July 21, 2025 • 25 mins
Tammy Hembrow puts her three wedding dresses up for sale. Paul Versace’s high profile friendship bust ups. Matt Poole takes aim at his former business partner and friend, Oli Frost.… AND the disgusting mum shaming of AFL commentator Abbey Holmes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro
puts her three wedding dresses up for sale, Paul Versaci's
high profile friendship bust ups, and the disgusting mum shaming
of AFL commentator Abbi Holmes. But first, Matt Paul has
(00:24):
taken aim at his former business partner and friend, Ollie Frost. Now,
Ollie's name may sound familiar to you because he is
the husband of influencer Nicki Westcott. They recently got married
in a very lavish wedding. Well, it was in vogue,
it was petful. Now, Matt of course used to be
engaged to Tammy Hembro and is an iron man. So
(00:44):
Matt is really not happy with Ollie because he invested
in Ollie's restaurant called Maman back in twenty twenty and
they had a big opening party and the restaurant got
a lot of attention over addressed Tammy Hembro war to
the opening night. Yeah, well it really was the place
to be, especially for influencers. Yeah, it became a bit
of an influencer hot spot. But less than three years
(01:06):
after it opened, the business went into liquidation, and in
November twenty twenty three, Matt told The Gold Coast Bulletin
that Ollie had squeezed him out of the business and
owed him money. And we reported on this story extensively
at the time, so for all the details, we'll leave
a link to that episode in the show notes. Yeah,
I think that's a really good episode to listen to
if you are interested, because a lot of people in
(01:26):
our Facebook group obviously missed that one back in twenty
twenty three and couldn't quite work out what was going
on between Ollie and Matt. Now, despite Merman and several
other restaurants of Olie's going into liquidation in twenty twenty three,
they actually continued to operate under another entity. So that
entity has now gone into administration and Olli and his
(01:48):
business partner are currently challenging it in court. Yeah, and
the Gold Coast Bulletin have been covering this story from
the get go, so they reported late last week that
the four restaurants had entered administration because of for one
point four to five million dollar debt. Now, Matt clearly
and rightfully so has some big feelings about Olive Frost.
So he ended up sharing this news article to his
(02:10):
Instagram story and wrote, that's a very long and expensive
list of debt. I won't be holding my breath to
get my money back. He also decided to comment on
The Gold Coast Bulletin's Instagram post about this story, writing,
couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Today I am joined by Paul Versaci, who you might
know as Style by Bloom.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Paul is one of Australia's most sought after fashion stylists.
Olivia Rogers has confirmed she's no longer friends with her
longtime stylist Paul Versaci. Back in March, we reported that
the friendship was over after Paul wiped all traces of
Olivia from his personal Instagram account and Olivia hired a
new stylist. Last week, during an Instagram Q and A,
(02:54):
Olivia admitted she'd received a lot of questions about Paul
so wanted to address it. She wrote, he moved to
Sydney and we are not working together anymore. Sometimes friendships shift,
but I will always wish him nothing but the best.
In terms of this friendship. The pair were self confessed
best friends. This wasn't just a working relationship. They holiday
(03:15):
together overseas, attended a lot of events together. He even
featured on her podcast as her best friend, and Olivia
even called Paul her rock during her divorce to Justin mckinn.
So there seems to be a lot more to it
than just the fact that he's moved to Sydney. Well,
when we discussed their friendship breakup back in March, we
actually wondered if the bust up had anything to do
(03:36):
with Paul's friendship with Olivia's ex, Morgan Waterhouse, because Paul
was actually the one who introduced the pair back in
twenty twenty three. Yeah, I mean, it seemed like that
possibly could have been the reason. However, Paul also played
matchmaker with Olivia and her new boyfriend Hugo, so they
were added a nightclub together and Paul spotted Hugo on
the dance floor and said, here's someone that you need
(03:57):
to meet. So again, it seems very unlikely that he's
team Morgan after this breakup. If he's introducing Olivia to
her new boyfriend, that is true. I mean, it appeared
that there was potentially more to this story because Ellie
Gonzalevis has entered the chat, so it seemed like Ellie
had a pretty similar relationship with Paul that Olivia had,
so he styled her for her wedding and in the
(04:17):
vogue spread about her big day, Ellie referred to Paul
as her good friend, and it appears they may no
longer be friends anymore because Ellie no longer follows Paul
or his styling account on Instagram and the pair have
stopped working together. Paul does still follow Ellie, though I
don't know if that's just a save face. So days
(04:37):
after Olivia's Q and A, Ellie did her own and
she replied to a comment that said, I notice you
no longer work with a certain someone and have unfollowed him,
and Ellie responded, if you've noticed I'm no longer working
with or spending time with someone and unfollowed them dot
dot dot is for good reason. I don't tolerate disrespect, lying,
or bad behavior, especially from people who call themselves my friend.
(05:00):
This I also found out some pretty horrendous things this
person had been doing. Once I see someone's true character,
I'm done. I want to make it clear we are
not sure if Ellie is actually talking about Paul Fasaci,
but the Internet has been putting two and two together
because of the timing. Yeah, and Paul is still working
with a lot of influences. So he recently styled Tammy
(05:20):
Hembro for Sydney Fashion Week and within the last week
he also worked with Lucy Jackson and Nicki Wescott. Yeah,
so he still works with Australia's top influencers. Now, on
the topic of Olivia Rodgers, I do want to discuss
the shade that she threw at her ex husband Justin McKean.
So this video of her went viral on TikTok and
it started out by Olivia showing herself looking really happy
(05:42):
and cheersing a glass of champagne at a restaurant, and
it had the caption what do you mean he drained
the life out of you? The video then transitioned to
vision of her crying in the car without makeup on,
and her skin was all broken out and she looked
incredibly sad, like her eyes looked so different. Now. I
was reading all the comments and there were a lot
(06:03):
of women saying, oh my gosh, I feel you so much.
This happened to me when I was in a toxic
relationship and Olivia was replying a lot of interesting comments back.
But one thing I noticed was there were these men
in the comments going the only difference is that you're
not wearing makeup, and they were trying to push his agenda.
And then Olivia ended up sharing a follow up video saying, actually,
(06:24):
this is me without makeup at the time compared to
me without makeup now, and the difference was ridiculous. Yeah,
as we discussed recently, I think Olivia is feeling a
lot more confident coming out and sharing these details about
her relationship with Justin because of all that has come
out about him recently. Yeah, I think that definitely plays
a part in this. There was one comment that really
(06:44):
stood out to me as well. Someone wrote, but I'm
confused you always posted such cute videos and picks together,
and Olivia responded, it's easy to get someone to smile
for a few seconds for a photo. You don't see
what goes on behind the scenes, and I think we
all need to remember that when we do see this
really cute couple content, that it doesn't necessarily mean people
are happy. A lot of the time the people that
(07:05):
put out these big declarations of love on social media
are the ones that are having relationship issues. Well. Sadly,
it seems like Justin's relationship with Tarny Lison maybe over
because someone has spotted him on hint. Yeah. I find
this topic really difficult to talk about because Taranni has
only recently just given birth to their son Alo, and
(07:25):
from the get go of the birth announcement it seemed
like something was off. Justin didn't feature in it. They're
not following each other on Instagram, and Tarani's been posting
a lot about, you know, how proud she is of
the way that she's been managing to parent, and you know,
reading between the lines that's on her own, I just
feel so terrible for her. Like some days I feel
(07:47):
so good and I'm just like, you know, feeling so positive,
and then you just get like waves of like different emotions.
Tammy Hembro has revealed she's telling her three wedding dresses
a month after announcing her divorce from Matt Zakowski. Tammy
shared the news on her Instagram story, calling on her
(08:08):
seventeen million followers to hit her up with offers. Guys,
I don't know if this is a little bit unhinged,
but I don't really care. To be honest, I want
to get rid of my wedding dresses. Obviously they like
I was going to keep them originally, but obviously they
don't really hold the sentimental value anymore. So if anyone
(08:32):
wants to buy one, let me know, gime me up. Okay.
This decision has divided the Internet for more reasons than one. Yeah,
it has been a hot topic in our Facebook group
and also on our Instagram account. And what people seem
to have the biggest problem with is the fact that
at least one of Tammy Hembro's wedding dresses appears to
(08:53):
have been gifted as part of a partnership. So the
dress in question is the most iconic of the three.
It's Tammy Hembro's Vera Wang blush pink ceremony dress. And
while Tammy or Vera Wang have never disclosed the details
of their partnership, it was clear that there was a
transactional nature to this relationship. Yeah, because in February, Tammy
(09:15):
documented her journey to find her wedding dress to her
seventeen million Instagram followers, So she shared a real entitled
come try on Wedding Dresses with Me at Vera Wang.
She also shared a video to TikTok where she showed
herself trying on the dresses her mum and sisters had
picked for her, and she asked her followers to comment
the one they liked the best. I mean, clearly this
was an exercise in boosting engagement and it worked. So
(09:38):
both videos got millions of views, and Vera Wang's account
commented underneath the TikTok, we loved having you and your
family in today, Tammy, you looked absolutely stunning in all
now while they're clearly was a partnership between Tammy and
Vera Wang in February twenty twenty four. It was rather
confusing because a month earlier, Tammy was on Matsakowski podcast
(10:00):
and she was talking about how she'd already chosen her
wedding dress, and Matt's co host Anna macavoid chimed in
saying that Tammy had shown her the dress at her
New Year's Eve party. Then suddenly, a few weeks later,
Tammy shed that Vera Wang had gifted her a box
of goodies. So clearly they were like, hang on, we
want Tammy to wear our dress, not this other one. Well,
it was clear that Vera Wang was targeting influencers because
(10:23):
the collaboration with Tammy came off the back of Tammy's
friend and fellow influencer m Davies being invited to Vera
Wang to try on wedding dresses, and this was after
she complained about her experiences at Palace Coutur and Stephen Koloal. Yeah,
so it seems likely that Vera Wang struck up this
partnership with Tammy. So we don't actually know what the
terms of this partnership deal were, but after finding out
(10:46):
how much the dress cost, I would be very surprised
if this was a pure contra deal because a lot
of people presumed that Vera Wang was going to create
a custom gown for Tammy, but she actually ended up
choosing a design that many other brides had worn. It
was an off the rack design, so the dress ended
up costing around twelve eight hundred dollars. Of course, this
hasn't taken into consideration a range of customizations or alterations,
(11:08):
but regardless, I highly doubt Tammy would produce a real
and TikTok for a brand for only twelve thousand, eight hundred.
I mean potentially if the dress had been custom made,
because the most expensive via Wang dress retails for forty
seven thousand dollars, so potentially that could have covered the
cost of the social media coverage. And also, yeah, I
mean that just indicates that there may have been a
(11:28):
paid element to the wedding dress deal. Yeah, I think
it's highly likely that she was paid to promote the brand. Now,
media outlets have wrongly been reporting that Tammy was dressed
by via Wang for all three wedding looks. Her second
gown was actually the Vivian Westwood Camille gown, and her
final look of the big day was a Carla gil dress.
It's unclear if she was gifted these dresses from the
(11:50):
other designers, but she never produced specific social media content
for them. In saying that though all three wedding dresses
were featured in Vogue spread about the wedding, the weird
thing is, I would have thought with the viau Wang
deal that she would have been told she has to
exclusively wear virau Way. Well, I was thinking maybe she
did purchase one of these gowns beforehand, and that's the
dress she was talking about that she'd already bought on podcast. Well,
(12:12):
what are your thoughts on Tammy potentially making money from
selling ad dress that she didn't pay for. I find
these conversations interesting because I can totally understand why it
annoys people, because it always seems like influencers are getting
freebes and it seems unfair. But we've got to remember
this isn't just a one sided transaction. Tammy gave Via
Wayang a lot of exposure. I think it's because Tammy's
(12:35):
so rich, though, that people think, well, why does she
need that money? Yeah, but then I think we're undervaluing
the work that influencers and other content creators do because
you know, it may seem easy to create social media content,
but there is an element of skill involved, and also
the fact that she has cultivated this audience by constantly
sharing her life and creating content. I get all of that,
(12:56):
but I just think it looks bad from an outside perspective.
I mean, I saw a lot of people saying that
maybe she should donate the money to charity, and I
actually think that that would be a really nice move
and also a really good pr move. I mean, let's
be honest, though, the whole point of Tammy announcing this
wasn't to get a good deal on the dresses. Is
not like I need a cash injection. It was a
massive fuck you to Matt Sakowski. Yeah exactly. That's why
(13:16):
I don't think she actually thought it through. I don't
think she expected to probably get that backlash. Another big
part of this conversation about Tammy selling her dresses centered
around whether you'd actually want to buy a wedding dress
that was a product of divorce, particularly from a marriage
that only lasted seven months. We ended up putting a
poll on her Instagram asking if it's bad juju buying
(13:37):
a wedding dress from a failed marriage, and overwhelmingly the
response was yes. I saw a lot of people commenting though,
that it's good for the environment. Yeah, well I agree.
I mean, like if you go to an op shop,
for example, some people buy their dresses secondhand or on
different websites. You don't know who wore the dress, you
don't know if the marriage worked out. I mean, I
(13:57):
think that's very earnest of you thinking people are buying
wedding dresses from shops. There's a website called still White Yeah,
cells design a second hand dresses I actually had a
quick look to see if Tammy's was up there, because
I'm like, if she was taking it seriously, she'd be
selling it on a reputable website like that, not just
saying oh, everyone give me your best offer and your dms,
because is she going to really go through all her
dms and see what people are offering. I think she
(14:18):
should put it on eBay because it's about a talking point, like, oh,
this is the dress that Tammy wore to her wedding
with Matt Sakowski. Yeah. The thing is, as you said, Amy,
a lot of the time, if you were purchasing a
wedding dress, you wouldn't even know the backstory behind it.
And I don't think you're going to be putting that
in the little description of the dress. Oh I actually
got divorced. No. Some other people were saying that it
could be a really good formal dress, and I agree,
(14:41):
But just as a talking point, can you imagine if
you rocked up to your school formal and you said, yeah,
this is Tammy Hambro's old dress. It actually got me
thinking about how a lot of a list celebrity's iconic
outfits a now shown in museums. Maybe at outspoken. We
should get a gofund me and purchase it and set
up and influencing me. We could do that, or we
(15:01):
could wear it as a Halloween costume. I don't think
the price that Tammy will be wanting from this dress
we could cover just for Halloween costumes.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well, Matt is yet to respond to the wedding dress drama.
He might open up about it on his podcast, but
this week he recently spoke about his thirtieth birthday celebrations,
and so he had a Christmas in July themed party
at a pub with his family and friends. I mean,
as a fellow Christmas lover, I actually thought this was
pretty cute. Yeah, it looked very wholesome and like they
all had a good time. But Matt ended up revealing
(15:30):
on his podcast that his thirtieth was meant to be
very different. Now, he didn't say this on his podcast,
but it turns out that Tammy's recent trip to New
Zealand with their kids was actually meant to be a
trip to celebrate Matt's thirtieth birthday. So he ended up
elaborating more on his Instagram, and it was actually in
response to a rude comment someone wrote on one of
the pictures from his thirtieth someone wrote, weird ass themes
(15:53):
since your ex wife just had Christmas in July, and
Matt replied, so, I have been planning my thirtieth for months,
but you I think it's weird because my ex wife
went on a trip that was booked for my birthday
and still did all the stuff we had planned. Nah,
I think that's weird. So that comment is in reference
to when Tammy was in New Zealand. I think it
was on the second day of her trip, she took
her kids to this street that was all lit up
(16:16):
with Christmas lights and it was a part of this
Christmas in July celebration. So clearly she posted it as
a bit of a burn to Matt, and it got
the reaction that she wanted. What was she meant to do?
I mean, she probably bought this trip for Matt as
a birthday present. What she's just not going to go
and the tickets are going to go to waste. Oh
I completely agree, like, of course, go on the trip
and enjoy yourself if you've paid for it. I also
(16:38):
think it's quite telling because often if you're the person
that's been broken up with or you've been the one
that's wronged, you're more likely to go on a trip
like this as a fuck you. Well, yeah, do vengeful things. Yeah. Now.
Despite Matt saying that he wouldn't be talking about the
breakup on his podcast, he made a lot of references
to it during Wednesday's episode, so he spoke about how
(16:59):
it's been in an emotional rollercoaster and how his confidence
has been not and conveniently, Anna and Matt then got
on a confidence coach to talk about how to get
your confidence back. Do you think this is an attempt
to garner sympathy for Matt? Yeah? I do. And it's
interesting because I feel like Tammy's been doing a similar thing.
Like she'll post TikTok content where she's looking really happy,
(17:21):
but then you'll have to add in like, oh, you know,
I've been feeling really down, but this has made me
feel better. It seems like they just keep having to justify, like, no,
I'm the one that feels bad, No, I'm the one.
We also dropped in this episode that he will eventually
talk about the breakup. I think it's only a matter
of weeks before we hear more about it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I always took my nose, and there's been more nose
than Yes's. But I always took those noses, and not
right now, But you better believe I'm going to be
back here in three months time, and I'm going to
be knocking on your door and we're going to be
having the same conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Football commentator Abby Holmes has copped a disgusting barrage of
abuse online after announcing she's returning to work seven weeks
after giving birth to her son Bras. The thirty four
year old was labeled selfish and told to stay at
home and look after her baby by keyboard Warriors. This
story has made me so angry, but I'm not actually
(18:15):
surprised because, as you know, Kate months get judged for
every decision they made. Yeah, this really pissed me off,
particularly when you look at the industry that Abby works in.
I mean, how many footy players have returned, you know,
days after their wife's given birth to play football, or
they've continued to play football and their wife's given birth
on the same day and everyone's like, oh, it's so
great of them. I Mean, the most disappointing thing about
(18:37):
this was a lot of the nasty comments actually came
from Women Now. Abby shared the news of her return
to Instagram on Thursday, writing see your next Friday, and
she tagged seven AFL for Essendon versus Bulldogs. Time at
home has been amazing and will continue to be amazing,
but I'm so ready to get back into it a
couple of days a week doing something I really enjoy.
(18:58):
I'm excited for little Bracks to his mamma back doing
what she loves and to be able to play two
roles that I'm super passionate about, being a mum and
working on the footy. This, of course, wouldn't be possible
without the support of my seven AFL family and super Dad.
We're so lucky to have you. See you next week.
Abby also released a statement reiterating that she was only
going back to work for two days a week. She
(19:20):
said coming back to work fills me with so much excitement.
I've missed the team, the buzz and being part of
the action. She went on to say being a mum
has changed me in the most incredible ways, but one
thing that hasn't changed is my passion for my career
and the game. I couldn't be more ready to be back.
It's interesting that she's had to release two statements to
clarify that it's only two days a week and she
(19:41):
still enjoys being a mum. And I can see why, because,
as you said, this backlash was disgusting and she was
clearly expecting it. Yeah. I mean, the double standards are
just outrageous. Can you imagine a male commentator having to
put out a press release saying, Oh, I'm coming back
to work. I also found the line really interesting where
Abby had to say how passionate she still was about
her work, because it's almost like this is the line
(20:04):
she would have had to tell her bosses. I am
really like, I do want to come back to work. Yeah.
I think it's that old tripe that women get fed
that you might think that you want to go back
to work, but once you've had a baby, yeah, everything
in your whole life is going to change and you're
just gonna want to be at home looking after your baby.
And that's fine if that does happen to you, But
it's also fine as a working woman if you're like, actually,
(20:25):
do you know what I still want to do my career?
I still love it. Well, it reminds me a lot
of when Sophie and I were both pregnant, and we
felt like we had to keep reiterating to our pr
clients that you know, the business is still going to
be running, We're going to return to work. Yeah. My husband,
he also runs a business. He never wants had to
have that conversation with his clients that he was returning
(20:46):
to work. So it really pisses me off. And there's
also a lot of pressure that women in TV face
because there is this notion of it's a real cutthroat
industry and you can be replaced. So and also forgotten
because I know Abby has stated that she wants to
be back, but there would be an element of God,
if I don't get back to my job, as you said,
(21:06):
I'm going to be replaced. People are going to forget
me and I won't get this gig again. Well, someone
that I used to work with in the TV industry,
she had to come back to work after having a baby.
I think it was like two weeks after giving birth
because her boss literally told her, well, the audience is
going to forget you, so you've got to come back.
I mean, that's a different scenario because it sounds like
that's not what she wanted to do. But I think
(21:26):
it's all about women being able to do what they
want after they have a baby, and if they've got
the support, If her husband is able to look after
their son, yeah, you know, not babysit. You know, it
is his job also to take care of his own
child at work the other five days. Yeah, no one's
having got him. But also I'm assuming if she gets
paid pretty bloody well there, so it might be a
(21:47):
financial decision that is best for the family. Yeah, And
I think a lot of women actually want to return
to work because you lose such a sense of identity
when you have a baby, and a lot of the
time it can be isolating. So I think that Abby
should be celebrated for this decision. I mean, I think
she's a great role model to other women who might
be thinking about having a baby. They can look at
(22:08):
that and go, well, yeah, you can have a baby
and you can also have your career. In saying that, though,
there are a lot of women who aren't as lucky
as Abby, and they might not get the option to
return in a part time capacity or have the flexibility
to be able to do that. With you the support
that they have, they might not have a partner that
can facilitate that, or they might not have a village
(22:29):
around them, So there is a lot of privilege also
involved in making that decision. Definitely stephanely a smith. She
also weighed into the drama over the weekend and she
made some really great points. So she said, honestly, over
people having a public opinion on what a woman should
and shouldn't do as a new mum, it's not your family,
so shut your trap. This is a woman who has
fucking earned her place as a commentator for the AFL
(22:51):
and kills it. She also loves her job and has
always been an incredibly driven woman. You can love motherhood
and embrace motherhood and work. Abby, much like myself, is
in a fortunate position where she can do bits and
pieces of work without returning full time early on. For
some women, they don't have the option and either have
to return full time or want to return full time,
(23:12):
and that is up to them. A mother's mental health
is imperative to the health of the baby, and for
all of us, different things fill up our cup. Her
choice may look different to what you would do, but
who bloody cares? Keep your opinions to yourself or your
bloody friendship group chat if you really need to share them.
I couldn't agree more with Steph. She hit the nail
on the head there. Why do people feel the need
(23:34):
to comment on the post, like, if you're not going
to wish abby well in returning, then just shut the
fuck up. I think it also didn't help the way
that the media reported on this news. So seven News
bizarrely ran with the headline much love seven star makes
career move just seven weeks after having baby, and Sky
News wrote seven presenters shock career announcement after birth of
(23:58):
first child, and it got worse so within seven Newser's article,
it read the new mum, however, won't be jumping back
into full time work straight away, instead planning to work
two days a week while managing her maternal duties. What
are we living in the nineteen fifties? In terms of
Seven's headline about saying just seven weeks after baby to
(24:19):
be fair and I don't really like to be fair
towards Channel seven, but I will in this instance. Maybe
they're building it up as in it's impressive that she's
back from such a short time. Yeah, where they kept
there was a lot of articles that mentioned the fact
that Abby had had a C section as well, saying yeah,
I can't believe that she's back. I mean, you might
be right, but can I point out most men return
to work after four weeks of having it. Maybe it's
(24:41):
been had three weeks off? Yeah, yeah, I mean again,
I understand that they're not recovering. And did you that's
been put out a press release to explain why he
was back at Wall. No, he did not. Well, that
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Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro
puts her three wedding dresses up for sale, Paul Versaci's
high profile friendship bust ups, and the disgusting mum shaming
of AFL commentator Abbi Holmes. But first, Matt Paul has
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taken aim at his former business partner and friend, Ollie Frost. Now,
Ollie's name may sound familiar to you because he is
the husband of influencer Nicki Westcott. They recently got married
in a very lavish wedding. Well, it was in vogue,
it was petful. Now, Matt of course used to be
engaged to Tammy Hembro and is an iron man. So
(00:44):
Matt is really not happy with Ollie because he invested
in Ollie's restaurant called Maman back in twenty twenty and
they had a big opening party and the restaurant got
a lot of attention over addressed Tammy Hembro war to
the opening night. Yeah, well it really was the place
to be, especially for influencers. Yeah, it became a bit
of an influencer hot spot. But less than three years
(01:06):
after it opened, the business went into liquidation, and in
November twenty twenty three, Matt told The Gold Coast Bulletin
that Ollie had squeezed him out of the business and
owed him money. And we reported on this story extensively
at the time, so for all the details, we'll leave
a link to that episode in the show notes. Yeah,
I think that's a really good episode to listen to
if you are interested, because a lot of people in
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our Facebook group obviously missed that one back in twenty
twenty three and couldn't quite work out what was going
on between Ollie and Matt. Now, despite Merman and several
other restaurants of Olie's going into liquidation in twenty twenty three,
they actually continued to operate under another entity. So that
entity has now gone into administration and Olli and his
(01:48):
business partner are currently challenging it in court. Yeah, and
the Gold Coast Bulletin have been covering this story from
the get go, so they reported late last week that
the four restaurants had entered administration because of for one
point four to five million dollar debt. Now, Matt clearly
and rightfully so has some big feelings about Olive Frost.
So he ended up sharing this news article to his
(02:10):
Instagram story and wrote, that's a very long and expensive
list of debt. I won't be holding my breath to
get my money back. He also decided to comment on
The Gold Coast Bulletin's Instagram post about this story, writing,
couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Today I am joined by Paul Versaci, who you might
know as Style by Bloom.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Paul is one of Australia's most sought after fashion stylists.
Olivia Rogers has confirmed she's no longer friends with her
longtime stylist Paul Versaci. Back in March, we reported that
the friendship was over after Paul wiped all traces of
Olivia from his personal Instagram account and Olivia hired a
new stylist. Last week, during an Instagram Q and A,
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Olivia admitted she'd received a lot of questions about Paul
so wanted to address it. She wrote, he moved to
Sydney and we are not working together anymore. Sometimes friendships shift,
but I will always wish him nothing but the best.
In terms of this friendship. The pair were self confessed
best friends. This wasn't just a working relationship. They holiday
(03:15):
together overseas, attended a lot of events together. He even
featured on her podcast as her best friend, and Olivia
even called Paul her rock during her divorce to Justin mckinn.
So there seems to be a lot more to it
than just the fact that he's moved to Sydney. Well,
when we discussed their friendship breakup back in March, we
actually wondered if the bust up had anything to do
(03:36):
with Paul's friendship with Olivia's ex, Morgan Waterhouse, because Paul
was actually the one who introduced the pair back in
twenty twenty three. Yeah, I mean, it seemed like that
possibly could have been the reason. However, Paul also played
matchmaker with Olivia and her new boyfriend Hugo, so they
were added a nightclub together and Paul spotted Hugo on
the dance floor and said, here's someone that you need
(03:57):
to meet. So again, it seems very unlikely that he's
team Morgan after this breakup. If he's introducing Olivia to
her new boyfriend, that is true. I mean, it appeared
that there was potentially more to this story because Ellie
Gonzalevis has entered the chat, so it seemed like Ellie
had a pretty similar relationship with Paul that Olivia had,
so he styled her for her wedding and in the
(04:17):
vogue spread about her big day, Ellie referred to Paul
as her good friend, and it appears they may no
longer be friends anymore because Ellie no longer follows Paul
or his styling account on Instagram and the pair have
stopped working together. Paul does still follow Ellie, though I
don't know if that's just a save face. So days
(04:37):
after Olivia's Q and A, Ellie did her own and
she replied to a comment that said, I notice you
no longer work with a certain someone and have unfollowed him,
and Ellie responded, if you've noticed I'm no longer working
with or spending time with someone and unfollowed them dot
dot dot is for good reason. I don't tolerate disrespect, lying,
or bad behavior, especially from people who call themselves my friend.
(05:00):
This I also found out some pretty horrendous things this
person had been doing. Once I see someone's true character,
I'm done. I want to make it clear we are
not sure if Ellie is actually talking about Paul Fasaci,
but the Internet has been putting two and two together
because of the timing. Yeah, and Paul is still working
with a lot of influences. So he recently styled Tammy
(05:20):
Hembro for Sydney Fashion Week and within the last week
he also worked with Lucy Jackson and Nicki Wescott. Yeah,
so he still works with Australia's top influencers. Now, on
the topic of Olivia Rodgers, I do want to discuss
the shade that she threw at her ex husband Justin McKean.
So this video of her went viral on TikTok and
it started out by Olivia showing herself looking really happy
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and cheersing a glass of champagne at a restaurant, and
it had the caption what do you mean he drained
the life out of you? The video then transitioned to
vision of her crying in the car without makeup on,
and her skin was all broken out and she looked
incredibly sad, like her eyes looked so different. Now. I
was reading all the comments and there were a lot
(06:03):
of women saying, oh my gosh, I feel you so much.
This happened to me when I was in a toxic
relationship and Olivia was replying a lot of interesting comments back.
But one thing I noticed was there were these men
in the comments going the only difference is that you're
not wearing makeup, and they were trying to push his agenda.
And then Olivia ended up sharing a follow up video saying, actually,
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this is me without makeup at the time compared to
me without makeup now, and the difference was ridiculous. Yeah,
as we discussed recently, I think Olivia is feeling a
lot more confident coming out and sharing these details about
her relationship with Justin because of all that has come
out about him recently. Yeah, I think that definitely plays
a part in this. There was one comment that really
(06:44):
stood out to me as well. Someone wrote, but I'm
confused you always posted such cute videos and picks together,
and Olivia responded, it's easy to get someone to smile
for a few seconds for a photo. You don't see
what goes on behind the scenes, and I think we
all need to remember that when we do see this
really cute couple content, that it doesn't necessarily mean people
are happy. A lot of the time the people that
(07:05):
put out these big declarations of love on social media
are the ones that are having relationship issues. Well. Sadly,
it seems like Justin's relationship with Tarny Lison maybe over
because someone has spotted him on hint. Yeah. I find
this topic really difficult to talk about because Taranni has
only recently just given birth to their son Alo, and
(07:25):
from the get go of the birth announcement it seemed
like something was off. Justin didn't feature in it. They're
not following each other on Instagram, and Tarani's been posting
a lot about, you know, how proud she is of
the way that she's been managing to parent, and you know,
reading between the lines that's on her own, I just
feel so terrible for her. Like some days I feel
(07:47):
so good and I'm just like, you know, feeling so positive,
and then you just get like waves of like different emotions.
Tammy Hembro has revealed she's telling her three wedding dresses
a month after announcing her divorce from Matt Zakowski. Tammy
shared the news on her Instagram story, calling on her
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seventeen million followers to hit her up with offers. Guys,
I don't know if this is a little bit unhinged,
but I don't really care. To be honest, I want
to get rid of my wedding dresses. Obviously they like
I was going to keep them originally, but obviously they
don't really hold the sentimental value anymore. So if anyone
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wants to buy one, let me know, gime me up. Okay.
This decision has divided the Internet for more reasons than one. Yeah,
it has been a hot topic in our Facebook group
and also on our Instagram account. And what people seem
to have the biggest problem with is the fact that
at least one of Tammy Hembro's wedding dresses appears to
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have been gifted as part of a partnership. So the
dress in question is the most iconic of the three.
It's Tammy Hembro's Vera Wang blush pink ceremony dress. And
while Tammy or Vera Wang have never disclosed the details
of their partnership, it was clear that there was a
transactional nature to this relationship. Yeah, because in February, Tammy
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documented her journey to find her wedding dress to her
seventeen million Instagram followers, So she shared a real entitled
come try on Wedding Dresses with Me at Vera Wang.
She also shared a video to TikTok where she showed
herself trying on the dresses her mum and sisters had
picked for her, and she asked her followers to comment
the one they liked the best. I mean, clearly this
was an exercise in boosting engagement and it worked. So
(09:38):
both videos got millions of views, and Vera Wang's account
commented underneath the TikTok, we loved having you and your
family in today, Tammy, you looked absolutely stunning in all
now while they're clearly was a partnership between Tammy and
Vera Wang in February twenty twenty four. It was rather
confusing because a month earlier, Tammy was on Matsakowski podcast
(10:00):
and she was talking about how she'd already chosen her
wedding dress, and Matt's co host Anna macavoid chimed in
saying that Tammy had shown her the dress at her
New Year's Eve party. Then suddenly, a few weeks later,
Tammy shed that Vera Wang had gifted her a box
of goodies. So clearly they were like, hang on, we
want Tammy to wear our dress, not this other one. Well,
it was clear that Vera Wang was targeting influencers because
(10:23):
the collaboration with Tammy came off the back of Tammy's
friend and fellow influencer m Davies being invited to Vera
Wang to try on wedding dresses, and this was after
she complained about her experiences at Palace Coutur and Stephen Koloal. Yeah,
so it seems likely that Vera Wang struck up this
partnership with Tammy. So we don't actually know what the
terms of this partnership deal were, but after finding out
(10:46):
how much the dress cost, I would be very surprised
if this was a pure contra deal because a lot
of people presumed that Vera Wang was going to create
a custom gown for Tammy, but she actually ended up
choosing a design that many other brides had worn. It
was an off the rack design, so the dress ended
up costing around twelve eight hundred dollars. Of course, this
hasn't taken into consideration a range of customizations or alterations,
(11:08):
but regardless, I highly doubt Tammy would produce a real
and TikTok for a brand for only twelve thousand, eight hundred.
I mean potentially if the dress had been custom made,
because the most expensive via Wang dress retails for forty
seven thousand dollars, so potentially that could have covered the
cost of the social media coverage. And also, yeah, I
mean that just indicates that there may have been a
(11:28):
paid element to the wedding dress deal. Yeah, I think
it's highly likely that she was paid to promote the brand. Now,
media outlets have wrongly been reporting that Tammy was dressed
by via Wang for all three wedding looks. Her second
gown was actually the Vivian Westwood Camille gown, and her
final look of the big day was a Carla gil dress.
It's unclear if she was gifted these dresses from the
(11:50):
other designers, but she never produced specific social media content
for them. In saying that though all three wedding dresses
were featured in Vogue spread about the wedding, the weird
thing is, I would have thought with the viau Wang
deal that she would have been told she has to
exclusively wear virau Way. Well, I was thinking maybe she
did purchase one of these gowns beforehand, and that's the
dress she was talking about that she'd already bought on podcast. Well,
(12:12):
what are your thoughts on Tammy potentially making money from
selling ad dress that she didn't pay for. I find
these conversations interesting because I can totally understand why it
annoys people, because it always seems like influencers are getting
freebes and it seems unfair. But we've got to remember
this isn't just a one sided transaction. Tammy gave Via
Wayang a lot of exposure. I think it's because Tammy's
(12:35):
so rich, though, that people think, well, why does she
need that money? Yeah, but then I think we're undervaluing
the work that influencers and other content creators do because
you know, it may seem easy to create social media content,
but there is an element of skill involved, and also
the fact that she has cultivated this audience by constantly
sharing her life and creating content. I get all of that,
(12:56):
but I just think it looks bad from an outside perspective.
I mean, I saw a lot of people saying that
maybe she should donate the money to charity, and I
actually think that that would be a really nice move
and also a really good pr move. I mean, let's
be honest, though, the whole point of Tammy announcing this
wasn't to get a good deal on the dresses. Is
not like I need a cash injection. It was a
massive fuck you to Matt Sakowski. Yeah exactly. That's why
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I don't think she actually thought it through. I don't
think she expected to probably get that backlash. Another big
part of this conversation about Tammy selling her dresses centered
around whether you'd actually want to buy a wedding dress
that was a product of divorce, particularly from a marriage
that only lasted seven months. We ended up putting a
poll on her Instagram asking if it's bad juju buying
(13:37):
a wedding dress from a failed marriage, and overwhelmingly the
response was yes. I saw a lot of people commenting though,
that it's good for the environment. Yeah, well I agree.
I mean, like if you go to an op shop,
for example, some people buy their dresses secondhand or on
different websites. You don't know who wore the dress, you
don't know if the marriage worked out. I mean, I
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think that's very earnest of you thinking people are buying
wedding dresses from shops. There's a website called still White Yeah,
cells design a second hand dresses I actually had a
quick look to see if Tammy's was up there, because
I'm like, if she was taking it seriously, she'd be
selling it on a reputable website like that, not just
saying oh, everyone give me your best offer and your dms,
because is she going to really go through all her
dms and see what people are offering. I think she
(14:18):
should put it on eBay because it's about a talking point, like, oh,
this is the dress that Tammy wore to her wedding
with Matt Sakowski. Yeah. The thing is, as you said, Amy,
a lot of the time, if you were purchasing a
wedding dress, you wouldn't even know the backstory behind it.
And I don't think you're going to be putting that
in the little description of the dress. Oh I actually
got divorced. No. Some other people were saying that it
could be a really good formal dress, and I agree,
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But just as a talking point, can you imagine if
you rocked up to your school formal and you said, yeah,
this is Tammy Hambro's old dress. It actually got me
thinking about how a lot of a list celebrity's iconic
outfits a now shown in museums. Maybe at outspoken. We
should get a gofund me and purchase it and set
up and influencing me. We could do that, or we
(15:01):
could wear it as a Halloween costume. I don't think
the price that Tammy will be wanting from this dress
we could cover just for Halloween costumes.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Well, Matt is yet to respond to the wedding dress drama.
He might open up about it on his podcast, but
this week he recently spoke about his thirtieth birthday celebrations,
and so he had a Christmas in July themed party
at a pub with his family and friends. I mean,
as a fellow Christmas lover, I actually thought this was
pretty cute. Yeah, it looked very wholesome and like they
all had a good time. But Matt ended up revealing
(15:30):
on his podcast that his thirtieth was meant to be
very different. Now, he didn't say this on his podcast,
but it turns out that Tammy's recent trip to New
Zealand with their kids was actually meant to be a
trip to celebrate Matt's thirtieth birthday. So he ended up
elaborating more on his Instagram, and it was actually in
response to a rude comment someone wrote on one of
the pictures from his thirtieth someone wrote, weird ass themes
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since your ex wife just had Christmas in July, and
Matt replied, so, I have been planning my thirtieth for months,
but you I think it's weird because my ex wife
went on a trip that was booked for my birthday
and still did all the stuff we had planned. Nah,
I think that's weird. So that comment is in reference
to when Tammy was in New Zealand. I think it
was on the second day of her trip, she took
her kids to this street that was all lit up
(16:16):
with Christmas lights and it was a part of this
Christmas in July celebration. So clearly she posted it as
a bit of a burn to Matt, and it got
the reaction that she wanted. What was she meant to do?
I mean, she probably bought this trip for Matt as
a birthday present. What she's just not going to go
and the tickets are going to go to waste. Oh
I completely agree, like, of course, go on the trip
and enjoy yourself if you've paid for it. I also
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think it's quite telling because often if you're the person
that's been broken up with or you've been the one
that's wronged, you're more likely to go on a trip
like this as a fuck you. Well, yeah, do vengeful things. Yeah. Now.
Despite Matt saying that he wouldn't be talking about the
breakup on his podcast, he made a lot of references
to it during Wednesday's episode, so he spoke about how
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it's been in an emotional rollercoaster and how his confidence
has been not and conveniently, Anna and Matt then got
on a confidence coach to talk about how to get
your confidence back. Do you think this is an attempt
to garner sympathy for Matt? Yeah? I do. And it's
interesting because I feel like Tammy's been doing a similar thing.
Like she'll post TikTok content where she's looking really happy,
(17:21):
but then you'll have to add in like, oh, you know,
I've been feeling really down, but this has made me
feel better. It seems like they just keep having to justify, like, no,
I'm the one that feels bad, No, I'm the one.
We also dropped in this episode that he will eventually
talk about the breakup. I think it's only a matter
of weeks before we hear more about it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I always took my nose, and there's been more nose
than Yes's. But I always took those noses, and not
right now, But you better believe I'm going to be
back here in three months time, and I'm going to
be knocking on your door and we're going to be
having the same conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Football commentator Abby Holmes has copped a disgusting barrage of
abuse online after announcing she's returning to work seven weeks
after giving birth to her son Bras. The thirty four
year old was labeled selfish and told to stay at
home and look after her baby by keyboard Warriors. This
story has made me so angry, but I'm not actually
(18:15):
surprised because, as you know, Kate months get judged for
every decision they made. Yeah, this really pissed me off,
particularly when you look at the industry that Abby works in.
I mean, how many footy players have returned, you know,
days after their wife's given birth to play football, or
they've continued to play football and their wife's given birth
on the same day and everyone's like, oh, it's so
great of them. I Mean, the most disappointing thing about
(18:37):
this was a lot of the nasty comments actually came
from Women Now. Abby shared the news of her return
to Instagram on Thursday, writing see your next Friday, and
she tagged seven AFL for Essendon versus Bulldogs. Time at
home has been amazing and will continue to be amazing,
but I'm so ready to get back into it a
couple of days a week doing something I really enjoy.
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I'm excited for little Bracks to his mamma back doing
what she loves and to be able to play two
roles that I'm super passionate about, being a mum and
working on the footy. This, of course, wouldn't be possible
without the support of my seven AFL family and super Dad.
We're so lucky to have you. See you next week.
Abby also released a statement reiterating that she was only
going back to work for two days a week. She
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said coming back to work fills me with so much excitement.
I've missed the team, the buzz and being part of
the action. She went on to say being a mum
has changed me in the most incredible ways, but one
thing that hasn't changed is my passion for my career
and the game. I couldn't be more ready to be back.
It's interesting that she's had to release two statements to
clarify that it's only two days a week and she
(19:41):
still enjoys being a mum. And I can see why, because,
as you said, this backlash was disgusting and she was
clearly expecting it. Yeah. I mean, the double standards are
just outrageous. Can you imagine a male commentator having to
put out a press release saying, Oh, I'm coming back
to work. I also found the line really interesting where
Abby had to say how passionate she still was about
her work, because it's almost like this is the line
(20:04):
she would have had to tell her bosses. I am
really like, I do want to come back to work. Yeah.
I think it's that old tripe that women get fed
that you might think that you want to go back
to work, but once you've had a baby, yeah, everything
in your whole life is going to change and you're
just gonna want to be at home looking after your baby.
And that's fine if that does happen to you, But
it's also fine as a working woman if you're like, actually,
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do you know what I still want to do my career?
I still love it. Well, it reminds me a lot
of when Sophie and I were both pregnant, and we
felt like we had to keep reiterating to our pr
clients that you know, the business is still going to
be running, We're going to return to work. Yeah. My husband,
he also runs a business. He never wants had to
have that conversation with his clients that he was returning
(20:46):
to work. So it really pisses me off. And there's
also a lot of pressure that women in TV face
because there is this notion of it's a real cutthroat
industry and you can be replaced. So and also forgotten
because I know Abby has stated that she wants to
be back, but there would be an element of God,
if I don't get back to my job, as you said,
(21:06):
I'm going to be replaced. People are going to forget
me and I won't get this gig again. Well, someone
that I used to work with in the TV industry,
she had to come back to work after having a baby.
I think it was like two weeks after giving birth
because her boss literally told her, well, the audience is
going to forget you, so you've got to come back.
I mean, that's a different scenario because it sounds like
that's not what she wanted to do. But I think
(21:26):
it's all about women being able to do what they
want after they have a baby, and if they've got
the support, If her husband is able to look after
their son, yeah, you know, not babysit. You know, it
is his job also to take care of his own
child at work the other five days. Yeah, no one's
having got him. But also I'm assuming if she gets
paid pretty bloody well there, so it might be a
(21:47):
financial decision that is best for the family. Yeah, And
I think a lot of women actually want to return
to work because you lose such a sense of identity
when you have a baby, and a lot of the
time it can be isolating. So I think that Abby
should be celebrated for this decision. I mean, I think
she's a great role model to other women who might
be thinking about having a baby. They can look at
(22:08):
that and go, well, yeah, you can have a baby
and you can also have your career. In saying that, though,
there are a lot of women who aren't as lucky
as Abby, and they might not get the option to
return in a part time capacity or have the flexibility
to be able to do that. With you the support
that they have, they might not have a partner that
can facilitate that, or they might not have a village
(22:29):
around them, So there is a lot of privilege also
involved in making that decision. Definitely stephanely a smith. She
also weighed into the drama over the weekend and she
made some really great points. So she said, honestly, over
people having a public opinion on what a woman should
and shouldn't do as a new mum, it's not your family,
so shut your trap. This is a woman who has
fucking earned her place as a commentator for the AFL
(22:51):
and kills it. She also loves her job and has
always been an incredibly driven woman. You can love motherhood
and embrace motherhood and work. Abby, much like myself, is
in a fortunate position where she can do bits and
pieces of work without returning full time early on. For
some women, they don't have the option and either have
to return full time or want to return full time,
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and that is up to them. A mother's mental health
is imperative to the health of the baby, and for
all of us, different things fill up our cup. Her
choice may look different to what you would do, but
who bloody cares? Keep your opinions to yourself or your
bloody friendship group chat if you really need to share them.
I couldn't agree more with Steph. She hit the nail
on the head there. Why do people feel the need
(23:34):
to comment on the post, like, if you're not going
to wish abby well in returning, then just shut the
fuck up. I think it also didn't help the way
that the media reported on this news. So seven News
bizarrely ran with the headline much love seven star makes
career move just seven weeks after having baby, and Sky
News wrote seven presenters shock career announcement after birth of
(23:58):
first child, and it got worse so within seven Newser's article,
it read the new mum, however, won't be jumping back
into full time work straight away, instead planning to work
two days a week while managing her maternal duties. What
are we living in the nineteen fifties? In terms of
Seven's headline about saying just seven weeks after baby to
(24:19):
be fair and I don't really like to be fair
towards Channel seven, but I will in this instance. Maybe
they're building it up as in it's impressive that she's
back from such a short time. Yeah, where they kept
there was a lot of articles that mentioned the fact
that Abby had had a C section as well, saying yeah,
I can't believe that she's back. I mean, you might
be right, but can I point out most men return
to work after four weeks of having it. Maybe it's
(24:41):
been had three weeks off? Yeah, yeah, I mean again,
I understand that they're not recovering. And did you that's
been put out a press release to explain why he
was back at Wall. No, he did not. Well, that
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