Two Australian mummy bloggers have caused controversy this week by sharing their children’s hospital visits. The backlash was immediate, with followers disgusted by the invasion of the children’s privacy.
Ruby Tuesday Matthews has taken aim at ‘fake arse’ influencers and I’m here for it. Earlier this week, she attended a lunch to celebrate the launch of content creator Hayley Andersen’s collaboration with Status Anxiety. Following the event, Ruby took to her Instagram story to put some of the influencers in attendance on blast.
This week the Daily Mail broke the news that Olivia Rogers and Morgan Waterhouse have ended their seven-month relationship. Whilst this is one of the worst kept secrets, many are questioning the reliability of the source and the lengths publications go to break the news first.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Coming up on today's show, the two Australian mummy bloggers
using their kids hospital visits for content.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ruby Tuesday, Matthews takes aim.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
At fake US influences, the media reporting of Olivia Rodgers
breakup and the Melbourne Cup snub. Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbah and with the
festive season almost upon us, anticipation is setting in as
(00:35):
we get set to discover our Spotify rap.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
For the year.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
However, many of us were left slightly alarmed when we
heard a new app called insta Rap would reveal who
we've been stalking the most.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I haven't heard this and I'm slightly alarmed.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah. Well, apparently the app can expose juicy stats such
as how many Instagram accounts took screenshots of your post,
how many accounts blocked you, and which account viewed your
profile the most. Surely this isn't actually a thing, because
obviously Instagram's not serving it up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's an app. It kind of sounds a bit like
a scam.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I hope it's a scam because this would invade a
lot of people's privacy. I was just mentally thinking, Oh
my god, who have I stalked the most this year?
Because this is going to be so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Thank god for finsters. Oh that's what's going to ask
you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Can you immediately think of the person that is probably
in your Instagram app?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, that I would be appearing in.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I'm more thinking of all the influencers stuff that
I screenshot for research.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Suspicion did start growing when people began posting their Instagram
wraps online and the results didn't really make sense, but
they weren't adding up. People were saying, well, I don't
even know who this person is who's apparently viewing my
profile all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So people are actually.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Sharing it like this psycho has been looking at my style,
sharing it on their stories and also on TikTok. Now,
the app does ask users to submit their password and
use the name, so this is.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Where alarm they'll started ringing.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So one TikTok user said it should be called insta hack,
not insta rap because they believe it's a scam to
hack into a ton of Instagram accounts. And it's quite
alarming because this app has risen to the top of
the app store because so many people are curious as
to who's looking. What's alarming is we've established this as
clearly fake, but imagine that people's accounts that your name
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might be.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Popping up in and people thinking that it's legit.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I assume if you're signing up to this app, they're
probably just ripping your data and your photo and putting
on other people.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So some random Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
When I first heard about this app and heard that
it was called insta rap, I thought, oh, Instagram or
Meta must have a part to play in this, because
in recent years platforms like be Real and Apple Music,
they have jumped on the bandwagon like Spotify, and they've
been doing you know, gimmick similar where they'll give your
digital habits away to you. But when I heard that
this was a third party, I was thinking, well, how
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are they going to get any of these stats from Meta?
And Instagram don't want to give out that information because
no one would use Instagram. Yeah, because when you said it,
I thought it was going to be a rap of
who you've been stalking in the account so you mostly engage.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
With And I'm like, who the fuck would want to
share that well.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
A spokesperson for Meta told NBC News that the app
violates their policies and they've asked Apple to remove it
from the Apple Store and as of Tuesday, it's website,
server and IP address could no longer be found. So
it looks like we're going to be saved from this embarrassment.
And anyone who did download the app and put their
password in probably time to change your password.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Did you guys see that Instagram is apparently going to
take away the scene option, so when you got into
your messages, yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Going to take it away.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh thank god, because I used to be under the
illusion that if you checked a message and then highlighted
it and pressed unread, it would be unread to the person.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It took me a year to realize that that's not
the case.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
People are pissed off because they're saying from a dating perspective,
it is actually good to see if the guy or
girl your dating has seen the message, but it's also hurtful. Yeah,
but it should be something like you have on your
iPhone where you opt in for your messages to be
shown that you've read it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Who is opting in for that. I remember back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I'm like, who actually wants people to see immediately?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
See?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Sove has it on her phone. Yeah, I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I've set that up, God, because I always click people's
messages and then don't reply.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I actually like it. Oh sorry I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I like it because I can actually hold Zovie accountable.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I've got to somehow work out how to get that off.
I stumbled across.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
This TikToker who gives all of these tips about how
to make your photos look better.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And you can unclick it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So that it's not so high resolution, so it's a
bit like the older phones. And also you can click
a button so that your face isn't mirrored incorrectly, because
I was thinking, why does my face look so weird?
I've got a very angular face. I have a particular
face that I like to be on a certain angle,
and all my selfie is.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It kept flipping it the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I saw this and apparently what is it's actually showing
you is what your face actually I look like to
everyone else. But if you untick that option, then it's
showing you what you would see.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
In a mirror.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Well on that isn't snapchat just the most unflattering cameras.
Something there's something what is going on there?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Very dark and grainy because.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Every time I accidentally flick it on, I look so horrounded.
To be fair, they've got so many filters now, I
actually disagree. I think that with all the filters, people.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Look better on that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think it's just the shock when it comes on,
and it's always at a hideous angle.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, you're drinking and stop drinking. I should drink water.
It's a mixer, PERTSU.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
We have it with whiskey.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
On Wednesday, the Daily Mail broke the news that Olivia
Rodgers and Morgan Waterhouse have ended their relationship. Now, whilst
this was one of the worst kept secrets, many have
questioned the reliability of the source and the lengths publications
have gone to to break the news first. So if
it's been such an action packed week for Olivia, yeah,
that's right. She has been all over at my news
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feed this week because she's been attending countless events as
part of the Victorian Racing Carnival. Now, despite the way
that a lot of us feel about the races, Olivia
really has made horse racing part of her brand, and
many of us have been enjoying keeping up to date
with a lot of her stunning outfits. This year, she
is an ambassador for the OZ Childhood Foundation, which partners
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with the Victorian Racing Carnival. I found that an interesting
detail and quite clever, because you can't be too critical
of someone if they're doing something for charity. In saying that, though,
she has copped it online for attending the races. Yeah,
but I think that some people have also been in
her camp though, defending her decision to be an ambassador
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and also defending horse racing as a whole. There's a
certain type of influencer though that does promote the Melbourne Cup.
They always seem to be the more bougie like ex
private school stylish. We will actually be getting into the
Melbourne Cup controversies later in this episode, but getting back
to Olivia, she has been attending a lot of public
events this week where she's had to promote the cause
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to journalists, so she has had a very public facing
role and The Daily Mail seemed to take advantage of this.
They seem very excited to get a so called exclusive
scoop at the Melbourne Cup On Tuesday out about Olivia.
So a journalist by the name of Ali Deha round
headline exclusive Olivia Molly Rodgers confirm split from Morgan Waterhouse
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after seven months of dating, as they're spotted attending different
marquees at Melbourne Cup seven months they went together for
seven months. They announced they were in a relationship back
in March, so it has been a fair amount of time.
But word on the street is that they actually began
dating in December last year, so it's almost a year
long relationship. Wow, that has flown by it because it
(07:45):
was not long after Olivia posted her Olivia Edit of
her wedding video that rumors started to turn. Now, going
back to this story, you would assume that maybe Olivia
or Morgan gave a quote to this journalist, but no,
so called scoop came from a Daily Mail photographer. So
in the article, the journalist claims that on Melbourne Cup day,
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Olivia told one of their photographers that she and Morgan
had broken up. So Ali wrote the former Miss Universe
Australia thirty one told photographers at the Melbourne Cup on
Tuesday that the pair broke off their relationship and they
have already gone their separate ways. I am sure that
they're first on the list for her to be sharing
this inforation with the journalists, then proceeded to quote her writing,
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were not together anymore? Not many people know that. This
is where I call bullshit, because anyone who was interested
in Olivia Rodgers knows that their relationship ended once they
got back from BALI. I know there was a photo
of Morgan at the marathon recently with Olivia, but I
could see that totally as friends. And the story continued
saying that Morgan was enjoying the luxury offerings at another marquee,
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which was one.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Hundred meters away from her.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
How awkward though that, Since when is Olivia mentioning in
passing to a photographer an official quote. I mean, I
have seen this headline everywhere I saw the Advertiser, Herald's Son,
all of the big papers have picked up on literally
her just saying to apparently a photographer that she and
he have split up. Look, as a journalist, it is
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so unethical to use a quote, firstly from someone when
they're not giving you an interview, because even if this
conversation did take place, this comment may have been said
off the record. Or perhaps when Olivia may have been drinking.
And for those who don't know, making a comment off
the record, it means that it's not made as an.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Official or attributable statement.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
But she's hardly gonna be like, hey, boys, just off
the record, I'm no longer with him. Like they were
probably just hassling her the whole time, and she probably said, oh,
we're not together. See the thing is I question whether
this comment was said at all. You guys one hundred
percent believed that she may have said this.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
She did.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
She said it in passing, But why would she Probably
because they kept asking her, where's Morgan?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Where's Morgan? She said we're no longer together.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, she's made it pretty obvious on Instagram without
saying it. Might not just announce it, Yeah, but she's
a announced it on her Instagram story without announcing it.
She's completely faded him out. Yeah, but there's been so
many questions marks particularly since he appeared in a photo
with her at the marathon, and I just think she
would be more savvy and more on guard when speaking
to a member of the media. She would want to
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control the narrative and put out her side of this.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
She's probably getting.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Drunk in a marquee at the races and said something offhand.
The reality is that when you work in the journalism world,
you have different contacts.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I would assume that Olivia.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Thought she was speaking off the record. She's not doing
an interview with a photographer. She probably just mentioned it briefly,
didn't think the photographer was going to repeat it. I
think in this case it's pretty unethical that this has
come out as the headline. What's interesting about this reporter,
Ali deha is he is quite controversial because he's been
called out by Megan Pistetto from The So Dramatic podcast
a number of times because she's accused him of claiming.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Her exclusives as his own.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And I actually remember this guy from back in the day,
probably like the early twenty tens, because he was a
serial celebrity hunter. He had a MySpace page and every
single person that came to Sydney Airport he was in photos.
It was like Zac Efron, Daniel Radcliffe, any celebrity you
can think of, this guy had a photo with. So
it's kind of funny that he's now become such a
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notorious Daily Mail reporter. Yeah. Look, I just find the
whole thing a bit gross because whilst Olivia has put
a relationship out there for judgment and also comment, I
think it's really unethical for a news publication like the
Daily Mail to break the news on an offhand comment.
And it's quite clear that this article was put out
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as a strategy to force Olivia to comment more on
the breakup, which then leads to further articles and further
clicks for the online media. Because I've heard from a
number of good sources that Olivia Rodgers' content sells and
it gets sight clicks, so in turn they make money
from it. But are we making too much of it?
Because Olivia used this relationship with Morgan as content, we
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saw the whole photo shooting bar for over a month.
I was surprised that she even made this relationship public
off the back of her divorce. The more I think
about it, though, could the plot twist be that this
is actually a stroke of pr genius from Olivia Rodgers
because maybe she didn't want to have to make a
big post and put it out there and say, oh,
it's another break up. Maybe she actually mentioned offhand to
(12:20):
this journalist and he said, well, we're going to play
it this way.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It's still getting out. There is another breakup, and very publicly.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, but it's not her having to put the messaging
out there and make a big deal of it on
social media. Didn't she prefer to control the narrative.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I think she would.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I just think this is all PR for her. A
lot of people speculated whether this relationship with Morgan was
a PR relationship, and it seems like it kind of mighty.
I think it was a genuine relationship. It's obvious that
he was some sort of rebound and he feeled a
particular voice.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Why be so public about it?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Because even when she spoke on Life on Cut, she
said that she has this really bad habit of jumping
from relationship to relationships. She obviously struggles to be on
her own. And I suppose when you're going through a breakup,
perhaps your mental health is suffering and you just need
something or someone to make you happy. Interesting thing is,
will Morgan say anything? Because even after these articles have
come out, Olivia has remained tight lip. Well, they seem
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to be on good terms. They still seem to be
liking one another's pictures, so maybe it ended quite amicably. Well,
he does have his own podcasts. I listened to the
first episode.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And that was a struggle.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Maybe or have to do a bit more research and
see what he's been saying recently.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Take one for the team, Kate.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
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So thank you. Right what elesome scatter caution your.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Car brands and influencers are continuing to distance themselves from
the Melbourne Cup. However, rather than publicly condemning the Cup,
they're playing it safe. So which big names have stepped away?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
This year Maya pulled the pin on its almost four
decade partnership with the Melbourne Cup. So the department store
had previously been sponsoring fashions on the field, so that
was a huge move now. The backtrack came after a
group called Collective Fashion Justice launched a targeted campaign against
Maya last year, calling on them to withdraw all funding
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from the racing industry. This pressure seems to have also
hit David Jones and Country Road because they no longer
appear to be promoting racing fashion instead, a lot of
brands are opting for the words spring events instead. I
have noticed this a lot over my social media that
I haven't been seeing the typical racing fashion being promoted. Yeah,
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I think that's been happening for a while now now.
Kristen Lee, who is the convener of the Nut to
the Cup campaign, says whilst businesses are responding to the
mounting pressure, many brands are staying tight lipped about it.
So she says many businesses actually sought the campaign's advice
and hosted in house nup to the Cup events. However,
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when she asked if she could thank them publicly for
the donations that they made, many requested not to be mentioned.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think that these.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Brands are trying to avoid any sort of drama or controversy,
and they don't want to be seen to be making
a political stance for one or the other. It is
a tough ass sometimes to expect brands to be political,
because essentially, if they don't align to a message that
their customers hold, then they're turning their back on those consumers.
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So I do understand in a sense why brands are
very uneasy to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I wonder if've had anything.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
To do with some of the backlash that some of
the big brands and companies got after being involved in
the yes no vote, because there was a lot of
public backlash.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's safe to say that the Melbourne Cup is not
cool anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It hasn't been for so much.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I remember growing up though everyone wanted to be seen
at the Cup and it was all about what you
were wearing. But young people are going out of their
way to avoid it as much as they can, and
this is due to concern obviously over animal welfare, gambling,
and also spikes in domestic violence which can be brought
on by these types of events. A lot of people
also are feeling uncomfortable that we're going through a cost
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of living crisis at the moment, and there's a lot
of emphasis put on this wealth inequity, so we're seeing
all of these rich people wearing expensive clothes to the
event when so many people are struggling. The Melbourne Cup
has always reminded me a bit of the Brownlow Metal,
where people actually enjoy the actual fashion more than the
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event itself, the joke of it, because half the people
that are in attendance in terms of influencers, probably don't
give a shit about the horse racing. They just wanted
an excuse to dress up, have a drink and party
with the marquees.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah well.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Claire Winterborne from influencer agency Born Bread Talent, she said
that some influencers that she works with flat out refuse
to be associated with the Cup, and those who do
end up attending have safeguards in place so that they
don't end up being visually associated with the event, so
I assume that many are saying that photographers aren't allowed
to take snaps of them there they don't want to
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be in any promotional marketing content. I wonder if the
influencers who have attended have been paid more to attend,
because as you said, it's obviously quite difficult to get
people to the event.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
They must be offering up big boy.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I found it quite telling that Love Ireland's Gemma Owen
was flown from the UK to be one of Victorian
Racing Carnival's main ambassadors, because it's safe to say that
many of the local celebs or influencers who have her
large platform wouldn't want to be seen dead associated with this.
She's involved in the equestrian world, so I wonder if
they tried to tie that in. Most the brand alignment
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is spot on because, as you said, Amy, when she
appeared on Love Island, she spoke a lot about being
an international dressage rider and she lives and breathes horses.
She's also the daughter of international soccer star Michael Owen,
so she has a massive platform and following. Was anyone
shocked to see the combination of Beck Judd and Tammy Hembro.
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So there was a photo of them from Derby Day
and it blew my mind. I was like what, but
I actually had to cast.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
My mind back.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Beck Judd was recently in a photo with Sophie Guidolin.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh that's weird.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, I feel like you're gonna trigger a lot of
people because some people say Derby, some people say Derby Day.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, what did I say? He said Derby? I think
that's an adelaide.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We did, of course, cop some heat for being at
the event. One commenter said I'd be embarrassed to show
photos of myself celebrating horse racing. Haven't we got to
the stage now that using horses and animals to provide
entertainment for humans is outdated?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, they do have a point.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Just to wrap this up, going back to Gemma, I
love that she got the memo and had styled by
Bloom dressing her. Even though she's from the UK, she
knows he's the hottest stylist of the moment.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's probably organized for her. Oh what want somebody please think?
Other children?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Two Australian mummy bloggers have caused controversy this week by
sharing their children's hospital visits online. The backlash was immediate,
with followers disgusted by the invasion of the children's privacy.
Now the first mummy blogger in question is Margo Follis,
and she goes by the handle The French Folk, as
the name suggests. She and her husband Lucas are French,
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but they now live in Australia with their three young children,
and Margo owns a kid's clothing line and also herself
in her Instagram bio as an interior designer and photographer.
Now Earlier this week, she shared a grid post updating
her followers about her daughter's medical emergency. Now she didn't
post one. She posted seven black and white photos of
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her young daughter in hospital, including pictures of her toddlet
being worked on by three medical professionals. It was really
distressing because the poor young girl had an oxygen mask
on and she had all these chords connected to different machines. Look,
I have never been in a situation where a medical
emergencies happened and I thought I'm going to whack out
my phone and take a couple of snaps. That's just
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never occurred to me as something to do. I can
imagine taking photos to update family members every year.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Okay, on, excuse me, just a resac? Can I get
a TikTok?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What about the privacy of these medical professionals who were
being shared all over her instagrams? Well, Margo did go
on to reveal that her daughter had suffered a farabel seizure,
and she shared extent details about what led up to
the hospital trip as well as the hospital visit. I'll
just put a trigger warning these details are quite confronting.
So Margo spoke about how her daughter became unresponsive, floppy,
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and began convulsing. She then detailed how she didn't think
to call an ambulance, but jumped in the cart with
her other kids and sped to the hospital and while
all of this was happening, her daughter began frothing and
her lips turned blue. The good news is Margo's daughter
is okay and back at home and they are now
awaiting results to find out if she has RSV. The
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backlash from Margo's post was instant. Many people were questioning
whether she had permission from hospital staff to post their faces,
and that's a very fair question. Can you imagine doing
your job at a hospital will be extremely stressful and
then popping up in the background of some influencer's photo. Yeah,
it just adds another layer of stress to the situation. Now,
one person wrote online and yet you had time to
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take photos and post on social media. Horrible experience, But
that just seems eq to me. And that comment received
eighty seven likes, and again I completely agree with this.
I don't have children of my own, so I'm going
to annoy people and compare my dogs to them. Whenever
I have to take my dog to the event for
an emergency situation like Sonny eating my sports bra, I
am so panicked and nervous that I don't even want
(22:17):
to jinx the situation by taking any sort of photo
and posting it. I just feel like it is so
attention so performative, Like why would you want to remember
that moment? Anyway? Do you think though, that some people
might share stuff as a way of kind of dealing
with this situation, because I would never ever think to
share this. But I do have people on Facebook that
(22:40):
I would never think would overshare like this that actually do,
and they're really good people. Yeah, but because they feel
like they don't have any control, so they have control
over photographing of that mate, it's kind of like more
that they overshare about their children, and it's in a
way because maybe they don't have other people to talk
to you directly. I think you're thinking about boomers that
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don't know social media etiquette. This woman is an influencer,
and to me it comes across that she is using
her kids for content, but also exactly so, she is
sharing this to a huge community of people who don't
actually know her or her children.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, and she's.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Sometimes different on Facebook when you've got actually a core
group of people that know you. And she also added
a million hashtags to this post, so it was quite
clear that she was trying to drive engagement and get
as many people seeing it as possible. Hashtag insensitive hashtag,
should put my hashtag vulgar.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Someone actually wrote to her kids are not content taking
a picture of your child during a terrifying and vulnerable moment,
posting to social media and then using a million hashtags?
Do your children not deserve any privacy? Unfollowing immediately we want.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Privacy now now.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Margo actually replied to this comment, writing totally fine with it, babe.
Your life will be much better without my disgusting.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Content in it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, she really wasn't having any of it. She also
jumped on her stories to share her frustration. She shared
screenshots of people accusing her of having a photo shoot
in hospital and wrote, some people on this platform, honestly
I hate them. Obviously English isn't my first language, but
I mean photoshoot. I don't think we have the same
definition of a photo shoot. And it's only black and
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white to actually make the photo look less graphic. There
is no fucking filter. I think idea, If the photo's graphic,
why don't you just not post it? Well, I think
people were accusing her of doing a photoshoot because she
actually is a photographer, and she kind of continued to
dig a hole for herself. So she proceeded to share
a screenshot of all of the photos that she had
taken in her gallery, and there were just so many
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of them, and she wrote, this is my camera role.
I see only candid photo switched to black and white.
You know what, I never posted photos taken with my phone,
so it's the first time. So yeah, photoshoot my ass.
She ended up then putting the rude finger emoji. She
then signed off from Facebook and.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Explained that Instagram.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
She then signed off from Instagram and explain that she
had blurred the medical professionals faces but accidentally uploaded the
wrong ones. Is is she trying to defend herself by saying, guys,
I didn't bring out my professional camera, Like, can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That I had to just use my iPhone?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Wasn't she claiming that she was doing it for awareness,
to make other young parents aware of this condition.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So the following day, she jumped on her stories and
decided to then share a video about for rebel sieges
and said the purpose of her post was to raise awareness.
She then followed up her selfie where she was looking
pretty pissed off and wrote, I think this photo says, oh,
don't fuck with me today.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'm not in the middle. I have to put it
out there. I do feel awful for her.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
In a family that this scary incident has happened. I
just question how appropriate it is to share this over
social media. It kind of reminds me of Sarah's Day.
I understand that Margot didn't post this in real time,
but Sarah's Day has previously posted issues about her son's
health in real time when he's in the hospital, and
I just think if if you really want to raise awareness,
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take a step back and bring this up in a
couple of weeks time when your child is hopefully feeling
better and you've gone through and grieved that situation.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Or maybe just keep it private because your kid.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Is not consenting to being photographed in their most vulnerable
position in hospital, strapped up to fucking machines. Like I
just I just think it's so wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's such a confronting site.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
There must be something in the water, because a second
mummy blogger did a very similar thing.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Her name is George Wolf and she is a thirty
two year old mum of four who lives in Queensland Now.
According to her Instagram bio, she loves self development, wellness
and also sells dance workout guides online.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Why that paints a picture.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I feel like those are the bios who are always
trolling people.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, but be kind Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
George has over one hundred thousand followers on Instagram and
her feet is full of photos and videos of her kids,
not to mention lots of paid partnerships with her kids
in the videos. Now. On Wednesday, she shared a health
update about her eight year old daughter on her Instagram story,
so she posted a photo of her daughter lying in
a hospital bed getting an ultrasound, with a caption outlining
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details of multiple surgeries to remove kidney stones. She also added,
my days have been dedicated to managing her pain and
holding a safe space for her to express her thoughts
and feelings that has come with this experience. I'm so
proud of her and the resilience she has shown. Tap
here to send her positive surgery vibes for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Wait, how old does this girl eight?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So, not only is she using this as an excuse
to say I have been by my daughter's side, give
me kudos, I've been looking after her, She's also then
trying to get further engagement on her stories by getting
people to tap the story for positive vibes. Well, what
makes it worse is after the post about her daughter
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being in hospital, she then shared a paid partnership post,
and her most recent grid post is a real promoting
kids panadol with her four kid. I can already see though,
there'll be some listeners who have children and they'll say,
I feel like these topics are Mum, shamey.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
What do you guys think it?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Can we criticize because, well, I did see someone in
our group share that they have actually been helping their
fourteen year old son share his health journey online, and
I think that's very different because at fourteen, you can
actually consent to having your private information shared online. But
when the kids are under sixteen, I think it is
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so wrong. I think we're also allowed to have our
personal feelings about something that we see as being quite vulgar.
To me, sharing photos of your children in very vulnerable
situations is gross and it's not something that I would
choose to ever do. I also don't understand why anyone
wants to watch this.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
This content makes me feel sick.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I do understand from the parent's perspective that it is
something that they have endured and gone through as well.
But I think there's a way of talking about it
where you can actually respect your child's privacy.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
At the same time, some of.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Them and they have lunch following and just those fake
ass people.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I know Ruby Tuesday Matthews has taken aim at fake
ass influences and I'm here for it. Earlier this week,
she attended a lunch to celebrate the launch of content
creator Hailey Anderson's collaboration with Status Anxiety.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Following the event, Ruby took to her Instagram story to
put some of the influencers in attendance on blast. So essentially,
she's helped us work out who are the assholes and
who are the nice girls of Instagram in her opinion.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Now, I found this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Very interesting because she said, it's actually the bikini girls
and those that you think are a little bit too much,
who are probably the nicest people out there. Alternatively, she
said the assholes are the ones who post esthetically pleasing photos,
who buy croissants and place them on tables with bunches
of daisies. She also added that the gym rats a
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faces and.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Also oh got the use of the word fuck faces,
So I got it. I can think of a few
people when she mentioned the whole Croisson photo shoot kind
of vibe. Yeah, it really paints a picture of the
type of influences.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So who do you think it is.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'm kind of guessing that the nice ones of people
like sky Wheatley that you go, oh, they're too much
in person.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I've heard she's really lovely.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, I did think that maybe she was referencing sky
Wheatly I was desperate to find out who was at
this event. Unfortunately, it's a little bit weird. The brand
hasn't posted any photos of it. Maybe they posted on
their stories back when it happened.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
All of the influencers are saying, please don't post he
was there.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, And also Hayley Anderson, who was collaborating with the event,
hasn't posted any photos, which is a little bit weird.
Maybe there was some big brawl or something for Ruby Tuesday.
Matthews to be so candid, and she seemed really revved
up about something. I did come across a photo of
Ruby at the event with a group of women including
Amy Gerard and Carlie McDonough as well as Fran High,
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So I'm assuming maybe they're off the hook if Ruby
was happy to pose for a photo with them. I
do also love this line from Ruby. She went on
to say that women need to support each other and
be kind and lead with love, and she finished by saying,
if you're a fake ass bitch, just don't come near me.
I don't have time for you, and don't pretend like
you care about my life. God.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Sounds like she was really burned at this event.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
She also gave a bit of an insight into what
it's like to be at an influencer event. So she
said that there are two types of influencers. There's the
ones that walk around filming themselves and taking photos of oysters,
which she did add she does like an oyster shop,
and then she said this about the other type.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
But then there's the other type that is like.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Just fucking living and up having a good time, supporting
the brand, you know, going where the party is.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And then there's.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Assholes who are just like in their little click, in
their little bit, go home and have bitch chat after,
and I know you, I know you.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I really respect the group who are actually there filming
content about the event, because there's nothing worse than inviting
a whole bunch of influencers and they're too cool for
school and don't even tag your brand or anything about
the event when they're there. After being at a few events,
in terms of events we've been filming at for our business,
I feel like I could have gone on a ranch
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like Ruby Tuesday, Matthew, because sometimes the people there you're
just like, are you for fucking particularly in Adelaide when
we don't actually have any proper influencers and they're so
rude egos in that room.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Well, Ruby did advise that brands who are looking to
invite influencers to an event look for people who radiate warmth,
who have a good energy. How are going to utilize
the free margaritas and food. She also added that she
usually takes a doggie bag home from influencer events.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I love that little fact. Who wouldn't want to?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, as long as it's not a tough container like
that other TikTok and yeah, I mean that's a little
bit too prepared.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
If it's kind of like, oh, this food is going
to go to waste, we'll take a little docu bag.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
This podcast was.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
We pay respect to elders past and present
Coming up on today's show, the two Australian mummy bloggers
using their kids hospital visits for content.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ruby Tuesday, Matthews takes aim.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
At fake US influences, the media reporting of Olivia Rodgers
breakup and the Melbourne Cup snub. Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbah and with the
festive season almost upon us, anticipation is setting in as
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we get set to discover our Spotify rap.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
For the year.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
However, many of us were left slightly alarmed when we
heard a new app called insta Rap would reveal who
we've been stalking the most.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I haven't heard this and I'm slightly alarmed.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah. Well, apparently the app can expose juicy stats such
as how many Instagram accounts took screenshots of your post,
how many accounts blocked you, and which account viewed your
profile the most. Surely this isn't actually a thing, because
obviously Instagram's not serving it up.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's an app. It kind of sounds a bit like
a scam.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I hope it's a scam because this would invade a
lot of people's privacy. I was just mentally thinking, Oh
my god, who have I stalked the most this year?
Because this is going to be so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Thank god for finsters. Oh that's what's going to ask
you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Can you immediately think of the person that is probably
in your Instagram app?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yes, that I would be appearing in.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I'm more thinking of all the influencers stuff that
I screenshot for research.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Suspicion did start growing when people began posting their Instagram
wraps online and the results didn't really make sense, but
they weren't adding up. People were saying, well, I don't
even know who this person is who's apparently viewing my
profile all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So people are actually.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Sharing it like this psycho has been looking at my style,
sharing it on their stories and also on TikTok. Now,
the app does ask users to submit their password and
use the name, so this is.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Where alarm they'll started ringing.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So one TikTok user said it should be called insta hack,
not insta rap because they believe it's a scam to
hack into a ton of Instagram accounts. And it's quite
alarming because this app has risen to the top of
the app store because so many people are curious as
to who's looking. What's alarming is we've established this as
clearly fake, but imagine that people's accounts that your name
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might be.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Popping up in and people thinking that it's legit.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I assume if you're signing up to this app, they're
probably just ripping your data and your photo and putting
on other people.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So some random Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
When I first heard about this app and heard that
it was called insta rap, I thought, oh, Instagram or
Meta must have a part to play in this, because
in recent years platforms like be Real and Apple Music,
they have jumped on the bandwagon like Spotify, and they've
been doing you know, gimmick similar where they'll give your
digital habits away to you. But when I heard that
this was a third party, I was thinking, well, how
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are they going to get any of these stats from Meta?
And Instagram don't want to give out that information because
no one would use Instagram. Yeah, because when you said it,
I thought it was going to be a rap of
who you've been stalking in the account so you mostly engage.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
With And I'm like, who the fuck would want to
share that well.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
A spokesperson for Meta told NBC News that the app
violates their policies and they've asked Apple to remove it
from the Apple Store and as of Tuesday, it's website,
server and IP address could no longer be found. So
it looks like we're going to be saved from this embarrassment.
And anyone who did download the app and put their
password in probably time to change your password.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Did you guys see that Instagram is apparently going to
take away the scene option, so when you got into
your messages, yeah, they're.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Going to take it away.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh thank god, because I used to be under the
illusion that if you checked a message and then highlighted
it and pressed unread, it would be unread to the person.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It took me a year to realize that that's not
the case.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
People are pissed off because they're saying from a dating perspective,
it is actually good to see if the guy or
girl your dating has seen the message, but it's also hurtful. Yeah,
but it should be something like you have on your
iPhone where you opt in for your messages to be
shown that you've read it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Who is opting in for that. I remember back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I'm like, who actually wants people to see immediately?
Speaker 3 (04:11):
See?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Sove has it on her phone. Yeah, I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I've set that up, God, because I always click people's
messages and then don't reply.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I actually like it. Oh sorry I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I like it because I can actually hold Zovie accountable.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I've got to somehow work out how to get that off.
I stumbled across.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
This TikToker who gives all of these tips about how
to make your photos look better.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And you can unclick it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So that it's not so high resolution, so it's a
bit like the older phones. And also you can click
a button so that your face isn't mirrored incorrectly, because
I was thinking, why does my face look so weird?
I've got a very angular face. I have a particular
face that I like to be on a certain angle,
and all my selfie is.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It kept flipping it the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I saw this and apparently what is it's actually showing
you is what your face actually I look like to
everyone else. But if you untick that option, then it's
showing you what you would see.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
In a mirror.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Well on that isn't snapchat just the most unflattering cameras.
Something there's something what is going on there?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Very dark and grainy because.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Every time I accidentally flick it on, I look so horrounded.
To be fair, they've got so many filters now, I
actually disagree. I think that with all the filters, people.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Look better on that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think it's just the shock when it comes on,
and it's always at a hideous angle.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, you're drinking and stop drinking. I should drink water.
It's a mixer, PERTSU.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
We have it with whiskey.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
On Wednesday, the Daily Mail broke the news that Olivia
Rodgers and Morgan Waterhouse have ended their relationship. Now, whilst
this was one of the worst kept secrets, many have
questioned the reliability of the source and the lengths publications
have gone to to break the news first. So if
it's been such an action packed week for Olivia, yeah,
that's right. She has been all over at my news
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feed this week because she's been attending countless events as
part of the Victorian Racing Carnival. Now, despite the way
that a lot of us feel about the races, Olivia
really has made horse racing part of her brand, and
many of us have been enjoying keeping up to date
with a lot of her stunning outfits. This year, she
is an ambassador for the OZ Childhood Foundation, which partners
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with the Victorian Racing Carnival. I found that an interesting
detail and quite clever, because you can't be too critical
of someone if they're doing something for charity. In saying that, though,
she has copped it online for attending the races. Yeah,
but I think that some people have also been in
her camp though, defending her decision to be an ambassador
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and also defending horse racing as a whole. There's a
certain type of influencer though that does promote the Melbourne Cup.
They always seem to be the more bougie like ex
private school stylish. We will actually be getting into the
Melbourne Cup controversies later in this episode, but getting back
to Olivia, she has been attending a lot of public
events this week where she's had to promote the cause
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to journalists, so she has had a very public facing
role and The Daily Mail seemed to take advantage of this.
They seem very excited to get a so called exclusive
scoop at the Melbourne Cup On Tuesday out about Olivia.
So a journalist by the name of Ali Deha round
headline exclusive Olivia Molly Rodgers confirm split from Morgan Waterhouse
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after seven months of dating, as they're spotted attending different
marquees at Melbourne Cup seven months they went together for
seven months. They announced they were in a relationship back
in March, so it has been a fair amount of time.
But word on the street is that they actually began
dating in December last year, so it's almost a year
long relationship. Wow, that has flown by it because it
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was not long after Olivia posted her Olivia Edit of
her wedding video that rumors started to turn. Now, going
back to this story, you would assume that maybe Olivia
or Morgan gave a quote to this journalist, but no,
so called scoop came from a Daily Mail photographer. So
in the article, the journalist claims that on Melbourne Cup day,
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Olivia told one of their photographers that she and Morgan
had broken up. So Ali wrote the former Miss Universe
Australia thirty one told photographers at the Melbourne Cup on
Tuesday that the pair broke off their relationship and they
have already gone their separate ways. I am sure that
they're first on the list for her to be sharing
this inforation with the journalists, then proceeded to quote her writing,
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were not together anymore? Not many people know that. This
is where I call bullshit, because anyone who was interested
in Olivia Rodgers knows that their relationship ended once they
got back from BALI. I know there was a photo
of Morgan at the marathon recently with Olivia, but I
could see that totally as friends. And the story continued
saying that Morgan was enjoying the luxury offerings at another marquee,
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which was one.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Hundred meters away from her.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
How awkward though that, Since when is Olivia mentioning in
passing to a photographer an official quote. I mean, I
have seen this headline everywhere I saw the Advertiser, Herald's Son,
all of the big papers have picked up on literally
her just saying to apparently a photographer that she and
he have split up. Look, as a journalist, it is
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so unethical to use a quote, firstly from someone when
they're not giving you an interview, because even if this
conversation did take place, this comment may have been said
off the record. Or perhaps when Olivia may have been drinking.
And for those who don't know, making a comment off
the record, it means that it's not made as an.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Official or attributable statement.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
But she's hardly gonna be like, hey, boys, just off
the record, I'm no longer with him. Like they were
probably just hassling her the whole time, and she probably said, oh,
we're not together. See the thing is I question whether
this comment was said at all. You guys one hundred
percent believed that she may have said this.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
She did.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
She said it in passing, But why would she Probably
because they kept asking her, where's Morgan?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Where's Morgan? She said we're no longer together.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, she's made it pretty obvious on Instagram without
saying it. Might not just announce it, Yeah, but she's
a announced it on her Instagram story without announcing it.
She's completely faded him out. Yeah, but there's been so
many questions marks particularly since he appeared in a photo
with her at the marathon, and I just think she
would be more savvy and more on guard when speaking
to a member of the media. She would want to
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control the narrative and put out her side of this.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
She's probably getting.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Drunk in a marquee at the races and said something offhand.
The reality is that when you work in the journalism world,
you have different contacts.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I would assume that Olivia.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Thought she was speaking off the record. She's not doing
an interview with a photographer. She probably just mentioned it briefly,
didn't think the photographer was going to repeat it. I
think in this case it's pretty unethical that this has
come out as the headline. What's interesting about this reporter,
Ali deha is he is quite controversial because he's been
called out by Megan Pistetto from The So Dramatic podcast
a number of times because she's accused him of claiming.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Her exclusives as his own.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And I actually remember this guy from back in the day,
probably like the early twenty tens, because he was a
serial celebrity hunter. He had a MySpace page and every
single person that came to Sydney Airport he was in photos.
It was like Zac Efron, Daniel Radcliffe, any celebrity you
can think of, this guy had a photo with. So
it's kind of funny that he's now become such a
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notorious Daily Mail reporter. Yeah. Look, I just find the
whole thing a bit gross because whilst Olivia has put
a relationship out there for judgment and also comment, I
think it's really unethical for a news publication like the
Daily Mail to break the news on an offhand comment.
And it's quite clear that this article was put out
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as a strategy to force Olivia to comment more on
the breakup, which then leads to further articles and further
clicks for the online media. Because I've heard from a
number of good sources that Olivia Rodgers' content sells and
it gets sight clicks, so in turn they make money
from it. But are we making too much of it?
Because Olivia used this relationship with Morgan as content, we
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saw the whole photo shooting bar for over a month.
I was surprised that she even made this relationship public
off the back of her divorce. The more I think
about it, though, could the plot twist be that this
is actually a stroke of pr genius from Olivia Rodgers
because maybe she didn't want to have to make a
big post and put it out there and say, oh,
it's another break up. Maybe she actually mentioned offhand to
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this journalist and he said, well, we're going to play
it this way.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It's still getting out. There is another breakup, and very publicly.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, but it's not her having to put the messaging
out there and make a big deal of it on
social media. Didn't she prefer to control the narrative.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I think she would.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I just think this is all PR for her. A
lot of people speculated whether this relationship with Morgan was
a PR relationship, and it seems like it kind of mighty.
I think it was a genuine relationship. It's obvious that
he was some sort of rebound and he feeled a
particular voice.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Why be so public about it?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Because even when she spoke on Life on Cut, she
said that she has this really bad habit of jumping
from relationship to relationships. She obviously struggles to be on
her own. And I suppose when you're going through a breakup,
perhaps your mental health is suffering and you just need
something or someone to make you happy. Interesting thing is,
will Morgan say anything? Because even after these articles have
come out, Olivia has remained tight lip. Well, they seem
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to be on good terms. They still seem to be
liking one another's pictures, so maybe it ended quite amicably. Well,
he does have his own podcasts. I listened to the
first episode.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And that was a struggle.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Maybe or have to do a bit more research and
see what he's been saying recently.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Take one for the team, Kate.
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Speaker 1 (14:22):
Car brands and influencers are continuing to distance themselves from
the Melbourne Cup. However, rather than publicly condemning the Cup,
they're playing it safe. So which big names have stepped away?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
This year Maya pulled the pin on its almost four
decade partnership with the Melbourne Cup. So the department store
had previously been sponsoring fashions on the field, so that
was a huge move now. The backtrack came after a
group called Collective Fashion Justice launched a targeted campaign against
Maya last year, calling on them to withdraw all funding
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from the racing industry. This pressure seems to have also
hit David Jones and Country Road because they no longer
appear to be promoting racing fashion instead, a lot of
brands are opting for the words spring events instead. I
have noticed this a lot over my social media that
I haven't been seeing the typical racing fashion being promoted. Yeah,
(15:15):
I think that's been happening for a while now now.
Kristen Lee, who is the convener of the Nut to
the Cup campaign, says whilst businesses are responding to the
mounting pressure, many brands are staying tight lipped about it.
So she says many businesses actually sought the campaign's advice
and hosted in house nup to the Cup events. However,
(15:35):
when she asked if she could thank them publicly for
the donations that they made, many requested not to be mentioned.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think that these.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Brands are trying to avoid any sort of drama or controversy,
and they don't want to be seen to be making
a political stance for one or the other. It is
a tough ass sometimes to expect brands to be political,
because essentially, if they don't align to a message that
their customers hold, then they're turning their back on those consumers.
(16:04):
So I do understand in a sense why brands are
very uneasy to do it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I wonder if've had anything.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
To do with some of the backlash that some of
the big brands and companies got after being involved in
the yes no vote, because there was a lot of
public backlash.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's safe to say that the Melbourne Cup is not
cool anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It hasn't been for so much.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I remember growing up though everyone wanted to be seen
at the Cup and it was all about what you
were wearing. But young people are going out of their
way to avoid it as much as they can, and
this is due to concern obviously over animal welfare, gambling,
and also spikes in domestic violence which can be brought
on by these types of events. A lot of people
also are feeling uncomfortable that we're going through a cost
(16:48):
of living crisis at the moment, and there's a lot
of emphasis put on this wealth inequity, so we're seeing
all of these rich people wearing expensive clothes to the
event when so many people are struggling. The Melbourne Cup
has always reminded me a bit of the Brownlow Metal,
where people actually enjoy the actual fashion more than the
(17:08):
event itself, the joke of it, because half the people
that are in attendance in terms of influencers, probably don't
give a shit about the horse racing. They just wanted
an excuse to dress up, have a drink and party
with the marquees.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah well.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Claire Winterborne from influencer agency Born Bread Talent, she said
that some influencers that she works with flat out refuse
to be associated with the Cup, and those who do
end up attending have safeguards in place so that they
don't end up being visually associated with the event, so
I assume that many are saying that photographers aren't allowed
to take snaps of them there they don't want to
(17:42):
be in any promotional marketing content. I wonder if the
influencers who have attended have been paid more to attend,
because as you said, it's obviously quite difficult to get
people to the event.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
They must be offering up big boy.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I found it quite telling that Love Ireland's Gemma Owen
was flown from the UK to be one of Victorian
Racing Carnival's main ambassadors, because it's safe to say that
many of the local celebs or influencers who have her
large platform wouldn't want to be seen dead associated with this.
She's involved in the equestrian world, so I wonder if
they tried to tie that in. Most the brand alignment
(18:18):
is spot on because, as you said, Amy, when she
appeared on Love Island, she spoke a lot about being
an international dressage rider and she lives and breathes horses.
She's also the daughter of international soccer star Michael Owen,
so she has a massive platform and following. Was anyone
shocked to see the combination of Beck Judd and Tammy Hembro.
(18:38):
So there was a photo of them from Derby Day
and it blew my mind. I was like what, but
I actually had to cast.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
My mind back.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Beck Judd was recently in a photo with Sophie Guidolin.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh that's weird.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, I feel like you're gonna trigger a lot of
people because some people say Derby, some people say Derby Day.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, what did I say? He said Derby? I think
that's an adelaide.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We did, of course, cop some heat for being at
the event. One commenter said I'd be embarrassed to show
photos of myself celebrating horse racing. Haven't we got to
the stage now that using horses and animals to provide
entertainment for humans is outdated?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Well, they do have a point.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Just to wrap this up, going back to Gemma, I
love that she got the memo and had styled by
Bloom dressing her. Even though she's from the UK, she
knows he's the hottest stylist of the moment.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's probably organized for her. Oh what want somebody please think?
Other children?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Two Australian mummy bloggers have caused controversy this week by
sharing their children's hospital visits online. The backlash was immediate,
with followers disgusted by the invasion of the children's privacy.
Now the first mummy blogger in question is Margo Follis,
and she goes by the handle The French Folk, as
the name suggests. She and her husband Lucas are French,
(19:54):
but they now live in Australia with their three young children,
and Margo owns a kid's clothing line and also herself
in her Instagram bio as an interior designer and photographer.
Now Earlier this week, she shared a grid post updating
her followers about her daughter's medical emergency. Now she didn't
post one. She posted seven black and white photos of
(20:15):
her young daughter in hospital, including pictures of her toddlet
being worked on by three medical professionals. It was really
distressing because the poor young girl had an oxygen mask
on and she had all these chords connected to different machines. Look,
I have never been in a situation where a medical
emergencies happened and I thought I'm going to whack out
my phone and take a couple of snaps. That's just
(20:38):
never occurred to me as something to do. I can
imagine taking photos to update family members every year.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Okay, on, excuse me, just a resac? Can I get
a TikTok?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What about the privacy of these medical professionals who were
being shared all over her instagrams? Well, Margo did go
on to reveal that her daughter had suffered a farabel seizure,
and she shared extent details about what led up to
the hospital trip as well as the hospital visit. I'll
just put a trigger warning these details are quite confronting.
So Margo spoke about how her daughter became unresponsive, floppy,
(21:11):
and began convulsing. She then detailed how she didn't think
to call an ambulance, but jumped in the cart with
her other kids and sped to the hospital and while
all of this was happening, her daughter began frothing and
her lips turned blue. The good news is Margo's daughter
is okay and back at home and they are now
awaiting results to find out if she has RSV. The
(21:33):
backlash from Margo's post was instant. Many people were questioning
whether she had permission from hospital staff to post their faces,
and that's a very fair question. Can you imagine doing
your job at a hospital will be extremely stressful and
then popping up in the background of some influencer's photo. Yeah,
it just adds another layer of stress to the situation. Now,
one person wrote online and yet you had time to
(21:55):
take photos and post on social media. Horrible experience, But
that just seems eq to me. And that comment received
eighty seven likes, and again I completely agree with this.
I don't have children of my own, so I'm going
to annoy people and compare my dogs to them. Whenever
I have to take my dog to the event for
an emergency situation like Sonny eating my sports bra, I
am so panicked and nervous that I don't even want
(22:17):
to jinx the situation by taking any sort of photo
and posting it. I just feel like it is so
attention so performative, Like why would you want to remember
that moment? Anyway? Do you think though, that some people
might share stuff as a way of kind of dealing
with this situation, because I would never ever think to
share this. But I do have people on Facebook that
(22:40):
I would never think would overshare like this that actually do,
and they're really good people. Yeah, but because they feel
like they don't have any control, so they have control
over photographing of that mate, it's kind of like more
that they overshare about their children, and it's in a
way because maybe they don't have other people to talk
to you directly. I think you're thinking about boomers that
(23:01):
don't know social media etiquette. This woman is an influencer,
and to me it comes across that she is using
her kids for content, but also exactly so, she is
sharing this to a huge community of people who don't
actually know her or her children.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, and she's.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Sometimes different on Facebook when you've got actually a core
group of people that know you. And she also added
a million hashtags to this post, so it was quite
clear that she was trying to drive engagement and get
as many people seeing it as possible. Hashtag insensitive hashtag,
should put my hashtag vulgar.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Someone actually wrote to her kids are not content taking
a picture of your child during a terrifying and vulnerable moment,
posting to social media and then using a million hashtags?
Do your children not deserve any privacy? Unfollowing immediately we want.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Privacy now now.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Margo actually replied to this comment, writing totally fine with it, babe.
Your life will be much better without my disgusting.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Content in it.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, she really wasn't having any of it. She also
jumped on her stories to share her frustration. She shared
screenshots of people accusing her of having a photo shoot
in hospital and wrote, some people on this platform, honestly
I hate them. Obviously English isn't my first language, but
I mean photoshoot. I don't think we have the same
definition of a photo shoot. And it's only black and
(24:16):
white to actually make the photo look less graphic. There
is no fucking filter. I think idea, If the photo's graphic,
why don't you just not post it? Well, I think
people were accusing her of doing a photoshoot because she
actually is a photographer, and she kind of continued to
dig a hole for herself. So she proceeded to share
a screenshot of all of the photos that she had
taken in her gallery, and there were just so many
(24:38):
of them, and she wrote, this is my camera role.
I see only candid photo switched to black and white.
You know what, I never posted photos taken with my phone,
so it's the first time. So yeah, photoshoot my ass.
She ended up then putting the rude finger emoji. She
then signed off from Facebook and.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Explained that Instagram.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
She then signed off from Instagram and explain that she
had blurred the medical professionals faces but accidentally uploaded the
wrong ones. Is is she trying to defend herself by saying, guys,
I didn't bring out my professional camera, Like, can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That I had to just use my iPhone?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Wasn't she claiming that she was doing it for awareness,
to make other young parents aware of this condition.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So the following day, she jumped on her stories and
decided to then share a video about for rebel sieges
and said the purpose of her post was to raise awareness.
She then followed up her selfie where she was looking
pretty pissed off and wrote, I think this photo says, oh,
don't fuck with me today.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'm not in the middle. I have to put it
out there. I do feel awful for her.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
In a family that this scary incident has happened. I
just question how appropriate it is to share this over
social media. It kind of reminds me of Sarah's Day.
I understand that Margot didn't post this in real time,
but Sarah's Day has previously posted issues about her son's
health in real time when he's in the hospital, and
I just think if if you really want to raise awareness,
(26:01):
take a step back and bring this up in a
couple of weeks time when your child is hopefully feeling
better and you've gone through and grieved that situation.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Or maybe just keep it private because your kid.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Is not consenting to being photographed in their most vulnerable
position in hospital, strapped up to fucking machines. Like I
just I just think it's so wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It's such a confronting site.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
There must be something in the water, because a second
mummy blogger did a very similar thing.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Her name is George Wolf and she is a thirty
two year old mum of four who lives in Queensland Now.
According to her Instagram bio, she loves self development, wellness
and also sells dance workout guides online.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Why that paints a picture.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I feel like those are the bios who are always
trolling people.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, but be kind Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Well.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
George has over one hundred thousand followers on Instagram and
her feet is full of photos and videos of her kids,
not to mention lots of paid partnerships with her kids
in the videos. Now. On Wednesday, she shared a health
update about her eight year old daughter on her Instagram story,
so she posted a photo of her daughter lying in
a hospital bed getting an ultrasound, with a caption outlining
(27:08):
details of multiple surgeries to remove kidney stones. She also added,
my days have been dedicated to managing her pain and
holding a safe space for her to express her thoughts
and feelings that has come with this experience. I'm so
proud of her and the resilience she has shown. Tap
here to send her positive surgery vibes for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Wait, how old does this girl eight?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So, not only is she using this as an excuse
to say I have been by my daughter's side, give
me kudos, I've been looking after her, She's also then
trying to get further engagement on her stories by getting
people to tap the story for positive vibes. Well, what
makes it worse is after the post about her daughter
(27:50):
being in hospital, she then shared a paid partnership post,
and her most recent grid post is a real promoting
kids panadol with her four kid. I can already see though,
there'll be some listeners who have children and they'll say,
I feel like these topics are Mum, shamey.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
What do you guys think it?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Can we criticize because, well, I did see someone in
our group share that they have actually been helping their
fourteen year old son share his health journey online, and
I think that's very different because at fourteen, you can
actually consent to having your private information shared online. But
when the kids are under sixteen, I think it is
(28:30):
so wrong. I think we're also allowed to have our
personal feelings about something that we see as being quite vulgar.
To me, sharing photos of your children in very vulnerable
situations is gross and it's not something that I would
choose to ever do. I also don't understand why anyone
wants to watch this.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
This content makes me feel sick.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I do understand from the parent's perspective that it is
something that they have endured and gone through as well.
But I think there's a way of talking about it
where you can actually respect your child's privacy.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
At the same time, some of.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Them and they have lunch following and just those fake
ass people.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I know Ruby Tuesday Matthews has taken aim at fake
ass influences and I'm here for it. Earlier this week,
she attended a lunch to celebrate the launch of content
creator Hailey Anderson's collaboration with Status Anxiety.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Following the event, Ruby took to her Instagram story to
put some of the influencers in attendance on blast. So essentially,
she's helped us work out who are the assholes and
who are the nice girls of Instagram in her opinion.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Now, I found this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Very interesting because she said, it's actually the bikini girls
and those that you think are a little bit too much,
who are probably the nicest people out there. Alternatively, she
said the assholes are the ones who post esthetically pleasing photos,
who buy croissants and place them on tables with bunches
of daisies. She also added that the gym rats a
(30:00):
faces and.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Also oh got the use of the word fuck faces,
So I got it. I can think of a few
people when she mentioned the whole Croisson photo shoot kind
of vibe. Yeah, it really paints a picture of the
type of influences.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So who do you think it is.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'm kind of guessing that the nice ones of people
like sky Wheatley that you go, oh, they're too much
in person.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I've heard she's really lovely.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, I did think that maybe she was referencing sky
Wheatly I was desperate to find out who was at
this event. Unfortunately, it's a little bit weird. The brand
hasn't posted any photos of it. Maybe they posted on
their stories back when it happened.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
All of the influencers are saying, please don't post he
was there.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, And also Hayley Anderson, who was collaborating with the event,
hasn't posted any photos, which is a little bit weird.
Maybe there was some big brawl or something for Ruby Tuesday.
Matthews to be so candid, and she seemed really revved
up about something. I did come across a photo of
Ruby at the event with a group of women including
Amy Gerard and Carlie McDonough as well as Fran High,
(31:00):
So I'm assuming maybe they're off the hook if Ruby
was happy to pose for a photo with them. I
do also love this line from Ruby. She went on
to say that women need to support each other and
be kind and lead with love, and she finished by saying,
if you're a fake ass bitch, just don't come near me.
I don't have time for you, and don't pretend like
you care about my life. God.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Sounds like she was really burned at this event.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
She also gave a bit of an insight into what
it's like to be at an influencer event. So she
said that there are two types of influencers. There's the
ones that walk around filming themselves and taking photos of oysters,
which she did add she does like an oyster shop,
and then she said this about the other type.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
But then there's the other type that is like.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Just fucking living and up having a good time, supporting
the brand, you know, going where the party is.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And then there's.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Assholes who are just like in their little click, in
their little bit, go home and have bitch chat after,
and I know you, I know you.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I really respect the group who are actually there filming
content about the event, because there's nothing worse than inviting
a whole bunch of influencers and they're too cool for
school and don't even tag your brand or anything about
the event when they're there. After being at a few events,
in terms of events we've been filming at for our business,
I feel like I could have gone on a ranch
(32:27):
like Ruby Tuesday, Matthew, because sometimes the people there you're
just like, are you for fucking particularly in Adelaide when
we don't actually have any proper influencers and they're so
rude egos in that room.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Well, Ruby did advise that brands who are looking to
invite influencers to an event look for people who radiate warmth,
who have a good energy. How are going to utilize
the free margaritas and food. She also added that she
usually takes a doggie bag home from influencer events.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I love that little fact. Who wouldn't want to?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, as long as it's not a tough container like
that other TikTok and yeah, I mean that's a little
bit too prepared.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
If it's kind of like, oh, this food is going
to go to waste, we'll take a little docu bag.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, I think that is all we have time for today.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
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