lot about what I need in a
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relationship and what's right for me. And moving forward, I'm
going to focus on myself and focus on healing and
moving forward with my life. I know there's a lot
of speculation, and people are looking for me to say
a tael all and clear up all the whispers online.
But that's not me. It's not the right way to
(07:17):
go about this. This is literally real life, like this
is happening to me right now, and I'm still trying
to process it. I'm still trying to heal from it.
At the end of the day, Tammy is a mother
of three beautiful children, and I think that I have
too much respect for us and the relationship we had,
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and that's just not something I want to do. This
has been one of the toughest periods of my life,
and it's honestly been so stressful on my mental health.
And right now I'm not in a place where i
want to talk about this any further. But I've been
hanging around my loved ones, my family. I've been going
to therapy, which has helped heaps in navigating this time
(08:00):
in my life. I'd just like to say I appreciate
everyone's understanding and kindness during this time now.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Matt went on to say he was grateful for the
kind messages he had been receiving and hope doing the
podcast would help him forget what was going on and
was an opportunity for him just to have some fun.
He finished up by asking his listeners for grace as
he navigated through this difficult time.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
When I heard that, I thought, it's going to be
quite difficult to just have fun with this podcast because
it's all about relationships.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, but in saying that, when he was joined by
Anna mackinvoy, I felt like he seemed a lot happier.
Like his tone the last couple of months has been
very down, obviously because he's been going through this breakup.
H but he definitely seemed back to himself, I thought. Now,
despite addressing the divorce at the start of the episode,
when Anna joined him on the mics, they did have
a quick chat about it, and I found the language
(08:49):
really interesting that they use. So the word heel was
used four times, and there were lots of references to
Matt's mental health. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm struggling a lot. Obviously, this wasn't what
I wanted nor expected to happen. Going to therapy quite regularly.
I haven't spoken that much to you or friends about
it because I feel like not many people understand the
ins and outs of it. So yeah, I talk a
lot with my therapists and it's just getting a better
(09:20):
understanding of everything. And look, it's heartbreaking. I think it
comes and goes in waves. It's really strange time in
my life. But I feel like the main thing I'm
focusing on now is healing myself and coming out with
a better understanding of myself and life.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I feel Do you feel like you guys made the
right decision?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, I mean you guys wouldn't have got married if
you didn't think it was going to be forever, so exactly. Well,
thank you for sharing. We all really appreciate it. I
know that it's not something that you fully want to
jump into. You're just healing and looking after you and
your mental health, and I think that's really important. I
know that your mental health has suffered, so yeah, just
(10:04):
looking after yourself, doing things to fill your cup. We've
both gone through some very big life changes. So there's
a lot that's going to be happening on the podcast
coming up, and you know, we just want to move forward.
And yeah, I'm always here to support you.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And I'd like to thank you for that, and my
friends and family for being there for me through this
rough time. I really appreciate it as well. I know
I obviously, like I said, I'm not sharing completely everything,
so I'm trying to heal myself, but I appreciate everyone
being there for me.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
And I think just a reminder as well. Divorce is
super hard. I can't even imagine doing it in the
public eye like you have, and everyone having their opinions
and putting their two cents in without actually knowing what's happened.
So just a reminder to give everyone in the situation grace,
Let everyone have a chance to heal. And Matt and
(11:01):
Tammy nothing but the best.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I mean, as we predicted last week, Matt was always
going to try and shift the narrative, and as I
touched on before, in terms of public perception, I think
Tammy absolutely won the breakup announcement because she came across
as very self aware. She appeared to be genuinely hurting
in that situation.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
She also got the first word out, and often when
it's the first person that makes the announcement, it seems
like either they've been wronged or I suppose they get
to dictate how it unfolds.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I think she really set the narrative that she
was the victim in the situation, and while she was
really respectful, there were a few pointed comments that if
you read between the lines, it was Matt's fault that
they got divorced. So it only makes sense for Matt
that he really wanted to switch things up and share
his side of the story. And hats off to him
because I think he executed it pretty perfectly. He kept
it professional and respectful whilst hitting on really some key
(11:54):
points about his mental health and how the breakup has
affected him.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I thought he did a really good job, and if
he's able to maintain this sort of dignified response, I
think it's actually just going to turn out quite well
for him, because I think what we're seeing is Tammy
is posting a lot about the breakup on her TikTok,
like subtle digs at Matt, and while a lot of
people have enjoyed them so far, I think if she
continues to do it, we might see people turning. Yeah,
(12:20):
the less you say, the less can be used against you, essentially,
And I definitely think he got a professional to help
him with his statement and that was a very good move.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
On his behalf. Or did he just listen to Outspoken
the podcast last week. To be fair, they recorded on Tuesday,
so or he could have in the morning, maybe potentially.
I also think Ana macavoy did a good job because
she played the protective big sister role very well. And
the comment about everyone having an opinion without knowing what's
happened was pretty interesting. So it seems like they're saying
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that there's more to this story than meets the eye.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, it was very telling. And last week we also
discussed how we thought Matt might go down the path
of calling out trolls, and this is of course off
the back of Indy clinton popular decision to hire a
PI to dig up dirt on her trolls, and funnily enough,
Matt and Anna referenced Indy and her PI while talking
about how Anna had been trolled for going to the
hairdresser when she had a newborn. I saw this over TikTok.
(13:13):
It was so ridiculous, Like the mum shaming is next
level on there. In saying that, though, I was almost
not surprised because every video a mum post, it's like
everyone goes off in the comments about, well, I don't
do that, that's not fair and you know, I'm sure
he's fucking off having his hair cut. No one, bloody
bats and eye.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I definitely think it was disgusting that Anna got trolled,
but TikTok at the moment, it's just a cesspool and
every parenting video it's like people just clashing about what
they do and I'm always right.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, well, how interesting was it when they were talking
about seeing someone, you know, trolling someone in the comment section.
Let's have a listen to what they said.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
It happened recently to a mutual person that we know.
I'm pretty sure they would listen to this podcast as well,
so we're not gonna say too much, but yeah, we
saw that they were trolling your divorce and I just thought.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Wow, it's icky, it's ikey. But anyway, now, when I
heard this, I initially wondered if they were referring to
Kira maguire because So Dramatic reported that Kira liked Tammy's
post the day after she announced her divorce, and the
photo in question was of Tammy wearing what was being
touted as her revenge dress, that beautiful pink dress. So
(14:23):
Kira not only liked the post but wrote stunning with
a love hot.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And listeners might forget. So Kira Maguire actually dated Matt Sakowski.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I mean, how wild is that.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I've been looking into their relationship for our Tammy Hanbury
deep Dive, and I didn't realize there was such a
big age difference. There's nine years between Kira and Matt,
and there's always been a lot of speculation that Matt
dated her for clout and publicity because he started going
out with her when she just finished on Bachelor and Paradise.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, you forget how popular she actually was at
the time.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah. So anyway, Kira's gone and posted stunning with a
love hear on Tammy's post, and it's been liking a
lot of them. I mean, some people were saying that
Kira's been following Tammy for a long time and liking
her post, but I had a quick brows and I
couldn't see her engaging with many of her posts. So
it's not to say that it happened, but I do
think that it was a strategic move from Kira to
be like, hey, Tammy, I'm on your side, and Matt's
(15:16):
a dickhead basically another very active person on Tammy's post
has been none other than Jordan Simmeck.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I know. I saw him liking every single one of
her posts, and I could see them getting together. He
is a walking red flag. So Tammy, please be careful.
Listen to me. Sisters, please, yes, listen to them now.
Matt also spoke about what it was like meeting Anna's
newborn son, Swede for the first time, and he said
he hadn't held a newborn for ten years and found
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the experience quite emotional and grounding. And that's probably because
he only recently, in the last couple of years, found
out that he's going to struggle to naturally conceive a child.
And Anna said that she shared a photo with Matt's
mum of him holding Swede, and then spoke to his
mum on the phone a few day years later. This
is what she said.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
And your mom was on the phone and your mum
was saying that it made her really upset seeing you
with like a newborn baby. She was saying it was
really bittersweet for her.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, I think that like in the position I'm in,
I may never have the ability to hold my own newborn,
So I can understand why my mum would say that
and I think, actually my family have processed that, whereas
I don't think fully have and I brought up with
my therapist and I'm talking about I think that in
a way, I've not really fully processed it where I
(16:35):
thought I had. I didn't think of it when I
held swayed in that way. But I think, yeah, I
think maybe in the back of my mind it might
be there, and I think that's something that I will
get to in mon time.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Well, I mean, you don't see a newborn every day,
so me having one is probably bringing up that conversation
that maybe you and your mom don't really talk about
the fact that you're infertile, so it kind of like
rebrings it to the surface in some ways.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yep, this is the kind of content that we needed
from Matt in his interview with The Inherited podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, and that's why it makes me think more and
more that a PR advisor was involved in this episode.
It is so different when you think back to the
episode that Anna and Matt did about the Grand Prix
cheating scandal. They really managed to humanize Matt here, particularly
after he copped quite a lot of backlash about the
way he referred to Tammy's kids coldly in their divorce announcement.
(17:26):
This was a great way to say, Look, he likes children,
he's a nice.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
You could tell that that divorce announcement was just thrown
together really quickly. It was like a reactive announcement to
Tammy dropping the bomb on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah and Amy. As you mentioned earlier, Tammy has been
very active on her social media channels, particularly TikTok. Over
the weekend, she jumped on board that prank call challenge
where you call someone up and say good night, and
she chose to prank call none other than her first
ex fiance, Reyese Hawkins. Let's throw to some of the audio.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
I'm just calling to say good night. I'm just going
to say good night. What do you mean? I just
can't say good night to you? What do you mean
I'm the mother of your children. Can't say good night, friendly,
(18:23):
good night, good night later.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I can't believe this. I was like the timing of it,
I think so reflecting. It was Emily that was with
her and they were at the airport, so I think
they filmed it a couple of weeks ago when they
were going with their supplement company to bond I to
do that pop up.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, well, doesn't he just have the most recognizable voice?
Tammy like, it is just it's quite a cute voice,
but it's just very recognizable.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, I recognized his voice instantly. It was interesting that
she dropped, Oh, I normally FaceTime him. I mean, I
suppose she must talk to him quite regularly and put
the kids on the phone. But it was so interesting
that she decided to share this video off the back
of obviously announcing her divorce. And there's also been a
lot of online chatter of people saying that we want
Tammy and Reese back together. In fact, Tammy even commented
(19:30):
recently on the video that we shared promoting the Tammy
and Reese episode. Yeah, and there was this horrible comment
someone wrote about how Tammy doesn't let Reese's parents see
their grandchildren, which is absolutely bullshit because Tammy often talks
about how they babysit for her during the school holidays,
and she commented back saying this is completely untrue. So
(19:52):
I found it really interesting that she knows that people
are shipping their old relationship and that she shared this
because the first thing I thought was, are they getting
back to because she's also mentioned that she wants to
do a trip to Balley, which is of course where
Reez Hawkins now live.
Speaker 9 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I just found the whole thing so intriguing because it's
like Tammy knows exactly what to do to stay relevant
in Yeah, because normally you think, if you've just gone
through this divorce, you might put your head down and
just stay quiet.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
She's like doing I mean, I love it. It's so entertaining.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
She's just doing all of these things that her followers
would love or ship, Like everyone wants her getting back
with Reese now because everyone basically couldn't stand her on
Matt Sekowski. Like she's just giving her followers what they want.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, well we missed out on all of that with
Matt Paul, So maybe this is just a double whammy.
Like here you go, fans, I'm gonna give you what
you want.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I just want to know what does Amy and Emily
think of Reese.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, maybe they can let us know what they if
they ship this requtionship to. I mean, Emily was one
filming the prank video, so they must be on okay terms.
In terms of how Tammy's feeling, she has been posting
more content on TikTok where she just talks to the camera,
and she said previous she was trying to be too
much of a cool girl and not talk to the camera.
(21:04):
But she's like, who am I kidding? This is me.
I just want to talk to the camera. And I
do think it is a part of this deliberate strategy
that you mentioned amy to stay relatable and popular during
the breakup. And in terms of how she's feeling, she
said that she's been experiencing waves of sadness and feeling overwhelmed,
but feels a lot lighter overall. Tammy also spoke about
(21:25):
how a brand had sent her an anxiety ring and
opened up about a time that she had a panic attack.
This is what she said, But I actually don't.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
I feel like I haven't been really anxious anymore. Like
it got really bad a while ago, to a point
where if I, like, say, I went to the gym,
I like the public gym with people around, I literally
would like run to my car and start like I
went to Colls once and I ran to my car
because someone said hi to me, and then I ran
(21:54):
to my crent started hyperventilating. But I'm not I'm fine. Now,
so feel free to stay hi to me, you see me.
I love when people say out at me. It wasn't
the fact, oh I can't do this.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It wasn't the.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Fact that someone like said hi to me. Like I
get that all the time, but I feel like, for
like a week them my nervous system was just fried
and everything was making me really like I was at
the point where I was literally like crying every single
day and I just felt like I couldn't function properly.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
But do I feel a lot better?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think it's really good that both Tammy and Matt
have been really open with their followers about their mental health.
I do have to end, though, on some shade that
Tammy threw at Matt this week, and it wouldn't be
a new week without Tammy throwing a little bit more
shade at Matt. So Tammy shared a video to her
TikTok on the Staremaster with the caption A step for
every time I should have listened to my sisters, and
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underneath the video she wrote gonna be here all day.
I have to add the song that played in the
background of the video was Taylor Swift's most iconic breakup song,
all too well. Tammy's sister Emily commented underneath the video
laugh out loud seriously, though with a smashing head emoji.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
So nuds, what has been your most vanish moment of
all time?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Bech Chard has declared twenty twenty five is the year
women stop gaslighting each other and honest about the cosmetic
work they've had done. In an interview with Stellar magazine,
the forty two year old vowed to share exactly what
she's had done on her new podcast, aptly titled vein
Ish Now Kay. It's clear people wanted to know, because
twenty four hours after launching, Beck's podcast hit number one
(23:33):
on the Apple Podcast charts.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I mean I know. I tuned in with baited breath,
waiting for Beck to list all the cosmetic procedures that
she's had done, and I was left a little disappointed
because she ended up only detailing her morning routine. This
is what she said, This is just me today.
Speaker 9 (23:50):
I've got fake tan on, I've got those false the
stick on underlash lashes on. I've got hair extensions sewed in.
I used a prescription lash serum. I wanted to make
my eyelashes grow better. Accidentally stuck it in my eye,
and then I got pink o. I've got a fresh
set of shall like gel nails. I had in fizzline trays.
I took them out and I replaced with a fifteen
minute teeth whitening session. I did infrared sauna this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I'm drinking my.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
Age Mate anti aging supplement. After I had a breakfast
with super food porridge with my glutamine and collagen supplement smoothie.
I plucked out every single visible gray.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Hair that I could find.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
I use my prescription retino. I used my hyaluronic HB five.
I use my vitamin C serum. I stuck my silicon
nipple pads on. I overdrew my lips, I contoured my face.
I pulled my hair back in a really tight pony
to give myself a non surgical brow.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
If I waltz on into this studio, you did all
that before seven thirty this morning.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I was exhausted listening to all of that.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It made me reflect on my morning routine and how
different it was. I literally slapped makeup on while my
son's asleep. You know, have five minutes.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
To do Infec's got four kids as well, so I'm
like fire. You must be so I organized. It made
me think, shit, should I actually be doing more in
the morning to myself.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
She has to be presentable. I do think Beck will
go into more detail about the cosmetic work that she's
had done in another episode. Well, I'm hoping, because I
really am interested to hear what work she's had done.
She has touched upon though, the fact that she gets injectable.
So during her interview on Stella's podcast, she spoke about
how seven years ago she was being followed by paparazzi
(25:27):
on the way to an appointment to get her filler,
and she ended up having to drive home because she
didn't want to be photographed there. Yeah, well, I can
understand that because ten years ago people didn't talk about
I can understand that because ten years ago people just
didn't talk about cosmetic procedures the way they do now, Like,
people are a lot more open and honest about what
they've had done. But previously it was kind of seen
(25:49):
as almost I'm not embarrassing, but people would shame other
women for doing things. Well, I think women still get shamed.
I mean, God, the Daily Mail somehow is in my
algorithm on my Facebook, and you see a headline. There
was one about Shane Warne's daughter on holiday wearing a bikini.
It was a paparazzi photo and it was like, oh,
she flaunts her body in a bikini. And then there
(26:10):
were eight hundred comments from these boomer men being absolutely
disgusting towards her and un women as well, shaming kind
of like this poor girl, she looks beautiful, She's gone
a holiday, The paparazzi have taken a photo of her,
and Daily Mail are trying to use as a click
bait for everyone to shame her about why she does
just help me flaunting herself going to the pool.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
She's not to know that the paparazzi are using long
lenses and taking photos of her.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, she had a bikini top on with a white overshirt. Anyway,
we digress, But in terms of Vanish, I found it
fascinating to be a fly on the wall to the
conversations that Beck and her co host Jess Roberts were having.
They are a similar age to us, so we're in
the same age bracket. But I have never had these
types of conversations with women my own age, and I
don't know if it's a wealth gap or potentially because
(26:56):
these women are in the public eye and their looks
are always being scrutiny.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So you're not going Salmon's sperm injectibles, You're not discussing
that with no no supposing that I'm actually not, but
I mean, I'm sure that there are women our age
who aren't rich and famous that are also getting a
lot of cosmic procedures done, but been involved in conversations
with friends talking about the pressure to get injectibles or
(27:20):
to try out lip filler and all of that kind
of thing. So while they might not be getting all
of the expensive procedures that these women are, I think
it's definitely something that women our age are talking about
and they're feeling the pressure.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh, I've definitely been involved in conversations about the pressure,
but it's just not something that people in our circle
go out and do, or maybe they just don't speak
about it. The way back and Jess were, I suppose
what really stood out to me was the fact that
they have the money to be able to go and
afford to do all of these different things. But in
saying that, I suppose this podcast is a vehicle for
them to go and get some of these procedures for
(27:52):
free and post about it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You've got to remember they are in the public eye,
so there would be a lot of extra pressure on
them to look good, especially beck Jad. Every year she
rocks up to the Brown Though, and everybody analyzes what
she's wearing, what she looks like. I actually thought the
podcast was quite refreshing, especially the interview with Nadia Bartel,
which we will go into in a minute, because they
didn't just say, oh, you know, you've got to get
a nose job and you've got to do this and
(28:14):
that with injectables. They're actually talking about ways that they
make their hair look nicer, and they spoke about having
hair extensions and they're huge routines to get their hair
looking like that.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And it made me feel.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Better because I thought, well, Okay, that's why their hair
does look so good. It's not just that they're it's
not just that they've been blessed with this beautiful hair. Yeah,
I was surprised to hear that Nadia and beck both
have like extensions sown in, and it makes sense because
they've got such beautiful hair. But also the fact that
Nadia was saying that she didn't think she had beautiful hair,
Like you always just assume that these people think really
(28:48):
highly of themselves because they are so beautiful, but you
can kind of tell that they actually do have a
lot of insecurities. And you know, the podcast is labeled
vein ish. Often when people are labeled vain, they're not
actually vain, they're actually quite insecure.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, that is true. And while I did enjoy the podcast,
there was a part of me though that felt a
little bit sad, because getting older really is a privilege,
and I just think it's sad that society's got to
a point where we feel we have to erase any
sign of aging. And I'm not saying that this is
Beck Judd's fault for putting this podcast out, because obviously
there are these impossible beauty standards that we all have
(29:26):
to adhere to as women, but it just seems like
it's getting even more unrealistic. And it made me think, like,
is aging going to be a sign of class? Yeah?
A rich people always going to look eternally youthful and
poor people always going to look old. I mean, we've
seen recently with Chris Jenner's face. Everyone's been saying that
(29:47):
it's this wizardry and she looks like Kim Kadashian. But
let's be honest, that's a fuck ton of mind. I mean,
where it's like, you're not ugly, you're just poor.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, I mean eventually that's what it's going to be like.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, I mean one hundred percent, I know exactly what
you're saying, and I agree it is sad because I
think that women should be able to age gracefully. But
I also feel like we as women have so much
pressure in the workplace on social media to look a
certain way, And sometimes I think that if you can
take on some of these beauty regimes, like, for example,
(30:20):
if you're able to find out a few tips on
how to make your hair feel nice and it makes
you feel confident, you're going to feel better in yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I just look at the podcasts like this as a
bit of fun. I don't necessarily think that they're pushing
some evil narrative.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, but I wonder if promoting these types of conversations
are going to have a negative impact, because we're essentially
highlighting what these women are doing and making it feel
like it's the norm and that you should be doing
it too. Yeah, understand that's my consent.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
And then but it's a double edged sword because you
could also say that it's good that they're having these
open conversations about what they've done, because then people realize, oh,
actually it's not nice. Ye, it's not natural, like they've
paid to have that knows.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, it is a tricky one, now, I know. I
said I felt like the first episode was a little
bit of a letdown because Beck didn't fully open up
about her procedures, and I wasn't actually super interested in
hearing the ins and out about the salmon sperm because
I think Kard actually spoke about it recently. Did seem
a little bit old. But I did really enjoy episode
two because, as you mentioned, Amy, Nadia Bartell was interviewed,
(31:21):
and she's friends with Beck and also Beck's co host
Jess Robbers, and they've been friends for over ten years,
so it really felt like you were eavesdropping on this
private conversation between friendance.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I realized when listening to this that I have never
really heard Beck, Judd, and Nadia Bartell speak that much.
You see them all the time on social media, but
this was the first time I actually got a gauge
of what their personalities actually like, and fuck, I think
Beck Judd's a legend. I also really liked Nadia Bartell.
I mean, Nadia Bartell kind of gave off the impression
that she was quite woo woo, which I did enjoy.
(31:54):
But with Beck Judd, I thought, I don't know, I
could imagine hanging out with Beck Judd and her being
a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, I said she that Beck seemed like a lad
and I couldn't think of the female term, but yeah,
she just seemed like a kind of a lot of
hand but not like yeah. But see, I have been
following Nadia a Battel on TikTok for quite a while now,
so I have heard her speak a lot, and I
really am a big fan. I'm obsessed with hair at
the moment because I bought a pair of Henny jeans
(32:20):
and now I feel like I need to buy every
single thing from the Henny store. Definitely jumped on that bandwagon.
I just can't afford it all.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
When she started That's hair, I was like writing down
a list on my phone. Okay, that oil oil, Okay,
that's how she does it. Okay, maybe I need to
get some hair extensions.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Or I said to Rees when I was on a walk,
I was like, I was contemplating getting bloody. So in
hair extensions as well. But I'm someone where I would
find that so overstimulating I'd probably rip them out, Like
I just at the end of the night. I usually
were active where all day and I have to go
change into my trackies because even that's too uncomfortable for me.
Like I am someone that needs to be super comfortable
with me.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Flashback, So the Dallas Cowboys, the second series, you know
when they were doing the makeovers and Dale and I
were watching it and they're like sewing hair into women's
heads and this is the reality. This is why these
women have the most amazing hair.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's not real. Yeah, it's a wig. Yeah. Well, as
you touched on earlier, Amy, it wasn't just Nadia saying,
oh I get this and that done. She did talk
about her morning routine and the wellness practices that she does,
but she did get more into the nitty gritty when
she was asked what the most vanish thing she had
ever done was. This is what she said, a.
Speaker 9 (33:30):
Most Vanish moment, I've had quite a few quiet we've
all done.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
We've all had it.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I think probably it would have to be getting my nose.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Doneh and a nose job, you know it's done.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah, leaving and having pap photos come out everywhere so
everyone knew at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That was fun. Now I must have missed this, but
back in twenty twenty, Nadia was papped fresh from her
hospital state with a bandage over her nose. She did
have a mind because it was twenty twenty and it
was COVID times, and I'm thinking she obviously planned it
in the height of COVID so she could try and
conceal the fact that she'd had it done. But unfortunately
(34:10):
the bandage just popped above the mask.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Well that's actually really clever if she planned it out
that way. On the podcast, she was saying that she
has no idea how that even got out to the paparazzi,
like she was even questioning was it one of the
nurses that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Tipped them off?
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Mm?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, I mean it was interesting to hear her finally
talk about it because obviously we missed it, but a
lot of people would have seen those photos are known
that she had got a nose job, and she said
that her nose was something that has always made her
feel a bit self conscious growing up, and she said
she never wanted to wear her hair up because she
felt like it drew focus to her nose. But she said,
(34:46):
looking back now, she questioned whether she would do it,
because she said, it's something that you think is a
really big issue at the time, but it's all in
your head.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, I never even realized that she had a notes job,
so obviously for an outsider like me looking in, I
didn't think that she had a problem with her nose.
It's fun of these things that you just pick apart
about yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, obviously being in the public eye for nearly
twenty years now like Nadia has because she started dating
Jimmy Bartel when she was twenty one, and a couple
of months ago, when all that horrible conversation about Chloe
Pink's wedding photos was happening, Nadia came out and spoke
about how disgusting the trolling was that she received when
she started dating Jimmy, and she said, back then she
(35:27):
wasn't in the industry. She was working a nine to
five job, and she was twenty one years old, and
she was having people comment about her facial features and
say that she looked like a man. So obviously those
comments have really hurt her and potentially could be the
reason why she did go get this nose job done. Yeah, well,
we spoke about it briefly on our subs episode. I
have seen so many girlfriends and wives of AFL players
(35:50):
popping up on TikTok and all the comments are like
a year or four and I thought players only dated tens.
Is absolutely disgusting. Yeah, well, unfortunately for these women, that
is where these hyper masculine men who love the footy
meet across with influences, and it's often the wives and
girlfriends of the players who then get abused by these
(36:10):
men who normally wouldn't be viewing their content and they
think that they have the right to talk about their appearance,
which is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And then we wonder why these women are queuing up
to have all of these medical procedures done because people
are vile.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, and then these men jump in the comments on
the Daily Mail when they're reporting on it. Oh, you're
a narcosystem. You're so vain, it's like.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Insecure because of the way that you've spoken to them
for years.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
So I have a funny story.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Robert Irwin has inadvertently put a Cough's Harbor restaurant on
the map after accidentally skipping out on the bill.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Okay, this is my favorite story of the week. So
Rob was road tripping around the East Coast of Australia
when he stopped at a restaurant to grab a takeaway salad,
and whilst he was in there, he was absolutely mobbed
by fans wanting photos, and in chaos of it all,
he forgot to pay for his salad. Now, Rob took
to TikTok to explain his error. Let's have a listened
(37:06):
to what he said.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
The next morning, I wake up and realize I never
paid for my salad. I just did the old din
and dash, and I didn't even realize I'd done it.
I felt terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So Rob had already left Coff's Harbor, so he immediately
rang the restaurant to see if he could transfer the money.
The owners told him not to worry and off handedly said,
just leave us a good review.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Well, he certainly has delivered on his promise because he
skipped the Google review route and instead took to TikTok.
Here's what he said.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
There are eight million of you guys on here, so
you know what to do. I have tagged them go
and support the Jetty Pavilion in Coffs Harbor, a fantastic
local business, great team, great food, amazing atmosphere. That's my review.
They are the absolute best.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And vowed to return to the Jetti Pavilion to pay
for his salad.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Today is not the day I start my life of crime.
As much as the tabloids would love that, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
So not only was Rob a man of his word
and returned to the restaurant, he also had a sit
down lunch with the owners and paid forward two hundred
dollars worth of salad for others to eat.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Could he get any nicer? He's such a legend. His
dad would be so proud of him.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
And it's crazy the power of Rob Irwin. Because his
TikTok resulted in this restaurant gaining over eleven thousand extra
Instagram followers. They also got four thousand new followers on
TikTok and they reported a fifty percent rise in business
since the post went live. They also said they had
one point five million hits on their website.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
God so skipping out on the bill for a twenty
dollars salad. They really made up for it, didn't Yeah,
and this.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Story has been everywhere, so the Today Show did something
about it. Seven News ended up doing a story. So
what's quite funny is seven News obviously wrung the restaurant
and said, how can we come down and do something?
And this was the day that Rob decided to return
to pay for his salad, So they must have been
absolutely licking their lips at the fact that they.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Could then get Rob on camera.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
But a lot of this media attention has made people
really cynical, and everyone's saying, oh, is this just.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A big publicity stunt? Come on, I mean it's not
like it's not like Robert Erwin's got shares in this restaurant.
I think it is just a very lucky opportunity for
the restaurant. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So one cynic on TikTok accused Rob and the restaurant
of a setup. So they said, surely this was a
marketing ploy. Now the restaurant responded saying, oh, absolutely, it
was all part of our master plan Step one orchestrate chaos,
step two, collect free publicity, step three, take over the world.
And yes, the Earth is flat, the dinosaurs had feathers,
and Elvis is living in Byron with Bigfoot. Another person
(39:47):
said cameras had to be there, to which the restaurant responded, yeah,
what a chance. We told him we had seven News
coming as a heads up, and he went along with it,
no fuss.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, somehow, don't think Robert Erwin would be racing down
there if he knew the new station was there.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Also, to get somebody like Robert Erwin to be involved
in this kind of promotion would cost a huge amount
of money. I'd estimate around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Restaurant is not paying somebody like Rob Erwin to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, definitely not. I mean all I can think about, though,
is what salad did Robert eat? Was a really nice one.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, it looked amazing. They put a photo of it up.
It's called the harvest bowl, so it's very healthy. I mean,
obviously he's got that body to maintain that was in
the box commercial. So his salad had turmeric, cauliflower, quinwa, avocado,
pickled veg, cherry tomatoes, sweet potatoes, tahini sauce, and alfalfa
sprouts and there are calls for this salad to be
named after Rob. Someone suggested it should be called the
(40:45):
Din and Dash Salads.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I read that the restaurant are actually considering naming it
after Rob Erwin, which would make a lot of sense
because if they're getting all of this extra business, everyone
wants to know which salad he got.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
They were also talking about making a Rob Ierwin cocktail,
which was going to involve like a little crocodile and some.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Green jelly and all. I've got a name for it,
the croptail. Oh that's good. Actually a right, guys, I've
done it.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I've joined Tinder.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Breaking news for gen Zetters. Bailey Smith is on dating
app Tinder. The Geelong staff fronted the campaign for the
app's new double date feature and a big move to
bring gen Zetters back to the app.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Anyone who's got TikTok would have seen this ad popping
up every time I logged into it. I saw Bailey
Smith's face telling me how he's joined Tinder. They must
have put so much money behind this campaign.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I was thinking he must have been paid a
pretty penny for this ad, because he would be absolutely
copying it in the change rooms. At Geelong.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well I had a look on his Instagram account and
runner ned Brockman sarcastically wrote under his announcement post, hey mate,
thought you'd be struggling to get dates. Good to see
you trying Tinder out, and his comment received three point
seven thousand likes.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
That's absolutely a classic. I mean that's what everyone is thinking.
There is no way that Bailey Smith is using Tinder
to get dates. But yeah, he's a great get because
it's putting hope out there that maybe hot guys will
be on Tinder again. Well, there have been other people
popping up on TikTok questioning the legitimacy of as you said,
whether he is actually on Tinder, and I had a
(42:15):
laugh at this video.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
I need to be financially compensated for having to open
up TikTok every single time. Barely Smith advertising Tinder. Firstly,
he's not on Tinder. He's on fucking Riya because he's
one of those people with those connections.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I mean, she's got a point. If he's on a
dating app, he'd be on Riya. I was pretty shocked
because I know that some of these dating apps have
introduced new features like super likes that you have to
pay for. But I didn't realize how expensive it was
now to be on dating apps. It sounds like it
costs you an arm and a leg, and they actually
now have an algorithm which stops you from matching with
(42:52):
anyone decent if you don't pay.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, because I think it's on Tinder, you only get
one hundred swipes every twelve hours, so that's really yeah,
but like think how many Like sometimes I've been on
Tinder obviously before I was married, and you would go
through a hundred people easily and not see anybody that
you liked.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
True.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
What's funny is I remember what like ten years ago,
if you're on Tinder and you were paying for it,
you're a bit of a loser. Yeah, well sorry, you
weren't a loser, but I think there was that stigma that, oh,
why would you pay to go on Tinder? But now
that is like Tinder is making billions of dollars each
year from people signing up to the.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Way you say that, But a lot of the dating
apps have actually been having to lay off a lot
of staff. Like recently Bumble spoke about how they've lost
so much money because people are just not using the
apps anymore, and do you know why that is.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
There's been a study and apparently gen zetters and millennials
don't want to meet people online. They actually want to
meet people in real life. And a lot of people
are saying that running clubs have destroyed online dating apps
because people are choosing to go there to meet their
partners instead.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I think it's also a case of people's parents being
on the apps and being seen as this sort of
millennial thing.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
A lot of elder millennials probably have teenage kids now,
and you don't want to be on the apps. Like
I know, you can pick the age group, but you
don't really want to be on the same apps as
your parents. I think that the app market is now
perfect for forty year old's probably got divorced looking for
someone something serious. And also I think with young people
it just became like a booty call place.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, Tinder was seen very much as a hookup app,
and when you look at the stats, it reveals that
three quarters of Tinder users are actually men. So you
can see why they are rolling out this campaign with
Bailey Smith. I mean, it's clearly aimed at getting gen
Z women back onto the app.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, I've heard these apps are completely flooded by men.
So men in particular have to spend a lot of
money in order to actually get served up women who
are on the app that they want to date. And
there are so many men who actually just don't get
any matches because there's just such a big pool of them.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Well, that's why I think this campaign's so clever, because
obviously getting the word out to females that Tinder is
the place to be if people like Bailey Smith are
apparently on there. I mean, the campaign videos that TikTok
have done have gone off. Bailey also featured on the
We Mean Well podcast, which is hosted by Jack and Lou.
They also had Georgia Productions, which is a big gen
(45:17):
Z TikToker. So Tinder have clearly done their research and
thought who are the influences that are speaking to gen
Z's And if you think about it, how many young
girls would be signing up to the subscription so they
could actually swipe right on Bailey Smith.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
I wonder if it's a part of his contract that
he actually has to go on a Tinder double date.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Well, he was interviewed on The Today Show and he
admitted that he hasn't actually been on any dates yet,
but he said that his mate Angus, who he signed
up with, has been swiping a lot on people, and
he said that he actually is a bit annoyed because
he thinks that angers should gain his permission on who
he can actually agree to go on these days with.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Obviously doesn't agree.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, he doesn't agree with the women that swipe. Wouldn't
you be devastated, You like telling all your friends, oh
my god, like Bailey Smith has agreed to go on
this date with me and then he's like shitcanning it
on the Today Show.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, it's probably not really good for Tinder either, to
be like all the quality is it's not that great.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Well, it was quite funny because in all of the
interviews you could tell that he was begrudgingly talking about
He's like, yeah, Tinder has launched this feature where you
get He was very scripted, but still I.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Think it's been a massive win for Tinder. Well that's
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