March 10, 2022 • 40 mins
On today's episode... Followers are speculating that Tahlia Skaines' has taken a swipe at her ex Mitch Third after dropping some juicy details in her recent vlog.
Abbie Chatfield has revealed how she manages to out earn some of Australia's most followed influencers. The podcaster and TV host gave the insight into her social media strategy during her radio show this week.
We unpack #glassgate following one of MAFS' biggest blow ups, between fan favourite Dominica and Olivia.
And Netflix's highly anticipated reality show, Byron Baes, which follows the lives of a group of influencers, has been met with mixed reactions.
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Abbie Chatfield has revealed how she manages to out earn some of Australia's most followed influencers. The podcaster and TV host gave the insight into her social media strategy during her radio show this week.
We unpack #glassgate following one of MAFS' biggest blow ups, between fan favourite Dominica and Olivia.
And Netflix's highly anticipated reality show, Byron Baes, which follows the lives of a group of influencers, has been met with mixed reactions.
Follow us on Instagram at @outspoken_the_podcast.If you want to join in on the conversation, join us in our Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/546449075892582 Podcast hosted by @amytaeuber @katetaeuber & @sophie_taeuber.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken, your dose of the hottest
influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Amy
Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Kate
and Sophie. On today's show, Talia Skaanes engages a lawyer
following her breakup. Another Math's wine glass controversy Byron Bays
drops on Netflix and.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Is this the end of Jagged? But First?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Followers are speculating that Talia Skaines has taken a swipe
at her ex boyfriend Mitch Third during her recent YouTube
video Now Sophie. Although she didn't directly mention Mitch's name,
followers are convinced she's throwing shade at him.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, that's right, Amy.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
In her most recent weekly vlog, Tarlia said she wanted
to keep it real with her followers and opened up
about feeling really overwhelmed at the moment.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
She has recently visited Sydney and Newcastle and explained that
she was behind on work and had a million and
one things to do.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Amongst the list of things she had to do was
visit her lawyer. Here's what Tarlia say said.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I feel like I'm super hind on work.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I've just gotten home.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I've got to go see my lawyer and deal with
shit that I just don't want to deal with and
I shouldn't have to deal with. Like I said, I've
got to go and see my lawyer. Not loo forwarded
doing that, but one of those things, unfortunately I have
to deal with.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You guys would be absolutely.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Mind alone if he knew some of the shit that
I deal with behind closed doors.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But anyway, I've got to go do with that today.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It's just one of those things. The shade didn't end there.
During the vlog, Talia also told her followers she'd been
watching the Netflix documentary The Tinder Swindler. Now that seems
innocent enough. However, many thought she was comparing Mitch's behavior
to that of The Tinder Swindler himself.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I do feel really bad for the girls, though I
know what it's like to be owed a lot of
money from someone, so I do really feel bad for them. Also,
the part where he's just like, he's so erratic, there's
one section of it which you guys will see. One minute,
he's full going hand like threatening these chicks, saying all
this horrible stuff. You're this, you're that, like threats, like
discussing behavior, and then next second he's saying I'm sorry,
(02:03):
I love you, like I'm sorry I did that, you know,
and just blaming her for his behavior like it's just
I know that behavior all too well. So, yeah, kat,
it really fucks.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Me up about it. When Talia said I know what
it's like to be owed a lot of money from someone,
she did pull a face during the video, and this
has led many to speculate that perhaps she is visiting
her lawyer because Mitch owes her money. Now, none of
that is confirmed. This is pure speculation at the moment.
So Mitch does own Third Fix the label, and Talia
joined forces with Mitch to start up Third Fix Collection,
(02:35):
where they sold Lounge where they also own a villa
in Bali together. So it looks like things maybe getting a.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Little bit messy.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah. Followers did weigh in in the comment section of
the YouTube video. So one user wrote, it seems that
so many female Aussie influencers have boyfriends that are financially
dependent on them. Happy that Talia is with someone her equal.
Another said, hope you aren't talking about Mitch when you
say you're owed money. Would hate to think there's bad
blood about business you owned and profited off together, whilst
(03:05):
another said I get the feeling that Taralia supported Mitch financially,
probably a reason contributing to their breakup. Now I've got
to point out that this, again is all speculation that
has been brought about because of Tarlia's comments in this video.
I do find the comment about female Aussie influencers supporting
their boyfriends quite an interesting one, because I do feel
(03:25):
like it is hard when you are a well known
influencer and then you bring your boyfriend into the mix
because automatically they get a whole load of followers and
new opportunities.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And I personally couldn't.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Help but feel a little bit pissed off if I
had set up a career for somebody on social media.
So I wonder if there's some feelings of resentment even
about that. Yeh. I thought it was really interesting to
hear Tarlia say that she was enraged when watching the
Tinder Swindler because she could relate to being gas lit
in a relationship, and if she is referring to her
relationship with Mitch, we really didn't see that side on
(03:58):
social media. He's really we seem like the model boyfriend.
We only saw the highlights reel. So I think that's
why it's difficult for followers to kind of hear these
things and try and make sense of them at the moment. Well,
isn't that just social media in general? Like you always
it's always those relationships that look really good on Instagram
that usually aren't working out behind the scenes. And I
think it's just a bit of a dose of reality
(04:20):
really because they know that they have to turn it
on on social media. Everyone wants to be couple goals,
and they definitely were, so I think that's why this
has come as such a shock to many people. And
I kind of foresee this considering that Talia has gone
well soft launched her boyfriend, like we spoke about earlier
this week, I think it was only a matter of
time before things got a little bit nasty online. And
(04:41):
I do wonder if this comment in question could be
in relation to the fact that when they did break up.
Clearly there's always an argument when you break up. And
then Mitch was seen posting a photo of him and
Talia at their school formal and you know, saying how
much he loves her and will always love her. Like
a bit of manipulation, yeah, that he's trying to look
like the good guy and flipping back and forth from
(05:03):
being angry and then sad. At the moment, it does
seem like a little bit of tit for tat, and
with both of them having big online profiles, I do
think we will hear from Mitch soon. I think he
will weigh in on this matter because it doesn't look
good for him personally with these this speculation surrounding him.
I do think that this breakup brings up some really
interesting things to consider about relationships and money because nowadays,
(05:26):
more and more people are waiting longer to get married,
and they're purchasing properties first, or they're getting into business
with their significant others, and this has really put it
in the spotlight. And Talia did study law, so I
am hoping that before entering into these big life decisions,
the two of them did sit down and put some
contracts in place, because it could be a very messy situation.
(05:49):
What do you guys think about Talia generating this type
of speculation because she has edited this vlog, she knows
what she's putting out there. She knows people are going
to start asking questions and making conclusions. Do you think
it's fair? I would almost rather sit down and do
a tell all sort of video where she laid it
(06:09):
on the line, because I almost think the speculation is
a bit unfair because it almost doesn't give him room
for a reply. Well, we all know who she's referring
to on her videos. She has had a public breakup,
so in terms of defamation, it's already clear who she's
talking about. Look, I see both sides. I think that
if you're going to be vague on social media, it
can be just as damaging if you name the person legally,
(06:31):
because everybody can draw the conclusion that maybe she is
talking about Mitch. However, I do think that she has
spoken to a lawyer. She's probably angry about that process,
and she's wanting to share a bit of that online
with her following, And she thinks by cleverly saying a
few things, she's able to get across to her followers
maybe more of a better example of what she's going
(06:53):
through at the moment. Maybe it's because she looks like
the bad one in the relationship at the moment in
terms of she's moved on quicker, so it's almost like
she's can't trying to justify why she has done that
and with a close friend. Well, to be fair with
the whole relationship breakdown, I think before this she did
handle it really privately and she didn't really come out
and say anything to all the bait that was being
(07:14):
put out there when Mitch was reacting to her potentially
seeing new guys. So maybe she's just hit a point
where she's hard enough of it and there is a
lot going on behind the scenes and she's completely frustrated
by it. Maybe this is a bit of a warning.
If you don't stop, I'm gonna start saying more shit
that's I reckon, because she did say in the vlog,
you guys would have no idea what I've been going through.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's obviously been really awful for her.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
If you insult my wife again, you know what I'm
gonna do. I'm going to show up your house when
you're sleeping, and I'll take your eyepad or your eyepod
or your eye mac and I'll shove them up your
fucking eye.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Cun I got nothing to lose.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Your kid is the problem. My kid is a fucking angel,
I don't have time for this shit.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Abby Chatfield has revealed how she's managed to outearn Australia's
most followed influences. The podcaster and TV host gave the
insight into her social media strategy during her radio show
this week, Kate, can you tell us about Abby's secret
to success? Well, it's all about generating interactions on her
Instagram account, Abby, who has three hundred and eighty one
(08:13):
thousand followers, said she has been paid double the price
of what influences with one to two million followers received
for certain posts. She explained that brands care more about
impressions than they do about followers. Abby went on to
say impressions for the week are how many times your
account has been interacted with. She explained that likes, comments
and views are considered impressions now from someone who works
(08:37):
in the social media advertising space, I just wanted to
clarify that I believe Abby meant to say engagement rather
than impressions, because engagement is a measurement of how your
audience is interacting with your content. So basically, any action
someone takes on your profile is engagement, So it could
be a like or a comment, However, impressions are different.
(08:57):
It actually is the number of times your content be
at post or story is shown to users, and impressions
are usually confused with reach. However, impressions are an estimate
of the total number of people your content has the
potential to reach, rather than how many people it actually
has reached.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
See Kay.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I actually think she did mean impressions because I had
a look at how influencers now work out what to charge,
and often the formula now in twenty twenty two is
that you look at how many impressions you have had, say,
for example, for an Instagram story, and then new times
it by I think it was zero point one point five,
and you work out what your rate is. Well, it's
(09:34):
fair to say the impressions and engagement are very important
to influencers. But what Abby said was she was talking
about generating interactions on her account. And now Instagram has
introduced the ability to like stories, but stories aren't as
interactive as of grid posts. So that is engagement on
a post. As someone who runs social media accounts, so
(09:56):
you want to drive people to start commenting, liking, and
sharing on your post. That's why on Facebook news websites
do so well, because they're always creating controversial discussions on
their posts, and that's why they're always driven up the
Facebook algorithm. There is that long running joke that you'll
often see influencers put up the do you prefer this
or that? On their Insta stories, and that's because they
(10:17):
want people to actually press and engage with their content.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
As you're saying, Okay, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Funny you say that, Amy, because Instagram stories are a
big part of Abby's overall social media strategy. So she
said she puts up so many stories because it all
works towards her daily impressions and engagement, which then increases
her value as an influencer.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And I don't know about you guys, but I really.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Like the fact that she was talking about her strategy
because sometimes when you go on social media, it can
seem as if these influencers have just gotten lucky with
their followers. However, with Abby, yeah, she got a kickstart
being on the Bachelor, but she has managed to grow
and become one of I think the biggest stars from
that franchise by putting it by putting a lot of
effort into her social media. Well, I'm actually glad to
(11:02):
hear that is part of her strategy, and it's obviously
a part of other influencers strategies because often I go
on and I'll click on a well known influencers account
and they've posted about one hundred stories and it's not
even ten am oh. I enjoy it though, because I
feel like Instagram story is the new vlog. Like influencers
like it because they have to put in very little
(11:22):
effort in terms of editing, but you still get an
insight into their life. It is funny when you compare
how Abby has spoken about her strategy to other influencers,
because I've heard another influencer talk about apparently growing their
audience and how you get followers, and it was so
obvious that they had literally no idea, and it made
me just think that this person had bought their followers
(11:43):
because they spoke about how you have to create an
aesthetic feed and take nice pictures. But I don't think
that cuts it anymore. I think as an influencer these days,
you have to be creating conversations on your channel, and
you need to be on top of the latest trends,
and as I said before, you have to be constantly
vlogging your day You've got to work on creating that
parasocial relationship with your followers, because at the end of
(12:05):
the day, that is going to result in brands wanting
to partner with you. I feel like that old school
approach of making everything aesthetic only really relates to fashion
brands now or people who are trying to build a
brand on Instagram that's just for you know, shopping online.
I don't think, as you say, it applies to influences anymore.
People do want to be aspirational, but people also want
(12:26):
to get to know you and see the real side
of you. I actually think that brands who continue to
post esthetic photos and videos are going to be left
behind though, because people don't want to see that anymore. Yeah,
but think about high end fashion brands that want women
to easily look at the feed and shop from their clothes.
It's a little bit different there. Yeah, but it's I
think afluence of brands that are aesthetics and it's like,
(12:49):
we all know you got them from Ali Baba. I
think in terms of clothing, though, you can do something
aesthetically pleasing in the form of paid advertising. So it
might be an advertise that pops up on an insta
story and that really captures your attention. But I think
with the feed post, people don't really like them. I
mean personally, I'm on Instagram more for stories and then
(13:11):
also real it's like pictures don't really do it for
me anymore unless it's my friend or my family members
and I'm actually excited to see it. I don't really
want to see a very curated image on Instagram because
I just see that as an ad and scroll past.
I don't engage with it at all. Now, on the
topic of influencers, I thought it'd be fun to have
a look at their engagement rate, so we jumped on
(13:32):
Social Blade, which calculates influencers engagement rates based on their
last twenty images. Now, Abby Chatfield was rated a strong
six point sixty six, and I do remember back when
Sydney was in lockdown and people were protesting, that rate
was around the twenty five percent mark. But of course,
as I said, it is based on the influencer's last
(13:54):
twenty post, so.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It has gone down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But if you put it into perspective, twenty five percent
engagement is huge. Oh it is. Well, Sarah's day is
actually beating Abby out at the moment with a percentage
of seven point four five and I do think this
is due to the fact that she is pregnant, because
when an influencer is coming up to a big life
milestone like a wedding or giving birth, a lot of
(14:19):
people are monitoring their account. So you can see with
Sarah she's very active on an Instagram story. She's also
very active on her grid and a lot of people
are always commenting, so it's it's quite obvious that her
following is very genuine. Chloe Zepp also had a high
engagement rate, which I was a little bit surprised about.
Her engagement rate was five point two nine percent, and
(14:40):
Shany Grimman had three point zero nine percent. Can I
give a bit of a humble brag here? My dog Archie,
who's Instagram handle for anyone who's interested, is Archie has
got the Golden Cocker. He had a seven percent engagement rate,
so he was.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Up there with Sarah's day. Well, can I just brag here?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I looked myself up on social blame than I have
earned over nine percent engagement rate because I don't account
your personal account one thousand followers, but I'm saying it
that's how beaut it is because if you have less followers.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well she's not thirty one thousand.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, Amy, maybe you should be getting some Dior and
Gucci because I had to look at Jardi Tunci's engagement
rate and hers is at one point five eight percent,
Sophie Kasha had one point seventy five, and Katia Milan
had one point eight eight. Now I find this a
little bit strange. So, despite Madison Wooly being a verified
Social Blade user, her engagement rate and average likes and
(15:33):
comments were unable to be accessed.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So it's weird.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
She had a little tick verifying that you know, this
was her Social Blade account.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So I'm wondering, if.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You are a member and you're verified, if you can
hide that sort of information. And if that is the case,
I wonder why she wants to hide her engagement rate.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, it said she apparently had forty thousand new followers
in the last thirty days, which I don't know. It
sounds odd to me.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's a little bit suspicious.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And on the topic of Madison Wooly, her ex Jonathan
Sower he has an engagement rate of zero point eight
three percent and he's also had nine hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And thirty people unfollow him in the last thirty days.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Well, it kind of plays into what Ozzie influencder opinions
were saying the other day when he posted those rather
strange photos promoting an alcohol brand and he literally had
to comment on his own photos.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I wonder how many of those comments are his own.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
You're tacking, I hate you?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Okay, you've seen me after class.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Beg Jarder's port her active where brand Jagged from major
retailers and closed a flagship store at Brighton. The news
follows the label ditching its men's range less than a
year ago following low sales. Kate, is this the end
of Jagged? Well, while it's not looking good. A source
told The Daily Telegraph that Jagged saw unexpected growth throughout
(16:47):
the pandemic, in saying that though the company's financials have
never been made public, and I personally find this very
hard to believe because of someone who is on Jagged's
email list, I have been inundated with for more than
a year now, and recently they had fifty to seventy
percent off their recent collection. So just for a little
bit of a history lesson on Jagged, bet Co founded
(17:10):
the brand with Michelle green Back in twenty thirteen, and
for such a long time it has been known as
a go to brand. So many influencers and well known
people have worked with it. They've had Laura Henshaw have
a collaboration Jennifer Hawkins, and I have got to say
I love Jagged. About three years ago. I was obsessed.
Every time they had a launch, I was online trying
(17:32):
to get it, and I have bought myself a lot
of Jagged tights in the past. I still wear the
very iconic black with the jagged around the ankle, and
I've had them for four years and they are only
starting to wear in the knee. However, I also have
had more of their newer legans. And I don't know
about you guys, but I feel like they have changed
(17:53):
the material and I don't know if this has anything
to do with it. Maybe it's a cheaper material. I
was looking at the Tag China work out and there's
something going on with Jagged. You've got to say it
because beck, as we said, has she's got rid of
the flagship store. It's no longer online. It says that
it is permanently closed. They have also cut ties with
major retailers including Maya the Iconic, so you literally cannot
(18:18):
buy Jagged anywhere except their own online store. I was
so upset because, like U Kate, I bought a pair
of these signature Jagged legings and I remember I was
wearing them. I think we were actually recording a podcast
and I was walking out of Amy's house and I
just had my feet slipped into my sand.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
She said, didn't die the.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Lot properly, and I literally fell over in her front yard,
which has all these pebbles over I twisted my ankle
and managed to somehow tear open these pants. And I've
been so upset because I've tried to get others, but
the material just isn't the same. I know it's devastating
because Reese has brought me so many pairs of tights
(18:58):
for birthdays and Christmases, and I've feld I just never
wear them because they're really uncomfortable. I just they're too tight,
they feel funny. And I don't mean to bag them
out because I would love to see a resurgence from Jagged.
I would love to them to go back to their
roots and get the better material back in. But I
their problems beck go and buy the previous types it
(19:19):
used to have made. I've actually I read an article
the other day that said that the Udi's, the guy
that runs that has actually fired a load of staff
because they hired more over Covid because Udi's just sold out.
So maybe it's the same thing that maybe they just
have too many staff at Jagged or do you reckon
that they spent a huge budget on the influencers to
(19:39):
promote the different lines as well, and maybe the influencers
were getting a cut and then they haven't been able
to make much revenue from there. Well, let's be honest,
it's quite clear that Covid has affected their business, and
it is a common move for companies to get rid
of their brick and mortar store and actually move online.
And while that may make sense for me, it doesn't
(20:02):
really make sense that they're cutting ties with the Iconic
and Mayer Like, if you were moving to just a
purely online strategy, wouldn't you keep your products on those
very well known websites or the decision might have not
been made by them. It sounds like it was perhaps
made by the stores. Would you guys think that maybe
Beck is losing a bit of her notoriety or currency.
(20:22):
Because if you think about it, if she started Jagged
in twenty thirteen, that was almost nine years ago, do
you think that she's lost a bit of favor throughout
the pandemic. I know a lot of people thought she'd
lost touch, with making comments about being stuck in her mansion.
I did think that, But I did think that their
marketing strategy around engaging very well known, loved influences and
(20:44):
bringing out lines with their face being on them was.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Actually a really good move.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Perhaps they needed to continue to engage that strategy because
recently Beck seems to have been the face of a
lot of their new collections, so potentially they need to go.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Back can do that again.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I mean, it might just be that people like yourselves, Kate,
have noticed that they've changed their manufacturer, and maybe people
just aren't happy with the products and that's why they're
selling them off cheap now, and hopefully they might bring
in some products that people enjoy. This sounds bad, but
as soon as they started doing the sales, because for me,
Jagged is quite an expensive brand. It used to be
(21:21):
seen as a bit of a luxury brand. If you
were wearing Jagged, you know, I used to be like, Oh,
they're so cool. However, now since they've been having the
big sales, it's kind of cheapened the brand.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It reminds me when.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Paul Frank when we were teenagers, used to be sold
in trims and it was very expensive t shirts. I
think they were like fifty bucks, which at the moment
doesn't sound expensive, but when we were younger back in
our day, that was expensive. Then somehow Big w got
the rights to Paul Frank, and then I was like, oh,
I don't want to wear Paul Frank.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Got anything to do with that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well, I for one am hoping that they make a
resurgence because I would love to get a new black
pair of jack tides.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That actually feel good.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, I'm selling my pair of jagged tights on Facebook
marketplace that are too small for me, so it might
be there might be more of a collector's item.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Now you don't care about stuff like if it's sad
act like I don't do. Do you know, I'll think
you have this this narrative in your mind. No, no, no,
I will literally shut you up if you mention it again.
Literally shut the up and don't laugh like that you
look like a freak. Okay, but honestly change the narrative
(22:29):
in your mind. I work my assa.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
This week, everyone has been talking about Glassgate on masks
and for those who haven't seen it, Amy, can.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You fill us in.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, So, this week all the contestants stayed at a
couple's retreat and there was a heated exchange between Olivia
and Dom at a girl's night and this ended in
Dom smashing a wine glass on the table. So let's
have a listen to what went down.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I'm sorry, Am I boring you?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Notion is so boring that it's like she got her
ass handed to her.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
We've all been there.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
I'm sick of hearing all the time. I'm sick of
your voice yelling all the time. I'm bored of your voice.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I'm bored.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm bored of your voice.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Is yelling all the time. I'm losing my mind. It's
all I hear all the time, is you yelling. I
go to be and I hear you yelling in your room.
I'm sick of it yelling. I've heard you tonight is yell.
I'm sick of it, dog, I'm sick.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Of it yelling.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
In my room.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I'm trying to.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Speak in yours in there going I'm bored. I'm bored.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
I'm bored.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm bored of you yelling. Well, I was literally talking
to myself and saying the conversation I'm talking.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
It's really brute, dog, I'm sick. It's just the way
she talks, A nice way to speak to people.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That's my voice.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's not okay.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So my voice isn't okay?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Apparently not?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Is she furious?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I think like from.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Like so. Following this exchange, Dom did apologize to the
group for smashing the glass. She explained that her voice
is something that she's been bullied about for years, and
previously she's been told by people not to speak up
and to be quiet, so she said it brought back
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a lot of past emotions. But Olivia wasn't having a
bar of this explanation. She said there was no excuse
for the way Dom reacted. She also falsely claimed to
the group that Dom had waved the broken glass in
her face, which just didn't happen at all. And since
this incident, there has been a lot of tension between
Olivia and Dom, and it's all anybody can talk about.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
On social media right now.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So in the space of a week, Olivia has gone
from being the sweetheart of married at first sights to
the resident mean girl. And it's been really interesting how
this has all played out.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
On the show.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Now for those who aren't watching Maths, like me getting
confused with the names going back and forth. Now, just
to point out, Olivia isn't the one who smashed the glass,
but she is the one that everyone seems to have
an issue with. Why is that the case, Amy, because
you showed me the clip and I was quite confused
because I thought that Dom would be the one who
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was being villainized for smashing a glass.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, it is very interesting because at the start of Maths,
Olivia was portrayed as this sweetheart and so she previously
was a career for her dad who sadly, sadly passed away.
So that has been a huge storyline for Olivia that
she's looking for love and she wishes her dad was
here to be able to meet Jackson. She and Jackson
have been the success story of the show so far.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, hadn't.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
She also lost a lot of weight and she was
clearly feeling a bit self conscious being on a show
like this with the types of women who were generally
on these TV shows. Yeah, that has also been her
storyline about her weight loss. But interesting, we did see
a different side to Olivia, and this was shown right
before the glass smashing incident. So Olivia was seen on
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camera talking about being a bridesmaid for a friend. So
she said her friend had picked out what she described
as pooh brown colored bridesmaid's dresses for everybody, and when
her friend asked her what she thought of the dresses
after purchasing them, she said she thought they looked awful
and she didn't know why she'd got them. This resulted
in her friend kicking Olivia out of the bridal party,
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and then shockingly, Olivia revealed that she had cut up
the pooh brown dress into five pieces and mailed it
back to the bride. And this was so out of
character for everything that we have seen about her. For
those who haven't seen the pooh brown dresses, I really
didn't think they were as bad as Olivia was making
them out to be.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
They actually were quite nice.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The thing is, by Olivia calling it pooh brown, you've
already got an idea of what the dress looks like.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
However, if she had said chocolate.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Brown, which chocolate and pooh are pretty similar colors, then
you know might think, oh, that's very in fashion. At
the moment, I was shocked because I've got to admit
I have given up on maths. I just couldn't keep
up with all of the episodes. I'm still trying to
work out if I will try and catch up, because
it seems to have gotten quite good, and I love
all the controversy, but I was shocked that Olivia has
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been cast as a villain. She seems so lovely at
the start, and I wonder was it that she did
got a really good edit to begin with, and it's
more interesting now to paint her as a villain or
I mean, do you guys think that her relationship is
going to break down because of this? Well, they're hinting
that Jackson's not happy with their behavior. But to answer
your question, Sovie, I think the reason why everybody is
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not having a go at Dom for smashing the glass
is basically because she's been such a likable character on
the show. She's been the one that's been upfront and
honest to all of the contestants. She's a real Girl's Girl.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
She called out.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Jack for not having sex with her while she was
on her period, and at dinner part She's always stood
up for her friends and called people out on their bullshit.
So I think if this glass smashing incident had happened,
say five years ago, I think we all might have thought,
oh shit, Dom is clearly the villain. But I think
we're now used to seeing strong women on TV, and
we actually like seeing women stick up for themselves. I
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am really surprised by this story arc from Maths because
it would have been a lot easier for them to
have cast Dom as the villain. She's very outspoken, she
says it how it is. However, Olivia she had the
perfect backstory, So I wonder what's happened, Like, has Olivia
pissed off her producer and they're like, fuck it, we're
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gonna make her look bad or is this just her
true personality coming out as she becomes more comfortable in
front of the camera. I wonder if Dom was really
nervous watching Maths come out, because obviously you don't know
how you're going to be edited, and if you're watching
it and you're seeing Olivia get this great portrayal on there,
and she's probably thinking sitting there, thinking, fuck, I'm gonna
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be the villain. No one's gonna dislike this perfect, lovely
kind girl, this fantastic backstory. But yeah, it's crazy to
see how fans have reacted. Well, I think it's interesting
with MATHS because sometimes the more scandalous you are, the
more popular you become from the show, and the more
opportunities that come out of MATHS, because we've seen that
with Martha from math and I think that Dom is
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going to come out of Maths being the most popular contestant.
She's already got double the followers that Olivia has, So
Dom has sixty one thousand whereas Olivia has thirty thousand.
She did have a bit of a headstart, but it
is quite clear that she is the front runner in
terms of popularity and she will be getting a lot
of brand deals you would assume. So obviously Olivia has
been copying it on social media because all of Australia
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seems to be team Dom. But knowing what I know
about reality TV and also the nature of social media,
I really have been thinking about Olivia's mental health, especially
because she has recently suffered the loss of her father,
and I did notice that comments are off on her
Instagram page, which is probably a wise idea, but I
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think sometimes we have to take a look at ourselves,
those that consume Maths, because people have been calling out
her behavior online and I totally get it, because she
has come across as quite awful in the most recent episodes.
But I think, what do we expect from Maths? People
have been criticizing Olivia recently, saying, oh, she went into
the dinner party looking for a fight, But isn't that
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the whole reason that we watch the show. We love
all of the drama, and if I'm being totally honest,
I have been watching Maths, but prior to this glass
smashing incident, I was getting bored.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
As I said before, I have dropped off in interest,
but I am now gonna start watching it again because
I've just been waiting for the drama. And why can't
we just take it for what it is. It is
a trashy reality TV show. These people have been cast
in certain roles. Let's just enjoy it. Let's not troll
the people involved. Let's just watch it, have some popcorn,
and enjoy it. To be fair to Olivia, maybe she
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was just so overwhelmed with anger because because she has
bitten her tongue so many times during these events that
she just erupted. You know, when you've just been biting
your tongue and you just can't control your anger anymore.
That's what seems like has happened here. To be fair,
I feel like that was more Dom because Dom like
the in terms of smashing the glass, like that was
Dom's relief because she had just been copying it from
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all angles, people abusing her, abusing her, abusing her. The
thing with Olivia is I think that in our minds
she was typecasted at the start of the show as
being sweet and innocent.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
She's a teaching student, she is a career.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And then we kind of don't like the fact that
she's now got a bitchy side to her. It's kind
of like we're like, oh, that's not how she's supposed
to be, and we're totally outraged as an audience. Do
you guys want to dream.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I'm giving a bitch.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Netflix's highly anticipated reality show Byron Bays, which follows the
lives of a group of influencers, has been met with
mixed reactions. To kick us off, let's jump into the cast. Sophie,
can you give us a little bit of a rundown? Yeah, well,
it is a bit of a mixed cast. We first
start off with Sarah, who is the new girl in
town who's moved to Byron Bay to further her music career.
(32:11):
So far, I found her a little bit boring. She's
kind of the nice girl. Did you guys get the
vibe that she is the Lauren Conrad of the Hills
because the opening scene was her driving from her hometown
to Byron Bay in a yellow jeep and it's very
reminiscent of the starting of The Hills when Lauren is
driving from Laguna Peach to.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
La Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It did have very much vintage Hills vibe to her
in that scene. The next character that I wanted to
introduce everyone to is Hannah, and she is super quirky.
So she grew up in Byron Bay and she's very spiritual,
very into crystals, and she works at her family's popular
store called bisc Now. She describes herself as bohemian, eclectic,
(32:53):
and a little bit strange, and the one thing that
I really liked about Hannah is that she's invented a
new word that I think that we can all get around.
So basically, her mum asked her if she wanted a drink,
and she said.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'm good for a butcher.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Now, a butcher's of course a komb butcher, and we
love komb butcher, so I'm gonna have to start using
that one now. I have seen there as this trend
on TikTok where it's ten signs You're from Byron Bay,
based off Byron Bays the show. So basically one of
the lins is if you call kom butcher butch.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So really, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Did anyone else get Abby Chatfield vibes for Hannah Like,
not so much the personality, but she kind of looked
a little bit like her. Yeah, now that you mention it. Now,
Hannah is having a feud with the bell Sisters. There's
always got to be some sort of drama going on.
So the bell Sisters are Jess and Lauren and they
run a successful fashion line called Johansson, which rose to
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popularity when it was worn by Kylie Jennett. And they
I can't tell if they're trying to paint them as
the villains or Hannah as the villain. It's unclear at
this stage who is the villain of this show. We've
got to mention we have only watched one episode at
the time of recording, but we thought it was a
pivotal episode to talk about because this is when everyone
is introduced and the vibe that you get from it,
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and my vibe is that Hannah will be the villain
in this series.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So any of these people actually well known because I
haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, So there were two that I recognized. One is
Nathan so they say he works in digital marketing, but
I know him from being on The Bachelor and Bachelor
in Paradise. And his roommate is Ilius, who was on
the first series of Love Island. And I only remember
Ilias because he's literally always modeling clothes on my news
feed on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
He was the one that was in Big w you
remember and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, there's also Jade Kevin Foster and he claims to
be the most followed man in Australia on Instagram with
one point two million followers. And it's funny because I
had no idea who he was. We do an influencer podcast.
I had never heard of him before. I agree with Alex,
who is the talent manager and so far my favorite
character because he seems like the most realist out of
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all of them. He is like, I call balls on
this guy. There is something not quite right about it,
and I have to agree he does. I had a
look at his Instagram and he does appear to be
kind of writing on the coattails of others, like he
was photographed with some other famous people. He actually kind
of reminded me of did you guys watch I'm a Celeb?
Get Me out of here? This year because they had
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a fake influencer called the David and he was a
pretend fashion designer, and they actually reminded me of each
other a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Jade explained in it that the way he grew his
following was that he met Kim Kardashian. I don't know
if it was at a meet and greet or what,
but basically they took a selfie together and she shared
a photo of him. So at the time he only
had eleven thousand followers. Then when Kim shared the photo, overnight,
he woke up and he had two hundred thousand new followers,
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So it is quite interesting to see how he grew
the following from then on. So many connections to the
Kardashians on this television show. I have to say, though,
despite the manager Alex kind of having question marks over Jade,
I thought he seemed quite cute in the start of
the episode, because it was quite clear that he didn't
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fit in at home. He really wanted to find a
group of people to be friends with. I mean, I
don't think this town is probably the right place to
make some meaningful friends. How's the snobbery about living on
the Gold Coast. Like the two characters Sarah and Jade,
they both have come over from the GZ to Barron
Bay and everyone's like mmmm, It's like, do they realize
the reputation that Byron Bay has. I did have to
(36:28):
laugh because another one of the characters is Nathan's roommate,
who is Elle, and she clearly has.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
The hots for him.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
She's so territorial over him, even though he has also
hooked up with Hannah. And we are first introduced to
Elle when she's making what she calls a ceremonial cocoo. So,
if you guys are interested in creating this for yourselves,
it is made from cocaw, cinnamon ashwanga, I can't pronounce
that promptly, medicinal mushrooms and coconut milk. I laughed when
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I heard this because I was like, oh, yep, yep, yep,
And then when she said medicinal mushrooms, I was like, oh,
that's very Byron Bay. I've got to admit I have
started watching the second episode whilst I was waiting for
you guys to start recording this, and there is a
very awkward scene where Nathan and Elle are in the
kitchen and there is so much tension, sexual tension there
because they're slapping each other with tea towels and I'm
(37:21):
just like, this is so weird. And then her partner
comes down and it's revealed that she actually has a
boyfriend that visits every two weeks. I think he lives elsewhere.
And I'm like, this is actually getting good because the
first episode is always a bit shit, and I've heard
a lot of reviews saying, you know, dragging the show,
but can we just appreciate it for what it is.
(37:43):
It's tacky reality and yes, it's nowhere near as good
as UK reality TV. It's nowhere near as good as
The Hills, but it's something I will keep watching it.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Is it very highly edited? I can you tell that
it's set up and everything.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yes, it's quite clear that it's the same as The Hills,
where they're like, let's get these people at a party
and let them interact. It does seem a little bit
more scripted, but I don't know if that's just because
it was a first episode and it was very stilted.
I still want to give it time. Maybe we should
give an update when we've all finished watching it. What
we thought.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I went back and watched The Hills, and the editing
on it is atrocious. You know me you don't realize
when you're younger, but all the words are cut up.
It's kind of like on The Simpsons when they do
that interview with Homer and the clocks moving in the background. Well,
I definitely do think this show must get better, because
they did show the sort of highlights, and they showed
Jade call Ilius and egotistical fuck and there's this huge
(38:37):
fight that breaks out. So I'm hanging out for that bit.
But as you say, Amy, there are a few lines
that do sound scripted. One of my favorite ones was
when one of the characters said, Byron Bay has a
strong power. If it wants you here, it'll let you in,
and if it doesn't, it'll spit you out. I was like,
Oh my god, who the hell wrote that? That reminds
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me of the rap that The Melbourne Housewives Produce gave
to the city of Melbourne. It's very reminiscent. I do
wonder if if there's any crossover in production team. I
want to know though, if they managed to get those
two from the Gold Coast over to live in Barren
Bay for the filming of the show, how did they
not get someone better? Like, surely there was someone better
that they could have shipped across to Byron Bay, like
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someone that we all know about. See. I feel like
some of the characters are kind of too stereotypical Barron
Bay for me, like just so spiritual. I mean, I
feel like I kind of wanted to see more of.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
A bitchier side of influencing that will come. That will come.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I mean, didn't you see them all pissing themselves as
laughing when they brought the sound healing.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
In true Well?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I also thought it was pretty funny that Hannah was
talking about growing up in Byron Bay, and she explained
that there are crystals all throughout the mountains in Byron Bay,
which helps keep all of the people there grounded. And
I thought, bloody hell, there's definitely not enough of them
there to keep that group of people grounded. Well, I
think that's all we have time for. I feel like
I'm gonna lose my voice if we keep going. Thank
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you so much for joining us for today's episode. If
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Hello, and welcome to Outspoken, your dose of the hottest
influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Amy
Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Kate
and Sophie. On today's show, Talia Skaanes engages a lawyer
following her breakup. Another Math's wine glass controversy Byron Bays
drops on Netflix and.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Is this the end of Jagged? But First?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Followers are speculating that Talia Skaines has taken a swipe
at her ex boyfriend Mitch Third during her recent YouTube
video Now Sophie. Although she didn't directly mention Mitch's name,
followers are convinced she's throwing shade at him.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, that's right, Amy.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
In her most recent weekly vlog, Tarlia said she wanted
to keep it real with her followers and opened up
about feeling really overwhelmed at the moment.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
She has recently visited Sydney and Newcastle and explained that
she was behind on work and had a million and
one things to do.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Amongst the list of things she had to do was
visit her lawyer. Here's what Tarlia say said.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I feel like I'm super hind on work.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I've just gotten home.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I've got to go see my lawyer and deal with
shit that I just don't want to deal with and
I shouldn't have to deal with. Like I said, I've
got to go and see my lawyer. Not loo forwarded
doing that, but one of those things, unfortunately I have
to deal with.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You guys would be absolutely.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Mind alone if he knew some of the shit that
I deal with behind closed doors.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
But anyway, I've got to go do with that today.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It's just one of those things. The shade didn't end there.
During the vlog, Talia also told her followers she'd been
watching the Netflix documentary The Tinder Swindler. Now that seems
innocent enough. However, many thought she was comparing Mitch's behavior
to that of The Tinder Swindler himself.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I do feel really bad for the girls, though I
know what it's like to be owed a lot of
money from someone, so I do really feel bad for them. Also,
the part where he's just like, he's so erratic, there's
one section of it which you guys will see. One minute,
he's full going hand like threatening these chicks, saying all
this horrible stuff. You're this, you're that, like threats, like
discussing behavior, and then next second he's saying I'm sorry,
(02:03):
I love you, like I'm sorry I did that, you know,
and just blaming her for his behavior like it's just
I know that behavior all too well. So, yeah, kat,
it really fucks.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Me up about it. When Talia said I know what
it's like to be owed a lot of money from someone,
she did pull a face during the video, and this
has led many to speculate that perhaps she is visiting
her lawyer because Mitch owes her money. Now, none of
that is confirmed. This is pure speculation at the moment.
So Mitch does own Third Fix the label, and Talia
joined forces with Mitch to start up Third Fix Collection,
(02:35):
where they sold Lounge where they also own a villa
in Bali together. So it looks like things maybe getting a.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Little bit messy.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah. Followers did weigh in in the comment section of
the YouTube video. So one user wrote, it seems that
so many female Aussie influencers have boyfriends that are financially
dependent on them. Happy that Talia is with someone her equal.
Another said, hope you aren't talking about Mitch when you
say you're owed money. Would hate to think there's bad
blood about business you owned and profited off together, whilst
(03:05):
another said I get the feeling that Taralia supported Mitch financially,
probably a reason contributing to their breakup. Now I've got
to point out that this, again is all speculation that
has been brought about because of Tarlia's comments in this video.
I do find the comment about female Aussie influencers supporting
their boyfriends quite an interesting one, because I do feel
(03:25):
like it is hard when you are a well known
influencer and then you bring your boyfriend into the mix
because automatically they get a whole load of followers and
new opportunities.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And I personally couldn't.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Help but feel a little bit pissed off if I
had set up a career for somebody on social media.
So I wonder if there's some feelings of resentment even
about that. Yeh. I thought it was really interesting to
hear Tarlia say that she was enraged when watching the
Tinder Swindler because she could relate to being gas lit
in a relationship, and if she is referring to her
relationship with Mitch, we really didn't see that side on
(03:58):
social media. He's really we seem like the model boyfriend.
We only saw the highlights reel. So I think that's
why it's difficult for followers to kind of hear these
things and try and make sense of them at the moment. Well,
isn't that just social media in general? Like you always
it's always those relationships that look really good on Instagram
that usually aren't working out behind the scenes. And I
think it's just a bit of a dose of reality
(04:20):
really because they know that they have to turn it
on on social media. Everyone wants to be couple goals,
and they definitely were, so I think that's why this
has come as such a shock to many people. And
I kind of foresee this considering that Talia has gone
well soft launched her boyfriend, like we spoke about earlier
this week, I think it was only a matter of
time before things got a little bit nasty online. And
(04:41):
I do wonder if this comment in question could be
in relation to the fact that when they did break up.
Clearly there's always an argument when you break up. And
then Mitch was seen posting a photo of him and
Talia at their school formal and you know, saying how
much he loves her and will always love her. Like
a bit of manipulation, yeah, that he's trying to look
like the good guy and flipping back and forth from
(05:03):
being angry and then sad. At the moment, it does
seem like a little bit of tit for tat, and
with both of them having big online profiles, I do
think we will hear from Mitch soon. I think he
will weigh in on this matter because it doesn't look
good for him personally with these this speculation surrounding him.
I do think that this breakup brings up some really
interesting things to consider about relationships and money because nowadays,
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more and more people are waiting longer to get married,
and they're purchasing properties first, or they're getting into business
with their significant others, and this has really put it
in the spotlight. And Talia did study law, so I
am hoping that before entering into these big life decisions,
the two of them did sit down and put some
contracts in place, because it could be a very messy situation.
(05:49):
What do you guys think about Talia generating this type
of speculation because she has edited this vlog, she knows
what she's putting out there. She knows people are going
to start asking questions and making conclusions. Do you think
it's fair? I would almost rather sit down and do
a tell all sort of video where she laid it
(06:09):
on the line, because I almost think the speculation is
a bit unfair because it almost doesn't give him room
for a reply. Well, we all know who she's referring
to on her videos. She has had a public breakup,
so in terms of defamation, it's already clear who she's
talking about. Look, I see both sides. I think that
if you're going to be vague on social media, it
can be just as damaging if you name the person legally,
(06:31):
because everybody can draw the conclusion that maybe she is
talking about Mitch. However, I do think that she has
spoken to a lawyer. She's probably angry about that process,
and she's wanting to share a bit of that online
with her following, And she thinks by cleverly saying a
few things, she's able to get across to her followers
maybe more of a better example of what she's going
(06:53):
through at the moment. Maybe it's because she looks like
the bad one in the relationship at the moment in
terms of she's moved on quicker, so it's almost like
she's can't trying to justify why she has done that
and with a close friend. Well, to be fair with
the whole relationship breakdown, I think before this she did
handle it really privately and she didn't really come out
and say anything to all the bait that was being
(07:14):
put out there when Mitch was reacting to her potentially
seeing new guys. So maybe she's just hit a point
where she's hard enough of it and there is a
lot going on behind the scenes and she's completely frustrated
by it. Maybe this is a bit of a warning.
If you don't stop, I'm gonna start saying more shit
that's I reckon, because she did say in the vlog,
you guys would have no idea what I've been going through.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's obviously been really awful for her.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
If you insult my wife again, you know what I'm
gonna do. I'm going to show up your house when
you're sleeping, and I'll take your eyepad or your eyepod
or your eye mac and I'll shove them up your
fucking eye.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Cun I got nothing to lose.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Your kid is the problem. My kid is a fucking angel,
I don't have time for this shit.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Abby Chatfield has revealed how she's managed to outearn Australia's
most followed influences. The podcaster and TV host gave the
insight into her social media strategy during her radio show
this week, Kate, can you tell us about Abby's secret
to success? Well, it's all about generating interactions on her
Instagram account, Abby, who has three hundred and eighty one
(08:13):
thousand followers, said she has been paid double the price
of what influences with one to two million followers received
for certain posts. She explained that brands care more about
impressions than they do about followers. Abby went on to
say impressions for the week are how many times your
account has been interacted with. She explained that likes, comments
and views are considered impressions now from someone who works
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in the social media advertising space, I just wanted to
clarify that I believe Abby meant to say engagement rather
than impressions, because engagement is a measurement of how your
audience is interacting with your content. So basically, any action
someone takes on your profile is engagement, So it could
be a like or a comment, However, impressions are different.
(08:57):
It actually is the number of times your content be
at post or story is shown to users, and impressions
are usually confused with reach. However, impressions are an estimate
of the total number of people your content has the
potential to reach, rather than how many people it actually
has reached.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
See Kay.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I actually think she did mean impressions because I had
a look at how influencers now work out what to charge,
and often the formula now in twenty twenty two is
that you look at how many impressions you have had, say,
for example, for an Instagram story, and then new times
it by I think it was zero point one point five,
and you work out what your rate is. Well, it's
(09:34):
fair to say the impressions and engagement are very important
to influencers. But what Abby said was she was talking
about generating interactions on her account. And now Instagram has
introduced the ability to like stories, but stories aren't as
interactive as of grid posts. So that is engagement on
a post. As someone who runs social media accounts, so
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you want to drive people to start commenting, liking, and
sharing on your post. That's why on Facebook news websites
do so well, because they're always creating controversial discussions on
their posts, and that's why they're always driven up the
Facebook algorithm. There is that long running joke that you'll
often see influencers put up the do you prefer this
or that? On their Insta stories, and that's because they
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want people to actually press and engage with their content.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
As you're saying, Okay, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Funny you say that, Amy, because Instagram stories are a
big part of Abby's overall social media strategy. So she
said she puts up so many stories because it all
works towards her daily impressions and engagement, which then increases
her value as an influencer.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And I don't know about you guys, but I really.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Like the fact that she was talking about her strategy
because sometimes when you go on social media, it can
seem as if these influencers have just gotten lucky with
their followers. However, with Abby, yeah, she got a kickstart
being on the Bachelor, but she has managed to grow
and become one of I think the biggest stars from
that franchise by putting it by putting a lot of
effort into her social media. Well, I'm actually glad to
(11:02):
hear that is part of her strategy, and it's obviously
a part of other influencers strategies because often I go
on and I'll click on a well known influencers account
and they've posted about one hundred stories and it's not
even ten am oh. I enjoy it though, because I
feel like Instagram story is the new vlog. Like influencers
like it because they have to put in very little
(11:22):
effort in terms of editing, but you still get an
insight into their life. It is funny when you compare
how Abby has spoken about her strategy to other influencers,
because I've heard another influencer talk about apparently growing their
audience and how you get followers, and it was so
obvious that they had literally no idea, and it made
me just think that this person had bought their followers
(11:43):
because they spoke about how you have to create an
aesthetic feed and take nice pictures. But I don't think
that cuts it anymore. I think as an influencer these days,
you have to be creating conversations on your channel, and
you need to be on top of the latest trends,
and as I said before, you have to be constantly
vlogging your day You've got to work on creating that
parasocial relationship with your followers, because at the end of
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the day, that is going to result in brands wanting
to partner with you. I feel like that old school
approach of making everything aesthetic only really relates to fashion
brands now or people who are trying to build a
brand on Instagram that's just for you know, shopping online.
I don't think, as you say, it applies to influences anymore.
People do want to be aspirational, but people also want
(12:26):
to get to know you and see the real side
of you. I actually think that brands who continue to
post esthetic photos and videos are going to be left
behind though, because people don't want to see that anymore. Yeah,
but think about high end fashion brands that want women
to easily look at the feed and shop from their clothes.
It's a little bit different there. Yeah, but it's I
think afluence of brands that are aesthetics and it's like,
(12:49):
we all know you got them from Ali Baba. I
think in terms of clothing, though, you can do something
aesthetically pleasing in the form of paid advertising. So it
might be an advertise that pops up on an insta
story and that really captures your attention. But I think
with the feed post, people don't really like them. I
mean personally, I'm on Instagram more for stories and then
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also real it's like pictures don't really do it for
me anymore unless it's my friend or my family members
and I'm actually excited to see it. I don't really
want to see a very curated image on Instagram because
I just see that as an ad and scroll past.
I don't engage with it at all. Now, on the
topic of influencers, I thought it'd be fun to have
a look at their engagement rate, so we jumped on
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Social Blade, which calculates influencers engagement rates based on their
last twenty images. Now, Abby Chatfield was rated a strong
six point sixty six, and I do remember back when
Sydney was in lockdown and people were protesting, that rate
was around the twenty five percent mark. But of course,
as I said, it is based on the influencer's last
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twenty post, so.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It has gone down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But if you put it into perspective, twenty five percent
engagement is huge. Oh it is. Well, Sarah's day is
actually beating Abby out at the moment with a percentage
of seven point four five and I do think this
is due to the fact that she is pregnant, because
when an influencer is coming up to a big life
milestone like a wedding or giving birth, a lot of
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people are monitoring their account. So you can see with
Sarah she's very active on an Instagram story. She's also
very active on her grid and a lot of people
are always commenting, so it's it's quite obvious that her
following is very genuine. Chloe Zepp also had a high
engagement rate, which I was a little bit surprised about.
Her engagement rate was five point two nine percent, and
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Shany Grimman had three point zero nine percent. Can I
give a bit of a humble brag here? My dog Archie,
who's Instagram handle for anyone who's interested, is Archie has
got the Golden Cocker. He had a seven percent engagement rate,
so he was.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Up there with Sarah's day. Well, can I just brag here?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I looked myself up on social blame than I have
earned over nine percent engagement rate because I don't account
your personal account one thousand followers, but I'm saying it
that's how beaut it is because if you have less followers.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well she's not thirty one thousand.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, Amy, maybe you should be getting some Dior and
Gucci because I had to look at Jardi Tunci's engagement
rate and hers is at one point five eight percent,
Sophie Kasha had one point seventy five, and Katia Milan
had one point eight eight. Now I find this a
little bit strange. So, despite Madison Wooly being a verified
Social Blade user, her engagement rate and average likes and
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comments were unable to be accessed.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So it's weird.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
She had a little tick verifying that you know, this
was her Social Blade account.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So I'm wondering, if.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You are a member and you're verified, if you can
hide that sort of information. And if that is the case,
I wonder why she wants to hide her engagement rate.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, it said she apparently had forty thousand new followers
in the last thirty days, which I don't know. It
sounds odd to me.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's a little bit suspicious.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And on the topic of Madison Wooly, her ex Jonathan
Sower he has an engagement rate of zero point eight
three percent and he's also had nine hundred.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And thirty people unfollow him in the last thirty days.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Well, it kind of plays into what Ozzie influencder opinions
were saying the other day when he posted those rather
strange photos promoting an alcohol brand and he literally had
to comment on his own photos.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I wonder how many of those comments are his own.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
You're tacking, I hate you?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Okay, you've seen me after class.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Beg Jarder's port her active where brand Jagged from major
retailers and closed a flagship store at Brighton. The news
follows the label ditching its men's range less than a
year ago following low sales. Kate, is this the end
of Jagged? Well, while it's not looking good. A source
told The Daily Telegraph that Jagged saw unexpected growth throughout
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the pandemic, in saying that though the company's financials have
never been made public, and I personally find this very
hard to believe because of someone who is on Jagged's
email list, I have been inundated with for more than
a year now, and recently they had fifty to seventy
percent off their recent collection. So just for a little
bit of a history lesson on Jagged, bet Co founded
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the brand with Michelle green Back in twenty thirteen, and
for such a long time it has been known as
a go to brand. So many influencers and well known
people have worked with it. They've had Laura Henshaw have
a collaboration Jennifer Hawkins, and I have got to say
I love Jagged. About three years ago. I was obsessed.
Every time they had a launch, I was online trying
(17:32):
to get it, and I have bought myself a lot
of Jagged tights in the past. I still wear the
very iconic black with the jagged around the ankle, and
I've had them for four years and they are only
starting to wear in the knee. However, I also have
had more of their newer legans. And I don't know
about you guys, but I feel like they have changed
(17:53):
the material and I don't know if this has anything
to do with it. Maybe it's a cheaper material. I
was looking at the Tag China work out and there's
something going on with Jagged. You've got to say it
because beck, as we said, has she's got rid of
the flagship store. It's no longer online. It says that
it is permanently closed. They have also cut ties with
major retailers including Maya the Iconic, so you literally cannot
(18:18):
buy Jagged anywhere except their own online store. I was
so upset because, like U Kate, I bought a pair
of these signature Jagged legings and I remember I was
wearing them. I think we were actually recording a podcast
and I was walking out of Amy's house and I
just had my feet slipped into my sand.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
She said, didn't die the.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Lot properly, and I literally fell over in her front yard,
which has all these pebbles over I twisted my ankle
and managed to somehow tear open these pants. And I've
been so upset because I've tried to get others, but
the material just isn't the same. I know it's devastating
because Reese has brought me so many pairs of tights
(18:58):
for birthdays and Christmases, and I've feld I just never
wear them because they're really uncomfortable. I just they're too tight,
they feel funny. And I don't mean to bag them
out because I would love to see a resurgence from Jagged.
I would love to them to go back to their
roots and get the better material back in. But I
their problems beck go and buy the previous types it
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used to have made. I've actually I read an article
the other day that said that the Udi's, the guy
that runs that has actually fired a load of staff
because they hired more over Covid because Udi's just sold out.
So maybe it's the same thing that maybe they just
have too many staff at Jagged or do you reckon
that they spent a huge budget on the influencers to
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promote the different lines as well, and maybe the influencers
were getting a cut and then they haven't been able
to make much revenue from there. Well, let's be honest,
it's quite clear that Covid has affected their business, and
it is a common move for companies to get rid
of their brick and mortar store and actually move online.
And while that may make sense for me, it doesn't
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really make sense that they're cutting ties with the Iconic
and Mayer Like, if you were moving to just a
purely online strategy, wouldn't you keep your products on those
very well known websites or the decision might have not
been made by them. It sounds like it was perhaps
made by the stores. Would you guys think that maybe
Beck is losing a bit of her notoriety or currency.
(20:22):
Because if you think about it, if she started Jagged
in twenty thirteen, that was almost nine years ago, do
you think that she's lost a bit of favor throughout
the pandemic. I know a lot of people thought she'd
lost touch, with making comments about being stuck in her mansion.
I did think that, But I did think that their
marketing strategy around engaging very well known, loved influences and
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bringing out lines with their face being on them was.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Actually a really good move.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Perhaps they needed to continue to engage that strategy because
recently Beck seems to have been the face of a
lot of their new collections, so potentially they need to go.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Back can do that again.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I mean, it might just be that people like yourselves, Kate,
have noticed that they've changed their manufacturer, and maybe people
just aren't happy with the products and that's why they're
selling them off cheap now, and hopefully they might bring
in some products that people enjoy. This sounds bad, but
as soon as they started doing the sales, because for me,
Jagged is quite an expensive brand. It used to be
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seen as a bit of a luxury brand. If you
were wearing Jagged, you know, I used to be like, Oh,
they're so cool. However, now since they've been having the
big sales, it's kind of cheapened the brand.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It reminds me when.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Paul Frank when we were teenagers, used to be sold
in trims and it was very expensive t shirts. I
think they were like fifty bucks, which at the moment
doesn't sound expensive, but when we were younger back in
our day, that was expensive. Then somehow Big w got
the rights to Paul Frank, and then I was like, oh,
I don't want to wear Paul Frank.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Got anything to do with that? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well, I for one am hoping that they make a
resurgence because I would love to get a new black
pair of jack tides.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That actually feel good.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, I'm selling my pair of jagged tights on Facebook
marketplace that are too small for me, so it might
be there might be more of a collector's item.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Now you don't care about stuff like if it's sad
act like I don't do. Do you know, I'll think
you have this this narrative in your mind. No, no, no,
I will literally shut you up if you mention it again.
Literally shut the up and don't laugh like that you
look like a freak. Okay, but honestly change the narrative
(22:29):
in your mind. I work my assa.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
This week, everyone has been talking about Glassgate on masks
and for those who haven't seen it, Amy, can.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You fill us in.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, So, this week all the contestants stayed at a
couple's retreat and there was a heated exchange between Olivia
and Dom at a girl's night and this ended in
Dom smashing a wine glass on the table. So let's
have a listen to what went down.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
I'm sorry, Am I boring you?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Notion is so boring that it's like she got her
ass handed to her.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
We've all been there.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
I'm sick of hearing all the time. I'm sick of
your voice yelling all the time. I'm bored of your voice.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I'm bored.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm bored of your voice.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Is yelling all the time. I'm losing my mind. It's
all I hear all the time, is you yelling. I
go to be and I hear you yelling in your room.
I'm sick of it yelling. I've heard you tonight is yell.
I'm sick of it, dog, I'm sick.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Of it yelling.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
In my room.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I'm trying to.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Speak in yours in there going I'm bored. I'm bored.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
I'm bored.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm bored of you yelling. Well, I was literally talking
to myself and saying the conversation I'm talking.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
It's really brute, dog, I'm sick. It's just the way
she talks, A nice way to speak to people.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That's my voice.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's not okay.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So my voice isn't okay?
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Apparently not?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Is she furious?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I think like from.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Like so. Following this exchange, Dom did apologize to the
group for smashing the glass. She explained that her voice
is something that she's been bullied about for years, and
previously she's been told by people not to speak up
and to be quiet, so she said it brought back
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a lot of past emotions. But Olivia wasn't having a
bar of this explanation. She said there was no excuse
for the way Dom reacted. She also falsely claimed to
the group that Dom had waved the broken glass in
her face, which just didn't happen at all. And since
this incident, there has been a lot of tension between
Olivia and Dom, and it's all anybody can talk about.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
On social media right now.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So in the space of a week, Olivia has gone
from being the sweetheart of married at first sights to
the resident mean girl. And it's been really interesting how
this has all played out.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
On the show.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Now for those who aren't watching Maths, like me getting
confused with the names going back and forth. Now, just
to point out, Olivia isn't the one who smashed the glass,
but she is the one that everyone seems to have
an issue with. Why is that the case, Amy, because
you showed me the clip and I was quite confused
because I thought that Dom would be the one who
(25:20):
was being villainized for smashing a glass.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, it is very interesting because at the start of Maths,
Olivia was portrayed as this sweetheart and so she previously
was a career for her dad who sadly, sadly passed away.
So that has been a huge storyline for Olivia that
she's looking for love and she wishes her dad was
here to be able to meet Jackson. She and Jackson
have been the success story of the show so far.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, hadn't.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
She also lost a lot of weight and she was
clearly feeling a bit self conscious being on a show
like this with the types of women who were generally
on these TV shows. Yeah, that has also been her
storyline about her weight loss. But interesting, we did see
a different side to Olivia, and this was shown right
before the glass smashing incident. So Olivia was seen on
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camera talking about being a bridesmaid for a friend. So
she said her friend had picked out what she described
as pooh brown colored bridesmaid's dresses for everybody, and when
her friend asked her what she thought of the dresses
after purchasing them, she said she thought they looked awful
and she didn't know why she'd got them. This resulted
in her friend kicking Olivia out of the bridal party,
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and then shockingly, Olivia revealed that she had cut up
the pooh brown dress into five pieces and mailed it
back to the bride. And this was so out of
character for everything that we have seen about her. For
those who haven't seen the pooh brown dresses, I really
didn't think they were as bad as Olivia was making
them out to be.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
They actually were quite nice.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The thing is, by Olivia calling it pooh brown, you've
already got an idea of what the dress looks like.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
However, if she had said chocolate.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Brown, which chocolate and pooh are pretty similar colors, then
you know might think, oh, that's very in fashion. At
the moment, I was shocked because I've got to admit
I have given up on maths. I just couldn't keep
up with all of the episodes. I'm still trying to
work out if I will try and catch up, because
it seems to have gotten quite good, and I love
all the controversy, but I was shocked that Olivia has
(27:18):
been cast as a villain. She seems so lovely at
the start, and I wonder was it that she did
got a really good edit to begin with, and it's
more interesting now to paint her as a villain or
I mean, do you guys think that her relationship is
going to break down because of this? Well, they're hinting
that Jackson's not happy with their behavior. But to answer
your question, Sovie, I think the reason why everybody is
(27:42):
not having a go at Dom for smashing the glass
is basically because she's been such a likable character on
the show. She's been the one that's been upfront and
honest to all of the contestants. She's a real Girl's Girl.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
She called out.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Jack for not having sex with her while she was
on her period, and at dinner part She's always stood
up for her friends and called people out on their bullshit.
So I think if this glass smashing incident had happened,
say five years ago, I think we all might have thought,
oh shit, Dom is clearly the villain. But I think
we're now used to seeing strong women on TV, and
we actually like seeing women stick up for themselves. I
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am really surprised by this story arc from Maths because
it would have been a lot easier for them to
have cast Dom as the villain. She's very outspoken, she
says it how it is. However, Olivia she had the
perfect backstory, So I wonder what's happened, Like, has Olivia
pissed off her producer and they're like, fuck it, we're
(28:37):
gonna make her look bad or is this just her
true personality coming out as she becomes more comfortable in
front of the camera. I wonder if Dom was really
nervous watching Maths come out, because obviously you don't know
how you're going to be edited, and if you're watching
it and you're seeing Olivia get this great portrayal on there,
and she's probably thinking sitting there, thinking, fuck, I'm gonna
(28:58):
be the villain. No one's gonna dislike this perfect, lovely
kind girl, this fantastic backstory. But yeah, it's crazy to
see how fans have reacted. Well, I think it's interesting
with MATHS because sometimes the more scandalous you are, the
more popular you become from the show, and the more
opportunities that come out of MATHS, because we've seen that
with Martha from math and I think that Dom is
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going to come out of Maths being the most popular contestant.
She's already got double the followers that Olivia has, So
Dom has sixty one thousand whereas Olivia has thirty thousand.
She did have a bit of a headstart, but it
is quite clear that she is the front runner in
terms of popularity and she will be getting a lot
of brand deals you would assume. So obviously Olivia has
been copying it on social media because all of Australia
(29:43):
seems to be team Dom. But knowing what I know
about reality TV and also the nature of social media,
I really have been thinking about Olivia's mental health, especially
because she has recently suffered the loss of her father,
and I did notice that comments are off on her
Instagram page, which is probably a wise idea, but I
(30:03):
think sometimes we have to take a look at ourselves,
those that consume Maths, because people have been calling out
her behavior online and I totally get it, because she
has come across as quite awful in the most recent episodes.
But I think, what do we expect from Maths? People
have been criticizing Olivia recently, saying, oh, she went into
the dinner party looking for a fight, But isn't that
(30:24):
the whole reason that we watch the show. We love
all of the drama, and if I'm being totally honest,
I have been watching Maths, but prior to this glass
smashing incident, I was getting bored.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
As I said before, I have dropped off in interest,
but I am now gonna start watching it again because
I've just been waiting for the drama. And why can't
we just take it for what it is. It is
a trashy reality TV show. These people have been cast
in certain roles. Let's just enjoy it. Let's not troll
the people involved. Let's just watch it, have some popcorn,
and enjoy it. To be fair to Olivia, maybe she
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was just so overwhelmed with anger because because she has
bitten her tongue so many times during these events that
she just erupted. You know, when you've just been biting
your tongue and you just can't control your anger anymore.
That's what seems like has happened here. To be fair,
I feel like that was more Dom because Dom like
the in terms of smashing the glass, like that was
Dom's relief because she had just been copying it from
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all angles, people abusing her, abusing her, abusing her. The
thing with Olivia is I think that in our minds
she was typecasted at the start of the show as
being sweet and innocent.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
She's a teaching student, she is a career.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And then we kind of don't like the fact that
she's now got a bitchy side to her. It's kind
of like we're like, oh, that's not how she's supposed
to be, and we're totally outraged as an audience. Do
you guys want to dream.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I'm giving a bitch.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Netflix's highly anticipated reality show Byron Bays, which follows the
lives of a group of influencers, has been met with
mixed reactions. To kick us off, let's jump into the cast. Sophie,
can you give us a little bit of a rundown? Yeah, well,
it is a bit of a mixed cast. We first
start off with Sarah, who is the new girl in
town who's moved to Byron Bay to further her music career.
(32:11):
So far, I found her a little bit boring. She's
kind of the nice girl. Did you guys get the
vibe that she is the Lauren Conrad of the Hills
because the opening scene was her driving from her hometown
to Byron Bay in a yellow jeep and it's very
reminiscent of the starting of The Hills when Lauren is
driving from Laguna Peach to.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
La Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It did have very much vintage Hills vibe to her
in that scene. The next character that I wanted to
introduce everyone to is Hannah, and she is super quirky.
So she grew up in Byron Bay and she's very spiritual,
very into crystals, and she works at her family's popular
store called bisc Now. She describes herself as bohemian, eclectic,
(32:53):
and a little bit strange, and the one thing that
I really liked about Hannah is that she's invented a
new word that I think that we can all get around.
So basically, her mum asked her if she wanted a drink,
and she said.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'm good for a butcher.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Now, a butcher's of course a komb butcher, and we
love komb butcher, so I'm gonna have to start using
that one now. I have seen there as this trend
on TikTok where it's ten signs You're from Byron Bay,
based off Byron Bays the show. So basically one of
the lins is if you call kom butcher butch.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So really, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Did anyone else get Abby Chatfield vibes for Hannah Like,
not so much the personality, but she kind of looked
a little bit like her. Yeah, now that you mention it. Now,
Hannah is having a feud with the bell Sisters. There's
always got to be some sort of drama going on.
So the bell Sisters are Jess and Lauren and they
run a successful fashion line called Johansson, which rose to
(33:47):
popularity when it was worn by Kylie Jennett. And they
I can't tell if they're trying to paint them as
the villains or Hannah as the villain. It's unclear at
this stage who is the villain of this show. We've
got to mention we have only watched one episode at
the time of recording, but we thought it was a
pivotal episode to talk about because this is when everyone
is introduced and the vibe that you get from it,
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and my vibe is that Hannah will be the villain
in this series.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So any of these people actually well known because I
haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, So there were two that I recognized. One is
Nathan so they say he works in digital marketing, but
I know him from being on The Bachelor and Bachelor
in Paradise. And his roommate is Ilius, who was on
the first series of Love Island. And I only remember
Ilias because he's literally always modeling clothes on my news
feed on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
He was the one that was in Big w you
remember and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, there's also Jade Kevin Foster and he claims to
be the most followed man in Australia on Instagram with
one point two million followers. And it's funny because I
had no idea who he was. We do an influencer podcast.
I had never heard of him before. I agree with Alex,
who is the talent manager and so far my favorite
character because he seems like the most realist out of
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all of them. He is like, I call balls on
this guy. There is something not quite right about it,
and I have to agree he does. I had a
look at his Instagram and he does appear to be
kind of writing on the coattails of others, like he
was photographed with some other famous people. He actually kind
of reminded me of did you guys watch I'm a Celeb?
Get Me out of here? This year because they had
(35:18):
a fake influencer called the David and he was a
pretend fashion designer, and they actually reminded me of each
other a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Jade explained in it that the way he grew his
following was that he met Kim Kardashian. I don't know
if it was at a meet and greet or what,
but basically they took a selfie together and she shared
a photo of him. So at the time he only
had eleven thousand followers. Then when Kim shared the photo, overnight,
he woke up and he had two hundred thousand new followers,
(35:47):
So it is quite interesting to see how he grew
the following from then on. So many connections to the
Kardashians on this television show. I have to say, though,
despite the manager Alex kind of having question marks over Jade,
I thought he seemed quite cute in the start of
the episode, because it was quite clear that he didn't
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fit in at home. He really wanted to find a
group of people to be friends with. I mean, I
don't think this town is probably the right place to
make some meaningful friends. How's the snobbery about living on
the Gold Coast. Like the two characters Sarah and Jade,
they both have come over from the GZ to Barron
Bay and everyone's like mmmm, It's like, do they realize
the reputation that Byron Bay has. I did have to
(36:28):
laugh because another one of the characters is Nathan's roommate,
who is Elle, and she clearly has.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
The hots for him.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
She's so territorial over him, even though he has also
hooked up with Hannah. And we are first introduced to
Elle when she's making what she calls a ceremonial cocoo. So,
if you guys are interested in creating this for yourselves,
it is made from cocaw, cinnamon ashwanga, I can't pronounce
that promptly, medicinal mushrooms and coconut milk. I laughed when
(36:59):
I heard this because I was like, oh, yep, yep, yep,
And then when she said medicinal mushrooms, I was like, oh,
that's very Byron Bay. I've got to admit I have
started watching the second episode whilst I was waiting for
you guys to start recording this, and there is a
very awkward scene where Nathan and Elle are in the
kitchen and there is so much tension, sexual tension there
because they're slapping each other with tea towels and I'm
(37:21):
just like, this is so weird. And then her partner
comes down and it's revealed that she actually has a
boyfriend that visits every two weeks. I think he lives elsewhere.
And I'm like, this is actually getting good because the
first episode is always a bit shit, and I've heard
a lot of reviews saying, you know, dragging the show,
but can we just appreciate it for what it is.
(37:43):
It's tacky reality and yes, it's nowhere near as good
as UK reality TV. It's nowhere near as good as
The Hills, but it's something I will keep watching it.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Is it very highly edited? I can you tell that
it's set up and everything.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yes, it's quite clear that it's the same as The Hills,
where they're like, let's get these people at a party
and let them interact. It does seem a little bit
more scripted, but I don't know if that's just because
it was a first episode and it was very stilted.
I still want to give it time. Maybe we should
give an update when we've all finished watching it. What
we thought.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I went back and watched The Hills, and the editing
on it is atrocious. You know me you don't realize
when you're younger, but all the words are cut up.
It's kind of like on The Simpsons when they do
that interview with Homer and the clocks moving in the background. Well,
I definitely do think this show must get better, because
they did show the sort of highlights, and they showed
Jade call Ilius and egotistical fuck and there's this huge
(38:37):
fight that breaks out. So I'm hanging out for that bit.
But as you say, Amy, there are a few lines
that do sound scripted. One of my favorite ones was
when one of the characters said, Byron Bay has a
strong power. If it wants you here, it'll let you in,
and if it doesn't, it'll spit you out. I was like,
Oh my god, who the hell wrote that? That reminds
(38:57):
me of the rap that The Melbourne Housewives Produce gave
to the city of Melbourne. It's very reminiscent. I do
wonder if if there's any crossover in production team. I
want to know though, if they managed to get those
two from the Gold Coast over to live in Barren
Bay for the filming of the show, how did they
not get someone better? Like, surely there was someone better
that they could have shipped across to Byron Bay, like
(39:19):
someone that we all know about. See. I feel like
some of the characters are kind of too stereotypical Barron
Bay for me, like just so spiritual. I mean, I
feel like I kind of wanted to see more of.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
A bitchier side of influencing that will come. That will come.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I mean, didn't you see them all pissing themselves as
laughing when they brought the sound healing.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
In true Well?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I also thought it was pretty funny that Hannah was
talking about growing up in Byron Bay, and she explained
that there are crystals all throughout the mountains in Byron Bay,
which helps keep all of the people there grounded. And
I thought, bloody hell, there's definitely not enough of them
there to keep that group of people grounded. Well, I
think that's all we have time for. I feel like
I'm gonna lose my voice if we keep going. Thank
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you so much for joining us for today's episode. If
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