January 20, 2025 • 44 mins
Molly Mae reveals the true reason behind her and Tommy's split in much anticipated documentary launch.
Finance podcaster Victoria Devine is in hot water for her comments about a controversial real estate billboard.
The Queensland influencer charged with torturing her baby to boost her social media following.
And the 14 hour TikTok blackout.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, The Real
Reason behind Molly May and Tommy Fury Split, the Queensland
influencer charged with torturing her baby to boost her social
media following, and finance podcast a Victoria Devine is in
(00:25):
hot water for her comments over that controversial billboard. But first,
it's been a turbulent time for TikTok users in the US.
On Sunday, one hundred and seventy million Americans were shut
out from the app as a nationwide band took effect.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To the US government.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm never forgiving you for this.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I was so dumb coming on the internet and crying
about an app.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
But the fact is that this has been a sense
of community for me.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But the band was short lived because within fourteen hours
TikTok was back. I feel like there would have been
a few red faces because I saw so many creators
in hysterical tears. I also saw many TikTok creators exposing
secrets before the app went down.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, there'd be a.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Lot of regret over that I was pretty shocked by
the message that TikTok users receive, so they've got to
pop up message saying sorry, TikTok isn't available right now.
A law banning TikTok has been enacted in the US. Unfortunately,
that means you can't use TikTok for now. We are
fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he will work
with US on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he
(01:29):
takes office. Please stay tuned. And it didn't take Donald
Trump too long to take credit for TikTok's return. So
he was speaking at an inauguration event and he told crowds,
as of today, TikTok is back. We have no choice.
We have to save it. He then went on to
suggest that the US was set to own fifty percent
of the company, telling the media it would make a
(01:50):
lot of money. So if TikTok is worth nothing zero
without an approval, you know, if you don't.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Approve of business, there worth nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
If you do approve, there worth like a trillion dollars.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
There worth some crazy number.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I said, I'll approve, but.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Let the United States of America own fifty percent of TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I'm approving on behalf of the ivinal self.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I want to cut through the crap here because he
is acting like a hero when he is the one
who initiated talks back in twenty twenty to ban the
app over fears that it was a national security risk.
This just seems to be some big public that he's
stunt for Donald Trump. I think he's in cahoots with TikTok.
The fact that they even named him in that initial
pop up message, and also the fact that TikTok did
have that big blackout in the US. No one was
(02:40):
expecting it to actually go down. Well, it was early
as well, and there were a lot of rumors saying, well, no,
it's not going to cancel out if you have the
TikTok app, It's just going to stop people from downloading TikTok. Yeah,
people thought it was going to be a slow transition
away from TikTok. It wasn't going to be something that
suddenly just got blacked out. It's scary to see what
is unfolding on our social media apps. Last week, Mark
Zuckerberg got rid of fact checking on Facebook and Instagram.
(03:04):
We can see that he is kissing the ring as
people are saying of Donald Trump, he is sucking up
to Donald Trump at the moment. Donald Trump also has
Elon Musk in his camp, and now we're seeing that
he's in cahoots with TikTok, the app that he originally
wanted to get rid of. Now I want to get
to the fun stuff. Let's talk about this TikTok confession trend.
So before the app shut down, a lot of creators
(03:26):
jumped on this audio clip from Family Guy where Peter
Griffin made a confession to his family. So a lot
of people lip synced to this grab and then they
made their own confession.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Since we're all going to die, there's one more secret
I feel I have to share with you now.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
One of the TikTokers that ruffled feathers was Lexi Hidlergo,
and she's really well known for her coffee chats and
also for her workout videos, and she revealed to her
two point seven million followers that she never once drank
coffee in her coffee chats and that she only did
half the workouts. She posted this confession, as you can imagine,
(04:03):
went down like a lead balloon. Everyone was like, why
the fuck would you admit this, especially if you're trying
to get followers to follow you over to Instagram. It
just makes it looks so inauthentic. Well, the one that
upset me the most was beauty influencer Meredith Duxby, and
she has gained a lot of attention on TikTok for
using an outrageous amount of foundations. So she will put
(04:24):
about twelve pumps onto her face and it's all about
trusting the process because she always looks incredible after. Well,
she has admitted that she wiped a hell of a
lot of that makeup off before the final results. She
said it was just for rage baiting, which is obviously worse.
The worst one was some of the creators who admitted
that they never used the products that they promoted on
their TikTok shop. There must be so many people kicking
(04:46):
themselves so jumping on this trend, And as you said earlier,
I don't understand it because it's not like these people
were going to lose their following. People were going to
go across to Instagram or red No or Snapchat and
still follow these people. Yeah, I'm how stupid can you be?
It's literally just ruined any credibility they might have had. Also,
I would be really pissed off as one of the
brands that's done sponsored work with them, because you'd be questioning, Oh, okay, cool.
(05:10):
So you've pretty much told everyone you hated the products
we provided you with.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All
the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,
took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made
me millions, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
A national real estate agency has caused a stir online
after bragging on a billboard that they've been making homes
more expensive since twenty seventeen. The backlash was swift, with
the agency labeled out of touch in the current housing
affordability crisis. Amidst the drama, finance podcaster Victoria Devine went
into bat for the agency, calling people who don't get
(05:46):
the billboard idiots. Now, So, when this story first broke,
there was a lot of confusion because the real estate
agency in question shares the same name as one of
Australia's most popular online clothing stores. Yeah, that's right, if
you believe it. This agency is called White Fox real Estate.
And what makes things even more confusing is that it's
branding is nearly identical to the clothing retailer. Well, we
(06:09):
actually spoke about White Fox real Estate probably a month
ago now, when Steph kless Smith revealed that she was
selling her home.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, the name of the agency is derived from the
founder's name, Marty Fox, and he's recently found fame as
a judge on the Block and he is your stereotypical
real estate agent. He's very good looking, he dresses well,
he's got flashy white teeth, and he's very confident. And
because of his appearance on the Block, he has around
thirty four thousand followers online. His agency specializes in luxury
(06:37):
real estate and as you touched on Kate, he has
a number of celebrity clients like Steph Klesmith and Josh Miller.
He currently has Sam Wood and Snees's home on his
listings at the moment, so you can tell the type
of clientele he works with. Now. The drama kicked off
when a passer by snapped a photo of the controversial
billboard in Perth and shared their thoughts on TikTok so.
(06:58):
The TikTok's user's name is m Redman, and she's got
around three thousand followers. So she shared vision of the
billboard with the slogan making homes more expensive since twenty seventeen,
and she wrote, maybe not the message to be gloating
about in the middle of a housing crisis.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
This video quickly garnered three hundred thousand views and people
started making reaction videos. And again there was a lot
of confusion in M's comment section because her audience assumed
that the billboard was from the clothing brand. So one
user wrote, I thought this was about White Fox, the
clothing label and was so lost, and that comment received
four thousand likes. Another user said I'm so confused. Do
(07:35):
you mean you're spending more money on their clothes when
you could be saving for a house? And another time
beIN saying that advertising must be terrible because I drive
past one of their offices every day, and up until
now I thought they were White Fox, the clothing brand.
I'm very curious from this if this lack of branding
distinction is one of the reasons why the agency was
(07:56):
so desperate to create a stir. Maybe they thought a
stun like this was going to help them build some
much needed brand awareness and cement their spot in the
real estate market. Surely Marty being on the block is
enough advertisement though like good advertisement for well, clearly not,
because a lot of people have not heard of them.
I had to look on Google and they appear straight
after White Fox Boutique, So this stunt hasn't been able
(08:18):
to get them top spot just yet. That's not how
SEO works over. I used to work at an SEO firm,
and you don't generally type in the name of the
real estate company to find them because you know what already,
so you're going to search their u URL. If you're
looking for a real estate agent, you were type in
real estate agent Adelaide's Those are the terms that real
estate companies would be going and it sounds like they
only want the rich and famous anyway, So as long
(08:39):
as the lights of Steph Claire Smith knows the difference
between White Fox Boutique and White Fox real Estate. When
this story blew up, it was picked up by the
Today Show and even Karl Stefanovic was confused. Here's what
he said, and it's just stating the facts that at
White Fox, that's what we do. We try and get
you as much money as possible.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I thought you made women's lingerie white Fox.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Has that a different White Fox, That's a different one.
I love that you still didn't quite get it right
that it's apparel clothing brand, not just lingerie. He's like
offended both of the marketing teams of White Fox Boutique.
In White Fox real Estate Now, the comments section on
M's TikTok post was relatively mixed. So many people acknowledge
that it's a real estate agent's job to make as
(09:20):
much money for their client as possible and that the
housing crisis was not their fault, whilst others were outraged
and thought the billboard added unnecessary salt to the wound
for those who've been priced out of the market. So
one user wrote, read the room, White Fox, whilst another said,
imagine driving passes ad in your car you were forced
to live in because of the current Perth housing market.
(09:41):
I really think that your reaction to this campaign mostly
depends on what financial position you're in, because if you
own a home and you're looking at selling, you want
to know that your real estate agent is working for
you and they're going to get the best price for you.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But if you are.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Currently a buyer, and you're having a tough time financially.
This is going to make you feel so resentful and hopeless.
You feel like you're never going to get a house.
You're going to feel ripped off whatever house you do get. Yeah, Well,
for White Fox, I think it's clever marketing because the
people that are offended are not the target market they're
going for. This is for these high earners who want
(10:17):
to make as much money as possible. I mean, yes,
questioning why they chose a billboard for that then, because
that type of advertising you can't measure the return on
investment of it. It's literally for everyone to see. It's
that say and spray method. It's douchey though, whereas if
they had actually used targeted marketing towards people in that
top echelon, it probably would have done a lot better. Kate,
(10:39):
they knew exactly what they were doing by putting this
billboard up. This is a classic case of rage baiting.
They were banking on someone passing by being completely outraged
and posting this on social media and it going viral.
It's very clever and I think that this achieved exactly
what they wanted it to achieve. Well, so many people
now know that they're really state firm and not a
(11:00):
clothing boutique. They knew that this bragging about making homes
more expensive was going to elicit a huge response, particularly
when we are in the midst of such a huge
housing affordability crist I don't think that type of publicity
is particularly good for this real estate company because now
people are like, ah, they're a bit douchey, Yeah, rubbing
it into the common man. But the people who think
(11:22):
that are people who aren't their customer base. Because not
only did they attract free commercial attention from this, he
appeared on the Today Show. There was a ton of
mainstream media publications, but it was also a very powerful
value proposition because the slogan, directly spelled out to prospective customers,
will get you the most money for your home, which
ultimately is what every seller wants to hear. And White
(11:44):
Fox knew they weren't going to offend their target demographic,
which is the insanely wealthy people who own multiple properties.
Their target demo would have looked at this slogan and
had a chuckle and thought, Gee, these guys are super confident.
They're good at what they do. I want them to
get the best for me. They weren't going to have
an emotional reaction to this slogan. Yea, even most everyday people.
(12:05):
I get what you're saying, Sophie, because when I was
in the market to buy a house with my husband,
there were real estate agents that popped up and you'd
go along to the inspection and you go, oh fuck,
I don't want to deal with them. This house is
going to be so expensive. However, if I was looking
to sell, I would totally engage them to sell my
house because my mindset is they're going to get me
(12:26):
the most money. There's been a lot of questions over
whether this has damaged Marty Fox's personal brand because he
was very popular on The Block, and the majority of
people who watch that show they're everyday Ozzy, So I
wonder if this has left a bad taste in their matt.
I don't think it's going to affect Marty's brand at all.
But someone whose brand has been affected is finance podcaster
Victoria Divine. For those who aren't familiar with Victoria, she
(12:48):
is a retired financial advisor who is the host of
hugely successful podcasts She's on the Money Now, She's on
the Money is marketed as a finance podcast that shares honest,
relatable and non judgment financial advice to women. Victoria has
also written three best selling books which provide financial literacy
to women. She is also hugely successful in the business wll.
(13:10):
She is a founder of Zella, a finance broking practice
which supports people through the process of buying a home,
investment or dream asset. Now, how Victoria fits in this
story is that she's friends with Marty Fox and she
saw the backlash he was receiving, and in response to
one of his Instagram stories about the Billboard, she sent
him a DM saying, the people talking shit aren't your
(13:32):
target demographic.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They're idiots.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I got it immediately, brilliant. Now, Marty replied saying, can
I post and say that Even one of the smartest
business minds in Australia even gets it? And a woman
who empowers others to get ahead to is not confused
by this message. There's a lot of ego stroking involved
in that to get what he wanted, So Victoria replied,
of course, so she gave him permission to post her
(13:55):
opinion on the billboard. Marty went ahead and shared the
screenshot of the post, writing Victoria Divine, Ossie financial advisor,
author and podcast host known for empowering millennials to take
control of their finance, even gets it now. This didn't
get quite the reaction that Victoria was expecting. TikToker m Redman,
who initially posted about the Billboard, shared this screenshot to
(14:17):
TikTok and wrote, when the real estate ceo posts your
comment making fun of like ninety percent of your podcast audience,
We're not idiots. We get the Billboard. It just makes
us angry because it's a symbol of the crisis we're
trapped in now. The video quickly attracted over one hundred
and sixty seven thousand views. The comment section was absolutely scathing.
(14:37):
One TikToker wrote, oh my god, what the fuck Marty
Fox and Victoria Divine? Her response is so disgusting. Is
this real chucking out her book now? Another said oh gross,
immediately unfollowed She's on the money, whilst another said Oopsie's
not a nice way to speak about your own target demographic. Now,
Victoria was on the front foot, so she released an
apology video that afternoon. What I initially liked about this
(15:01):
apology video was that Victoria spoke directly on camera to
her audience, so she didn't put up a black tile
like a lot of other influencers do with text over it.
She put up quite a long video where she actually
acknowledged a lot of the points. Let's have a listen
to what she said.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Hey, guys, I just wanted to jump on here and
address a couple of comments that I have seen online
today about me being tone deaf and completely.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Out of touch.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And I can't disagree with you. At the end of
the day, the comments I made were tone deaf and
completely out of touch, and for that I apologize. I
am genuinely really sorry. I can promise you that I
never made comments like this with the hope to make
anybody feel less than or make any fewone feel stupid
(15:51):
or dumb, because at the end of the day, my
entire purpose is to financially empower women in particular, and
there's no world in which I would want anyone to
feel stupid. And I want to be really clear, I
was not saying that people who can't buy property are idiots.
(16:12):
I was saying that people who didn't understand the billboard
were idiots, and that is very rude. Still, that is
very unacceptable and for that I do apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Now, Victoria provided context for those who might not have
been across the whole story and confirm the screenshot was
from a conversation between her and Marty and that the
intention of her comment was to support a friend. She
also confirmed she gave Marty permission to post a screenshot,
as at the time she didn't see it as an issue.
It is interesting to note, though, when describing the billboard
(16:44):
in this apology video, Victoria misquoted the slogan. So this
was pointed out by another TikToker called Rachel McQueen. So
Victoria misquoted the billboard and said making property more expensive
since twenty seventeen, when it actually said making homes more expensive. Now,
to me, the word home was strategically used on this
(17:06):
billboard to evoke more anger and outrage from the everyday
ossie because the word home is a motive. It's the
place where you feel a sense of stability and security.
I feel like Victoria may have been trying to lessen
the blow by pretending that the campaign said properties and
not homes, because the word property is far less of motive.
It speaks to a possession. It doesn't speak to a
(17:26):
place where everyday Australians live. And when you hear the
word property, it makes you think of rich and elite
people who own a number of properties that they rent out.
I disagree, Sophie. I just think it was a slip
of the tongue. The video went for about six minutes.
She was very off the cuff in the video. In
this apology, she referenced that she'd done wrong. She owned
up to saying I shouldn't have called my audience idiots.
(17:50):
I think it was a slip of the time.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I mean, I definitely think that this was a good apology.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I just think it's interesting to analyze the misuse of
words there. Now. She did apologize several times, as you said, Amy,
and she apologized for hurting people by her comments and
making people feel less than She completely owned up to it.
I found this next admission really interesting because Victoria admitted
in the apology that she'd read all the comments about
(18:16):
her and she found them confronting because she agrees that
she has become out of touch and unrelatable. Here's what
she said.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They're really upsetting, but they are also very confronting because
some of them, You're not wrong. I am a little
bit out of touch nowadays. I am, you know, a
little bit unrelatable. But what I want you to know
is that I know you because I was you. I
(18:45):
have been in a position where I have been in
mountains of debt, not knowing how I was going to
pay it off. I have been in a position where
I just didn't think that property was ever going to
be for me. And now I am in the very
foot position where I do own property, and I am
very grateful for that. But I just want to make
(19:07):
sure that the people that are in my community know
that I would never think of you were stupid or
less than or not worthy of these things.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Do you guys think that the money expert has to
be relatable or can they simply be aspirational. I think
it's difficult for Victoria Divine because you can see she's
wrestling with trying to be relatable but then also showcasing
that she is a successful businesswoman. And unfortunately, especially women
in the media and women who are influencers, they do
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struggle with showing off their wealth because a lot of
people tear them down over it. I think if Victoria
was struggling to get by, and it was clear that
her tips for financial freedom weren't working or advancing her
in any way. We would not be willing to take
her advice on board. I see her as a very
aspirational business woman and someone that a lot of women,
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particularly in her community, look up to. So for the
average person, maybe her lifestyle doesn't seem achievable, but maybe
they think if I implement some of these tips, I
might get a bit further ahead like her. Yeah, but
I think what a lot of listeners are grappling with
is Victoria will share money hacks to save I don't know,
like the tram fare, But then people see her in
(20:23):
designer clothing and at her beach house and they're like, well,
that seems a little bit disingenuous. So it's this the
lifestyle and her influencing career is not really matching up
with what she shares on her money podcast, and that's
where the clash is wrong or right. I mean, as
you said, Sophie, I think she's a very successful business
woman and she should be well within her riots to
(20:43):
promote the successes that she's had. But I can see
why there is a clash. I agree, because, as you said,
she hands out money advice to her community, but then
her community when they jump on her Instagram, they see
that she doesn't apply that to the way that she lives.
And that's been because she doesn't have to, because she
doesn't have the same financial pressures as her audience. I mean,
(21:04):
she said herself that she's out of touch at the moment,
and I do wonder if that's impacting on her podcast success.
I mean, it's always in the charts, but I have
seen a lot of negative commentary in her reviews and
also online more recently, because she has been very vocal
and jumping on board different topics of discussion. So, for instance,
(21:25):
she has been really vocal about all of the Kate
Forster stuff, and she is on a bit of a
crusade about MLMs, and whilst a lot of people have
agreed with her stance on them, I think people have
found maybe the approach to be a bit aggressive, and
I think that is backed up by her recent discussions
around Kate Forster. The apology did receive a mixed reception,
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so a lot of people found it to be very genuine.
You could hear the raw emotion in Victoria's voice, and
you felt like she was genuinely sorry for affecting her community,
whilst others said it's interesting to hear the opinion that
she's behind closed doors and thought that the emission of
her being out of touch made her look worse. What
I found quite surprising about the whole thing is that
(22:09):
she agreed for the screenshot of her message to be
shared and then suddenly realized how bad it sounded, not
because of hindsight, but because she obviously absolutely copped it.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, let's throw to a reaction video that's currently going
viral to paint a picture of how some people are feeling.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All
the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,
took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made
me millions, all right, I'm talking about all the other
girls that can't buy their first home because you know
it's your fault.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You're idiots.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
You're not my target demographic, because really, the housing market,
what's that got to do with me? Nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Someone else who wasn't pleased and buying into the apology
was TikTok of Rachel McQueen, who has over eighty four
thousand followers now, she created a ten minute video sharing
her thoughts on Victoria's apology. She said she thought the
apology seemed disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
In my opinion, the reason that Victoria apologized is because,
unlike Marty, she did upset and alienate her target demographic,
the people that she makes money from, the people who
look to her for honest, relatable and non judgmental financial advice.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Of course she's going to.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Apologize when her whole brand is being relatable and non judgmental,
and it's just been discovered and a lot of people
are upset by the fact that she's not those things.
That is why she apologized and Marty didn't. That is
why she apologized and Marty didn't because it was her
target demographic that were upset, not Marty's. Marty's target demographic
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are people trying to profit from the housing crisis. Her
target demographic, especially through her new business ventures Zella Money,
is people who are struggling because of the housing crisis.
Victoria is in a dichotomy. She lives in a completely
different world to the people she's marketing to. It may
not have been that way in the beginning, but it
certainly is that way. Now. Did she admit in her
(24:10):
apology that she is now out of touch with the
people that she's marketing to and that support her, Yes,
she did, But I am still not convinced that that
apology comes from a place of being empathetic toward those people.
I still believe, until it's proven otherwise, that the apology
came from a place of desperately trying to repair the
relationship with the majority of her audience, because, as em
(24:34):
put beautifully in this video and directly to Victoria, Victoria's
audience are struggling and cannot outsave and out hustle a
housing crisis.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It is interesting to note that Victoria has since deleted
her apology. What do you think about that move? I
think it came down to a few factors. She was
probably absolutely copying it in the comment section, which isn't
pleasant and sometimes you just don't want.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
To deal with.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I also think maybe it came down to sponsorship opportunities.
It's not a good look to have a video up
where you're saying you're out of touch and you aren't
relatable to your core demographic when you are trying to
get people on board. That isn't not worse to delete it,
because the way social media works is people will have
saved it and they'll stitch it up on TikTok or
on Instagram. And now you go over to her page
(25:21):
and it looks like she's even guiltier because she's removed it. Well,
she also recently deleted a video where she called out
Kate Forster, So it's difficult because you want to look
like you believe in what you say and the content
that you put out there. I was really interested to
see if she's on the money, had lost any followers
since this drama. What surprised me is they've actually gained followers,
So they gained four thy two hundred this week, which
(25:43):
can sometimes happen when scandals break out. Over the four
days when the controversy broke, Victoria did lose one hundred
and twenty two followers, but over the weekend she picked
up another five hundred and eighty four, so it doesn't
seem to be affecting her brand too much. But maybe
she got some advice to take it down because it
didn't look great to sponsors.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
See.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think a lot of the followers that she picked up.
Aren't genuine followers. They're probably just following her for the
controversy and maybe a bit of hate following. I hate
to say it.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Yeah, hey guys, hello, Oh so nice to.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Come.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's been a big week for Molly May Hague and
Tommy Fury. Just two days before Molly's tell all documentary
aired on Prime, Tommy piped her at the Post, revealing
the real reason behind their shock breakup. In an interview
with Men's Health, the boxer revealed it was his addiction
to alcohol that caused the split. Kate, there is a
lot to unpack here. I am dying to talk about
(26:41):
the Molly May doco, but let's start chronologically with what
Tommy had to say on Wednesday. It is the first
time Tommy has acknowledged he's had a problem with alcohol. Yeah,
it is, and it did come as quite a surprise
to some of his fans. So during the emotional interview,
Tommy revealed his dependence on alcohol actually started early last
year after he had react instructive surgery on his hand.
(27:02):
So the surgery was to repair a boxing injury from
twenty nineteen when he snapped all the ligaments in the
back of his hand. I actually remember Molly vlogging Tommy
post surgery and he was really frustrated. We now know
that that recovery had a very detrimental impact on Tommy's
mental health, and in the interview he said his mental
health was in the pan, and he started to spend
nights drinking with the goal to get blackout drunk.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
The reason why me and Molly broke up because I
got addicted to alcohol and I couldn't be the partner
that I wanted to be anymore. And it kills me
to say it's true, you know, I couldn't be. I
was loved to pint of beer, love to drink, you know.
And it is what it is. People go through different
things in life, and I have, you know, we all
have our crosses to bear.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Tommy isn't the only member of his family to grapple
with addiction. His brother, Tyson Fury, who was the heavyweight
champion of the world, he has also struggled with alcohol
addiction and cocaine abuse. Yeah, and we saw that play
out a little bit in real time on Tyson's doco
last year. Now, as expected, Tommy continued to deny cheating
was involved in this relationship breakdown. So initially, when the
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couple broke up back in August, the internet was rife
with rumors that Tommy had cheated on Molly, and one
persistent rumor was that Molly called off their relationship after
being sent a video of Tommy up to no good
on a boy's trip to Macedonia, and it even led
to a woman coming out to the media and claiming
that they kissed but she didn't know who he was.
There was also that rumor at the beginning of the
(28:29):
breakup that Tommy had got another woman pregnant who was
actually the daughter of a boxing coach. Well, that one
got shut down really quickly because the woman had to
come out and say no, this is my partner and
the father of my child. And at the time, Tommy
did vehemently deny these rumors, and a spokesperson for the
boxer said that his legal team were investigating them. Now,
(28:49):
his stance on the cheating allegation was no different in
this men's health interview.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
There's been so much shit, so much crap in the
every single day for the past six months. I've done
this and I've done that, and it's like people don't
know the half of it. If it's not come from
my mouth or Molly's mouth, it's complete a not of bullshit.
It's like all I've been seen for the past six
months is cheeta, cheeta, cheeta, cheeta. Oh, he cheated, he
(29:18):
slept with me, slept with this girl, slept with that girl.
Complete a lot of bollocks, and you can ask Molly yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I cannot get over the timing of this interview. Firstly,
it dropped two days before Molly's documentary Behind it All
aired on Prime. The producers would have been absolutely spewing.
This would have all been pre planned, particularly between Molly,
Tommy and their management. They wouldn't want Molly to be
revealing Tommy's secret because it looks like she would be
(29:45):
exposing something that he's perhaps not ready to talk about
when it is something as serious as alcohol addiction. I
think you're right, Sophie, but I think this strategy has
only been enacted since the New Year's Kiss because a
lot of people now think that Tommy and Molly are
back together. Yeah, the New Year's Kiss definitely has a
lot to do with the timing of this doco, particularly
because originally I think that all six episodes were going
(30:07):
to be aired at the same time, but it's now
been broken up to have three air now and then
three air in autumn. The date hasn't even been set.
It's clear that they're still filming because so much has
gone on behind the scenes, and it's hard for this
doco to keep up with the immediacy of TikTok and
everything that is happening. I don't think the producers, though,
would have been in on Molly allowing Tommy to go
(30:27):
to another rival media company in Men's Health and break
that news first. Because this doco it's called Behind All,
and it's been touted as the real story behind the breakup.
I think Molly's gone behind the back of the producers
and agreed on this with Tommy because in an interview
she did recently, she did say, well, Tommy's going to
come out and explain his side of things.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, I think it's Tommy's story to tell first.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I think it would have looked completely inappropriate if Molly
was to break that news.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I also noticed that.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
The two messages weren't the same throughout, so Tommy said
he has an alcohol problem, but in the documentary Molly's
said Tommy doesn't have an alcohol problem.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Drinking leads to problems.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And that to me reading between the lines, either meant
that he cheated or it made me think, has things
escalated behind the scenes, has something happened that again they're
not going to tell us about how I watched this
documentary with Dale and he said, do you know what,
maybe he's just a complete dickhead when he's been drinking. Well,
that's that vibe that everyone seemed to get. Yeah, and
(31:25):
it was really interesting to be a fly on the
wall in that conversation between Molly and her mum, Debbie,
and I felt for Debbie because Molly revealed that when
her parents broke up, her mum had issues with alcohol
and it was part of the reason why Molly didn't
want to be with someone who drank. And during the
docco they showed Molly rewatching the scene on Love Island
when she first met Tommy, and they kept in the
(31:48):
grab where Molly said, oh, do you drink and Tommy
said not really, and then she confirmed that she actually
doesn't drink either. That's a big part of her brand,
her being sober. I mean, she's even spoke recently on
a YouTube how she doesn't really like out and letting
herself go and having a drink.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Isn't it interesting? Though?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Because this New Year's Eve kiss seemed to all come
about because Molly was drinking and out there partying with Tommy.
Let's actually dive a little bit deeper into this doco.
So it was meant to document the leader to Molly
and Tommy's wedding, but when they broke up, it was
repurposed into a documentary about Molly navigating life as a
single mum as she launched her brand Maybe. Did anyone
(32:24):
else feel like some sections of the episodes were just
blatant ads though for Maybe. I don't actually think it
was a great ad for Maybe though, because they mentioned
a lot of criticism that the brand has got, especially
over the balling of one of its blazers. I mean,
I think it was more an ad for Molly May
at her personal brand, which I suppose then cascades down
into Maybe because people are only really buying the clothes
(32:46):
because of Molly May. But the documentary really showed from
her perspective that she was the one who was passionate
about rectifying this issue and giving back to her consumer
and making sure her audience weren't angry. Sophie really bought
into the good prs, so I was laughing with Dale's say,
I can imagine Sophi're working for her PR team.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well I did.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
What I did disagree with, though, is that they put
out a statement saying anyone who's had issues with this
jacket please contact us, But they didn't actually outline whether
they would get a refund.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
There was no resolution.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
They were acting like, oh, we just don't know what
to do. I said to Dale, just give everyone a
refund financially, though I don't think that the brand could
handle it. So you need to come down because we
are recording a subscriber only episode really getting to the
nitty gritty of the doco. But for now, I really
want to talk about what most people are interested in,
and that is the breakup. So the number one reason
(33:36):
people tuned in was to find out what actually happened.
I know Tommy did pip Molly at the post, as
you said earlier, but it was interesting to see that
their stories did match up because again she did reveal
that drinking was a problem in terms of talking about
the cheating, though she really glazed over that, so she
didn't actually back Tommy up and say there was definitely
no cheating. She did say this.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Though, on Somebody Pregnant, I'm really sorry to hear that
he's been with this person, And I was just like,
where is this coming from? It was a build up,
and there was It was a lot of times of
sort of okay, like last chance type situation. Last chance,
last chance, last chance, There's only so.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Much that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You can take. You kind of don't really have another choice.
You just have to You just have to do what
you have to do.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I feel like that comment was trying to shoot down
the validity of some of those cheating claims. But then
when we saw the scene of Molly rewatching her proposal
to Tommy, she reiterated that they actually had a huge
argument on the way there because she thought he had
photos of another girl on his phone because he wouldn't
let her look at the phone. Yeah, he was being shady,
(34:52):
and she asked, oh, can I check out the photos
you took of me? And he was being funny about it,
obviously because he had all of the engagement plans on
his phone. I saw a lot of people creating TikTok
saying that it was interesting that they left that section
of the interview in because it was sort of eluding
that there was cheating going on, but nothing confirming it. Oh,
there was so much eluding going on, and I think
Tommy's alcohol problem is a lot easier to blame, especially
(35:15):
if they do end up getting back together. I mean,
all of the conversations between Molly and her sister Zoe
in the car alluded to cheating being involved. Yeah, you
could tell that Zoe absolutely hates Tommy Fury's guts. I
thought it was really interesting when Zoe said that she
had clashed with Tommy as well, because often it is
the sisters who have to get involved. Well, she said
that she kept seeing Tommy cheating Molly so badly. Yeah,
(35:36):
I suppose she felt she had to stand up to her.
And I think it's because Zoe has a really lovely husband.
His name's Danny. He's in the Army. He seems to
be the opposite of Tommy and what he stands for,
So for her, she's like, why are you putting up
with this shit? Side note, My favorite scene of the
whole documentary so far was Molly and Zoe singing along
to the Saddle Club. Oh yea, I know that that
(35:57):
was aired in the U game. I love it because
it was so related, even though they're driving around in
this fuck off g wag and it was just like
every girl does that with their sister, have a little
sing alongs in the car. Back to Zoe hating Tommy's guts.
It's also probably because she's the only family member who
knows the ins and outs of the relationship with Tommy.
Because Molly said this.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I think Zoe ready struggles with Tommy and I the
most have anyone in my family because she has heard
it all now and I have really shared it all
with her.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, because Molly was like, oh, yeah, just go through
my messages, my WhatsApp with Tommy. Yeah, she's read too much.
Clearly interesting that they are conversing through WhatsApp because it's
a platform that's encrypted, so it's more difficult for the
press to break into her phone and get her messages.
And what we're so fascinating was on their YouTube channels,
on both Zoe and Molly's, they're always putting out such
(36:53):
positive content about their like, you know, going and doing
couple things. It was odd to actually hear Zoe negatively
talk about Tommy because it's always seems to be so
positive everything they say, but.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's just social media.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
At the end of the day, did anyone else think
that maybe Tommy ruined Zoe's wedding, because it does seem
like the wedding was a bit of a breaking point
for Molly May. She didn't go into details about what happened,
but she said this.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
He's never had an alcohol problem. It's just that alcohol
caused problems for us. It got to a point where
I wasn't really looking forward to anything because alcohol affected
it so much. I could only cite a couple of
examples where he had some alcohol and it's not led
(37:39):
to anything disastrous. I mean, I actually don't know any
I really don't my sister's wedding, Like I literally pleaded
with Tommy, like I begged him to not drink, and.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
It's it's just really sad because I don't know, I'm
crying enough.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well, the breakup came shortly after Zoe's wedding, so.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
They were on their honeymoon it came out, so this must.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Have been a tipping point for her.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Was anyone else surprised at how vocal Molly was about
her desire to get back with Tommy during this doco,
because I would love to know the timeline of when
those bits were filmed. Well, it was clear that she
blindsided Tommy when she released that statement saying they'd broken up,
and it felt like a really desperate move of Molly
to actually get Tommy's attention and to wake him up
and be like, look, I'm actually serious, because it sounded
(38:30):
like she had been threatening for a long time to
break up. Yeah, because she spoke through the process, so
this wasn't some joint decision to put out a statement.
She said she was sick of lying in her bed
wirying all night, so she thought this is the final straw.
This is going to show him that he needs to change,
but also make herself accountable because she said that she
probably wouldn't go through with the breakup if it wasn't public. Yeah,
(38:52):
And in the third episode of the doco, she revealed
to Zoe it was never meant to be a permanent thing.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
I know it's exhausting, but if you didn't draw a
line in the sand, it will carry on being exhausting
for the next time. But I don't want you because
I don't want to end. I knew we were going
to get back together.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Surely you didn't.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
No, I did know that. No, because you're waiting for
why do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
How m not cried?
Speaker 5 (39:16):
All I want in this life is to be with
him and to have another baby with him, and to
grow old as a family, and to live in a
nice house together and to have a nice life together.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Fortunately, that's all I want. To be perfectly honest with you.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I think what's getting me through is the hope and
the idea that Tommy and I, well, we will end
up back together.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
You could tell Zoe was just like, oh for Fox, Yeah, yes,
what's going on? You do forget that they're only twenty five.
And when Molly was talking about the fact that Tommy
wants to be a regular twenty five year old and
got drinking with his friends and partying, but he also
wants to be have this stable relationship in this family life,
you can see that he's at a crossroad and he
doesn't know what to do. He almost doesn't want to
(39:57):
grow up. How sad was watching the vision of Molly
their phone out having to FaceTime Tommy to say good
night to Bamby. That made me feel really upset. I
think bye bye, that's all she ended the conversation. Every
con was bye bye. Notice her saying bye bye all
the time, and I was wondering if it was just
a Tommy because she felt awkward, but then she said
it to her manager and everyone in the colledep or.
One viral clip from this doc that's doing the rounds
(40:18):
on TikTok is a scene where Molly is trying to
feed her daughter Bamby, and there's a moment where Bambi
is absolutely losing it, and then Molly realizes the Bambi
is trying to say dadda because she misses Tommy. And
I've seen so many people saying that they were in
tears over this moment. It doesn't help that Bambi looks
exactly like Tommy Fury either, like it would be hard
(40:41):
to get over him when your daughter is his clone.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
The producers, of course, left all of us on the
edge of our seats in the last episode when Molly
revealed that she was so adamant that they were going
to get back together, but now she was worried that
the problems weren't going to go away, and then I
flashed to the teaser showing Molly's reaction to the headlines
that came out about their New Year's Eve kiss, and
she said, oh my god, what Molly May and Tommy
(41:05):
Fury kiss on New Year's Eve? That is so bad.
It's clear that this doco is having to play catch
up big time, and that is why they haven't actually
set an exact date for the second installment. It says
coming spring, as in the spring UK time, sometime around there.
Do you think it was always planned that it was
going to have this big break in between it, or
you're just going with the floor, because I think they
(41:26):
were almost scraping the barrel a bit to fill out
three episodes of content. A lot of it was on
the maybe controversy with the jacket we spoke about earlier,
so I think they've gone fuck well. A lot of
this stuff that's happening in current time is far more
interesting than what we've already recorded. I saw a lot
of people saying it was boring, but I absolutely loved it.
I thought the producers did an incredible job. It was
(41:48):
shot so beautifully. It was But if you weren't a fan,
of Molly May. I can say why some people might
think got she was a bit boring. She's got eight
million followers, so there are a lot of people invested
in her life and it's like, oh, well, we didn't
hear all the details. I thought what we did get
to hear was incredible. A thirty four year old Queensland
influencer has been arrested and charged after allegedly torturing and
(42:11):
poisoning her baby daughter to boost her social media following.
It's important to note that the reason why we and
other media outlets aren't naming the woman is to protect
the identity of the child. Now, kay, can you tell
us more? Yeah? So, on Thursday, the influencer was charged
with a multitude of offenses, including torture, making child exploitation,
(42:31):
material fraud, and multiple counts of administering poison. Now, vision
of the woman being arrested in her pajamas at her
home and then escorted into a police cart was circulated
to the media. The woman's face was blurred, but you
could tell who it was if you know who the
influencer is. What we can say is this influencer gained
a following by documenting her child's apparent battle with the
(42:53):
terminal illness on social media. Now it's alleged that the
poisoning took place between August and October, when and the
woman gave the baby, who had a medical condition, medications
that were not prescribed or medically approved. The charges follow
an extensive police investigation that took place after medical staff
from a Brisbane South hospital raised their concern. Now the
(43:14):
baby was already sick in hospital with a genuine illness
when staff suspected something was not right now. In a
press conference, Detective Inspector Paul Dalton labeled the alleged offenses
as abhorrent. He said, there are no words to describe
just how repulsive offenses of this nature are. There is
no excuse for hurting a child, especially not a one
year old infant who was reliable on others for care
(43:37):
and survival. Dalton confirmed the little girl is going well
and she and her siblings are safe, but he did
not say who was caring for them. When asked about
the woman's sentence, Dalton said, if convicted, she would be
facing substantial prison time.
Speaker 7 (43:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
The influencer has been also accused of defrauding donors of
sixty thousand dollars via a GoFundMe page that she allegedly
set up. Now, GoFundMe has announced they will refund the
money to people who donated, and I've already seen screenshots
of people sharing that that donation has been refunded to them. Now,
the thirty four year old woman appeared in a prison
(44:12):
magistrate's court on Friday, and her lawyer requested that she
beheld in protective custody because of concerns for her safety
following the publicity around her arrest. Now, she does plan
to apply for bail later this month, and the influencer
was remanded in custody and will face court again in
late January. Well, that is all we've got time for today.
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Thank you for listening to another episode of Outspoken. If
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elders past and present.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, The Real
Reason behind Molly May and Tommy Fury Split, the Queensland
influencer charged with torturing her baby to boost her social
media following, and finance podcast a Victoria Devine is in
(00:25):
hot water for her comments over that controversial billboard. But first,
it's been a turbulent time for TikTok users in the US.
On Sunday, one hundred and seventy million Americans were shut
out from the app as a nationwide band took effect.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To the US government.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I'm never forgiving you for this.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I was so dumb coming on the internet and crying
about an app.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
But the fact is that this has been a sense
of community for me.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But the band was short lived because within fourteen hours
TikTok was back. I feel like there would have been
a few red faces because I saw so many creators
in hysterical tears. I also saw many TikTok creators exposing
secrets before the app went down.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, there'd be a.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Lot of regret over that I was pretty shocked by
the message that TikTok users receive, so they've got to
pop up message saying sorry, TikTok isn't available right now.
A law banning TikTok has been enacted in the US. Unfortunately,
that means you can't use TikTok for now. We are
fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he will work
with US on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he
(01:29):
takes office. Please stay tuned. And it didn't take Donald
Trump too long to take credit for TikTok's return. So
he was speaking at an inauguration event and he told crowds,
as of today, TikTok is back. We have no choice.
We have to save it. He then went on to
suggest that the US was set to own fifty percent
of the company, telling the media it would make a
(01:50):
lot of money. So if TikTok is worth nothing zero
without an approval, you know, if you don't.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Approve of business, there worth nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
If you do approve, there worth like a trillion dollars.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
There worth some crazy number.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I said, I'll approve, but.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Let the United States of America own fifty percent of TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I'm approving on behalf of the ivinal self.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I want to cut through the crap here because he
is acting like a hero when he is the one
who initiated talks back in twenty twenty to ban the
app over fears that it was a national security risk.
This just seems to be some big public that he's
stunt for Donald Trump. I think he's in cahoots with TikTok.
The fact that they even named him in that initial
pop up message, and also the fact that TikTok did
have that big blackout in the US. No one was
(02:40):
expecting it to actually go down. Well, it was early
as well, and there were a lot of rumors saying, well, no,
it's not going to cancel out if you have the
TikTok app, It's just going to stop people from downloading TikTok. Yeah,
people thought it was going to be a slow transition
away from TikTok. It wasn't going to be something that
suddenly just got blacked out. It's scary to see what
is unfolding on our social media apps. Last week, Mark
Zuckerberg got rid of fact checking on Facebook and Instagram.
(03:04):
We can see that he is kissing the ring as
people are saying of Donald Trump, he is sucking up
to Donald Trump at the moment. Donald Trump also has
Elon Musk in his camp, and now we're seeing that
he's in cahoots with TikTok, the app that he originally
wanted to get rid of. Now I want to get
to the fun stuff. Let's talk about this TikTok confession trend.
So before the app shut down, a lot of creators
(03:26):
jumped on this audio clip from Family Guy where Peter
Griffin made a confession to his family. So a lot
of people lip synced to this grab and then they
made their own confession.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Since we're all going to die, there's one more secret
I feel I have to share with you now.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
One of the TikTokers that ruffled feathers was Lexi Hidlergo,
and she's really well known for her coffee chats and
also for her workout videos, and she revealed to her
two point seven million followers that she never once drank
coffee in her coffee chats and that she only did
half the workouts. She posted this confession, as you can imagine,
(04:03):
went down like a lead balloon. Everyone was like, why
the fuck would you admit this, especially if you're trying
to get followers to follow you over to Instagram. It
just makes it looks so inauthentic. Well, the one that
upset me the most was beauty influencer Meredith Duxby, and
she has gained a lot of attention on TikTok for
using an outrageous amount of foundations. So she will put
(04:24):
about twelve pumps onto her face and it's all about
trusting the process because she always looks incredible after. Well,
she has admitted that she wiped a hell of a
lot of that makeup off before the final results. She
said it was just for rage baiting, which is obviously worse.
The worst one was some of the creators who admitted
that they never used the products that they promoted on
their TikTok shop. There must be so many people kicking
(04:46):
themselves so jumping on this trend, And as you said earlier,
I don't understand it because it's not like these people
were going to lose their following. People were going to
go across to Instagram or red No or Snapchat and
still follow these people. Yeah, I'm how stupid can you be?
It's literally just ruined any credibility they might have had. Also,
I would be really pissed off as one of the
brands that's done sponsored work with them, because you'd be questioning, Oh, okay, cool.
(05:10):
So you've pretty much told everyone you hated the products
we provided you with.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All
the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,
took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made
me millions, all right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
A national real estate agency has caused a stir online
after bragging on a billboard that they've been making homes
more expensive since twenty seventeen. The backlash was swift, with
the agency labeled out of touch in the current housing
affordability crisis. Amidst the drama, finance podcaster Victoria Devine went
into bat for the agency, calling people who don't get
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the billboard idiots. Now, So, when this story first broke,
there was a lot of confusion because the real estate
agency in question shares the same name as one of
Australia's most popular online clothing stores. Yeah, that's right, if
you believe it. This agency is called White Fox real Estate.
And what makes things even more confusing is that it's
branding is nearly identical to the clothing retailer. Well, we
(06:09):
actually spoke about White Fox real Estate probably a month
ago now, when Steph kless Smith revealed that she was
selling her home.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, the name of the agency is derived from the
founder's name, Marty Fox, and he's recently found fame as
a judge on the Block and he is your stereotypical
real estate agent. He's very good looking, he dresses well,
he's got flashy white teeth, and he's very confident. And
because of his appearance on the Block, he has around
thirty four thousand followers online. His agency specializes in luxury
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real estate and as you touched on Kate, he has
a number of celebrity clients like Steph Klesmith and Josh Miller.
He currently has Sam Wood and Snees's home on his
listings at the moment, so you can tell the type
of clientele he works with. Now. The drama kicked off
when a passer by snapped a photo of the controversial
billboard in Perth and shared their thoughts on TikTok so.
(06:58):
The TikTok's user's name is m Redman, and she's got
around three thousand followers. So she shared vision of the
billboard with the slogan making homes more expensive since twenty seventeen,
and she wrote, maybe not the message to be gloating
about in the middle of a housing crisis.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
This video quickly garnered three hundred thousand views and people
started making reaction videos. And again there was a lot
of confusion in M's comment section because her audience assumed
that the billboard was from the clothing brand. So one
user wrote, I thought this was about White Fox, the
clothing label and was so lost, and that comment received
four thousand likes. Another user said I'm so confused. Do
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you mean you're spending more money on their clothes when
you could be saving for a house? And another time
beIN saying that advertising must be terrible because I drive
past one of their offices every day, and up until
now I thought they were White Fox, the clothing brand.
I'm very curious from this if this lack of branding
distinction is one of the reasons why the agency was
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so desperate to create a stir. Maybe they thought a
stun like this was going to help them build some
much needed brand awareness and cement their spot in the
real estate market. Surely Marty being on the block is
enough advertisement though like good advertisement for well, clearly not,
because a lot of people have not heard of them.
I had to look on Google and they appear straight
after White Fox Boutique, So this stunt hasn't been able
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to get them top spot just yet. That's not how
SEO works over. I used to work at an SEO firm,
and you don't generally type in the name of the
real estate company to find them because you know what already,
so you're going to search their u URL. If you're
looking for a real estate agent, you were type in
real estate agent Adelaide's Those are the terms that real
estate companies would be going and it sounds like they
only want the rich and famous anyway, So as long
(08:39):
as the lights of Steph Claire Smith knows the difference
between White Fox Boutique and White Fox real Estate. When
this story blew up, it was picked up by the
Today Show and even Karl Stefanovic was confused. Here's what
he said, and it's just stating the facts that at
White Fox, that's what we do. We try and get
you as much money as possible.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I thought you made women's lingerie white Fox.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Has that a different White Fox, That's a different one.
I love that you still didn't quite get it right
that it's apparel clothing brand, not just lingerie. He's like
offended both of the marketing teams of White Fox Boutique.
In White Fox real Estate Now, the comments section on
M's TikTok post was relatively mixed. So many people acknowledge
that it's a real estate agent's job to make as
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much money for their client as possible and that the
housing crisis was not their fault, whilst others were outraged
and thought the billboard added unnecessary salt to the wound
for those who've been priced out of the market. So
one user wrote, read the room, White Fox, whilst another said,
imagine driving passes ad in your car you were forced
to live in because of the current Perth housing market.
(09:41):
I really think that your reaction to this campaign mostly
depends on what financial position you're in, because if you
own a home and you're looking at selling, you want
to know that your real estate agent is working for
you and they're going to get the best price for you.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But if you are.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Currently a buyer, and you're having a tough time financially.
This is going to make you feel so resentful and hopeless.
You feel like you're never going to get a house.
You're going to feel ripped off whatever house you do get. Yeah, Well,
for White Fox, I think it's clever marketing because the
people that are offended are not the target market they're
going for. This is for these high earners who want
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to make as much money as possible. I mean, yes,
questioning why they chose a billboard for that then, because
that type of advertising you can't measure the return on
investment of it. It's literally for everyone to see. It's
that say and spray method. It's douchey though, whereas if
they had actually used targeted marketing towards people in that
top echelon, it probably would have done a lot better. Kate,
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they knew exactly what they were doing by putting this
billboard up. This is a classic case of rage baiting.
They were banking on someone passing by being completely outraged
and posting this on social media and it going viral.
It's very clever and I think that this achieved exactly
what they wanted it to achieve. Well, so many people
now know that they're really state firm and not a
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clothing boutique. They knew that this bragging about making homes
more expensive was going to elicit a huge response, particularly
when we are in the midst of such a huge
housing affordability crist I don't think that type of publicity
is particularly good for this real estate company because now
people are like, ah, they're a bit douchey, Yeah, rubbing
it into the common man. But the people who think
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that are people who aren't their customer base. Because not
only did they attract free commercial attention from this, he
appeared on the Today Show. There was a ton of
mainstream media publications, but it was also a very powerful
value proposition because the slogan, directly spelled out to prospective customers,
will get you the most money for your home, which
ultimately is what every seller wants to hear. And White
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Fox knew they weren't going to offend their target demographic,
which is the insanely wealthy people who own multiple properties.
Their target demo would have looked at this slogan and
had a chuckle and thought, Gee, these guys are super confident.
They're good at what they do. I want them to
get the best for me. They weren't going to have
an emotional reaction to this slogan. Yea, even most everyday people.
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I get what you're saying, Sophie, because when I was
in the market to buy a house with my husband,
there were real estate agents that popped up and you'd
go along to the inspection and you go, oh fuck,
I don't want to deal with them. This house is
going to be so expensive. However, if I was looking
to sell, I would totally engage them to sell my
house because my mindset is they're going to get me
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the most money. There's been a lot of questions over
whether this has damaged Marty Fox's personal brand because he
was very popular on The Block, and the majority of
people who watch that show they're everyday Ozzy, So I
wonder if this has left a bad taste in their matt.
I don't think it's going to affect Marty's brand at all.
But someone whose brand has been affected is finance podcaster
Victoria Divine. For those who aren't familiar with Victoria, she
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is a retired financial advisor who is the host of
hugely successful podcasts She's on the Money Now, She's on
the Money is marketed as a finance podcast that shares honest,
relatable and non judgment financial advice to women. Victoria has
also written three best selling books which provide financial literacy
to women. She is also hugely successful in the business wll.
(13:10):
She is a founder of Zella, a finance broking practice
which supports people through the process of buying a home,
investment or dream asset. Now, how Victoria fits in this
story is that she's friends with Marty Fox and she
saw the backlash he was receiving, and in response to
one of his Instagram stories about the Billboard, she sent
him a DM saying, the people talking shit aren't your
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target demographic.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They're idiots.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I got it immediately, brilliant. Now, Marty replied saying, can
I post and say that Even one of the smartest
business minds in Australia even gets it? And a woman
who empowers others to get ahead to is not confused
by this message. There's a lot of ego stroking involved
in that to get what he wanted, So Victoria replied,
of course, so she gave him permission to post her
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opinion on the billboard. Marty went ahead and shared the
screenshot of the post, writing Victoria Divine, Ossie financial advisor,
author and podcast host known for empowering millennials to take
control of their finance, even gets it now. This didn't
get quite the reaction that Victoria was expecting. TikToker m Redman,
who initially posted about the Billboard, shared this screenshot to
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TikTok and wrote, when the real estate ceo posts your
comment making fun of like ninety percent of your podcast audience,
We're not idiots. We get the Billboard. It just makes
us angry because it's a symbol of the crisis we're
trapped in now. The video quickly attracted over one hundred
and sixty seven thousand views. The comment section was absolutely scathing.
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One TikToker wrote, oh my god, what the fuck Marty
Fox and Victoria Divine? Her response is so disgusting. Is
this real chucking out her book now? Another said oh gross,
immediately unfollowed She's on the money, whilst another said Oopsie's
not a nice way to speak about your own target demographic. Now,
Victoria was on the front foot, so she released an
apology video that afternoon. What I initially liked about this
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apology video was that Victoria spoke directly on camera to
her audience, so she didn't put up a black tile
like a lot of other influencers do with text over it.
She put up quite a long video where she actually
acknowledged a lot of the points. Let's have a listen
to what she said.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Hey, guys, I just wanted to jump on here and
address a couple of comments that I have seen online
today about me being tone deaf and completely.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Out of touch.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
And I can't disagree with you. At the end of
the day, the comments I made were tone deaf and
completely out of touch, and for that I apologize. I
am genuinely really sorry. I can promise you that I
never made comments like this with the hope to make
anybody feel less than or make any fewone feel stupid
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or dumb, because at the end of the day, my
entire purpose is to financially empower women in particular, and
there's no world in which I would want anyone to
feel stupid. And I want to be really clear, I
was not saying that people who can't buy property are idiots.
(16:12):
I was saying that people who didn't understand the billboard
were idiots, and that is very rude. Still, that is
very unacceptable and for that I do apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Now, Victoria provided context for those who might not have
been across the whole story and confirm the screenshot was
from a conversation between her and Marty and that the
intention of her comment was to support a friend. She
also confirmed she gave Marty permission to post a screenshot,
as at the time she didn't see it as an issue.
It is interesting to note, though, when describing the billboard
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in this apology video, Victoria misquoted the slogan. So this
was pointed out by another TikToker called Rachel McQueen. So
Victoria misquoted the billboard and said making property more expensive
since twenty seventeen, when it actually said making homes more expensive. Now,
to me, the word home was strategically used on this
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billboard to evoke more anger and outrage from the everyday
ossie because the word home is a motive. It's the
place where you feel a sense of stability and security.
I feel like Victoria may have been trying to lessen
the blow by pretending that the campaign said properties and
not homes, because the word property is far less of motive.
It speaks to a possession. It doesn't speak to a
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place where everyday Australians live. And when you hear the
word property, it makes you think of rich and elite
people who own a number of properties that they rent out.
I disagree, Sophie. I just think it was a slip
of the tongue. The video went for about six minutes.
She was very off the cuff in the video. In
this apology, she referenced that she'd done wrong. She owned
up to saying I shouldn't have called my audience idiots.
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I think it was a slip of the time.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I mean, I definitely think that this was a good apology.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I just think it's interesting to analyze the misuse of
words there. Now. She did apologize several times, as you said, Amy,
and she apologized for hurting people by her comments and
making people feel less than She completely owned up to it.
I found this next admission really interesting because Victoria admitted
in the apology that she'd read all the comments about
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her and she found them confronting because she agrees that
she has become out of touch and unrelatable. Here's what
she said.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They're really upsetting, but they are also very confronting because
some of them, You're not wrong. I am a little
bit out of touch nowadays. I am, you know, a
little bit unrelatable. But what I want you to know
is that I know you because I was you. I
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have been in a position where I have been in
mountains of debt, not knowing how I was going to
pay it off. I have been in a position where
I just didn't think that property was ever going to
be for me. And now I am in the very
foot position where I do own property, and I am
very grateful for that. But I just want to make
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sure that the people that are in my community know
that I would never think of you were stupid or
less than or not worthy of these things.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Do you guys think that the money expert has to
be relatable or can they simply be aspirational. I think
it's difficult for Victoria Divine because you can see she's
wrestling with trying to be relatable but then also showcasing
that she is a successful businesswoman. And unfortunately, especially women
in the media and women who are influencers, they do
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struggle with showing off their wealth because a lot of
people tear them down over it. I think if Victoria
was struggling to get by, and it was clear that
her tips for financial freedom weren't working or advancing her
in any way. We would not be willing to take
her advice on board. I see her as a very
aspirational business woman and someone that a lot of women,
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particularly in her community, look up to. So for the
average person, maybe her lifestyle doesn't seem achievable, but maybe
they think if I implement some of these tips, I
might get a bit further ahead like her. Yeah, but
I think what a lot of listeners are grappling with
is Victoria will share money hacks to save I don't know,
like the tram fare, But then people see her in
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designer clothing and at her beach house and they're like, well,
that seems a little bit disingenuous. So it's this the
lifestyle and her influencing career is not really matching up
with what she shares on her money podcast, and that's
where the clash is wrong or right. I mean, as
you said, Sophie, I think she's a very successful business
woman and she should be well within her riots to
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promote the successes that she's had. But I can see
why there is a clash. I agree, because, as you said,
she hands out money advice to her community, but then
her community when they jump on her Instagram, they see
that she doesn't apply that to the way that she lives.
And that's been because she doesn't have to, because she
doesn't have the same financial pressures as her audience. I mean,
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she said herself that she's out of touch at the moment,
and I do wonder if that's impacting on her podcast success.
I mean, it's always in the charts, but I have
seen a lot of negative commentary in her reviews and
also online more recently, because she has been very vocal
and jumping on board different topics of discussion. So, for instance,
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she has been really vocal about all of the Kate
Forster stuff, and she is on a bit of a
crusade about MLMs, and whilst a lot of people have
agreed with her stance on them, I think people have
found maybe the approach to be a bit aggressive, and
I think that is backed up by her recent discussions
around Kate Forster. The apology did receive a mixed reception,
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so a lot of people found it to be very genuine.
You could hear the raw emotion in Victoria's voice, and
you felt like she was genuinely sorry for affecting her community,
whilst others said it's interesting to hear the opinion that
she's behind closed doors and thought that the emission of
her being out of touch made her look worse. What
I found quite surprising about the whole thing is that
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she agreed for the screenshot of her message to be
shared and then suddenly realized how bad it sounded, not
because of hindsight, but because she obviously absolutely copped it.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, let's throw to a reaction video that's currently going
viral to paint a picture of how some people are feeling.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All
the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,
took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made
me millions, all right, I'm talking about all the other
girls that can't buy their first home because you know
it's your fault.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You're idiots.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
You're not my target demographic, because really, the housing market,
what's that got to do with me? Nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Someone else who wasn't pleased and buying into the apology
was TikTok of Rachel McQueen, who has over eighty four
thousand followers now, she created a ten minute video sharing
her thoughts on Victoria's apology. She said she thought the
apology seemed disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
In my opinion, the reason that Victoria apologized is because,
unlike Marty, she did upset and alienate her target demographic,
the people that she makes money from, the people who
look to her for honest, relatable and non judgmental financial advice.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Of course she's going to.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Apologize when her whole brand is being relatable and non judgmental,
and it's just been discovered and a lot of people
are upset by the fact that she's not those things.
That is why she apologized and Marty didn't. That is
why she apologized and Marty didn't because it was her
target demographic that were upset, not Marty's. Marty's target demographic
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are people trying to profit from the housing crisis. Her
target demographic, especially through her new business ventures Zella Money,
is people who are struggling because of the housing crisis.
Victoria is in a dichotomy. She lives in a completely
different world to the people she's marketing to. It may
not have been that way in the beginning, but it
certainly is that way. Now. Did she admit in her
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apology that she is now out of touch with the
people that she's marketing to and that support her, Yes,
she did, But I am still not convinced that that
apology comes from a place of being empathetic toward those people.
I still believe, until it's proven otherwise, that the apology
came from a place of desperately trying to repair the
relationship with the majority of her audience, because, as em
(24:34):
put beautifully in this video and directly to Victoria, Victoria's
audience are struggling and cannot outsave and out hustle a
housing crisis.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It is interesting to note that Victoria has since deleted
her apology. What do you think about that move? I
think it came down to a few factors. She was
probably absolutely copying it in the comment section, which isn't
pleasant and sometimes you just don't want.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
To deal with.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I also think maybe it came down to sponsorship opportunities.
It's not a good look to have a video up
where you're saying you're out of touch and you aren't
relatable to your core demographic when you are trying to
get people on board. That isn't not worse to delete it,
because the way social media works is people will have
saved it and they'll stitch it up on TikTok or
on Instagram. And now you go over to her page
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and it looks like she's even guiltier because she's removed it. Well,
she also recently deleted a video where she called out
Kate Forster, So it's difficult because you want to look
like you believe in what you say and the content
that you put out there. I was really interested to
see if she's on the money, had lost any followers
since this drama. What surprised me is they've actually gained followers,
So they gained four thy two hundred this week, which
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can sometimes happen when scandals break out. Over the four
days when the controversy broke, Victoria did lose one hundred
and twenty two followers, but over the weekend she picked
up another five hundred and eighty four, so it doesn't
seem to be affecting her brand too much. But maybe
she got some advice to take it down because it
didn't look great to sponsors.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
See.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think a lot of the followers that she picked up.
Aren't genuine followers. They're probably just following her for the
controversy and maybe a bit of hate following. I hate
to say it.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Yeah, hey guys, hello, Oh so nice to.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Come.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's been a big week for Molly May Hague and
Tommy Fury. Just two days before Molly's tell all documentary
aired on Prime, Tommy piped her at the Post, revealing
the real reason behind their shock breakup. In an interview
with Men's Health, the boxer revealed it was his addiction
to alcohol that caused the split. Kate, there is a
lot to unpack here. I am dying to talk about
(26:41):
the Molly May doco, but let's start chronologically with what
Tommy had to say on Wednesday. It is the first
time Tommy has acknowledged he's had a problem with alcohol. Yeah,
it is, and it did come as quite a surprise
to some of his fans. So during the emotional interview,
Tommy revealed his dependence on alcohol actually started early last
year after he had react instructive surgery on his hand.
(27:02):
So the surgery was to repair a boxing injury from
twenty nineteen when he snapped all the ligaments in the
back of his hand. I actually remember Molly vlogging Tommy
post surgery and he was really frustrated. We now know
that that recovery had a very detrimental impact on Tommy's
mental health, and in the interview he said his mental
health was in the pan, and he started to spend
nights drinking with the goal to get blackout drunk.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
The reason why me and Molly broke up because I
got addicted to alcohol and I couldn't be the partner
that I wanted to be anymore. And it kills me
to say it's true, you know, I couldn't be. I
was loved to pint of beer, love to drink, you know.
And it is what it is. People go through different
things in life, and I have, you know, we all
have our crosses to bear.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Tommy isn't the only member of his family to grapple
with addiction. His brother, Tyson Fury, who was the heavyweight
champion of the world, he has also struggled with alcohol
addiction and cocaine abuse. Yeah, and we saw that play
out a little bit in real time on Tyson's doco
last year. Now, as expected, Tommy continued to deny cheating
was involved in this relationship breakdown. So initially, when the
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couple broke up back in August, the internet was rife
with rumors that Tommy had cheated on Molly, and one
persistent rumor was that Molly called off their relationship after
being sent a video of Tommy up to no good
on a boy's trip to Macedonia, and it even led
to a woman coming out to the media and claiming
that they kissed but she didn't know who he was.
There was also that rumor at the beginning of the
(28:29):
breakup that Tommy had got another woman pregnant who was
actually the daughter of a boxing coach. Well, that one
got shut down really quickly because the woman had to
come out and say no, this is my partner and
the father of my child. And at the time, Tommy
did vehemently deny these rumors, and a spokesperson for the
boxer said that his legal team were investigating them. Now,
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his stance on the cheating allegation was no different in
this men's health interview.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
There's been so much shit, so much crap in the
every single day for the past six months. I've done
this and I've done that, and it's like people don't
know the half of it. If it's not come from
my mouth or Molly's mouth, it's complete a not of bullshit.
It's like all I've been seen for the past six
months is cheeta, cheeta, cheeta, cheeta. Oh, he cheated, he
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slept with me, slept with this girl, slept with that girl.
Complete a lot of bollocks, and you can ask Molly yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I cannot get over the timing of this interview. Firstly,
it dropped two days before Molly's documentary Behind it All
aired on Prime. The producers would have been absolutely spewing.
This would have all been pre planned, particularly between Molly,
Tommy and their management. They wouldn't want Molly to be
revealing Tommy's secret because it looks like she would be
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exposing something that he's perhaps not ready to talk about
when it is something as serious as alcohol addiction. I
think you're right, Sophie, but I think this strategy has
only been enacted since the New Year's Kiss because a
lot of people now think that Tommy and Molly are
back together. Yeah, the New Year's Kiss definitely has a
lot to do with the timing of this doco, particularly
because originally I think that all six episodes were going
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to be aired at the same time, but it's now
been broken up to have three air now and then
three air in autumn. The date hasn't even been set.
It's clear that they're still filming because so much has
gone on behind the scenes, and it's hard for this
doco to keep up with the immediacy of TikTok and
everything that is happening. I don't think the producers, though,
would have been in on Molly allowing Tommy to go
(30:27):
to another rival media company in Men's Health and break
that news first. Because this doco it's called Behind All,
and it's been touted as the real story behind the breakup.
I think Molly's gone behind the back of the producers
and agreed on this with Tommy because in an interview
she did recently, she did say, well, Tommy's going to
come out and explain his side of things.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, I think it's Tommy's story to tell first.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I think it would have looked completely inappropriate if Molly
was to break that news.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I also noticed that.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
The two messages weren't the same throughout, so Tommy said
he has an alcohol problem, but in the documentary Molly's
said Tommy doesn't have an alcohol problem.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Drinking leads to problems.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And that to me reading between the lines, either meant
that he cheated or it made me think, has things
escalated behind the scenes, has something happened that again they're
not going to tell us about how I watched this
documentary with Dale and he said, do you know what,
maybe he's just a complete dickhead when he's been drinking. Well,
that's that vibe that everyone seemed to get. Yeah, and
(31:25):
it was really interesting to be a fly on the
wall in that conversation between Molly and her mum, Debbie,
and I felt for Debbie because Molly revealed that when
her parents broke up, her mum had issues with alcohol
and it was part of the reason why Molly didn't
want to be with someone who drank. And during the
docco they showed Molly rewatching the scene on Love Island
when she first met Tommy, and they kept in the
(31:48):
grab where Molly said, oh, do you drink and Tommy
said not really, and then she confirmed that she actually
doesn't drink either. That's a big part of her brand,
her being sober. I mean, she's even spoke recently on
a YouTube how she doesn't really like out and letting
herself go and having a drink.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Isn't it interesting? Though?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Because this New Year's Eve kiss seemed to all come
about because Molly was drinking and out there partying with Tommy.
Let's actually dive a little bit deeper into this doco.
So it was meant to document the leader to Molly
and Tommy's wedding, but when they broke up, it was
repurposed into a documentary about Molly navigating life as a
single mum as she launched her brand Maybe. Did anyone
(32:24):
else feel like some sections of the episodes were just
blatant ads though for Maybe. I don't actually think it
was a great ad for Maybe though, because they mentioned
a lot of criticism that the brand has got, especially
over the balling of one of its blazers. I mean,
I think it was more an ad for Molly May
at her personal brand, which I suppose then cascades down
into Maybe because people are only really buying the clothes
(32:46):
because of Molly May. But the documentary really showed from
her perspective that she was the one who was passionate
about rectifying this issue and giving back to her consumer
and making sure her audience weren't angry. Sophie really bought
into the good prs, so I was laughing with Dale's say,
I can imagine Sophi're working for her PR team.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well I did.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
What I did disagree with, though, is that they put
out a statement saying anyone who's had issues with this
jacket please contact us, But they didn't actually outline whether
they would get a refund.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
There was no resolution.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
They were acting like, oh, we just don't know what
to do. I said to Dale, just give everyone a
refund financially, though I don't think that the brand could
handle it. So you need to come down because we
are recording a subscriber only episode really getting to the
nitty gritty of the doco. But for now, I really
want to talk about what most people are interested in,
and that is the breakup. So the number one reason
(33:36):
people tuned in was to find out what actually happened.
I know Tommy did pip Molly at the post, as
you said earlier, but it was interesting to see that
their stories did match up because again she did reveal
that drinking was a problem in terms of talking about
the cheating, though she really glazed over that, so she
didn't actually back Tommy up and say there was definitely
no cheating. She did say this.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Though, on Somebody Pregnant, I'm really sorry to hear that
he's been with this person, And I was just like,
where is this coming from? It was a build up,
and there was It was a lot of times of
sort of okay, like last chance type situation. Last chance,
last chance, last chance, There's only so.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Much that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You can take. You kind of don't really have another choice.
You just have to You just have to do what
you have to do.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I feel like that comment was trying to shoot down
the validity of some of those cheating claims. But then
when we saw the scene of Molly rewatching her proposal
to Tommy, she reiterated that they actually had a huge
argument on the way there because she thought he had
photos of another girl on his phone because he wouldn't
let her look at the phone. Yeah, he was being shady,
(34:52):
and she asked, oh, can I check out the photos
you took of me? And he was being funny about it,
obviously because he had all of the engagement plans on
his phone. I saw a lot of people creating TikTok
saying that it was interesting that they left that section
of the interview in because it was sort of eluding
that there was cheating going on, but nothing confirming it. Oh,
there was so much eluding going on, and I think
Tommy's alcohol problem is a lot easier to blame, especially
(35:15):
if they do end up getting back together. I mean,
all of the conversations between Molly and her sister Zoe
in the car alluded to cheating being involved. Yeah, you
could tell that Zoe absolutely hates Tommy Fury's guts. I
thought it was really interesting when Zoe said that she
had clashed with Tommy as well, because often it is
the sisters who have to get involved. Well, she said
that she kept seeing Tommy cheating Molly so badly. Yeah,
(35:36):
I suppose she felt she had to stand up to her.
And I think it's because Zoe has a really lovely husband.
His name's Danny. He's in the Army. He seems to
be the opposite of Tommy and what he stands for,
So for her, she's like, why are you putting up
with this shit? Side note, My favorite scene of the
whole documentary so far was Molly and Zoe singing along
to the Saddle Club. Oh yea, I know that that
(35:57):
was aired in the U game. I love it because
it was so related, even though they're driving around in
this fuck off g wag and it was just like
every girl does that with their sister, have a little
sing alongs in the car. Back to Zoe hating Tommy's guts.
It's also probably because she's the only family member who
knows the ins and outs of the relationship with Tommy.
Because Molly said this.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I think Zoe ready struggles with Tommy and I the
most have anyone in my family because she has heard
it all now and I have really shared it all
with her.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, because Molly was like, oh, yeah, just go through
my messages, my WhatsApp with Tommy. Yeah, she's read too much.
Clearly interesting that they are conversing through WhatsApp because it's
a platform that's encrypted, so it's more difficult for the
press to break into her phone and get her messages.
And what we're so fascinating was on their YouTube channels,
on both Zoe and Molly's, they're always putting out such
(36:53):
positive content about their like, you know, going and doing
couple things. It was odd to actually hear Zoe negatively
talk about Tommy because it's always seems to be so
positive everything they say, but.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's just social media.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
At the end of the day, did anyone else think
that maybe Tommy ruined Zoe's wedding, because it does seem
like the wedding was a bit of a breaking point
for Molly May. She didn't go into details about what happened,
but she said this.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
He's never had an alcohol problem. It's just that alcohol
caused problems for us. It got to a point where
I wasn't really looking forward to anything because alcohol affected
it so much. I could only cite a couple of
examples where he had some alcohol and it's not led
(37:39):
to anything disastrous. I mean, I actually don't know any
I really don't my sister's wedding, Like I literally pleaded
with Tommy, like I begged him to not drink, and.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
It's it's just really sad because I don't know, I'm
crying enough.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well, the breakup came shortly after Zoe's wedding, so.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
They were on their honeymoon it came out, so this must.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Have been a tipping point for her.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Was anyone else surprised at how vocal Molly was about
her desire to get back with Tommy during this doco,
because I would love to know the timeline of when
those bits were filmed. Well, it was clear that she
blindsided Tommy when she released that statement saying they'd broken up,
and it felt like a really desperate move of Molly
to actually get Tommy's attention and to wake him up
and be like, look, I'm actually serious, because it sounded
(38:30):
like she had been threatening for a long time to
break up. Yeah, because she spoke through the process, so
this wasn't some joint decision to put out a statement.
She said she was sick of lying in her bed
wirying all night, so she thought this is the final straw.
This is going to show him that he needs to change,
but also make herself accountable because she said that she
probably wouldn't go through with the breakup if it wasn't public. Yeah,
(38:52):
And in the third episode of the doco, she revealed
to Zoe it was never meant to be a permanent thing.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
I know it's exhausting, but if you didn't draw a
line in the sand, it will carry on being exhausting
for the next time. But I don't want you because
I don't want to end. I knew we were going
to get back together.
Speaker 7 (39:09):
Surely you didn't.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
No, I did know that. No, because you're waiting for
why do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
How m not cried?
Speaker 5 (39:16):
All I want in this life is to be with
him and to have another baby with him, and to
grow old as a family, and to live in a
nice house together and to have a nice life together.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Fortunately, that's all I want. To be perfectly honest with you.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I think what's getting me through is the hope and
the idea that Tommy and I, well, we will end
up back together.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
You could tell Zoe was just like, oh for Fox, Yeah, yes,
what's going on? You do forget that they're only twenty five.
And when Molly was talking about the fact that Tommy
wants to be a regular twenty five year old and
got drinking with his friends and partying, but he also
wants to be have this stable relationship in this family life,
you can see that he's at a crossroad and he
doesn't know what to do. He almost doesn't want to
(39:57):
grow up. How sad was watching the vision of Molly
their phone out having to FaceTime Tommy to say good
night to Bamby. That made me feel really upset. I
think bye bye, that's all she ended the conversation. Every
con was bye bye. Notice her saying bye bye all
the time, and I was wondering if it was just
a Tommy because she felt awkward, but then she said
it to her manager and everyone in the colledep or.
One viral clip from this doc that's doing the rounds
(40:18):
on TikTok is a scene where Molly is trying to
feed her daughter Bamby, and there's a moment where Bambi
is absolutely losing it, and then Molly realizes the Bambi
is trying to say dadda because she misses Tommy. And
I've seen so many people saying that they were in
tears over this moment. It doesn't help that Bambi looks
exactly like Tommy Fury either, like it would be hard
(40:41):
to get over him when your daughter is his clone.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
The producers, of course, left all of us on the
edge of our seats in the last episode when Molly
revealed that she was so adamant that they were going
to get back together, but now she was worried that
the problems weren't going to go away, and then I
flashed to the teaser showing Molly's reaction to the headlines
that came out about their New Year's Eve kiss, and
she said, oh my god, what Molly May and Tommy
(41:05):
Fury kiss on New Year's Eve? That is so bad.
It's clear that this doco is having to play catch
up big time, and that is why they haven't actually
set an exact date for the second installment. It says
coming spring, as in the spring UK time, sometime around there.
Do you think it was always planned that it was
going to have this big break in between it, or
you're just going with the floor, because I think they
(41:26):
were almost scraping the barrel a bit to fill out
three episodes of content. A lot of it was on
the maybe controversy with the jacket we spoke about earlier,
so I think they've gone fuck well. A lot of
this stuff that's happening in current time is far more
interesting than what we've already recorded. I saw a lot
of people saying it was boring, but I absolutely loved it.
I thought the producers did an incredible job. It was
(41:48):
shot so beautifully. It was But if you weren't a fan,
of Molly May. I can say why some people might
think got she was a bit boring. She's got eight
million followers, so there are a lot of people invested
in her life and it's like, oh, well, we didn't
hear all the details. I thought what we did get
to hear was incredible. A thirty four year old Queensland
influencer has been arrested and charged after allegedly torturing and
(42:11):
poisoning her baby daughter to boost her social media following.
It's important to note that the reason why we and
other media outlets aren't naming the woman is to protect
the identity of the child. Now, kay, can you tell
us more? Yeah? So, on Thursday, the influencer was charged
with a multitude of offenses, including torture, making child exploitation,
(42:31):
material fraud, and multiple counts of administering poison. Now, vision
of the woman being arrested in her pajamas at her
home and then escorted into a police cart was circulated
to the media. The woman's face was blurred, but you
could tell who it was if you know who the
influencer is. What we can say is this influencer gained
a following by documenting her child's apparent battle with the
(42:53):
terminal illness on social media. Now it's alleged that the
poisoning took place between August and October, when and the
woman gave the baby, who had a medical condition, medications
that were not prescribed or medically approved. The charges follow
an extensive police investigation that took place after medical staff
from a Brisbane South hospital raised their concern. Now the
(43:14):
baby was already sick in hospital with a genuine illness
when staff suspected something was not right now. In a
press conference, Detective Inspector Paul Dalton labeled the alleged offenses
as abhorrent. He said, there are no words to describe
just how repulsive offenses of this nature are. There is
no excuse for hurting a child, especially not a one
year old infant who was reliable on others for care
(43:37):
and survival. Dalton confirmed the little girl is going well
and she and her siblings are safe, but he did
not say who was caring for them. When asked about
the woman's sentence, Dalton said, if convicted, she would be
facing substantial prison time.
Speaker 7 (43:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
The influencer has been also accused of defrauding donors of
sixty thousand dollars via a GoFundMe page that she allegedly
set up. Now, GoFundMe has announced they will refund the
money to people who donated, and I've already seen screenshots
of people sharing that that donation has been refunded to them. Now,
the thirty four year old woman appeared in a prison
(44:12):
magistrate's court on Friday, and her lawyer requested that she
beheld in protective custody because of concerns for her safety
following the publicity around her arrest. Now, she does plan
to apply for bail later this month, and the influencer
was remanded in custody and will face court again in
late January. Well, that is all we've got time for today.
(44:33):
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