October 8, 2024 • 36 mins
It’s been a big week for fitness influencer Tammy Hembrow and her fiance Matt Zukowski. The couple created headlines for dramatically unfollowing each other on Instagram days out from their lavish joint 'Hucks' Party.
Fitness mogul, Steph Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be sharing her son Harvey’s face online.
Controversial Slick Stick owner Mia Plecic has made a very odd business move, launching a new mothering Instagram account with the same name as Australia’s biggest women’s media publication.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
on today's show, Tammy Hembro and Matt Zakowski dramatically unfollow
each other. Days out from their joint Hucks party, Steph
Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be sharing
her son's face online and mia Plastic's very puzzling business move.
(00:26):
But first, Sophie, there's been another twist in the Crumble
cookie drama.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, this story is getting interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
As a quick refresher, last week there was a pop
up event in North Bonda and there was a it
was he a teenager, a young kid who looked like
they were from a private school, not the stereotype, who
held an event pretending to be the cookie brand.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Allegedly, they were.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Selling these cookies for seventeen dollars fifty of pop and
from all accounts, they were quite stale. Because this schoolboy
had flown to Hawaii, he'd bought seven hundred cookies.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And he decided to sell them off. A lot of
people are saying he's quite.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Entrepreneurial, but it hasn't really been great for him because
the backlash has been pretty intense. But who it has
been good for is the real Crumbles. So they released
a statement saying they will accelerate their plans to bring
the brand to Australia following the controversy.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah so. In this official.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Statement, the Crumble team said it has been amazed by
the support of fans in Australia over recent weeks and
as a result, they've been inspired to bring their cookies
to Australia so us Ozzie's can actually have a true
Crumble experience. I mean, if this isn't perfect pr last
week we spoke about whether this was a good or
bad thing for the company. Obviously it's been a positive
(01:40):
because they've been able to see how many Australians are
so desperate for these cookies. But also it's interesting that
they preface that they want customers to have the true experience,
because then again, all of these people who purchased the
fake cookies for seventeen fifty and had a bad experience,
they want to turn that experience around. I love the
fact that so many TikTokers are creating their own version
(02:01):
of the Crumble cookie so Michael Finch recently did his
own recipe for it is definitely generated a lot of
attention for this brand. Yeah, and Crumble have also released
an official Australian Instagram account. So previously the pop up
went under the name of Crumble Sydney. Crumble have taken
Crumble Australia and they've released this reel and in the
(02:21):
real it starts off by showing all of the news
coverage that the pop up event got and then it
says the real Crumble is coming soon. But my favorite
part of it is that they have this graphic and
in the graphic there's a little koala holding a Crumble.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Cookie, which I just thought was so cute. Plot twist.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
This has been a stunt by the company all along,
and they've paid this boy to go into weak. We
spoke about one of the organizers before, and the Daily
Mail did this huge expose where they named this Sydney
schoolboy as being the boy behind this pop up and
they even featured a photo of his mum outside her
four million dollar BELvue Hills mansion. But suddenly three days
(02:58):
later the photo of the mother was removed. The boy's
name has been removed. They still reference him as a
year ten student from a.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Prestigious Sydney school.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But I'm assuming that the family have called in the lawyers.
But they're probably so pleased now because this statement from
Crumble has taken the heat off this kid, because now
it seems like he should be being praised for getting
the cookie giant down under.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How long will we love each other?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
For?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Always and forever?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's been a big week for fitness influencer Tammy Hembro
and her fiance Matt Sakowski. The couple created headlines for
dramatically unfollowing each other on Instagram days out from their
lavish joint Hucks party. I first was alerted to this
when a listener in our Facebook group asked if Tammy's
profile was down, and listeners began replying that they also
(03:49):
couldn't see her account.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Because originally, when I had.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
A look, I thought, oh, maybe she's blocked us, because
we have been covering quite a lot about her relationship
with Matt. But it appeared to be done for everyone,
and it looked as though she had temporarily deactivated her account,
because within an hour it was back up again, but
she was following one less person and that was of
course her fiance Matt. And interestingly, Matt was also not
(04:14):
following Tammy, which got a lot of people talking.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But that can also happen if you block someone.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh, she had clearly blocked him, because if he blocked someone,
it removes that person from all of your photo tags.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yes, suddenly his name was not appearing, so it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Looked like she blocked him, then deactivated her account, and
then brought it back at It was interesting timing because
Matt had been in Melbourne and he only just returned
to the Gold Coast when all of this blocking went on. Yeah,
and it was really odd because he jetted back into
the Gold Coast with his sister Emma, and he was
still posting on his Instagram story. So he was out
(04:49):
at this marketplace which he would never normally post about,
and it looked really wholesome. It was this cute little
nighttime market and presumably his was there for the couple's
joint Hucks party, which was supposed to be happening that weekend.
And what is most interesting about this is that Matt's
sister Emma also unfollowed Tammy, and I wondered whether this
(05:13):
was a tactic to make it look like Tammy had
done something wrong. Yeah, and it was all very odd
because it's not as if Tammy's sisters unfollowed Matt, and
they recently did that interview on Matt's podcast where they
lay the boot in and said he was immature and
all this kind of stuff. So I thought they'd be
the first one follow Maybe they thought, oh, this is
all going to blow over by the weekend.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's already awkward between us.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I may be reading far too much into this, but
in one of the Instagram stories that Matt posted at
this market, he shared a picture of a stall the
specifically sold Dashound merchandise, and he captured the photo what
a cute dashy store. This just seems like a really
odd thing to share about when you're having a fight
with your fiance And instantly the Dashound rung a bell
(06:00):
for me and I realized that his ex girlfriend Jen,
and she's the one whose name he recently was getting
removed from his ass she owns a Dashound.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's because Matt had a tattoo of her name. Yes
is what it pointed.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, so his ex girlfriend owns a Dashound who Matt
used to live with and was obsessed with so the
dashhound is called Mucci and Matt was always posting about
it on his TikTok before they broke up. Wait a sex,
So do you think this fight could have been sparked
by the tattoo removal because everyone was talking about it.
He'd recently shared this collaboration with this particular numbing cream.
(06:37):
She was obviously a hot topic at that time.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Possibly.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, I also think that maybe the sisters, you know,
the pop sharing their two cents about him didn't help.
But yeah, I just thought this must be a subtle
reference to the old days with his partner, Like, was
this some sort of dig it Tammy?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I feel like you're reading a.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Bit too much into it, But the fact that the
sister was also at this market is also very old.
Why I share about like if your ex live with
Like just say your ex had a dog with his
partner and it was like this dog that he loved,
why would you post about it? It's like you're almost
trying to get your ex to message you or something.
Unless he was like, oh fuck, I need to share
(07:16):
something on my Instagram because I want to see if
Tammy or whatever burner accounts or whenever Business Accounts has
a look at it to see if she can I've
just got to share something, but he'd already shared numerous
roaders at this market. Isn't the most awkward thing, though,
having to refollow somebody that you have unfollowed. Yeah, I
mean I've done that before with you guys, when I
unfollow you in like a blind rage. And I've stopped
(07:38):
doing it because I know it sounds lame, but it
always pops up like, oh, you be friends with this
person for fifteen years in Facebook stuff. Yeah, on Facebook
is embarrassing when it's like you be friends with this
person for a year and you're like, oh, I was
really intrigued though, to find out more about Matt's relationship
with Jen, Like, you have told me not to describe
her like this, but she's a normal girlfriend, so she
(07:59):
has no reality TV ties at all, because I just
think it's an offensive term. Someone's enormy.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's not offensive. It's a fucking pop. It's just a
normal girl anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So Matt is known for dating celebrity, so he previously
dated Kira Maguire from the Bachelor, and he I don't
know if this is true or if this is just
a rumor, but it sounds like he said that he
dated her for followers. There was a lot of press
around the time that they broke up, and so who
knows how true it was. It was probably sources said
Matt only dated her for attention, so Genevieve, she didn't
(08:32):
really fit the type of who he normally would date
as well.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
She's brunette, not famous.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They started dating in twenty twenty one and their relationship
was really on again, off again from all reports, and
he made twenty twenty three, Matt announced on his podcast
that they broke up. Now, I want to get our
timeline up here, because that is four months before he
started dating Tammy Hembro.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And when he announced.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The breakup, he said that they were still very much
in contact, and he didn't reveal the exact reason, but
we could all read between the lines because he said,
I crossed boundaries that I shouldn't have. I disrespected her
in ways that look I'm not proud of now. Immediately
I thought this sounded like cheating, but he followed up
by saying, it sounds like I cheated on her.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Nothing like that happened. It was nothing like that. I
was more in a way. I wasn't loyal in situations
I should have been.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I definitely lost my way and was brought into cultures
that are a younger version of me, and I should
have just been more true to who I am now
and not done that stuff. Obviously, it was too much
for both of us, mostly her, and she broke up
with that. Sounds like he has either gone to strip
clubs with his friends. He's either maybe drunk too.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Much, may be drinking or drugs.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I mean, well, we don't want to point fingers, but
even the fact that last week on his podcast he
said to his podcast hosts Anna mcavoyd that you know
that he didn't want to invite her to his Bucks
party because of his friends, and how Anna didn't get
along with it, like I don't know if he's been
cult and he acted as if she didn't like the
vibe around them. He became they sound like sort of
(10:05):
those meat heead, sort of guys that you'd meet at
a festival. I mean, I've never seen I haven't really
seen photos of them, but I wouldn't be surprised the
fact that he said he didn't cheat, but he'd cross boundaries.
I reckon strip club maybe. What is also quite interesting
is that after the breakup with Jen, Matt was forced
to move back in with his mum, but he was
only there for four months because it took him four
(10:26):
months to then shack up with Tammy hembro on the gold.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Goes to be fair. Melbourne rent is very expensive. Yes,
it is very expensive, but the timing says a bit doesn't. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, Matt and Tammy ended up following each other again
the next day, but it's not the first time they
have unfollowed each other. So back in April they unfollowed
one another briefly, and that was following the infamous Grand
Prix DM fiasco. It's clear that Tammy and Matt's followers
want to know what led to this most recent unfollowing,
(10:58):
so one person wrote under one of Matt's posts, why
have you and Tammy unfollowed each other on Instagram? Looks
as though she has deleted a lot of photos with
you as well.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Now Matt, of course did not reply.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
One listener weighed in our Facebook community, saying, definitely something
fishy going on. You should not be marrying someone if
you were finding yourself unfollowing them. Post arguments and then
adding them after again. That would be a big red
flag for me. There is no easy or quick divorce.
I've got to say, like, I have never unfollowed Dale
off Instagram, and I can't even imagine unfollowing him in.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The lead up to our wedding.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Particularly if you are a public figure and people on
a daily basis are keeping track of who you're following
and unfollowing, you're clearly trying to send.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
A message there. Yeah, it's just bizarre behavior.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Another follower, which I tend to agree with, said Matt
is a boy, not yet a man. I feel like
there must have been a lot of pressure on them
to reconcile after this fight, particularly when the Hen's Party
in Bucks Party was only a few days away. I mean,
Matt had people flying in from Melbourne. I'm sure there's
been a lot of money poured into the Hen's Party.
It looked like a very lavish event. They had caterer's
(12:06):
event planners.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Also, there seemed to.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Be a lot of partnership deals riding on this Hen's
Party and Bucks Party going ahead, so financially and also
from a business perspective, it would have been bad to
pull the pin well this party did end up eventuating
and Tammy looked incredible. So she was really vibing Marilyn Munroe,
particularly with her hair. So she wore a white mini
(12:30):
dress from Sydney designer Aston Bridle, and I saw their
TikTok account and they were so excited to give her
this dress. Yeah. Well it had a corsett top and
this little puffy skirt with these draping bows at the front.
It appeared like this was a partnership deal because she
kept tagging them in the posts, and then she also
provided them with photos and videos for them to share
(12:51):
on their own social media accounts. Now, Tammy's bridesmaids did
an amazing job. They organized this beautiful long lunch at
a very fancy house on the gold Coat.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I wondered if it was Tammy's house, it looked a
lot like hers. No, it wouldn't have been her house.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It was a different house that they'd hired out and
they had an event company called Next Event. It was
very esthetic looking, and as I said earlier, there were
just so many sponsorship dealers going on. So they had
in the roundhouse who appeared to supply all of the crockery,
and they.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Also had two chefs there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
They were cooking up the long lunch in the kitchen,
and Tammy tagged them as well, just to point out there,
because we've got so many influences who contact us and
they're like, no, I was just being nice and tagging them.
So in Tammy's defense, she may have just tagged them
because they were doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think we don't know. I think she paid for
hair and makeup.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think often people just tag hair and makeup because
they build a connection with them and a bit of
a friendship whilst they're doing it. But I don't think
that she's just tagging a caterer willy nilly. One of
the cool details I liked from The Bridesmaids was that
they created a cocktail list which was named after Tammy's
hall passes. And I don't know if I rate some
of these hall passes, Like there's Keanu Reeves, Patrick Dempsey,
(14:00):
Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I didn't even know who John Kransky is. Is that
why you say his name?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I had to google them as well.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
They're on the older side, But I feel like Keanu
Reeves is maybe one of her old school hall passes.
He seemed to be quite popular, you know, back in
the day. Now, Anna McAvoy didn't make a surprise appearance.
It looked like it was a very intimate group of girls.
I was surprised to see Lily Brown there, though I
didn't realize they were so close. I know that she
(14:27):
attended their New Year's party, but I wouldn't have had
her on my list of people I expected to see their,
particularly because Anna didn't get an invite.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, well, I'm assuming Anna didn't go to Matt's things.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
No, No, there was only one photo that Matt posted
the next day of what looked like to be a
bit of a piss up, and the friends were just
what you would expect, and he was wearing a convict.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Outfit like on his podcast he said that.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He wanted to wear like a western outfit. But it's
clear that his friends really didn't organize anything. So I'm
guessing that the convict is the old life. Oh, the
old ball and chain.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
She's lost.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah down, His groomsmen might have organized his costume for him,
like they obviously always stitch.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Up the groom. I enjoyed all of the social media
content that came up.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Because there was one video which Tammy shared and she
was up on a chair dancing to Shania Twain and
she legitimately looked like she was having a really good time.
That's really as rowdy as it got, and it seemed
like the whole joint Hucks party was a bit of
an afterthought. It seemed like they were all very intoxicated
when they got there, because after the lunch, Tammy then
(15:32):
moved on to the Star Gold Coast and they'd set
up this beautiful room with her.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Again.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I think this was also another sponsorship deal, because she
was tagging them and they had this huge suite and
her bridesmaids had set up all these white balloons and
they had these cute photos of Tammy and Matt's faces.
But it just seemed like you know when you know,
when you're day drinking and it's just gone on for
too long and everyone's getting really messy, Like I just
kind of got those vibes.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And Emily actually left the party.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Really so she stayed for the lunch and then she
basically said that she had escaped the hens to join
her husband at dinner. I'm guessing they're probably debriefing about
the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, Well, that doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, the Daily Mail have been trying to paint
the event of some big flop, because they put up
a whole load of paparazzi shots and Tammy appeared to
be crying in the photos when she met up with Matt.
But I don't buy it because there were so many
different photos in different articles that they shared, and in
one she's kissing him and smiling, and in the next.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
She looks like she's teary.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
To be honest, I think she was touching her fake eyelashes.
That's all I think it was. I thought it looked
like he had given her a bracelet and she was like,
oh my god, thank you so much, like she'd probably
been drunk, so it was a bit teary at the
sight of seeing her fiance. Well, the Daily Mail went
as far as quoting an anonymous insider who said that
Tammy was visibly upset and Matt was trying to comfort her,
(16:54):
but it was clear that she didn't want his affection
and turned her back on him.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Was the source of the photographer, Yeah, exactly. Well.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
They then also claimed that another insider said that the
whole blow up and the unfollowing fiasco was down to
Tammy bringing up a prenup. Look, it's a really hard
one because no one actually knows what's going on in
their lives. But that's why they need to be really
careful about the way that they talk about the relationship
online and also all of this unfollowing business because people read.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So much into it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And I know they've been sharing a few tiktoks where
they've reacted to some of the media coverages if they
don't care, but unfortunately they're bringing it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
On a lot themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Another thing the Daily Mail did that I thought was
really gross is that they captured photos of Tammy entering
her hens lunch and they basically upskirted her. So she
was walking up this little staircase to enter the house
and they snapped in an upwards direction so you could
literally see the outline of her bum and I just
thought it was foul, because you know, she's got this
(17:55):
beautiful dress on. She is potentially unaware that presumably these
men are taking these photos of her, and then they
just post them as if it's nothing. It's just it's
really tacky and gross and just objectifying her.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And I think this is.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Also why Tammy felt the need to upload photos and
Instagram stories on the day of the Hens because she
probably wanted to get in first. Now the day after
the Hens, she also uploaded a carousel and as the caption,
she wrote, just call me missus Zakowski, and that seemed
to elicit a really strong response from followers.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
One wrote, please do a prenup.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You may not want to listen to anyone, but it
covers your babies and you worked hard for what you
have before anyone came along, whilst another said Tammy Zakowski
doesn't hit now. Tammy ended up replying to that comment
and said does for me with a drooling face.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Do you actually think she's going to change her name?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
She is so When she appeared on Matt's podcast at
the start of the year, she said that legally she'll
be changing her name to Tammy Zakowski, but it sounds
like for social media stuff she'll keep at Hembro.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because it's too can using.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Just a decision Josh and.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I made Hinnis mogul.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Steph Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be
sharing her son Harvey's face online. The three year old
has been a fixture on both Steph and her husband
Josh's social media channels.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Steph opened up about the decision in a question and answer.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
And this has just been because he's gotten to an
age now where he's he's a little boy, he's quite recognizable,
and we've had and people have obviously absolutely meant well,
but people who have recognized me or recognized Harvey have
kind of gone up to him and said Hi Harvey.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I just started to think.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
About how uncomfortable I felt with like, especially when there
was times when I wasn't with him or Josh and
I weren't with him and he was out with like
I don't know, a nanny or a family member, or
even at daycare and someone would go up to him
and say, Hi, Harvey. I feel like for a kid,
that would just be so confusing. If strangers coming up
to you and knowing your.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Name, that would be really unsettling to have people coming
up to your child, particularly when you're.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Not there, Like, what a weird situation to be.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I mean, I'm sure that people had the right intentions,
but I don't think I'd ever walk up to a
child who I'd seen on social media and just try
and talk to I actually remember we were shooting a
video at a childcare center and there was an Adelaide
influencer's child there and I recognized the kid instantly.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
But there's no way I would have acknowledged it and
spoken to him.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's weird and it'd be so confusing, and it would
give them this really strange view of the world, because
then do they just assume that everyone knows who they
are now. Steph continued saying that the situation also made
it difficult to teach him about stranger danger and who
he can trust. And it would be like, how can
you say, oh, don't worry. The people that come up
(20:50):
to you are nice, yeah, but also also potentially dangerous.
But if someone came up to him and said, hey, Harvey,
your mum has asked me to come and pick you up,
the kid would be like, oh, okay, I'll just go
with you. It really does show that by sharing a
kid online that they are just so easily recognizable, especially
when you've.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Got millions and millions of followers.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, Steph is one of the I think the
most well known Australian influence.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I think she's a celebrity as well, that she's a famous.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Model, and it also really shows this strange parasocial relationship
you can build with a child. I mean, we've literally
heard about Steph's pregnancies, We've heard her birth story, We've
seen photos of him brought home from the hospital, We've
heard about his tantrums, like we have had a fly
on the wall look into this little kid's life, which
(21:36):
actually sounds so weird when you say it out loud. Well,
and also, Harvey's been a big part of her husband,
Josh's social media content because on his TikTok, he was
sharing a lot of videos of his son sitting down
while he made a coffee. Well, a lot of them
are paid partnerships as well, which I totally understand because
Josh is the full time stay at home dad, so
obviously he's wanting to work out a way that he
(21:57):
can make money whilst raising Harvey. And I think what
has really added to this parasocial relationship with his family
is the fact that Steph often opens up about her
struggles as a mum.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I think the reason she does this.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Is because you know, she's a model, she's starting, she's
got abs, she's got this five million Dollar House. So
she's trying to find some relatability by talking about her
struggles as a mum. But is it her trying to
find relatability or is it her just actually sharing about
her life organically and these things have.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Popped up and she wants to talk about them.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't think she's that, you know, strategic. I don't
think there's anything wrong with being strategic. I'm just more
saying that I think that Kick have tried to build
this platform on relatability, and it would be really hard
when maybe your life isn't that relatable.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
And I think that she is.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Trying to create a community of mums and also that's
her new life now, so that's also why she's sharing
about it.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
We do you think she's going to have an issue though?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Because she has been sharing his face and about him
for such a long time now, I would argue he's
going to be wreckingognizable for a good number of years,
and especially like even I've seen for example, Leyton Hewitt
and Beck Hewitt's child Mia, she was photographed all the
time at the OZ Open and now they're even following
her around as an eighteen year old.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It seems to be obsessed with her.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's so weird because it's not as if she's in
the public eye.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
For her career or anything.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They literally waited until she turned eighteen and then have
all these grow shots of her at the beach.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It is awful.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's because she looks nothing like Layton and Beck and
she's like, look, she kind of does.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's because she's.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Out partying as well. She's always smoking and stuff like
that us.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Most eighteen year olds are.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But getting back to this, I think because she's made
a lot of headlines by talking about him, because you know,
we spoke about it last year where she said flippantly,
oh my toddler can be a total psycho, and that
made a headline and a lot of mums related to
it and said that they actually.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Felt very heard.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And then recently she generated quite a big response by
taking her son to the gym with her, and we
spoke about that as well, and many mums sided with
her and said that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
They should be allowed to go to the gym. And
it's really difficult for mums.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So it's really hard because it has become part of
her brand. So I wonder whether she will not be
sharing his face but still be talking about him. Yeah,
And it seems like Steph is also thinking ahead to
when Harvey goes to school, which isn't that far away,
because she said that she's concerned that her being so
open about him could affect him in the school yard.
Here's what she said, He's also coming close to that
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school age, so like kids talk and.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
They chat, and.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I know that with my profile, like the likelihood of
people bringing up to like coming up to him in
school or whatever and saying like your mom does this
or whatever, that's like one thing that I know, well,
depending on where I'll be in couple of years, that
he might have to deal with, let alone like him
(24:52):
being all over my page as well and then having
access to that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I wonder if this is in reference to some of
the intimate topics that she and her co host Laura
Henshaw share on their podcast, because they've been promoting their
podcast with a lot of viral clips and a lot
of the time it is about their sex life, and
it's proving to be a very successful strategy for them.
They're getting a lot of clicks, a lot of views.
I mean, personally, it makes me want to tune in to.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Hear about it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Everyone wants to jucy detail they recently well I think
it was last year that they spoke about that sex
challenge that she and Josh did, and I was hooked.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I was like, oh my god, this is so juicy.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well it must be so weird as well, when you
have kids and they start off being so young and
not understanding anything, and then the realization that wait a second,
they're going to grow up and they're going to be
able to Google you and they're going to hear your parents,
oh that they had a sex challenge five. I would
not want to hear about that at all.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No child should have to read. But could you imagine
in the school yard.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean this, a lot of this information could be
used a spot it against a kid. I mean hopefully
not at five, no, but I mean kids they have
access to social media.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It is wild stuff that comes out of young kid's mouth.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Like our mum's a teacher and she can't believe some
of the stuff that these young kids know. Do you
think stuff's going to go back and archive old photos
of him or is it just moving forward?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
She's not going to show him anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I reckon, it'll just be a moving forward thing. I've
noticed on a social media she'll still share photos of him,
but his face will be more concealed, like he'll be
turning his head or she'll have riding over the top
of it. I think it is a positive that they've
made this decision. It's really responsible to shut it down
now because they're almost having to say, look, we made
a mistake by sharing too much, which is really commendable
(26:36):
to put your hands up and say you've probably done
the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And I just think ultimately it's really.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Sad that people have to be so careful, but it
is just the reality of social media.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Hey guys, it's been a hot minute since I've been
on TikTok, but I'm relaunching myself.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Controversial slickstick owner Mia Plastic has made a very odd
business move launching a new mother during Instagram account. We'd
wait for it, Sophie, the same name as Australia's biggest
women's media publication.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, this is just wild.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So Mia launched this account on Friday and called it
Mama Miya at Home, which of course is the same
name as Mia Friedman's media company, Mama Mia, which has
been in business for seventeen years. Now, the bio of
the account read busy working mama with a passion for
her baby's health and well being, followed for recipe hacks
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and tips.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now, surely Maya is aware of Mama Mia.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Like you'd have to be living under a rock to
not have heard of this women's media publication. It's a
hugely successful news website and also a podcast network.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I don't really think that you can claim, oh, Sorr,
I haven't heard of them.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I just don't get it, because she surely knows
about them, So she's just made this decision anyway, I mean,
why would you even want to have.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
The same hand or as Mama Maya. It's so confusing.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I mean, at this stage it is just an Instagram account,
but she is a serial entrepreneur, and it is clear
that she'll be eventually looking to monetize it and grow it.
And I really feel like these days Instagram and mother accounts,
they are really the modern day equivalent of blog sites,
and that is fundamentally what Muma Mia started off as,
and then they turned into a larger media company.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
But regardless of if.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
She turns it into a company, why would she want
to have the same name as the biggest women's media
publication of the country.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I mean, is she that fucking unaware?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's pretty brazen, considering she has a history of sending
out cease and desist letters to anyone who sells a
similar product to her or a business she doesn't agree with.
I actually don't think she's unaware of Muma Mia. I
think that she is being strategic because.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
How let's me explain it to you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
She has received so much bad publicity over the years
that a source has told me that she and her husband,
Justin have allegedly invested a lot of money in SEO
so that when businesses search for them, all the.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Negative shit doesn't come up.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
So if she takes on a name that is already popular,
like Mama Mia, people are going to be searching for
Mamma Mia at home instead of mea Plassic, and none
of the negative shit's gonna come up. And also, Mamma
mer is already a term that has a lot of
traction with it. It's interesting because I just did a
search of Mia plastic and there's only positive articles which
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have shown up so far, So the SEO team are
clearly doing their job. I really feel for Mia Friedman
and Mama Mea because I would not want anyone to
think that my brand is affiliated with hers, and I
don't necessarily think at this stage that it's a breach
of trademark laws because it is just an Instagram account,
but it definitely generates a lot of confusion, and if
(29:46):
she has plans to grow this account, it could turn
into a business that will then make it an issue.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, it seems like Muma and MIA's lawyers must have gone.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
To it pretty quickly, because when I checked on Friday,
the account was already down. They definitely got on to
it quit considering it was a public holiday. It's very
clear from this move that Mia wants to enter the
mummy blogging space.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And she's already been sharing.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
A lot of her very strong views about food and
the uses of plastic on her main account, and she
is strongly against manufactured baby food and she makes all of.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Her own organic homemade.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Song that's the next thing, that's the next visitess she's
going to have a baby food brand.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, well that's a very good point.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, because she wanks on about all of this organic
food and before announcing her new venture on Friday, she
shared that she was cooking up bone broth for her
son as well as organic chicken liver, and she shared
this whole rant about plastic. So she said that she
is highly against plastics for her son, and she said
that microplastics are a huge problem that isn't taken seriously enough.
(30:50):
She continued saying that everything of her son's is either glass,
silicon or stainless steel. Now this is despite the fact
that the previous Instagram story showed his vegetables were stored
in plastic ziplock bags, and she said, oh no, no,
but my jars are arriving tomorrow now. She also revealed
that she'd purchased a stainless steel sippy cup to replace
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the plastic one that she'd been using on her European vacation,
as that's all she could find there. She prefaced by
saying that she bought him a new plastic bottle every
few days and throughout the old ones because she was
so afraid of the microplastics breaking down in the water.
Doesn't that sound great for the environment? Why does sisters
remind me of those tiktoks which show people in two
(31:34):
thousand and five as teenagers and they're drinking like Red
Bull and eating Cheetos and they're now in their thirties,
like everything must be orgaddick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
She also said that she'd thrown out all of her
non stick pans, that she only uses stainless steel ones.
She's thrown out her plastic utensils and bottles like it
is giving very much vibes of being a.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
First time mum.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I think she's gone down one of those TikTok holes.
I often get stuck in those where everything like you
can think of.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Your house is apparently toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And she's even throwing out his soft toys, which hurts
my heart. So she's learned that polyester is plastic, so
that'll be the next to go, and his only toys
is are silicon or wood. Wait a second, isn't her
whole slick stick products made out of plastic exactly now?
In this post, she continued saying, I'm so passionate about
my little man's health. He has never drank tap water,
(32:23):
only filtered I don't even know what this is, canngan
or spring water. He's never eaten anything other than food.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I've cooked him all my breast milk.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
All the ingredients are certified organic his nappies are all
natural cotton with no dyes.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I only use natural.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Water wipes that are bio degradable. Does she think that
that makes up for the tens of baby plastic baby
bottles that she throw out during her weeks in Europe?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Like, oh thank god?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
There By, I don't want to judge her, because I
have this fear that I am going to turn into
an earth Mother when I have children.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
There's something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
There's something about it that I think people's minds flick
over and they go, I need to protect this baby
at all accounts.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
The only thing I find funny.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
About it is that regardless of how much you shelter
your child from having plastics or whatever she's doing, one
day they're going to turn into a teenager who goes
to McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Like, it's just the reality. I agree to some extent.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I think that it's quite noble to find out what
you're feeding your kids, and everyone has the choice of
what products and things that they feel comfortable with. I
just feel like, knowing her and her background, it all
sounds really extreme and almost conspiracy theory esque, particularly as
she's a known anti vaxxer. She's much an anti lockdown protest,
(33:37):
and she was trying to get a black market doctor
to give her a COVID passport.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
That's how extreme she gets.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And I sort of feel like saying, well, you're saying
you care so much about your son's health, you haven't
even gotten fucking vaccinated. Well on that issue, I do
find it irritating when I see some mums copying online though,
when they do pack their kid a healthy lunchbox, because
who cops it for packing the cat sat Day is
actually one of them. I saw a recent TikTok and
she was showing all these healthy things that she's packed
(34:03):
Fox for his lunch, and so many people were like
tearing out a shreds, And then I saw one comment
that was like, wait a sec, like why are we
tearing women apart for actually giving their kids good nutritious
You know, I actually one hundred percent agree, because sometimes
you see these lunchboxes and it's like pack ten tons
of tiny teddies and everything's processed and whatever. And I
(34:23):
understand that kids needs treats, but why is it that
we're so critical when other people go the other way
and they try and be helped.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
It is because of this is the word motor boating.
This absolute like motor boating of it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's like old pretentiousness.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, look at my perfect lunch box that I've spent
all of this money and time doing, Like a lot
of mums are time poor. And the thing that people
don't like is the broadcasting about on social media because
it turns into mum shaming because it's sort of like, well,
you're a shit mum if you have a plastic bottle
for your kids and it goes too far. I do
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understand that, but I think some tis there should be
more education around. For example, it's probably not a good
thing to give your kids so much food containing sugar
for their lunch.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sugar the walls.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
This isn't about sugar though, This is about shaming and
putting pressure on mums who are also probably trying their
best and probably don't have enough money to buy a
plastic bottle every couple of days and then dispose of
it with no care for the environment. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I do want to have the resources to live.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
This sul I'm saying is I'm all for education online
about nutrition, and I think that sometimes there does need
to be better education for parents and also children about
what they're putting in their bodies.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Well, Amy, there might be an account for you to
follow a nearly renamed mum and mea at home. I'm
not interested in that account.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Do we need another Pete Evans like he sort of
just disappeared? Do we need to just just has someone
that's a bit less extreme about it?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And I would definitely follow them. Well, I'm all for
the chaotic mums.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I would rather see a chaotic mum who's trying her
best and he's perhaps throwing some shapes or some tiny
teddies in with an It's all about balance. That's what
people don't seem to get. Yeah, well, I think that's
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We pay respect to elders past and present,
Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
on today's show, Tammy Hembro and Matt Zakowski dramatically unfollow
each other. Days out from their joint Hucks party, Steph
Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be sharing
her son's face online and mia Plastic's very puzzling business move.
(00:26):
But first, Sophie, there's been another twist in the Crumble
cookie drama.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, this story is getting interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
As a quick refresher, last week there was a pop
up event in North Bonda and there was a it
was he a teenager, a young kid who looked like
they were from a private school, not the stereotype, who
held an event pretending to be the cookie brand.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Allegedly, they were.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Selling these cookies for seventeen dollars fifty of pop and
from all accounts, they were quite stale. Because this schoolboy
had flown to Hawaii, he'd bought seven hundred cookies.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
And he decided to sell them off. A lot of
people are saying he's quite.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Entrepreneurial, but it hasn't really been great for him because
the backlash has been pretty intense. But who it has
been good for is the real Crumbles. So they released
a statement saying they will accelerate their plans to bring
the brand to Australia following the controversy.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah so. In this official.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Statement, the Crumble team said it has been amazed by
the support of fans in Australia over recent weeks and
as a result, they've been inspired to bring their cookies
to Australia so us Ozzie's can actually have a true
Crumble experience. I mean, if this isn't perfect pr last
week we spoke about whether this was a good or
bad thing for the company. Obviously it's been a positive
(01:40):
because they've been able to see how many Australians are
so desperate for these cookies. But also it's interesting that
they preface that they want customers to have the true experience,
because then again, all of these people who purchased the
fake cookies for seventeen fifty and had a bad experience,
they want to turn that experience around. I love the
fact that so many TikTokers are creating their own version
(02:01):
of the Crumble cookie so Michael Finch recently did his
own recipe for it is definitely generated a lot of
attention for this brand. Yeah, and Crumble have also released
an official Australian Instagram account. So previously the pop up
went under the name of Crumble Sydney. Crumble have taken
Crumble Australia and they've released this reel and in the
(02:21):
real it starts off by showing all of the news
coverage that the pop up event got and then it
says the real Crumble is coming soon. But my favorite
part of it is that they have this graphic and
in the graphic there's a little koala holding a Crumble.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Cookie, which I just thought was so cute. Plot twist.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
This has been a stunt by the company all along,
and they've paid this boy to go into weak. We
spoke about one of the organizers before, and the Daily
Mail did this huge expose where they named this Sydney
schoolboy as being the boy behind this pop up and
they even featured a photo of his mum outside her
four million dollar BELvue Hills mansion. But suddenly three days
(02:58):
later the photo of the mother was removed. The boy's
name has been removed. They still reference him as a
year ten student from a.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Prestigious Sydney school.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But I'm assuming that the family have called in the lawyers.
But they're probably so pleased now because this statement from
Crumble has taken the heat off this kid, because now
it seems like he should be being praised for getting
the cookie giant down under.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How long will we love each other?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
For?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Always and forever?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's been a big week for fitness influencer Tammy Hembro
and her fiance Matt Sakowski. The couple created headlines for
dramatically unfollowing each other on Instagram days out from their
lavish joint Hucks party. I first was alerted to this
when a listener in our Facebook group asked if Tammy's
profile was down, and listeners began replying that they also
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couldn't see her account.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Because originally, when I had.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
A look, I thought, oh, maybe she's blocked us, because
we have been covering quite a lot about her relationship
with Matt. But it appeared to be done for everyone,
and it looked as though she had temporarily deactivated her account,
because within an hour it was back up again, but
she was following one less person and that was of
course her fiance Matt. And interestingly, Matt was also not
(04:14):
following Tammy, which got a lot of people talking.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But that can also happen if you block someone.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh, she had clearly blocked him, because if he blocked someone,
it removes that person from all of your photo tags.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yes, suddenly his name was not appearing, so it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Looked like she blocked him, then deactivated her account, and
then brought it back at It was interesting timing because
Matt had been in Melbourne and he only just returned
to the Gold Coast when all of this blocking went on. Yeah,
and it was really odd because he jetted back into
the Gold Coast with his sister Emma, and he was
still posting on his Instagram story. So he was out
(04:49):
at this marketplace which he would never normally post about,
and it looked really wholesome. It was this cute little
nighttime market and presumably his was there for the couple's
joint Hucks party, which was supposed to be happening that weekend.
And what is most interesting about this is that Matt's
sister Emma also unfollowed Tammy, and I wondered whether this
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was a tactic to make it look like Tammy had
done something wrong. Yeah, and it was all very odd
because it's not as if Tammy's sisters unfollowed Matt, and
they recently did that interview on Matt's podcast where they
lay the boot in and said he was immature and
all this kind of stuff. So I thought they'd be
the first one follow Maybe they thought, oh, this is
all going to blow over by the weekend.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's already awkward between us.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I may be reading far too much into this, but
in one of the Instagram stories that Matt posted at
this market, he shared a picture of a stall the
specifically sold Dashound merchandise, and he captured the photo what
a cute dashy store. This just seems like a really
odd thing to share about when you're having a fight
with your fiance And instantly the Dashound rung a bell
(06:00):
for me and I realized that his ex girlfriend Jen,
and she's the one whose name he recently was getting
removed from his ass she owns a Dashound.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's because Matt had a tattoo of her name. Yes
is what it pointed.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, so his ex girlfriend owns a Dashound who Matt
used to live with and was obsessed with so the
dashhound is called Mucci and Matt was always posting about
it on his TikTok before they broke up. Wait a sex,
So do you think this fight could have been sparked
by the tattoo removal because everyone was talking about it.
He'd recently shared this collaboration with this particular numbing cream.
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She was obviously a hot topic at that time.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Possibly.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I mean, I also think that maybe the sisters, you know,
the pop sharing their two cents about him didn't help.
But yeah, I just thought this must be a subtle
reference to the old days with his partner, Like, was
this some sort of dig it Tammy?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I feel like you're reading a.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Bit too much into it, But the fact that the
sister was also at this market is also very old.
Why I share about like if your ex live with
Like just say your ex had a dog with his
partner and it was like this dog that he loved,
why would you post about it? It's like you're almost
trying to get your ex to message you or something.
Unless he was like, oh fuck, I need to share
(07:16):
something on my Instagram because I want to see if
Tammy or whatever burner accounts or whenever Business Accounts has
a look at it to see if she can I've
just got to share something, but he'd already shared numerous
roaders at this market. Isn't the most awkward thing, though,
having to refollow somebody that you have unfollowed. Yeah, I
mean I've done that before with you guys, when I
unfollow you in like a blind rage. And I've stopped
(07:38):
doing it because I know it sounds lame, but it
always pops up like, oh, you be friends with this
person for fifteen years in Facebook stuff. Yeah, on Facebook
is embarrassing when it's like you be friends with this
person for a year and you're like, oh, I was
really intrigued though, to find out more about Matt's relationship
with Jen, Like, you have told me not to describe
her like this, but she's a normal girlfriend, so she
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has no reality TV ties at all, because I just
think it's an offensive term. Someone's enormy.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's not offensive. It's a fucking pop. It's just a
normal girl anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So Matt is known for dating celebrity, so he previously
dated Kira Maguire from the Bachelor, and he I don't
know if this is true or if this is just
a rumor, but it sounds like he said that he
dated her for followers. There was a lot of press
around the time that they broke up, and so who
knows how true it was. It was probably sources said
Matt only dated her for attention, so Genevieve, she didn't
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really fit the type of who he normally would date
as well.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
She's brunette, not famous.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They started dating in twenty twenty one and their relationship
was really on again, off again from all reports, and
he made twenty twenty three, Matt announced on his podcast
that they broke up. Now, I want to get our
timeline up here, because that is four months before he
started dating Tammy Hembro.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And when he announced.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The breakup, he said that they were still very much
in contact, and he didn't reveal the exact reason, but
we could all read between the lines because he said,
I crossed boundaries that I shouldn't have. I disrespected her
in ways that look I'm not proud of now. Immediately
I thought this sounded like cheating, but he followed up
by saying, it sounds like I cheated on her.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Nothing like that happened. It was nothing like that. I
was more in a way. I wasn't loyal in situations
I should have been.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I definitely lost my way and was brought into cultures
that are a younger version of me, and I should
have just been more true to who I am now
and not done that stuff. Obviously, it was too much
for both of us, mostly her, and she broke up
with that. Sounds like he has either gone to strip
clubs with his friends. He's either maybe drunk too.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Much, may be drinking or drugs.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I mean, well, we don't want to point fingers, but
even the fact that last week on his podcast he
said to his podcast hosts Anna mcavoyd that you know
that he didn't want to invite her to his Bucks
party because of his friends, and how Anna didn't get
along with it, like I don't know if he's been
cult and he acted as if she didn't like the
vibe around them. He became they sound like sort of
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those meat heead, sort of guys that you'd meet at
a festival. I mean, I've never seen I haven't really
seen photos of them, but I wouldn't be surprised the
fact that he said he didn't cheat, but he'd cross boundaries.
I reckon strip club maybe. What is also quite interesting
is that after the breakup with Jen, Matt was forced
to move back in with his mum, but he was
only there for four months because it took him four
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months to then shack up with Tammy hembro on the gold.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Goes to be fair. Melbourne rent is very expensive. Yes,
it is very expensive, but the timing says a bit doesn't. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, Matt and Tammy ended up following each other again
the next day, but it's not the first time they
have unfollowed each other. So back in April they unfollowed
one another briefly, and that was following the infamous Grand
Prix DM fiasco. It's clear that Tammy and Matt's followers
want to know what led to this most recent unfollowing,
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so one person wrote under one of Matt's posts, why
have you and Tammy unfollowed each other on Instagram? Looks
as though she has deleted a lot of photos with
you as well.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Now Matt, of course did not reply.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
One listener weighed in our Facebook community, saying, definitely something
fishy going on. You should not be marrying someone if
you were finding yourself unfollowing them. Post arguments and then
adding them after again. That would be a big red
flag for me. There is no easy or quick divorce.
I've got to say, like, I have never unfollowed Dale
off Instagram, and I can't even imagine unfollowing him in.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
The lead up to our wedding.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Particularly if you are a public figure and people on
a daily basis are keeping track of who you're following
and unfollowing, you're clearly trying to send.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
A message there. Yeah, it's just bizarre behavior.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Another follower, which I tend to agree with, said Matt
is a boy, not yet a man. I feel like
there must have been a lot of pressure on them
to reconcile after this fight, particularly when the Hen's Party
in Bucks Party was only a few days away. I mean,
Matt had people flying in from Melbourne. I'm sure there's
been a lot of money poured into the Hen's Party.
It looked like a very lavish event. They had caterer's
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event planners.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Also, there seemed to.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Be a lot of partnership deals riding on this Hen's
Party and Bucks Party going ahead, so financially and also
from a business perspective, it would have been bad to
pull the pin well this party did end up eventuating
and Tammy looked incredible. So she was really vibing Marilyn Munroe,
particularly with her hair. So she wore a white mini
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dress from Sydney designer Aston Bridle, and I saw their
TikTok account and they were so excited to give her
this dress. Yeah. Well it had a corsett top and
this little puffy skirt with these draping bows at the front.
It appeared like this was a partnership deal because she
kept tagging them in the posts, and then she also
provided them with photos and videos for them to share
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on their own social media accounts. Now, Tammy's bridesmaids did
an amazing job. They organized this beautiful long lunch at
a very fancy house on the gold Coat.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I wondered if it was Tammy's house, it looked a
lot like hers. No, it wouldn't have been her house.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It was a different house that they'd hired out and
they had an event company called Next Event. It was
very esthetic looking, and as I said earlier, there were
just so many sponsorship dealers going on. So they had
in the roundhouse who appeared to supply all of the crockery,
and they.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Also had two chefs there.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
They were cooking up the long lunch in the kitchen,
and Tammy tagged them as well, just to point out there,
because we've got so many influences who contact us and
they're like, no, I was just being nice and tagging them.
So in Tammy's defense, she may have just tagged them
because they were doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think we don't know. I think she paid for
hair and makeup.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think often people just tag hair and makeup because
they build a connection with them and a bit of
a friendship whilst they're doing it. But I don't think
that she's just tagging a caterer willy nilly. One of
the cool details I liked from The Bridesmaids was that
they created a cocktail list which was named after Tammy's
hall passes. And I don't know if I rate some
of these hall passes, Like there's Keanu Reeves, Patrick Dempsey,
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Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I didn't even know who John Kransky is. Is that
why you say his name?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I had to google them as well.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
They're on the older side, But I feel like Keanu
Reeves is maybe one of her old school hall passes.
He seemed to be quite popular, you know, back in
the day. Now, Anna McAvoy didn't make a surprise appearance.
It looked like it was a very intimate group of girls.
I was surprised to see Lily Brown there, though I
didn't realize they were so close. I know that she
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attended their New Year's party, but I wouldn't have had
her on my list of people I expected to see their,
particularly because Anna didn't get an invite.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, well, I'm assuming Anna didn't go to Matt's things.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
No, No, there was only one photo that Matt posted
the next day of what looked like to be a
bit of a piss up, and the friends were just
what you would expect, and he was wearing a convict.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Outfit like on his podcast he said that.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He wanted to wear like a western outfit. But it's
clear that his friends really didn't organize anything. So I'm
guessing that the convict is the old life. Oh, the
old ball and chain.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
She's lost.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah down, His groomsmen might have organized his costume for him,
like they obviously always stitch.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Up the groom. I enjoyed all of the social media
content that came up.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Because there was one video which Tammy shared and she
was up on a chair dancing to Shania Twain and
she legitimately looked like she was having a really good time.
That's really as rowdy as it got, and it seemed
like the whole joint Hucks party was a bit of
an afterthought. It seemed like they were all very intoxicated
when they got there, because after the lunch, Tammy then
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moved on to the Star Gold Coast and they'd set
up this beautiful room with her.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Again.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I think this was also another sponsorship deal, because she
was tagging them and they had this huge suite and
her bridesmaids had set up all these white balloons and
they had these cute photos of Tammy and Matt's faces.
But it just seemed like you know when you know,
when you're day drinking and it's just gone on for
too long and everyone's getting really messy, Like I just
kind of got those vibes.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And Emily actually left the party.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Really so she stayed for the lunch and then she
basically said that she had escaped the hens to join
her husband at dinner. I'm guessing they're probably debriefing about
the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, Well, that doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, the Daily Mail have been trying to paint
the event of some big flop, because they put up
a whole load of paparazzi shots and Tammy appeared to
be crying in the photos when she met up with Matt.
But I don't buy it because there were so many
different photos in different articles that they shared, and in
one she's kissing him and smiling, and in the next.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
She looks like she's teary.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
To be honest, I think she was touching her fake eyelashes.
That's all I think it was. I thought it looked
like he had given her a bracelet and she was like,
oh my god, thank you so much, like she'd probably
been drunk, so it was a bit teary at the
sight of seeing her fiance. Well, the Daily Mail went
as far as quoting an anonymous insider who said that
Tammy was visibly upset and Matt was trying to comfort her,
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but it was clear that she didn't want his affection
and turned her back on him.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Was the source of the photographer, Yeah, exactly. Well.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
They then also claimed that another insider said that the
whole blow up and the unfollowing fiasco was down to
Tammy bringing up a prenup. Look, it's a really hard
one because no one actually knows what's going on in
their lives. But that's why they need to be really
careful about the way that they talk about the relationship
online and also all of this unfollowing business because people read.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So much into it.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And I know they've been sharing a few tiktoks where
they've reacted to some of the media coverages if they
don't care, but unfortunately they're bringing it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
On a lot themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Another thing the Daily Mail did that I thought was
really gross is that they captured photos of Tammy entering
her hens lunch and they basically upskirted her. So she
was walking up this little staircase to enter the house
and they snapped in an upwards direction so you could
literally see the outline of her bum and I just
thought it was foul, because you know, she's got this
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beautiful dress on. She is potentially unaware that presumably these
men are taking these photos of her, and then they
just post them as if it's nothing. It's just it's
really tacky and gross and just objectifying her.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And I think this is.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Also why Tammy felt the need to upload photos and
Instagram stories on the day of the Hens because she
probably wanted to get in first. Now the day after
the Hens, she also uploaded a carousel and as the caption,
she wrote, just call me missus Zakowski, and that seemed
to elicit a really strong response from followers.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
One wrote, please do a prenup.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You may not want to listen to anyone, but it
covers your babies and you worked hard for what you
have before anyone came along, whilst another said Tammy Zakowski
doesn't hit now. Tammy ended up replying to that comment
and said does for me with a drooling face.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Do you actually think she's going to change her name?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
She is so When she appeared on Matt's podcast at
the start of the year, she said that legally she'll
be changing her name to Tammy Zakowski, but it sounds
like for social media stuff she'll keep at Hembro.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Because it's too can using.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Just a decision Josh and.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I made Hinnis mogul.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Steph Claire Smith has revealed she will no longer be
sharing her son Harvey's face online. The three year old
has been a fixture on both Steph and her husband
Josh's social media channels.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Steph opened up about the decision in a question and answer.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Here's what she said.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
And this has just been because he's gotten to an
age now where he's he's a little boy, he's quite recognizable,
and we've had and people have obviously absolutely meant well,
but people who have recognized me or recognized Harvey have
kind of gone up to him and said Hi Harvey.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I just started to think.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
About how uncomfortable I felt with like, especially when there
was times when I wasn't with him or Josh and
I weren't with him and he was out with like
I don't know, a nanny or a family member, or
even at daycare and someone would go up to him
and say, Hi, Harvey. I feel like for a kid,
that would just be so confusing. If strangers coming up
to you and knowing your.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Name, that would be really unsettling to have people coming
up to your child, particularly when you're.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Not there, Like, what a weird situation to be.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I mean, I'm sure that people had the right intentions,
but I don't think I'd ever walk up to a
child who I'd seen on social media and just try
and talk to I actually remember we were shooting a
video at a childcare center and there was an Adelaide
influencer's child there and I recognized the kid instantly.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
But there's no way I would have acknowledged it and
spoken to him.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's weird and it'd be so confusing, and it would
give them this really strange view of the world, because
then do they just assume that everyone knows who they
are now. Steph continued saying that the situation also made
it difficult to teach him about stranger danger and who
he can trust. And it would be like, how can
you say, oh, don't worry. The people that come up
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to you are nice, yeah, but also also potentially dangerous.
But if someone came up to him and said, hey, Harvey,
your mum has asked me to come and pick you up,
the kid would be like, oh, okay, I'll just go
with you. It really does show that by sharing a
kid online that they are just so easily recognizable, especially
when you've.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Got millions and millions of followers.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, Steph is one of the I think the
most well known Australian influence.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I think she's a celebrity as well, that she's a famous.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Model, and it also really shows this strange parasocial relationship
you can build with a child. I mean, we've literally
heard about Steph's pregnancies, We've heard her birth story, We've
seen photos of him brought home from the hospital, We've
heard about his tantrums, like we have had a fly
on the wall look into this little kid's life, which
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actually sounds so weird when you say it out loud. Well,
and also, Harvey's been a big part of her husband,
Josh's social media content because on his TikTok, he was
sharing a lot of videos of his son sitting down
while he made a coffee. Well, a lot of them
are paid partnerships as well, which I totally understand because
Josh is the full time stay at home dad, so
obviously he's wanting to work out a way that he
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can make money whilst raising Harvey. And I think what
has really added to this parasocial relationship with his family
is the fact that Steph often opens up about her
struggles as a mum.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
And I think the reason she does this.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Is because you know, she's a model, she's starting, she's
got abs, she's got this five million Dollar House. So
she's trying to find some relatability by talking about her
struggles as a mum. But is it her trying to
find relatability or is it her just actually sharing about
her life organically and these things have.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Popped up and she wants to talk about them.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I don't think she's that, you know, strategic. I don't
think there's anything wrong with being strategic. I'm just more
saying that I think that Kick have tried to build
this platform on relatability, and it would be really hard
when maybe your life isn't that relatable.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
And I think that she is.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Trying to create a community of mums and also that's
her new life now, so that's also why she's sharing
about it.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
We do you think she's going to have an issue though?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Because she has been sharing his face and about him
for such a long time now, I would argue he's
going to be wreckingognizable for a good number of years,
and especially like even I've seen for example, Leyton Hewitt
and Beck Hewitt's child Mia, she was photographed all the
time at the OZ Open and now they're even following
her around as an eighteen year old.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It seems to be obsessed with her.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's so weird because it's not as if she's in
the public eye.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
For her career or anything.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
They literally waited until she turned eighteen and then have
all these grow shots of her at the beach.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It is awful.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's because she looks nothing like Layton and Beck and
she's like, look, she kind of does.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's because she's.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Out partying as well. She's always smoking and stuff like
that us.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Most eighteen year olds are.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But getting back to this, I think because she's made
a lot of headlines by talking about him, because you know,
we spoke about it last year where she said flippantly,
oh my toddler can be a total psycho, and that
made a headline and a lot of mums related to
it and said that they actually.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Felt very heard.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And then recently she generated quite a big response by
taking her son to the gym with her, and we
spoke about that as well, and many mums sided with
her and said that.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
They should be allowed to go to the gym. And
it's really difficult for mums.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
So it's really hard because it has become part of
her brand. So I wonder whether she will not be
sharing his face but still be talking about him. Yeah,
And it seems like Steph is also thinking ahead to
when Harvey goes to school, which isn't that far away,
because she said that she's concerned that her being so
open about him could affect him in the school yard.
Here's what she said, He's also coming close to that
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school age, so like kids talk and.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
They chat, and.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I know that with my profile, like the likelihood of
people bringing up to like coming up to him in
school or whatever and saying like your mom does this
or whatever, that's like one thing that I know, well,
depending on where I'll be in couple of years, that
he might have to deal with, let alone like him
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being all over my page as well and then having
access to that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I wonder if this is in reference to some of
the intimate topics that she and her co host Laura
Henshaw share on their podcast, because they've been promoting their
podcast with a lot of viral clips and a lot
of the time it is about their sex life, and
it's proving to be a very successful strategy for them.
They're getting a lot of clicks, a lot of views.
I mean, personally, it makes me want to tune in to.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Hear about it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Everyone wants to jucy detail they recently well I think
it was last year that they spoke about that sex
challenge that she and Josh did, and I was hooked.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I was like, oh my god, this is so juicy.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well it must be so weird as well, when you
have kids and they start off being so young and
not understanding anything, and then the realization that wait a second,
they're going to grow up and they're going to be
able to Google you and they're going to hear your parents,
oh that they had a sex challenge five. I would
not want to hear about that at all.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
No child should have to read. But could you imagine
in the school yard.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean this, a lot of this information could be
used a spot it against a kid. I mean hopefully
not at five, no, but I mean kids they have
access to social media.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It is wild stuff that comes out of young kid's mouth.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Like our mum's a teacher and she can't believe some
of the stuff that these young kids know. Do you
think stuff's going to go back and archive old photos
of him or is it just moving forward?
Speaker 1 (26:12):
She's not going to show him anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I reckon, it'll just be a moving forward thing. I've
noticed on a social media she'll still share photos of him,
but his face will be more concealed, like he'll be
turning his head or she'll have riding over the top
of it. I think it is a positive that they've
made this decision. It's really responsible to shut it down
now because they're almost having to say, look, we made
a mistake by sharing too much, which is really commendable
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to put your hands up and say you've probably done
the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
And I just think ultimately it's really.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Sad that people have to be so careful, but it
is just the reality of social media.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Hey guys, it's been a hot minute since I've been
on TikTok, but I'm relaunching myself.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Controversial slickstick owner Mia Plastic has made a very odd
business move launching a new mother during Instagram account. We'd
wait for it, Sophie, the same name as Australia's biggest
women's media publication.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, this is just wild.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
So Mia launched this account on Friday and called it
Mama Miya at Home, which of course is the same
name as Mia Friedman's media company, Mama Mia, which has
been in business for seventeen years. Now, the bio of
the account read busy working mama with a passion for
her baby's health and well being, followed for recipe hacks
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and tips.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Now, surely Maya is aware of Mama Mia.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Like you'd have to be living under a rock to
not have heard of this women's media publication. It's a
hugely successful news website and also a podcast network.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I don't really think that you can claim, oh, Sorr,
I haven't heard of them.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I just don't get it, because she surely knows
about them, So she's just made this decision anyway, I mean,
why would you even want to have.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
The same hand or as Mama Maya. It's so confusing.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I mean, at this stage it is just an Instagram account,
but she is a serial entrepreneur, and it is clear
that she'll be eventually looking to monetize it and grow it.
And I really feel like these days Instagram and mother accounts,
they are really the modern day equivalent of blog sites,
and that is fundamentally what Muma Mia started off as,
and then they turned into a larger media company.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
But regardless of if.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
She turns it into a company, why would she want
to have the same name as the biggest women's media
publication of the country.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I mean, is she that fucking unaware?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's pretty brazen, considering she has a history of sending
out cease and desist letters to anyone who sells a
similar product to her or a business she doesn't agree with.
I actually don't think she's unaware of Muma Mia. I
think that she is being strategic because.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
How let's me explain it to you.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
She has received so much bad publicity over the years
that a source has told me that she and her husband,
Justin have allegedly invested a lot of money in SEO
so that when businesses search for them, all the.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Negative shit doesn't come up.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
So if she takes on a name that is already popular,
like Mama Mia, people are going to be searching for
Mamma Mia at home instead of mea Plassic, and none
of the negative shit's gonna come up. And also, Mamma
mer is already a term that has a lot of
traction with it. It's interesting because I just did a
search of Mia plastic and there's only positive articles which
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have shown up so far, So the SEO team are
clearly doing their job. I really feel for Mia Friedman
and Mama Mea because I would not want anyone to
think that my brand is affiliated with hers, and I
don't necessarily think at this stage that it's a breach
of trademark laws because it is just an Instagram account,
but it definitely generates a lot of confusion, and if
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she has plans to grow this account, it could turn
into a business that will then make it an issue.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, it seems like Muma and MIA's lawyers must have gone.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
To it pretty quickly, because when I checked on Friday,
the account was already down. They definitely got on to
it quit considering it was a public holiday. It's very
clear from this move that Mia wants to enter the
mummy blogging space.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
And she's already been sharing.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
A lot of her very strong views about food and
the uses of plastic on her main account, and she
is strongly against manufactured baby food and she makes all of.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Her own organic homemade.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Song that's the next thing, that's the next visitess she's
going to have a baby food brand.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, well that's a very good point.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, because she wanks on about all of this organic
food and before announcing her new venture on Friday, she
shared that she was cooking up bone broth for her
son as well as organic chicken liver, and she shared
this whole rant about plastic. So she said that she
is highly against plastics for her son, and she said
that microplastics are a huge problem that isn't taken seriously enough.
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She continued saying that everything of her son's is either glass,
silicon or stainless steel. Now this is despite the fact
that the previous Instagram story showed his vegetables were stored
in plastic ziplock bags, and she said, oh no, no,
but my jars are arriving tomorrow now. She also revealed
that she'd purchased a stainless steel sippy cup to replace
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the plastic one that she'd been using on her European vacation,
as that's all she could find there. She prefaced by
saying that she bought him a new plastic bottle every
few days and throughout the old ones because she was
so afraid of the microplastics breaking down in the water.
Doesn't that sound great for the environment? Why does sisters
remind me of those tiktoks which show people in two
(31:34):
thousand and five as teenagers and they're drinking like Red
Bull and eating Cheetos and they're now in their thirties,
like everything must be orgaddick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
She also said that she'd thrown out all of her
non stick pans, that she only uses stainless steel ones.
She's thrown out her plastic utensils and bottles like it
is giving very much vibes of being a.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
First time mum.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I think she's gone down one of those TikTok holes.
I often get stuck in those where everything like you
can think of.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Your house is apparently toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And she's even throwing out his soft toys, which hurts
my heart. So she's learned that polyester is plastic, so
that'll be the next to go, and his only toys
is are silicon or wood. Wait a second, isn't her
whole slick stick products made out of plastic exactly now?
In this post, she continued saying, I'm so passionate about
my little man's health. He has never drank tap water,
(32:23):
only filtered I don't even know what this is, canngan
or spring water. He's never eaten anything other than food.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I've cooked him all my breast milk.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
All the ingredients are certified organic his nappies are all
natural cotton with no dyes.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I only use natural.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Water wipes that are bio degradable. Does she think that
that makes up for the tens of baby plastic baby
bottles that she throw out during her weeks in Europe?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Like, oh thank god?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
There By, I don't want to judge her, because I
have this fear that I am going to turn into
an earth Mother when I have children.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
There's something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
There's something about it that I think people's minds flick
over and they go, I need to protect this baby
at all accounts.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
The only thing I find funny.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
About it is that regardless of how much you shelter
your child from having plastics or whatever she's doing, one
day they're going to turn into a teenager who goes
to McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Like, it's just the reality. I agree to some extent.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I think that it's quite noble to find out what
you're feeding your kids, and everyone has the choice of
what products and things that they feel comfortable with. I
just feel like, knowing her and her background, it all
sounds really extreme and almost conspiracy theory esque, particularly as
she's a known anti vaxxer. She's much an anti lockdown protest,
(33:37):
and she was trying to get a black market doctor
to give her a COVID passport.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
That's how extreme she gets.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And I sort of feel like saying, well, you're saying
you care so much about your son's health, you haven't
even gotten fucking vaccinated. Well on that issue, I do
find it irritating when I see some mums copying online though,
when they do pack their kid a healthy lunchbox, because
who cops it for packing the cat sat Day is
actually one of them. I saw a recent TikTok and
she was showing all these healthy things that she's packed
(34:03):
Fox for his lunch, and so many people were like
tearing out a shreds, And then I saw one comment
that was like, wait a sec, like why are we
tearing women apart for actually giving their kids good nutritious
You know, I actually one hundred percent agree, because sometimes
you see these lunchboxes and it's like pack ten tons
of tiny teddies and everything's processed and whatever. And I
(34:23):
understand that kids needs treats, but why is it that
we're so critical when other people go the other way
and they try and be helped.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
It is because of this is the word motor boating.
This absolute like motor boating of it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's like old pretentiousness.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, look at my perfect lunch box that I've spent
all of this money and time doing, Like a lot
of mums are time poor. And the thing that people
don't like is the broadcasting about on social media because
it turns into mum shaming because it's sort of like, well,
you're a shit mum if you have a plastic bottle
for your kids and it goes too far. I do
(34:58):
understand that, but I think some tis there should be
more education around. For example, it's probably not a good
thing to give your kids so much food containing sugar
for their lunch.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sugar the walls.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
This isn't about sugar though, This is about shaming and
putting pressure on mums who are also probably trying their
best and probably don't have enough money to buy a
plastic bottle every couple of days and then dispose of
it with no care for the environment. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I do want to have the resources to live.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
This sul I'm saying is I'm all for education online
about nutrition, and I think that sometimes there does need
to be better education for parents and also children about
what they're putting in their bodies.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Well, Amy, there might be an account for you to
follow a nearly renamed mum and mea at home. I'm
not interested in that account.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Do we need another Pete Evans like he sort of
just disappeared? Do we need to just just has someone
that's a bit less extreme about it?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And I would definitely follow them. Well, I'm all for
the chaotic mums.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I would rather see a chaotic mum who's trying her
best and he's perhaps throwing some shapes or some tiny
teddies in with an It's all about balance. That's what
people don't seem to get. Yeah, well, I think that's
all we've got time for today. Thank you so much
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