September 18, 2024 • 48 mins
A messy three-way feud has broken out between the country's most controversial reality stars. Former MAFS contestant Cyrell Paule is at war with Skye Wheatley and Jessika Power after they shared their thoughts on a viral clip of Cyrell’s recent appearance on the Amazing Race.
An Australian TikToker has taken aim at two popular influencers, labelling them as ‘bullies’. During a ‘story time, get ready with me’ video, Ella Kemp accused the influencers of being rude to her at a VIP event and for bitching about her on their podcast.
A US TikTok couple is facing backlash for appearing to leave their kids unattended in their cabin, whilst they dined out at a restaurant during their family cruise. The couple in question Matt and Abbey Howard have been forced to issue a statement refuting the claims.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torber and coming up on today's show. A micro
influencer has called out podcasters Lucy Jackson and Nicky Westcott
over a festival run in a TikTok couple is facing
backlash for appearing to leave their kids unattended while they
(00:25):
dined out on a cruise. And our highs and Lows
of the Week, But first old wounds have been reopened
as a messy three way feud has broken out between
the country's most controversial reality stars. Former Math's contestant Cyrel
Paul is at war with Sky Wheatley and Jessica Power
after they shared their thoughts on a viral clip of
(00:47):
Cyrel's recent appearance on The Amazing Race. Now, So, if
things have kicked off over the last few days, but
I want you to rewind a bit to Cyrel and
her partner Eden Dally's appearance on The Amazing Race. Amazing
Race producers have struck gold with this couple. They clearly
knew what they were doing by casting Cyrel and Eden
because both of them have appeared on reality shows before,
(01:09):
and they have both brought fireworks to those shows, so
Cyrel is no stranger to controversy. She appeared on Maths
in twenty nineteen and she quickly earned herself the title
of cyclone Cyrel. So she made headlines when she threw
a glass of white wine in fellow Maths contestant Jessica
Power's face. She also found herself at the receiving end though,
(01:31):
and I had forgotten this because Martha Calor for Titas
she was on the same series. This was the most
iconic series of Maths, and she poured a glass of
red wine over Cyrel's head at one of the dinner parties.
How did you forget that? I think that was the
most iconic scene that has ever been in Maths. I
just didn't realize that they were all on the same series.
I mean this was five years ago. Well, her baby
(01:52):
daddy Eden. He also has a fiery temper because when
he appeared on Love Island in twenty eighteen, he was
involved in a scuff with Grant Crap. So Grant Crap
was couped up with Taylor Demir. I can't even imagine
the two of them talking now. They won the show
because he turned out to have a secret girlfriend. Yeah,
and at the time it was touted as a punch
(02:13):
up between Eden and Grant, but I went back and
had a look at the clip and no punches were
actually thrown, but they both grabbed one another by their
shirts and there was a lot of swearing and yelling
and they had to be pulled apart by the other contestants.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I remember that the UK was also screening Love Island
Australia at the time, and everyone was so excited over
there because they'd never seen such a big fight in
the UK version. Yeah. I have never seen the UK
guys fight with one another. If anything, it's a bit
of a boy's club and they always back each other. Yeah,
there's like one fight and then they're like sorry mate, Yeah,
no worries, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
The Amazing Race kicked off last week on Channel ten
and it is airing on Sunday and Monday nights. And
it's safe to say that free to air TV has
taken a huge battering, and it's clear that the networks
are trying to draw in younger viewers, particularly by selecting
contestants that strike a chord with gen Zetters because we've
seen gold Co's influencer Lily Brown and Jack Kenny on
(03:08):
the show, which I think is a fantastic move. Yeah.
I haven't tuned in yet, but seeing Lily Brown and
there really sparked my interest and I think I may
actually watch it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
We can see that The Amazing Race is working hard
to get these younger viewers in because they are sharing
a lot of snippets from the show in the form
of reels in order to entice people to come and watch,
because I mean, I always forget when the free to
air shows are on. And The Amazing Race Australia's Instagram
account currently has thirty three thousand followers and they created
their first viral moment by sharing an altercation between Cyrel
(03:39):
Eden and Ian Thorpe and his longtime friend Christian Miranda.
I never thought that I would speak about Ian Thorpe
in the same topic as Cyrel and Eden, but here
we are. Let's throw to the clip we.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Have to dig before Christian about us foulnia, about what
about us following you to dig?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You were? What do we say that's something in the car?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Was we made the wrong term with the men about.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I'm talking about you being how smart, That's what I'm
talking about. Yeah, and you ain't that. You ain't swimming
right now either, to an import friend known as an
imports friend.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Just so you know, it's not you, it's all him.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Thanks Mary.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, you're welcome, You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You've got anything else smart to say?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Christian to keep.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Maybe when you don't know nothing, you keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That's what you should do. Your side, Kim, we could
hear them carrying on.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I'm not even buying into it.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Like with such a threat.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh my god. They're following up a bit rich of
Cyral who was on maths what five years ago, to
be questioning the authenticity of one of the other contestants. Yeah,
that's the thing. It's quite an unusual move from a
reality TV contestant to demean someone else over their celebrity status,
because generally in TV land, it's reality contestants or influencers
(05:09):
who are having to prove themselves because generally they're viewed
as having no talent and that it's an easy ride
because they've got these followers that have just popped up
out of nowhere. And in this instance, Christian isn't the
only amazing race contestant without a profile, because Peter Hellier
is on there with his wife. There's Billy Brownless who
was on there competing with his son. So I just
(05:31):
didn't understand why she was throwing around her weight like
this and trying to big note herself. I mean, I
love it. It's completely petty. It's great for reality TV.
Don't like it though, because I just think it was
a really disrespectful way to speak to Thorpi and also
his friend Christian. Did you expect much more from her?
She didn't, but she's well known for throwing a glass
(05:51):
of wine in someone's face. I didn't, but I think
that a lot of listeners like me will have a
reaction to this because this is a goal medalist, it's
an Olympian, he has done a lot for our country.
And this friend though well, but she was also directing
it at Thorpy as well, saying, oh, you're not swimming.
I just think it was really disrespectful. It was one
(06:11):
hundred percent disrespectful. But as I said, I would not
expect more from these two. They've been brought in to
cause drama like this, and they're going to continue throughout
the whole series. Well, it did elicit a strong response
in the comments section, and a majority of the viewers
were appalled by their actions. One wrote embarrassing those two
are back on TV, whilst another said she should take
(06:33):
her own advice. She is the one who needs to
keep her mouth shut because her mouth runs more in
this race than her feet so far, whilst others questioned
who even is she and why is she taking a
crack at Ian Thorpe, who is actually a celebrity and
an Australian legend. Well, I'm getting the vibe that maybe
Sky Wheatley is a Thorpy fan too, because this is
(06:54):
where she entered the chat. So she shared the clip
of Cyrel's argument on the Amazing race on Instagram story
and wrote, Cyrel is so scary guys, I'm having PTSD
watching this from our little interaction we had with a
crying face emoji. She then appeared on her Stories from
her Turkey hotel room where she was recovering from her
(07:15):
Fox I lift and said this.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
If you guys don't know what I'm talking about, I'm
going to put the link to the video from the
interaction that we had, But I swear it was like
set up because the girl next to Cyril was already
filming anyway, I'm like, not problematic at Actually, yeah, you
could say I'm problematic who has yellow? But I was
(07:40):
actually just asking her questions and I didn't realize she
would react like that.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
But then after it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Happened, I was like, am I in an episode of
mass Like? It was crazy? But she ranked great TV.
I'm actually really excited to watch the amazing race this year.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
This that's the interaction that Sky is referring to, is
a fight that broke out between the pair at an
influencer event in twenty twenty two. And this event in
question was ironically for well known mums to promote baby formulas,
So it just seemed like a really innocent and wholesome event.
But that is not how the event went down. So
to set the scene, Cyrel was sitting in the middle
(08:21):
of the table and there were three people between her
and Sky. So Sky was at the head of the
table and she was chatting to all of the other
girls and she was somewhat broadcasting the conversation across the table. Yeah,
and things became heated pretty quickly when Sky asked Cyrel
if her relationship with Eden was genuine. And this is
because in twenty nineteen, Eden and Cyrel debuted their relationship
(08:44):
through pap photos and at the time many people speculated
that this was set up because it seemed like they
were trying to extend their fifteen minutes of fame. Well,
it was a very random pairing because it's not like
they were both on maths or something, and I think
everyone was confused about where they met each other. Yeah,
and what made matters worse is that following these photos
being published, Jessica Power came out and claimed that Eden
(09:08):
had asked her to be with him for publicity, and
she then claimed that Eden had been bagging out Cyrel
to her and then suddenly, weeks later they were announcing
that they were in love to the rest of the world. Well,
even more shockingly, they announced five months into their relationship
that they were expecting a child together. So it was
a very hot and cold relationship. They ended up breaking
(09:29):
up during the pregnancy, and then they got back together
just before the child was born. Now, getting back to
this dinner party, there was a guest sitting next to
Cyrel who began recording the exchange. This made Sky think
that it was possibly set up. So Sky firstly asked
Cyrel how she met Eden. She then said, I saw
an article that said you guys had a fake relationship
(09:49):
for clout or something. Now Cyrel's response is muffled, but
it sounds like she told Sky it was inappropriate to
talk about what was in the newspaper.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, you know, you gotta limits otherwise someone I have
to teach it.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Were getting really upset about it.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Who said that, lid real. No, there's been appropriate questions.
I don't need to ask that. Maybe it's a dish.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Just know that it's I will.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Put you in your plate, and I will put you
in your place.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I will put you in your plate, eat your food,
or hug.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Your face in it.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So Sky clearly got an insight into what it's like
being on maths. Well, luckily no wine was thrown in
this incident, but this was almost worse. And I think
it's quite clear from the video that Sky was a
bit intoxicated, because there were points where she was laughing. However,
when Cyrel started making threats, Sky looked genuinely scared. Yeah,
I remember talking about this on the podcast a few
(10:59):
years ago, and really the consensus from listeners was that
they felt sorry for Sky because Sky gets herself into trouble.
But I don't actually think she has a malicious bone
in her body. Now that we are all up to
speed on the drama, Cyrel was not happy with Sky's
comment about the amazing race, and she clapped back on
(11:19):
her Instagram story, calling Sky a bully and accusing her
of being racist. She wrote, I'm so scary, guys, this
is proving exactly what I mean. See, you need to understand.
When I call myself crazy or someone I love, I
know it's a joke. But when it's coming from someone
I know who doesn't like me, I know it's a
backhanded compliment. That is why, as a woman of color,
(11:41):
this portrays me as aggressive and violent and it's not okay.
Of course, a light skinned woman is allowed to call
another woman of color crazy, but if a dark skinned
woman like me called you a crazy, shit stirring bitch
who only commented to express a passive, aggressive comment, I
would again be considered as the aggressive, crazy black bitch.
She then shared a promotional graphic that Channel ten had
(12:03):
sent out when Sky one, I'm a celeb and it
explained how she was donating her winnings to the charity
Bully Zero. So Cyrel wrote across this amazing she picked
Bully zero as her charity? Am I crazy? Or is
that hypocritical? Well, it seems like old feuds are being ignited, left,
right and center in this story, because if you'll believe it,
Jessica Power also entered the chat, and as we mentioned
(12:25):
at the start of the segment, they're not exactly best friends.
In an interesting move, jess came in to defend Sky
and I was quite surprised to see this because Jess
makes a living of OnlyFans and last year Sky made
really offensive remarks about OnlyFans creators which seemed to ruffle
some feathers. I mean, I think the only reason she
came to her defense is more out of her hatred
(12:46):
for Cyrel. Yeah, because this all went down on so
Dramatics Instagram posts, so the publication was reporting on the
story and on their Instagram account, they included a screenshot
of Cyrel's comments directed at Sky. Now, Jessica commented underneath
the post, saying, oh mate, give it a rest already.
I'm not surprised Sky has PTSD from her, She's as
(13:08):
reactive as they come. She will find an argument out
of thin air. That woman, Well, this story feels a
little dirty and it's very much in the weeds because
Cyrel then took a screenshot of Jessica's comment and called
her out on her story, saying, Oh, Jessica, the only
person who should give it a rest is you and
your lying ass. Go start another Go funny, Paige, bitch
(13:30):
for someone who likes to run their mouth when the
only thing you seem to have run out of is money.
She continues, saying, couldn't even pay for your dad's funeral.
Wears your money from OnlyFans. I was going to suggest
to sell one of your prior bags, but if there
are anything like that, you're probably rocking a pra dough steal,
a fake ass, irrelevant bitch trying to comment so you
can make headlines again. I hope me giving you attention
(13:52):
can rebuild your career. God knows you need the money. Wow,
what a low blow mentioning the dad's funeral. Oh, because
that is in reference to Jessica's brother Reese posting a
go Fundme page, and that was asking for assistance to
pay for their dad's funeral fees. I just think Sorell's
proving Jessica's comment in the first place a bit how
(14:13):
reactive she is. Oh exactly. I mean going back to
this funeral, because we didn't actually cover this story at
the time. It just seemed a bit off to be
talking about it because a lot of followers came out
and questioned why jess and her brother, who earned large
amounts of money off OnlyFans, would have to ask for
assistance with a funeral built. Because jess reportedly makes one
hundred and ten thousand dollars per month on the platform,
(14:35):
so you think that she would be able to cover
those costs now, Jessica told The Daily Mail that the
whole family were pitching in along with the fundraising campaign
and that their dad passed away so suddenly that the
funeral did come as an unexpected cost, and she went
on to explain that her sister's fiance created the GoFundMe
before she even knew about it, so it seems like
(14:58):
the siblings were trying to raise money for what they
owed for the funeral. Yeah, it just all got very
messy now, As expected, Jessica clapped back at Cyrel's stories,
She wrote, not that it should even be something I
should need to address, but it was actually a family
member who started that page, not knowing or asking who
could contribute or how much a funeral could cost. I
(15:20):
would honestly sell one of my handbags to get you
the anger management you need. Who brings up someone's grief
as a way of retaliation? Still the same bitter, horrible
girl that we all know. I don't care to stay relevant,
but you've done one TV show after however many years, mate,
calm down. Ha. It was getting very tipfer tat at
(15:41):
this stage, and Cyrel responded saying, lo, your response is
as stupid as you are. Girl. How can you pay
for my anger management classes when you can't even pay
for your dad's funeral? And if you were going to
sell your bags you would have. Yet you started a
go fundme, Paige, Damn, I'll start you with GoFundMe now,
Jessica needs money. How's that sound now? Jessica's response was
(16:03):
the most classic out of all of them. So she
responded with a photo of her relaxing with a glass
of white wine and wrote, see how I drink my wine.
Very aggressive, but not over anyone's face when I can't
win an argument with a laughing face, and she continued,
FYI I don't normally drink my wine like this, but
apparently I'm broke, so I wanted to savor it. I
(16:24):
would love to see Cyrel explaining this whole petty back
and forth with Eden. It kind of reminds you of
like when we get into an argument and our partners
get involved, and it just sounds so ridiculous. Judging from
him on the Amazing Race, I think he'd just be
backing her. Whilst I do really love the drama, I
just think that this all feels really gross and almost
regressive to see these women slinging shit at each other,
(16:45):
because it's not like there's a healthy debate going on.
It's literally them thinking what can I say that will
cause the most upset and be the biggest blow to
that person and their reputation going forward. We have to
remember all of these women were on reality TV for
a reason. I really just think it could be an
attempt for all of them to stay relevant. I know
they're all accusing one another of doing that, but they
(17:07):
know what creates headlines, They know how reality TV works,
and they know that producers are scouting for drama and
whilst they all do look bad by association, it could
help themselves land a role because I mean, we could
see a Maths reunion where we get Martha, Jessica and
also Cyrel together to recreate some of this drama. I
(17:28):
would definitely tune into that. Well, I don't know if
it would be a Maths reunion, but can you imagine
sticking them all in the Big Brother House because just
being the ouse at Channel ten have won back the
rights to Big Brother and they're hinting that they're going
to bring it back to its heyday. I would watch
that so Rabbit, Jess and Sky in a house. But
if they're bringing it back to its heyday, we're probably
just going to get every day Australians. No, but it's
(17:49):
the format they're bringing back. Well, I saw Sky comment
under it please send me back in the house. One
thing I do know is that the Amazing Race would
be loving the attention around this and the extra publicity
they're getting from the show, because I will be tuning
in on Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
For this.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Good Petty Big I am put on my story saying
the brand's name.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
An Australian TikToker has taken aim at two popular influencers,
labeling them as bullies. During a Storytime Get Ready with
Me video, Ella Kemp accused the influencers of being rude
to her at a VIP event and for bitching about
her on their podcast. No, she hasn't fled out named them,
but she may as well have because she has dropped
(18:33):
so many clues that make the women easily identifiable. So
the influencers at the center of the accusations appear to
be Lucy Jackson and Nikki Wescott. It's a big week
for Lucy Jackson, isn't it. Yeah, it really is, because
we spoke on Tuesday about how she's just gone through
a terrible breakup. But I want to get into the
accusations because they're pretty sensational. So on Tuesday, Ella told
(18:56):
her TikTok followers that she had been invited to a
festival back in twenty twenty when she was just nineteen.
Don't even love it how this drama from twenty twenty,
so almost five years ago, as being brought up now. Yes,
it just screams TikTok petitess, But I kind of love it,
so she said she was incredibly new to the social
media scene being a micro influencer, and was excited to
(19:18):
attend the VIP event. Now for context, Ella now has
ninety thousand followers on TikTok and over thirty thousand on Instagram,
so she's not incredibly well known, but she's definitely an
up and comer. So she's still a micro influencer so
pretty much, but her following has grown since twenty twenty.
Now Ella said she was a huge fan of the
(19:38):
influencers in question and would regularly buy from their clothing brand.
She also said she loved listening to their podcast, so
it was really excited to see that they were at
this festival. This was really the first big clue that
she was talking about Lucy and Nikki, because they of
course have the Happy Hour podcast and they also have
a very popular clothing brand called Jagger and Stone. Now
(19:59):
Ella also went on to drop that the event was
full of Queensland influences and again Lucy and Nikki both
live on the Gold Coast. Now, as the night progressed,
Ella said she had one too many drinks and was
attempting to socialize with the other influencers who were in attendance.
She said at the end of the night, she was
excited to see the two influencers in question and approach them.
(20:20):
Let's have a listen to what Ella said went down.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Towards the end of the night. These two particular influencers
were there. I was just super excited to meet them,
slash like party with them andreschmember. There was this particular
guy in their group that I thought was really cute.
So I was kind of just like dancing on my
own and like just minding my own business. Next thing
(20:46):
I know, I turn around and I get approached by
one of these influences, one of the two, and she
comes up to me and he says, they do you
even know anyone here? And me, being a nineteen year
(21:08):
old fresh on the block kind of never really been
to an event like that in my life before, especially
being like a fan of their stuff, I was like, like,
I shit myself. I think from memory. I responded being like, yeah,
(21:28):
like I'm here with my friends Da da da, and
she kind of just like scoffed at me and walked away.
I was literally traumatized from this, Like I I was
so upset.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
I'll never forget I went over to my friend and I.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Was like pretty much in tears, Like I was like,
oh my god, Like this individual just came up to
me and basically said, like, do I even know anyone here?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
As if, like should I even be I kid you not.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The rest of the event, this girl sat up on
the top level of the.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Like bar slash like.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Grandstand setup and like looked down on me and literally.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Dead stand the shit out of me. And I was
so confused.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They say you should never meet your idols. I wonder
if she was hanging around like a bit of a
bad smell, Like you know when you're super excited to
meet someone and you don't play it cool. Well, I mean,
it sounds like quite a mortifying interaction. Like if I
was a nineteen year old and I met my idols
and one of them came up and said that to me,
I'd be pretty crushed.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Following the incident, Ella tried to put it down to
a drunken miscommunication, but her worst fears were realized when
a friend messaged her telling her to check out the
girl's podcast because they did one of those videos where
they answered assumptions about themselves and someone wrote in with
the assumption that they were rude to their fans, and
Ella said she was shocked to discover that the influencers
(23:04):
had referenced her in the episode. Here's what she said.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
They start talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Me, and they basically say that the only time that
they can think about that they might have been rude
to a fan was on the weekend when one of the.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Girls came up to me and said that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Like, do I even know anyone here? Kind of like
fuck off, not to mention. They also said that I
made them uncomfortable and that I made their immediate like
circle of friends feel uncomfortable and uneasy. Mind you, I
(23:50):
am nineteen years old. These girls at the time were
like twenty nine thirty years old, and they were trying
to make out like I was making them go uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
I was absolutely shattered.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Isn't that your worst fear? Like, can you imagine meeting
someone that you really idolize, and then later on you
hear on a podcast or in some sort of TV
interview that they had such a mortifying experience with you,
and you'd like royally humiliated yourself. Yeah, especially because Ella
said she'd been drinking, so maybe she'd been able to
convince herself, oh no, it wasn't that awkward, and then
(24:30):
it's literally just been confirmed. Well, I feel sorry for
her because it seemed like she was coming from a
place of just being in awe of the women. It
didn't seem like she was trying to be overtly negative
or rude to the morning. She was so upset by
this podcast recording that she ended up selling all of
her Jagger and Stone stuff. But she said when she
moved to Sydney later that year, she discovered that she
(24:52):
still had one of the brand's bikinis. However, she noticed
it was broken, so she claims she'd only warn the
bikinis once and I quote being a petty bitch. She
shared a photo of the broken bathers on her Instagram
story and tagged the brand saying they were shit. We
are in the weeds a lot of this episode. It's
a lot of petty dramas. So this then prompted the
(25:14):
same influencer, Lucy Jackson, to write back to her Instagram
story saying, Babe, that bikini is two years old, to
which Ella replied, Babe, I've worn it twice again. The
babes the passive aggressive base now let's have a listen
to what else Ella said, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Sorry, I didn't realize that swim where it was meant
to break after like a few years when you have
a business and you're selling like apperil swimwear or anything
like that, Like especially at the price point that they had,
Like it shouldn't only last a couple of years.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Like I've had so.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Many bikinis last meet a decade and they've never once broken.
So that comment was unnecessary, and I feel like it
was kind of targeted at this person who's like thirty
years old, Like get agree to be fair.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Even if you've worn this bikini twice, if you've had
a kicking around your house, it's moved places with you,
I'm sure it can get damaged. Really, I think bathes
seemed to last for a really long time. I mean,
maybe I don't treat my stuff very well, just throw
it around the house. It also depends if you wash
off all of the chlorine. Anyway, we're getting into the
weeds here, but since this video has gone viral on
(26:26):
TikTok so, at the time of recording, it's had two
hundred thousand views. The comments section has been littered with
people tagging Lucy and Nicki as well as followers sharing
information about the Happy Hour podcast in question. So I
have tracked down the episode from July twenty twenty. So
let's hear exactly what Lucy and Nicky said about this incident.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
You get annoyed when being approached by punters when you're
out and about with your friends. Ah, okay this, I
will say this absolutely not getting approached and say hello,
I fucking live for it.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I love it, have a yarn. That's absolutely fine.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
What I do not like is then and this has
only happened maybe like three times, so this isn't like
something that happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I think you know if you're doing it or not.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yeah, I don't like it when people come over and
then stay and like join us, kind of as if
then you're welcome, because maybe they do come over initially
and we are really friendly. Then to then stick around
while we're there with our own friends, maybe out for
dinner or at a festival, dancing with our group of
our friends or whatever, and then to keep hanging around
and sometimes even filming us or like filming yourself, to
(27:39):
try and act like you're kind of like hanging out
with us. I guess it's like come and say hello,
give me a hug, have a little boogie, get a photo.
That's sweet as they come interrupt my night, So then
I can't really be talking and spending time with my friends.
When I'm like just genuinely on a night out with
my friends, that's when I get annoyed. And I think,
you know, if you're doing that, like and if you
(28:00):
if someone sort of says, oh, yeah, you know, that'll
do run along, like do you have any other friends here?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
That's not being offensive. That's just us trying to get
on with that night.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Well that's what happened that time, and that girl I
got really a friend ed and was like, you know,
blah blah blah. And then a girl blew up at
me and was like you are so nasty blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And I'm like, I'm not nasty at all.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
But if you come over and proceed to hang out
with my group of friends for like longer than fifteen
minutes and just kind of try and blend in and
no one knows who you are, I don't care if
I have two followers on Instagram, You're being annoying. Regardless
of who I am, So piss off pretty much, Stram,
don't over say you're welcome, that's all.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I kind of get this because in the influencer world,
you're always hearing of micro influencers or people who want
a following trying to leach on to bigger creators. And
it would piss me off if I was in lucy
and nicky situation and I'm out with my friends and
you've given this person the time and then they're trying
to sneak around and join your friendship group and potentially
(29:02):
take videos of you in a compromising position when you're drunk.
Think in this instance, this Ella, maybe she had the
best intentions and she just read the situation wrong. Because
can you imagine if you met, you know, some podcasts
or influences that you really respected and you thought you
had hit it off, only to be told quite aggressively
like scram fuck off. Basically, yeah, I can kind of
(29:24):
see both sides to it, because, especially when alcohol is
involved and lines are blurred, it seemed to be that
Ella was picking up the wrong cues and maybe should
have just realized to leave. Well, I would have been
offended hearing that if I was Ella though, Oh, I
would be so intimidated by Lucy and Nikki. I think
they sound fucking funny, but I feel like I don't
(29:45):
like that sort of tone directed at me. Well, the
only thing is I think that someone like Lucy, she
takes no shit by the sounds of it, and it's oh,
she sounds classic. Yeah, And it's quite apparent that she
felt like her personally personal boundaries were being and that's
why I think she just said, look, babe, do you
know anyone else here? Can you please leave? One of
our friends has said that she wishes she would spot
(30:06):
Lucy and Nikki out somewhere so that she could try
and party with them, and that seems to be something
that a lot of their listeners think. So they must
get her all the time, and it must get really frustrated.
I think that's why this girl was so disappointed, because
they do put across this image of hey, come party
with us or have a boogie, we'll have a drink
and everything like that. But a breach is probably a
limit where it's like, hey, this is a socially acceptable
(30:29):
point to leave. I know Abby Chatfield has spoken about
this in the past, and she said that She's more
than happy to pose for photos and have a little chat,
but you know, when she's out on a night out,
she actually wants to spend it with her friends and
not be interrupted the whole. These are good tips. If
we ever spot Taylor Swift out and we meet her
fifteen minutes, that's the cat and then I have to
fuck off. Yeah. I think the timing though of this
(30:50):
TikTok is really interesting because, as we spoke about earlier
in the episode, Lucy has recently broken up with her
boyfriend after she discovered he was cheating on her, and
she's been very open on TikTok sharing about her experience,
and this has garnered a lot of public sympathy. So
it's interesting that this video suddenly pops up just after this.
(31:12):
Oh Ella is obviously writing on the coattails of this
drama and thinking, well, everyone's talking about the girls at
the moment, let's drop this incident. It's going to get
me a lot of views and engagement.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Interestingly, Ella actually said in this TikTok that she was
inspired to make the video after randomly seeing another pop
up where Lucy labeled another podcaster a fucking bully. So
This was the final clue when I was like, this
is clearly Lucy because earlier this year, Lucy's sparch controversy
when she released a video perceivably calling out podcaster Megan
(31:43):
Pisetto from So Dramatic. So the two podcasters have had
a lot of beef over the last couple of years.
Lucy and Nicki accused of making racist remarks towards Megan,
and interestingly, Megan has a connection to Ella. Side note,
I really hate when people throw around the to bully
at everyone to describe a journalist working or investigating stories. Yeah,
(32:05):
it's not good. On the topic of Megan though, So
Ella actually appeared on one of So Dramatic's podcasts back
in twenty twenty two, and so she spoke about how
she was in a relationship with former mass contestants Jackson
Loney and Jack Miller. And this was quite a controversial
episode because Ella was the first person Jackson was connected
(32:25):
to after his high profile split from fellow Maths contestant Olivia.
And in this episode, Megan described Ella as the chaos
queen and I think that's a good description after seeing
this TikTok, because she's obviously not afraid just stir the pot,
which I love. It was a really good episode. Well
it's an interesting connection, isn't it, Because Meghan is obviously
not a huge fan of Lucy and Nicky either, And
(32:49):
I saw a lot of people actually tagging Megan and
so dramatic in this TikTok as well. And Ella responded, look,
Megan is well aware of this incident. Is this going
to be another three way few? There's been so many
feuds popping up on TikTok at the moment, and I
am here for the entertainment. Well, I get it as well,
because let's be real, this is the influencer world, and
(33:09):
if you create drama, it equals views. The one thing
I felt really uncomfortable about during Ella's call out, though,
was the constant age bashing of Lucy and Nicki. And
maybe this is because I'm in my thirties, but the
continual reference to their age, I thought it was a
bit unnecessary and it kind of came across as age shaming.
So you sent me the clip and I think one
of the had the text and that said, thirty year
(33:32):
old podcasters have bullied me, and I thought, holy fuck,
is this about us? And then I was like, what
the fuck that I have to mention our age? I mean,
this is how Lucy and NICKI felt as well, because
the age is irrelevant. It's kind of like saying, oh, well,
they should know better because they're in their thirties. Yeah. Well,
I just can't wait to see if Lucy responds. I
don't know if she will feel like she's got to
(33:53):
be a bit more shit going on in her life.
I think if she's to respond, she'll probably respond on
her podcast in a similar fashion to the first time
they spoke about the incident. But again, I don't think
she wants to give Ella the attention.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Or clout everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
We usually would not be making a video like this,
but there is information circuling about us that is completely untrue.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
A us TikTok couple is facing backlash for appearing to
leave their kids unattended in their cabin whilst they dined
out at a restaurant during their family cruise. Another couple
in question, Matt and Abby Howard, have been forced to
issue a statement refuting the claims. Sophy. Before we get
into it, can you bring us up to speed on
who Matt and Abby are? Yeah, well, they're two TikTokers
(34:34):
who are very much selling the American dream. So they're Christian,
their high school sweethearts, and they've got two kids called
Griffin and August. That is so American. They are from
Phoenix in Arizona, and they share very curated family moments
as well as insights into their very traditional marriage, and
they also recreate a lot of viral trends on TikTok.
(34:55):
Now they have over seven million subscribers on YouTube and
it's basically a family channel where they blog about their lives.
They also have five point three million followers on TikTok
and a podcast called The Unplanned Podcast where they discussed
their relationship as well as their family dynamic. And they're
no strangers to controversy, so they have been slammed previously
(35:16):
for their views on traditional gender roles. In the house,
so Abby handles most of the cleaning and raising of
the children, and in a now deleted video from twenty
twenty two, Matt surprised Abby by taking care of the
house and their newborn child. So this video copped a
lot of criticism because people said it was perpetuating the
trope of the hopeless dad who can't raise his own
(35:37):
kids or has the capacity to clean. It reminds me
a little bit of all that controversy with Mattie Jay
last year. Now, another controversy involved matt making his own
homemade baby formula, and at the time he added a
disclaimer saying that you shouldn't actually give it to your baby,
but critics argued that it was dangerous and could encourage
people to try it out at home. And this year
(35:58):
he copped criticism for boycotting Father's Day, so on his
podcast he spoke about how instead of celebrating on the
official day in America, he planned to celebrate it on
a separate weekend because Father's Day fell very close to
his birthday and the year prior he'd done a joint
Father's Day and Birthday celebration, but he didn't want to
do it again this year. I think that controversy is
(36:20):
a bit weak. Oh yeah, because people were saying, oh,
he's entitled, and it's a red flag because he's demanding
two separate days that celebrate him. I think they were
pretty unfair with that one. Yeah. Now, this is where
the latest controversy has erupted, because in September, the family
embarked on a seven night cruise with Abby's extended family,
(36:41):
and they shed highlights of their holiday on their Instagram accounts. Now.
Abby revealed at the beginning of the trip that they
were eating out as a family, but it wasn't really working,
she wrote on her Instagram story, So we ended up
taking them for five nights and it became apparent that
they weren't enjoying it, and therefore we weren't either. This
is obviously the children. Yeah, so then we switched our
(37:03):
dinner time to after their bedtime. Now in this Instagram story,
she shared this caption over the top of a baby
monitor and continued to write, we facetimed the monitors while
we ate and that worked out much better for everyone.
She then added that the baby monitors don't work on
board unless you're only five feet away, explaining they needed
(37:24):
to FaceTime the monitors to get it on their screens,
and this elicited a huge response from their followers. Many
took to Facebook gossip forums and also read a post
to share their concerns. One follower said, so clearly they
have paid no attention to the Madeline McCann case, while
another said this is incredibly upsetting, especially as they had
family with them that probably could have watched them while
(37:46):
they were out and had something to eat together. Facetiming
the baby monitor while several floors away, when anything can
go wrong in that time span, is just incredibly distressing
as a parent. Now, others went as far as calling
it negligent and raised issues around what if a medical
emergency happened, or an abduction or a child went wandering
and fell overboard. Now, following the backlash, Abby swiftly removed
(38:10):
the story and provided no explanation. But the couple broke
their silence about this incident on Tuesday by releasing a
TikTok video, which at the time of recording has had
nine million views. So Matt started by saying, they wouldn't
usually create a video like this, but there is information
circulating about them that isn't true, so they wanted to
(38:31):
set the record straight. They said they're very protective of
their kids and love them more than anything in the
entire world. They also thank their followers for being concerned
about the safety and wellbeing of their kids. Watching this,
it's clear that they have a PR team that they're
working with. Because they were trying to sound very understanding
to the critics. They also began by explaining that they
(38:51):
went on the cruise with Abby's extended family and that
the kids were never left alone at any time during
the cruise. Here's what said.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
And people started to speculate and believe that we had
left her children alone in their staterooms, and that is
completely untrue because we had someone with her children at
all times on this boat period.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I do want to clarify that we have not, would not,
will not ever leave our children unattended.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
We would never ever want to put them in harm's
way in any way.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Abby then explained that she could see how her story
could have been misleading, which is why she deleted it
straight away. Now, Abby and Matt clearly knew that many
followers would question, well, if you had people babysitting for you,
why then did you have to FaceTime the baby monitor,
which I think is a fair enough question. Now, Abby
went on to explain that her kids always sleep in
(39:47):
a sort of blackout tent, and in the middle of
the tent there's a spot for a sound machine and
also a spot for a baby monitor. So she said
that even when they sleep in the same room with
their kids, at home, they all always have their monitors
on so that they can watch what's happening in the tent.
So she said that even though they were tagged teaming
with a family member at dinner, they wanted to have
(40:09):
that extra caution of watching them on the baby monitor
as well. This seems odd to me. Why are you
having your kid in this blacked out tent that you
can't see them? Well, the whole thing sounds like a
bit of bullshit. They probably sat around and were like, fuck,
we look so irresponsible. I mean, as one of their
followers pointed out, all I could think of was the
Madeline mccannon situation. Have we not learned anything from that?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Well?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It was quite interesting because their comment section on the
TikTok video was full of people praising them, so I
don't know if it's been highly edited. So one follower wrote,
great explanation. I also think it's lovely that you thank
people for caring and being concerned rather than getting on
the defense. Perfectly articulated, and that comment received five thousand likes. Wow.
(40:53):
But it doesn't make sense why they'd share that Instagram
story because it's kind of like they were having a
laugh about it. It really does seem like they're changing
their story now because they weren't expecting such a big
reaction from their followers. The bit where they lost me
is when they didn't name which family member was looking
after the kids. Because initially in the TikTok Matt said, oh, yeah,
(41:15):
we were with Abby's extended family and we had everyone
there from the great grandmother to the kids. They didn't
explain all the other people. And then when they said, oh,
it was someone looking after a child, they didn't say
which family member. And I think that's because they were
probably concerned that during their trip they may have put
up a photo of a dinner which showed all of
the family there, or maybe they think that they're so
(41:37):
famous that someone would have taken a photo of them
on that night out for dinner and they might get
caught out in some way. Great pr by their team. Well,
a lot of people said they also didn't buy the
body language in the video. Someone said that the eye
contact screamed guilty. I love how everyone becomes a body
language expert as soon as he's influencer. Apologies come out. Yeah,
(41:58):
let's get into our hires lows of the week, and
I'm going to kick things off with a very embarrassing
low that I almost didn't want to bring to the podcast. Now,
I'm all, is well, you persuaded me to bring this
one up because we Well, I got my full wedding
video back and I'd forgotten some of the funny things
that you mentioned in your speech, and one of those
(42:19):
things a lot of OG listeners will remember, and that
is that a couple of Christmas Eves ago, I went
to AUDI wearing a very thick green fake tan, like
the tan had gone off. I literally looked like the Grinch. Anyway,
I quickly put on some shorts and unbeknown to me,
the shorts were inside out. Well, you thought everyone was
(42:40):
staring at you at AUDI because of your atrocious fake tan,
but it was actually because of your shorts, and the
shorts had inbuilt undies, so you literally looked like some
kind of strange superhero.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
So that was mortifying, and I thought that I'd moved
past those sort of incidences, but apparently not, because five
still still doing it. So I went shopping with my husband.
We went to rush into woolworst pick up a couple
of things. We got back I was unpacking the groceries,
and I lifted my arms up in the cupboard and
(43:12):
my husband said, what is that poking out of your pants?
And somehow there was a sheet of toilet paper that
had been hanging out of my pants. I didn't know
if he'd been to the shops. Yeah, so Brandon said.
He initially thought that it was like a folded up
tissue that maybe I'd put there because in caf I
had a runny nose. But no, it was toilet paper.
(43:33):
And then I went to bed that night and my
partner lifted up the covers as he does always to
check for spiders because we live in the hills, and
he noticed that there was a piece of toilet paper
attached to my foot. So I do not know what
is going on with me at the moment. Anyway, my
high of the week, it will be a quick one.
It has been spending time with my nephew Jack. He
is so cute. He is officially three months old, and
(43:55):
we went on a very sweet walk together. He's in
that stage where he's smiling at you and laughing and
he is just so cute. He's adorable. So my low
of the week has been I have finished all of
my favorite Netflix shows. I'm out, I have nothing to watch.
So I was hoping that some outspoken listeners could slide
into our dms. Maybe we could start a thread in
(44:17):
our Facebook community. I want a list of great shows
that you and your partner will enjoy, because it's really
a struggle to find shows that I like and that
Dale likes. And my high of the week is I
finally got around what is it now, like September nine
or seven months after my wedding, I've finally gotten around
two printing my wedding photos, and I've printed two quite
(44:40):
large pieces. I don't know how the listeners feel about
having such large wedding photos in your house, but I've
seen quite a few people do it where they select
one really cool photo, which is what I've done. Well, well,
you've selected two two, yeah, but just one of Dale
and I am oh so yeah. The other one is
of the bridal party. Look, i'm popular opinion here, and
I apologize if you have one of these in your house.
But when I think verges on taki is when people
(45:01):
get them printed on canvases. I don't know why, I
think I'm just not a fan of the canvas. I
think that's very early two thousands. So I've got them
printed from this local printer in Adelaide. I've had photos
in my house printed from him before. He's really really good.
It's on this beautiful paper. But I'm trying to find
the right frames. I got some from Freedom previously, but
(45:22):
they don't have the exact ones anymore. Do you know
when I think it is too far with wedding photos
is when they're the huge focus of your house and
your wedding was like twenty years ago. Because you know,
when you've just been married, it's like, yeah, it's nice
to put up your photos, but you kind of think, well,
what's next, Like have you achieved anything else in your life?
Is there anything else to come? So long I'm saying, like,
(45:42):
you know, most of the time it's taken up by
you know, well not that the holidays in achievement, but
by other things you're doing in life. How do you
have kids or weather days. I think it's nice. I
think what happens, though, is when people get older, the
photos become outdated and yeah, you've got the canvas, that's
what ima. You can look a bit tacky, But maybe
I'll have to share a photo on my Instagram story.
When I get them up, I think they're going to
(46:04):
look really cool. Sophie's a bit gutted because I have
this photo of all of the bridal party walking along
this gravel path, and the only one you chose is
literally half my face cut out of it. Yeah, it was, unfortunately,
because Sophie kept pulling all these weird faces when she
was having this very animated conversation, so the only one
we could feature was one where she was trying to
be true. There was one of me normal, yeah, but
(46:25):
the rest of the four other people were cut out. Well, anyway,
you're in it, everybody. I don't mind being on it.
I think it's quite funny. Anyway. I think that it's
all we have time for today. We hope you enjoyed
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(46:47):
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(47:08):
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We pay respect to Elder's past and present, and if
you haven't already, we had a special episode drop on
(47:28):
Monday where Kate returned to give us an update on
the fourth trimester, and tomorrow's subscriber episode is one I
think that a lot of you will want to tune into.
We answer some questions that we previously haven't been allowed
to answer before because Kate has directed us not to.
So we open up about some feuds, some miscommunications in
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the podcast industry, and yes, a lot of juicy stuff,
So you've got to check that one out.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torber and coming up on today's show. A micro
influencer has called out podcasters Lucy Jackson and Nicky Westcott
over a festival run in a TikTok couple is facing
backlash for appearing to leave their kids unattended while they
(00:25):
dined out on a cruise. And our highs and Lows
of the Week, But first old wounds have been reopened
as a messy three way feud has broken out between
the country's most controversial reality stars. Former Math's contestant Cyrel
Paul is at war with Sky Wheatley and Jessica Power
after they shared their thoughts on a viral clip of
(00:47):
Cyrel's recent appearance on The Amazing Race. Now, So, if
things have kicked off over the last few days, but
I want you to rewind a bit to Cyrel and
her partner Eden Dally's appearance on The Amazing Race. Amazing
Race producers have struck gold with this couple. They clearly
knew what they were doing by casting Cyrel and Eden
because both of them have appeared on reality shows before,
(01:09):
and they have both brought fireworks to those shows, so
Cyrel is no stranger to controversy. She appeared on Maths
in twenty nineteen and she quickly earned herself the title
of cyclone Cyrel. So she made headlines when she threw
a glass of white wine in fellow Maths contestant Jessica
Power's face. She also found herself at the receiving end though,
(01:31):
and I had forgotten this because Martha Calor for Titas
she was on the same series. This was the most
iconic series of Maths, and she poured a glass of
red wine over Cyrel's head at one of the dinner parties.
How did you forget that? I think that was the
most iconic scene that has ever been in Maths. I
just didn't realize that they were all on the same series.
I mean this was five years ago. Well, her baby
(01:52):
daddy Eden. He also has a fiery temper because when
he appeared on Love Island in twenty eighteen, he was
involved in a scuff with Grant Crap. So Grant Crap
was couped up with Taylor Demir. I can't even imagine
the two of them talking now. They won the show
because he turned out to have a secret girlfriend. Yeah,
and at the time it was touted as a punch
(02:13):
up between Eden and Grant, but I went back and
had a look at the clip and no punches were
actually thrown, but they both grabbed one another by their
shirts and there was a lot of swearing and yelling
and they had to be pulled apart by the other contestants.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I remember that the UK was also screening Love Island
Australia at the time, and everyone was so excited over
there because they'd never seen such a big fight in
the UK version. Yeah. I have never seen the UK
guys fight with one another. If anything, it's a bit
of a boy's club and they always back each other. Yeah,
there's like one fight and then they're like sorry mate, Yeah,
no worries, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
The Amazing Race kicked off last week on Channel ten
and it is airing on Sunday and Monday nights. And
it's safe to say that free to air TV has
taken a huge battering, and it's clear that the networks
are trying to draw in younger viewers, particularly by selecting
contestants that strike a chord with gen Zetters because we've
seen gold Co's influencer Lily Brown and Jack Kenny on
(03:08):
the show, which I think is a fantastic move. Yeah.
I haven't tuned in yet, but seeing Lily Brown and
there really sparked my interest and I think I may
actually watch it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
We can see that The Amazing Race is working hard
to get these younger viewers in because they are sharing
a lot of snippets from the show in the form
of reels in order to entice people to come and watch,
because I mean, I always forget when the free to
air shows are on. And The Amazing Race Australia's Instagram
account currently has thirty three thousand followers and they created
their first viral moment by sharing an altercation between Cyrel
(03:39):
Eden and Ian Thorpe and his longtime friend Christian Miranda.
I never thought that I would speak about Ian Thorpe
in the same topic as Cyrel and Eden, but here
we are. Let's throw to the clip we.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Have to dig before Christian about us foulnia, about what
about us following you to dig?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You were? What do we say that's something in the car?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Was we made the wrong term with the men about.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I'm talking about you being how smart, That's what I'm
talking about. Yeah, and you ain't that. You ain't swimming
right now either, to an import friend known as an
imports friend.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Just so you know, it's not you, it's all him.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Thanks Mary.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, you're welcome, You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You've got anything else smart to say?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Christian to keep.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Maybe when you don't know nothing, you keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That's what you should do. Your side, Kim, we could
hear them carrying on.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I'm not even buying into it.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Like with such a threat.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh my god. They're following up a bit rich of
Cyral who was on maths what five years ago, to
be questioning the authenticity of one of the other contestants. Yeah,
that's the thing. It's quite an unusual move from a
reality TV contestant to demean someone else over their celebrity status,
because generally in TV land, it's reality contestants or influencers
(05:09):
who are having to prove themselves because generally they're viewed
as having no talent and that it's an easy ride
because they've got these followers that have just popped up
out of nowhere. And in this instance, Christian isn't the
only amazing race contestant without a profile, because Peter Hellier
is on there with his wife. There's Billy Brownless who
was on there competing with his son. So I just
(05:31):
didn't understand why she was throwing around her weight like
this and trying to big note herself. I mean, I
love it. It's completely petty. It's great for reality TV.
Don't like it though, because I just think it was
a really disrespectful way to speak to Thorpi and also
his friend Christian. Did you expect much more from her?
She didn't, but she's well known for throwing a glass
(05:51):
of wine in someone's face. I didn't, but I think
that a lot of listeners like me will have a
reaction to this because this is a goal medalist, it's
an Olympian, he has done a lot for our country.
And this friend though well, but she was also directing
it at Thorpy as well, saying, oh, you're not swimming.
I just think it was really disrespectful. It was one
(06:11):
hundred percent disrespectful. But as I said, I would not
expect more from these two. They've been brought in to
cause drama like this, and they're going to continue throughout
the whole series. Well, it did elicit a strong response
in the comments section, and a majority of the viewers
were appalled by their actions. One wrote embarrassing those two
are back on TV, whilst another said she should take
(06:33):
her own advice. She is the one who needs to
keep her mouth shut because her mouth runs more in
this race than her feet so far, whilst others questioned
who even is she and why is she taking a
crack at Ian Thorpe, who is actually a celebrity and
an Australian legend. Well, I'm getting the vibe that maybe
Sky Wheatley is a Thorpy fan too, because this is
(06:54):
where she entered the chat. So she shared the clip
of Cyrel's argument on the Amazing race on Instagram story
and wrote, Cyrel is so scary guys, I'm having PTSD
watching this from our little interaction we had with a
crying face emoji. She then appeared on her Stories from
her Turkey hotel room where she was recovering from her
(07:15):
Fox I lift and said this.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
If you guys don't know what I'm talking about, I'm
going to put the link to the video from the
interaction that we had, But I swear it was like
set up because the girl next to Cyril was already
filming anyway, I'm like, not problematic at Actually, yeah, you
could say I'm problematic who has yellow? But I was
(07:40):
actually just asking her questions and I didn't realize she
would react like that.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
But then after it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Happened, I was like, am I in an episode of
mass Like? It was crazy? But she ranked great TV.
I'm actually really excited to watch the amazing race this year.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
This that's the interaction that Sky is referring to, is
a fight that broke out between the pair at an
influencer event in twenty twenty two. And this event in
question was ironically for well known mums to promote baby formulas,
So it just seemed like a really innocent and wholesome event.
But that is not how the event went down. So
to set the scene, Cyrel was sitting in the middle
(08:21):
of the table and there were three people between her
and Sky. So Sky was at the head of the
table and she was chatting to all of the other
girls and she was somewhat broadcasting the conversation across the table. Yeah,
and things became heated pretty quickly when Sky asked Cyrel
if her relationship with Eden was genuine. And this is
because in twenty nineteen, Eden and Cyrel debuted their relationship
(08:44):
through pap photos and at the time many people speculated
that this was set up because it seemed like they
were trying to extend their fifteen minutes of fame. Well,
it was a very random pairing because it's not like
they were both on maths or something, and I think
everyone was confused about where they met each other. Yeah,
and what made matters worse is that following these photos
being published, Jessica Power came out and claimed that Eden
(09:08):
had asked her to be with him for publicity, and
she then claimed that Eden had been bagging out Cyrel
to her and then suddenly, weeks later they were announcing
that they were in love to the rest of the world. Well,
even more shockingly, they announced five months into their relationship
that they were expecting a child together. So it was
a very hot and cold relationship. They ended up breaking
(09:29):
up during the pregnancy, and then they got back together
just before the child was born. Now, getting back to
this dinner party, there was a guest sitting next to
Cyrel who began recording the exchange. This made Sky think
that it was possibly set up. So Sky firstly asked
Cyrel how she met Eden. She then said, I saw
an article that said you guys had a fake relationship
(09:49):
for clout or something. Now Cyrel's response is muffled, but
it sounds like she told Sky it was inappropriate to
talk about what was in the newspaper.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, you know, you gotta limits otherwise someone I have
to teach it.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Were getting really upset about it.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Who said that, lid real. No, there's been appropriate questions.
I don't need to ask that. Maybe it's a dish.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Just know that it's I will.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Put you in your plate, and I will put you
in your place.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I will put you in your plate, eat your food,
or hug.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Your face in it.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So Sky clearly got an insight into what it's like
being on maths. Well, luckily no wine was thrown in
this incident, but this was almost worse. And I think
it's quite clear from the video that Sky was a
bit intoxicated, because there were points where she was laughing. However,
when Cyrel started making threats, Sky looked genuinely scared. Yeah,
I remember talking about this on the podcast a few
(10:59):
years ago, and really the consensus from listeners was that
they felt sorry for Sky because Sky gets herself into trouble.
But I don't actually think she has a malicious bone
in her body. Now that we are all up to
speed on the drama, Cyrel was not happy with Sky's
comment about the amazing race, and she clapped back on
(11:19):
her Instagram story, calling Sky a bully and accusing her
of being racist. She wrote, I'm so scary, guys, this
is proving exactly what I mean. See, you need to understand.
When I call myself crazy or someone I love, I
know it's a joke. But when it's coming from someone
I know who doesn't like me, I know it's a
backhanded compliment. That is why, as a woman of color,
(11:41):
this portrays me as aggressive and violent and it's not okay.
Of course, a light skinned woman is allowed to call
another woman of color crazy, but if a dark skinned
woman like me called you a crazy, shit stirring bitch
who only commented to express a passive, aggressive comment, I
would again be considered as the aggressive, crazy black bitch.
She then shared a promotional graphic that Channel ten had
(12:03):
sent out when Sky one, I'm a celeb and it
explained how she was donating her winnings to the charity
Bully Zero. So Cyrel wrote across this amazing she picked
Bully zero as her charity? Am I crazy? Or is
that hypocritical? Well, it seems like old feuds are being ignited, left,
right and center in this story, because if you'll believe it,
Jessica Power also entered the chat, and as we mentioned
(12:25):
at the start of the segment, they're not exactly best friends.
In an interesting move, jess came in to defend Sky
and I was quite surprised to see this because Jess
makes a living of OnlyFans and last year Sky made
really offensive remarks about OnlyFans creators which seemed to ruffle
some feathers. I mean, I think the only reason she
came to her defense is more out of her hatred
(12:46):
for Cyrel. Yeah, because this all went down on so
Dramatics Instagram posts, so the publication was reporting on the
story and on their Instagram account, they included a screenshot
of Cyrel's comments directed at Sky. Now, Jessica commented underneath
the post, saying, oh mate, give it a rest already.
I'm not surprised Sky has PTSD from her, She's as
(13:08):
reactive as they come. She will find an argument out
of thin air. That woman, Well, this story feels a
little dirty and it's very much in the weeds because
Cyrel then took a screenshot of Jessica's comment and called
her out on her story, saying, Oh, Jessica, the only
person who should give it a rest is you and
your lying ass. Go start another Go funny, Paige, bitch
(13:30):
for someone who likes to run their mouth when the
only thing you seem to have run out of is money.
She continues, saying, couldn't even pay for your dad's funeral.
Wears your money from OnlyFans. I was going to suggest
to sell one of your prior bags, but if there
are anything like that, you're probably rocking a pra dough steal,
a fake ass, irrelevant bitch trying to comment so you
can make headlines again. I hope me giving you attention
(13:52):
can rebuild your career. God knows you need the money. Wow,
what a low blow mentioning the dad's funeral. Oh, because
that is in reference to Jessica's brother Reese posting a
go Fundme page, and that was asking for assistance to
pay for their dad's funeral fees. I just think Sorell's
proving Jessica's comment in the first place a bit how
(14:13):
reactive she is. Oh exactly. I mean going back to
this funeral, because we didn't actually cover this story at
the time. It just seemed a bit off to be
talking about it because a lot of followers came out
and questioned why jess and her brother, who earned large
amounts of money off OnlyFans, would have to ask for
assistance with a funeral built. Because jess reportedly makes one
hundred and ten thousand dollars per month on the platform,
(14:35):
so you think that she would be able to cover
those costs now, Jessica told The Daily Mail that the
whole family were pitching in along with the fundraising campaign
and that their dad passed away so suddenly that the
funeral did come as an unexpected cost, and she went
on to explain that her sister's fiance created the GoFundMe
before she even knew about it, so it seems like
(14:58):
the siblings were trying to raise money for what they
owed for the funeral. Yeah, it just all got very
messy now, As expected, Jessica clapped back at Cyrel's stories,
She wrote, not that it should even be something I
should need to address, but it was actually a family
member who started that page, not knowing or asking who
could contribute or how much a funeral could cost. I
(15:20):
would honestly sell one of my handbags to get you
the anger management you need. Who brings up someone's grief
as a way of retaliation? Still the same bitter, horrible
girl that we all know. I don't care to stay relevant,
but you've done one TV show after however many years, mate,
calm down. Ha. It was getting very tipfer tat at
(15:41):
this stage, and Cyrel responded saying, lo, your response is
as stupid as you are. Girl. How can you pay
for my anger management classes when you can't even pay
for your dad's funeral? And if you were going to
sell your bags you would have. Yet you started a
go fundme, Paige, Damn, I'll start you with GoFundMe now,
Jessica needs money. How's that sound now? Jessica's response was
(16:03):
the most classic out of all of them. So she
responded with a photo of her relaxing with a glass
of white wine and wrote, see how I drink my wine.
Very aggressive, but not over anyone's face when I can't
win an argument with a laughing face, and she continued,
FYI I don't normally drink my wine like this, but
apparently I'm broke, so I wanted to savor it. I
(16:24):
would love to see Cyrel explaining this whole petty back
and forth with Eden. It kind of reminds you of
like when we get into an argument and our partners
get involved, and it just sounds so ridiculous. Judging from
him on the Amazing Race, I think he'd just be
backing her. Whilst I do really love the drama, I
just think that this all feels really gross and almost
regressive to see these women slinging shit at each other,
(16:45):
because it's not like there's a healthy debate going on.
It's literally them thinking what can I say that will
cause the most upset and be the biggest blow to
that person and their reputation going forward. We have to
remember all of these women were on reality TV for
a reason. I really just think it could be an
attempt for all of them to stay relevant. I know
they're all accusing one another of doing that, but they
(17:07):
know what creates headlines, They know how reality TV works,
and they know that producers are scouting for drama and
whilst they all do look bad by association, it could
help themselves land a role because I mean, we could
see a Maths reunion where we get Martha, Jessica and
also Cyrel together to recreate some of this drama. I
(17:28):
would definitely tune into that. Well, I don't know if
it would be a Maths reunion, but can you imagine
sticking them all in the Big Brother House because just
being the ouse at Channel ten have won back the
rights to Big Brother and they're hinting that they're going
to bring it back to its heyday. I would watch
that so Rabbit, Jess and Sky in a house. But
if they're bringing it back to its heyday, we're probably
just going to get every day Australians. No, but it's
(17:49):
the format they're bringing back. Well, I saw Sky comment
under it please send me back in the house. One
thing I do know is that the Amazing Race would
be loving the attention around this and the extra publicity
they're getting from the show, because I will be tuning
in on Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
For this.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Good Petty Big I am put on my story saying
the brand's name.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
An Australian TikToker has taken aim at two popular influencers,
labeling them as bullies. During a Storytime Get Ready with
Me video, Ella Kemp accused the influencers of being rude
to her at a VIP event and for bitching about
her on their podcast. No, she hasn't fled out named them,
but she may as well have because she has dropped
(18:33):
so many clues that make the women easily identifiable. So
the influencers at the center of the accusations appear to
be Lucy Jackson and Nikki Wescott. It's a big week
for Lucy Jackson, isn't it. Yeah, it really is, because
we spoke on Tuesday about how she's just gone through
a terrible breakup. But I want to get into the
accusations because they're pretty sensational. So on Tuesday, Ella told
(18:56):
her TikTok followers that she had been invited to a
festival back in twenty twenty when she was just nineteen.
Don't even love it how this drama from twenty twenty,
so almost five years ago, as being brought up now. Yes,
it just screams TikTok petitess, But I kind of love it,
so she said she was incredibly new to the social
media scene being a micro influencer, and was excited to
(19:18):
attend the VIP event. Now for context, Ella now has
ninety thousand followers on TikTok and over thirty thousand on Instagram,
so she's not incredibly well known, but she's definitely an
up and comer. So she's still a micro influencer so
pretty much, but her following has grown since twenty twenty.
Now Ella said she was a huge fan of the
(19:38):
influencers in question and would regularly buy from their clothing brand.
She also said she loved listening to their podcast, so
it was really excited to see that they were at
this festival. This was really the first big clue that
she was talking about Lucy and Nikki, because they of
course have the Happy Hour podcast and they also have
a very popular clothing brand called Jagger and Stone. Now
(19:59):
Ella also went on to drop that the event was
full of Queensland influences and again Lucy and Nikki both
live on the Gold Coast. Now, as the night progressed,
Ella said she had one too many drinks and was
attempting to socialize with the other influencers who were in attendance.
She said at the end of the night, she was
excited to see the two influencers in question and approach them.
(20:20):
Let's have a listen to what Ella said went down.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Towards the end of the night. These two particular influencers
were there. I was just super excited to meet them,
slash like party with them andreschmember. There was this particular
guy in their group that I thought was really cute.
So I was kind of just like dancing on my
own and like just minding my own business. Next thing
(20:46):
I know, I turn around and I get approached by
one of these influences, one of the two, and she
comes up to me and he says, they do you
even know anyone here? And me, being a nineteen year
(21:08):
old fresh on the block kind of never really been
to an event like that in my life before, especially
being like a fan of their stuff, I was like, like,
I shit myself. I think from memory. I responded being like, yeah,
(21:28):
like I'm here with my friends Da da da, and
she kind of just like scoffed at me and walked away.
I was literally traumatized from this, Like I I was
so upset.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
I'll never forget I went over to my friend and I.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Was like pretty much in tears, Like I was like,
oh my god, Like this individual just came up to
me and basically said, like, do I even know anyone here?
Speaker 6 (21:57):
As if, like should I even be I kid you not.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The rest of the event, this girl sat up on
the top level of the.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Like bar slash like.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Grandstand setup and like looked down on me and literally.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Dead stand the shit out of me. And I was
so confused.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They say you should never meet your idols. I wonder
if she was hanging around like a bit of a
bad smell, Like you know when you're super excited to
meet someone and you don't play it cool. Well, I mean,
it sounds like quite a mortifying interaction. Like if I
was a nineteen year old and I met my idols
and one of them came up and said that to me,
I'd be pretty crushed.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Following the incident, Ella tried to put it down to
a drunken miscommunication, but her worst fears were realized when
a friend messaged her telling her to check out the
girl's podcast because they did one of those videos where
they answered assumptions about themselves and someone wrote in with
the assumption that they were rude to their fans, and
Ella said she was shocked to discover that the influencers
(23:04):
had referenced her in the episode. Here's what she said.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
They start talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Me, and they basically say that the only time that
they can think about that they might have been rude
to a fan was on the weekend when one of the.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Girls came up to me and said that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Like, do I even know anyone here? Kind of like
fuck off, not to mention. They also said that I
made them uncomfortable and that I made their immediate like
circle of friends feel uncomfortable and uneasy. Mind you, I
(23:50):
am nineteen years old. These girls at the time were
like twenty nine thirty years old, and they were trying
to make out like I was making them go uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
I was absolutely shattered.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Isn't that your worst fear? Like, can you imagine meeting
someone that you really idolize, and then later on you
hear on a podcast or in some sort of TV
interview that they had such a mortifying experience with you,
and you'd like royally humiliated yourself. Yeah, especially because Ella
said she'd been drinking, so maybe she'd been able to
convince herself, oh no, it wasn't that awkward, and then
(24:30):
it's literally just been confirmed. Well, I feel sorry for
her because it seemed like she was coming from a
place of just being in awe of the women. It
didn't seem like she was trying to be overtly negative
or rude to the morning. She was so upset by
this podcast recording that she ended up selling all of
her Jagger and Stone stuff. But she said when she
moved to Sydney later that year, she discovered that she
(24:52):
still had one of the brand's bikinis. However, she noticed
it was broken, so she claims she'd only warn the
bikinis once and I quote being a petty bitch. She
shared a photo of the broken bathers on her Instagram
story and tagged the brand saying they were shit. We
are in the weeds a lot of this episode. It's
a lot of petty dramas. So this then prompted the
(25:14):
same influencer, Lucy Jackson, to write back to her Instagram
story saying, Babe, that bikini is two years old, to
which Ella replied, Babe, I've worn it twice again. The
babes the passive aggressive base now let's have a listen
to what else Ella said, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Sorry, I didn't realize that swim where it was meant
to break after like a few years when you have
a business and you're selling like apperil swimwear or anything
like that, Like especially at the price point that they had,
Like it shouldn't only last a couple of years.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Like I've had so.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Many bikinis last meet a decade and they've never once broken.
So that comment was unnecessary, and I feel like it
was kind of targeted at this person who's like thirty
years old, Like get agree to be fair.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Even if you've worn this bikini twice, if you've had
a kicking around your house, it's moved places with you,
I'm sure it can get damaged. Really, I think bathes
seemed to last for a really long time. I mean,
maybe I don't treat my stuff very well, just throw
it around the house. It also depends if you wash
off all of the chlorine. Anyway, we're getting into the
weeds here, but since this video has gone viral on
(26:26):
TikTok so, at the time of recording, it's had two
hundred thousand views. The comments section has been littered with
people tagging Lucy and Nicki as well as followers sharing
information about the Happy Hour podcast in question. So I
have tracked down the episode from July twenty twenty. So
let's hear exactly what Lucy and Nicky said about this incident.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
You get annoyed when being approached by punters when you're
out and about with your friends. Ah, okay this, I
will say this absolutely not getting approached and say hello,
I fucking live for it.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I love it, have a yarn. That's absolutely fine.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
What I do not like is then and this has
only happened maybe like three times, so this isn't like
something that happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And I think you know if you're doing it or not.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yeah, I don't like it when people come over and
then stay and like join us, kind of as if
then you're welcome, because maybe they do come over initially
and we are really friendly. Then to then stick around
while we're there with our own friends, maybe out for
dinner or at a festival, dancing with our group of
our friends or whatever, and then to keep hanging around
and sometimes even filming us or like filming yourself, to
(27:39):
try and act like you're kind of like hanging out
with us. I guess it's like come and say hello,
give me a hug, have a little boogie, get a photo.
That's sweet as they come interrupt my night, So then
I can't really be talking and spending time with my friends.
When I'm like just genuinely on a night out with
my friends, that's when I get annoyed. And I think,
you know, if you're doing that, like and if you
(28:00):
if someone sort of says, oh, yeah, you know, that'll
do run along, like do you have any other friends here?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
That's not being offensive. That's just us trying to get
on with that night.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Well that's what happened that time, and that girl I
got really a friend ed and was like, you know,
blah blah blah. And then a girl blew up at
me and was like you are so nasty blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And I'm like, I'm not nasty at all.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
But if you come over and proceed to hang out
with my group of friends for like longer than fifteen
minutes and just kind of try and blend in and
no one knows who you are, I don't care if
I have two followers on Instagram, You're being annoying. Regardless
of who I am, So piss off pretty much, Stram,
don't over say you're welcome, that's all.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I kind of get this because in the influencer world,
you're always hearing of micro influencers or people who want
a following trying to leach on to bigger creators. And
it would piss me off if I was in lucy
and nicky situation and I'm out with my friends and
you've given this person the time and then they're trying
to sneak around and join your friendship group and potentially
(29:02):
take videos of you in a compromising position when you're drunk.
Think in this instance, this Ella, maybe she had the
best intentions and she just read the situation wrong. Because
can you imagine if you met, you know, some podcasts
or influences that you really respected and you thought you
had hit it off, only to be told quite aggressively
like scram fuck off. Basically, yeah, I can kind of
(29:24):
see both sides to it, because, especially when alcohol is
involved and lines are blurred, it seemed to be that
Ella was picking up the wrong cues and maybe should
have just realized to leave. Well, I would have been
offended hearing that if I was Ella though, Oh, I
would be so intimidated by Lucy and Nikki. I think
they sound fucking funny, but I feel like I don't
(29:45):
like that sort of tone directed at me. Well, the
only thing is I think that someone like Lucy, she
takes no shit by the sounds of it, and it's oh,
she sounds classic. Yeah, And it's quite apparent that she
felt like her personally personal boundaries were being and that's
why I think she just said, look, babe, do you
know anyone else here? Can you please leave? One of
our friends has said that she wishes she would spot
(30:06):
Lucy and Nikki out somewhere so that she could try
and party with them, and that seems to be something
that a lot of their listeners think. So they must
get her all the time, and it must get really frustrated.
I think that's why this girl was so disappointed, because
they do put across this image of hey, come party
with us or have a boogie, we'll have a drink
and everything like that. But a breach is probably a
limit where it's like, hey, this is a socially acceptable
(30:29):
point to leave. I know Abby Chatfield has spoken about
this in the past, and she said that She's more
than happy to pose for photos and have a little chat,
but you know, when she's out on a night out,
she actually wants to spend it with her friends and
not be interrupted the whole. These are good tips. If
we ever spot Taylor Swift out and we meet her
fifteen minutes, that's the cat and then I have to
fuck off. Yeah. I think the timing though of this
(30:50):
TikTok is really interesting because, as we spoke about earlier
in the episode, Lucy has recently broken up with her
boyfriend after she discovered he was cheating on her, and
she's been very open on TikTok sharing about her experience,
and this has garnered a lot of public sympathy. So
it's interesting that this video suddenly pops up just after this.
(31:12):
Oh Ella is obviously writing on the coattails of this
drama and thinking, well, everyone's talking about the girls at
the moment, let's drop this incident. It's going to get
me a lot of views and engagement.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Interestingly, Ella actually said in this TikTok that she was
inspired to make the video after randomly seeing another pop
up where Lucy labeled another podcaster a fucking bully. So
This was the final clue when I was like, this
is clearly Lucy because earlier this year, Lucy's sparch controversy
when she released a video perceivably calling out podcaster Megan
(31:43):
Pisetto from So Dramatic. So the two podcasters have had
a lot of beef over the last couple of years.
Lucy and Nicki accused of making racist remarks towards Megan,
and interestingly, Megan has a connection to Ella. Side note,
I really hate when people throw around the to bully
at everyone to describe a journalist working or investigating stories. Yeah,
(32:05):
it's not good. On the topic of Megan though, So
Ella actually appeared on one of So Dramatic's podcasts back
in twenty twenty two, and so she spoke about how
she was in a relationship with former mass contestants Jackson
Loney and Jack Miller. And this was quite a controversial
episode because Ella was the first person Jackson was connected
(32:25):
to after his high profile split from fellow Maths contestant Olivia.
And in this episode, Megan described Ella as the chaos
queen and I think that's a good description after seeing
this TikTok, because she's obviously not afraid just stir the pot,
which I love. It was a really good episode. Well
it's an interesting connection, isn't it, Because Meghan is obviously
not a huge fan of Lucy and Nicky either, And
(32:49):
I saw a lot of people actually tagging Megan and
so dramatic in this TikTok as well. And Ella responded, look,
Megan is well aware of this incident. Is this going
to be another three way few? There's been so many
feuds popping up on TikTok at the moment, and I
am here for the entertainment. Well, I get it as well,
because let's be real, this is the influencer world, and
(33:09):
if you create drama, it equals views. The one thing
I felt really uncomfortable about during Ella's call out, though,
was the constant age bashing of Lucy and Nicki. And
maybe this is because I'm in my thirties, but the
continual reference to their age, I thought it was a
bit unnecessary and it kind of came across as age shaming.
So you sent me the clip and I think one
of the had the text and that said, thirty year
(33:32):
old podcasters have bullied me, and I thought, holy fuck,
is this about us? And then I was like, what
the fuck that I have to mention our age? I mean,
this is how Lucy and NICKI felt as well, because
the age is irrelevant. It's kind of like saying, oh, well,
they should know better because they're in their thirties. Yeah. Well,
I just can't wait to see if Lucy responds. I
don't know if she will feel like she's got to
(33:53):
be a bit more shit going on in her life.
I think if she's to respond, she'll probably respond on
her podcast in a similar fashion to the first time
they spoke about the incident. But again, I don't think
she wants to give Ella the attention.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
Or clout everybody.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
We usually would not be making a video like this,
but there is information circuling about us that is completely untrue.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
A us TikTok couple is facing backlash for appearing to
leave their kids unattended in their cabin whilst they dined
out at a restaurant during their family cruise. Another couple
in question, Matt and Abby Howard, have been forced to
issue a statement refuting the claims. Sophy. Before we get
into it, can you bring us up to speed on
who Matt and Abby are? Yeah, well, they're two TikTokers
(34:34):
who are very much selling the American dream. So they're Christian,
their high school sweethearts, and they've got two kids called
Griffin and August. That is so American. They are from
Phoenix in Arizona, and they share very curated family moments
as well as insights into their very traditional marriage, and
they also recreate a lot of viral trends on TikTok.
(34:55):
Now they have over seven million subscribers on YouTube and
it's basically a family channel where they blog about their lives.
They also have five point three million followers on TikTok
and a podcast called The Unplanned Podcast where they discussed
their relationship as well as their family dynamic. And they're
no strangers to controversy, so they have been slammed previously
(35:16):
for their views on traditional gender roles. In the house,
so Abby handles most of the cleaning and raising of
the children, and in a now deleted video from twenty
twenty two, Matt surprised Abby by taking care of the
house and their newborn child. So this video copped a
lot of criticism because people said it was perpetuating the
trope of the hopeless dad who can't raise his own
(35:37):
kids or has the capacity to clean. It reminds me
a little bit of all that controversy with Mattie Jay
last year. Now, another controversy involved matt making his own
homemade baby formula, and at the time he added a
disclaimer saying that you shouldn't actually give it to your baby,
but critics argued that it was dangerous and could encourage
people to try it out at home. And this year
(35:58):
he copped criticism for boycotting Father's Day, so on his
podcast he spoke about how instead of celebrating on the
official day in America, he planned to celebrate it on
a separate weekend because Father's Day fell very close to
his birthday and the year prior he'd done a joint
Father's Day and Birthday celebration, but he didn't want to
do it again this year. I think that controversy is
(36:20):
a bit weak. Oh yeah, because people were saying, oh,
he's entitled, and it's a red flag because he's demanding
two separate days that celebrate him. I think they were
pretty unfair with that one. Yeah. Now, this is where
the latest controversy has erupted, because in September, the family
embarked on a seven night cruise with Abby's extended family,
(36:41):
and they shed highlights of their holiday on their Instagram accounts. Now.
Abby revealed at the beginning of the trip that they
were eating out as a family, but it wasn't really working,
she wrote on her Instagram story, So we ended up
taking them for five nights and it became apparent that
they weren't enjoying it, and therefore we weren't either. This
is obviously the children. Yeah, so then we switched our
(37:03):
dinner time to after their bedtime. Now in this Instagram story,
she shared this caption over the top of a baby
monitor and continued to write, we facetimed the monitors while
we ate and that worked out much better for everyone.
She then added that the baby monitors don't work on
board unless you're only five feet away, explaining they needed
(37:24):
to FaceTime the monitors to get it on their screens,
and this elicited a huge response from their followers. Many
took to Facebook gossip forums and also read a post
to share their concerns. One follower said, so clearly they
have paid no attention to the Madeline McCann case, while
another said this is incredibly upsetting, especially as they had
family with them that probably could have watched them while
(37:46):
they were out and had something to eat together. Facetiming
the baby monitor while several floors away, when anything can
go wrong in that time span, is just incredibly distressing
as a parent. Now, others went as far as calling
it negligent and raised issues around what if a medical
emergency happened, or an abduction or a child went wandering
and fell overboard. Now, following the backlash, Abby swiftly removed
(38:10):
the story and provided no explanation. But the couple broke
their silence about this incident on Tuesday by releasing a
TikTok video, which at the time of recording has had
nine million views. So Matt started by saying, they wouldn't
usually create a video like this, but there is information
circulating about them that isn't true, so they wanted to
(38:31):
set the record straight. They said they're very protective of
their kids and love them more than anything in the
entire world. They also thank their followers for being concerned
about the safety and wellbeing of their kids. Watching this,
it's clear that they have a PR team that they're
working with. Because they were trying to sound very understanding
to the critics. They also began by explaining that they
(38:51):
went on the cruise with Abby's extended family and that
the kids were never left alone at any time during
the cruise. Here's what said.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
And people started to speculate and believe that we had
left her children alone in their staterooms, and that is
completely untrue because we had someone with her children at
all times on this boat period.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I do want to clarify that we have not, would not,
will not ever leave our children unattended.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
We would never ever want to put them in harm's
way in any way.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Abby then explained that she could see how her story
could have been misleading, which is why she deleted it
straight away. Now, Abby and Matt clearly knew that many
followers would question, well, if you had people babysitting for you,
why then did you have to FaceTime the baby monitor,
which I think is a fair enough question. Now, Abby
went on to explain that her kids always sleep in
(39:47):
a sort of blackout tent, and in the middle of
the tent there's a spot for a sound machine and
also a spot for a baby monitor. So she said
that even when they sleep in the same room with
their kids, at home, they all always have their monitors
on so that they can watch what's happening in the tent.
So she said that even though they were tagged teaming
with a family member at dinner, they wanted to have
(40:09):
that extra caution of watching them on the baby monitor
as well. This seems odd to me. Why are you
having your kid in this blacked out tent that you
can't see them? Well, the whole thing sounds like a
bit of bullshit. They probably sat around and were like, fuck,
we look so irresponsible. I mean, as one of their
followers pointed out, all I could think of was the
Madeline mccannon situation. Have we not learned anything from that?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Well?
Speaker 1 (40:32):
It was quite interesting because their comment section on the
TikTok video was full of people praising them, so I
don't know if it's been highly edited. So one follower wrote,
great explanation. I also think it's lovely that you thank
people for caring and being concerned rather than getting on
the defense. Perfectly articulated, and that comment received five thousand likes. Wow.
(40:53):
But it doesn't make sense why they'd share that Instagram
story because it's kind of like they were having a
laugh about it. It really does seem like they're changing
their story now because they weren't expecting such a big
reaction from their followers. The bit where they lost me
is when they didn't name which family member was looking
after the kids. Because initially in the TikTok Matt said, oh, yeah,
(41:15):
we were with Abby's extended family and we had everyone
there from the great grandmother to the kids. They didn't
explain all the other people. And then when they said, oh,
it was someone looking after a child, they didn't say
which family member. And I think that's because they were
probably concerned that during their trip they may have put
up a photo of a dinner which showed all of
the family there, or maybe they think that they're so
(41:37):
famous that someone would have taken a photo of them
on that night out for dinner and they might get
caught out in some way. Great pr by their team. Well,
a lot of people said they also didn't buy the
body language in the video. Someone said that the eye
contact screamed guilty. I love how everyone becomes a body
language expert as soon as he's influencer. Apologies come out. Yeah,
(41:58):
let's get into our hires lows of the week, and
I'm going to kick things off with a very embarrassing
low that I almost didn't want to bring to the podcast. Now,
I'm all, is well, you persuaded me to bring this
one up because we Well, I got my full wedding
video back and I'd forgotten some of the funny things
that you mentioned in your speech, and one of those
(42:19):
things a lot of OG listeners will remember, and that
is that a couple of Christmas Eves ago, I went
to AUDI wearing a very thick green fake tan, like
the tan had gone off. I literally looked like the Grinch. Anyway,
I quickly put on some shorts and unbeknown to me,
the shorts were inside out. Well, you thought everyone was
(42:40):
staring at you at AUDI because of your atrocious fake tan,
but it was actually because of your shorts, and the
shorts had inbuilt undies, so you literally looked like some
kind of strange superhero.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
So that was mortifying, and I thought that I'd moved
past those sort of incidences, but apparently not, because five
still still doing it. So I went shopping with my husband.
We went to rush into woolworst pick up a couple
of things. We got back I was unpacking the groceries,
and I lifted my arms up in the cupboard and
(43:12):
my husband said, what is that poking out of your pants?
And somehow there was a sheet of toilet paper that
had been hanging out of my pants. I didn't know
if he'd been to the shops. Yeah, so Brandon said.
He initially thought that it was like a folded up
tissue that maybe I'd put there because in caf I
had a runny nose. But no, it was toilet paper.
(43:33):
And then I went to bed that night and my
partner lifted up the covers as he does always to
check for spiders because we live in the hills, and
he noticed that there was a piece of toilet paper
attached to my foot. So I do not know what
is going on with me at the moment. Anyway, my
high of the week, it will be a quick one.
It has been spending time with my nephew Jack. He
is so cute. He is officially three months old, and
(43:55):
we went on a very sweet walk together. He's in
that stage where he's smiling at you and laughing and
he is just so cute. He's adorable. So my low
of the week has been I have finished all of
my favorite Netflix shows. I'm out, I have nothing to watch.
So I was hoping that some outspoken listeners could slide
into our dms. Maybe we could start a thread in
(44:17):
our Facebook community. I want a list of great shows
that you and your partner will enjoy, because it's really
a struggle to find shows that I like and that
Dale likes. And my high of the week is I
finally got around what is it now, like September nine
or seven months after my wedding, I've finally gotten around
two printing my wedding photos, and I've printed two quite
(44:40):
large pieces. I don't know how the listeners feel about
having such large wedding photos in your house, but I've
seen quite a few people do it where they select
one really cool photo, which is what I've done. Well, well,
you've selected two two, yeah, but just one of Dale
and I am oh so yeah. The other one is
of the bridal party. Look, i'm popular opinion here, and
I apologize if you have one of these in your house.
But when I think verges on taki is when people
(45:01):
get them printed on canvases. I don't know why, I
think I'm just not a fan of the canvas. I
think that's very early two thousands. So I've got them
printed from this local printer in Adelaide. I've had photos
in my house printed from him before. He's really really good.
It's on this beautiful paper. But I'm trying to find
the right frames. I got some from Freedom previously, but
(45:22):
they don't have the exact ones anymore. Do you know
when I think it is too far with wedding photos
is when they're the huge focus of your house and
your wedding was like twenty years ago. Because you know,
when you've just been married, it's like, yeah, it's nice
to put up your photos, but you kind of think, well,
what's next, Like have you achieved anything else in your life?
Is there anything else to come? So long I'm saying, like,
(45:42):
you know, most of the time it's taken up by
you know, well not that the holidays in achievement, but
by other things you're doing in life. How do you
have kids or weather days. I think it's nice. I
think what happens, though, is when people get older, the
photos become outdated and yeah, you've got the canvas, that's
what ima. You can look a bit tacky, But maybe
I'll have to share a photo on my Instagram story.
When I get them up, I think they're going to
(46:04):
look really cool. Sophie's a bit gutted because I have
this photo of all of the bridal party walking along
this gravel path, and the only one you chose is
literally half my face cut out of it. Yeah, it was, unfortunately,
because Sophie kept pulling all these weird faces when she
was having this very animated conversation, so the only one
we could feature was one where she was trying to
be true. There was one of me normal, yeah, but
(46:25):
the rest of the four other people were cut out. Well, anyway,
you're in it, everybody. I don't mind being on it.
I think it's quite funny. Anyway. I think that it's
all we have time for today. We hope you enjoyed
today's episode. If you did, it would really help us
out if you could leave us a review, preferably a
good one, preferably five stars. And I want to point
(46:47):
out somebody left us a review recently saying that they
were frustrated because the ads were being inserted into the
wrong story. To be honest, when I listened back, it
was very annoying, and I fired off a message sheaving like,
what is going on with it? I just want to
flag that we're on a program called Omni and they've
recently done an update, and I pride myself on perfectly
(47:08):
placing the ads, and I don't know what's happened because
on my end shows that the ads are placed in
that spot, it seems to have thrown them out by
a few seconds. So I do apologize to anyone who
that has affected and irritated. This episode was recorded on
the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.
We pay respect to Elder's past and present, and if
you haven't already, we had a special episode drop on
(47:28):
Monday where Kate returned to give us an update on
the fourth trimester, and tomorrow's subscriber episode is one I
think that a lot of you will want to tune into.
We answer some questions that we previously haven't been allowed
to answer before because Kate has directed us not to.
So we open up about some feuds, some miscommunications in
(47:49):
the podcast industry, and yes, a lot of juicy stuff,
So you've got to check that one out.
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