October 23, 2025 • 36 mins
Matt Zukowski’s shocking first date. The nominees for the 2025 TikTok Awards are unveiled. Chloe Szep's son's pet snake goes missing.…. AND Molly Mae admits to having on-going trust issues in her relationship…
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Matzakowski's shocking
first Date. The nominees for the twenty twenty five TikTok
Awards are unveiled, and Molly May admits to having ongoing
trust issues in her relationship. But first, Chloe Zepp has
(00:28):
revealed her son's pet snake has gone missing. The OG
influencer joked her house was for sale after the python
escaped from the garage earlier this week. Gay Oh, I
feel on edge just thinking about this situation. It's not
even my house. The snake in question is fortunately not venomous, though,
but is known to buy. So this thing's already bitten
the children, well, it has. Awkwardly, Chloe and Mitch revealed
(00:51):
I think was last month that the snake had bitten Artie.
So they got it for Artie's fifth birthday, and they
documented the moment where they surprised him with the snake. Now,
just to refresh your memories, he's five years old, and
as someone who hates snakes, this freaked me out. So
Mitch came in with this little bag with the snake
in it, and you could tell Chloe was ultra uncomfortable.
(01:13):
She even said she was a little bit scared. And
then he gets Artie to pick the snake out of
the bag while his little brother Sonny is screaming and
carrying on. I'm like, surely this is not good for
the snake. I assume that this snake is going to
appear in the family's new YouTube channel because they recently
announced that they're going to have an adventure YouTube account.
Well maybe they're documenting this whole thing. I mean, the
(01:35):
snake can't really be in the channel if it's gone missing,
because Chloe said she had searched everywhere for Firebolt, that's
its name, and it was nowhere to be seen. Do
you reckon this snake's really gone missing or maybe Chloe
and Mitch have got rid of it. Well, the snake
didn't really look happy living in their house, because Mitch
shared this clip of Artie wanting to say good night
to it, and he got this little set of keys
out to open the door to give it a pat
(01:56):
or something, and Mitch soomed up and the snake was
literally Poe to strike and Artie was like, oh, he doesn't.
He's all coiled up. I don't think I should pat him.
I'm thinking, oh my god, don't pat him at all. Yeah.
I think if this was my child's pet, I'd be like, oh, sorry,
they've gone off to live at a farm somewhere, far,
far away, because oh my god, I couldn't think of
(02:16):
anything worse. I mean, it's not ideal that the snake
is just loose in the house now, like God knows
what it's plotting.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Good morning, Anna, We're just having some off air chats
which can stay off air. Where's your head?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Ash Matsakowski has hosted on speculation that he's moved on
from his ex wife Tammy Hembro, confirming on his podcast
that he's still single. The revelation comes less than two
weeks after a photo of him on a date in
Adelaide went viral. Tate it seems like Matt was left
just as surprised as everyone else by the hard launch. Yeah,
(02:51):
it's pretty awkward because it turns out that he and
Adelaide girl Emily Lawson were on a first date. So
to refresh everyone's memories, the internet went into overdrive when
photos emerged of Matt doing a mirror selfie in front
of an elevator with Normie Emily. Now it was actually
Emily who posted the selfie to her public Instagram story,
(03:11):
alongside photos of their dinner and also a video of
fireworks from a rooftop bar. Influence updates Au first broke
the story after receiving a tip off from someone who
saw Emily's story, and it was pretty clear that Emily
and her friends were very excited to be part of
the Influence the goss Heaps of them were commenting on
subsequent social media stories about it and tagging Emily we
(03:33):
reckon that Emily sent it inner. Wow. I feel like
the more I hear about it, it could be a possibility.
I mean, who takes a picture together on the first date.
I'm putting it out there. I have never ever taken
a photo on a first date. I wouldn't take a
photo with someone until we were official, and I definitely
wouldn't be posting it all over Instagram. I mean, this
(03:53):
wasn't a little soft launch where maybe you post that
you're out and about and you have their arm in
the shop. This was a full blown selfie with it. Yeah.
I mean I thought the same thing about it being
weird taking a photo on the first date. But according
to Matt's co host Anna McAvoy, she thinks it's quite normal,
and she said that she always takes a photo on
the first date just in case they end up together.
(04:14):
She actually has one from her first date with her
husband Michael. Yeah. But there's also a difference between taking
a photo and also making that photo public. One, it
would be embarrassing for the person you're on the date
with to see said photo on your Instagram, because it's
like you're telling everyone a look, we're dating.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And secondly, when the person has a public profile and
they've only just broken up with their wife, you think
you might be a bit careful about sharing that. It
seems like a bit of cloud chas thing's going on.
I think you're right. I mean, initially when I saw it,
I was like, oh, okay. The fact that Emily Lawson
felt confident enough to upload the photo, I was like,
surely this is something quite serious, not a first date.
He's come out to see her in Adelaide, you know,
(04:52):
they're doing long distance or something. But listening to Matt,
I got the vibe that it was a first and
last date, and I don't really bl I would probably
be questioning someone's motives if they did that on a
first day. Well, on a recent podcast he was on,
he was asked about how he finds dating now that
he has a public profile and whether he has to
be careful about people using him for fame. Evidently, it
(05:14):
sounds like he does have to be a bit more careful.
It would be strange for Matt to be on the
other side of things now because Tammy Hembro basically called
him macloud chaser herself on a podcast interview last week,
so you know, it seems to come around in full circles.
Listening to the podcast, it was clear that Matt had
had this massive debrief off Mike about the whole situation
with Anna, because he said he's been dropping bombs off air.
(05:36):
I'm very sad that they edited those conversations out because
I would have loved to hear them. In terms of
what they did share on air about the situation, you
could tell Anna was completely shocked when the photos emerged.
Let's take a listen to what she said. We need
to talk Yah, right because.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
The sleep deprived mum. I was just looking on their
phone and I think I'm pretty sure it was in
the middle of the night and I hadn't been on
my phone like the day before, and then all of
a sudden, I see so much garbage on the inn.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm just gonna call it garbage.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And everyone's like, that's hard launch.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Wait.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I know that you were in Adelaide. I know that
you were going on a first day. How have we
gone from you telling me you're going on a first
day to now there's a hard launch out there.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah. Yeah, I was shook as well. I actually woke
up and saw that that as well, and I was like,
hang on wait what. I was like, I didn't hard
launch anyone.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So I was in Adelaide on getting some business done,
and while I was there, I was like, I'll catch
up with a friend. Yeah, so we went out for dinner.
Really nice. Adelaide is actually a really nice place.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
A little bit off track, but it was really nice
to hear both Matt and Anna talk so glowingly of Adelaide.
It was quite rare from Victorians. It is. I related
to Anna saying that she's going through a four month
regression at the moment, and it took her days to
even see the news of this hard launch happen, and
in the midst of a late night wake up call
she saw it. It sort of reminded me of when
I first saw the news of Taylor Swift and Travis
(07:15):
Kelsey getting together, only because I was up at three
am to see that news be broken live, so she
was a bit later to the story though. Yeah, it
seems like with newborn schedules, either the first or last
to hear about this type of pop option years. I'd
love to know the conversation Matt had with his date
Emily after her Instagram story made headlines. I'm guessing he
thought she was never going to post it, because he
(07:37):
explained that the photo got snapped while he and Emily
were waiting at the Lifts to go to the second
rooftop bar that they had visited. Anna did make a
bit of a dig, saying that that photo should have
been kept on her close friend's list, which I tend
to agree. It was clear that Matt wanted to clear
things up and let the world know that he's single.
This is what he said.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I woke up the next day and we'd hard launched,
which is not the case and not the case at all,
but yeah, it was pretty funny to see.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So she just put it in her story and then
it got taken.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Got taken, and yeah, if people work fast this industry,
they see something and they run with it and it
gets legs and look, I'm actually gonna say I would.
I really appreciate some of the kind messages I got
about it, but sorry, guys still thinking it was not
that at all. But I'm very nice girl as well,
very nice, nice day.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I wonder if Matt's got a few girls on the
roster who were like what the fuck when they saw
the photo. I feel like that would be a big
motivated to clear the rumor's up. I also think in
terms of how he's faring since the divorce, as we've
touched on before, he has this new puppy dog energy
about him. People seem to be liking Matt. He's receiving
a lot of apologies, and he probably wants to not
(08:53):
look like he's moved on too quick and is mindful
of that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, in yesterday's episode of Wears Your Head at they're
doing this thing where they dissect and I use that
term loosely some headlines, and one of the headlines they
chose to discuss was one about Matt caught out crying
after Tammy was found to be the ambassador for Tinder,
and He's like, oh my god, this is completely false.
I actually was crying because I watched a movie about
a golden retriever and he was saying I definitely was
(09:20):
not crying about Tammy Hembro. So he seems more and
more comfortable to talk about the situation. I mean, he
didn't name it. They just kept saying his ex wife.
But I think it is only a matter of time
before we hear a full breakdown of what's gone on.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I mention that I've been nominated for TikTok Creator of
the Year. The nominees for the twenty twenty five TikTok
Creator of the Year are in and Tammy Hembro is
the front runner. Did that surprise you it, Dick, because
I don't really think of her as being a TikToker
as such. I just think of her as being an
all round influencer, if that makes sense. I think that
(09:56):
on TikTok there's a lot of different niches and she's
just sort of a personality, if that makes I get
what you mean. But she does have over two million
followers on the platform, and she posts very different content
than she does on Instagram. I mean, she didn't even
post her divorce announcement on Instagram. That was purely on TikTok. Yeah,
but when you think about people who've won in the past,
like Anna Paul or Indy Clinton, they've really made a
(10:17):
name for themselves on TikTok through sharing everyday vlogs, whereas
she made a name for herself obviously on Instagram ten
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
But in saying that having a big following on Instagram
doesn't promise you a big following on TikTok, Like, there
are so many creators like just off the top of
my head, Sarah's Day, Steph Claire Smith who do not
have the same following that they do on TikTok as
they do on Instagram. In saying that, I suppose Tammy
has around seventeen eighteen million followers on Instagram and only
two million on TikTok, But I think her videos are
(10:49):
cutting through. I mean they get millions and millions of views. Yeah. Well,
as you said, Kate, she always seems to be dropping
bombs on there. Yeah, I mean, I think she's definitely
going to win this award just looking at her following
against the other nominees. The only one I'm actually familiar
with is Letitia Clark. Her mum is kat Clark, who
won the award three years ago. But I think Tammy
(11:09):
is a definite shoe in. It is voted on by
the public, and she's already put the call out on
an Instagram page saying you can vote once a day.
I wonder though, if some of the smaller creators have
more of an invested community of people who want to
see them do well. Quite often people don't really want
to see the big dog win, and Tammy feels like
the big dog in this situation. Yeah, but I think
TikTok probably want her to win, and of course they're
(11:31):
in charge of the algorithm, so her video promoting the
link to vote for her might appear to a lot
more people than the other nominees. Who knows, but I
definitely think we'll see her accepting the award. It's interesting
it was only a couple of weeks ago that Indy
Clinton opened up about that viral moment of her and
Anna Paul presenting Creator of the Year. It was an
(11:52):
absolute mouzzle. So for those who missed it, let's throw
to it. There were absolutely crickets afterward. They was all
very awkward, and Indy opened up about the experience on
(12:15):
the Happy Hour podcast with Lucy and Nicki a couple
of weeks ago, and it turns out that Anna Paul
had been chosen over Indy to present the award, and
that was despite the fact that Indy won the year prior.
So as the winner, you then get the honor of
presenting the new win it with their award. Yeah, Indy
said she'd been looking forward to having that moment on
stage and she was actually one of the hosts of
(12:36):
the awards alongside Robert Erwin and Kat Clark, and so
last minute it seems like the event organizers were like, Okay,
you can go on stage with Anna Paul. Reading between
the lines, it seems like Anna Paul dropped past the
rehearsals briefly for around ten to fifteen minutes, but that
wasn't long enough for them to actually rehearse the moment.
Indy had been there all day, so minutes before the
(12:58):
award was presented. Indy was like quickly whispering to Anna, like,
let's make it more dramatic ad pauses, but Anna ended
up reading straight from the autocue. Do you reckon that? Indie?
Feels safe now to tell that story considering the huge
cancelation of Anna Paul this year, because before she was
seen as the sweetheart of TikTok and people would have
come for her to hear anything negative. Yeah, I definitely
(13:18):
think so. I mean it was actually at the twenty
twenty four TikTok Awards that the crack started appearing for
Anna Paul. Remember she was on the red carpet and
she said this really tone deaf comment when they asked
her like who would you want to be? Like what
created would you want to be? And she's like, oh,
someone that has lots of money and flies around the world,
and like, isn't that you already? I wonder if she's
actually going to show up this year. It could be
(13:40):
a bit of a rebranding exercise for her. Yeah, well
we have to wait until Wednesday, the twenty sixth of
November to see if that happens. The Awards are being
hosted in Sydney this year, Sophie Monk is the host.
She is about to start hosting Love Island Australia. Are
you gonna watch that? I'm not really a big fan
of the Aussie version. I prefer to what the UK
(14:00):
Love Island. That being said, the UK version has been
pretty disappointing in recent years, and a lot of people
send us dms saying, oh my god. Last year the
Australian version was epic. You need to watch it again
this year? Hang on Love Island this year was really good.
What are you talking about? It wasn't as good. It
wasn't as good. I don't think it was. To be fair,
it was a little bit better. But I've watched so
many all Stars which have been disappointed. Good. Look. I
(14:23):
actually feel like it's a moment for you to eat
your words, because a couple of weeks ago you were
absolutely ripping into me about watching the Block. You're finally
watching it and loving it. Yeah, it's my relaxation show now,
Brandon and I. As soon as Luke has been put
to bed, we quickly put the Block on for a
couple of hours because we have all of the episodes
to catch up on. So jealous. I love it. It's
(14:45):
I haven't watched free to air television for a while,
and yes it can be a bit overproduced and dramatic,
but it's sort of the trash that I needed at
the moment, and I kind of like it sounds good bad.
I like that it's got ads because you've got your
time where you can be on your phone and then
you can put it back down. I'm really interested to
see how the block auctions go on Sunday night because
my dad, who also watches it, was telling me that
(15:08):
there are some whispers that the houses aren't going to
sell because they're just far too expensive for the Dalsford market.
Maybe we'll have to do a full block recap. Look
at me absolutely eating my words here now.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Some whople message us saying that they love it, so
I was like, okay, maybe I have to give it
a go. Yeah, I'm going to put it out there.
If the houses end up selling, I'm tipping Britain TAZ
for the win.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's just this like shadow of the past that will
always just sounds really deep, but like kind of come
back and I'll warn.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Us a bit.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
The second series of Molly May's docuseries Behind It All
has shone a light on the current state of her
relationship with boxer Tommy Fury. Whilst the couple rekindled their
relationship earlier this year, the UK influencer admits she has
ongoing trust issues and is haunted by ghosts of the past.
Before we dive into that sofa, I want to hear
your thoughts on the docuseries as a whole. I loved
(15:57):
every second of this. I don't think it will surprise anyone.
As a Molly May stand, I couldn't get enough of it.
It was this real cross between a fly on the
wall reality show and a documentary series. I think that
they managed to get that cozy, day to day vibe
that Molly has in her vlogs, whilst also having just
the right level of drama and conflict to get you hooked.
(16:17):
I feel like a terrible Molly may fan because I
need to call myself out. I actually haven't watched a
single second of it. I've seen a few reviews of
it on TikTok and people have been saying, oh, it's
no good, Like she's not likable, she's really out of touch,
and that's rattled me because I'm like, I loved the
first series of it, and I've actually been waiting to
make a bit of a night of it and watch
(16:37):
it with some nice snacks. I just haven't had that
moment so far. Yeah, but this show was literally made
for MOLLI may stands. It wasn't made for the critics,
and I think that people are being particularly critical of
it now that it won all the previous series won
an award. I think also because it's a docu series,
like people are taking it too seriously and like, oh,
this isn't an David Attenborough documentary. It's like no, it's
(17:00):
just behind the scenes of her life. Like it's a
documentary of her life. It's sort of an elevated version
of her vlogs because it does really show her day
to day life and it really goes into her experiences
with motherhood and also her business ventures and of course
the ups and downs of her relationship with Tommy, which
everyone wanted to find out about. See. I think there's
(17:20):
not as much hype about this series as there was
the first series because there were still a lot of
question marks about the status of Tommy and Molly's relationship,
whereas we now know they're back together and personally I'm
not that interested in Molly's brand. Maybe I like the
second series better than the first so far because I
think there was a lot of patting happening with the
(17:40):
maybe content. We were expecting to hear a lot about
Molly and Tommy's relationship, but instead we got this whole
brand opportunity and the brand pushed down our throats, whereas
it feels more organic when the brand has been mentioned
so far in these first three episodes. I wonder if
it was a case of they filmed all this content
that didn't make Tommy look very good, and then suddenly
Molly and him got back together and they couldn't use
(18:02):
it like it didn't make sense in the story arc.
It's interesting though, because in this later series the relationship
with Tommy and Molly doesn't really look very rock solid,
does it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
In this later series, she hinted that there are continuing
trust issues between her and Tommy, and this was made
very apparent when she went on a beach holiday to
Wales with her best friend and their two kids. So
while she was away with Bambi, Tommy was back home
in Manchester celebrating the release of his BBC documentary with
his mates, and I wonder if Molly purposely went away
during the launch of his doco so they weren't heaps
(18:33):
of questions about where she was, so she could just say, oh, well,
I've had this pre booked before. That's why I'm not
on the red carpet with it. Well, they did end
up having quite an awkward exchange over the phone. Let's
throw to that clip.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
No, it's just fustranging. I just feel like, you know,
things are going to roar me up. Tommy. You think
I don't know you after six years? What are you
talking about? I'll speak to you another time.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's that Mollie ended up hanging up on Tommy and
told the cameras that she doesn't want to be a
bore and Tommy should be able to do his thing.
That gave me the vibe that Tommy has been gaslighting
her because I think she is well within her rights
to be nervous about the fact that he's going to
be out partying with his friends and there's alcohol around.
Because at the end of the last series, while she
(19:18):
took him back, there seemed to be really no resolution
about his behavior and nothing had seemed to change that much.
It was just sort of like, oh, we're back together
because we love each other. It was evident that he
was on the piss there because she admitted that hearing
the word alcohol made her tense. I mean, we didn't
actually hear Tommy's side of the conversation. He has only
appeared in this documentary as a pop up on FaceTime.
(19:40):
He didn't actually appear on camera. Well, I wonder if
it's because of his own documentary and the BBC, like
maybe they've said you can't appear on the Prime one. Well,
it's interesting because a lot of people are reading into
this line that Molly said. She said that she's haunted
by ghosts of the past. Now, there were a lot
of rumors when she and Tommy broke up that he
had cheated on her, and there was actually also a
rumor that he'd got a girl pregnant. Now that was
(20:01):
actually bullshit that one. But people are saying, well, has
he cheated If you're saying you're being haunted by ghosts
of the past and there's these ongoing trust issues, I
don't think that you can have a docuseriies like this
if you're not going to be completely honest about the
whole situation, Like, yes, it was very brave of Tommy
to share about his issues with alcohol, but I almost
feel like it was used as a little bit of
(20:21):
an excuse to cover up anything else that has gone
down between them, because it's clear there are still issues
there that haven't been resolved. Yeah, I can see why
they haven't wanted to touch on it considering they have
got back together. Though. What was very clear is just
how tough this breakup has been on Molly. She said
that she suffered panic attacks and made the decision to
go on anti anxiety medication. So she's now on Beata blockers,
(20:43):
which essentially slow her heart rate down and also lower
her blood pressure. Now, a clip of Molly's manager, Fran
has gone viral. Basically she's giving her a right bollocking
about not creating promotional content for a brand, which was
pretty surprising because Molly May is one of the UK's
biggest influencers and I think she does brand content very
well well. This actually happened on the same beach trip,
(21:05):
so Molly forgot to bring the product with her and
instead of being upfront with Fran, she actually had previously
lied to Fran and said that she'd already shot it,
and then she disappeared for three days and didn't answer
any of Fran's call. So, as you said, okay, Fran
went ballistic. She is a bit of a ball breaker.
She was not happy they showed her on FaceTime and
she told Molly that she'd let people down and that
(21:27):
it's not like her and it was just really awkward.
So Molly ended up having to pack up all of
their stuff leave this trip early, and she actually said
to the camera crew, look, I know that you want
to capture the chaos of us packing everything up, but
we're not going to get out of here on time
if you don't help. So everyone put the cameras down.
But yeah, it did seem a bit out of character
(21:47):
for her, and Fran was saying, oh, I'm just worried
that you're too burnt out, Molly. You're trying to be
the best partner, you can be the best mum, that
you can be the best business owner, and there's cracks appearing.
It was also an interesting insight into molly relationship with Fran.
They have referred to each other as their best friends.
Molly was a bridesmaid in friend's wedding, but clearly the
foundation of their friendship is business, and Fran has to
(22:10):
have these tough conversations with her. I mean she's wanting
her ten percent cut, isn't she. I mean, I'm sure
the Brown deal was massive.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, something else we learned in this stocco is that
Molly and Tommy are still living separately. So right before
their breakup, they purchased a home which they dubbed their
forever home. It sounds like it's a ridiculous mansion and
they were actually set to move in, but then suddenly
broke up and Tommy ended up moving into that brand
new house, whereas Molly still lives in the house. I
(22:39):
think is it called Molly Mason? Is that what they
call the house? Ma? Maison? Sorry? And since then, Bambi
has been going between the two houses, and Molly admitted
that despite the couple now being back together, Bamby probably
feels like her parents are living these very separate lives.
And in this scene where her sisters Zoe, whose side
note we need more in the documentary because she was
(23:01):
really the standout star, well, I wonder if she has
purposely recluded a little bit after getting backlash of being
two in Molly's business, and also she didn't hide the
fact that she's not Tommy Feury's biggest fan in the
first series. So now that they're back together, she's taken
a bit of a back seat. I mean, she has
moved in with Molly since then, but it seems like
she's just looking after the house when Molly's not there. Well,
Zoe and her husband Danny, they are moving out of
(23:24):
the house soon and they are moving into their own
house that they've built, and Molly was saying that she
doesn't know what to do with her current house going forward.
She says she doesn't want to sell it and she
doesn't want to rent it out because the house has
become her safety blanket. She said, it means that she's
able to remove herself from a situation with Tommy if
she needs to. I mean, the fact that you need
(23:44):
a backup mansion in case you have a fight just
tells me that your relationship is not in a good plaace. Yeah.
She described it as not wanting to put all of
her eggs in one basket and said that it would
be scary to get rid of the house because with
Tommy she never knows what tomorrow is going to bring
and she gets really inky. She just thinking that she
might wake up to this big problem that she can't
remove her so from. It didn't sound great well when
(24:06):
series one concluded. I think we all sat there and
thought this is not going to work out well for them.
I'm like, we're happy to see them back together, but
realistically they haven't sorted anything out well. It was actually
Zobe who was saying to her, Look, Molly, this isn't
normal for Bamby to be going between the two houses
and to not really know what's going on between you two.
(24:27):
You need to try living back with Tommy. I wonder
if she suggested that because she kind of hopes that
maybe it'll end up with them breaking up. I think
she's the only realistic one in this situation. It seems
like Tommy and Molly are walking on eggshells around each
other because they still want to be together, but they
know realistically it's not going to work. I mean, Molly
(24:48):
even mentioned that she has chosen not to put her
engagement ring back on yet, so she admitted that she
doesn't feel quite ready to wear it again, and she
wants Tommy to make some sort of gesture now. She
said she doesn't expect a full blown proposal, but she'd
like him to plan, you know, like a nice romantic
dinner out so she can have that moment where she's like, Okay,
(25:09):
I'll wear it again. I mean, that'sn't exactly hard to
plan a nice dinner out.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't know why he hasn't done it already. She
is saying that this is a full new chapter for
her and Tommy, and again reiterated that they're back together,
but things aren't perfect now. Away from Tommy, the docuseries
really centered around Molly's experience as a mum, particularly the
intense mum shaming that she's been receiving. We've spoken at
length about the incidences on this podcast before. Funnily enough,
(25:37):
we were actually contacted by the Behind It All docuseries producers.
They asked if they could use a clip from our podcast,
so we spoke about Molly and her secret nanny. I
was so excited by this. I was like, does this
mean that Molly may knows we exist? Yeah, well, someone
in her team. The segment was actually from our subs
(25:57):
episode and I was like, I can't even remember what
we said, and we listen back I have the croakiest
voice on it. Anyway, they were really keen to have
the clip, and then they ghosted us, so we got
the vibe that I mean, they did it really well
in the first series where they would have people popping
up on TikTok or podcasts popping up, and they wanted
to use a line that made it sound like we're
being quite negative around the fact that it was revealed
(26:20):
that Molly had this secret nanny, whereas we came back
to them and said we were actually defending her decision
to do so and felt it was a bit sexist
that no one brought up the fact that Tommy also
has a nanny for his daughter, So I think as
soon as they heard that they were like, oh, we
might be barking up the wrong tree with that one.
It was quite interesting because they offered us a fee
to use the snippet from our podcast, and they asked
(26:42):
us how much we'd want for it, and we were like,
I have no idea what people would charge. We went
back to them and said, well, what's your budget. They
said three hundred pounds, which isn't too bad for like
a tiny snippet of your podcast. I actually thought considering
it was a internetational licensing that it wasn't that much
at all. Was still six hundred bucks, Sami, we would
(27:05):
have let the music for free, let's be honest, just
to be on Mommy Master. I was so excited. I'm like,
oh my god, everyone that listens is going to be
thrilled for us that we're in the dog open. Well,
talking about the secret nanny, does she have one or not? Well, yes,
she does have a nanny. And this was brought up
when she was getting ready to go on a work
trip for a couple of days to Saint Trepey and
(27:25):
she was talking to her dad about it and he said, oh,
who's going to be looking after Bambi whilst you're away,
and she said, oh, we've got childcare covering some of
the days. She then told her dad that there's been
all this speculation in the press about Bambi's childcare and
whether she has a nanny, and she said that she
never knew it was going to be blown into such
a big issue, and to be honest, she had shied
(27:47):
away from talking about it because she was really mindful
that she didn't want to upsend any mums or make
any of them feel less than and she confirmed that
it's not actually around the clock care is just when
she and Tommy are at work. I think the difficulty
with Molly and her job as an influencer is that
her role is to be as relatable as possible, even
(28:07):
though she is a multimillionaire who is super famous, and
when you watch her vlog she seems like just your
everyday girl, someone that you could be friends with. So
I understand why she probably shied away from talking about
the fact that she has a nanny and in terms
of how often she uses her. And I think people
probably see her day documented on YouTube and go, oh,
(28:28):
but all she does is go down to the shops
and watches movies at home or what she has a
nanny to look after Bambi. I don't think people realize, oh,
she actually has a business that she needs to work at,
like most mums go back to work after a period
of time. Yeah, And I think that it's more evident
when you watch the docu series how busy her life
(28:48):
is and the fact that she is this huge business
owner and also has all these brand deals that she's
got to manage. At the same time, she said that
having a nanny allows her to keep working and build
her business and create this life that she wants too.
For Bamby, I think we also forget the fact that
she's only twenty six years old and she's navigating motherhood
for the first time. She got a lot of flak
for a potty training scene that was included in this documentary.
(29:11):
I saw people talking about that on TikTok because people
were like, why did they film her in the bath
and also on the potty, Like they censored it, but
they were saying, well, what about the film crew that
were there that you saw it all happening. I do
understand that, but I think it was actually a really
clever way to juxtaposition this very glamorous lifestyle that Molly
has with the struggles of motherhood. Because in the scene,
(29:32):
she has this pink potty training toilet set up in
Baby's on sween and Baby just refused to go on there,
and Molly had bought her this little bucket hat and
some sunglasses and said only girls who used the toilet
are allowed to wear these. Anyway, Baby wasn't having any
of it. She hid in this basket and then absolutely
(29:53):
lost it when Molly tried to put her on the
toilet like it was very relatable for any parents. It
was an absolute shit show. Pardon the b I mean,
I get that that's good content, but personally, if I
was Bamby, I don't think I'd be thrilled that this
vision of me learning to use the potty was being
aired to millions of people across the world. It was
quite humorous because she then put Bambi in the bath
(30:16):
and Bambi ended up, of course, pooing in the bar
and she's having to scoop out this disintegrating poo. So,
I mean, the thing that actually made me more mad
was that Tommy then pops up on face time. Oh
how did you go, Bambi? It's like, where are you?
Why are you not helping?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I read an article saying that the docuseries actually posed
more questions than it answered, and it seems like by
Molly letting this crew into her life when I think
that there are a lot of unanswered questions that she
wants to know the answers to in terms of her
in a relationship with Tommy, and it's just come across
as a little bit awkward. Yeah, but again, this docuseriies
(30:54):
has two parts to it. So we've got three episodes
that have been released. Now, at the start of next
year we have three. I'm sure those three more are
going to answer some of those questions. I think it's
actually set it up in a really clever way because
it leaves you wanting more. How long of these episodes
are they around like the forty five to hour mark
again or only about half an hour? I got through
them so quickly. Well, that's disappointing. Maybe I could have
(31:16):
bloody watched them this week because I saw Molly talking
about how she's taken this big hiatus from YouTube because
she's been filming, you know, twenty four to seven to
only have an hour and a half worth of content
when some of her vlogs are around the thirty to
forty minute mark each week. Yeah, but I think it's
quality over quantity. The episodes were snappy, they kept you engaged,
and I personally cannot wait for the second installment to
(31:38):
drop in January. Let's have a bit of a Friday debrief.
I want to know what your highs and lows for
this week are, Sophie. I think I already know your low. Oh,
it's definitely the four months week progression. I touched on
this in our Subs episode. It's hit me hard. I
have been pre emptying it for a couple of weeks now.
It's not like you to be pessumists. No, I've done
a lot of reading about it because I was like,
(31:59):
I just want to know when it's gonna hit, and
I want to know when it's gonna end. Unfortunately, there's
not an answer to any of those questions because it
is subjective. Well, us just life with a baby. I
don't think that they don't come with a handbook. Unfortunate,
h I mean, Luckily, he's still sleeping really well overnight.
It's just his daytime naps that have been thrown off.
Literally it'll be thirty minutes and bang on the thirty
(32:20):
minutes he wakes up and can't resettle himself. He is
learning so many things though, So my high of the
week has to be the fact that he's put on
a lot more weight recently. He's looking a lot bigger,
and he's just smiling and there's so much more personality now. So,
I mean, she's so gorgeous. You've got to take the
good with the bad, don't you. My low of the
week is that poor Amy has been sick. She's been
(32:41):
struck down by It's not the flu of COVI, but
it's some nasty sort of coldy virus, and that's why
she hasn't been on the show this week. But it
also means double the work for Sophie and I, especially
those of us struggling with four month aggressions and children
not sleeping during their naptimes, which is your only time
to do some work. It makes it tough. Yeah, so
poor Aim, she is starting to feel a lot better,
(33:02):
but we haven't really seen her because she was away
in Kangaroo, Ireland for a couple of days too, so
I'm really missing her. So that would be my low
of the week. My high of the week is sadly
television related. I know we talked about the Block. I'm
sad that the Block is basically over, but I've replaced
that obsession so for you'll be excited by this. With
(33:22):
the Summer, I turned pretty well, I did sad watch
the Block. If you watch the Summer, I turn pretty
and look, we should take each other's recommendations more clearly.
It's the first show in a long time where I
don't even want to be on my phone, like I've
got to be watching it, and it's so nice to
actually be so invested in a TV show. I'm at
the end of the second series, and I've been told
that the third series is by far the best, and
(33:42):
that I didn't even have to bother to watch the
first two. I said to Brannon last night, I just
can't wait for Kate to start watching the third series.
You're gonna have your socks blown off.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
See.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
It's annoying because I actually do know what happens at
the end. I won't spoil it for anyone else, but
I do think it's fairly obvious. Yeah, I know what
happens at the end. And I've been hearing everyone going
on like, oh, I'm team Conrad, I'm team Jeremiah. And
I was surprised because towards the end of season two
I was Team Jeremiah. But I've been told that I
will turn into team Conrad in season three because, not
(34:12):
to give anything away, but they really make Jeremiah into
a bit of a flog in season three. When I
first watched her, I was like, I don't rate any
of these guys. I don't think they're attractive. I mean,
probably because they looked really young. But now I'm like,
oh my god, they're both gorgeous, Like, which one would
I choose from there. That's the best thing about how
the show's created is you almost feel like you're Belly
and you're in the dialamma of Oh my god, they're
(34:32):
both incredible. I've got a bone to pick with Belly.
Why are you messing with these boys when their mothers
just passed away. I get so annoyed at her. I'm like,
you're causing this problem, and apparently I'm going to be
even more annoyed with her by season three. In season three,
everyone turned on Belly. I'm already turned on her now,
not impressed with her behavior. It's funny because she's the
main character, but she's not the hero of the show.
The heroes of the show are Jeremiah and Conrad. Yep,
(34:55):
so I'm getting ready to be team Conrad because I
always love an underdog. Suddenly that he's the underdog on
my own. It flipped so much during the series. It's
so clever. Yeah, I could talk about that show all day,
but we probably should head off. Thank you so much
for joining us for this episode. If you have enjoyed it,
Could you please make sure you are subscribed on Apple
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(35:15):
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(35:36):
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If you want to hear about that, Yeah, and let
us know if you do want us to do a
bit of a deep dive into that. Also a bit
of a live update. Artie's pet snake has been located.
(36:00):
You know what are the odds of that? We just
basically finished the episode. I scrolled on Instagram and I'm like, oh,
the snake has been found. So it was actually hiding
in a bag. So Chloe has opened up the bag.
She wrote, Oh my God saw her pop her head
out of this bag as I was going into my car.
This am anyone want a snake? I think my snake
(36:20):
mom days are over? Sorry Artie. Now in the photo,
the snake again looks like it's about to strike. Oh
it's horrible. I'm gonna have nightmares after this. We should
probably leave things there. Thank you so much again for
joining us. This episode was recorded on the traditional land
of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay
respect to elders past and present,
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Matzakowski's shocking
first Date. The nominees for the twenty twenty five TikTok
Awards are unveiled, and Molly May admits to having ongoing
trust issues in her relationship. But first, Chloe Zepp has
(00:28):
revealed her son's pet snake has gone missing. The OG
influencer joked her house was for sale after the python
escaped from the garage earlier this week. Gay Oh, I
feel on edge just thinking about this situation. It's not
even my house. The snake in question is fortunately not venomous, though,
but is known to buy. So this thing's already bitten
the children, well, it has. Awkwardly, Chloe and Mitch revealed
(00:51):
I think was last month that the snake had bitten Artie.
So they got it for Artie's fifth birthday, and they
documented the moment where they surprised him with the snake. Now,
just to refresh your memories, he's five years old, and
as someone who hates snakes, this freaked me out. So
Mitch came in with this little bag with the snake
in it, and you could tell Chloe was ultra uncomfortable.
(01:13):
She even said she was a little bit scared. And
then he gets Artie to pick the snake out of
the bag while his little brother Sonny is screaming and
carrying on. I'm like, surely this is not good for
the snake. I assume that this snake is going to
appear in the family's new YouTube channel because they recently
announced that they're going to have an adventure YouTube account.
Well maybe they're documenting this whole thing. I mean, the
(01:35):
snake can't really be in the channel if it's gone missing,
because Chloe said she had searched everywhere for Firebolt, that's
its name, and it was nowhere to be seen. Do
you reckon this snake's really gone missing or maybe Chloe
and Mitch have got rid of it. Well, the snake
didn't really look happy living in their house, because Mitch
shared this clip of Artie wanting to say good night
to it, and he got this little set of keys
out to open the door to give it a pat
(01:56):
or something, and Mitch soomed up and the snake was
literally Poe to strike and Artie was like, oh, he doesn't.
He's all coiled up. I don't think I should pat him.
I'm thinking, oh my god, don't pat him at all. Yeah.
I think if this was my child's pet, I'd be like, oh, sorry,
they've gone off to live at a farm somewhere, far,
far away, because oh my god, I couldn't think of
(02:16):
anything worse. I mean, it's not ideal that the snake
is just loose in the house now, like God knows
what it's plotting.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Good morning, Anna, We're just having some off air chats
which can stay off air. Where's your head?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Ash Matsakowski has hosted on speculation that he's moved on
from his ex wife Tammy Hembro, confirming on his podcast
that he's still single. The revelation comes less than two
weeks after a photo of him on a date in
Adelaide went viral. Tate it seems like Matt was left
just as surprised as everyone else by the hard launch. Yeah,
(02:51):
it's pretty awkward because it turns out that he and
Adelaide girl Emily Lawson were on a first date. So
to refresh everyone's memories, the internet went into overdrive when
photos emerged of Matt doing a mirror selfie in front
of an elevator with Normie Emily. Now it was actually
Emily who posted the selfie to her public Instagram story,
(03:11):
alongside photos of their dinner and also a video of
fireworks from a rooftop bar. Influence updates Au first broke
the story after receiving a tip off from someone who
saw Emily's story, and it was pretty clear that Emily
and her friends were very excited to be part of
the Influence the goss Heaps of them were commenting on
subsequent social media stories about it and tagging Emily we
(03:33):
reckon that Emily sent it inner. Wow. I feel like
the more I hear about it, it could be a possibility.
I mean, who takes a picture together on the first date.
I'm putting it out there. I have never ever taken
a photo on a first date. I wouldn't take a
photo with someone until we were official, and I definitely
wouldn't be posting it all over Instagram. I mean, this
(03:53):
wasn't a little soft launch where maybe you post that
you're out and about and you have their arm in
the shop. This was a full blown selfie with it. Yeah.
I mean I thought the same thing about it being
weird taking a photo on the first date. But according
to Matt's co host Anna McAvoy, she thinks it's quite normal,
and she said that she always takes a photo on
the first date just in case they end up together.
(04:14):
She actually has one from her first date with her
husband Michael. Yeah. But there's also a difference between taking
a photo and also making that photo public. One, it
would be embarrassing for the person you're on the date
with to see said photo on your Instagram, because it's
like you're telling everyone a look, we're dating.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And secondly, when the person has a public profile and
they've only just broken up with their wife, you think
you might be a bit careful about sharing that. It
seems like a bit of cloud chas thing's going on.
I think you're right. I mean, initially when I saw it,
I was like, oh, okay. The fact that Emily Lawson
felt confident enough to upload the photo, I was like,
surely this is something quite serious, not a first date.
He's come out to see her in Adelaide, you know,
(04:52):
they're doing long distance or something. But listening to Matt,
I got the vibe that it was a first and
last date, and I don't really bl I would probably
be questioning someone's motives if they did that on a
first day. Well, on a recent podcast he was on,
he was asked about how he finds dating now that
he has a public profile and whether he has to
be careful about people using him for fame. Evidently, it
(05:14):
sounds like he does have to be a bit more careful.
It would be strange for Matt to be on the
other side of things now because Tammy Hembro basically called
him macloud chaser herself on a podcast interview last week,
so you know, it seems to come around in full circles.
Listening to the podcast, it was clear that Matt had
had this massive debrief off Mike about the whole situation
with Anna, because he said he's been dropping bombs off air.
(05:36):
I'm very sad that they edited those conversations out because
I would have loved to hear them. In terms of
what they did share on air about the situation, you
could tell Anna was completely shocked when the photos emerged.
Let's take a listen to what she said. We need
to talk Yah, right because.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
The sleep deprived mum. I was just looking on their
phone and I think I'm pretty sure it was in
the middle of the night and I hadn't been on
my phone like the day before, and then all of
a sudden, I see so much garbage on the inn.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm just gonna call it garbage.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And everyone's like, that's hard launch.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Wait.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I know that you were in Adelaide. I know that
you were going on a first day. How have we
gone from you telling me you're going on a first
day to now there's a hard launch out there.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah. Yeah, I was shook as well. I actually woke
up and saw that that as well, and I was like,
hang on wait what. I was like, I didn't hard
launch anyone.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So I was in Adelaide on getting some business done,
and while I was there, I was like, I'll catch
up with a friend. Yeah, so we went out for dinner.
Really nice. Adelaide is actually a really nice place.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
A little bit off track, but it was really nice
to hear both Matt and Anna talk so glowingly of Adelaide.
It was quite rare from Victorians. It is. I related
to Anna saying that she's going through a four month
regression at the moment, and it took her days to
even see the news of this hard launch happen, and
in the midst of a late night wake up call
she saw it. It sort of reminded me of when
I first saw the news of Taylor Swift and Travis
(07:15):
Kelsey getting together, only because I was up at three
am to see that news be broken live, so she
was a bit later to the story though. Yeah, it
seems like with newborn schedules, either the first or last
to hear about this type of pop option years. I'd
love to know the conversation Matt had with his date
Emily after her Instagram story made headlines. I'm guessing he
thought she was never going to post it, because he
(07:37):
explained that the photo got snapped while he and Emily
were waiting at the Lifts to go to the second
rooftop bar that they had visited. Anna did make a
bit of a dig, saying that that photo should have
been kept on her close friend's list, which I tend
to agree. It was clear that Matt wanted to clear
things up and let the world know that he's single.
This is what he said.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I woke up the next day and we'd hard launched,
which is not the case and not the case at all,
but yeah, it was pretty funny to see.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So she just put it in her story and then
it got taken.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Got taken, and yeah, if people work fast this industry,
they see something and they run with it and it
gets legs and look, I'm actually gonna say I would.
I really appreciate some of the kind messages I got
about it, but sorry, guys still thinking it was not
that at all. But I'm very nice girl as well,
very nice, nice day.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I wonder if Matt's got a few girls on the
roster who were like what the fuck when they saw
the photo. I feel like that would be a big
motivated to clear the rumor's up. I also think in
terms of how he's faring since the divorce, as we've
touched on before, he has this new puppy dog energy
about him. People seem to be liking Matt. He's receiving
a lot of apologies, and he probably wants to not
(08:53):
look like he's moved on too quick and is mindful
of that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, in yesterday's episode of Wears Your Head at they're
doing this thing where they dissect and I use that
term loosely some headlines, and one of the headlines they
chose to discuss was one about Matt caught out crying
after Tammy was found to be the ambassador for Tinder,
and He's like, oh my god, this is completely false.
I actually was crying because I watched a movie about
a golden retriever and he was saying I definitely was
(09:20):
not crying about Tammy Hembro. So he seems more and
more comfortable to talk about the situation. I mean, he
didn't name it. They just kept saying his ex wife.
But I think it is only a matter of time
before we hear a full breakdown of what's gone on.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I mention that I've been nominated for TikTok Creator of
the Year. The nominees for the twenty twenty five TikTok
Creator of the Year are in and Tammy Hembro is
the front runner. Did that surprise you it, Dick, because
I don't really think of her as being a TikToker
as such. I just think of her as being an
all round influencer, if that makes sense. I think that
(09:56):
on TikTok there's a lot of different niches and she's
just sort of a personality, if that makes I get
what you mean. But she does have over two million
followers on the platform, and she posts very different content
than she does on Instagram. I mean, she didn't even
post her divorce announcement on Instagram. That was purely on TikTok. Yeah,
but when you think about people who've won in the past,
like Anna Paul or Indy Clinton, they've really made a
(10:17):
name for themselves on TikTok through sharing everyday vlogs, whereas
she made a name for herself obviously on Instagram ten
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
But in saying that having a big following on Instagram
doesn't promise you a big following on TikTok, Like, there
are so many creators like just off the top of
my head, Sarah's Day, Steph Claire Smith who do not
have the same following that they do on TikTok as
they do on Instagram. In saying that, I suppose Tammy
has around seventeen eighteen million followers on Instagram and only
two million on TikTok, But I think her videos are
(10:49):
cutting through. I mean they get millions and millions of views. Yeah. Well,
as you said, Kate, she always seems to be dropping
bombs on there. Yeah, I mean, I think she's definitely
going to win this award just looking at her following
against the other nominees. The only one I'm actually familiar
with is Letitia Clark. Her mum is kat Clark, who
won the award three years ago. But I think Tammy
(11:09):
is a definite shoe in. It is voted on by
the public, and she's already put the call out on
an Instagram page saying you can vote once a day.
I wonder though, if some of the smaller creators have
more of an invested community of people who want to
see them do well. Quite often people don't really want
to see the big dog win, and Tammy feels like
the big dog in this situation. Yeah, but I think
TikTok probably want her to win, and of course they're
(11:31):
in charge of the algorithm, so her video promoting the
link to vote for her might appear to a lot
more people than the other nominees. Who knows, but I
definitely think we'll see her accepting the award. It's interesting
it was only a couple of weeks ago that Indy
Clinton opened up about that viral moment of her and
Anna Paul presenting Creator of the Year. It was an
(11:52):
absolute mouzzle. So for those who missed it, let's throw
to it. There were absolutely crickets afterward. They was all
very awkward, and Indy opened up about the experience on
(12:15):
the Happy Hour podcast with Lucy and Nicki a couple
of weeks ago, and it turns out that Anna Paul
had been chosen over Indy to present the award, and
that was despite the fact that Indy won the year prior.
So as the winner, you then get the honor of
presenting the new win it with their award. Yeah, Indy
said she'd been looking forward to having that moment on
stage and she was actually one of the hosts of
(12:36):
the awards alongside Robert Erwin and Kat Clark, and so
last minute it seems like the event organizers were like, Okay,
you can go on stage with Anna Paul. Reading between
the lines, it seems like Anna Paul dropped past the
rehearsals briefly for around ten to fifteen minutes, but that
wasn't long enough for them to actually rehearse the moment.
Indy had been there all day, so minutes before the
(12:58):
award was presented. Indy was like quickly whispering to Anna, like,
let's make it more dramatic ad pauses, but Anna ended
up reading straight from the autocue. Do you reckon that? Indie?
Feels safe now to tell that story considering the huge
cancelation of Anna Paul this year, because before she was
seen as the sweetheart of TikTok and people would have
come for her to hear anything negative. Yeah, I definitely
(13:18):
think so. I mean it was actually at the twenty
twenty four TikTok Awards that the crack started appearing for
Anna Paul. Remember she was on the red carpet and
she said this really tone deaf comment when they asked
her like who would you want to be? Like what
created would you want to be? And she's like, oh,
someone that has lots of money and flies around the world,
and like, isn't that you already? I wonder if she's
actually going to show up this year. It could be
(13:40):
a bit of a rebranding exercise for her. Yeah, well
we have to wait until Wednesday, the twenty sixth of
November to see if that happens. The Awards are being
hosted in Sydney this year, Sophie Monk is the host.
She is about to start hosting Love Island Australia. Are
you gonna watch that? I'm not really a big fan
of the Aussie version. I prefer to what the UK
(14:00):
Love Island. That being said, the UK version has been
pretty disappointing in recent years, and a lot of people
send us dms saying, oh my god. Last year the
Australian version was epic. You need to watch it again
this year? Hang on Love Island this year was really good.
What are you talking about? It wasn't as good. It
wasn't as good. I don't think it was. To be fair,
it was a little bit better. But I've watched so
many all Stars which have been disappointed. Good. Look. I
(14:23):
actually feel like it's a moment for you to eat
your words, because a couple of weeks ago you were
absolutely ripping into me about watching the Block. You're finally
watching it and loving it. Yeah, it's my relaxation show now,
Brandon and I. As soon as Luke has been put
to bed, we quickly put the Block on for a
couple of hours because we have all of the episodes
to catch up on. So jealous. I love it. It's
(14:45):
I haven't watched free to air television for a while,
and yes it can be a bit overproduced and dramatic,
but it's sort of the trash that I needed at
the moment, and I kind of like it sounds good bad.
I like that it's got ads because you've got your
time where you can be on your phone and then
you can put it back down. I'm really interested to
see how the block auctions go on Sunday night because
my dad, who also watches it, was telling me that
(15:08):
there are some whispers that the houses aren't going to
sell because they're just far too expensive for the Dalsford market.
Maybe we'll have to do a full block recap. Look
at me absolutely eating my words here now.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Some whople message us saying that they love it, so
I was like, okay, maybe I have to give it
a go. Yeah, I'm going to put it out there.
If the houses end up selling, I'm tipping Britain TAZ
for the win.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's just this like shadow of the past that will
always just sounds really deep, but like kind of come
back and I'll warn.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Us a bit.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
The second series of Molly May's docuseries Behind It All
has shone a light on the current state of her
relationship with boxer Tommy Fury. Whilst the couple rekindled their
relationship earlier this year, the UK influencer admits she has
ongoing trust issues and is haunted by ghosts of the past.
Before we dive into that sofa, I want to hear
your thoughts on the docuseries as a whole. I loved
(15:57):
every second of this. I don't think it will surprise anyone.
As a Molly May stand, I couldn't get enough of it.
It was this real cross between a fly on the
wall reality show and a documentary series. I think that
they managed to get that cozy, day to day vibe
that Molly has in her vlogs, whilst also having just
the right level of drama and conflict to get you hooked.
(16:17):
I feel like a terrible Molly may fan because I
need to call myself out. I actually haven't watched a
single second of it. I've seen a few reviews of
it on TikTok and people have been saying, oh, it's
no good, Like she's not likable, she's really out of touch,
and that's rattled me because I'm like, I loved the
first series of it, and I've actually been waiting to
make a bit of a night of it and watch
(16:37):
it with some nice snacks. I just haven't had that
moment so far. Yeah, but this show was literally made
for MOLLI may stands. It wasn't made for the critics,
and I think that people are being particularly critical of
it now that it won all the previous series won
an award. I think also because it's a docu series,
like people are taking it too seriously and like, oh,
this isn't an David Attenborough documentary. It's like no, it's
(17:00):
just behind the scenes of her life. Like it's a
documentary of her life. It's sort of an elevated version
of her vlogs because it does really show her day
to day life and it really goes into her experiences
with motherhood and also her business ventures and of course
the ups and downs of her relationship with Tommy, which
everyone wanted to find out about. See. I think there's
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not as much hype about this series as there was
the first series because there were still a lot of
question marks about the status of Tommy and Molly's relationship,
whereas we now know they're back together and personally I'm
not that interested in Molly's brand. Maybe I like the
second series better than the first so far because I
think there was a lot of patting happening with the
(17:40):
maybe content. We were expecting to hear a lot about
Molly and Tommy's relationship, but instead we got this whole
brand opportunity and the brand pushed down our throats, whereas
it feels more organic when the brand has been mentioned
so far in these first three episodes. I wonder if
it was a case of they filmed all this content
that didn't make Tommy look very good, and then suddenly
Molly and him got back together and they couldn't use
(18:02):
it like it didn't make sense in the story arc.
It's interesting though, because in this later series the relationship
with Tommy and Molly doesn't really look very rock solid,
does it.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
In this later series, she hinted that there are continuing
trust issues between her and Tommy, and this was made
very apparent when she went on a beach holiday to
Wales with her best friend and their two kids. So
while she was away with Bambi, Tommy was back home
in Manchester celebrating the release of his BBC documentary with
his mates, and I wonder if Molly purposely went away
during the launch of his doco so they weren't heaps
(18:33):
of questions about where she was, so she could just say, oh, well,
I've had this pre booked before. That's why I'm not
on the red carpet with it. Well, they did end
up having quite an awkward exchange over the phone. Let's
throw to that clip.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
No, it's just fustranging. I just feel like, you know,
things are going to roar me up. Tommy. You think
I don't know you after six years? What are you
talking about? I'll speak to you another time.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's that Mollie ended up hanging up on Tommy and
told the cameras that she doesn't want to be a
bore and Tommy should be able to do his thing.
That gave me the vibe that Tommy has been gaslighting
her because I think she is well within her rights
to be nervous about the fact that he's going to
be out partying with his friends and there's alcohol around.
Because at the end of the last series, while she
(19:18):
took him back, there seemed to be really no resolution
about his behavior and nothing had seemed to change that much.
It was just sort of like, oh, we're back together
because we love each other. It was evident that he
was on the piss there because she admitted that hearing
the word alcohol made her tense. I mean, we didn't
actually hear Tommy's side of the conversation. He has only
appeared in this documentary as a pop up on FaceTime.
(19:40):
He didn't actually appear on camera. Well, I wonder if
it's because of his own documentary and the BBC, like
maybe they've said you can't appear on the Prime one. Well,
it's interesting because a lot of people are reading into
this line that Molly said. She said that she's haunted
by ghosts of the past. Now, there were a lot
of rumors when she and Tommy broke up that he
had cheated on her, and there was actually also a
rumor that he'd got a girl pregnant. Now that was
(20:01):
actually bullshit that one. But people are saying, well, has
he cheated If you're saying you're being haunted by ghosts
of the past and there's these ongoing trust issues, I
don't think that you can have a docuseriies like this
if you're not going to be completely honest about the
whole situation, Like, yes, it was very brave of Tommy
to share about his issues with alcohol, but I almost
feel like it was used as a little bit of
(20:21):
an excuse to cover up anything else that has gone
down between them, because it's clear there are still issues
there that haven't been resolved. Yeah, I can see why
they haven't wanted to touch on it considering they have
got back together. Though. What was very clear is just
how tough this breakup has been on Molly. She said
that she suffered panic attacks and made the decision to
go on anti anxiety medication. So she's now on Beata blockers,
(20:43):
which essentially slow her heart rate down and also lower
her blood pressure. Now, a clip of Molly's manager, Fran
has gone viral. Basically she's giving her a right bollocking
about not creating promotional content for a brand, which was
pretty surprising because Molly May is one of the UK's
biggest influencers and I think she does brand content very
well well. This actually happened on the same beach trip,
(21:05):
so Molly forgot to bring the product with her and
instead of being upfront with Fran, she actually had previously
lied to Fran and said that she'd already shot it,
and then she disappeared for three days and didn't answer
any of Fran's call. So, as you said, okay, Fran
went ballistic. She is a bit of a ball breaker.
She was not happy they showed her on FaceTime and
she told Molly that she'd let people down and that
(21:27):
it's not like her and it was just really awkward.
So Molly ended up having to pack up all of
their stuff leave this trip early, and she actually said
to the camera crew, look, I know that you want
to capture the chaos of us packing everything up, but
we're not going to get out of here on time
if you don't help. So everyone put the cameras down.
But yeah, it did seem a bit out of character
(21:47):
for her, and Fran was saying, oh, I'm just worried
that you're too burnt out, Molly. You're trying to be
the best partner, you can be the best mum, that
you can be the best business owner, and there's cracks appearing.
It was also an interesting insight into molly relationship with Fran.
They have referred to each other as their best friends.
Molly was a bridesmaid in friend's wedding, but clearly the
foundation of their friendship is business, and Fran has to
(22:10):
have these tough conversations with her. I mean she's wanting
her ten percent cut, isn't she. I mean, I'm sure
the Brown deal was massive.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, something else we learned in this stocco is that
Molly and Tommy are still living separately. So right before
their breakup, they purchased a home which they dubbed their
forever home. It sounds like it's a ridiculous mansion and
they were actually set to move in, but then suddenly
broke up and Tommy ended up moving into that brand
new house, whereas Molly still lives in the house. I
(22:39):
think is it called Molly Mason? Is that what they
call the house? Ma? Maison? Sorry? And since then, Bambi
has been going between the two houses, and Molly admitted
that despite the couple now being back together, Bamby probably
feels like her parents are living these very separate lives.
And in this scene where her sisters Zoe, whose side
note we need more in the documentary because she was
(23:01):
really the standout star, well, I wonder if she has
purposely recluded a little bit after getting backlash of being
two in Molly's business, and also she didn't hide the
fact that she's not Tommy Feury's biggest fan in the
first series. So now that they're back together, she's taken
a bit of a back seat. I mean, she has
moved in with Molly since then, but it seems like
she's just looking after the house when Molly's not there. Well,
Zoe and her husband Danny, they are moving out of
(23:24):
the house soon and they are moving into their own
house that they've built, and Molly was saying that she
doesn't know what to do with her current house going forward.
She says she doesn't want to sell it and she
doesn't want to rent it out because the house has
become her safety blanket. She said, it means that she's
able to remove herself from a situation with Tommy if
she needs to. I mean, the fact that you need
(23:44):
a backup mansion in case you have a fight just
tells me that your relationship is not in a good plaace. Yeah.
She described it as not wanting to put all of
her eggs in one basket and said that it would
be scary to get rid of the house because with
Tommy she never knows what tomorrow is going to bring
and she gets really inky. She just thinking that she
might wake up to this big problem that she can't
remove her so from. It didn't sound great well when
(24:06):
series one concluded. I think we all sat there and
thought this is not going to work out well for them.
I'm like, we're happy to see them back together, but
realistically they haven't sorted anything out well. It was actually
Zobe who was saying to her, Look, Molly, this isn't
normal for Bamby to be going between the two houses
and to not really know what's going on between you two.
(24:27):
You need to try living back with Tommy. I wonder
if she suggested that because she kind of hopes that
maybe it'll end up with them breaking up. I think
she's the only realistic one in this situation. It seems
like Tommy and Molly are walking on eggshells around each
other because they still want to be together, but they
know realistically it's not going to work. I mean, Molly
(24:48):
even mentioned that she has chosen not to put her
engagement ring back on yet, so she admitted that she
doesn't feel quite ready to wear it again, and she
wants Tommy to make some sort of gesture now. She
said she doesn't expect a full blown proposal, but she'd
like him to plan, you know, like a nice romantic
dinner out so she can have that moment where she's like, Okay,
(25:09):
I'll wear it again. I mean, that'sn't exactly hard to
plan a nice dinner out.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't know why he hasn't done it already. She
is saying that this is a full new chapter for
her and Tommy, and again reiterated that they're back together,
but things aren't perfect now. Away from Tommy, the docuseries
really centered around Molly's experience as a mum, particularly the
intense mum shaming that she's been receiving. We've spoken at
length about the incidences on this podcast before. Funnily enough,
(25:37):
we were actually contacted by the Behind It All docuseries producers.
They asked if they could use a clip from our podcast,
so we spoke about Molly and her secret nanny. I
was so excited by this. I was like, does this
mean that Molly may knows we exist? Yeah, well, someone
in her team. The segment was actually from our subs
(25:57):
episode and I was like, I can't even remember what
we said, and we listen back I have the croakiest
voice on it. Anyway, they were really keen to have
the clip, and then they ghosted us, so we got
the vibe that I mean, they did it really well
in the first series where they would have people popping
up on TikTok or podcasts popping up, and they wanted
to use a line that made it sound like we're
being quite negative around the fact that it was revealed
(26:20):
that Molly had this secret nanny, whereas we came back
to them and said we were actually defending her decision
to do so and felt it was a bit sexist
that no one brought up the fact that Tommy also
has a nanny for his daughter, So I think as
soon as they heard that they were like, oh, we
might be barking up the wrong tree with that one.
It was quite interesting because they offered us a fee
to use the snippet from our podcast, and they asked
(26:42):
us how much we'd want for it, and we were like,
I have no idea what people would charge. We went
back to them and said, well, what's your budget. They
said three hundred pounds, which isn't too bad for like
a tiny snippet of your podcast. I actually thought considering
it was a internetational licensing that it wasn't that much
at all. Was still six hundred bucks, Sami, we would
(27:05):
have let the music for free, let's be honest, just
to be on Mommy Master. I was so excited. I'm like,
oh my god, everyone that listens is going to be
thrilled for us that we're in the dog open. Well,
talking about the secret nanny, does she have one or not? Well, yes,
she does have a nanny. And this was brought up
when she was getting ready to go on a work
trip for a couple of days to Saint Trepey and
(27:25):
she was talking to her dad about it and he said, oh,
who's going to be looking after Bambi whilst you're away,
and she said, oh, we've got childcare covering some of
the days. She then told her dad that there's been
all this speculation in the press about Bambi's childcare and
whether she has a nanny, and she said that she
never knew it was going to be blown into such
a big issue, and to be honest, she had shied
(27:47):
away from talking about it because she was really mindful
that she didn't want to upsend any mums or make
any of them feel less than and she confirmed that
it's not actually around the clock care is just when
she and Tommy are at work. I think the difficulty
with Molly and her job as an influencer is that
her role is to be as relatable as possible, even
(28:07):
though she is a multimillionaire who is super famous, and
when you watch her vlog she seems like just your
everyday girl, someone that you could be friends with. So
I understand why she probably shied away from talking about
the fact that she has a nanny and in terms
of how often she uses her. And I think people
probably see her day documented on YouTube and go, oh,
(28:28):
but all she does is go down to the shops
and watches movies at home or what she has a
nanny to look after Bambi. I don't think people realize, oh,
she actually has a business that she needs to work at,
like most mums go back to work after a period
of time. Yeah, And I think that it's more evident
when you watch the docu series how busy her life
(28:48):
is and the fact that she is this huge business
owner and also has all these brand deals that she's
got to manage. At the same time, she said that
having a nanny allows her to keep working and build
her business and create this life that she wants too.
For Bamby, I think we also forget the fact that
she's only twenty six years old and she's navigating motherhood
for the first time. She got a lot of flak
for a potty training scene that was included in this documentary.
(29:11):
I saw people talking about that on TikTok because people
were like, why did they film her in the bath
and also on the potty, Like they censored it, but
they were saying, well, what about the film crew that
were there that you saw it all happening. I do
understand that, but I think it was actually a really
clever way to juxtaposition this very glamorous lifestyle that Molly
has with the struggles of motherhood. Because in the scene,
(29:32):
she has this pink potty training toilet set up in
Baby's on sween and Baby just refused to go on there,
and Molly had bought her this little bucket hat and
some sunglasses and said only girls who used the toilet
are allowed to wear these. Anyway, Baby wasn't having any
of it. She hid in this basket and then absolutely
(29:53):
lost it when Molly tried to put her on the
toilet like it was very relatable for any parents. It
was an absolute shit show. Pardon the b I mean,
I get that that's good content, but personally, if I
was Bamby, I don't think I'd be thrilled that this
vision of me learning to use the potty was being
aired to millions of people across the world. It was
quite humorous because she then put Bambi in the bath
(30:16):
and Bambi ended up, of course, pooing in the bar
and she's having to scoop out this disintegrating poo. So,
I mean, the thing that actually made me more mad
was that Tommy then pops up on face time. Oh
how did you go, Bambi? It's like, where are you?
Why are you not helping?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I read an article saying that the docuseries actually posed
more questions than it answered, and it seems like by
Molly letting this crew into her life when I think
that there are a lot of unanswered questions that she
wants to know the answers to in terms of her
in a relationship with Tommy, and it's just come across
as a little bit awkward. Yeah, but again, this docuseriies
(30:54):
has two parts to it. So we've got three episodes
that have been released. Now, at the start of next
year we have three. I'm sure those three more are
going to answer some of those questions. I think it's
actually set it up in a really clever way because
it leaves you wanting more. How long of these episodes
are they around like the forty five to hour mark
again or only about half an hour? I got through
them so quickly. Well, that's disappointing. Maybe I could have
(31:16):
bloody watched them this week because I saw Molly talking
about how she's taken this big hiatus from YouTube because
she's been filming, you know, twenty four to seven to
only have an hour and a half worth of content
when some of her vlogs are around the thirty to
forty minute mark each week. Yeah, but I think it's
quality over quantity. The episodes were snappy, they kept you engaged,
and I personally cannot wait for the second installment to
(31:38):
drop in January. Let's have a bit of a Friday debrief.
I want to know what your highs and lows for
this week are, Sophie. I think I already know your low. Oh,
it's definitely the four months week progression. I touched on
this in our Subs episode. It's hit me hard. I
have been pre emptying it for a couple of weeks now.
It's not like you to be pessumists. No, I've done
a lot of reading about it because I was like,
(31:59):
I just want to know when it's gonna hit, and
I want to know when it's gonna end. Unfortunately, there's
not an answer to any of those questions because it
is subjective. Well, us just life with a baby. I
don't think that they don't come with a handbook. Unfortunate,
h I mean, Luckily, he's still sleeping really well overnight.
It's just his daytime naps that have been thrown off.
Literally it'll be thirty minutes and bang on the thirty
(32:20):
minutes he wakes up and can't resettle himself. He is
learning so many things though, So my high of the
week has to be the fact that he's put on
a lot more weight recently. He's looking a lot bigger,
and he's just smiling and there's so much more personality now. So,
I mean, she's so gorgeous. You've got to take the
good with the bad, don't you. My low of the
week is that poor Amy has been sick. She's been
(32:41):
struck down by It's not the flu of COVI, but
it's some nasty sort of coldy virus, and that's why
she hasn't been on the show this week. But it
also means double the work for Sophie and I, especially
those of us struggling with four month aggressions and children
not sleeping during their naptimes, which is your only time
to do some work. It makes it tough. Yeah, so
poor Aim, she is starting to feel a lot better,
(33:02):
but we haven't really seen her because she was away
in Kangaroo, Ireland for a couple of days too, so
I'm really missing her. So that would be my low
of the week. My high of the week is sadly
television related. I know we talked about the Block. I'm
sad that the Block is basically over, but I've replaced
that obsession so for you'll be excited by this. With
(33:22):
the Summer, I turned pretty well, I did sad watch
the Block. If you watch the Summer, I turn pretty
and look, we should take each other's recommendations more clearly.
It's the first show in a long time where I
don't even want to be on my phone, like I've
got to be watching it, and it's so nice to
actually be so invested in a TV show. I'm at
the end of the second series, and I've been told
that the third series is by far the best, and
(33:42):
that I didn't even have to bother to watch the
first two. I said to Brannon last night, I just
can't wait for Kate to start watching the third series.
You're gonna have your socks blown off.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
See.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
It's annoying because I actually do know what happens at
the end. I won't spoil it for anyone else, but
I do think it's fairly obvious. Yeah, I know what
happens at the end. And I've been hearing everyone going
on like, oh, I'm team Conrad, I'm team Jeremiah. And
I was surprised because towards the end of season two
I was Team Jeremiah. But I've been told that I
will turn into team Conrad in season three because, not
(34:12):
to give anything away, but they really make Jeremiah into
a bit of a flog in season three. When I
first watched her, I was like, I don't rate any
of these guys. I don't think they're attractive. I mean,
probably because they looked really young. But now I'm like,
oh my god, they're both gorgeous, Like, which one would
I choose from there. That's the best thing about how
the show's created is you almost feel like you're Belly
and you're in the dialamma of Oh my god, they're
(34:32):
both incredible. I've got a bone to pick with Belly.
Why are you messing with these boys when their mothers
just passed away. I get so annoyed at her. I'm like,
you're causing this problem, and apparently I'm going to be
even more annoyed with her by season three. In season three,
everyone turned on Belly. I'm already turned on her now,
not impressed with her behavior. It's funny because she's the
main character, but she's not the hero of the show.
The heroes of the show are Jeremiah and Conrad. Yep,
(34:55):
so I'm getting ready to be team Conrad because I
always love an underdog. Suddenly that he's the underdog on
my own. It flipped so much during the series. It's
so clever. Yeah, I could talk about that show all day,
but we probably should head off. Thank you so much
for joining us for this episode. If you have enjoyed it,
Could you please make sure you are subscribed on Apple
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(35:15):
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an extension of this show. You get a third episode
every week. This week, we spoke about the croc invasion
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(35:36):
to launch a faceless kid's clothing campaign, and also Indie
Clinton taking aim at her plastic surgeon. We also had
a bit of a candid conversation about Sophiekesha's recent podcast interview.
If you want to hear about that, Yeah, and let
us know if you do want us to do a
bit of a deep dive into that. Also a bit
of a live update. Artie's pet snake has been located.
(36:00):
You know what are the odds of that? We just
basically finished the episode. I scrolled on Instagram and I'm like, oh,
the snake has been found. So it was actually hiding
in a bag. So Chloe has opened up the bag.
She wrote, Oh my God saw her pop her head
out of this bag as I was going into my car.
This am anyone want a snake? I think my snake
(36:20):
mom days are over? Sorry Artie. Now in the photo,
the snake again looks like it's about to strike. Oh
it's horrible. I'm gonna have nightmares after this. We should
probably leave things there. Thank you so much again for
joining us. This episode was recorded on the traditional land
of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay
respect to elders past and present,
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