October 13, 2025 • 31 mins
Skye Wheatley has opened up about her much publicised break up from baby daddy, Lachy Waugh. The former Big Brother contestant has backtracked, describing the situation as ‘relationship limbo’ and admitting they plan to work things out.
Matt Zukowski has been spotted with a potential new flame in Adelaide, just months after announcing his divorce to Tammy Hembrow.
And Mitch Orval and Chloe Szep are returning to YouTube.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Sky Wheatley
and Lockie War's relationship, Limbo and Matt Sakowski spotted with
a new flame in Adelaide. But first, Mitch Orville and
Chloe Zepp are making a return to YouTube. Kay, I'm
(00:23):
very excited about this announcement. So last week Mitch posed
the question to his Instagram followers whether he should make
a return to YouTube, and it's all coming off the
back of his sons wanting to be a part of
the channel. So he wrote, me and Chloe stopped doing
YouTube because we didn't think it was fair to make
that decision on behalf of our kids at an early
age should document their life online. Fast forward three to
(00:45):
four years, and the boys, especially Artie, love outdoor adventure
YouTube channels aka Brodie Moss. I feel like all the
kids love a bit of Brodie Moss. Yeah. I think
Indy Clinton's son is a big fan too, so is
Sarah's day Sun Fox. Yeah. So Mitch said that now
now he wants to do what mum and dad did
full circle moment. Should we fire up the family YouTube
channel again? But make it outdoor and adventure now. The
(01:08):
following morning, Mitch mocked up his face on Russell Koit's
body and wrote, the YouTube is coming back. Stay tuned.
He then shared a screenshot of insights from his original
story that showed ninety three point seven thousand people had
viewed it and over five thousand people had liked it,
eight hundred and seventy five people had replied, and one
hundred and thirty three had shared it. So I think
(01:30):
that is a big Yes. We want to see Mitch
and Chloe back on YouTube, but I want to see
them back family logging. I don't necessarily want to see
them sharing their outdoor adventures. I want to hear about
their life. I bit. My husband loves Brodie Moss. He
is a massive fan. Occasionally I will watch the videos
with him. But I think that Mitch and Chloe's audience
is built on a lot of young women who prefer
(01:51):
to hear about their life and perhaps their family life,
as opposed to seeing them go on these outdoorsy adventures.
When you consider that Mitch and Chloe shut down the
YouTube channel because they didn't think it was fair to
make that decision on their son's behalf. But now when
they're four and five, they're like, oh, yeah, they approve.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Sort of is a little bit murky, because really, how
much weight can you put on the consent of a
four and five year old saying that they want to
be on YouTube? They don't really understand what that means.
I think because this is going to be a totally
different genre of content, they perhaps feel more comfortable because
it's not going to be specifically about the children's lives
and the tantrums that they're having and go too much
into their personal details. Yes, there are still issues around
(02:28):
their children's faces being splashed online and privacy and that
sort of thing, but maybe they're going to be very
careful with what they share. It'll be interesting to see
what they end up sharing on YouTube. Over the weekend,
it seemed like they may have been filming, because Mitch
shared that he and his sons were out fishing, So
maybe that's the first adventure that we're going to see.
It's interesting to consider how long Mitch and Chloe have
(02:50):
actually been offline, because the last video Chloe shared on
her individual channel was back in November twenty nineteen, so
that was, of course before the pandemic. She did feature though,
on the couple's joint YouTube channel called Chloe and Mitch,
So they started that channel back in twenty seventeen, and
they stopped posting on YouTube in October twenty twenty one.
(03:12):
I remember there was always this rumor that Chloe sang
their YouTube's theme song. Yeah, everyone just for some reason
they envisioned her in their head when they heard it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean at that point when they had the couple's channel,
Mitch had pretty much taken over and you could tell
that Chloe was not interested in being involved. It was
amid a lot of breakup rumors as well, and the
last video Mitch posted was actually called what I Do
in a Day with Artie. I actually think that this
is a stroke of genius. It's clear that Mitch is
going for a different type of audience. In this case,
(03:44):
it will likely be young dads and their kids watching it,
and I think that it's going to lead to a
lot less scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean if it was Chloe's eep starting a mummy
vlogging channel, it would be very different. Yeah, Yeah, this
is he.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
This is where I'm at in life.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Matzakowski has been spotted with a potential new flame in Adelaide,
just months after announcing his divorce to Tammy hanbro Kay,
this one is close to home for us? Can you
tell us more?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, for those listeners who aren't aware, we live in Adelaide.
So when these photos emerged online via Influencer Updates, aus like,
hang on, I recognized that spot and I was like,
imagine if we had run into them. Well, originally Influencer
Updates was posting that it was in fact in Melbourne,
which made sense because that is where Matt is from.
But yeah, this new woman is an Adelaide girl. We
(04:30):
love an Adelaide girl. Yeah. So her name is Emily Lawson.
She isn't a public figure herself, but she has around
nine thousand followers on Instagram and six thousand on TikTok
and it was Emily who hard launched the relationship on
her Instagram story. So she posted a mirror selfie of
her and Matt in front of what looked like a
hotel lift. She also documented their night out together, which
(04:50):
included dinner at Pastel Winebar on O'Connell Street. It looked
like a very romantic night, which finished up with watching
fireworks over the Adelaide CBD. Matt Sakowski and up sharing
vision from the fireworks later on so confirm that he
was there with Emily watching it. It can't help but
feel proud that Adelaide has been pulled into this Tammy
Hembro Matzakowski story and they made it look like a
(05:12):
cool place to go out. Well, it is a cool
place to be well. Matt Szakowski also looked incredibly tall
in this photo with Emily. I don't know if Emily
is short, but he looked massive and I have to
say very good looking as well.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
He is six foot five, so I think he's going
to make most women look short now. As we mentioned
at the start, it didn't take long for one of
Emily's followers to give Influencer Updates Au the tip off.
So Amber broke the news on her account on Sunday morning,
and a few of Emily's friends were very excited by
her feature on the page and tagged her saying that's
our girl. It seems to me like Emily wanted this
(05:46):
information out there. I wonder if Matt didn't want the
news out there though, because he's been getting quite a
good rap lately. By I don't want to say playing
the role, because I'm not saying he's putting it on,
but by assuming the role of the guy who seems
bummed out by the divorce. You know, we heard that
Tammy Hembro moved on very quickly with Bailey Smith, and
you could tell on Matt's podcast that he seemed quite
(06:07):
sad and down in the dumps about it. But now
it's like, well he's moved on pretty fast too. Yeah.
So I think if Tammy hadn't have gone public with
Bailey Smith, this would be playing out very differently. Yeah,
he'd be a bit of villain. Yeah. Now, in terms
of what we know about Emily, she is twenty four,
which funnily enough is the same age as Bailey Smith,
so they've both moved on with younger counterparts, younger blondes.
(06:30):
I have to say she has a striking resemblance to
Tammy Hembro. She has the same bleach blonde hair and
let's say similar body shame. Yeah, they both got great bodies.
I had a thorough look of Instagram page for research purposes,
of course, and we had a couple of mutual friends
in there, but no one that I'm close enough with
to be like, oh hey, what's the scoop. Well, for
those who don't know, people say that Adelaide is like
(06:52):
a big country town where everyone knows one another. That
being said, there is a twelve year age difference between
us and Emily, so I'm not surprised that we don't
have heaps of friends in common from having a deeper look. Though,
she did work on a Walt Disney cruise ship, so
she's been living her best life. Yeah, it seems like
she's also gone through her own difficult breakup this time
last year. So in September she posted tips of things
(07:15):
that helped her deal after dating a narcissist. And I
found that very interesting because Matt has spoken on his
podcast before about navigating narcissistic relationships. At the time, we
suggested that it seemed like it was a bit of
a dig at his relationship with Tammy, So I wonder
if that's been a bit of a topic of conversation. Again,
not saying that Tammy is a narcissist. I think after
(07:37):
you go through a toxic relationship and a breakup. A
lot of people label their exes as narcissist. I mean,
people don't seem to understand that you actually have to
be diagnosed as a narcissist by a psychiatrist. Like, it's
not as common as you think, and it's different to
have narcissistic tendencies than actually being a full blown narcissist.
Just to get more of an overview of Emily's personality
(08:00):
luckily for us, she recently got involved in the Unfortunately
I Love trend on TikTok, so she shared that unfortunately
she loves being wine drunk, blocking people, ignoring men, over sharing,
that's great, taking a million photos, only having hot friends,
and being hot. I don't feel about the last two.
There's a bit of be nice. A stick qual is
(08:21):
that it kind of reminded me of Regina George on
Me and Girls. I mean, I'm sure it's a bit
of a joke. I am assuming that Matt and Emily
must have met on Raya, because how else are they
crossing paths? Yeah, it seems like a pretty common thing
on that app. So for those not familiar with Raya,
it is sort of coined as the dating app for celebrities,
but let's face it, it's a lot of Z grade celebrities.
And then people say celebrities, I think it's just a
(08:44):
lot of people who either have a fake following or
they just get the code from their friends. Yeah, so
I'm guessing that Emily because she has around nine thousand
followers on Instagram, maybe she's got on through that. I
don't know. Yeah, Well, Tammy is yet to comment on
her husband moving on. I don't really think that she
is in a position to do so, considering she was
(09:05):
very fast to move on with Bailey Smith herself. Yeah,
before this news broke, though, Tammy hinted on her tiktop
that she was dealing with some stressful things at the moment,
so she filmed to get Ready video with me before
attending White Fox Boutique's twelfth birthday dinner. Let's take a
listen to some of what she said.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I have so much coming up, but I have so
much to be grateful for. I do have, like some
other stressful things that I'm dealing with, dealing with that,
right forgetting how to speak English. I had like four
hours sleep last night.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
I have so much to be grateful for. And so
much to be happy about and excited about. And then
on the other hand, I have like all these stresses.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Tammy went on to reveal that she did three podcast
interviews last week and she was nervous about what she said.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Some of them. I'm like, literally, what did I say?
Like at the end of the day, I don't want
to like upset anyone, like I just want I.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Just want to be.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I don't want like drama. I don't want to hurt
anyone's feeling someone upset anyone. But yeah, I don't know
what I said. Guys, I got deep and I got personal.
I am a little nervous though, because I don't usually
say yes to things like that, Like I don't know,
but I actually enjoyed it, and you know what, it'll
be fine.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I really hope she has opened up more so than
she did on No Filter, which is MEA. Friedman's podcast
poured me at She's a fantastic interviewer, but she was
absolutely pulling at teeth to get any sort of answers
from her. But maybe now she's going through this breakup,
It's just like word vulnerable diarrhea. I've got to say,
I was pretty cut when I was listening to this
because just a bit of inside information for pulling back
(10:40):
the curtain here. Yeah, we actually locked in an interview
with Tammy Hembro and her sisters that would have aired
this week, but last minute, you know, you can put
timelines together, it got cut and putting it out there.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That was an.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Opportunity that came to us. We didn't go out seeking that. Initially,
I was surprised that they would consider appearing on our podcast,
but then when I thought about it, well, we have
such an engaged audience who cares about Tammy and her life.
I mean, it would have been an amazing opportunity for
her and also for us because I would have loved
to sit down with her and been like, Okay, it's
time to set the records straight, like tell us what
(11:15):
you actually think about all of these things that we've
covered before. Unfortunately that fell through right at the end,
so it is disappointing. I'm interested to see what podcast
she has appeared on. One podcast that I know of
is jar Day Tunci and Locky Bricky's podcast called Mad
About You. She's a safe choice because obviously jar Day
being a fellow influencer. They're not really going to go
(11:37):
too hard on her, are they. She may tell jar
Day a bit though, because I've listened to their podcast
before and jar Day and Lockie are really friendly. They
come across as really likable, and maybe it just, you know,
for Tammy, she might have felt like she was talking
to friends. Yeah, well that's true. They probably will get
the scoop with the softly softly approach. I'm wondering if
she'll also be on Life Uncut. Oh, one hundred percent.
(11:58):
I definitely think that she'll be on there. Do you
think maybe the other one I thought of was something
to talk about by Stellar Magazine, maybe all the sisters
were here. Yeah, we'll probably see a spread that would
be some good promo for their supplements company. Well, it's
clear that one of the podcast interviews involves her and
her sisters Emily and Amy, because they filmed themselves on
Snapchat and also on TikTok, sitting at like a recording
(12:21):
studio on a couch and judging by a TikTok. Tammy shared,
I think that Emily and Amy probably went a bit
rogue about Matt during one of the interviews, because Tammy
has said how worried she is about what got said. Well,
they've got prior for it as well, and it seems
like after that interview, you know when you're in a
bit of a high for ragging on someone, because Tammy's
(12:43):
then let that spill across onto her TikTok. So she
filmed a video where she panned across to her sisters
and she wrote I may have let go, but my
sisters will hate you forever, with a trending sound that said,
sources confirm your vibe was weird and yes everyone found.
Someone did comment under that I fear amy the most,
to which Emily responded me to with the covering eyes emoji. Well,
(13:06):
Matt's also been making reference to the divorce on his
own podcast, so he recently spoke with Anna McAvoy about
the Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban divorce announcement, and they
basically were pointing out that when a divorce announcement happens,
the blame is often unfairly put on the man. And
there was also a reference to the fact that Matthew
McConaughey's parents got divorced and remarried three times, and matt
(13:28):
said that definitely wouldn't be happening. In his case, it
was a bit of a change of pace to have
Matt and Anna McAvoy dissecting the headlines, like they've introduced
this new second episode of the Week, and I was
like wow, because they dissected Taylor Swift's album, and I'm like,
you clearly couldn't find two people that were less interested
in the release. I actually felt dumber listening to it,
(13:49):
and I don't know that sounds terrible, but it was quite
clear that their producer had put together a few key
points and they sort of had to ramble through the
dot points, and it was clear that they knew nothing
about it. There was no research really done. I would
rather than just talk about their personal lives because I
do enjoy tuning in, but I don't really want to
hear their take on celebrity gossip, particularly if they're not
actually interested in it.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I think that it seems like an easy thing to do,
but it's actually not, particularly when you have podcasts like
Shameless that do such a good job of it. It's
like you can't compete in that space. People just want
to hear your advice on dating and your relationship, like
that's what your podcast is. I understand people can branch out,
but it's sort of a very competitive industry. And yeah,
(14:30):
it just because I listened to a lot of pop
culture podcasts. It just the comparison was quite glaring. I
have to admit I do tune in every week, and
while my motivation mostly is to get content for this
podcast and be across what's happening in the Tammy Hembro
Matsakowski sphere, I do enjoy it. Like it said, easy listen.
And on Tuesday I had to laugh to myself because
(14:52):
Matt revealed that he's been recycling plastic bottles and cans
from his office in a bid to save up for
a trip to Europe. And I thought that was very
brave of him to talk about because it made it
seem like he has a lot of financial stresses going on,
and it was in complete contrast to Tammy Hembro's life
where she's worth fifty million dollars. Let's take a listen
to what he said.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
You know how now they do the ten cents for
cans and bottles. Yeah, this is he This is where
I'm at in life. This is where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So for those unaware. Matt does a nine to five
job alongside his podcast and influencing career. So he is
a project manager for his dad's pool company. And he
told Anna macavoid that their office manager decided it was
cheaper to purchase slabs of bottled water rather than getting
a water fountain fitted in the office, and he decided
he would collect the bottles and cash them in to
(15:39):
make some extra money. Let's take a listen to more
of what he said.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
So I go around with a bag and I like
shake it for everyone and they put their bottles in there,
and I say, thanks, guys, you're paying for a Europe trip.
Blah blah blah. So I have four big garbage bags
of like plastic bottles and cans that I collected from
the office. Right people in the office are getting annoyed.
They're like, you can't just leave him here blah bah us.
I was like, cry, so him into the place. Have
you been there before?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Now I don't even know what this place is.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Explain that.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So it's like a recycle plan. I had to google
it where it was. And you like and they pay you, Yeah,
they give you ten cents for each bottle.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You didn't need to collect a load of bottles if
you're going to Europe.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Matt did leave very disappointed because he thought that four
bags of plastic bottles would get him around four hundred dollars,
but it ended up just being ninety, and he said
that it wasn't worth the effort. I was pretty shocked
when I heard Anna macav always say that she didn't
know you could cash in your bottles and cans for
ten cents. It turns out, though, that the container deposit
scheme has only been a place in Victoria since twenty
(16:38):
twenty three. Oh really, I didn't know that it wasn't
in place in Melbourne because as kids, I remember we
were swapping cans and bottles. That must have been in
place for a lot longer in South Australia. So in
South Australia we've had it in place since nineteen seventy seven,
and the other states have also had it in place
for a fairly long time. It's just been Victoria who
haven't had it. That kind of gives a bit more
context to Matt's story, is perhaps why he's so excited
(17:00):
to collect the cans. Yeah, and it's more of a novelty.
It's a bit of a letdown for him though, because
this time last year he was getting set to marry
a woman worth fifty plus million dollars and now he's
having to scrounge around for cans to fund this Europe trip.
To be fair to Matt, it is a noble thing
to do in the sense that it's good for the planet.
And who couldn't use a bit of extra cash. I mean,
we have a recycling bin at our house that we
(17:20):
put all our cans and bottles in. We take them
down to the depot. Look, he's becoming one of the people,
isn't he on other people? He's exchanging cans for money
and dating an Adelaide girl.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So there has been a lot going on with me
and lots of headlines that will address today too.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Sky Wheatley has opened up about her much publicized breakup
from baby Daddy. Lucky war The former Bi Brother contestant,
has backtracked, describing the situation as relationship limbo and admitted
they plan to work things out. So if this has
come as a surprise to her followers, there's only a
few weeks ago. She confirmed the split on her Instagram
Live Yeah, and what a memorable Instagram live. It was
(17:57):
she was holidaying at an airbnb on the Sunshine Coast
with her two kids when she broke the news to
her followers. Now. In the live, she confirmed that the
couple had broken up, and even responded to a follower
who asked if Locke had cheated on her, saying, I
don't know maybe. She also confirmed in that live that
she and Locke would still be finishing off their extensive
(18:18):
renovations together, which they have been documenting for the past
six years now. Ski was acting quite erradically during that live,
so much so that some of her followers were convinced
that she was intoxicated, but she later confirmed in the
comment section that she was in fact sober whilst filming
that live. Well, I'm glad that she clarified what was
(18:40):
going on now. A few days on from this breakup announcement,
Locke was spotted in the background of one of Sky's
friends Instagram stories now. In the photo, Sky and her
friend were choosing beers at her home, while Lockey was
in the background, also holding a beer. This led followers
to speculate that perhaps they were working on things now.
Off the back of the spec Sky uploaded a podcast
(19:02):
called Let's Talk Past Breakups, and a lot of people
assume she would be talking about her situation with Lockie.
She briefly touched on the fact that they've gone through
a lot of breaks and that she had posed the
question recently to Lockie that could they go on a
break for six months and he said, well, we may
as well break up. But the majority of the episode
was actually about Sky's breakup with her boyfriend before Lockie
(19:26):
called Cam and also her co host Callum spoke a
lot about his breakups. Yeah. Well, I think that there
must have been a lot of listeners writing in saying, hey,
what's happening here? You've teased us that you're going to
talk about this breakup. What's going on? Because this week
she released an episode entitled Sky Addresses the Locky Breakup Rumors.
Now I want to provide some visual context because during
(19:48):
this podcast recording, Sky was randomly wearing a pink wig
and she said it was because it's Halloween month and
it fits into the spooky theme. Now I want to
address that because she does mention the wig in a
grab that we are going to play later on. I
was thrown by what she was wearing because she's come
out and said all these, you know, newsworthy things about
her breakup, and she didn't look like herself. Well is
it because when people go through a breakup, they change
(20:09):
their hair. I'm trying to do something dramatic now, off
the bat, I want to point out that I thought
it was pretty ridiculous that they were calling these breakup rumors.
It's a bit cheeky because the only person who fired
up these rumors was Sky herself, because she obviously jumped
in alive and flat out said that they'd broken up.
So they're not rumors. You confirmed the breakup. Well, I
suppose she was addressing rumors that were already out there
(20:32):
because she hadn't posted with Locki for quite some time.
But she's confirmed the rumor.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So anyway, she ended up telling her listeners that she
was going to address the rumor's head on, but from
there she lost me. It got very confusing because while
she did confirm that the breakup took place, she said
that she and Lockie are now just on a break
with the idea that they will work things out. Okay,
so let's have a listen to some of what she.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Said basically heard it here. First, there has been there
has been a breakup, but then like we've been co parenting,
and this is like the longest we've gone separated. Yes,
because normally we'll have like little breaks, you know, because
we've been there's been a lot on both our plates.
We're both stressed with work. We've got two young children,
(21:20):
trying to navigate two young boys, and a renovation, plus
our own businesses. Like, it's been very stressful, and I
think I think it's very hard to understand each other sometimes.
So yeah, we'll usually have little breaks so we can
just like you know, reset, and then we usually come
back with this. This has definitely been the longest co
(21:42):
parenting split slash break we've ever had. I think we
did get super close there to ending it and call
for real, for real like calling it quits, but maybe
I've raked out a little bit and I was like,
oh my god, I just don't know if I can
go through this right now.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So essentially, reading between the lines, it sounds like things
have been rocky for quite some time for the couple
and that they've been on a couple of breaks, but
maybe one of their recent arguments got so out of hand,
the Sky went public with it, and now she's having
to backtrack a bit. Well, she confirmed on the podcast
that she was the one who initiated the breakup and
said that she was the one who was pretty firm
(22:20):
and strong with keeping it that way. But since then
she's said she's had a full mental breakdown and freak
out over it. Yeah, because she said that the breakup
actually coincided with a falling out with a friend and
she didn't feel strong enough to go through both a
friendship bust up and also a breakup. So now she
and Locke have decided to try and work through it
and go to couples counseling. Well, it's not the first
(22:41):
time they've actually been to couples counseling. We have discussed
it on our podcast. I think it was like a
year or so ago. But basically, when Sky and Lockie
were trying to find a psychologist to help with their
son Forrest, the psychologist actually said, hearing you guys interact,
you guys need to go to a couple's count jumming
up some business with the psychologists there. Yeah, myself, Skuy
(23:03):
said she felt like that the counselor they spoke to
was always on Locky side, and then they found one
that was more neutral. But it seems like they've probably
not gone as much as they should have. I found
it quite difficult listening to that grab because it seems
like they're just trying to stay together for the sake
of the house and also their kids. But surely the
kids would be picking up on that negative tension, particularly
(23:25):
because she said that they're not really talking to each other.
I think they're putting a bit of a patch over
everything at the moment until the house has done. That's
what it sounds like. I want to get back to
her mention of a friendship bust up, because there has
been a lot of speculation that this friendship breakdown is
between her and her business partner, Tory So. Tory is
a fellow influencer and they run Good People Apparel together now. Originally,
(23:48):
when the breakup news broke, Tory appeared to throw shade
at Lockie So she wrote, when you're a girl's girl,
So now I've got more beef with her ex than
she ever did. The post continued, saying he really thought
he could talk to her crazy but forgot her besties
from the West and I don't let shit slide. She
then hashtagged it break up humor Now. Sky replied to
(24:09):
the video, writing that's my girl. So I don't know
what has gone down since because they have now unfollowed
each other on socials, So I don't know what this
means for the future of their clothing brand. I mean,
it's really sad because they've been friends for a long time.
Not good timing. Now back to the breakup. During the
podcast interview, Callum started talking about how the media has
(24:30):
really blown everything out of proportion and he couldn't believe
the reaction to the Instagram stories that Locke shared of
him burning boxes on the couple's property. Now, these stories
were shot from Locke's perspective at nighttime, so he was
at their property and in the vision, he was drinking
whilst walking through the empty house and he stopped at
the kitchen where there were a ton of boxes stacked up.
(24:51):
In the next Instagram story, he was then outside dramatically
setting fire to another lot of boxes. And at the
time it was quite confusing because there was no context
as to what was in the boxes, and he was
blaring a love song in the background. So many people
wondered whether the Sky's possessions were in those boxes, because
it came off the back of her essentially accusing him
(25:13):
of cheating on her in her Instagram live, whilst a
lot of other people said, Oh, it looks like he's
just doing a bit of a routine burnoff. We burn
rubbish on our property from time to time. But let's
have a listen to what Callum said.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But like the media blows everything out of proportion. Oh
my god, there was a vigil of Lockie, like putting
some cardboard on fire, you'ls some paper on fire, and
all of a sudden, like the worlds ending and there's
like a full breakup and all this, and like they've
probably just got junks and they need to burn because
they got so much shit in their renovation.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
We do we do now? I thought this was where
Sky was going to jump in and try to talk
the Instagram stories down, but instead she said.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
This, No, he was not burning my clothes on the fields.
They were probably just your hair, probably just some weeks.
He was like, fuck this pink. I don't like that color. Nah,
I don't he but like the timing of it wasn't right,
and I don't know if he knew that there was
a lot of media watching our profiles at the time.
(26:11):
But I'm like, wow, your timing was impeccable. There, My like,
that was good timing.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Now, we covered the story on our podcast and created
a subsequent reel off the back of what we said,
and in it we said we found it quite disturbing
because it was unclear what he was burning and it
seemed to be off the back of Sky igniting cheating rumors. Now,
the comment section blew up and people were not happy
with what we've said. People were sticking up for Locke, saying, Oh,
it's ridiculous. He's just clearly doing a burnoff on his
(26:40):
property like he normally does. It's interesting though, that Sky
also thought it didn't look that innocent, or that the
timing of it looked bad. Like I felt a bit
more vindicated. Yeah, Essentially, she was saying that it appeared
like Lockie was trying to send some sort of message.
I mean, it really did. And the media at tension
around this breakup has rattled Sky, and she said that
Gul going forward, if they inevitably do break up, they'll
(27:02):
most likely have to go to court, whether it's over
the kids or the property, and she really is wondering
whether she'll be able to stand the whole press attention
and also social media watching her every move. It really
does sound like they are just trying to be amicable
at the moment for obviously the sake of the kids,
but more so for the house and getting it finished,
because once it's finished, I assume that they can work
(27:24):
out whether they want to sell it or not. Surely
with Locke, yeah, but surely they can get people in
to finish the renovations. Often live separately. Well, it seems
like it's a bit of a financial decision because there
were reports recently that Lockie's shop fitting business went under.
There was some nasty court dispute. So perhaps they don't
have the money to finish off the rent. We'll get
someone else to finish off the renaos for them. Well,
(27:45):
the renots have been dragging on for six years, and
I wouldn't be surprised if it was another year or
two before they're done. Well, it doesn't seem to be
good for Sky's mental health because she said that while
they're eventually going to try and work things out, that
she's just not happy. She said in the past year,
her friends have said she did doesn't seem like herself
and that her light has been dimmed. She said it's
got to the point where she doesn't want to get
(28:05):
up in the morning and film content or show up
online because she feels so sad and depressed and like
it's all too much. So she doesn't seem to be
in a very healthy mindset at the moment, which is
very sad. She also sent further mixed messages over the
weekend when she posted two conflicting TikTok videos. So In
the first video, sky un Lockey appeared to be back together.
(28:26):
They were putting a bed together in one of their
newly renovated rooms. In saying that there was a fair
bit of arguing in the video. Let's throw to a
snippet of what they said.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
No, but we'll fix the corner thing.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Some things that better left unsaid.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Do you understand that?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
See how it's me.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
No, I'm coming down to your level. Proach. She makes
me feel like an idiot.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Okay, See it's giving attitude.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It's giving a bit of attitude.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
She's so cute.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Bye, don't discuss with an age and any of the
problems that's all you need to say.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Okay, let's make a bed.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I found the whole thing really awkward because it seemed
like an attempt for Sky to demonstrate to her audience
Lockie undermining her. But I mean, when you are filming
the content and uploading it, you have the power to
manipulate that video how you see fit. If anything, I
actually felt a bit sorry for Lockie because she was
the one firing up at him. Following the little spot
that they had. They then jumped into bed together and
(29:36):
had a bit of a cuddle at the end of
the video, so it very much looked like they were
back on.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Sky had to jump in the comments and confirm that
the video was pre recorded before the breakup and she
was just sharing it now, which seems a bit odd. Yeah,
well because a couple of hours later, she posted another
TikTok miming to this.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The text on the video read is he cheating? And
she then shared a hack of how to check your
partner's recently deleted conversation history on their phone. She added
don't be naive cis with a crying and melting face.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
One follower called Bell wrote, girl, are you trying to
say something, and she responded saying, nah, I just want
me Girley Pops to be safe with love heart. I
don't know if I believe that it seems very pointed.
It was at this point when fellow influencer Bella Messina
entered the chat. So Bella recently separated from her husband Adrian.
They have two kids together, and she wrote, can vouch
(30:35):
that this feature can be very helpful, so that shone
a little bit of light on what has been going
on behind the scenes with Bella and Adrian, so much
shade being thrown. If you were Lockie, you would be
so pissed off by this video because she's trying to
ignite cheating rumors once again. I mean, if that was
me and I was currently living with my on and
(30:56):
off again boyfriend that we have two kids with, we're
trying to put on happy face for the kids whilst
doing a renovation. I don't think that putting that information
out there is going to make the situation any better.
So I wonder if she's taking a leaf out of
Tammy Hembro's book and this is all just a quest
for engagement on TikTok. Well, it's definitely working because everyone
is very interested in it. Now, I think that is
(31:16):
all we have time for today. Thank you so much
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are in the show notes. It's basically an extension of
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episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana
people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders
past and present.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Sky Wheatley
and Lockie War's relationship, Limbo and Matt Sakowski spotted with
a new flame in Adelaide. But first, Mitch Orville and
Chloe Zepp are making a return to YouTube. Kay, I'm
(00:23):
very excited about this announcement. So last week Mitch posed
the question to his Instagram followers whether he should make
a return to YouTube, and it's all coming off the
back of his sons wanting to be a part of
the channel. So he wrote, me and Chloe stopped doing
YouTube because we didn't think it was fair to make
that decision on behalf of our kids at an early
age should document their life online. Fast forward three to
(00:45):
four years, and the boys, especially Artie, love outdoor adventure
YouTube channels aka Brodie Moss. I feel like all the
kids love a bit of Brodie Moss. Yeah. I think
Indy Clinton's son is a big fan too, so is
Sarah's day Sun Fox. Yeah. So Mitch said that now
now he wants to do what mum and dad did
full circle moment. Should we fire up the family YouTube
channel again? But make it outdoor and adventure now. The
(01:08):
following morning, Mitch mocked up his face on Russell Koit's
body and wrote, the YouTube is coming back. Stay tuned.
He then shared a screenshot of insights from his original
story that showed ninety three point seven thousand people had
viewed it and over five thousand people had liked it,
eight hundred and seventy five people had replied, and one
hundred and thirty three had shared it. So I think
(01:30):
that is a big Yes. We want to see Mitch
and Chloe back on YouTube, but I want to see
them back family logging. I don't necessarily want to see
them sharing their outdoor adventures. I want to hear about
their life. I bit. My husband loves Brodie Moss. He
is a massive fan. Occasionally I will watch the videos
with him. But I think that Mitch and Chloe's audience
is built on a lot of young women who prefer
(01:51):
to hear about their life and perhaps their family life,
as opposed to seeing them go on these outdoorsy adventures.
When you consider that Mitch and Chloe shut down the
YouTube channel because they didn't think it was fair to
make that decision on their son's behalf. But now when
they're four and five, they're like, oh, yeah, they approve.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Sort of is a little bit murky, because really, how
much weight can you put on the consent of a
four and five year old saying that they want to
be on YouTube? They don't really understand what that means.
I think because this is going to be a totally
different genre of content, they perhaps feel more comfortable because
it's not going to be specifically about the children's lives
and the tantrums that they're having and go too much
into their personal details. Yes, there are still issues around
(02:28):
their children's faces being splashed online and privacy and that
sort of thing, but maybe they're going to be very
careful with what they share. It'll be interesting to see
what they end up sharing on YouTube. Over the weekend,
it seemed like they may have been filming, because Mitch
shared that he and his sons were out fishing, So
maybe that's the first adventure that we're going to see.
It's interesting to consider how long Mitch and Chloe have
(02:50):
actually been offline, because the last video Chloe shared on
her individual channel was back in November twenty nineteen, so
that was, of course before the pandemic. She did feature though,
on the couple's joint YouTube channel called Chloe and Mitch,
So they started that channel back in twenty seventeen, and
they stopped posting on YouTube in October twenty twenty one.
(03:12):
I remember there was always this rumor that Chloe sang
their YouTube's theme song. Yeah, everyone just for some reason
they envisioned her in their head when they heard it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean at that point when they had the couple's channel,
Mitch had pretty much taken over and you could tell
that Chloe was not interested in being involved. It was
amid a lot of breakup rumors as well, and the
last video Mitch posted was actually called what I Do
in a Day with Artie. I actually think that this
is a stroke of genius. It's clear that Mitch is
going for a different type of audience. In this case,
(03:44):
it will likely be young dads and their kids watching it,
and I think that it's going to lead to a
lot less scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean if it was Chloe's eep starting a mummy
vlogging channel, it would be very different. Yeah, Yeah, this
is he.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
This is where I'm at in life.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Matzakowski has been spotted with a potential new flame in Adelaide,
just months after announcing his divorce to Tammy hanbro Kay,
this one is close to home for us? Can you
tell us more?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, for those listeners who aren't aware, we live in Adelaide.
So when these photos emerged online via Influencer Updates, aus like,
hang on, I recognized that spot and I was like,
imagine if we had run into them. Well, originally Influencer
Updates was posting that it was in fact in Melbourne,
which made sense because that is where Matt is from.
But yeah, this new woman is an Adelaide girl. We
(04:30):
love an Adelaide girl. Yeah. So her name is Emily Lawson.
She isn't a public figure herself, but she has around
nine thousand followers on Instagram and six thousand on TikTok
and it was Emily who hard launched the relationship on
her Instagram story. So she posted a mirror selfie of
her and Matt in front of what looked like a
hotel lift. She also documented their night out together, which
(04:50):
included dinner at Pastel Winebar on O'Connell Street. It looked
like a very romantic night, which finished up with watching
fireworks over the Adelaide CBD. Matt Sakowski and up sharing
vision from the fireworks later on so confirm that he
was there with Emily watching it. It can't help but
feel proud that Adelaide has been pulled into this Tammy
Hembro Matzakowski story and they made it look like a
(05:12):
cool place to go out. Well, it is a cool
place to be well. Matt Szakowski also looked incredibly tall
in this photo with Emily. I don't know if Emily
is short, but he looked massive and I have to
say very good looking as well.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
He is six foot five, so I think he's going
to make most women look short now. As we mentioned
at the start, it didn't take long for one of
Emily's followers to give Influencer Updates Au the tip off.
So Amber broke the news on her account on Sunday morning,
and a few of Emily's friends were very excited by
her feature on the page and tagged her saying that's
our girl. It seems to me like Emily wanted this
(05:46):
information out there. I wonder if Matt didn't want the
news out there though, because he's been getting quite a
good rap lately. By I don't want to say playing
the role, because I'm not saying he's putting it on,
but by assuming the role of the guy who seems
bummed out by the divorce. You know, we heard that
Tammy Hembro moved on very quickly with Bailey Smith, and
you could tell on Matt's podcast that he seemed quite
(06:07):
sad and down in the dumps about it. But now
it's like, well he's moved on pretty fast too. Yeah.
So I think if Tammy hadn't have gone public with
Bailey Smith, this would be playing out very differently. Yeah,
he'd be a bit of villain. Yeah. Now, in terms
of what we know about Emily, she is twenty four,
which funnily enough is the same age as Bailey Smith,
so they've both moved on with younger counterparts, younger blondes.
(06:30):
I have to say she has a striking resemblance to
Tammy Hembro. She has the same bleach blonde hair and
let's say similar body shame. Yeah, they both got great bodies.
I had a thorough look of Instagram page for research purposes,
of course, and we had a couple of mutual friends
in there, but no one that I'm close enough with
to be like, oh hey, what's the scoop. Well, for
those who don't know, people say that Adelaide is like
(06:52):
a big country town where everyone knows one another. That
being said, there is a twelve year age difference between
us and Emily, so I'm not surprised that we don't
have heaps of friends in common from having a deeper look. Though,
she did work on a Walt Disney cruise ship, so
she's been living her best life. Yeah, it seems like
she's also gone through her own difficult breakup this time
last year. So in September she posted tips of things
(07:15):
that helped her deal after dating a narcissist. And I
found that very interesting because Matt has spoken on his
podcast before about navigating narcissistic relationships. At the time, we
suggested that it seemed like it was a bit of
a dig at his relationship with Tammy, So I wonder
if that's been a bit of a topic of conversation. Again,
not saying that Tammy is a narcissist. I think after
(07:37):
you go through a toxic relationship and a breakup. A
lot of people label their exes as narcissist. I mean,
people don't seem to understand that you actually have to
be diagnosed as a narcissist by a psychiatrist. Like, it's
not as common as you think, and it's different to
have narcissistic tendencies than actually being a full blown narcissist.
Just to get more of an overview of Emily's personality
(08:00):
luckily for us, she recently got involved in the Unfortunately
I Love trend on TikTok, so she shared that unfortunately
she loves being wine drunk, blocking people, ignoring men, over sharing,
that's great, taking a million photos, only having hot friends,
and being hot. I don't feel about the last two.
There's a bit of be nice. A stick qual is
(08:21):
that it kind of reminded me of Regina George on
Me and Girls. I mean, I'm sure it's a bit
of a joke. I am assuming that Matt and Emily
must have met on Raya, because how else are they
crossing paths? Yeah, it seems like a pretty common thing
on that app. So for those not familiar with Raya,
it is sort of coined as the dating app for celebrities,
but let's face it, it's a lot of Z grade celebrities.
And then people say celebrities, I think it's just a
(08:44):
lot of people who either have a fake following or
they just get the code from their friends. Yeah, so
I'm guessing that Emily because she has around nine thousand
followers on Instagram, maybe she's got on through that. I
don't know. Yeah, Well, Tammy is yet to comment on
her husband moving on. I don't really think that she
is in a position to do so, considering she was
(09:05):
very fast to move on with Bailey Smith herself. Yeah,
before this news broke, though, Tammy hinted on her tiktop
that she was dealing with some stressful things at the moment,
so she filmed to get Ready video with me before
attending White Fox Boutique's twelfth birthday dinner. Let's take a
listen to some of what she said.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I have so much coming up, but I have so
much to be grateful for. I do have, like some
other stressful things that I'm dealing with, dealing with that,
right forgetting how to speak English. I had like four
hours sleep last night.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
I have so much to be grateful for. And so
much to be happy about and excited about. And then
on the other hand, I have like all these stresses.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Tammy went on to reveal that she did three podcast
interviews last week and she was nervous about what she said.
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Some of them. I'm like, literally, what did I say?
Like at the end of the day, I don't want
to like upset anyone, like I just want I.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Just want to be.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I don't want like drama. I don't want to hurt
anyone's feeling someone upset anyone. But yeah, I don't know
what I said. Guys, I got deep and I got personal.
I am a little nervous though, because I don't usually
say yes to things like that, Like I don't know,
but I actually enjoyed it, and you know what, it'll
be fine.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I really hope she has opened up more so than
she did on No Filter, which is MEA. Friedman's podcast
poured me at She's a fantastic interviewer, but she was
absolutely pulling at teeth to get any sort of answers
from her. But maybe now she's going through this breakup,
It's just like word vulnerable diarrhea. I've got to say,
I was pretty cut when I was listening to this
because just a bit of inside information for pulling back
(10:40):
the curtain here. Yeah, we actually locked in an interview
with Tammy Hembro and her sisters that would have aired
this week, but last minute, you know, you can put
timelines together, it got cut and putting it out there.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That was an.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Opportunity that came to us. We didn't go out seeking that. Initially,
I was surprised that they would consider appearing on our podcast,
but then when I thought about it, well, we have
such an engaged audience who cares about Tammy and her life.
I mean, it would have been an amazing opportunity for
her and also for us because I would have loved
to sit down with her and been like, Okay, it's
time to set the records straight, like tell us what
(11:15):
you actually think about all of these things that we've
covered before. Unfortunately that fell through right at the end,
so it is disappointing. I'm interested to see what podcast
she has appeared on. One podcast that I know of
is jar Day Tunci and Locky Bricky's podcast called Mad
About You. She's a safe choice because obviously jar Day
being a fellow influencer. They're not really going to go
(11:37):
too hard on her, are they. She may tell jar
Day a bit though, because I've listened to their podcast
before and jar Day and Lockie are really friendly. They
come across as really likable, and maybe it just, you know,
for Tammy, she might have felt like she was talking
to friends. Yeah, well that's true. They probably will get
the scoop with the softly softly approach. I'm wondering if
she'll also be on Life Uncut. Oh, one hundred percent.
(11:58):
I definitely think that she'll be on there. Do you
think maybe the other one I thought of was something
to talk about by Stellar Magazine, maybe all the sisters
were here. Yeah, we'll probably see a spread that would
be some good promo for their supplements company. Well, it's
clear that one of the podcast interviews involves her and
her sisters Emily and Amy, because they filmed themselves on
Snapchat and also on TikTok, sitting at like a recording
(12:21):
studio on a couch and judging by a TikTok. Tammy shared,
I think that Emily and Amy probably went a bit
rogue about Matt during one of the interviews, because Tammy
has said how worried she is about what got said. Well,
they've got prior for it as well, and it seems
like after that interview, you know when you're in a
bit of a high for ragging on someone, because Tammy's
(12:43):
then let that spill across onto her TikTok. So she
filmed a video where she panned across to her sisters
and she wrote I may have let go, but my
sisters will hate you forever, with a trending sound that said,
sources confirm your vibe was weird and yes everyone found.
Someone did comment under that I fear amy the most,
to which Emily responded me to with the covering eyes emoji. Well,
(13:06):
Matt's also been making reference to the divorce on his
own podcast, so he recently spoke with Anna McAvoy about
the Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban divorce announcement, and they
basically were pointing out that when a divorce announcement happens,
the blame is often unfairly put on the man. And
there was also a reference to the fact that Matthew
McConaughey's parents got divorced and remarried three times, and matt
(13:28):
said that definitely wouldn't be happening. In his case, it
was a bit of a change of pace to have
Matt and Anna McAvoy dissecting the headlines, like they've introduced
this new second episode of the Week, and I was
like wow, because they dissected Taylor Swift's album, and I'm like,
you clearly couldn't find two people that were less interested
in the release. I actually felt dumber listening to it,
(13:49):
and I don't know that sounds terrible, but it was quite
clear that their producer had put together a few key
points and they sort of had to ramble through the
dot points, and it was clear that they knew nothing
about it. There was no research really done. I would
rather than just talk about their personal lives because I
do enjoy tuning in, but I don't really want to
hear their take on celebrity gossip, particularly if they're not
actually interested in it.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I think that it seems like an easy thing to do,
but it's actually not, particularly when you have podcasts like
Shameless that do such a good job of it. It's
like you can't compete in that space. People just want
to hear your advice on dating and your relationship, like
that's what your podcast is. I understand people can branch out,
but it's sort of a very competitive industry. And yeah,
(14:30):
it just because I listened to a lot of pop
culture podcasts. It just the comparison was quite glaring. I
have to admit I do tune in every week, and
while my motivation mostly is to get content for this
podcast and be across what's happening in the Tammy Hembro
Matsakowski sphere, I do enjoy it. Like it said, easy listen.
And on Tuesday I had to laugh to myself because
(14:52):
Matt revealed that he's been recycling plastic bottles and cans
from his office in a bid to save up for
a trip to Europe. And I thought that was very
brave of him to talk about because it made it
seem like he has a lot of financial stresses going on,
and it was in complete contrast to Tammy Hembro's life
where she's worth fifty million dollars. Let's take a listen
to what he said.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
You know how now they do the ten cents for
cans and bottles. Yeah, this is he This is where
I'm at in life. This is where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So for those unaware. Matt does a nine to five
job alongside his podcast and influencing career. So he is
a project manager for his dad's pool company. And he
told Anna macavoid that their office manager decided it was
cheaper to purchase slabs of bottled water rather than getting
a water fountain fitted in the office, and he decided
he would collect the bottles and cash them in to
(15:39):
make some extra money. Let's take a listen to more
of what he said.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
So I go around with a bag and I like
shake it for everyone and they put their bottles in there,
and I say, thanks, guys, you're paying for a Europe trip.
Blah blah blah. So I have four big garbage bags
of like plastic bottles and cans that I collected from
the office. Right people in the office are getting annoyed.
They're like, you can't just leave him here blah bah us.
I was like, cry, so him into the place. Have
you been there before?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Now I don't even know what this place is.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Explain that.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So it's like a recycle plan. I had to google
it where it was. And you like and they pay you, Yeah,
they give you ten cents for each bottle.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You didn't need to collect a load of bottles if
you're going to Europe.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Matt did leave very disappointed because he thought that four
bags of plastic bottles would get him around four hundred dollars,
but it ended up just being ninety, and he said
that it wasn't worth the effort. I was pretty shocked
when I heard Anna macav always say that she didn't
know you could cash in your bottles and cans for
ten cents. It turns out, though, that the container deposit
scheme has only been a place in Victoria since twenty
(16:38):
twenty three. Oh really, I didn't know that it wasn't
in place in Melbourne because as kids, I remember we
were swapping cans and bottles. That must have been in
place for a lot longer in South Australia. So in
South Australia we've had it in place since nineteen seventy seven,
and the other states have also had it in place
for a fairly long time. It's just been Victoria who
haven't had it. That kind of gives a bit more
context to Matt's story, is perhaps why he's so excited
(17:00):
to collect the cans. Yeah, and it's more of a novelty.
It's a bit of a letdown for him though, because
this time last year he was getting set to marry
a woman worth fifty plus million dollars and now he's
having to scrounge around for cans to fund this Europe trip.
To be fair to Matt, it is a noble thing
to do in the sense that it's good for the planet.
And who couldn't use a bit of extra cash. I mean,
we have a recycling bin at our house that we
(17:20):
put all our cans and bottles in. We take them
down to the depot. Look, he's becoming one of the people,
isn't he on other people? He's exchanging cans for money
and dating an Adelaide girl.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So there has been a lot going on with me
and lots of headlines that will address today too.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Sky Wheatley has opened up about her much publicized breakup
from baby Daddy. Lucky war The former Bi Brother contestant,
has backtracked, describing the situation as relationship limbo and admitted
they plan to work things out. So if this has
come as a surprise to her followers, there's only a
few weeks ago. She confirmed the split on her Instagram
Live Yeah, and what a memorable Instagram live. It was
(17:57):
she was holidaying at an airbnb on the Sunshine Coast
with her two kids when she broke the news to
her followers. Now. In the live, she confirmed that the
couple had broken up, and even responded to a follower
who asked if Locke had cheated on her, saying, I
don't know maybe. She also confirmed in that live that
she and Locke would still be finishing off their extensive
(18:18):
renovations together, which they have been documenting for the past
six years now. Ski was acting quite erradically during that live,
so much so that some of her followers were convinced
that she was intoxicated, but she later confirmed in the
comment section that she was in fact sober whilst filming
that live. Well, I'm glad that she clarified what was
(18:40):
going on now. A few days on from this breakup announcement,
Locke was spotted in the background of one of Sky's
friends Instagram stories now. In the photo, Sky and her
friend were choosing beers at her home, while Lockey was
in the background, also holding a beer. This led followers
to speculate that perhaps they were working on things now.
Off the back of the spec Sky uploaded a podcast
(19:02):
called Let's Talk Past Breakups, and a lot of people
assume she would be talking about her situation with Lockie.
She briefly touched on the fact that they've gone through
a lot of breaks and that she had posed the
question recently to Lockie that could they go on a
break for six months and he said, well, we may
as well break up. But the majority of the episode
was actually about Sky's breakup with her boyfriend before Lockie
(19:26):
called Cam and also her co host Callum spoke a
lot about his breakups. Yeah. Well, I think that there
must have been a lot of listeners writing in saying, hey,
what's happening here? You've teased us that you're going to
talk about this breakup. What's going on? Because this week
she released an episode entitled Sky Addresses the Locky Breakup Rumors.
Now I want to provide some visual context because during
(19:48):
this podcast recording, Sky was randomly wearing a pink wig
and she said it was because it's Halloween month and
it fits into the spooky theme. Now I want to
address that because she does mention the wig in a
grab that we are going to play later on. I
was thrown by what she was wearing because she's come
out and said all these, you know, newsworthy things about
her breakup, and she didn't look like herself. Well is
it because when people go through a breakup, they change
(20:09):
their hair. I'm trying to do something dramatic now, off
the bat, I want to point out that I thought
it was pretty ridiculous that they were calling these breakup rumors.
It's a bit cheeky because the only person who fired
up these rumors was Sky herself, because she obviously jumped
in alive and flat out said that they'd broken up.
So they're not rumors. You confirmed the breakup. Well, I
suppose she was addressing rumors that were already out there
(20:32):
because she hadn't posted with Locki for quite some time.
But she's confirmed the rumor.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So anyway, she ended up telling her listeners that she
was going to address the rumor's head on, but from
there she lost me. It got very confusing because while
she did confirm that the breakup took place, she said
that she and Lockie are now just on a break
with the idea that they will work things out. Okay,
so let's have a listen to some of what she.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Said basically heard it here. First, there has been there
has been a breakup, but then like we've been co parenting,
and this is like the longest we've gone separated. Yes,
because normally we'll have like little breaks, you know, because
we've been there's been a lot on both our plates.
We're both stressed with work. We've got two young children,
(21:20):
trying to navigate two young boys, and a renovation, plus
our own businesses. Like, it's been very stressful, and I
think I think it's very hard to understand each other sometimes.
So yeah, we'll usually have little breaks so we can
just like you know, reset, and then we usually come
back with this. This has definitely been the longest co
(21:42):
parenting split slash break we've ever had. I think we
did get super close there to ending it and call
for real, for real like calling it quits, but maybe
I've raked out a little bit and I was like,
oh my god, I just don't know if I can
go through this right now.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So essentially, reading between the lines, it sounds like things
have been rocky for quite some time for the couple
and that they've been on a couple of breaks, but
maybe one of their recent arguments got so out of hand,
the Sky went public with it, and now she's having
to backtrack a bit. Well, she confirmed on the podcast
that she was the one who initiated the breakup and
said that she was the one who was pretty firm
(22:20):
and strong with keeping it that way. But since then
she's said she's had a full mental breakdown and freak
out over it. Yeah, because she said that the breakup
actually coincided with a falling out with a friend and
she didn't feel strong enough to go through both a
friendship bust up and also a breakup. So now she
and Locke have decided to try and work through it
and go to couples counseling. Well, it's not the first
(22:41):
time they've actually been to couples counseling. We have discussed
it on our podcast. I think it was like a
year or so ago. But basically, when Sky and Lockie
were trying to find a psychologist to help with their
son Forrest, the psychologist actually said, hearing you guys interact,
you guys need to go to a couple's count jumming
up some business with the psychologists there. Yeah, myself, Skuy
(23:03):
said she felt like that the counselor they spoke to
was always on Locky side, and then they found one
that was more neutral. But it seems like they've probably
not gone as much as they should have. I found
it quite difficult listening to that grab because it seems
like they're just trying to stay together for the sake
of the house and also their kids. But surely the
kids would be picking up on that negative tension, particularly
(23:25):
because she said that they're not really talking to each other.
I think they're putting a bit of a patch over
everything at the moment until the house has done. That's
what it sounds like. I want to get back to
her mention of a friendship bust up, because there has
been a lot of speculation that this friendship breakdown is
between her and her business partner, Tory So. Tory is
a fellow influencer and they run Good People Apparel together now. Originally,
(23:48):
when the breakup news broke, Tory appeared to throw shade
at Lockie So she wrote, when you're a girl's girl,
So now I've got more beef with her ex than
she ever did. The post continued, saying he really thought
he could talk to her crazy but forgot her besties
from the West and I don't let shit slide. She
then hashtagged it break up humor Now. Sky replied to
(24:09):
the video, writing that's my girl. So I don't know
what has gone down since because they have now unfollowed
each other on socials, So I don't know what this
means for the future of their clothing brand. I mean,
it's really sad because they've been friends for a long time.
Not good timing. Now back to the breakup. During the
podcast interview, Callum started talking about how the media has
(24:30):
really blown everything out of proportion and he couldn't believe
the reaction to the Instagram stories that Locke shared of
him burning boxes on the couple's property. Now, these stories
were shot from Locke's perspective at nighttime, so he was
at their property and in the vision, he was drinking
whilst walking through the empty house and he stopped at
the kitchen where there were a ton of boxes stacked up.
(24:51):
In the next Instagram story, he was then outside dramatically
setting fire to another lot of boxes. And at the
time it was quite confusing because there was no context
as to what was in the boxes, and he was
blaring a love song in the background. So many people
wondered whether the Sky's possessions were in those boxes, because
it came off the back of her essentially accusing him
(25:13):
of cheating on her in her Instagram live, whilst a
lot of other people said, Oh, it looks like he's
just doing a bit of a routine burnoff. We burn
rubbish on our property from time to time. But let's
have a listen to what Callum said.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But like the media blows everything out of proportion. Oh
my god, there was a vigil of Lockie, like putting
some cardboard on fire, you'ls some paper on fire, and
all of a sudden, like the worlds ending and there's
like a full breakup and all this, and like they've
probably just got junks and they need to burn because
they got so much shit in their renovation.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
We do we do now? I thought this was where
Sky was going to jump in and try to talk
the Instagram stories down, but instead she said.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
This, No, he was not burning my clothes on the fields.
They were probably just your hair, probably just some weeks.
He was like, fuck this pink. I don't like that color. Nah,
I don't he but like the timing of it wasn't right,
and I don't know if he knew that there was
a lot of media watching our profiles at the time.
(26:11):
But I'm like, wow, your timing was impeccable. There, My like,
that was good timing.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Now, we covered the story on our podcast and created
a subsequent reel off the back of what we said,
and in it we said we found it quite disturbing
because it was unclear what he was burning and it
seemed to be off the back of Sky igniting cheating rumors. Now,
the comment section blew up and people were not happy
with what we've said. People were sticking up for Locke, saying, Oh,
it's ridiculous. He's just clearly doing a burnoff on his
(26:40):
property like he normally does. It's interesting though, that Sky
also thought it didn't look that innocent, or that the
timing of it looked bad. Like I felt a bit
more vindicated. Yeah, Essentially, she was saying that it appeared
like Lockie was trying to send some sort of message.
I mean, it really did. And the media at tension
around this breakup has rattled Sky, and she said that
Gul going forward, if they inevitably do break up, they'll
(27:02):
most likely have to go to court, whether it's over
the kids or the property, and she really is wondering
whether she'll be able to stand the whole press attention
and also social media watching her every move. It really
does sound like they are just trying to be amicable
at the moment for obviously the sake of the kids,
but more so for the house and getting it finished,
because once it's finished, I assume that they can work
(27:24):
out whether they want to sell it or not. Surely
with Locke, yeah, but surely they can get people in
to finish the renovations. Often live separately. Well, it seems
like it's a bit of a financial decision because there
were reports recently that Lockie's shop fitting business went under.
There was some nasty court dispute. So perhaps they don't
have the money to finish off the rent. We'll get
someone else to finish off the renaos for them. Well,
(27:45):
the renots have been dragging on for six years, and
I wouldn't be surprised if it was another year or
two before they're done. Well, it doesn't seem to be
good for Sky's mental health because she said that while
they're eventually going to try and work things out, that
she's just not happy. She said in the past year,
her friends have said she did doesn't seem like herself
and that her light has been dimmed. She said it's
got to the point where she doesn't want to get
(28:05):
up in the morning and film content or show up
online because she feels so sad and depressed and like
it's all too much. So she doesn't seem to be
in a very healthy mindset at the moment, which is
very sad. She also sent further mixed messages over the
weekend when she posted two conflicting TikTok videos. So In
the first video, sky un Lockey appeared to be back together.
(28:26):
They were putting a bed together in one of their
newly renovated rooms. In saying that there was a fair
bit of arguing in the video. Let's throw to a
snippet of what they said.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
No, but we'll fix the corner thing.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Some things that better left unsaid.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Do you understand that?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
See how it's me.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
No, I'm coming down to your level. Proach. She makes
me feel like an idiot.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Okay, See it's giving attitude.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
It's giving a bit of attitude.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
She's so cute.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Bye, don't discuss with an age and any of the
problems that's all you need to say.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Okay, let's make a bed.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I found the whole thing really awkward because it seemed
like an attempt for Sky to demonstrate to her audience
Lockie undermining her. But I mean, when you are filming
the content and uploading it, you have the power to
manipulate that video how you see fit. If anything, I
actually felt a bit sorry for Lockie because she was
the one firing up at him. Following the little spot
that they had. They then jumped into bed together and
(29:36):
had a bit of a cuddle at the end of
the video, so it very much looked like they were
back on.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Sky had to jump in the comments and confirm that
the video was pre recorded before the breakup and she
was just sharing it now, which seems a bit odd. Yeah,
well because a couple of hours later, she posted another
TikTok miming to this.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The text on the video read is he cheating? And
she then shared a hack of how to check your
partner's recently deleted conversation history on their phone. She added
don't be naive cis with a crying and melting face.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
One follower called Bell wrote, girl, are you trying to
say something, and she responded saying, nah, I just want
me Girley Pops to be safe with love heart. I
don't know if I believe that it seems very pointed.
It was at this point when fellow influencer Bella Messina
entered the chat. So Bella recently separated from her husband Adrian.
They have two kids together, and she wrote, can vouch
(30:35):
that this feature can be very helpful, so that shone
a little bit of light on what has been going
on behind the scenes with Bella and Adrian, so much
shade being thrown. If you were Lockie, you would be
so pissed off by this video because she's trying to
ignite cheating rumors once again. I mean, if that was
me and I was currently living with my on and
(30:56):
off again boyfriend that we have two kids with, we're
trying to put on happy face for the kids whilst
doing a renovation. I don't think that putting that information
out there is going to make the situation any better.
So I wonder if she's taking a leaf out of
Tammy Hembro's book and this is all just a quest
for engagement on TikTok. Well, it's definitely working because everyone
is very interested in it. Now, I think that is
(31:16):
all we have time for today. Thank you so much
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episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana
people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders
past and present.
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