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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Steph Claire
Smith's real estate empire up for sale, Graciepiscopo takes the
stand in her ex boyfriend's murder trial, and our highs
and Lows of the Week. But first, after weeks of speculation,
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Sky Wheatley chose a Instagram Q and A as the
former to address rumors that she'd.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Broken up with their baby daddy, Locky War.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Responding to a follower who asked what was going on
between the pair, Sky replied, honestly, not much to report.
We just have a little reset break from time.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And these comments came after a lot of speculation because
Lockie was staying in his parents house and he'd been
posting a few rogue Instagram stories as well, yes, the
Whole Sausages and Sauna saga. Now, when I read Sky
Wheatly's answer, I just assumed that they'd had a break
like they've had in the past, because she's been very
candid about the fact that they take breaks and then
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they come back together. However, the Daily Mail interpreted Sky's
answer differently, and they ran with the headline that Sky
and Locke had separated. Well, I think they interpreted it
how they wanted to, just for clickbase. Yeah, but it
was pretty embarrassing for them because they had to do
this major backflip because they ended up papping Sky at
her active wear pop up at Pacific Fair and she
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was there with Lockie and they were spotted cuddling and kissing.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So trying to save face.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
The Daily Mail wrote, Sky Wheatley has been packing on
the PDA with her partner Lachlan wat just days after
announcing their separation. I'm surprised they didn't try and frame
Lachlan as like a very supportive X or something. Yeah, well,
did they really think that Sky was going to announce
the end of her six year relationship with the father
of her two children with a casual Q and a
do they even know Sky Wheatley? Like, do you would
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be putting something out that was bigger than Ben her?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I could even imagine Lockie popping up in some kind
of YouTube tell all of why they split. That ran
for like forty minutes with absolutely no editing involved.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
This house. We met, we got engaged, we got married
in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Steph Claire Smith and her husband Josh Miller are in
the midst of a selling spree. Two of their multimillion
dollar properties are up for sale, just weeks after the
fitness entrepreneur was named on the afr's Young Rich List.
It's been a big month for Steph Claire Smith. Last week,
she announced that she was pregnant with her second child.
A couple of weeks before that, she revealed she'd been
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diagnosed with ADHD. Two weeks before that, she announced she
had a vibrator up her bub which went everywhere in
the press. So I don't know if that was part
of your rap cake. No, that wasn't, but we have
spoken about it a little bit on the podcast. Then
at the start of November, which is what I was
going to say, she was ranked number ninety seven on
the Australian Financial Reviews Young Rich List, with a net
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worth of forty two million dollars. Now she's back in
the news again because her husband Josh has announced that
he's selling his family's Murray River property.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Plus super Sluice.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Have uncovered plans that they're also selling their seven million
dollar mansion that they moved into just two years ago.
When it comes to the family property, it's a deliberate
advertising campaign that Josh is heavily involved in. So he's
been interviewed by real estate dot com and also the
Australian Financial Review about the listing. It reminded me a
lot of when Mitch Orville and Chloe Zepp were selling
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their house. Just how much publicity this is getting. Yeah,
they're very keen to get the messaging out there. And
I was shocked when I found out that they were
selling the property because Steph has spoken in length about
how special it is to her. It's where she first
met Josh, it's where they got engaged and also got married,
And in the interview, Josh said, it's very sentimental. Outside
of just being a beautiful property, it holds almost all
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my memories from being a little boy growing up riding
dirt bikes and I'm now thirty three, so it's had
a massive part in my life.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's funny because originally, when Steph started referring to this
family property, I thought it was some regular shack down
at the Murray River, but this is far from that. Oh,
I had a good time looking at the photos and
videos of this property. So it's located on the Victorian
and New South Wales border at Bury, which is around
a three hour drive from Melbourne, or if you're rich,
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a forty five minute chopper ride. And if the chopper
access didn't give it away, the fact this property has
a name just demonstrates how fancy it is. It's called
the Clarendon. I wait a sex, So does it have
a chopper pad where you can land on? Well it
must because they kept talking about this chopper access. I
would love to run you through some of the features
of this property. So it's a sixteen hectare property and
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has seven bedrooms and five bathrooms. So the main homestead
was built from two existing dwellings which were shipped to
the property to create one large home.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, so one of the buildings was a weatherboard home
and the other was the former Mornington art gallery.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
So sorry, that is actually crazy.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And it also has its own golf course, a twenty
two meter swimming pool, spa tennis court, Olympic built in trampoline,
cinema or a mental turtcoise lake, ten car garage and
a machinery shed. It also has thirty five established palm trees.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Like? This is an absolute mansion. Can you imagine rocking
up to this and not realizing how big it actually is?
Like you've just come along for a stay at Josh's house.
I would love to stay at the Lace. So its
own golf course. Yeah, what does Stosha's parents do?
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Well?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I did some digging because I thought the exact same thing.
And his dad, Ken is the owner of a shop
fitting company, which seems pretty large. They've got fifty employees.
Josh actually used to work for him, But it doesn't
seem from the outside like they've come from a lot
of money. So Ken dropped out of high school I
think in year eight, and he was just really interested
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in maintaining golf courses. So when he bought this property
back in two thousand and six, he started to build
his own golf course and it's just gone from there.
But apparently it's a very high quality golf.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Course, not that I know a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, I can't imagine it's some sort of little crappy
putting green is put in there now. It has been
listed on real estate dot Com for eight to eight
point eight million dollars. But one thing that's confused me
about this whole thing is who actually owns the property,
because the Australian Financial Review is reporting that Josh's dad
Ken does, and they said that he purchased it nearly
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twenty years ago in two thousand and six. However, when
I was doing some digging, according to domain it was
last sold in twenty seventeen for just one hundred and
thirty thousand dollars, while it's sold for eight hundred and
seventy thousand back in two thousand and six when Ken
first purchased it. Well, sometimes if you own a property
and you want to give it to your children or something,
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you can sell it for a much reduced price. Maybe
this is what's happened, or maybe for business reasons the property.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Has been passed on to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, it's strange because Steph and Josh have been publicly
stating that they own the property. So after their wedding,
there was a lot of interest in the property because
it was the backdrop of this amazing influence wedding, and
Josh took on the role of leading renovations on the property.
He also advertised it as a property that you could
rent out for corporate events or I mean, I suppose
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if you've got a lot of money, you could also
stay in it. And the couple even did a deal
with the Blind Company and they were plastered all over
their website as the owners of the property. Let's throw
to a little bit of the video.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Hi, I'm Steph, this is Harvey and I'm Josh, and
welcome to our home clarendonare So we're currently in northern Victoria.
We're about forty minutes north of Shepherd and on the
Murray River. Obviously we're surrounded by the bush and we're
actually neighboringing the Barme State Forest. So it was really
important to bring the wow element of outside inside well.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
To add further intrigue to this story. As you mentioned
at the start, k super Sleeves have spotted that Steph
and Josh's Brighton East mansion is set to be listed too.
So the couple only purchased the resort style home back
in late twenty twenty one, and at the time they
paid seven million dollars for the property, So they previously
lived in the area and sold their former home for
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three point four million in June twenty twenty one, they
made just under a million dollars from when they bought
it in twenty nineteen. What's really fascinating is that Josh
has been front and center promoting the sale of his
family property.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yet we haven't.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Heard Josh or Steph share any news about the sale
of this house. It was super sloops. As we said,
that found this listing by white Fox real Estate. Now,
when I saw a white Fox real Estate, I was like,
is that even a real real estate company or is
that something to do with the brand. It's definitely not
related to the clothing brand. White Fox real Estate have
been around for quite a while. God, I have never
heard of them, so I had to go check out
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their page to make sure it was legit. And the
real estate company and also the real estate agent, Lana Samuels,
shared a photo outside the property with the caption the
deal the Palms by Plessa Perkins and inform coming soon,
and they also shared a real showing off the amazing property.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
God, it's nice.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Why do you think they're selling both of the properties?
It seems interesting timing to have them go on the
market around the same time, and also just a week
after def announced her pregnancy with her second child. I
wonder if they waited because if both of the properties
had gone on the market, people might have thought that
Steph and Josh had broken up, which they clearly have
a well, there was some speculation that they might have
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broken up around the time that Steph revealed she had
a big announcement to make on her podcast. I mean
that turned out to be Steph's ADHD diagnosis, and obviously
the pair are very happy together. Yeah, well, that clearly
isn't the reason. I think it may have something to
do with Steph's wealth. So, as we touched upon she
was named in the Young Rich List. She has forty
two million dollars to her name. That has gone up
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a lot since she last featured on it. So I'm
guessing that maybe they're wanting to expand their actual living
quarters in Melbourne rather living like they're wanting to upgrade
from the seven million dollar property. I mean, it makes
sense if they're having another baby. I assume there would
be more than enough space for a second baby in
a seven million dollar property, but why not actually go
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fuck it, We're going to buy a bigger place. Maybe
doing well, Yeah, maybe the second baby needs its own
win maybe state. But the interesting thing is that a
lot of the time when people start selling off properties,
it actually indicates that they're not doing as well financially,
which is why it's so interesting, because Steph is doing
better than ever. Yeah, but why not keep the family property?
That's really sentimental. So Josh was quoted in the article
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saying that after developing the compound into what it is
today with his father and brother, it was time for
his family to move on to another project and pass
the private oasis onto another family.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I would be keeping it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, doesn't Steph kless Smith's family have a property nearby? Yeah,
so that's the interesting thing. The town only has one
hundred and sixty people in it, and Steph klees Smith's
family owned a property there, and then Josh's family had
one as well.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But do they still have it?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, I thought they did, but Steph has been staying
more at Josh's family's house because I mean, obviously it's
got to go. Of course, Olympic sized Paul trampoline, so yeah,
so I would be too. But I did notice that
the family are celebrating Christmas at the property this year,
so it must be a final Farewell you follow Gracie Piscopo.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Gracie is one of the great many social media stars
who are wildly popular, but to whom normal people are
completely oblivious. The twenty six year old is considered Tammy
Hember two point zero because she has also modeled for
the Kardashians.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Perth influencer Gracie Piscopo has taken the stand in the
murder trial of her ex boyfriend Andre Robello. Rebello is
accused of murdering his mother to access her life insurance
policy in a bid to alleviate his debt and maintain
a glamorous lifestyle. Rebello denies killing his mother, but has
admitted to forging documents in order to obtain the five
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hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy, which he took out
in her name days before her death. His defense team
claims he took out the policies at his mum's request. Now,
there has been a lot of speculation over whether Gracie
would take the stand. This week, she appeared as the
final witness in the trial, and we do want to
reiterate that Gracie has not been accused of any wrongdoing
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in terms of reporting on this story, we are being
really careful because we only want to discuss the facts
today and not delve into our own personal opinions and hearsay,
because this is a matter that is still in front
of the courts and we don't want to say anything
that could prejudice this case. Well, while Gracie isn't under
investigation for any wrongdoing, her name has been all over
this case. Yeah, and it's easy to see why. She
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is an influencer with over a million followers. It adds
a lot of intrigue or even more intrigue.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
To this case.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And it was only two weeks ago that her financial
status was under the microscope. So not only was her
salary revealed, but the court also heard that both she
and Andre were living off borrowed money and applying for
Centrelink benefits. So in court proceedings, it was revealed that
Gracie made one hundred and forty one thousand dollars in
twenty nineteen and two hundred and nineteen thousand the following year. However,
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despite her high salary, it was revealed that she was
in debt with multiple credit cards, personal loans, and after
pay accounts and a few months before Colleen's death, Gracie
and Andre Ribello both applied for the early release of
their super annuation under the COVID nineteen hardship rules, and
Gracie also applied for Centlink job seeker payments. And just
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to point out, a lot of people did this during COVID, Yeah,
a lot of people were, but it's quite clear that
they were in financial hardship because around that time Gracie
also made eight loan applications and multiple credit card applications.
Just eight months before Andre was arrested, he also applied
for bankruptcy with just fifty dollars cash and eight hundred
worth of assets to his name. Now, when Gracie appeared
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in court, she was questioned about the day of Colleen's death.
So at this time she and Andre had been in
a relationship for eight years and were living together with
their son. So Gracie told the court it was just
like any regular week day. She said Andre had left
that morning to run errands, which included dropping off some
clothes at his mum's house for his younger brother. Now
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this is in contrast to what Gracie told the police
in twenty twenty when interviewed. Originally, she told them that
she and Andrea hadn't left their home on the day
of his mother's death. Prosecutors quized Gracie about why her
story had changed, and she told them I didn't think
it was important, and when pushed further by prosecutors, she responded,
it was scary, and I just told them what I
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knew and what I could remember. Prosecutors then accused Gracie
of trying to protect Andrea, to which she responded, I'm
telling the truth the best I can. I came to
court because I have been spoken about the entirety of
the trial and I want to have my voice. Everything
I do is for my son. I'm just following my
heart and doing the right thing right now. I'm just
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telling the truth to help everyone. And I can understand
where she's coming from because her face has been splashed
all over this case, even though she is not the
one on trial now. On Monday, the court was shown
phone records which revealed Gracie had tried to call Andre
more than a dozen times between eleven ten am and
eleven thirty five am on the morning.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Of his mother's death.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
She'd also sent him several text messages asking him to
answer the phone and asking him where he was. So
messages range from answer your fucking phone to where are you?
And oh my god, I swear to god, Andre, do
you have a phone? What is wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Answer?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
For fuck's sake, I'm fuming at you. I'm so angry. Now,
prosecutors allege that Andre was in the process of killing
his mum while Gracie was attempting to get a hold
of him. This is something that Andre denies now. When
asked about these messages, Gracie explained that she was really
frustrated with her boyfriend at the time because he had
a habit of keeping his phone on silent and she
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thought he was coming home to see her cousin. Now,
he did end up getting home around lunchtime while her
cousin was still there, and she said there wasn't anything
unusual about him and confirmed he had no injuries. Now,
part of the States case against Andre Ribello has been
attempting to build up a narrative that he was in
debt and being hounded by collection agencies. So they are
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alleging he was desperately trying to maintain and I quote
a plastic fantastic lifestyle. So a lot of questions were
aimed at Gracie about her financewers.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I found this particularly interesting from an influencer perspective because
normally influencers don't share how much they're hirving, but obviously
in this situation she had to. So she told the
court she could earn up to eight thousand dollars in
Instagram post through her brand collaborations, and as much as
five thousand dollars for.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
A YouTube video promotion.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
She also revealed one of her brand deals earned her
eighty thousand dollars over twelve months. It was also revealed
in court that Andre Rebello was working as Gracie's assistant
and he was earning around twenty thousand dollars and also
was a stay at home dad, so this isn't start
contrast to the figures that Gracie was earning. Now, Gracie
was also asked about a conversation she allegedly had with
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Andre in the week surrounding his mother's death. Prosecutors alleged
that Andre told Gracie he was going to get five
hundred thousand dollars in cryptocurrency. However, Gracie said that she
couldn't recall the conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
However, when asked if.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Andre had told her he was finally going to make
a big sum of money before his mom died, Gracie replied,
I guess.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
This court case is continuing and we will keep you
up to date with any relevant findings that come out.
Now let's get into our highs and lows of the week, Amy,
I'm going to kick things off. My low of the
week is my postpartum hair loss. I thought I had
missed it. I was getting really cocky. I'm like, Oh,
it's not going to happen to me. I've always had thin,
shit hair, so I.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Was like, maybe I'm in luck.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Maybe my scalp is going to hold onto this extra
thigger hair. It was looking shiny. I'd even been getting
compliments about it, which is very unusual for my hair. No. Literally,
at the four and a half month mark, it started
dropping out and it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Has still came out.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Is it just like when you brush your hair, just
heaps of extra hairs come out or does it actually just.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Like fall out?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So what happens is you suddenly start noticing a lot
more hair coming out in the shower and then so before,
when I was pregnant and postpardum, for up to that
four month period, i'd put a hair tie my hair
and no hair would come off. And literally there is
so much hair attached to my hair ties. I've got
them hanging in the shower. They look so disgusting. Our
drains are starting to get blocked up. Yeah, and it
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just comes out and like, and I'm like, I am
going to be bald. I have no hair left, so
I think I'm actually going to have to get the
mum bob. And I've always judged people for doing that.
I'm like, why would you cut your beautiful hair off?
But now I get don't cut it because I can't
stand the winging associated with it. I think, just hold on,
like that's gonna pass.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Hair will come back. Yeah, it will come back.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's gonna It's taken me years to grow it to
this length.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I'd leave it if I were you.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Now I'll get into my high of the week, and
it's quite a sad one because yesterday I was having
a bit of a tough day. Reese was at work,
he was working late, so I'd been home with Jack
all day and night by myself, and it was a
really challenging day. Jack did not want to go to sleep.
He's just started working out how to roll and he's
been waking himself up. So it was around eight o'clock
and I couldn't get him to go to sleep, and
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it took about forty minutes. And when I finally did,
I came out and the dinner I'd put in the oven,
which was baked potatoes, they'd burnt. They were actually absolutely
a crisp and I actually felt like crying. Then you
text me saying that Sarah's Day's birth log has come out,
and I was like, my day has just turned around completely.
So I scraped off the burnt potatoes ate them in
front of the vlog and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It
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was a very good vlog, wasn't it. I mean, Sarah's Day,
she does deliver, especially when it comes to a birth log,
and it was quite different to her other birth logs
because she spent a lot of her time laboring at
home as opposed to at the hospital. My mom was
asking me, oh, should I watch it, and I said, well,
ninety percent of it is actually just her screaming out
in pain, like it was the biggest advertisement to have
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a cesarean In my mind, we are going to dive
a little bit deeper into that in the Subs episode,
a bit more of an unfiltered space where we can
share what I really thought about it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It was good. I enjoyed it though, Yeah, I enjoyed it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What about you, Amy, what is your high for the week?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Well?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
My high of the week was the social media coverage
that has followed the Jake Paul and my Tyson fight.
I mean, admittedly I didn't actually watch the fight on Netflix,
but I have watched the lead up episodes to it,
and Mike Tyson is fucking hilarious, whether he means to
be or doesn't mean to be. Like There's been so
many clips of him that have gone viral, and my
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favorite one so far was a young child who interviewed
Mike in the lead up to the fight.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Let's throw to the clip.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And your return to the ring for this fight. You
are setting a monumental opportunity for kids my age to
see the legend Mike Tyson in the ring for the
first time. So, after such a successful career, what type
of legacy would you like to leave behind when it's
all set and done.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Well, I don't know. I don't believe in the word legacy.
I think that's another word for ego. Legacy doesn't mean nothing.
That's just some word everybody grabbed on to. Someone said
that word, and everyone grabbed on the words, and I
was used every five seconds. It means absolutely nothing to me.
I'm just passing through. I'm gonna die and it's gonna
be over. Who cares about legacy after that? We're a
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big eagle, so I'm gonna die. I want people to
think that I'm this, I'm great, I'm no ware nothing
where you're dead with dust, absolutely nothing. Our legacy is nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, thank you so much for sharing that. That is
something that I have not heard before someone say that as.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
An answer, Can you really imagine something? I want my
legacy to be this way when I get dead? You
think I really want to think about you? How? What
the dad there? I think I want people to think
about me when I'm gone. Who the fuck cares about
me when I'm gone? Or my kids?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Maybe a grandkid. She actually recovered so well because you
stopped it king, and she goes up to say, like, oh,
thank you. I've actually never really thought of that before,
but thank you so much for sharing that with us.
That reminds me when I was working at the thirty six,
because we always used to get these kid journalists wanting
to interview players. That is absolutely hilarious because normally you
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would just play along and hi little kid. But oh,
that is so fun. I actually got tears in It
actually reminds you a little bit of when I was
working at seven. We went out to interview this poor
lady who'd lost her house. It had burnt down overnight,
and she said in this grab, she goes, it was
just burnt to a crisp and it was so terrible
because I included that grab in the story. And while
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it was not funny that her house burnt down, sometimes
you have to make light of things in those negative situations.
And this editor and I were in the booth and
he kept playing that same grab over and over and
over again and we which is absolutely cracking.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
It.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Just the evil media overld. Okay, what is your low
of the week. My low of the week is that
over the weekend I made an impulse purchase of a
whole load.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Of Christmas lights. Is that your low?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I'm getting to it, Okay, My low is that they
haven't arrived, and they said they were going to arrive
within three days. I want the Christmas lights up on
the house now. Like I know, it's only November, but
it seems like everyone is celebrating earlier and early yeah
this year, and I'm getting freaked out that all my
decorations aren't up. Yeah, but when I arrived, there were
three little reindeers in the hallway. That is just one
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of the packages that's arrived. Oh so only ones arrived,
but not the main Yeah, yeah, I've so the one
I really want to arrive is I've got this Santa
who He's on a sleigh and there's saying I think
there's four reindeers.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And he looks like he's sort of like whipping them along.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I see them everywhere around and all of the fancy neighborhoods.
So I decided I'm going to bring a bit of
class to my neighborhood and have one of these up
on the house.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I'm so jealous.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I really want one of those, but I'm trying to
be good this year and not buy too many Christmas decorations.
They were on sale as part of the Black Friday
sales so that was my excuse of purchasing them. Yeah,
I've invested too much money into Jack's December first bot.
I keep blaming Jack as well. I'm like Dale. I
think Jack would like to see the house all lit
up for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He would, He very much would.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Well, I think that's all we've got time for today.
Thanks for listening to another episode of Outspoken. If you
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Planes we pay respect elders pass and present