We Are Not The Same #93

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome back to Over Opinionated
.
The last episode was very sad.
We talked about the death andassassination and I will say
martyrdom of our brother CharlieKirk.
We're going to continue talkingsomewhat about that and
somewhat of the memorial service.

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It was a beautiful, beautifulmemorial service and I want to
address some things.
Before we do, I have to say I'mexhausted, but I wanted to push
myself to put this podcast out,so it was still relevant.
Get it out tomorrow, which willbe Wednesday.
Yesterday I had the privilege me, my wife and my granddad drove

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to a small church outside ofHillsville, virginia, and I got
home about 11.30, so I'mexhausted, and I had a
Republican Party meeting tonight, so I'm just exhausted.
So I'm just exhausted.
But I got to see Dr James White, who is a very wise guy.

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He has a PhD, he's a churchprofessor, he's a pastor, a
podcaster.
He travels the country in hisRV.
He's from Phoenix, arizona, andwe went to I think the name of
the church was Justified, orJustified Redeemed Reformed

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Baptist Church.
I believe it's just outside ofHealesville.
Very nice people Listen, I'm anArmenian.
I don't believe inpredestination the same way
Calvinists do, but there arebrothers and sisters.
And when I saw that Dr Whitewas coming to a church around an
hour and a half from me, I waslike I've got to do it.

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I watched his show, the DividingLine, and he said he was in a
small town called Whiteville,virginia, and it went over my
head for a second and I was like, wait a minute, he with phil
and um, and listen, I'm notmaking fun of him because I
mispronounce stuff all the timeand I understand with him.

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When you look at with phil itkind of does look like it should
be pronounced wife phil.
So I've been joking with mywife, um, that uh, yeah, we're
heading to Wifeville, but it'sWytheville and you know my
family's from Wythe County, soyou know that's.
It was kind of funny to me andso I got the privilege to hear

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him give a lecture at theReformed Church just outside of
Hillsville, virginia, and aboutthe first thousand years of
church history Really awesome.
And he actually signed my book,the King James Only Controversy
.
He signed my book and it meansthe world to me.

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If you want to look at churchhistory, go to James White.
You know I'm an Armenianhistory, go to James White.
Um, you know I'm an Armeniandisagreement, but I love the guy
.
So, um, he's a very goodteacher, he's helped me out
tremendously, very smart, verywise man.
But, um, but, if I seem tired,that is why, and um, but I have

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not forgotten the um urgency ofthe charlie kirk situation, the
memorial service, some of thehorrible, awful things people
have said.
And since the last time I'vebeen on here, um, they have
caught the shooter and he is incustody.
He, well, he, he was forced tosurrender himself.

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His dad basically made him.
I won't say the shooter's name.
Since the last time, I think,I've been on here, I also
preached a message at SaltvilleBaptist Church.
Their pastor asked me to comepreach.
Their pastor asked my pastorwho could have some pulpit fill

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for him after his cataractsurgery, and it was a blessing.
I preached on the Lord's Prayerand hopefully I was a blessing
to them.
I'm eventually going to recordthat and have that as a podcast
episode here because they recordthe service.
So it was my pleasure to preachfor the first time in many
years.
I've done Bible studies andstreet evangelism, but that was

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my first formal preaching in afew years, so it was a good
thing.
But I'm going to say the Lord'sPrayer and then we're going to
get on with the episode.
Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed be thy name and thy
kingdom.
Come, thy will be done on earthas it is in heaven, and give us

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this day our daily bread.
Forgive us our trespasses as weforgive those who trespass
against us.
Lead us not in temptation, butdeliver us from the evil.
One for divine is the kingdom,the power and glory forever and
ever.
Amen.
Um.
So, after it's been over a weeksince Charlie Kirk was murdered
and I'm still very emotionalabout it I get touched about it.

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His message has been amplifiedten times since his death and
tons of Turning Point USAchapters are getting started, um
, and people are hearing themessage of conservatism, but,
most importantly, people arehearing the message of Christ

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and his memorial service.
They went to the ArizonaCardinals Stadium.
I'm glad they allowed them touse it had over a hundred
thousand people there and thenthen, um, they had a hundred
thousand people total.
I think twenty thousand were inthe overflow.
I mean, that's more than youcan get watching an nfl game,

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because they had seating on thefield.
So where you can um go on thefield?
They had seating there and anyconservative worth his salt.
That was a podcaster,influencer.
That was in government, wasthere.

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A lot of people in the federalgovernment were there.
Secretary Marco Rubio gave aspeech.
Rfk Jr gave a speech, donaldTrump Jr, donald Trump Vice

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President Vance made a speech,and all of them were pretty good
.
I know Trump had somecriticisms about his speech and
we're going to talk about it.
I'm going to play a clip andErica Kirk went out there and
made a speech, but there's beena lot of people on the internet
posting horrible, horriblethings.
I've seen it about Charlie Kirkand I just want to say, before I
get too far into this episode,I know that there are brothers

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and sisters that vote Democratthat are still my brothers,
still my sisters.
I go to church with a lady whovotes Democrat.
We don't talk politics, neverhave, but if she brought it up
I'd be respectful to her.
She's my sister in the Lord.
She loves God.
I see her worship.
I know she loves God.
I just think she's wrong.

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There are still good Christianson the other side.
With that being said, Ipersonally believe they're
voting for the party that is inthe wrong and is less close to
biblical values.
I do.
I'm a Republican.
I believe the Republican Partylines up more biblically than

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the Democrat Party.
We're not perfect.
We have a lot of sin in theRepublican Party and there's a
lot of sin with Republicanvoters, no doubt about it.
But I truly believe that theDemocratic Party has a demonic
element.
When I see people and not justparty officials but voters when
I see people making TikTokslaughing about Charlie Kirk's

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death officials, but voters wantto see people making tiktoks
laughing about charlie kirk'sdeath um, when I I went to a
bible study with a woman thatwas always leaned to the left.
She's actually a communist, um,I don't know how long she's been
open, an open communist, butshe is.
She's always been very far leftand um, but you know, but um, I

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went to a bible study with thisgirl for years, always leaned
to the left, she was going to aconservative church,
theologically conservative.
Um, I'm not going to say whatchurch because it'll give it
away.
I'm not going to say her name,but um, she was always kind of
in the felt, in, in the out andout.
I could tell her and herhusband Because, how liberal

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they were and they're moreliberal than the Democrats.
They're actual communists andyou know, especially from some
of the account of her husband Ifound on Blue Sky where he just
let it all come out.
He didn't hide it at all, but,um, you know, I just there was a

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pastor and um, um, some back asa black Baptist church, nothing
wrong with the skin color, butI was just given the background
that was saying horrible thingsabout Charlie Kirk, saying he
hated that he was, he wasmurdered, but his, his murder
doesn't make him a better man.
He's saying horrible thingsabout someone I consider a

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brother and you don't even haveto agree with charlie
politically, but charliepreached the gospel of jesus
christ, the death, burial andresurrection.
He just did.
And, um, I, you know, I made acomment on the post and I put
pastor in quotation marks,basically saying he's not a real
pastor.
And I'm going to call thisperson Sally.

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I'm going to read you thisconversation, this argument.
We had just to show the heartof people.
This is a self-proclaimedChristian.
I'm truly worried about her andher, um, I'm just truly worried
about her faith.
I can't judge people, I can'tcondemn someone to hell or put

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someone in heaven, but thethings she says are not
Christian.
These are not things that Ibelieve would the spirit lead
you to say I, I believe a spiritwould lead you to say it, but
not the spirit.
I mean truly hateful, hatefulstuff.
But your politics does matter.

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What you believe does matterand it will influence you
spiritually.
That's why, you know, I alwayssay say, get your politics from
the Bible.
I'm a Republican but I can'tjust say everything they do is
right.
I have to check them with theBible.

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Listen, sometimes I am.
I do hit the Republicans onsome welfare measures.
Well, yeah, we do need a goodwelfare system.
Sometimes my party goes too farin immigration, not illegal
immigration, but just legalimmigration, allowing people to
come over here.
I'm very pro-immigrant.

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I want good immigrants to come.
I want to know where they'recoming from, I want to know who
they are.
But I do believe it's Christianto be pro-immigrant and I'm
okay with deporting illegals ifwe do it humanely and we are
doing it humanely.
But I'm going to read thecomments.
So I put pastor in quotationmarks.

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She responded yeah, he'sordained.
He leads a church, he's apastor.
So I responded so areblue-haired lesbians.
I don't really care if thegovernment recognizes his
ordination.
I should have said, instead ofputting the government
recognizing his ordination.
I should have put thenomination um, in the state of

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Virginia.
In most states you have to havea certificate to be able to
marry people.
It's not called a minister'slicense, but it's basically a
minister's license.
You don't have to be anordained minister to marry
people, but you do have to havea certificate to marry people,
and this is what most peoplerefer to as a minister's license

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.
She responded bro, thegovernment question mark.
The government doesn't ordainpastors and literally never has.
This is where she's getting andshe put the laughy face.
This is where she's getting andshe put the laughy face.
This is where she's gettingextremely cocky and stupid.

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The church she's a part of theEpiscopal Church.
Usa is a branch of the AnglicanChurch.
Guess what?
The Anglican Church and England, the state government, the
government of the United Kingdom, ordains people.
So yeah, throughout Christianhistory, kingdom ordains people.
So yeah, throughout Christianhistory, governments have
ordained people.
We might not do it in theUnited States.

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So yeah, I was wrong.
I shouldn't have saidgovernment recognized ordination
.
I should have just said youknow, and I brought that up and
I'll comment it Fair enough,forgive me for the mishap.
That's only partially true,though, because there are some
countries with state churches,but here's what you have to go

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to perform a marriage.
And then I gave her theauthorization of a marriage law.
And then I put further.
My point was there's a lot ofungodly people in liberal
denominations that should not bepastors.
Maybe their church ordinatedthem, I don't care, they're not

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qualified.
They support sinful lifestyles.
Also, what this pastor said ispretty disgusting about Charlie.
Progressive and liberalChristianity Is a warped
Christianity.
They're compromising God's word, and that's true.
You look at these, when youlook at these Progressive and

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liberal churches anddenominations, they do
compromise God's word and peopleget confused Between liberal
and conservative when talkingpolitically and theologically.
There's an overlap.
Okay, most conservative peopletheologically are conservative
politically, but they're not thesame.

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You can be conservativetheologically and liberal
politically, and vice versa.
There are different terms andwe do need to establish them
because they are important.
So I went on um, they'recompromising god's word.
I put um.
Then I put he's such a poorchristian.

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Then I put he's such a poorChristian, give me one second.
She responds.
The pastor in question isBaptist, not Episcopalian.
Your debate tactics, max Kurtz,provoke to anger, deflect,
confuse, change the subject.

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It isn't a good method.
You keep throwing out unrelatedbuzzwords to pull me off topic.
You seem extremely interestedin lesbians Interesting.
So she's insulting me.
She's doing what she's accusingme of doing.
She's insulting me and thensaying I'm throwing curveballs.

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Well, that's not true and shethought it was an insert to call
me like Charlie Kirk.
That's not an insult.
I was bringing to questionsomething that was important to
the conversation, so it's justsilly.

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And before this I sharedsomething I said he was such a
poor Christian that he sharedChrist and his salvation message
with people.
And I brought up Episcopaliansbeing liberal, because that's
where she goes now.
And I put I know you meant thatas an insult.

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After she was talking aboutafter her last comment, I wrote
I know you wrote that, as I knowyou mean that as an insult, but
comparing me to Charlie is likeone of the greatest
accomplishments you could evergive me.
Thank you.
And these aren't, um, thesearen't subjects.
It isn't a good method.
You keep okay, forgive me, um,and these aren't just buzzwords.

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Okay, let me reread my message.
I know you mean that as aninsult, but comparing me to
Charlie is like one of thegreatest accomplishments you can
give me, compliments you cangive me.
So thank you.
These aren't just buds words.
Many denominations have went andwent and churches have went
astray.
Would you say having ahomosexual pastor is wrong.

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She said this is so random.
We're not debating who can beordained.
Neither us can decide that,again, the pastor in question is
not a homosexual.
This is unrelated.
Why are you so drawn to gaypastors?
And she, she's.
She's accusing me of um.
This lady sally's accusing meof trying to just poke the bear

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and throw out ed haggum andattacks, when she keeps asking
me why do you care about me?
Why do you care about gaypastors?
Why do you care about lesbianpastors?
The whole argument started aboutwho a true ordained pastor
could be according to God's word.
That's, that's what I caredabout, that's what I wanted to
know.
So, and obviously, being ahomosexual would disqualify you

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from being a pastor, woulddisqualify you from being a
pastor.
I mean, it just would.
So I'm asking that question andI put I responded the
discussion and the question wasis everyone behind the pulpit or
everyone that is ordainedshould be a pastor?

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You left your church forwhatever reason, valid or
invalid and now go to adenomination that ordains
homosexuals.
I think that's fair to ask youIs it okay to be a homosexual
minister or does that violatequalifications to be a minister?

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And I'll read her comment.
She obviously acts like atypical liberal and very
unfaithful, very unchrist-liked.
And well, how dare you bring up, why are you being bringing up
personal attacks?
I wasn't personally attackingher.
This is relevant to theconversation.
You left a conservativebible-believing church to join a

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church that is pro-gay, thatordains homosexuals.
Can you be a homosexualminister?
That's what I'm asking her.
Does it violate thequalifications?
I want to know what shebelieves.
This whole conversation.
She refused to answer myquestion.
She just insulted me and saidoh, why do you care so much

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about lesbians?
Why do you care so much aboutgay pastors?
She knows why.
She's not stupid, she's beinghard-hearted, she's being
hateful.
That's all it is to it.
I want to keep reading.
Also, we've moved on to adhominem attacks.

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Very, charlie kirk, that's notan ad hominem attack, it's a
relevant question.
And thank you for calling melike charlie kirk, because then
you know what she's writing.
This one thing in this debate.
You know I'm not as smart askirk, I'm not saying that, but
if she she wants to call meCharlie Kirk, that's fine.
In this debate.
She is like one of these tonsof college campuses when Charlie

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would go to college campuses.
She's like one of these tons ofliberals that get mad and
frustrated, say attacks and thenaccuse Charlie of being an evil
Nazi, an evil racist.
That's what she's doing here.
She's not calling me a Naziracist.
That's what she's doing here.
She's not calling me a Nazi,but that's what she's doing here
.
The same tactics, just allhatred, demonic rage, whatever

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you want to call it.
Just pray for this lady.
I want her to be saved and I'mso afraid for her right now.
I'm not saying she's demonic,but I do believe her communist
influences have led her far awayfrom truth.
I respond that this is not an adhominem attack.

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I'm just asking you is ahomosexual minister qualified?
I've asked you several timesand you keep avoiding the
question also, I've asked youseveral times and you keep
avoiding the question Also.

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Sally, the man was justmurdered over a week ago.
Don't you see how?
And I said don't you see howthis rhetoric contributed to
that?
Okay, let me reread that AlsoSally, the man was just murdered
over a week ago.
Don't you see how dangerousyour rhetoric is?
You're not being tolerant,you're not being loving, you're
not being Christ-like.

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I'm not attacking you, I'm justtrying to get you to answer my
question.
I was.
I wanted her to answer myquestion, but she wanted to go
on a communist, anti-christianrant.
Here it is.
You're right, I could be moreChrist-like.
Charlie Kirk was a whitewashedtomb.
He did all his deeds to be seenby others.

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He loved the place of honor.
At events, he traveled acrossseas and land to make a single
convert.
When he, when someone became aconvert, kirk made him twice as
much a child of hell as himself.
He tithed the mint and dill andcoming and neglected the

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weights and measures of the law,justice, mercy and faithfulness
.
He, he was a blind guy that'sstraightening out a gnat and
swallowing a camel.
He outwardly appeared righteous, but inside was forgive me,

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these are all screenshots and Ihave to he outwardly appeared
righteous, but inside was fullof hypocrisy and lawlessness the
head's man's bones.
This is the word of God.
Yeah, okay, you know whatyou're doing here, sally.
You're twisting scripture.
You're being a sinful scripturetwister.
That's what you are.

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You're being a complete andutter jerk.
Yeah, those things are in theBible, but not because of
Charlie Kirk.
I mean, I quoted y'all guys.
Last week Charlie Kirk said youcan be a Democrat, you can be on
the left, but the mostimportant thing is you have
Jesus.
That's what he said.
He preached the true gospel.
That is not.

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Charlie Kirk did not createchildren of hell.
You sound like the Phariseethat accused Jesus of being
demonic when he rose people fromthe grave, when he gave people
the sight to see.
They couldn't refute that, sothey accused him of being
demonic.
You're using demonic powers.
That's what you're doing toCharlie Kirk.

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And be careful.
Remember what our Savior said.
He said this Whoever sinsagainst the Son of man can be
forgiven, but whoever commitsblasphemy of the Holy Spirit
will have the unpardonable sin.
You're denying God.
That's what you're doing Inyour heart In the inspiration of
the Holy Spirit.

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I'm not saying you committedblasphemy of the Holy Spirit,
but you're dangerously close Tosaying that Kirk made twice as
many children of hell when hepreached the death, burial and
resurrection of our savior.
I don't see that at yourcommunist crap.
I don't see Bernie Sanderstalking about the death, burial
and resurrection of Jesus.
I don't see people Sanderstalking about the death, burial

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and resurrection of Jesus.
I don't see people on the farleft and on the communist side,
talking about the death, burialand resurrection of Jesus Christ
.
You know why I don't see that?
Because communism is normallyutterly opposed to Christianity.
Communists have killed moreChristians than the Romans ever
did, and I'm about I'm prettysure I'm right on that, you can
double check me.
They've killed a crap ton of mybrothers and sisters, eastern

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Orthodox Catholics, protestants.
They have killed us all.
So, yeah, you can hold on toyour stupid Marxist ideology.
And listen, I'm not rich.
I'm far from it.
I go to work every single day,I make my car payment, I do what
I have to do.
I would probably be on thelower end of the totem pole when
it comes to income, but thelast thing I want is Marxism,

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because I love my Christianbrothers and sisters and it
doesn't freaking work.
So yeah, be a Marxist Christian,be a Nazi moron.
Call my brother, my modernbrother, charlie kirk, a child
of hell.
And I may, someone who madechildren of hell.
But the only child of hellright now I see is you, sally,

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and I pray for your repentance.
You don't have to grieve,charlie.
Politically you can be ademocrat and be saved.
But what right now you'resaying is I don't know.
I've struggled all week with it.
It breaks my heart.
You bring up social justice.
I'm going to keep reading whenshe brings up James, true and

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undefiled religion is caring forthe poor, the childless and the
widow.
Yeah, amen, I agree with that.
That doesn't mean communism.
Show me where Jesus advocatedfor communism.
Oh well, he'd say take.
If you have two coats, give oneto your neighbor.
Yeah, he's talking aboutindividual persons, but why is
it?
Why is it the communists andleftists always want to apply

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the words of christ and thewords of the bible when it comes
to giving to the poor, but notwhen it comes to the sword of
justice or not when it comes toimmigrants assimilating.
You talk about welcoming theimmigrant and amen, we should,
but not about simulation.
You don't want to talk aboutRuth saying your God will be my
God and your people will be mypeople.
You use the Bible when it'sconvenient to you and then, when

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we use it, you say that we'recreating a theocracy of
Christian nationalism.
You're a hypocrite uponhypocrites.
We are not the same.
And yeah, is there people onthe right who has misused the
Bible for political gains?
That doesn't really believescripture Absolutely.
I question President Trumpconstantly.

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Is he just saying this becausehe wants to be good with
evangelicals or does he believeit?
And I think he's partiallystruggling with it?
I don't believe he's saved.
I don't know the man's heart,but it doesn't seem like he's
saved, and that'll make a lot ofmaggot Christians mad.
I don't care.
When he suggests work, workbased salvation over his peace

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deals that God would let himinto heaven.
I'm sorry that's not howsalvation works.
But yeah, this gets me fired upbecause it's utter insanity.
It's utter insanity.
It shows how evil Marxism is,and even leftism.
That's not Marxism.
That's why I get scared aboutDemocrat Christians.

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There are Democrat Christians Ilove that are my brothers and
sisters in Christ.
I believe they're misled.
They are my brothers andsisters in Christ.
I believe they're misled.
But to be a Marxist and aChristian, I'm not saying that.
No person that's ever had aMarxist belief don't say that.
I don't believe that.
Heck, I'm more populist.
This is why this is so stupid.
Yeah, I might be very, veryoutspoken socially conservative,

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but guess what?
I'm not a traditionalRepublican economist.
I'm not.
I'm a populist.
Trump is closer to the Democratsfinancially than George W Bush
was, but you hate him with everyounce of your soul.
Why is he not a communist?
Let's keep reading.

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I responded If you would saythat about Charlie Kirk, you
would likely say it about anyoneon the right who was a
political activist.
Was he a political activist?
Yes, but he also preached thedeath, burial and resurrection

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of Jesus Christ and theforgiveness of sins.
Let me share this quote fromhim.
But he also preached the death,burial and resurrection of
Jesus Christ and the forgivenessof sins.
Let me share this quote fromhim you can be a Democrat, you
can be on the left, I don't care.
Jesus is, honestly, the mostimportant thing.
Then I said there's a woman atmy church who votes Democrat,
who strongly disagrees withTrump.

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She knows where I stand too.
We get along well.
She is my sister in the faith.
Um, when Charlie Kirk waskilled, she didn't belittle him
or call him names.
She simply said she disagreedwith his views but was
heartbroken.
He was murdered and I told youabout that over.
Yeah it's true.
And then she just put thosearen't my words, they're Jesus's

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words.
I wouldn't say that aboutanyone on the right, but I would
certainly say it about CharlieKirk.
The shoe fits so, cold hearted,this is the party of love and
tolerance.
You don't.
I don't see the love, I don'tsee the tolerance that you've
been preaching.
I'm sorry.

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I don't see the bleeding heartliberal right now.
I see a cold hearted communistthat has betrayed Christ for
communism.
And then I put this real shortthere's nothing more I can say

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to you.
You obviously made your heartcold and hard, putting Marxism
before the Bible, before thegospel.
And she responded I do notaccept your assessment of my
heart.
I just get the whole snap, snapthing.
I don't accept your assessmentof my heart.
My heart is soft toward theloss, toward the poor widow and

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the powerless, the hurting andthe needy.
My heart is soft for a grievingwife and two children who miss
their father.
If my heart is hard, it isbecause Jesus made my heart hard
toward religious people.
He used grace as a weapon.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
It was.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
James who made my heart hard toward the the
wealthy who kept backs of thewages of the workers marks, who
made my um.
It was james who made my hearthard toward the wealth wealthy
who kept the wages of theirworkers marks, who made my heart

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hard toward capitalism.
But James and Jesus started theprocess.
My heart can be hardened andsoft simultaneously.
Well, you look like you havesuch a soft, nice heart.
You're so nice, awesome, please, I believe I'm going to pull up

(31:59):
the quote she's quoting fromjames.
Okay, and this is part of thebook of james I believe she's
referencing, and she could alsobe mentioning, other parts of
james.
But this is the big onereligion that god, our father,
accepts as pure and faultless asthis to look upon the orphan
and the widows and theirdistress and to keep oneself

(32:23):
from being polluted by the world.
So providing for them, helpingthem, loving them.
Yes and amen.
And you know what?
I see conservative Christiansall the time trying to help
people.
At my church we give to amissionary that helps Christians
in the underground church.
In Iran we have a guy thathelps at a homeless shelter.

(32:44):
I've helped.
Try to give him stuff, not tobrag on myself.
I've tried to give him supplies.
We have a woman that works in apregnancy resource center that
helps to save lives, even thoughyou vote for the party to kill
them.
Um, so we have these things.
I am a big believer in christiancharity.

(33:05):
I'm a big believer in personalcharity and I'm a big believer
in the government helping thosewho can't help themselves or
just need, or just need help.
That's why it's so stupid.
I'm a populist, but no, nothingis ever enough.
You can't be a good christianunless you're a communist,

(33:26):
unless you hate someone likecharlie kirk.
Absurd to me.
It's absurd to me.
We have two people, um, we havepeople all over the internet
they're losing their jobs forcelebrating the death.
And I say that's good If you'regoing to celebrate the death of
Charlie Kirk, I do not care ifyou lose your job.
Two professors at EastTennessee State University, not

(33:48):
far from here, were suspended,one was fired, one was forced to
resign Good riddance.
And then I've heard people well, you're just part of Woe Cry,
you just want to cancel people.
No, listen.
Um, when I made the case that,uh, leftists were just shutting
down free speech and they kindof were um, I understand, they

(34:09):
weren't in you, they weren'tusing the heavy hand of the
government, but they were sayingif you believe homosexuality
and abortions a sin, well, we'renot going to give you a movie.
If you, if you vote the wrongway, we're not going to put you.
Well, we're not going to giveyou a movie If you, if you vote
the wrong way, we're not goingto put you in a play.
We're not going to air yourmusic Um, very frowned upon even
across, you know, middle-classAmerica around the water cooler,

(34:30):
even frowned upon, um, just,even in the working class.
Better be careful what you poston social media if you vote
republican.
So yeah, there's always anoverton window, but if you're
gonna make fun of someone'sdeath, then guess what I, I you
know, I'm willing to say I don'tcare, I don't care if the

(34:54):
person's a writer at a left.
If you're gonna make fun ofsomeone's death, I would fire
you.
If there was someone that madefun of the death of the um, the
individuals that were killed inMinnesota that were Democrats.
I would fire them in a heartbeat.
In a heartbeat, um, but youknow, I, I want to, I want to

(35:19):
before we get on too muchfurther.
Um, you know, jimmy kimmel saidsomething very insensitive and
he got it was more thansensitive.
He's just complete another jerkand he lied.
And the fcc commissioner saidsomething like I have to pull up
the quote.
Um, I'm sorry, if I wasn't sotired of our, I would have
already had a port pulled out.
He said something like I haveto pull up the quote.
I'm sorry, if I wasn't so tiredof art, I would have already

(35:40):
had a port pulled out.
He said something like we mighthave to start cracking down on
false information, and it wasfalse information what he said.
Abc has now reinstated Kimmel,but a lot of the affiliates with

(36:00):
abc are saying we're still notgoing to air kimball.
So, um, kimball's kind of gothis job back, but um, kind of
iffy.
So I'm actually going to playyou guys something that a friend
sent me um, he's a pastor atseven mile ford and a church at

(36:20):
seven mile ford called trinitychapel, but before he was ever a
pastor he worked in radio foryears still operates a radio
station, um in chihuahua calledmy christian radio and I want to
play you guys his fault on theissue, because I asked him.
I don't understand the FCCstuff and this guy knows what

(36:43):
he's talking about.
He's got a really cool show Ilike listening to.
It's called Truth to Ponder andI actually want to have him on
one day.
So this is Pastor Bob.
Well, thanks.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Josh, you had asked me a while back if I could kind
of give an idea of what is goingon, with these late night TV
programs being canceled, whatthe FCC can and cannot do.
What did Brandon Carr say?
He's the chairman of the FCC.
What authority does he or theFCC even have over network

(37:16):
programs?
So let me just kind of give areal quick history and a small
background.
The FCC came into being many,many years ago.
It started out as the FederalRadio Commission in the earliest
days of radio to avoidinterference problems and
eventually to keep obscenity offthe air, and communications act

(37:39):
of 1936 added a lot ofregulations, some of which have
outlived their usefulness.
Then television comes along,cable, satellite, and so the FCC
has been involved primarily atthe station level.
In other words, they don'tregulate networks.

(37:59):
In fact, networks like ABC, nbc, cbs, fox and there are others
as well they are just content orprogram providers.
Now I produce a radio program.
I don't need an FCC license toproduce a radio program, but the
radio stations that air myprogram do.

(38:21):
In other words, I don't have toanswer to the FCC for anything
regarding my radio program, andyou wouldn't either if you're
doing your own.
So understand that, the limitedeffect of the FCC, but the
truth is and I'm going to giveyou my opinion I am a free

(38:42):
speech kind of guy and I don'twant to play the same games on
those that I disagree with asthey did on me for the past five
years in the radio program Iproduced.
The cancel culture came afterme.
For years I was deplatformed,threatened to be taken off

(39:03):
stations, all kinds of things,and that was purely censorship
for political reasons.
Of course, much of ourdiscussion today revolves around
the assassination of CharlieKirk, and one of the great
quotes of Charlie Kirk go backabout a year or so ago.
He said and he wrote this on Xlast year he said hate speech

(39:29):
does not exist legally inAmerica.
In other words, in his view andlisten to me carefully on this,
this will make sense CharlieKirk said, said really there's
no hate speech, and this is whatthe left has been trying to use
against christians andconservatives for ages, calling
the things that we say hatespeech.

(39:49):
You're, you're an islamophobe,you're a homophobe and and on
and on and on.
It goes or you're anti-scienceand you hate.
You know you hate people thatare gay, you hate people that
are transgender.
And charlie kirk was correctwhen he said we really don't.
We don't legally hate speechdoes not exist.
We have ugly speech, there isgrotesque speech, there is evil

(40:14):
speech and he correctly said allof that is protected by the
First Amendment and Iwholeheartedly agree.
Senator Ted Cruz out of Texas,I admire him and I respect him
and I find myself in agreementon almost everything that he
stands for.

(40:34):
But even he made that littlemistake about hate speech and
and I think that you know I meanI hope he takes it back.
We don't need to be censoringspeech.
We need the marketplace ofideas to be opened without the
violent and vicious cancelculture.

(40:55):
I don't want to be accused.
As a conservative and somebodythat produces a radio program,
I've already faced those tryingto come after me.
I am not going to go after yourprogram even if I completely
and totally disagree with itscontent.
Just because I don't like it, Idon't need the power of the

(41:17):
government to suppress it.
So let's kind of break down whathas happened with the tv
programs and, to be honest, alot of what is being said,
particularly on the left, istotally nonsensical and it's
just, it's stupid stuff.
The reality, these late-nightso-called comedy programs are

(41:42):
not comedy anymore, they arepurely political.
And all the big ones hadsomething in common that were on
ABC, nbc and CBS.
All of them had something incommon over the past 10 to 15
years.
Something in common over thepast 10 to 15 years their

(42:06):
audiences have been decliningand aging or dying off.
There was a time that some ofthese programs were getting like
three and four million viewersa night.
That's pretty good for a latelate night program at 11 30 at
night.
Late late night program at 1130 at night, that really is
pretty good.
And the prime demographicslooked really great, which is
your 18 to 49 or 50 year olds,somewhere in that bracket.

(42:27):
That that's what theadvertisers are looking for to
sell their product.
The problem has been theseprograms are insufferable when
it comes to politics.
They've chased off 55 percentof their prospective audience
and probably a big chunk of evenindependence because of their
extremism in politics andthey're money losers.

(42:51):
And to give you an idea, I livefor a number of years in
florida in a small well,actually a medium-sized county,
and that county is about 300,000people Medium-sized county,
300,000 people.
To give you an idea of anothercounty that size, think of about

(43:13):
Asheville, north Carolina,buncombe County around 300,000
people.
It's not massive.
The prime demographic audiencefor Kimmel had dropped down to
literally 150,000 viewers in theprime 18 to 49 demographic.

(43:38):
You can't sustain a program,paying a host millions of
dollars and production crews andwriters.
You just can't do it.
It doesn't make any sense, andso I'm certain that this has
become an issue.
When Joe Biden was in the WhiteHouse, they could absorb the

(43:58):
loss.
By the way little side note,just having to think about this
the View, which is a totallypolitical disaster program.
That's all it is.
It is full of phony informationand politics and it comes under
the ABC News division, notentertainment.
It is actually funded by thenews division.

(44:22):
The problem ABC, nbc and CBS arerunning into is they're
shedding audience way too fastand they can't afford these guys
.
And so, as these so-calledtalentless in my opinion, former
comedians that are no longerfunny get on the TV and just

(44:44):
chase away more audience, thesenetworks are having to respond.
Now, in the case of Kimmel,most recently, the FCC had
nothing to do with it.
The government had nothing todo with it.
They can make their claims,they can say what they want to
say, but they had zero to dowith it.
The government had nothing todo with it.
They can make their claims,they can say what they want to
say, but they had zero influenceon what happened.
What actually happened wasremember, abc does not own all

(45:07):
that.
They only own a tiny number ofTV stations, but there are
hundreds of affiliates that justbasically sign on to receive
programming from ABC justbasically sign on to receive
programming from ABC and itstarted with like 40 or more
affiliates.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
after the terrible and idiotic remark, and just to
remind your audience of what wassaid, this is the quote from
Jimmy Kimmel that sparked allthe outrage we had some new lows
over the weekend, with the MAGAgang desperately trying to
characterize this kid whomurdered Charlie Kirk as

(45:44):
anything other than one of themand doing everything they can to
score political points from it.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Okay, there's what Jimmy Kimmel actually said the
Monday after Charlie Kirk hadbeen assassinated, trying to say
that you know, hey, the MAGApeople.
You know the Trump supporters,the conservatives, the
Republican, the shooter was oneof them.
And yet by the time that JimmyKimmel was even having his

(46:10):
scriptwriter put together thatprogram, it was already dead
obvious that that was not thecase.
The guy was not MAGA at all.
I mean, he had already rejectedeverything his parents stood
for.
He was not a registeredconservative, he was adopting
and had been arguing with hisparents over the past years, in

(46:33):
particular about causes, and hehad moved to the very leftist
side.
So to try to imply this was adirty and absolutely despicable
thing that Kimmel did.
He lied and ABC lost someaffiliates or they were
threatening to leave, and so thehead of Disney, iker, and

(46:57):
another programming person.
They reached out to JimmyKimmel and said look, you got to
turn the heat down and, by theway, what you said was not true.
You're going to have to correctthe record.
Jimmy Kimmel decided and thisis now known it was like no, I'm
not going to do that.
And he planned on the next dayafter he'd been told this is no

(47:21):
good.
He was going to double down andrepeat it and amplify it.
And ABC Disney they said youcan't do it.
And so when he said I will notobey what I'm being told to do
by the people that write mypaycheck, the people that wrote
his paycheck suspended him fornot doing what he's told as an

(47:44):
employee.
I mean ABC Disney had toprotect their own financial
interest.
You just had 40 TV stations saywe are no longer airing Jimmy
Kimmel and other groupsthreatening to do the same if
something wasn't done.
This was, if you want the truth, was absolutely and only an

(48:07):
economic decision.
Go back not long ago, colbert.
There's another person thatfalsely believes he's a comedian
.
He is not.
He's not a comedian at all.
He's just an old hack that youknow tried to cash in and he

(48:29):
goes to the extreme leftistaudience which is shrinking and
dying off.
Cbs basically said next year,when your contract is up in may,
the program comes to an end.
They could have fired him, butthey decided just to announce
that they're not renewing acontract.
There's nothing that thatstephen colbert can do about

(48:51):
that.
Contracts over programs overcbs is not going to continue
with that kind of a program.
The late night program thatthey had the late, late show,
whatever they called it.
It's over its history.
And then you look at whathappened at abc.
They've had to make the samefinancial decision I'm just

(49:11):
going to.
So it's not the FCC and, like Isay, I respect a lot of
politicians.
I think they misunderstand ourown regulations when it comes to
the FCC.
I've been dealing with the FCCfor 50-some-odd years and I've
been in many a hearing, so Ipretty well understand the law

(49:32):
and so these were reallyeconomic decisions.
I mean, if you go back, think ofsome of the things that were
said just a few years ago.
Let's Stephen Colbert.
You know he had that song youknow about.
You know the vaccine.
Everybody has to get vaccinated.
Then you had it.
Has to get vaccinated.

(49:54):
Then you had it.
And once again, you look atJimmy Kimmel and the way what he
thought about people notgetting the vaccine.
If you're having a heart attackand you're unvaccinated, just
go die.
You're not allowed to eat.
He wanted to ban people fromthe hospital.
Did ABC do anything about it?
Of course not.
Joe Biden is in office.
They lean to the left and allthe complaining in the world
meant nothing because they stillhad an audience, but over the

(50:19):
past four or five years thataudience has been cut by way
more than half.
So no, it's purely economicsthat are driving this.
I for one there's a lot ofspeech out there I detest, but
I'm going to remind you ofsomebody that made a great
statement and it goes back tojust before the French

(50:42):
Revolution a guy by the name ofVoltaire.
Voltaire is a guy that I wouldprobably, if I was to sit down
and have a cup of coffee or teaor whatever with him.
He and I would probably if Iwas to sit down and have a cup
of coffee or tea or whateverwith him, he and I would be
probably disagreeing on everymajor issue on the planet.
But he did say something towhich I firmly agree.
He said that I may completelydisagree with what you have to

(51:07):
say, but I will fight to thedeath your right to say it, with
what you have to say, but Iwill fight to the death your
right to say it.
And as Americans, we need tohave this open forum of ideas,
and that's what Charlie Kirk wastrying to do have an exchange
of ideas in a forum.
In other words, he didn't tryto cancel anybody, he didn't try

(51:28):
to suppress anybody, anybody.
And a lot of what is being saidabout him are totally out of
context quotes.
I there was a I nailed a fewpeople that were sending me all
this cut and paste silliness ofthese so-called quotes from his
program.
Well, you go to those programsbecause they gave the date and
you find the quote and you, youexpand, you extend it so you can

(51:49):
hear the context, and they'retaking it out of context
grotesquely.
That's not how you win in anintellectual battle by being
dishonest, but the left has beendishonest.
So what it comes down to is letthe marketplace decide, let
there be a free exchange ofideas without viciousness.

(52:11):
Cancel culture or violence.
I don't want to cancel the leftand I don't want the left to
cancel me.
And there's some hope in allthis too.
Let's go back about 25 years ago.
Not quite 25 years ago, talkradio had grown substantially,
starting in the late 1980s,through the 1990s and into the

(52:33):
early 2000s.
Rush Limbaugh was on top of hisgame and audience and many
others were coming along rightbehind him.
And after George W Bush becamepresident, al Gore raised
millions of dollars frominvestors to start what was
called Air America.
In other words, it's going tobe a liberal talk show network

(52:56):
and they hired some of the bestliberal talk show potential
people they could find.
And, a matter of fact, there'sone that I know that moved from
Florida to New York to be a partof this and she deeply
regretted it later.
They went out.
They even purchased radiostations so they wouldn't have

(53:16):
to even get affiliates.
They went bankrupt in a fewyears because nobody was
listening.
But see, that's the marketplaceof ideas.
Let the people make thedecision.
Don't force them to have tohear you, but don't suppress
somebody and their view.
Just like, and I'll leave it atthis Josh, my primary motivator

(53:39):
for everything I do is not somuch politics.
Politics is becomingincreasingly something I find I
could care less about.
I know that I live in this world.
I know I'm in this world butI'm not of it.
But I know that doing that,yeah, I still vote and I always
choose the candidate.
That's the smallest threat tomy faith, my family, my finances

(54:05):
and my future.
That's how I choose a candidateand, yes, I do vote and I
recognize that I'm not votingfor the head.
I choose a candidate and, yes,I do vote and I recognize and
I'm not voting for the headpastor of a church.
I mean, we have to get thatthought out of our mind.
We are salt and light in thisworld and I just want the
ability to shine the light oftruth where it needs to be shown

(54:26):
.
And even though we do know theday will come when Christ shall
return again, I will still beacting as salt.
Salt in Bible times was apreservative.
We work to be a preservativeand shine the light of God's
truth to a lost and dying world,and so, no, I I want the

(54:54):
ability to speak freely and notbe canceled, to be well, to be
literally sacrosanct.
Now, I hope what I explained inin what is going on, that it's
really economics, not ideology,that drove these guys off the
air, that that's really thetruth, though they'll try to the
left will try to milk it for alie, for something that it isn't

(55:14):
, but that, my friends, isreality.
And so, josh, I hope that whatI shared today with your
audience actually made somesense.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
And that was Pastor Bob.
Yeah, he sent in that, thatclip, and I truly appreciated
him sending in that clip.
Um, like I said, he's been inradio for years.
He helped.
He runs a radio station now and, uh, chill, how we, but you,
how we, and um, if y'all havewatched the charlie kirk

(55:49):
memorial or even a portion of it, I think is a wonderful
memorial.
Yes, there are peopleall havewatched the charlie kirk
memorial or even a portion of it.
I think it's a wonderfulmemorial.
Yes, there are people that haveused the cross and the bible on
the conservative side that weredoing it for just political
purposes.
But charlie wasn't charlie.
Um was truly a man of god andum, I believe he became more and
more so man of God later in hisyears.

(56:10):
He is political, but sometimesI believe we have to be
political.
I actually want to play you aclip from Charlie, expending
upon that right now.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
I will be honest, though in 2012, 13, 14, 15, 16,
I felt a lot more passive abouttalking about my faith, because
I was kind told not to, both bypastors and politicians.
Wow, if you think about it,pastors like don't you dare
bring that in here, don't bringit in the church.
I grew up in a churchenvironment that you do not talk
about politics, you do not talkabout philosophy, you just talk
about the bible, we just do thegospel.
That's it, which, of course, is, I believe, unbiblical right.
Nehemiah, jeremiah, esther,mordecai, daniel, amongst many

(56:50):
others, were all politicalfigures.
Yeah, fasted and prayed for thenation.
Even deborah's yeah, exactly,the counselors to the king yes,
so there's many examples of that.
But then also politicians likeoh, no, no, keep that christian
stuff away, we just care abouttax cuts and all this other
nonsense.
But look, I don't blame peoplefor saying that.
I'm a political guy.
That is job Right, and so I'mfocused on the second most

(57:11):
important thing that I think ahuman being can focus on.
So then, of course, everyonesays what's the first thing?
Okay, well, the first thing iswinning souls for Jesus Christ,
most important thing.
Well then, charlie, what's thesecond thing?
Let's make sure you can do thefirst thing.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Absolutely.
What's the first thing?
To make sure you can win soulsto Jesus Christ.
What's the second thing?
To make sure you can do thefirst thing Absolutely?
And if you've watched theservice, chris Tomlin had two
songs from him.
He might have done more songs,but two songs from him.
That was beautiful.

(57:46):
Just a whole NFL stadiumworshiping God, people hearing
about Christ.
If I could, I'd play it for you, but it would get struck down.
But it's just a beautiful thing.
I want to play you somethingfrom Pastor Mike Winger about

(58:06):
why I believe Charlie is amartyr and I know this episode
is going to stretch a littlelong today, but just bear with
me.
If you've made it this far, it'snot too much longer.
But here's a clip of that.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
I believe that Charlie Kirk was a martyr.
Now you might think, but hewasn't technically for the
preaching of the gospel, mike.
It wasn't specifically,probably because of the gospel.
It was because of trans issuesor feminism or marriage and
family issues that's Christianvalues getting him martyred.
And I think we have an examplein scripture of somebody who, if
you're going to say Kirk wasn'ta martyr, then I think you'd
have to say John the Baptistwasn't a martyr.

(58:41):
John the Baptist was not forpreaching the Lamb of God who
takes away the sin of the world.
John the Baptist was because heheld up moral values to the
political power of Herod and hesaid your incestuous
relationship with your brother'swife, this is wrong.
And he spoke openly about itand it got him.
John is absolutely a martyr andhe's not the only martyr in
scripture who was for holding upmoral values in a political

(59:03):
fashion.
Scripture says precious in thesight of the Lord is the death
of his saints.
That's a verse I would use forCharlie.
I think he was for hisChristian beliefs.
Not everything he said wasnecessarily biblical or always
consistent with those veryChristian values.
There's going to be areas ofdisagreement, but what I've
learned from Charlie is, he canhandle disagreement, and I can
certainly handle disagreement,can you?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I believe that's true , but I want to play you the
clip of Erica Kirk, a verystrong clip.
Keep her in your prayers.
Still, she's been a very greatrole model for women, I believe,
and so I want to play you aclip of her.
So this is a clip of Erica Kirkforgiving her husband's

(59:44):
assassin.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
My husband Charlie.
My husband, charlie.

(01:00:21):
He wanted to save young men,just like the one who took his
life.
That young man, that young manOn the cross, our Savior said
Father, forgive them for theynot know what they do.
That man, that young man, Iforgive him, thank you.

(01:01:35):
I forgive him because it waswhat Christ did and is what
Charlie would do.
The answer to hate is not hate.
The answer we know from thegospel is love and always love.
The answer we know from thegospel is love and always love,

(01:01:58):
love for our enemies and lovefor those who persecute us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
She's right.
I know some people have saidwell, if Erica can forgive him,
that means we shouldn't give himthe death penalty.
That's not true.
It's still the government's jobto bear the sword and I'm going
over, so I'm not going to dothe Bible verse of the day, but
Romans 13 is the government'sjob to bear the sword pursuing

(01:02:22):
the evildoers.
But I'm glad Erica forgave him.
You can still forgive him andpursue justice.
You can still pray for this man.
I encourage you to, as hard asit is forgiving our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespassagainst us.

(01:02:42):
Donald Trump's speech afterwardhe said Charlie was a better man
than me.
He forgave his enemies, heloved his enemies and I hate my
enemies.
I hate them.
I want to destroy them.
Basically what Trump said andsome people have said well, this
is a horrible thing for Trumpto say.
It's a horrible thing for Trumpto have in his heart that he

(01:03:08):
hates his enemies.
That is horrible.
But what he was saying wasn'tparticularly horrible.
He was saying Charlie was abetter man than him himself.
And, uh, that's what thepresident was admitting.
So keep her, erica and her twochildren in your prayers.
Uh, also keep Frank Turek inyour prayers.
He was a Christian apologistwho saw the murder front hand.

(01:03:33):
I've known about Frank for awhile, very courageous man in
Christ.
But let me be blunt.
The radical left and theirreaction to Charlie Kirk's death
has been disgusting gleefulmemes, cruel jokes, even open
celebration.
And I need to say it loud andclear we are not the same, we're

(01:03:58):
not guys.
When George Floyd died, peopleacross the political perspective
and there were people on theright if you did make fun of
this, you were wrong and Icalled you out on it and other
people did too but we were onthe.
When George Floyd died, peopleacross the political spectrum,
including many of us on theright, mourned, Even those who

(01:04:21):
questioned the riots, even thosewho disagreed with the politics
and still recognized the man'sloss of life.
And we didn't burn down cities,we didn't burn down cars and
loot, we didn't dance in thestreets, we didn't mock his

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family, we didn't grieve,because life is sacred.
We are not the same.
They did do that, they didgrieve.
I mean, when we were grievingthey were laughing.
We didn't have to act likesomeone to honor the basic
dignity of a human being.
That's a line we refuse tocross.
But today, too many on theradical left are crossing it

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without hesitation.
And I tell you this thiscelebrating death isn't activism
, it's hatred, it's a rot of thesoul.
So here's my challenge to youguys Don't just shake your head
and move on.
Call out the hypocrisy when yousee it.
Refuse to let bitterness andcruelty define who we are.

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Stand up for decency, notbecause it is easy, but because
it is right.
When we are tempted to hate, wechoose to rise above.
We choose to rise above.
We are not the same and noteveryone on the right is good
and Christian, but I pray forthem to be.
But it's not just right or left, it's right and wrong.

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We are not the same.
We are not the same.
That doesn't mean I don't loveDemocrats, because there are
brothers and sisters that areDemocrats.
But I would be lying to tellyou if I didn't believe that
there wasn't a demonic influenceon that party and some people
that vote for the party.

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That doesn't mean all and itdoesn't mean a majority.
But when I saw, when I've seen,the reactions of Charlie Kirk's
death and people celebrating,they would celebrate my death
and your death.
They do not care about us whenyou're preaching on the street
or evangelizing or loving orpraying for someone.

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We know that quite a bit of thecountry would laugh at you if
you died brutally in front ofyour wife and kids.
We are not the same, so I prayfor our country.
May God bless you, and we'll beback here next week, hopefully
talking about the life of KingDavid as we get back into that

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series.
God bless you.