August 20, 2024 • 37 mins
Author Kate Forster says she’s been inundated with prank calls and online abuse since creating a TikTok video calling out the viral Henne cardigan. The 53-year-old questioned why young people all want to look the same by wearing the cult cardigan created by fashion influencer Nadia Bartel.
A shop-fitting company run by Skye Wheatley’s partner, Lachy Waugh, has gone into external administration after reportedly being unable to pay its debts.
Perth Influencer, Em Davies has announced the birth of her first child and surprisingly, this is an influencer baby we approve of.
And the latest on the Molly-Mae and Tommy Fury breakup.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, the blow
up over the viral Henny Cardigan, Sky Wheatley's partner's business
goes into external administration, and m Davies touching baby news.
(00:24):
But first, Sophie, you're still reeling from Molly May and
Tommy Fury's breakup news. As the official Outspoken correspondent, can
you tell us the latest yet? Well, we haven't heard
any confirmation yet from Molly May. She has remained silent
on this topic, but that hasn't stopped the rumor meal
from going into absolute overdrive. We are swimming in a
lot of rumors on the internet at the moment. The
(00:45):
one gaining the most traction is the rumor that Tommy
cheated on Molly during an alcohol field lad's holiday to
North Macedonia with a Danish girl. Well, this was actually
printed in the Sun. Yeah. According to the Sun, Tommy
was seen kissing a blonde woman in a nightclub during
what they described as a two am vodka binge. Now,
this was reportedly just days before Molly May announced their
(01:08):
split on Instagram. A source who claims to have witnessed
the kiss told the son he was down in gray
Goose vodka and didn't seem to care who saw him
with the girl he kissed her. This will be heartbreaking
for Molly May. There was also a quote that interested
me from Molly's so called friend, and the friend, of
course isn't named in this article, but I would not
(01:29):
be surprised if her manager, Fran was briefing the press.
So the friend was quoted in the newspapers saying Molly
was told he had cheated on her with a Danish
woman he'd met while he was away in Macedonia. She
didn't want to believe it was true. When she confronted
him and asked him if he had cheated on her,
Tommy didn't deny it. It told Molly May all she
(01:50):
needed to know, and she ended it. He's moved out
of the house and she's absolutely reeling from it all.
Tommy's management team have also been working hard in the
background trying to shoot down some of them rumors. They
released a statement saying that he has been left horrified
by the false rumors and he's also consulting currently with
his lawyers because of these rumors that are being circulated
by the meeting. It's pretty bold of his team to
(02:12):
come out and label these allegations as false, because surely
there is a woman waiting in the wings, just getting
ready to tell her story. Yeah, but when they're talking
about false rumors, I think what they're referring to other
rumors that we touched on on Friday's episode, and that
was in relation to a TikTok rumor that Tommy had
impregnated a boxing coach's daughter. Oh yeah, Now that gained
(02:35):
a lot of momentum online and people were harassing the woman,
leaving comments saying, tell us that this isn't Tommy Fury's child,
and her dad had to come out and say, I
couldn't believe what we woke up to. She has a
lovely partner. Here's a photo of them together. So I
think that his team is saying, look, this rumor is
not true. It's been proven to be und true. So
(02:56):
you've got to be really careful about what you're going
to post in the future. Yeah, you need to get
your source is not from TikTok. Makes right, I met
that could be a good start.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
The paparazzi have been camped outside Molly's house for days now,
which would just be so incredibly tough when you're going
through a breakup. That being said, I was very interested
to see who were her support people in that moment
because we do know that her sister is currently away
on her honeymoon. And it was so cute because her
dad rocked up with a bunch of flowers and he
(03:24):
has also unfollowed Tommy on Instagram, which sends a strong
message from her manager was also there as well as
a handful of her other friends and everyone has been
waiting to catch the first glimpse of Molly since the breakup,
where everyone wants to see if she's doing okay. Yeah,
and it didn't disappoint because the paparazzi snapped Molly and
her friends in the car at the McDonald's drive through.
(03:46):
Can she be any more relatable? That's the first thing
that anyone does when they're going through a breakup. They've
got to get in the car with their friends, put
on breakup music and get McDonald's like it is the
best therapy. I would have loved to know what was
on their playlist and what they were discussing. You want
to know what they ordered? What about the person who's
serving Molly bay though? How awkward? Like tell me everything now.
(04:08):
The paparazzi also snapped photos of Tommy returning home Briefly.
He was only there for forty minutes on Friday, but
it's believed it's the first time Tommy and Molly have
seen each other since they're split, and everyone is talking
about what is going to happen to their beautiful six
bedroom mansion. So interestingly, there are reports that, according to
(04:29):
the land registry papers, this house, which was bought for
three point eight pounds in twenty twenty two, was solely
purchased in Molly's name, So this means that Tommy is
unlikely to have any financial stake in this property. I
am so happy to hear that because you can just
tell what a safe haven that home is for Molly.
It has her written all over, it is her interior design,
(04:51):
so I'm glad it looks like she'll get to keep
that in the split. I'm wondering how that works, because
if you're a de facto's in Australia, regardless of if
your name is on the paperwork, you still have some
claim to the property. I don't know if the rules
are different in the UK, but I'm hoping that Molly's
able to keep the house. Now for those who are
hoping that maybe Tommy and Molly might be able to
work through their issues, is looking more and more unlikely
(05:14):
because a large skip has been seen outside the mansion
with a suitcase poking out the top of it, and
many think that this skip is slowly going to be
filled with Tommy's belongings and that suitcase is his. If
a picture doesn't paint a thousand words, I think that
she wants the paparazzi to see him having to fish
that suitcase out of the skip, because that would be
(05:34):
absolutely iconic. It just sends the strong message that he
has done something and we're all waiting to unpack what
that is. He needs to be put in the bin,
doesn't he Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Author Kate Forster says she's been inundated with prank calls
and online abuse since creating a TikTok video calling out
the viral Henny Cardigan. The fifty three year old questioned,
young people all want to look the same by wearing
the cult cardigan created by fashion influencer Nardier Bartel. So
this cardigan has been all over my for you page.
(06:10):
It is everywhere. Every time I go on TikTok, I'm
seeing a fashion influencer either reviewing this cardigan or showing
how to style it. Now, the cardigan is called Selene,
and what makes it stand out is the fact that
it's fluffy. So it's made from our packer blend and
it comes in a range of different colors. It currently
retails for two hundred and twenty nine dollars, which is
(06:33):
quite expensive for a cardigan. I mean it is pricey.
I don't own the viral Henny cardigan, and I want
to put it out there. Please no one come after me.
But I know that this is one item of clothing
that my husband would pay me out for wearing. So
it's more of like girls get this kind of fashion. Yeah, definitely,
this is something that I don't think guys would get.
And for the purpose of this podcast, I ask my husband,
(06:56):
what is your take on this cardigan? And he said
that he thinks I would look like a little kiwi
fruit wearing it, which isn't actually that bad, Like, that's
kind of cute, a little kiwi fruit with fur on it.
I actually think it's quite a cute way to describe it.
But I pushed him even further and he said that
it kind of looked like the designer got a glue
stick rubbed it all over the cardigan and then someone
(07:16):
rolled around in hair. Are you trying to get Brandon canceled?
Because people are very passionate about this cardigan. Well, after
he gave me his honest review, I told him that
women are coming after anyone who speaks badly about this cardigan,
and he looked genuinely horrified, and he pleaded with me
not to mention his comments. So it looks like a
really cozy cargan. Yeah, it has been touted as this
(07:37):
perfect winter staple because it looks very warm, especially if
you're living in Melbourne where it's extra cold. Now. This
cardigan is currently so hard to get your hands on
because it is so hyped up on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I have been trying to get my hands on the
items in this package for quite literally months, so I'm
very excited to open them. We've all seen it, the
viral handy cardigans I got it in two colors, so let's.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Try them up.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I have noticed that TikTokers are always leaving their LTK
codes that their followers can go and shop their Henny
look and on the Henny website. This cardigan is currently
out of stock, but there's a little countdown to when
it will be back, so I think it's almost a
way to build hype, like, oh my god, I've got
to get my hands on this cardigan. Yeah, but despite
it being out of stock, the Henny marketing team is
(08:22):
continuing to drip feed gifted cardigans to micro influencers purely
so they'll post about it, creating more hype around this item.
Well yeah. I recently saw one TikToker who has four
thousand followers, saying that Henny had just dropped her the
out of stock cardigan, which then motivated her to create
a try on video about it. Here's what she said,
(08:44):
I must be in Henny's good books today.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Unannounced, the postman arrived with the delivery and inside was
the sold out Selene CARDI it's basically impossible to get
your hands on. Somehow, I got said one. I am
so obsessed.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think this is a really clever tactic because if
Henny were to gift this out of stock cardigan to
large influencers, I think that that would create a lot
of animosity and jealousy. But because they're gifting it to
micro influencers who feel like our friends, it's subtly reminding us,
don't forget about this cardigan. It's coming out soon. And
also at the same time, we're hearing a micro influencer
(09:28):
who was so appreciative to get it. Yeah, and this
brand is one of those cool girl brands. It's very chic,
it's very Melbourne. It was founded by influencer Nadia Bartel
in twenty nineteen with her sister, and it has quickly
become a cult favorite.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Now this is where author Kate Forster enters the chat.
So she is a best selling author who recently joined
TikTok and in the space of a few weeks, she's
gained over twenty four thousand followers, and that's by sharing
advice and fashion reviews. And I have to put it
out there. I am a big fan of her content.
She is refreshingly honest and absolutely hilarious. Her content is
(10:04):
very satirical and she just says it how it is.
She's been popping up a lot for me, and I
find her content it's like, it's nothing serious, it's just funny. Yeah.
I first came across her content when she created a
couple of tiktoks about the Witchery rebrand. Here's a snippet
of what she said, Why why.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Do you give a fuck about a mid brand like
bloody Witchery? But Witchery is just not it. It was never it.
It was always low rent Mimco and I hate Mimco.
So stop worrying about it. Go and invest in better fashion,
(10:43):
better quality, better style, support young creators. I don't know,
just fucking get over Witchery.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
As you can hear from this clip, she is hilarious,
but she's also very passionate about women supporting other brands,
and not just the mainstream brands. Since that video, she's
reviewed Zimmerman, Country Road, Sports Girl, Cookie, Suzanne's Spell, and
also White Fox. White Fox was one of my favorites. Yeah,
go and check it out, like, oh my god, so
(11:11):
spot on. But it wasn't until she shared her thoughts
on Henny that her account really took off. Here's what
she said.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So hear me out right I say all those girls
I saw an influencer yesterday to say that all the
women of Australia except for the fat ones, are wearing
the Henny Cardi. So I don't understand why girls who
say their influencers are then all wearing the same uniform.
It's this Henny Cardi that you know. I'm in my
(11:42):
late twenties early thirties version of a white Fox sweater.
I'm just questioning because I do see it a lot,
and I'm just wondering, if you're going to be an
influencer and a fashionista, why are you not looking at
other brands for cardigans? For example? Like, it's a fucking cardigan.
How do you want to wear the same thing as
everyone else? Now?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
She is bang on describing the Henny cardigan as the
late twenties to thirties version of the white Fox jumper,
because it is exactly what it is. She has hit
the nail on the head now. Kate then proceeded to
show her followers a range of cardigans that other small
brands sold and questioned why you'd want to look like
the same person walking down the street. She then finished
(12:24):
by saying this, Can.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I stop saying the same fashion influences, wearing the same friggin' things.
It's not a uniform. Start showing me what's good, not
what everyone else is wearing.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
In a now deleted video, she also compared Henny wearers
to bogans. Now that frustrated and upset a lot of people,
shots fired. They again, I had the feeling it was satirical.
I think she really hit the nail on the head
about this concept of people wearing a uniform. Ever since TikTok,
(13:01):
there's been this real desire to replicate trends and follow
whatever the cool girl is currently wearing on there. It's
not a platform that encourages people to be different and
stand out, because you get rewarded if you copy other
people's fashion trends. It's all about making sure also that
you fit this cool girl aesthetic that's being dictated to us.
And I think that with the cost of living crisis,
(13:23):
we're also being told to look at capsule wardrobes and
buy items that we can mix and match with others,
and people are moving away from statement items. I'm always
hearing stylist talk on TikTok about this is how you
can create a uniform for work or a uniform for
the weekend. Even no one has their own style, as
you said, anymore, no one wants to stand out from
the crowd. There's been so many times I've gone to
(13:44):
a cafe and it's the white fox hoodies, like as
Kate said, everyone wears. And I think, how embarrassing would
that be if teenage? Yeah, all tenagers. It's kind of
like when we were at high school and you'd have
casual day. But back when we were high Scott was
the billabong jacket and you'd be so embarrassed because you'd
rock up and two other people would be wearing the
(14:05):
same bang. It would be awful. As an adult, it's
really awkward wearing the same thing as someone as well.
I went to a wedding recently where I wore this
bright blue dress. It was my sister in law's wedding
and one of her friends wore the exact same dress,
but we just had to own it. We ended up
getting photos together and it was something we could bond over.
But I do see the irony of going out to brunch.
(14:27):
For some reason, I always envision in Melbourne and there's
just a swarm of thirty something women in this fluffy
jumper than Dewey is walking around little Kiwi fruits. Thank
god there are different colors though, that might at least
make you stand out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Kate's video went absolutely viral, with a large portion of
women actually agreeing wholeheardly with what she said, but it
was also met with a lot of criticism. So one
user told Kate that she is giving pick me vibes
and finished by saying that the Cardi slap so you
can tell that it's a there these girls sounds so triggered,
(15:02):
I know. Another person said, have you actually tried it on?
It's popular for a reason. Now, her video definitely seem
to ruffle the feathers of fashion influencers who began sharing
their thoughts on her video, But the catch was that
they were doing what she described was a dog whistle.
So what a dog whistle is is that you don't
(15:22):
actually name the person that you're speaking about, but you
act as if it's just a general thought about some
like a trend that's happening, even though it's clearly one
person that you're directing it out. Hate this this happens
all the time. We've had this where people will literally like,
they'll be talking about something our podcast has spoken about,
(15:43):
but they won't reference the podcast because they know that
people will go over to it and agree, Yeah, why
no context is what they're saying either because they're like, oh,
you know, it doesn't really matter. It was you know,
it was some gossip thing. And then and it's like, no,
just name it. Own it. You gotta call something out,
name it. The funniest thing is I think that we
(16:03):
were actually just dog whistling ourselves then. But I think
people will be able to read into it. Will we
name and name and shame all the time. We may
go into that in a subs episode because we're getting
off track now. A fashion influencer called ari Yasman, who
has over twenty thousand followers on TikTok, created a video
not naming Kate, but saying she doesn't like the current
trend of people critiquing viral outfits in a passive aggressive way.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Here's what she said, quick one, When did we start
being mean to people about liking and wearing popular items
of clothing. There's a genre of video I really like
on here, which is kind of talking about trends, maybe
critiquing trends, maybe critiquing brands when they're not doing good enough,
like the Witchery rebrand. Then there's another trend that I
don't think I like so much, and that's kind of
critiquing individual creators or people for wearing what we don't
(16:52):
think are interesting enough outfits, or wearing something that's really
viral or really popular. Some of the stuff I've seen
recently kind of just seems to be being passive aggressive
to people who like wearing things that are popular in
Australia right now. But I feel like, are we not
just making women feel bad about themselves for something that's
(17:13):
not problematic and not hurting anyone.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
She finished by asking everyone else's thoughts on the matter
and says she's forming her opinion on it as she speaks. However,
Kate Forster actually accused her of removing any comments that
didn't agree with her opinion. So it's interesting to ask
for comments but then not like it when someone shares
a different opinion. Now, there was a very mixed response,
(17:37):
as I said in the comment section, and one of
the notable responses was from Victoria Devine, who runs the
She's on the Money podcast, and she agreed with Ari's sentiment, writing,
it's not even being passive aggressive, She's being a bully.
I can't believe in twenty twenty four so many people
are supportive of her content. Now, a follower reply to
Victoria saying, I'm genuinely surprised to see you making this comment.
(18:01):
I followed you for a while now which part is bulling?
And I shared the same sentiment as this commenter now,
Victoria responded, if you don't see the content I'm referring
to as blatant bulling, perhaps you shouldn't follow me. She continued,
saying her body shaming and name calling should be glaringly
obvious signs of bullying. No, I'm really surprised that Victoria
(18:22):
would weigh into this and have this opinion. I mean,
she is a friend of the podcast, we have heard
her on the show before. Though maybe she owns a
Henny Cardigan and just saw red like I don't know.
I do think that the word bulling by the general public, though,
has been weaponized in twenty twenty four. I think that
people are so quick to label any sort of critical
thinking as bulling, and just because someone might critique something
(18:45):
or challenge your way of thinking, I don't think that
we can categorize that as bulling. I have never seen
Kate body shame anyone. I've consumed a lot of her content,
and if anything, she is the one who has been
copying a lot of derogatory remarks about her appearance. There's
been a lot of young women seeming to take issue
with the way that she looks, calling her fat, saying
(19:06):
she looks like Hagrid, and she's had a laugh about that,
but I can tell that it has actually affected her.
It's just so nasty. The whole thing to me seems
quite ageist. It's like, how dare you a woman who's
in her fifties have an opinion on fashion? Yeah, that's
ultimately what I think it comes down to. You know,
in this day and age where everyone's so woke, maybe
(19:27):
this content might be surprising to some because it's quite
refreshing to see someone actually being satirical. She drops the
odd F bomb, she pokes fun. It's very lighthearted. But
do any of these Jen Edison have like a sense
of humans? Yet? How can people not tell this is
a jog and it's not even as you said, it's not.
(19:48):
She hasn't body shamed anyone. It's simply a joke about fashion,
but it's also the fact that she is actually very
passionate about fashion, and she's just calling out the fact
that there's no individuality and she wants people to support
smaller brands because a lot of smaller fashion brands are
going under now. Kate hit back to the critique, saying this.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Say, a lot of these fucking young women on here
who are afraid to actually say what they think. Do
you know what, that's the number one thing that will
get you through life is fucking sticking to your ideals
and your values and having a fucking inner moral compass. Right.
I don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear.
I actually really don't care. It's all a fucking meme.
(20:33):
This app it's all a meme simply asking people to
look at other brands because the Australian industry, fashion industry
is in the fucking toilet. So if you're all wearing Hanny,
what about the other nitweb providers.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Kate also raised a really interesting point about kickbacks which
influencers receive for pushing certain brands. So a common theme
through the viral Henny Cardigan videos is influencers offering up
their LTK links to shop the law. Yeah, and if
you haven't seen LTK before, it is basically an app
where you can shop your favorite influencers content. So they
(21:08):
don't just put clothes up there. You can also shop
their furniture and their house, or their paintings or their homeware.
It's very clever marketing. It's basically an affiliate link, so
everything is for sale, that's right. So what happens with
the Henny cardigan is an influencer will share their LTK
link and it will then direct you to the Henny website.
(21:28):
But what a lot of people don't know is that
the influencer actually receives a commission for each purchase you make.
It can be very lucrative for fashion influencers because they
can make anywhere between ten to thirty percent off that
affiliate link. So when it comes to an item like
at the Henny cardigan, which is two hundred and twenty
nine dollars, they are making twenty two dollars ninety of
(21:50):
every cardigan you purchase from their link, So clearly they
have an incentive to be pushing that cardigan, to be
creating content around that Cardigan and Hennier also very clever
to be on LTK because they get access to over
two hundred thousand influencers who were signed up to it,
and when you search Henny on LTK, you can see
(22:10):
just how many people are collaborating with them, just how
many people are building hype over this cardigan. Now, this
discovery led Kate to question are the kickbacks the reason
so many influencers are pushing this cardigan? Here's what she
had to say.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So is the Henny Cardigan viral because it's a great cardigan,
because I've heard mixed reviews and I don't give a shit.
I'm never gonna wear it. Is it viral because everyone
loves it? Or is it viral because all the influencers
are getting a percentage of when they sell it, so
you have to be transparent as an influencer.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Kate also questioned the transparency, saying if influencers have to
declare paid partnerships, why don't they have to say they're
getting a cut each time they push a cardigan? Which
is such a good point. It is such a valid
point because if I'm shopping in influencers, look, I want
to know what they're making from it, because are they
telling me that this pair of jeans is great because
(23:07):
they genuinely like it, or is it because they're making
a huge commission of it now. Things really escalated when
Kate started receiving prank calls to her house, so she
posted a TikTok at one am on a Saturday night
saying she hadn't slept because of repeated calls from people
abusing her for calling out influences over a cardigan. Here's
(23:29):
what she said.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I have received repeated phone calls to my house to
my mobile phone, which I don't know where they got
my fucking number. I probably didn't hide it very well.
They have called me many times and made fun of
me over the phone about this. So if you think
(23:52):
you're standing for Henny, you're actually putting a massive skid
mark on it, because now on and my I don't know,
NOI sixteen thousand followers probably are going to look at
this brand and gone say, well, you kind of aren't
pretending to be something that you're not more power than
(24:14):
you think by threatening me over the phone, by invading
my personal space because I asked an influencer who always
talks about fashion to try other brands and then ask
general Australian influencers to try other brands because Australian fashion
(24:35):
is in a crisis. You have actually done this brand
a disservice because you have made the brand look like
main girls. I don't know if they are or aren't.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Kate finished by saying she was worried for her safety.
This is shocking that things have escalated this much over
a cardigan. It would be really terrifying for her as well.
I mean she's got ten age kids, she's hopped on
TikTok really for the first time. I mean, she's no
stranger to the industry. She's had radio shows before, she's
(25:10):
a very successful author. But it would be a very
strange feeling to be targeted in this way over something
that you see as lighthearted. For TikTokers are just next level,
aren't they. Yeah? I mean I think strolling and the
commentary's disgusting. Absolute cesspool of people. Now I want to
point out what an absolute class act Nadia Bartel is
(25:32):
because following this revelation, she DMed Kate to apologize. She wrote, Hi, Kate,
I am reaching out to you because of a few
of your tiktoks I've seen. I'm so sorry you have
been receiving threatening calls to your home. Neither Henny nor
I support bulling of any form. So Kate shared this
DM to her TikTok, saying she told Nadia the tea
(25:52):
and they both agreed. Some people in privileged positions should
know better what an absolute burn she is sharing this
to her TikTok to say that your queen, Nadia Bartell
is siding with me. It's just a big fuck you. Basically,
I just think that this is a really fantastic pr
move by Nadia. She could have blocked Kate or got
angry that she was commenting about her brand, but she
(26:15):
rose above her and befriended her. And I think we've
seen so many influences in the past take any sort
of criticism or feedback badly. They blow up and they
don't even take the chance to actually look at what
people have said about them. Yeah, here's some free PR
advice for influencers. If you get called out, don't go
on the attack. Go in there with kindness. Because of anything,
(26:36):
Kate has actually pumped up this cardigan even more. She
has shown how devoted these Henny fans are. I want
it now exactly. I might have looked at Henny I
was like, oh, I don't think the Kiwi cardigan is
for me. But she's got some k Selene, Selene, She's
got some really amazing bomber jackets and jeans. Nadia just
(26:57):
looks cool in anything. I stand that so hard. Did
you bring out like a penny plastic bag for freakin
two hundred bucks and people would buy it? Or maybe
not plastic, maybe paper.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You guys are gonna be her best friend.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Perth influencer m Davies has announced the birth of her
first child, and surprisingly, this is an influencer baby name.
I think that outspoken can get behind. Yeah, I really
like it. So Em and her partner Joel Gamban have
named their daughter Eila Sue Gambon, and perhaps this is
a sign of the times that we're going to see
more influencers going for traditional names. Well, Eiler was actually
(27:36):
crowned as the most popular girl's name in Queensland in
twenty twenty three, and as you said, Amy, it is
quite unusual to see influencers go for a name that's
very mainstream.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, Em previously told her followers not to expect a
weird baby name from her because she said she much
prefers the traditional names, and she even gave her followers
an insight into the style of baby names she liked
before give birth. So for the girls that included Delilah, Maye, Sadie, Stevie, Rommy,
and Alaura, I'd say there are a few unusual names
(28:08):
the way. Well, I think that they're pretty normal by
today's stand Yeah, it's not like kombucherous because my algorithm
is constantly feeding me kids' names and these ones are
very popular at the moment. And for boys' names, she
also liked Blue, Carter, and Kai. And it was really
beautiful because Em selected her baby's middle name as Sue,
and that's named after her mum, who sadly passed away.
(28:31):
Some followers were quite intrigued because em had said that
no matter what, she wanted, to call the baby's middle
name Sue. So people were thinking, well, if you were
going to call your boy blue, would it have been blue?
Sue sounds like blues clues. Surely she wouldn't have given
the name Sue for a boys, I know now. Her
mom did sadly pass away a couple of years ago,
(28:52):
and em has spoken in great depth about feeling very
connected to her mum during her pregnancy, particularly being pregnant
with a baby girl, and she shared a really sweet
photo showing a little red birthmark near her daughter's eye
and wrote angel kisses from Nanny in the sky, which
was really sweet. Well, m broke the news on Instagram,
sharing a carousel of photos of her newborn with the
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caption thirteen eight twenty four six seven pm Isla Sue Gambon,
I've never felt a love like this. We did it,
and she tagged her partner Joel Gambon. The post received
over eighty eight thousand likes and the Blue Tick Brigade
were out in force in the comments section. So Sammy
Robinson wrote congratulations, beautiful family. Tammy Hembro added crying She's
(29:37):
so perfect. Love you guys, while Skywheetly commented looks like
an actual doll. I'm crying. She is a very beautiful baby. Yeah,
she's a gorgeous little girl. And Chloe Zepp, Gracie Piscapo,
Indy Clinton, so for dof jar Da Tunci, Tylia Skeaines
and Lucy Jackson were also amongst the well known Aussie
influencers commenting, I'm assuming Lily Brown did as well, but
(29:59):
she's blow I couldn't see her comment well. I also
noticed that Nicky and Lucy took time away from their
amazing trip of Mikinos where they are celebrating Nicky's hands
to face time with EM. I wonder if they'll be
competing with Lily Brown to be sort of like the
best to your well, A lot of the time, when
someone has a baby and there's baby showers and then
(30:20):
birthday parties following it, you realize it's such a special
time in someone's life that you sort of drop all
of that shit. So maybe this will be an opportunity
for the gang to get back together bybee Now, EM
has been really active on TikTok and she's even added
Eila's mamma to her name, and her birth video has
wrapped up one million views on Instagram already. So this
(30:42):
video shows all the highlights of the birthing experience. So
we see EM and Joel walking into the hospital, as
well as EM in the hospital bed strapped up to
all of the monitoring systems and EM opted for a
vaginal birth, and you can see a photo of EM's
mum propped up by her bed as she gives birth,
which was just such a sweet touch. The video also
(31:03):
shows snippets of Em crying as Joel comforts her and
shots of the delivery. Now, a lot of people were
commenting who actually filmed this content? I think maybe people
were thinking, was it the nurses, it like the midwife videography. Yeah,
but it was actually two of EM's friends who were
support people, like they were allowed in the birthing sweet
and they did such a good job. It has only
(31:24):
been five days since Em gave birth, but she is
delivering on the newborn content. So she shared the hot
dad style TikTok video of Joel carrying baby Isler out
of the hospital in her capsule. That is a very
viral video that I'm seeing a lot of creators making.
She also shared a hilarious video of her holding her
baby in the hospital bed surrounded by sushi, with the
(31:47):
caption It's good being zero weeks present. She has been
missing that a lot.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Are you doing those?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
We're running?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Aaron Snow, a shop fitting company run by Guy Wheatley's
partner Lockie War, has gone into external administration after reportedly
being unable to pay its debts now. Amy. This came
as a bit of a surprise because Lockie's business, which
is called shop fit Co, has recently been running a
large social media as campaign talking about how they're expanding
(32:18):
their operations. Yeah, this kept popping up on my Instagram
feed for some reason. And shop fit Co is a
very well known business on the Gold Coast. It has
completed fit outs for a number of high profile shops,
including Quicksilver, Muffin Break and also Sassin Byte. There has
been no official word yet from Locke or Sky about
the company going into external administration, and even on Thursday,
(32:41):
the company was still uploading posts on as social media account. Yeah,
and shop fit Co is regularly featured in Sky's YouTube videos.
So they are renovating their Gold Coast mansion. They've been
renovating it for what feels like forever, It's been five years,
and in recent videos we've seen Locke's staff popping up
in their shop fit Ko shirt carrying out the renovations.
(33:02):
I wonder if it's because there's not much work for
them to be doing on other projects, so like, better
get my money's worth and get them working on my
own house. Well, the image that they've been portraying, is
this is a very successful business. Yeah, they definitely give
off this impression that they're very successful. That being said,
there have been some whispers about financial issues within the
business because there were reports that Locke's company had been
(33:25):
locked in a very bitter court battle with a Sydney
man since twenty twenty three, and Shopfit Co says that
the man still owes them close to sixty thousand dollars
for a fit out that they did for a Portuguese
burger bar. Now things got murkier because the business owner
is now countersuing Shopfit, alleging that the work was not
up to scratch and they're wanting damages for a breach
(33:46):
of contract and also loss of opportunity. So it sounds
like a very stressful time. Yeah, And I think there's
also a bit of confusion over this term external administration
and what it actually means. So for those who are unaware,
it basically means that someone from outside of Locke's business,
known as an external administrator, has been appointed to either
(34:06):
try and save this business, to sell it, or to
wind it down to try and repay its debts. And
according to the Gold Coast bulletin. Shop fit Co is
being administered under the Small Business Restructuring Program, So this
program gives companies with debts of less than one million
dollars a last ditch attempt to avoid liquidation. And interestingly,
(34:27):
documents show that the majority of the money that shop
fit Co actually owes is to the ATO, and there
have been a lot of reports that the ATO is
undergoing a massive crackdown. So we're seeing a lot of businesses,
especially construction businesses, currently being chased by the ATO for
unpaid taxes. And this is because there was a pandemic
(34:48):
induced hiatus on the ATO enforcing these tax payments. Now,
this story has been making a lot of headlines, particularly
on the Gold Coast, and it's good to see the sky.
Wheatley has been very sensitive handling this situation with her
partner because she has been poking a lot of fun
at him about it. So over the weekend she shared
an Instagram story of Lockey washing her car and she wrote,
(35:10):
never seen him do this. I'm giving him pocket money
since he's broke now with three cry pass Well, surely
things aren't that die if she's paying him out all.
I just think it's her sense of humor. A lot
of fans have noticed that Locke has had much more
of a presence on a social media account, because previously
he would protest to being in a TikTok videos and
(35:32):
he'd begrudgingly appear. But now he seems sort of down
to be in it, and I wonder if it's because
now that his business isn't doing so well, he thinks, fuck,
maybe I've got to have a social media presence online.
Maybe this is a secondary income for me. I think
maybe it's made him appreciate Sky more and he's thought, well, fuck,
is Sky's actually going to be bringing in most of
the income into this family? Maybe I need to support her. Well,
(35:55):
that's all we've got time for today. Thank you so
much for listening to another episode. Please don't forget to
follow us on Instagram and TikTok. We're at Outspoken Underscore
the Underscore podcast. Also, you can follow Kate, Sophie and
I on Instagram. Will be sharing some fun behind the
scenes videos soon. A bit of a fun fact. This
is the second time we have recorded this episode and
that is why it is a day late because we
(36:15):
had a major technical difficulty. We have new recording equipment.
But we have very old microphones and old microphone cards,
and one of them is faulty. So you went to
sit down on Monday night and edit a amy and
my whole microphone was crackling. I tried to edit it
around it, but it was just absolutely impossible. My husband
(36:36):
was so mad at me. I was literally sitting on
the toilet when you're cold, and I just was like, yeah,
every time you get some kind of news, you're sitting
on the toilet. Last week it was the Molly and
Tommy News. Now it was the podcast is when you're
on your phone, you've got time to scroll anyway, leaving
everyone with that beautiful image. But this episode was recorded
on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the
Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
To the past found nas
Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, the blow
up over the viral Henny Cardigan, Sky Wheatley's partner's business
goes into external administration, and m Davies touching baby news.
(00:24):
But first, Sophie, you're still reeling from Molly May and
Tommy Fury's breakup news. As the official Outspoken correspondent, can
you tell us the latest yet? Well, we haven't heard
any confirmation yet from Molly May. She has remained silent
on this topic, but that hasn't stopped the rumor meal
from going into absolute overdrive. We are swimming in a
lot of rumors on the internet at the moment. The
(00:45):
one gaining the most traction is the rumor that Tommy
cheated on Molly during an alcohol field lad's holiday to
North Macedonia with a Danish girl. Well, this was actually
printed in the Sun. Yeah. According to the Sun, Tommy
was seen kissing a blonde woman in a nightclub during
what they described as a two am vodka binge. Now,
this was reportedly just days before Molly May announced their
(01:08):
split on Instagram. A source who claims to have witnessed
the kiss told the son he was down in gray
Goose vodka and didn't seem to care who saw him
with the girl he kissed her. This will be heartbreaking
for Molly May. There was also a quote that interested
me from Molly's so called friend, and the friend, of
course isn't named in this article, but I would not
(01:29):
be surprised if her manager, Fran was briefing the press.
So the friend was quoted in the newspapers saying Molly
was told he had cheated on her with a Danish
woman he'd met while he was away in Macedonia. She
didn't want to believe it was true. When she confronted
him and asked him if he had cheated on her,
Tommy didn't deny it. It told Molly May all she
(01:50):
needed to know, and she ended it. He's moved out
of the house and she's absolutely reeling from it all.
Tommy's management team have also been working hard in the
background trying to shoot down some of them rumors. They
released a statement saying that he has been left horrified
by the false rumors and he's also consulting currently with
his lawyers because of these rumors that are being circulated
by the meeting. It's pretty bold of his team to
(02:12):
come out and label these allegations as false, because surely
there is a woman waiting in the wings, just getting
ready to tell her story. Yeah, but when they're talking
about false rumors, I think what they're referring to other
rumors that we touched on on Friday's episode, and that
was in relation to a TikTok rumor that Tommy had
impregnated a boxing coach's daughter. Oh yeah, Now that gained
(02:35):
a lot of momentum online and people were harassing the woman,
leaving comments saying, tell us that this isn't Tommy Fury's child,
and her dad had to come out and say, I
couldn't believe what we woke up to. She has a
lovely partner. Here's a photo of them together. So I
think that his team is saying, look, this rumor is
not true. It's been proven to be und true. So
(02:56):
you've got to be really careful about what you're going
to post in the future. Yeah, you need to get
your source is not from TikTok. Makes right, I met
that could be a good start.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
The paparazzi have been camped outside Molly's house for days now,
which would just be so incredibly tough when you're going
through a breakup. That being said, I was very interested
to see who were her support people in that moment
because we do know that her sister is currently away
on her honeymoon. And it was so cute because her
dad rocked up with a bunch of flowers and he
(03:24):
has also unfollowed Tommy on Instagram, which sends a strong
message from her manager was also there as well as
a handful of her other friends and everyone has been
waiting to catch the first glimpse of Molly since the breakup,
where everyone wants to see if she's doing okay. Yeah,
and it didn't disappoint because the paparazzi snapped Molly and
her friends in the car at the McDonald's drive through.
(03:46):
Can she be any more relatable? That's the first thing
that anyone does when they're going through a breakup. They've
got to get in the car with their friends, put
on breakup music and get McDonald's like it is the
best therapy. I would have loved to know what was
on their playlist and what they were discussing. You want
to know what they ordered? What about the person who's
serving Molly bay though? How awkward? Like tell me everything now.
(04:08):
The paparazzi also snapped photos of Tommy returning home Briefly.
He was only there for forty minutes on Friday, but
it's believed it's the first time Tommy and Molly have
seen each other since they're split, and everyone is talking
about what is going to happen to their beautiful six
bedroom mansion. So interestingly, there are reports that, according to
(04:29):
the land registry papers, this house, which was bought for
three point eight pounds in twenty twenty two, was solely
purchased in Molly's name, So this means that Tommy is
unlikely to have any financial stake in this property. I
am so happy to hear that because you can just
tell what a safe haven that home is for Molly.
It has her written all over, it is her interior design,
(04:51):
so I'm glad it looks like she'll get to keep
that in the split. I'm wondering how that works, because
if you're a de facto's in Australia, regardless of if
your name is on the paperwork, you still have some
claim to the property. I don't know if the rules
are different in the UK, but I'm hoping that Molly's
able to keep the house. Now for those who are
hoping that maybe Tommy and Molly might be able to
work through their issues, is looking more and more unlikely
(05:14):
because a large skip has been seen outside the mansion
with a suitcase poking out the top of it, and
many think that this skip is slowly going to be
filled with Tommy's belongings and that suitcase is his. If
a picture doesn't paint a thousand words, I think that
she wants the paparazzi to see him having to fish
that suitcase out of the skip, because that would be
(05:34):
absolutely iconic. It just sends the strong message that he
has done something and we're all waiting to unpack what
that is. He needs to be put in the bin,
doesn't he Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Author Kate Forster says she's been inundated with prank calls
and online abuse since creating a TikTok video calling out
the viral Henny Cardigan. The fifty three year old questioned,
young people all want to look the same by wearing
the cult cardigan created by fashion influencer Nardier Bartel. So
this cardigan has been all over my for you page.
(06:10):
It is everywhere. Every time I go on TikTok, I'm
seeing a fashion influencer either reviewing this cardigan or showing
how to style it. Now, the cardigan is called Selene,
and what makes it stand out is the fact that
it's fluffy. So it's made from our packer blend and
it comes in a range of different colors. It currently
retails for two hundred and twenty nine dollars, which is
(06:33):
quite expensive for a cardigan. I mean it is pricey.
I don't own the viral Henny cardigan, and I want
to put it out there. Please no one come after me.
But I know that this is one item of clothing
that my husband would pay me out for wearing. So
it's more of like girls get this kind of fashion. Yeah, definitely,
this is something that I don't think guys would get.
And for the purpose of this podcast, I ask my husband,
(06:56):
what is your take on this cardigan? And he said
that he thinks I would look like a little kiwi
fruit wearing it, which isn't actually that bad, Like, that's
kind of cute, a little kiwi fruit with fur on it.
I actually think it's quite a cute way to describe it.
But I pushed him even further and he said that
it kind of looked like the designer got a glue
stick rubbed it all over the cardigan and then someone
(07:16):
rolled around in hair. Are you trying to get Brandon canceled?
Because people are very passionate about this cardigan. Well, after
he gave me his honest review, I told him that
women are coming after anyone who speaks badly about this cardigan,
and he looked genuinely horrified, and he pleaded with me
not to mention his comments. So it looks like a
really cozy cargan. Yeah, it has been touted as this
(07:37):
perfect winter staple because it looks very warm, especially if
you're living in Melbourne where it's extra cold. Now. This
cardigan is currently so hard to get your hands on
because it is so hyped up on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I have been trying to get my hands on the
items in this package for quite literally months, so I'm
very excited to open them. We've all seen it, the
viral handy cardigans I got it in two colors, so let's.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Try them up.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I have noticed that TikTokers are always leaving their LTK
codes that their followers can go and shop their Henny
look and on the Henny website. This cardigan is currently
out of stock, but there's a little countdown to when
it will be back, so I think it's almost a
way to build hype, like, oh my god, I've got
to get my hands on this cardigan. Yeah, but despite
it being out of stock, the Henny marketing team is
(08:22):
continuing to drip feed gifted cardigans to micro influencers purely
so they'll post about it, creating more hype around this item.
Well yeah. I recently saw one TikToker who has four
thousand followers, saying that Henny had just dropped her the
out of stock cardigan, which then motivated her to create
a try on video about it. Here's what she said,
(08:44):
I must be in Henny's good books today.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Unannounced, the postman arrived with the delivery and inside was
the sold out Selene CARDI it's basically impossible to get
your hands on. Somehow, I got said one. I am
so obsessed.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think this is a really clever tactic because if
Henny were to gift this out of stock cardigan to
large influencers, I think that that would create a lot
of animosity and jealousy. But because they're gifting it to
micro influencers who feel like our friends, it's subtly reminding us,
don't forget about this cardigan. It's coming out soon. And
also at the same time, we're hearing a micro influencer
(09:28):
who was so appreciative to get it. Yeah, and this
brand is one of those cool girl brands. It's very chic,
it's very Melbourne. It was founded by influencer Nadia Bartel
in twenty nineteen with her sister, and it has quickly
become a cult favorite.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Now this is where author Kate Forster enters the chat.
So she is a best selling author who recently joined
TikTok and in the space of a few weeks, she's
gained over twenty four thousand followers, and that's by sharing
advice and fashion reviews. And I have to put it
out there. I am a big fan of her content.
She is refreshingly honest and absolutely hilarious. Her content is
(10:04):
very satirical and she just says it how it is.
She's been popping up a lot for me, and I
find her content it's like, it's nothing serious, it's just funny. Yeah.
I first came across her content when she created a
couple of tiktoks about the Witchery rebrand. Here's a snippet
of what she said, Why why.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Do you give a fuck about a mid brand like
bloody Witchery? But Witchery is just not it. It was never it.
It was always low rent Mimco and I hate Mimco.
So stop worrying about it. Go and invest in better fashion,
(10:43):
better quality, better style, support young creators. I don't know,
just fucking get over Witchery.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
As you can hear from this clip, she is hilarious,
but she's also very passionate about women supporting other brands,
and not just the mainstream brands. Since that video, she's
reviewed Zimmerman, Country Road, Sports Girl, Cookie, Suzanne's Spell, and
also White Fox. White Fox was one of my favorites. Yeah,
go and check it out, like, oh my god, so
(11:11):
spot on. But it wasn't until she shared her thoughts
on Henny that her account really took off. Here's what
she said.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
So hear me out right I say all those girls
I saw an influencer yesterday to say that all the
women of Australia except for the fat ones, are wearing
the Henny Cardi. So I don't understand why girls who
say their influencers are then all wearing the same uniform.
It's this Henny Cardi that you know. I'm in my
(11:42):
late twenties early thirties version of a white Fox sweater.
I'm just questioning because I do see it a lot,
and I'm just wondering, if you're going to be an
influencer and a fashionista, why are you not looking at
other brands for cardigans? For example? Like, it's a fucking cardigan.
How do you want to wear the same thing as
everyone else? Now?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
She is bang on describing the Henny cardigan as the
late twenties to thirties version of the white Fox jumper,
because it is exactly what it is. She has hit
the nail on the head now. Kate then proceeded to
show her followers a range of cardigans that other small
brands sold and questioned why you'd want to look like
the same person walking down the street. She then finished
(12:24):
by saying this, Can.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I stop saying the same fashion influences, wearing the same friggin' things.
It's not a uniform. Start showing me what's good, not
what everyone else is wearing.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
In a now deleted video, she also compared Henny wearers
to bogans. Now that frustrated and upset a lot of people,
shots fired. They again, I had the feeling it was satirical.
I think she really hit the nail on the head
about this concept of people wearing a uniform. Ever since TikTok,
(13:01):
there's been this real desire to replicate trends and follow
whatever the cool girl is currently wearing on there. It's
not a platform that encourages people to be different and
stand out, because you get rewarded if you copy other
people's fashion trends. It's all about making sure also that
you fit this cool girl aesthetic that's being dictated to us.
And I think that with the cost of living crisis,
(13:23):
we're also being told to look at capsule wardrobes and
buy items that we can mix and match with others,
and people are moving away from statement items. I'm always
hearing stylist talk on TikTok about this is how you
can create a uniform for work or a uniform for
the weekend. Even no one has their own style, as
you said, anymore, no one wants to stand out from
the crowd. There's been so many times I've gone to
(13:44):
a cafe and it's the white fox hoodies, like as
Kate said, everyone wears. And I think, how embarrassing would
that be if teenage? Yeah, all tenagers. It's kind of
like when we were at high school and you'd have
casual day. But back when we were high Scott was
the billabong jacket and you'd be so embarrassed because you'd
rock up and two other people would be wearing the
(14:05):
same bang. It would be awful. As an adult, it's
really awkward wearing the same thing as someone as well.
I went to a wedding recently where I wore this
bright blue dress. It was my sister in law's wedding
and one of her friends wore the exact same dress,
but we just had to own it. We ended up
getting photos together and it was something we could bond over.
But I do see the irony of going out to brunch.
(14:27):
For some reason, I always envision in Melbourne and there's
just a swarm of thirty something women in this fluffy
jumper than Dewey is walking around little Kiwi fruits. Thank
god there are different colors though, that might at least
make you stand out a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Kate's video went absolutely viral, with a large portion of
women actually agreeing wholeheardly with what she said, but it
was also met with a lot of criticism. So one
user told Kate that she is giving pick me vibes
and finished by saying that the Cardi slap so you
can tell that it's a there these girls sounds so triggered,
(15:02):
I know. Another person said, have you actually tried it on?
It's popular for a reason. Now, her video definitely seem
to ruffle the feathers of fashion influencers who began sharing
their thoughts on her video, But the catch was that
they were doing what she described was a dog whistle.
So what a dog whistle is is that you don't
(15:22):
actually name the person that you're speaking about, but you
act as if it's just a general thought about some
like a trend that's happening, even though it's clearly one
person that you're directing it out. Hate this this happens
all the time. We've had this where people will literally like,
they'll be talking about something our podcast has spoken about,
(15:43):
but they won't reference the podcast because they know that
people will go over to it and agree, Yeah, why
no context is what they're saying either because they're like, oh,
you know, it doesn't really matter. It was you know,
it was some gossip thing. And then and it's like, no,
just name it. Own it. You gotta call something out,
name it. The funniest thing is I think that we
(16:03):
were actually just dog whistling ourselves then. But I think
people will be able to read into it. Will we
name and name and shame all the time. We may
go into that in a subs episode because we're getting
off track now. A fashion influencer called ari Yasman, who
has over twenty thousand followers on TikTok, created a video
not naming Kate, but saying she doesn't like the current
trend of people critiquing viral outfits in a passive aggressive way.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Here's what she said, quick one, When did we start
being mean to people about liking and wearing popular items
of clothing. There's a genre of video I really like
on here, which is kind of talking about trends, maybe
critiquing trends, maybe critiquing brands when they're not doing good enough,
like the Witchery rebrand. Then there's another trend that I
don't think I like so much, and that's kind of
critiquing individual creators or people for wearing what we don't
(16:52):
think are interesting enough outfits, or wearing something that's really
viral or really popular. Some of the stuff I've seen
recently kind of just seems to be being passive aggressive
to people who like wearing things that are popular in
Australia right now. But I feel like, are we not
just making women feel bad about themselves for something that's
(17:13):
not problematic and not hurting anyone.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
She finished by asking everyone else's thoughts on the matter
and says she's forming her opinion on it as she speaks. However,
Kate Forster actually accused her of removing any comments that
didn't agree with her opinion. So it's interesting to ask
for comments but then not like it when someone shares
a different opinion. Now, there was a very mixed response,
(17:37):
as I said in the comment section, and one of
the notable responses was from Victoria Devine, who runs the
She's on the Money podcast, and she agreed with Ari's sentiment, writing,
it's not even being passive aggressive, She's being a bully.
I can't believe in twenty twenty four so many people
are supportive of her content. Now, a follower reply to
Victoria saying, I'm genuinely surprised to see you making this comment.
(18:01):
I followed you for a while now which part is bulling?
And I shared the same sentiment as this commenter now,
Victoria responded, if you don't see the content I'm referring
to as blatant bulling, perhaps you shouldn't follow me. She continued,
saying her body shaming and name calling should be glaringly
obvious signs of bullying. No, I'm really surprised that Victoria
(18:22):
would weigh into this and have this opinion. I mean,
she is a friend of the podcast, we have heard
her on the show before. Though maybe she owns a
Henny Cardigan and just saw red like I don't know.
I do think that the word bulling by the general public, though,
has been weaponized in twenty twenty four. I think that
people are so quick to label any sort of critical
thinking as bulling, and just because someone might critique something
(18:45):
or challenge your way of thinking, I don't think that
we can categorize that as bulling. I have never seen
Kate body shame anyone. I've consumed a lot of her content,
and if anything, she is the one who has been
copying a lot of derogatory remarks about her appearance. There's
been a lot of young women seeming to take issue
with the way that she looks, calling her fat, saying
(19:06):
she looks like Hagrid, and she's had a laugh about that,
but I can tell that it has actually affected her.
It's just so nasty. The whole thing to me seems
quite ageist. It's like, how dare you a woman who's
in her fifties have an opinion on fashion? Yeah, that's
ultimately what I think it comes down to. You know,
in this day and age where everyone's so woke, maybe
(19:27):
this content might be surprising to some because it's quite
refreshing to see someone actually being satirical. She drops the
odd F bomb, she pokes fun. It's very lighthearted. But
do any of these Jen Edison have like a sense
of humans? Yet? How can people not tell this is
a jog and it's not even as you said, it's not.
(19:48):
She hasn't body shamed anyone. It's simply a joke about fashion,
but it's also the fact that she is actually very
passionate about fashion, and she's just calling out the fact
that there's no individuality and she wants people to support
smaller brands because a lot of smaller fashion brands are
going under now. Kate hit back to the critique, saying this.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Say, a lot of these fucking young women on here
who are afraid to actually say what they think. Do
you know what, that's the number one thing that will
get you through life is fucking sticking to your ideals
and your values and having a fucking inner moral compass. Right.
I don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear.
I actually really don't care. It's all a fucking meme.
(20:33):
This app it's all a meme simply asking people to
look at other brands because the Australian industry, fashion industry
is in the fucking toilet. So if you're all wearing Hanny,
what about the other nitweb providers.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Kate also raised a really interesting point about kickbacks which
influencers receive for pushing certain brands. So a common theme
through the viral Henny Cardigan videos is influencers offering up
their LTK links to shop the law. Yeah, and if
you haven't seen LTK before, it is basically an app
where you can shop your favorite influencers content. So they
(21:08):
don't just put clothes up there. You can also shop
their furniture and their house, or their paintings or their homeware.
It's very clever marketing. It's basically an affiliate link, so
everything is for sale, that's right. So what happens with
the Henny cardigan is an influencer will share their LTK
link and it will then direct you to the Henny website.
(21:28):
But what a lot of people don't know is that
the influencer actually receives a commission for each purchase you make.
It can be very lucrative for fashion influencers because they
can make anywhere between ten to thirty percent off that
affiliate link. So when it comes to an item like
at the Henny cardigan, which is two hundred and twenty
nine dollars, they are making twenty two dollars ninety of
(21:50):
every cardigan you purchase from their link, So clearly they
have an incentive to be pushing that cardigan, to be
creating content around that Cardigan and Hennier also very clever
to be on LTK because they get access to over
two hundred thousand influencers who were signed up to it,
and when you search Henny on LTK, you can see
(22:10):
just how many people are collaborating with them, just how
many people are building hype over this cardigan. Now, this
discovery led Kate to question are the kickbacks the reason
so many influencers are pushing this cardigan? Here's what she
had to say.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So is the Henny Cardigan viral because it's a great cardigan,
because I've heard mixed reviews and I don't give a shit.
I'm never gonna wear it. Is it viral because everyone
loves it? Or is it viral because all the influencers
are getting a percentage of when they sell it, so
you have to be transparent as an influencer.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Kate also questioned the transparency, saying if influencers have to
declare paid partnerships, why don't they have to say they're
getting a cut each time they push a cardigan? Which
is such a good point. It is such a valid
point because if I'm shopping in influencers, look, I want
to know what they're making from it, because are they
telling me that this pair of jeans is great because
(23:07):
they genuinely like it, or is it because they're making
a huge commission of it now. Things really escalated when
Kate started receiving prank calls to her house, so she
posted a TikTok at one am on a Saturday night
saying she hadn't slept because of repeated calls from people
abusing her for calling out influences over a cardigan. Here's
(23:29):
what she said.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I have received repeated phone calls to my house to
my mobile phone, which I don't know where they got
my fucking number. I probably didn't hide it very well.
They have called me many times and made fun of
me over the phone about this. So if you think
(23:52):
you're standing for Henny, you're actually putting a massive skid
mark on it, because now on and my I don't know,
NOI sixteen thousand followers probably are going to look at
this brand and gone say, well, you kind of aren't
pretending to be something that you're not more power than
(24:14):
you think by threatening me over the phone, by invading
my personal space because I asked an influencer who always
talks about fashion to try other brands and then ask
general Australian influencers to try other brands because Australian fashion
(24:35):
is in a crisis. You have actually done this brand
a disservice because you have made the brand look like
main girls. I don't know if they are or aren't.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Kate finished by saying she was worried for her safety.
This is shocking that things have escalated this much over
a cardigan. It would be really terrifying for her as well.
I mean she's got ten age kids, she's hopped on
TikTok really for the first time. I mean, she's no
stranger to the industry. She's had radio shows before, she's
(25:10):
a very successful author. But it would be a very
strange feeling to be targeted in this way over something
that you see as lighthearted. For TikTokers are just next level,
aren't they. Yeah? I mean I think strolling and the
commentary's disgusting. Absolute cesspool of people. Now I want to
point out what an absolute class act Nadia Bartel is
(25:32):
because following this revelation, she DMed Kate to apologize. She wrote, Hi, Kate,
I am reaching out to you because of a few
of your tiktoks I've seen. I'm so sorry you have
been receiving threatening calls to your home. Neither Henny nor
I support bulling of any form. So Kate shared this
DM to her TikTok, saying she told Nadia the tea
(25:52):
and they both agreed. Some people in privileged positions should
know better what an absolute burn she is sharing this
to her TikTok to say that your queen, Nadia Bartell
is siding with me. It's just a big fuck you. Basically,
I just think that this is a really fantastic pr
move by Nadia. She could have blocked Kate or got
angry that she was commenting about her brand, but she
(26:15):
rose above her and befriended her. And I think we've
seen so many influences in the past take any sort
of criticism or feedback badly. They blow up and they
don't even take the chance to actually look at what
people have said about them. Yeah, here's some free PR
advice for influencers. If you get called out, don't go
on the attack. Go in there with kindness. Because of anything,
(26:36):
Kate has actually pumped up this cardigan even more. She
has shown how devoted these Henny fans are. I want
it now exactly. I might have looked at Henny I
was like, oh, I don't think the Kiwi cardigan is
for me. But she's got some k Selene, Selene, She's
got some really amazing bomber jackets and jeans. Nadia just
(26:57):
looks cool in anything. I stand that so hard. Did
you bring out like a penny plastic bag for freakin
two hundred bucks and people would buy it? Or maybe
not plastic, maybe paper.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You guys are gonna be her best friend.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Perth influencer m Davies has announced the birth of her
first child, and surprisingly, this is an influencer baby name.
I think that outspoken can get behind. Yeah, I really
like it. So Em and her partner Joel Gamban have
named their daughter Eila Sue Gambon, and perhaps this is
a sign of the times that we're going to see
more influencers going for traditional names. Well, Eiler was actually
(27:36):
crowned as the most popular girl's name in Queensland in
twenty twenty three, and as you said, Amy, it is
quite unusual to see influencers go for a name that's
very mainstream.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, Em previously told her followers not to expect a
weird baby name from her because she said she much
prefers the traditional names, and she even gave her followers
an insight into the style of baby names she liked
before give birth. So for the girls that included Delilah, Maye, Sadie, Stevie, Rommy,
and Alaura, I'd say there are a few unusual names
(28:08):
the way. Well, I think that they're pretty normal by
today's stand Yeah, it's not like kombucherous because my algorithm
is constantly feeding me kids' names and these ones are
very popular at the moment. And for boys' names, she
also liked Blue, Carter, and Kai. And it was really
beautiful because Em selected her baby's middle name as Sue,
and that's named after her mum, who sadly passed away.
(28:31):
Some followers were quite intrigued because em had said that
no matter what, she wanted, to call the baby's middle
name Sue. So people were thinking, well, if you were
going to call your boy blue, would it have been blue?
Sue sounds like blues clues. Surely she wouldn't have given
the name Sue for a boys, I know now. Her
mom did sadly pass away a couple of years ago,
(28:52):
and em has spoken in great depth about feeling very
connected to her mum during her pregnancy, particularly being pregnant
with a baby girl, and she shared a really sweet
photo showing a little red birthmark near her daughter's eye
and wrote angel kisses from Nanny in the sky, which
was really sweet. Well, m broke the news on Instagram,
sharing a carousel of photos of her newborn with the
(29:15):
caption thirteen eight twenty four six seven pm Isla Sue Gambon,
I've never felt a love like this. We did it,
and she tagged her partner Joel Gambon. The post received
over eighty eight thousand likes and the Blue Tick Brigade
were out in force in the comments section. So Sammy
Robinson wrote congratulations, beautiful family. Tammy Hembro added crying She's
(29:37):
so perfect. Love you guys, while Skywheetly commented looks like
an actual doll. I'm crying. She is a very beautiful baby. Yeah,
she's a gorgeous little girl. And Chloe Zepp, Gracie Piscapo,
Indy Clinton, so for dof jar Da Tunci, Tylia Skeaines
and Lucy Jackson were also amongst the well known Aussie
influencers commenting, I'm assuming Lily Brown did as well, but
(29:59):
she's blow I couldn't see her comment well. I also
noticed that Nicky and Lucy took time away from their
amazing trip of Mikinos where they are celebrating Nicky's hands
to face time with EM. I wonder if they'll be
competing with Lily Brown to be sort of like the
best to your well, A lot of the time, when
someone has a baby and there's baby showers and then
(30:20):
birthday parties following it, you realize it's such a special
time in someone's life that you sort of drop all
of that shit. So maybe this will be an opportunity
for the gang to get back together bybee Now, EM
has been really active on TikTok and she's even added
Eila's mamma to her name, and her birth video has
wrapped up one million views on Instagram already. So this
(30:42):
video shows all the highlights of the birthing experience. So
we see EM and Joel walking into the hospital, as
well as EM in the hospital bed strapped up to
all of the monitoring systems and EM opted for a
vaginal birth, and you can see a photo of EM's
mum propped up by her bed as she gives birth,
which was just such a sweet touch. The video also
(31:03):
shows snippets of Em crying as Joel comforts her and
shots of the delivery. Now, a lot of people were
commenting who actually filmed this content? I think maybe people
were thinking, was it the nurses, it like the midwife videography. Yeah,
but it was actually two of EM's friends who were
support people, like they were allowed in the birthing sweet
and they did such a good job. It has only
(31:24):
been five days since Em gave birth, but she is
delivering on the newborn content. So she shared the hot
dad style TikTok video of Joel carrying baby Isler out
of the hospital in her capsule. That is a very
viral video that I'm seeing a lot of creators making.
She also shared a hilarious video of her holding her
baby in the hospital bed surrounded by sushi, with the
(31:47):
caption It's good being zero weeks present. She has been
missing that a lot.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Are you doing those?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
We're running?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Aaron Snow, a shop fitting company run by Guy Wheatley's
partner Lockie War, has gone into external administration after reportedly
being unable to pay its debts now. Amy. This came
as a bit of a surprise because Lockie's business, which
is called shop fit Co, has recently been running a
large social media as campaign talking about how they're expanding
(32:18):
their operations. Yeah, this kept popping up on my Instagram
feed for some reason. And shop fit Co is a
very well known business on the Gold Coast. It has
completed fit outs for a number of high profile shops,
including Quicksilver, Muffin Break and also Sassin Byte. There has
been no official word yet from Locke or Sky about
the company going into external administration, and even on Thursday,
(32:41):
the company was still uploading posts on as social media account. Yeah,
and shop fit Co is regularly featured in Sky's YouTube videos.
So they are renovating their Gold Coast mansion. They've been
renovating it for what feels like forever, It's been five years,
and in recent videos we've seen Locke's staff popping up
in their shop fit Ko shirt carrying out the renovations.
(33:02):
I wonder if it's because there's not much work for
them to be doing on other projects, so like, better
get my money's worth and get them working on my
own house. Well, the image that they've been portraying, is
this is a very successful business. Yeah, they definitely give
off this impression that they're very successful. That being said,
there have been some whispers about financial issues within the
business because there were reports that Locke's company had been
(33:25):
locked in a very bitter court battle with a Sydney
man since twenty twenty three, and Shopfit Co says that
the man still owes them close to sixty thousand dollars
for a fit out that they did for a Portuguese
burger bar. Now things got murkier because the business owner
is now countersuing Shopfit, alleging that the work was not
up to scratch and they're wanting damages for a breach
(33:46):
of contract and also loss of opportunity. So it sounds
like a very stressful time. Yeah, And I think there's
also a bit of confusion over this term external administration
and what it actually means. So for those who are unaware,
it basically means that someone from outside of Locke's business,
known as an external administrator, has been appointed to either
(34:06):
try and save this business, to sell it, or to
wind it down to try and repay its debts. And
according to the Gold Coast bulletin. Shop fit Co is
being administered under the Small Business Restructuring Program, So this
program gives companies with debts of less than one million
dollars a last ditch attempt to avoid liquidation. And interestingly,
(34:27):
documents show that the majority of the money that shop
fit Co actually owes is to the ATO, and there
have been a lot of reports that the ATO is
undergoing a massive crackdown. So we're seeing a lot of businesses,
especially construction businesses, currently being chased by the ATO for
unpaid taxes. And this is because there was a pandemic
(34:48):
induced hiatus on the ATO enforcing these tax payments. Now,
this story has been making a lot of headlines, particularly
on the Gold Coast, and it's good to see the sky.
Wheatley has been very sensitive handling this situation with her
partner because she has been poking a lot of fun
at him about it. So over the weekend she shared
an Instagram story of Lockey washing her car and she wrote,
(35:10):
never seen him do this. I'm giving him pocket money
since he's broke now with three cry pass Well, surely
things aren't that die if she's paying him out all.
I just think it's her sense of humor. A lot
of fans have noticed that Locke has had much more
of a presence on a social media account, because previously
he would protest to being in a TikTok videos and
(35:32):
he'd begrudgingly appear. But now he seems sort of down
to be in it, and I wonder if it's because
now that his business isn't doing so well, he thinks, fuck,
maybe I've got to have a social media presence online.
Maybe this is a secondary income for me. I think
maybe it's made him appreciate Sky more and he's thought, well, fuck,
is Sky's actually going to be bringing in most of
the income into this family? Maybe I need to support her. Well,
(35:55):
that's all we've got time for today. Thank you so
much for listening to another episode. Please don't forget to
follow us on Instagram and TikTok. We're at Outspoken Underscore
the Underscore podcast. Also, you can follow Kate, Sophie and
I on Instagram. Will be sharing some fun behind the
scenes videos soon. A bit of a fun fact. This
is the second time we have recorded this episode and
that is why it is a day late because we
(36:15):
had a major technical difficulty. We have new recording equipment.
But we have very old microphones and old microphone cards,
and one of them is faulty. So you went to
sit down on Monday night and edit a amy and
my whole microphone was crackling. I tried to edit it
around it, but it was just absolutely impossible. My husband
(36:36):
was so mad at me. I was literally sitting on
the toilet when you're cold, and I just was like, yeah,
every time you get some kind of news, you're sitting
on the toilet. Last week it was the Molly and
Tommy News. Now it was the podcast is when you're
on your phone, you've got time to scroll anyway, leaving
everyone with that beautiful image. But this episode was recorded
on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the
Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
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