July 29, 2025 • 60 mins
The most important question anyone will ever answer is "Who is Jesus?" because how we respond determines everything in this life and the next.
• Different faith traditions have vastly different views of Jesus that fall short of biblical truth
• Jewish perspective often sees Jesus as merely a failed revolutionary against Rome
• Muslims view Jesus as a great prophet but deny his divinity and resurrection
• Mormonism teaches Jesus is a created being, spiritually related to Lucifer
• The Trinity is essential to understanding Jesus as eternally God the Son
• Biblical evidence for the Trinity includes Genesis 1:26, John 1:1-3, and Luke 3:21-22
• Jesus claimed to be the only way to salvation, not just one path among many
• God's grace is sufficient to cover our ongoing struggles with sin
• Theology matters – a false Jesus (even one that seems close to the biblical Jesus) cannot save
• When we sin after salvation, we're "playing with the nails" that pierced Jesus' hands
Please keep me in prayer as I feel God calling me to share the gospel more actively in my community, holding signs with Bible verses and engaging people in conversations about Jesus.
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's overopinionated with Josh Klott apologize.
I said I was going to get thisout this weekend and I wasn't
able to, but I may just try torecord on Saturday or Sunday and
then release it Monday for theweek.
I'm still feeling around.
I'm still very young topodcasting.
I am trying very hard.
I've had some personal issueswith my car, I had to get a new
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car and other things.
I'm not a big podcaster but Icare about this podcast because
I care about my listeners whotune in and we're small but
steady.
We still get those numberssmall but steady and everybody
matters.
But ultimately, no matter whatyou do, if it's podcasting, if
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it's whatever, okay, we do itfor an audience of one, because
if we don't do it for theaudience of one, then it becomes
the reason we're doing it foris ourselves.
We're the one we're trying toplease other than God.
Today's episode is not politicalat all, although there is a ton
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of political news out this week.
This podcast isn't just aboutpolitics.
This podcast is mostly aboutbiblical truth.
Hopefully that's what itbecomes, but we're going to
address politics because that'ssomething I'm fairly
knowledgeable in.
With that being said, I do wantto offer a correction of the
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last podcast, I said that theRepublican presidential debates
were going to come up next month.
I was wrong.
I think they're coming up nextweek and I will do a review of
that.
That's all I'm going to sayabout the term of politics, but
I want to talk about something Ithink is the ultimate question
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that anyone could ever answer.
It's the most importantquestion you will ever answer in
your life, and that is who isJesus?
Okay, there's a lot of thingsthat he's not and there's a lot
of things that he is, and thewant you answer who Jesus is and
who Jesus is in your life willdetermine everything in your
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life here and after.
So we've got to get this right.
Who is Jesus To Jews?
Jesus was just a rebel who waskilled for trying to overthrow
the Roman Empire.
Okay, I got a little clip fromthe conservative commentator
from the Daily Wire, ben Shapiro, and I personally really like
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Ben Shapiro.
I pray for his salvation, but Iwant you to hear what he thinks
Jesus is, who he thinks Jesusis.
This is from an interview fromthe Joe Rogan podcast from Ben
Shapiro.
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From a Jewish point of view, where we don't believe
in the divinity of Christ.
There you can make an argumentthat the Gospels which were
written he was just a prophet.
No, no, no, we don't evenbelieve he was a prophet.
What do you think he was?
What do you guys think what Ithink he was?
Historically, I think he was aJew who tried to lead a revolt
against the Romans and gotkilled for his trouble, just
like a lot of other Jews at thattime who were crucified for
trying to lead revolts againstthe Romans and got killed for
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their trouble.
You know from a Jew.
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Just a Jew who tried to lead a revolt against Rome
and killed for his trouble.
Now, obviously, Ben is of adifferent faith than I am.
I am.
He's a Jew and I'm a Christian.
But he's fundamentally wrong onwho Jesus was.
He was not just a Jew who led arevolt against Rome and was
killed for his trouble.
He was the sacrifice and theLamb of God that came down
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before he made the world.
He knew he would have to comedown and sacrifice himself and
die for the saved.
He knew that he made thatchoice.
He didn't lead a revolt againstRome.
He said to Pilate if this wasof my kingdom, I would have my
disciples fight back I'mparaphrasing but I'm of the
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kingdom of God.
Now, obviously, there's a bigrift between Jews and Christians
, and I love Jewish people, as Ithink God loves Jewish people
and has blessed Jewish peoplegreatly.
But when you have preachersthat say Jewish people have
salvation, they're not beingvery loving.
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Jewish people have salvation,they're not being very loving or
they have very bad theology orboth, because Jesus is the
Jewish Messiah.
He is the only way to theFather.
You cannot be saved withoutJesus, even if you're the
historical seed of Abraham, okay.
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So that's why I pray for BenShapiro daily to get salvation.
I like him.
I listen to his podcast almostevery day I disagree with him,
and I disagree with him on somefinancial issues because I'm
more of a populist on politics,but when it comes to culture,
when it comes to overall socialconservatism and the lives of
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the unborn, I think Ben has donea good work and, believe it or
not, I think God has used BenShapiro, but he's not saved,
he's in rebellion.
And theology matters.
Okay, folks, some people willsay, well, I don't want to talk
about theology, let's just talkabout Jesus' love.
If you're going to talk aboutJesus, you're going to talk
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about theology.
It's just the study of God andthe study of scripture.
It's not an evil word.
People make politics to be anevil word.
Religion and theology those arenot evil words.
Now, do I want to be religiousin the sense that I have to do
this and jump this hoop and dothat to get saved?
No, I believe Christianity is arelationship between me and God
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, god and me.
But am I religious in the sensethat I believe in God?
Yes, so it depends whatdefinition we're talking about.
Politics, religion, theology,these are not bad and scary
words.
They are words that have dividedpeople but we need to have,
regardless of your theology,regardless of your politics and
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regardless of your religion weneed to have these serious
conversations discussing ourdifferences, and we need debates
in a respectful manner Insteadof saying I'm afraid of conflict
, I'm going to run away.
We've ran away too much.
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I love my grandfather.
He's a good, godly man, buthe'll always say you know, avoid
this.
You know, avoid this topic.
If you're going to talk to aMormon, you know, avoid this,
avoid this topic.
If you're going to talk to aMormon, just try not to bring.
If I don't bring up the gospelto a Mormon, how can they be
saved?
What if it's my job at Walmartwhen I run into a Mormon and
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we're chatting?
What if it's my job to tellthem about the real Jesus?
I can't just say I'm not goingto do this because I'm afraid of
confrontation.
Paul argued with people.
It said he reasoned with people.
Now, was Paul ugly?
Was Paul mean?
No, when he was reasoning withpeople, no.
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Now Paul did get stern.
He was a father that wouldcorrect his children sternly.
And when you read the epistles.
But was he being mean when hewas doing apologetics?
No, apologetics is veryimportant.
The gospel says go into theworld, getting them saved,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father, son and the Holy
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Spirit.
It does not say sit in a churchbuilding and hope that they
come.
There's a difference.
Let's move on.
What do Muslims think of Jesus?
Actually, this will surprise alot of you, and I love the
Jewish people.
I've said that and I'm a bigsupporter of the state, the
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modern-day political state ofIsrael.
That doesn't mean I thinkeverything they do is right, but
I support them because I thinkthat they're the best country in
that region.
Okay, but moving on, what doMuslims think of Jesus?
Muslims actually have a higherview of Jesus than Jews.
Do Jews think that Jesus was arebel who was killed, and a lot
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of them, and a lot of theOrthodox, really hate Jesus.
They might not openly say it inthe Christian culture, but a
lot of them really hate him.
I'm not saying all of them,okay.
I'm just making a generalstatement that they hate him,
not all of them, okay.
Just want to clarify.
But let's move over to Islam.
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Muslims believe that Jesus wasone of the greatest prophets of
Allah, of God, okay, and that hewas born of the Virgin Mary.
So pretty close so far, okay,mary.
So pretty close so far.
They believe that he willreturn before judgment day to
restore justice and defeat thefalse Messiah, but they don't
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believe he is God.
They don't believe he iseternal.
They don't believe that he diedon a cross and then was
resurrected like we do.
They don't believe that.
They don't believe that he ispart of the Trinity and we'll
talk more about the Trinity theydon't believe that he died on
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the cross for our sins and wasresurrected.
They come close.
They come close to a lot of ourbeliefs, but not close enough
for salvation.
And you can get close in yourbeliefs about Jesus and still go
to hell.
That sounds scary.
That sounds like God is beingvindictive.
But Jesus warned us as falseteachers and we have to submit
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to the true Jesus, not theMormon Jesus, not the Jewish
Jesus.
When I say the Jewish Jesus, Imean the religiously Jewish
Jesus.
Jesus was Jewish, but I meanreligiously and not the Mormon
Jesus.
Mormons believe that he was madefrom Heavenly Father and
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Heavenly Mother in heaven, likewe all were.
He's a child of Heavenly Fatherand Heavenly Mother in heaven,
like we all were.
He's a child of Heavenly Fatherand Heavenly Mother.
They believe that Jesus and theFather are two distinct beings,
not being both God together asin a triune nature.
They believe that Jesus andLucifer, like we are, are spirit
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children of God the Father.
I mean of Heavenly Father andof Heavenly Mother.
They don't have the same Jesusokay, joseph Smith didn't
believe in the Trinity.
They don't have the same Godthe Father that we do.
They call him Heavenly Father,but it's not our Heavenly Father
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.
It was someone that was once aman that was exalted to heaven
okay, exalted to his own realm.
And they believe that wethrough yes, they believe Jesus
died on the cross for us so thatwe can become gods one day and
have our own planet and have ourown spirit babies.
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Now, they might not say that upfront, okay, but if you go to
their website, you can look thisall up.
It's all there.
It's a fake Jesus.
They don't have the trueMessiah.
That Jesus died for our sins,our total sin nature, that we
were totally depraved, withoutGod saying I'm going to reach
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down to them and give them theopportunity to accept me Through
regenerating their heart.
They will use their free willto accept or deny me.
That's the Jesus we believe in.
The first council of Nicaea wasa big deal.
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It was just a little bit afterChristianity was legalized in
the early 300s and AD.
It was 325 AD.
It was called by the council,was called by Emperor
Constantine.
I Now you might say, well, thiswas a state council.
He did call it, but theChristian bishops which is kind
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of like a pastor of today theyall came.
There's about 300 of them.
They did the whole council, andthe whole council was because
there was a fraction ofChristians called Arianists.
It was a theology start byArianists, another bishop who
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said that Jesus was a createdbeing, not eternal with the
Father and separate from theFather.
And all the church fathers andall the church bishops rejected
it, with the exception of threeof them Arianus and two of his
followers.
So Arianus was declared aheretic, as he was, but he
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believed that Jesus was born ofthe virgin and he was the
Messiah and died for us, but hedidn't believe that Jesus was
eternally God or divine.
He didn't believe that Jesuswas eternal.
He believed he was created.
Okay, that is a heresy, becausewe have a fake Jesus, a Jesus
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that cannot save.
You can only be saved by thetrue Jesus.
Now we can talk about Calvinism,we can talk about Arminianism,
we can talk about all thedifferent denominations, as long
as they're heterodox andthey're not heretics, as long as
they are truly part of thechurch of Jesus, we can talk
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about those secondary issues,but if Jesus isn't the true
Jesus and he is not God eternaland God ever existing, okay,
jesus is God the Son.
Okay, god the Son eternal withthe Father, eternal with the
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Holy Spirit.
Jesus is one person of theTrinity.
And let's, I'm going to go.
I'm going to start talkingabout the Trinity.
The Trinity is so complex thatwe could never truly understand
it, because to understand theTrinity fully is to understand
God, and we can never trulyunderstand it because to
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understand the Trinity fully isto understand God and we can't
truly understand that.
We can make analogies, and alot of them are bad.
Sometimes they're okay, butmost of them are bad because we
don't understand God's verynature.
But we can understand who Godis.
In the Bible, it's very obviousthat there is a Trinity.
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It is all over the Bible.
Some will say but the Bibledoesn't use the word Trinity,
but the Bible doesn't use theword rapture and the Bible
doesn't use the word Bible.
Okay, but it's a concept.
It's a word that we're usingfor the concept which is in the
Bible.
You wouldn't deny that there isa Bible, because the word Bible
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isn't in the Bible.
You know, most Christiansbelieve that there is a rapture,
such as I.
Now, we can argue about whenand where and how that takes
place, but Jesus is coming backfor his church and rapturing us,
meaning to call up from thechurch that we will come to
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heaven, we will go to Christ, wewill be raptured.
But let's go back to theTrinity.
Okay, there are three persons inthe Trinity, three distinct
persons.
God the Father is not God theSon, god the Son is not God the
Holy Spirit and God the HolySpirit is not God the Father or
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God the Son.
They are not each other, butthey share one Godhood.
So they are still One In theirbeing, but three different
Persons.
And I could be saying a littlebit Of it wrong, but what I'm
trying to say is there is oneGod and three different persons.
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Okay, god the Father and Godthe Son and God the Spirit.
God the Son and God the Spiritare all different persons but
they are one God.
They are free, separate, butone God.
And there is a heresy thatcircled around the early church,
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called modalism, that tried toexplain the way the existence of
the trinity.
It says that god presentshimself as three different
persons in three different modes, but he is one person.
It's a heresy.
Okay, they say that god thefather, god the son and god the
holy Spirit is all the sameperson.
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That's not true.
Okay, god the Father is not Godthe Son and is not God the
Spirit.
Okay, just like God the Spiritis not God the Son or God the
Father.
Okay, but modalism teaches thatall free persons are the same
person in free different modes,are the same person in three
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different modes.
There is a current denominationthat my family descends from on
my mom's side and it reallyscares me because I love them,
they are good people and theylove Jesus, but they believe a
heresy.
Does that mean they're going tohell?
I don't personally think so.
I think God's grace is bigenough to cover their mistake on
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that.
But I think that this teaching,if you follow it to a T and you
keep going and going and going,can take you to hell, just like
the Catholics.
I don't think Catholics arejust all hell bound, but I think
a lot of their teachings whenit comes to the Mary dogmas,
when it comes to the works, ifyou follow it to a T and you
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keep going into it and into it,and into it, it can lead you to
hell because you're no longerputting your faith in the
biblical Jesus, you're no longerputting your faith by his
salvation plan, you're puttingit in your own works.
When it comes to Catholics, andif you follow the Oneness
Pentecostalism, which is totallydifferent from Trinitarian
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Pentecostalism, they areheretics that branched off from
the Pentecostal movement.
I know a lot of people don'tlike Pentecostals.
I love them.
They're my family.
I have a lot of views that aresimilar to them, but I have some
that are different.
Okay, but TrinitarianPentecostals are 100% in line
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with the early church.
They're 100% in line with theBible when it comes to salvation
and when it comes to who is God.
Okay.
So if you're picking fun at aPentecostal for speaking in
tongues but you're not asconcerned about a Mormon, you
have a misplaced.
You have a misplacedtheological problem and you have
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a misplaced heart.
Okay, you can argue aboutpraying in tongues later.
It's a secondary issue.
You can argue about praying intongues later.
It's a secondary issue.
You can pray and debate thegifts of the Spirit later.
It's a secondary issue.
But if you're more concernedabout someone being filled with
the Holy Spirit, which I believeis 100% still for today, and I
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believe that praying in tonguesis 100% for today I think that
you can do it unbiblically and Ithink that you can put the
focus of your gifts uponyourself and not on God.
Not good, okay.
And I believe there are abusesof the Holy Spirit and the gifts
of the Holy Spirit, for sure,but that doesn't mean that that
gets rid of the Holy Spiritgifts Himself.
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And I'm a continuationist.
I believe in the gifts of theHoly Spirit because my view of
the Bible it's not a personalview that I've seen people speak
in tongues or I've prayed intongues it's not a personal view
, experience, view when I readthe Bible.
I don't know how to come awaywith that.
These gifts are not for today.
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I think that's bad Theology.
I don't think it's damnabletheology.
Okay, I realize Charismatics andPentecostals are in the
minority, but I would considermyself a Charismatic, not a
Pentecostal.
I love Pentecostals, but Ithink that Charismatic would
destrive me more.
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Love Pentecostals, but I thinkthat charismatic would destrive
me more.
I'd probably still call myselfa Baptist because I believe that
baptism is for believers who'vemade a commission of faith.
I don't believe it's forsalvation okay, I think you can
be saved without being baptizedbut I think it's for believers.
I don't think we should baptizebabies and I'm not like a
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Mormon who thinks that we shouldbaptize for the dead.
They don't actually baptizedead people.
They baptize people in theirstead.
We can go back to Mormonism oneother day with my friend Caleb
Curry.
But getting back to the pointOneness, pentecostals and
Trinitarian OrthodoxPentecostals are two completely
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different groups.
They may both believe inpraying in tongues, but that
doesn't mean that they're unitedon God.
And, like I said, I'm notsaying that these people are
going to hell.
That would mean my grandfatherand my grandmother and a lot of
my family members are in hellbecause they were wrong about
the trinity.
When I read the bible, I don'tsee that you have to believe the
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trinity to go to heaven and Ithink a lot of them are confused
about it and the trinity isvery confusing.
Okay, so I'm not saying they'reall going to hell, but I do
think they're playing with avery dangerous heresy and I
think that you need to get outof there and go to another
Pentecostal church If you stillwant to be a Pentecostal?
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Totally fine, go to anotherPentecostal church that believes
in the Trinity.
That way you're in a saferstanding before God.
Trinitarian Pentecostals believethat Jesus is the Father, he is
the Son and he is the HolySpirit.
They're wrong.
Jesus is God 100%, but he's notGod the Father and he's not God
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the Son, and he's not in threedifferent modes, he's three
different persons.
They would accuse us of beingpolytheistic, which is not
anything related to the earlychurch.
It's not related to the HolyScriptures.
It's just a fabrication and alie.
We're not polytheist.
We don't believe in multiplegods.
We believe in one God and threedifferent people.
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Jesus is God the Son, god theFather is God the Father and
then God the Holy Spirit is Godthe Holy Spirit.
They are three different peoplein one God and oneness.
Pentecostals I love them, gotfamily in it.
They're modalist and I reallyhope that they repent and get
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out of that and becomeTrinitarian Pentecostals.
But, like I said, I'm notsaying that they're all going to
hell.
I think God's grace issufficient and I think he will
overlook bad theology sometimes.
But they are playing with fire.
I'm not going to sugarcoat iteither.
And the UPC, the UnitedPentecostal Church.
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It's a oneness church.
Their official statement onlineis we don't go by historic
creeds, we just go by the.
Bible.
Well, when you say that, whenyou get rid of all of 2,000
years of church history and justsay that it was all because
they were Catholics, that's sounwise.
We're getting rid of so muchknowledge.
And the Council of Nicaea wasbased on the Bible much
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knowledge.
And the Council of Nicaea wasbased on the Bible.
And there's a fairy tale outthere that Council of Nicaea was
where we put the scriptures andthe canon.
Anybody with any historicalknowledge knows that's not true.
If you've ever watched a moviethe Da Vinci Code or read the
book, it kind of makes thatclaim that that's where we put
the scriptures together and wegot rid of all the bad books we
didn't want.
Listen, you can still readthose bad books, you know?
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Remember the History Channel'sbanned from the Bible.
Guess what I have, the Apocrypha, guess what I have a lot of
those writings.
I have the book of Enoch.
It's okay to read.
There might be some wisdom inthere, but it's not God-breathed
scripture and a lot of theearly church didn't use
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God-breathed scripture.
There was some debate with thecanon, but we pretty much had a
settled canon, okay.
So let's get over that crap.
We're smarter than that.
It's a deception from the devilto lead people to hell.
Let's reject it and move on.
And I want to read you a fewBible verses that confirm the
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Trinity, that confirm who Jesusis not just talking about church
history.
We're actually going to go tothe Holy Scripture.
I believe in Sola Scriptura andlet's get meaning by Scripture
alone, by faith alone.
I believe in the five solosSola Scriptura, sola Fide, faith
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alone, sola Gradias, gracealone, sola Christola, christ
alone, sola Deo Gloria, theglory of God alone.
Forgive me for not speakingthose words correctly.
I might not have them on mylips the best, but I have them
in my heart.
But let's go to the HolyScripture and see who Jesus was.
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Okay, I'm going to read you afew Bible verses, but I want to
clarify this is what I'm tryingto prove by reading you these
Bible verses Jesus was eternal,not created from God the Father,
but eternal with God the Father.
Jesus is God the Son, the secondpart of the Trinity.
He was truly God and he wastruly human, 100%, both.
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At time it was called the haperstatic union.
He created the world, he wasborn of the Virgin Mary, lived a
sinless life, died on the crossfor the redemption of the world
was resurrected and sits at theright hand of the Father, and
he is the only way to be saved,the only way to go to God, the
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Father and heaven.
You can't be saved by adifferent religion, you can't.
You can learn some good morals,but you cannot go to heaven
outside of Jesus.
Let me stress this there isonly one way to be saved and
that is through Jesus.
All else will not be saved,saved, and that is through Jesus
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.
All else will not be saved.
I say that out of love and fearand trembling, not out of hate
and prosecution.
I needed to be saved, eventhough I went to church my whole
life and my grandfather was aminister.
I needed to be saved of my sinsand I'm thankful that God saved
me.
Okay, now let's go To the Bible.
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I'm actually going to go to thefirst Genesis, chapter 26.
I'm reading now the New KingJames Version.
Then God said Let us make manin our own image and according
to our likeness.
Let them have dominion Overfish of the sea.
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And to the topic, verse 26.
God said let us make men, manin our own image, according to
our likeness.
Okay now I've heard some peoplesay that this was him talking
to angels that he had made.
I don't believe that one bit.
Um, I respect it.
You can still believe that andgo to heaven, okay, but I don't
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think that's right.
He's saying let us make man inour image, okay, meaning we have
the image of God.
God has gave us our image.
We are image bearers.
So I think that this is God thefather speaking to god the son
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and god the holy spirit sayinglet us make men in our image.
Okay.
I'm going to go to first johnone one.
This is a very famous passagefrom the scriptures.
First john one one in thebeginning was the word and the
word was with God and the Wordwas God.
Okay, let's pause right there.
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Let's not read anymore until weanalyze this.
In the beginning was the Word,who was the Word?
The Word is Jesus, okay, andthe Word was with God, okay.
So the Word, jesus, jesus, waswith God.
God who?
God the Father?
He's also with God the HolySpirit, okay, and he and the
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word was God.
Okay, so Jesus was God, jesuswas with God.
And then a lot of times I'll belike how does that make any
sense at all?
I can understand the confusion,but Jesus was with God the
Father in heaven and God theHoly Spirit in heaven, while
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also being God.
Okay, I'm gonna read verse 2.
He was in the beginning withGod.
Okay, let's stop there.
He was in the beginning withGod, okay.
So Jesus, being the word, alsobeing God was in the beginning
with God.
He was not created.
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Since the beginning of theuniverse that God created, jesus
being a part of that, he waswith God.
So, eternally there has alwaysbeen ever existing Jesus as God
the Son and God the Father isGod the Father and God the Holy
Spirit is God the Holy Spirit.
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All things were made throughhim.
Capital H Without him, nothingwas made that was made.
So, and this is why I thinkGenesis 1, 26 is God the Father
talking to God the Son and Godthe Holy Spirit.
All things were made throughhim and without him there was
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nothing that was made.
Jesus made everything.
Jesus made this world, jesusmade this planet, he made me and
he made you.
He made matter, he made time,he made space.
He made me and he made you.
He made matter, he made time,he made space.
Okay, god the Father and Godthe Son and God the Holy Spirit
made everything.
Okay, I'm going to go back upone more time because I know it
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can be confusing.
John 1.1.
In the beginning was the Wordand the Word was God and the
Word was with God.
The Word Jesus and the Word waswith God.
So this isn't modalism, thisisn't Jesus putting on the mode
of the Father, this isn't Jesusputting on the mode of the Holy
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Spirit.
This is Jesus, this is the word, this is the Son being with God
.
Okay, he's not putting on anattribute.
He is God, the Son, not anattribute.
He is and he is with God andthe Word was God.
I think that's very clear, okay,I think John 1 is 100% a case
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for the Trinity.
It also gets rid of Arianism,which says that Jesus was
created.
That's right there.
You can say Arianism, heresy,modalism, heresy.
Okay, now it's one worse thanthe other.
They're both pretty bad.
Let's stay away from them.
Okay, I'm going to go to anotherscripture out of the Old
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Testament, psalms 110, verse 1.
The Lord said to my Lord set atmy right hand till I make your
enemies your footstool.
Okay, let's go back.
Let's read it again.
The Lord said to my Lord set atmy right hand till I make your
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enemies your footstool.
Okay.
So David's Lord said to my Lord.
So David's Lord said to my Lordit kind of seems like this is
the Trinity.
God the Father said to God theSon Okay, and I pulled this up
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in the Blue Letter Bible usingthe Hebrew conordinates and it
breaks down word for word.
It's even clearer.
Actually, the Lord said to myLord said to my right hand till
I make you your enemies yourfootstool, so we have the
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Trinity in the Old Testament.
Okay, now I'm going to go toback to the Gospel of John,
chapter 14.
You can pause the podcast andread these Bible verses and
highlight them.
This is John 14, starting atverse 6.
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This is red letters.
Jesus said them.
This is red letters.
Jesus said them.
Okay.
Jesus said unto them I am theway, the truth and the life.
No man comes to the Fatherexcept through me.
If you had known me, you wouldhave known my Father and from
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now on you know him and haveseen him.
Okay, so what Jesus is saying?
We're going to go back to versesix.
I like to double read things.
It's good to have clarification.
Jesus said to him I am the way,the truth and the life.
No man comes to the Fatherthrough me, except through me.
Let's break this down I'm theway, I'm the truth and the life.
That doesn't mean he's a way, atruth and a life.
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He's the way, the truth and thelife.
No one comes to the Father,nobody.
Nobody can come to God, theFather, except through me,
except through him.
So he's the only way to go toheaven.
That's what Jesus is saying.
I'm the only way to go to heaven.
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That's not me being mean.
I'm coming down as a sacrificeto die for your sins because you
couldn't do it.
I died for you because I lovedyou.
I regenerated your heartbecause you were unconditionally
depraved and gave you the freewill to choose me or to deny me.
And I used a lot of languagesthere that would have Calvinist
and Arminian fighting.
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I did that on purpose and Ithink everything I said is true.
Okay, you're the.
But regardless if you're anArminian or if you're a
Calvinist, that's just true.
The only way you can go toheaven is through Jesus.
That's it Okay.
Through faith and grace alonein Jesus.
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Whether you make the consciousdecision by your own free will
to accept him after he generatesyour heart, or if God makes you
accept him through his divineplan, I think they go hand in
hand.
Okay, I think he has to.
The only way anyone can everget saved is if your heart is
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regenerated.
Calvin was right about that,but I believe God gives you the
free will to turn away and walkaway or say, yes, lord.
And that's not me saving myself.
Okay, if God gives me theopportunity for and that's not
me saving myself.
Okay, if God gives me theopportunity for salvation, I'm
not saving myself.
If a lifeguard is throwing, heis throwing.
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A lifesaver puts it right nextto me.
All I have to do is reach outand have faith in that.
Okay, that's not me savingmyself.
That lifeguard still saved me,the same way that Jesus came
down, died for me and then gaveme the opportunity to accept or
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deny him, and it is by faithalone that God gets us saved.
Okay, forgive me for myCalvinism and Arminian talk.
Let's get back to Jesus.
If you had known me, you wouldhave known my Father.
So Jesus is saying if you knowme, you know my Father, and from
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now on you know Him and haveHim.
So if you have Jesus, you haveGod the Father.
I'm going to go to one morescripture and talk about oneness
and modalism once again.
Okay, luke, chapter 3, verses21 through 22.
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When the people were baptized,that came to pass.
That Jesus also was baptized,and while he prayed, the heavens
was opened and the Holy Spiritdescended in bodily form like a
dove upon him and the voice camefrom heaven which said you are
my beloved Son and you I am wellpleased.
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Okay, we see all three personsof the Trinity in these two
verses.
Jesus is getting baptized.
We see the Holy Spirit comingdown like a dove upon him and a
voice from the heaven says youare my son, in whom I am well
pleased.
That is God the Father, god theSon, god the Holy Spirit.
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Now, oneness.
I've heard their excuse forthis or their explanation for
this.
It's very poor.
They said that was all three ofthem were Jesus and he was
doing all three of them at thesame time in all three different
modes.
So, god, he's just being aventriloquist.
Okay, I'm not trying to bedisrespectful, but that's the
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picture that I feel like you'repainting.
He's being a ventriloquist andhe's acting like he's free
different people okay, or he isfree different people and one
Godhood.
Okay, one God, free differentpeople, and one Godhood, one God
, free, different people.
That makes so much more sensethan modalism, than oneness.
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This verse disproves allmodalism.
It disproves all oneness.
The Trinity is right in thisverse.
You have to see it.
You don't have to go back tochurch history.
You don't have to go back tochurch history and you don't
have to go back to Nicaea.
You can just go to Luke 21through 22 and see that the
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Trinity is at work and is inexistence.
Don't deny your heart becauseyou've been taught a theology
your entire life.
Please don't do that.
Okay, if I've been taughtsomething that is wrong, I
reject it.
Okay, I love my grandfather,but I think he's wrong about a
few things I do, because I thinkthe Bible tells me otherwise.
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He's still biblical, he's stillgoing to heaven.
He's still an OrthodoxChristian in his beliefs and
when I say Orthodox, I mean hisbeliefs are historically
Christian and they don't hideand run away from the early
church.
And they don't hide and runaway from the Bible.
Okay, he believes in grace andfaith alone to get to salvation
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through Jesus.
Now, I have some differenceswhen it comes to sanctification
with him.
I have some differences when itcomes to women and ministry
with him and when it comes tothe idea of holiness.
Okay, and I believe in holiness, but I don't believe that we
can ever be totally holy whileon this planet.
I'm not saying he does believethat, but a lot of holiness
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people do believe that, but alot of holiness people do I'm.
And one of the reason I forgotto mention why I still consider
myself a Baptist is I don't 100%believe in eternal security,
but I'm very, very close to it.
I think if you accept JesusChrist as your Lord and Savior,
repent of your sins, acknowledgethe gospel and repent of your
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sins and say I'm a sinner, okay,I believe the only way you can
apostate and walk away is say Idon't want to be with you
anymore, god, and you can dothat by your words or your
actions.
Most of the time, it's youractions.
Okay, you just live acompletely sinful life and you
don't care about God.
You can tell them by theirfruits.
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With that being said, does thatmean if I stumble in a sin that
I'm going to hell, if Istruggle with a sin that I'm
going to hell, even if Istruggle with it to the point
where I die with that sin.
Am I going to hell?
People in the holiness movementa lot of them would say, yes, no
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, sin can go through to heaven.
But my God is bigger than that.
He came down because I couldn'tdo it.
Because Josh Scott, becauseanybody else, because Billy
Graham, because of Pope Francis,because Donald Trump or Joseph
Biden, it doesn't matter, pickTaylor Swift, we couldn't do it.
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That's why I don't think we canlive a sinless life on this
planet.
We can't do it.
And people that talk about cheapgrace, that think that, oh, you
have cheap grace if you go onsinning and still believe that
you're a Christian, you can'tlive this life without going on.
You can't live this lifewithout sinning.
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You cannot go one week withoutsinning.
I bet you can't go a daywithout sinning, and sometimes I
struggle to get a minutewithout sinning.
Okay, because I am totallydeprived and I need Jesus.
But I also know that that sinnature that is inside of me,
that's the old Josh, that is thedead Josh, and I am now alive
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in Jesus.
I am alive in Jesus foreverbecause he came down, he died
for me so I can go to heaven.
Because he said I know he can'tdo it.
I know he can't do it, so I'mgoing to go and die for Josh and
I will forgive him.
Jesus died for our past sins.
He died for our present sins.
And this is where people don'tlike it.
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This is where it rubs the wrongway.
He died for our future sins.
He died for us, yet we werestill sinners.
Now, can you walk away?
Can you make your heart so hardby living in such rebellion
that you turn away from God?
Yeah, you can.
Yeah, you can, but I don't knowhow often that really happens.
I'm not saying it never happens, because it does.
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Okay, it does happen.
Don't do it.
Don't play with sin.
Run from all of it.
I still sin.
I struggle with sin.
I have a lot of things Istruggle with.
I struggle not just sin.
I struggle.
I'm going to be open, I'm goingto be real with you.
I struggle with image.
I struggle with depression.
I struggle with lust.
I struggle with where God wantsme and what he wants me in my
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calling.
I want to be open and I want tobe transparent with that.
But I do know this I know if Isay the F word because I'm about
to wreck and die in a car wreckand I get scared, I know that
if I say the F word before I dieand it's immediate, I don't
have time to say I'm sorry,jesus, that his grace is
sufficient enough.
Even though I said a horribleword and even though that I did
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something that was awful, I knowthat God will still accept me
in his kingdom.
I know that if I mess up and ifI'm scrolling on TikTok or
Instagram or Twitter and I see agirl that's really pretty and
she's wearing inappropriateclothes and a bad fault comes
from my head I'm not talkingabout pornography, I'm just
talking about the fault.
Jesus said if you look at awoman in, you committed adultery
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with her heart.
He's not even talking aboutadultery.
He's just talking about someonewalking down the street in
Palestine and she was lookingpretty good.
That's all he was talking about.
I know that if I have an impurefault in my head, that Jesus
died for me because of that,because I'm a sinner and I know
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that I won't go to hell for thatand I can take a step back and
I can say Jesus, where can Iimprove my life?
Where can I say I am wrong?
And for all those people thatsay that's leaving in Jeep grace
if you say a cuss word everyonce in a while.
If you do this, if your dressisn't 100% down, if your dress
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isn't to your ankles and you'renot wearing any makeup and
la-la-la-la-la-la-la crap,legalism, crap.
Okay, I know my God's biggerthan that.
I know my God's bigger thanthat.
I know my God knows my heartand my God says that my heart
was desperately wicked and hadto have salvation so he came
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down and died for me.
But I also know he knows myheart.
With Jesus, this is a lotdifferent and I have sinned
since 2012.
I don't believe I've ever trulywalked away 100% from God and
said I don't want you by myactions, but I did some horrible
things that I'm very ashamed ofand since I've been married,
I've tried to commit myselffully to God and to my wife and
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said I was wrong.
I know I was wrong forpremarital sex.
I know I was wrong forpornography.
I know I was wrong for this andthat and that and this and this
and that I'm just naming thecultural big Christian sins
right now.
Okay, when we talk about cheapgrace, you know what cheap grace
is If God can't forgive you forsaying the F word.
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If you're going down Interstate81, when you see a big tractor
trailer, let's say I don't know,you got lost in your mind and
you didn't hit the brake in time, you say the F word, it kills
you, takes you out.
I think that's pretty cheapgrace.
So God's atonement you'retelling me my Jesus' atonement
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on the cross isn't big enough toforgive that because I didn't
repent before I died.
That's works, that's legalism Ihate it.
I hate it.
It's crap.
It's pure crap.
It's not true.
Now, and there are also I knowsome people will say that's a
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cop-out there are false converts.
There are people that believethat they're converting to
Christianity and they haven'tOkay.
And then there are people thatwalk away from the faith, and
this is a hard point in theology.
This is the debates.
Okay, I definitely think thatyou can walk away from the faith
.
I do.
I believe in free will.
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I'm an Arminian.
Okay, I believe that you canaccept Jesus Christ as your Lord
and Savior.
Harden your heart with so muchsin.
Walk away and just say I don'tcare anymore.
You might still acknowledge himwith your mind, but not your
actions.
That's a scary place to be too.
Man Don't ever play with anysin, but God's grace is
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sufficient to keep us Now.
Now I want to go back.
Paul tells us does that mean wesin more, but so grace will
increase more?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Stay away from sin, guys.
It'll kill you.
It's what put Jesus on thecross and what breaks my heart.
You know what breaks my heartmore than anything?
And the reason I try not to sinmore than anything isn't
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because I'm afraid of hell.
I try my best to stay away fromsin because it hurts my Father,
it hurts God the Father, and ithurts God the Son and it hurts
God the Holy Spirit.
That's why I try not to sin.
When you play with sin, whenyou go back and you look on the
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web on things you shouldn't, orwhen you maybe steal something
that you shouldn't, or whatever,it is okay.
You're playing with the nailsthat the Romans put in Jesus'
hands.
The Romans didn't kill Jesus.
The Jews didn't kill Jesus.
There's a debate between whokilled Jesus, the Romans or the
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Jews.
We did.
I did.
Josh Scott killed Jesus.
Billy Graham killed Jesus, popeFrancis killed Jesus.
Billy Graham killed Jesus, popeFrancis killed Jesus.
Donald Trump killed Jesus.
And guess what?
And yet did the Romans killJesus?
Did the Jews kill Jesus?
Yes, but not them alone.
We all did.
We all killed Jesus in our sin.
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And every time we sin, everytime we play with sin, even if
we have salvation, we're playingwith the nails that put him on
the cross.
Oh, someone, I heard that lastweek and it broke me.
Man, how can I play with thenails that was drove in the
Savior's hand?
How can we do that?
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And I've done it, and you'vedone it, and we continue to do
it, but we have to continue toget out of it.
We have to continue to get outof it, guys.
We don't want tolive like that.
I don't want to hurt my father.
I don't want to hurt God theSon or God the Holy Spirit.
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I don't want to hurt theTrinity.
I don't want to hurt God.
I love them.
I want my heart to be so fullof love for God that you can see
it down the road.
We should be like a hill.
We should be like a city on ahill, shining for all to see.
You don't light a lamp and putit under a bed.
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You let everyone see it.
Oh man, I'm sorry for the rant,but not really.
This is kind of why I wanted tostart the podcast, talk about
theology and God and try toreach the people through the
internet.
That's one thing.
I've also been praying and Iwant my audience to pray too.
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I've been feeling God tellingme to get back into my calling,
even though I don't deserve it,and I've done things I'm ashamed
of, and that calling's notbehind the pulpit right now.
One day, I think it may be okay,but not right now.
I've had in my heart to holdsigns on the road or the
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interstate with a Bible verseand talk to people about Jesus
and kind of like Ray Comfortdoes, and I think that's how we
can win people to Christ and I'mgoing to try to put a team
together, not through me, justthrough the new church I'm going
to, and please be in prayer forthat.
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I want to do it safely, I wantto do it legally and I want
God's hand to be in it and Iwant it to be all about him,
nothing about me, and I hope itcan bless.
And if they don't go to theparticular building that I go to
to worship on, that's okay.
If they go up on the hill,that's okay, as long as they're
part of the universal CatholicChurch and we get scared of the
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term Catholic because of theRoman Catholic Church.
But all Catholic meant in theearly days in church history
meant was God's family, it wasthe family of God.
The Romans would scream if theyheard me say that.
But all Catholic meant was theuniversal church.
Okay.
When God said I want them to beone, I don't think he meant
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they have to go to the samebuilding and the same
denomination.
I don't even go to the.
I go to a non-denominationalchurch and there's problems with
non-denominational churches,just like there is
denominational churches.
Did you know that there'sproblems in all of them?
Because we're human beings?
But we need to go to a good,universal church that believes
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in the holy scripture, that cantake you to heaven and hear that
.
And we can have conversationsabout Arminianism and Calvinism
and we can fight like cats anddogs in love in a good debate.
Okay, as long as it's grace andfaith alone in Jesus.
And I think there's a lot ofCatholics going to heaven too.
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Okay, I care if you reallybelieve the true Jesus and if
you're truly saved.
Listen, if you're not saved,please, please, please, repent
of your sins and accept Jesus asyour Lord and Savior, because
it doesn't matter who'spresident and it doesn't matter
who's delegate, and it doesn'tmatter who's congressman or
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governor or king.
If you don't have salvation,your life after this one will be
awful.
Okay, I'm saying this out oflove.
I love you, I want you to go toheaven.
I want everyone on this planetto go to heaven.
So how do we do that?
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We've got to meet people wherethey are and talk to them about
the gospel.
Let's do that, everyone.
Thank you for thisover-opinionated episode.
It was a lot different than allthe others and I am so, so, so,
so happy to be with you Nextweek.
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If we have the debates next week, I will do a debate review from
the Republican Party.
If not, I'll just talk aboutgeneral politics and we'll
obviously have a verse ofscripture.
We had a bunch of verses ofscripture so you can pick your
own for the verse of the day andI'll tweet one for the podcast
or I'll X'd one Also.
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One also just side rant.
Changing the name from twitterto x was so stupid.
I like Elon Musk when it comesto some things.
I pray for Elon.
Pray for Elon Musk to get safe.
He's not safe, okay.
I like Elon Musk when it comesto some things, but when it
comes to other things, I meanmean, I don't know, that was
weird, that was just weird, um,but but I'll I'll social media
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verse and then you can pick yourverse to be the verse of the
day for the podcast too.
Get back in touch with me, giveme feedback.
I love feedback.
Check out the Darrell McLeanshow.
I like Darrell.
He's, um a good friend of mine.
I like Daryl he's a good friendof mine and we're fellow
podcasters.
We disagree on some things inlove, and I think it'd be kind
of crazy if we agreed oneverything, wouldn't it?
But he's a good biblicalChristian and he's a Calvinist,
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oh no, but I love him.
He's a good guy.
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God bless you.
Jesus is king and I hope to seeyou next week.
God bless you all, thank you.
It's overopinionated with Josh Klott apologize.
I said I was going to get thisout this weekend and I wasn't
able to, but I may just try torecord on Saturday or Sunday and
then release it Monday for theweek.
I'm still feeling around.
I'm still very young topodcasting.
I am trying very hard.
I've had some personal issueswith my car, I had to get a new
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car and other things.
I'm not a big podcaster but Icare about this podcast because
I care about my listeners whotune in and we're small but
steady.
We still get those numberssmall but steady and everybody
matters.
But ultimately, no matter whatyou do, if it's podcasting, if
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it's whatever, okay, we do itfor an audience of one, because
if we don't do it for theaudience of one, then it becomes
the reason we're doing it foris ourselves.
We're the one we're trying toplease other than God.
Today's episode is not politicalat all, although there is a ton
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of political news out this week.
This podcast isn't just aboutpolitics.
This podcast is mostly aboutbiblical truth.
Hopefully that's what itbecomes, but we're going to
address politics because that'ssomething I'm fairly
knowledgeable in.
With that being said, I do wantto offer a correction of the
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last podcast, I said that theRepublican presidential debates
were going to come up next month.
I was wrong.
I think they're coming up nextweek and I will do a review of
that.
That's all I'm going to sayabout the term of politics, but
I want to talk about something Ithink is the ultimate question
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that anyone could ever answer.
It's the most importantquestion you will ever answer in
your life, and that is who isJesus?
Okay, there's a lot of thingsthat he's not and there's a lot
of things that he is, and thewant you answer who Jesus is and
who Jesus is in your life willdetermine everything in your
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life here and after.
So we've got to get this right.
Who is Jesus To Jews?
Jesus was just a rebel who waskilled for trying to overthrow
the Roman Empire.
Okay, I got a little clip fromthe conservative commentator
from the Daily Wire, ben Shapiro, and I personally really like
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Ben Shapiro.
I pray for his salvation, but Iwant you to hear what he thinks
Jesus is, who he thinks Jesusis.
This is from an interview fromthe Joe Rogan podcast from Ben
Shapiro.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
From a Jewish point of view, where we don't believe
in the divinity of Christ.
There you can make an argumentthat the Gospels which were
written he was just a prophet.
No, no, no, we don't evenbelieve he was a prophet.
What do you think he was?
What do you guys think what Ithink he was?
Historically, I think he was aJew who tried to lead a revolt
against the Romans and gotkilled for his trouble, just
like a lot of other Jews at thattime who were crucified for
trying to lead revolts againstthe Romans and got killed for
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their trouble.
You know from a Jew.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Just a Jew who tried to lead a revolt against Rome
and killed for his trouble.
Now, obviously, Ben is of adifferent faith than I am.
I am.
He's a Jew and I'm a Christian.
But he's fundamentally wrong onwho Jesus was.
He was not just a Jew who led arevolt against Rome and was
killed for his trouble.
He was the sacrifice and theLamb of God that came down
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before he made the world.
He knew he would have to comedown and sacrifice himself and
die for the saved.
He knew that he made thatchoice.
He didn't lead a revolt againstRome.
He said to Pilate if this wasof my kingdom, I would have my
disciples fight back I'mparaphrasing but I'm of the
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kingdom of God.
Now, obviously, there's a bigrift between Jews and Christians
, and I love Jewish people, as Ithink God loves Jewish people
and has blessed Jewish peoplegreatly.
But when you have preachersthat say Jewish people have
salvation, they're not beingvery loving.
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Jewish people have salvation,they're not being very loving or
they have very bad theology orboth, because Jesus is the
Jewish Messiah.
He is the only way to theFather.
You cannot be saved withoutJesus, even if you're the
historical seed of Abraham, okay.
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So that's why I pray for BenShapiro daily to get salvation.
I like him.
I listen to his podcast almostevery day I disagree with him,
and I disagree with him on somefinancial issues because I'm
more of a populist on politics,but when it comes to culture,
when it comes to overall socialconservatism and the lives of
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the unborn, I think Ben has donea good work and, believe it or
not, I think God has used BenShapiro, but he's not saved,
he's in rebellion.
And theology matters.
Okay, folks, some people willsay, well, I don't want to talk
about theology, let's just talkabout Jesus' love.
If you're going to talk aboutJesus, you're going to talk
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about theology.
It's just the study of God andthe study of scripture.
It's not an evil word.
People make politics to be anevil word.
Religion and theology those arenot evil words.
Now, do I want to be religiousin the sense that I have to do
this and jump this hoop and dothat to get saved?
No, I believe Christianity is arelationship between me and God
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, god and me.
But am I religious in the sensethat I believe in God?
Yes, so it depends whatdefinition we're talking about.
Politics, religion, theology,these are not bad and scary
words.
They are words that have dividedpeople but we need to have,
regardless of your theology,regardless of your politics and
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regardless of your religion weneed to have these serious
conversations discussing ourdifferences, and we need debates
in a respectful manner Insteadof saying I'm afraid of conflict
, I'm going to run away.
We've ran away too much.
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I love my grandfather.
He's a good, godly man, buthe'll always say you know, avoid
this.
You know, avoid this topic.
If you're going to talk to aMormon, you know, avoid this,
avoid this topic.
If you're going to talk to aMormon, just try not to bring.
If I don't bring up the gospelto a Mormon, how can they be
saved?
What if it's my job at Walmartwhen I run into a Mormon and
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we're chatting?
What if it's my job to tellthem about the real Jesus?
I can't just say I'm not goingto do this because I'm afraid of
confrontation.
Paul argued with people.
It said he reasoned with people.
Now, was Paul ugly?
Was Paul mean?
No, when he was reasoning withpeople, no.
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Now Paul did get stern.
He was a father that wouldcorrect his children sternly.
And when you read the epistles.
But was he being mean when hewas doing apologetics?
No, apologetics is veryimportant.
The gospel says go into theworld, getting them saved,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father, son and the Holy
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Spirit.
It does not say sit in a churchbuilding and hope that they
come.
There's a difference.
Let's move on.
What do Muslims think of Jesus?
Actually, this will surprise alot of you, and I love the
Jewish people.
I've said that and I'm a bigsupporter of the state, the
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modern-day political state ofIsrael.
That doesn't mean I thinkeverything they do is right, but
I support them because I thinkthat they're the best country in
that region.
Okay, but moving on, what doMuslims think of Jesus?
Muslims actually have a higherview of Jesus than Jews.
Do Jews think that Jesus was arebel who was killed, and a lot
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of them, and a lot of theOrthodox, really hate Jesus.
They might not openly say it inthe Christian culture, but a
lot of them really hate him.
I'm not saying all of them,okay.
I'm just making a generalstatement that they hate him,
not all of them, okay.
Just want to clarify.
But let's move over to Islam.
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Muslims believe that Jesus wasone of the greatest prophets of
Allah, of God, okay, and that hewas born of the Virgin Mary.
So pretty close so far, okay,mary.
So pretty close so far.
They believe that he willreturn before judgment day to
restore justice and defeat thefalse Messiah, but they don't
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believe he is God.
They don't believe he iseternal.
They don't believe that he diedon a cross and then was
resurrected like we do.
They don't believe that.
They don't believe that he ispart of the Trinity and we'll
talk more about the Trinity theydon't believe that he died on
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the cross for our sins and wasresurrected.
They come close.
They come close to a lot of ourbeliefs, but not close enough
for salvation.
And you can get close in yourbeliefs about Jesus and still go
to hell.
That sounds scary.
That sounds like God is beingvindictive.
But Jesus warned us as falseteachers and we have to submit
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to the true Jesus, not theMormon Jesus, not the Jewish
Jesus.
When I say the Jewish Jesus, Imean the religiously Jewish
Jesus.
Jesus was Jewish, but I meanreligiously and not the Mormon
Jesus.
Mormons believe that he was madefrom Heavenly Father and
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Heavenly Mother in heaven, likewe all were.
He's a child of Heavenly Fatherand Heavenly Mother in heaven,
like we all were.
He's a child of Heavenly Fatherand Heavenly Mother.
They believe that Jesus and theFather are two distinct beings,
not being both God together asin a triune nature.
They believe that Jesus andLucifer, like we are, are spirit
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children of God the Father.
I mean of Heavenly Father andof Heavenly Mother.
They don't have the same Jesusokay, joseph Smith didn't
believe in the Trinity.
They don't have the same Godthe Father that we do.
They call him Heavenly Father,but it's not our Heavenly Father
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.
It was someone that was once aman that was exalted to heaven
okay, exalted to his own realm.
And they believe that wethrough yes, they believe Jesus
died on the cross for us so thatwe can become gods one day and
have our own planet and have ourown spirit babies.
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Now, they might not say that upfront, okay, but if you go to
their website, you can look thisall up.
It's all there.
It's a fake Jesus.
They don't have the trueMessiah.
That Jesus died for our sins,our total sin nature, that we
were totally depraved, withoutGod saying I'm going to reach
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down to them and give them theopportunity to accept me Through
regenerating their heart.
They will use their free willto accept or deny me.
That's the Jesus we believe in.
The first council of Nicaea wasa big deal.
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It was just a little bit afterChristianity was legalized in
the early 300s and AD.
It was 325 AD.
It was called by the council,was called by Emperor
Constantine.
I Now you might say, well, thiswas a state council.
He did call it, but theChristian bishops which is kind
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of like a pastor of today theyall came.
There's about 300 of them.
They did the whole council, andthe whole council was because
there was a fraction ofChristians called Arianists.
It was a theology start byArianists, another bishop who
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said that Jesus was a createdbeing, not eternal with the
Father and separate from theFather.
And all the church fathers andall the church bishops rejected
it, with the exception of threeof them Arianus and two of his
followers.
So Arianus was declared aheretic, as he was, but he
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believed that Jesus was born ofthe virgin and he was the
Messiah and died for us, but hedidn't believe that Jesus was
eternally God or divine.
He didn't believe that Jesuswas eternal.
He believed he was created.
Okay, that is a heresy, becausewe have a fake Jesus, a Jesus
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that cannot save.
You can only be saved by thetrue Jesus.
Now we can talk about Calvinism,we can talk about Arminianism,
we can talk about all thedifferent denominations, as long
as they're heterodox andthey're not heretics, as long as
they are truly part of thechurch of Jesus, we can talk
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about those secondary issues,but if Jesus isn't the true
Jesus and he is not God eternaland God ever existing, okay,
jesus is God the Son.
Okay, god the Son eternal withthe Father, eternal with the
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Holy Spirit.
Jesus is one person of theTrinity.
And let's, I'm going to go.
I'm going to start talkingabout the Trinity.
The Trinity is so complex thatwe could never truly understand
it, because to understand theTrinity fully is to understand
God, and we can never trulyunderstand it because to
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understand the Trinity fully isto understand God and we can't
truly understand that.
We can make analogies, and alot of them are bad.
Sometimes they're okay, butmost of them are bad because we
don't understand God's verynature.
But we can understand who Godis.
In the Bible, it's very obviousthat there is a Trinity.
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It is all over the Bible.
Some will say but the Bibledoesn't use the word Trinity,
but the Bible doesn't use theword rapture and the Bible
doesn't use the word Bible.
Okay, but it's a concept.
It's a word that we're usingfor the concept which is in the
Bible.
You wouldn't deny that there isa Bible, because the word Bible
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isn't in the Bible.
You know, most Christiansbelieve that there is a rapture,
such as I.
Now, we can argue about whenand where and how that takes
place, but Jesus is coming backfor his church and rapturing us,
meaning to call up from thechurch that we will come to
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heaven, we will go to Christ, wewill be raptured.
But let's go back to theTrinity.
Okay, there are three persons inthe Trinity, three distinct
persons.
God the Father is not God theSon, god the Son is not God the
Holy Spirit and God the HolySpirit is not God the Father or
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God the Son.
They are not each other, butthey share one Godhood.
So they are still One In theirbeing, but three different
Persons.
And I could be saying a littlebit Of it wrong, but what I'm
trying to say is there is oneGod and three different persons.
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Okay, god the Father and Godthe Son and God the Spirit.
God the Son and God the Spiritare all different persons but
they are one God.
They are free, separate, butone God.
And there is a heresy thatcircled around the early church,
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called modalism, that tried toexplain the way the existence of
the trinity.
It says that god presentshimself as three different
persons in three different modes, but he is one person.
It's a heresy.
Okay, they say that god thefather, god the son and god the
holy Spirit is all the sameperson.
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That's not true.
Okay, god the Father is not Godthe Son and is not God the
Spirit.
Okay, just like God the Spiritis not God the Son or God the
Father.
Okay, but modalism teaches thatall free persons are the same
person in free different modes,are the same person in three
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different modes.
There is a current denominationthat my family descends from on
my mom's side and it reallyscares me because I love them,
they are good people and theylove Jesus, but they believe a
heresy.
Does that mean they're going tohell?
I don't personally think so.
I think God's grace is bigenough to cover their mistake on
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that.
But I think that this teaching,if you follow it to a T and you
keep going and going and going,can take you to hell, just like
the Catholics.
I don't think Catholics arejust all hell bound, but I think
a lot of their teachings whenit comes to the Mary dogmas,
when it comes to the works, ifyou follow it to a T and you
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keep going into it and into it,and into it, it can lead you to
hell because you're no longerputting your faith in the
biblical Jesus, you're no longerputting your faith by his
salvation plan, you're puttingit in your own works.
When it comes to Catholics, andif you follow the Oneness
Pentecostalism, which is totallydifferent from Trinitarian
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Pentecostalism, they areheretics that branched off from
the Pentecostal movement.
I know a lot of people don'tlike Pentecostals.
I love them.
They're my family.
I have a lot of views that aresimilar to them, but I have some
that are different.
Okay, but TrinitarianPentecostals are 100% in line
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with the early church.
They're 100% in line with theBible when it comes to salvation
and when it comes to who is God.
Okay.
So if you're picking fun at aPentecostal for speaking in
tongues but you're not asconcerned about a Mormon, you
have a misplaced.
You have a misplacedtheological problem and you have
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a misplaced heart.
Okay, you can argue aboutpraying in tongues later.
It's a secondary issue.
You can argue about praying intongues later.
It's a secondary issue.
You can pray and debate thegifts of the Spirit later.
It's a secondary issue.
But if you're more concernedabout someone being filled with
the Holy Spirit, which I believeis 100% still for today, and I
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believe that praying in tonguesis 100% for today I think that
you can do it unbiblically and Ithink that you can put the
focus of your gifts uponyourself and not on God.
Not good, okay.
And I believe there are abusesof the Holy Spirit and the gifts
of the Holy Spirit, for sure,but that doesn't mean that that
gets rid of the Holy Spiritgifts Himself.
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And I'm a continuationist.
I believe in the gifts of theHoly Spirit because my view of
the Bible it's not a personalview that I've seen people speak
in tongues or I've prayed intongues it's not a personal view
, experience, view when I readthe Bible.
I don't know how to come awaywith that.
These gifts are not for today.
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I think that's bad Theology.
I don't think it's damnabletheology.
Okay, I realize Charismatics andPentecostals are in the
minority, but I would considermyself a Charismatic, not a
Pentecostal.
I love Pentecostals, but Ithink that Charismatic would
destrive me more.
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Love Pentecostals, but I thinkthat charismatic would destrive
me more.
I'd probably still call myselfa Baptist because I believe that
baptism is for believers who'vemade a commission of faith.
I don't believe it's forsalvation okay, I think you can
be saved without being baptizedbut I think it's for believers.
I don't think we should baptizebabies and I'm not like a
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Mormon who thinks that we shouldbaptize for the dead.
They don't actually baptizedead people.
They baptize people in theirstead.
We can go back to Mormonism oneother day with my friend Caleb
Curry.
But getting back to the pointOneness, pentecostals and
Trinitarian OrthodoxPentecostals are two completely
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different groups.
They may both believe inpraying in tongues, but that
doesn't mean that they're unitedon God.
And, like I said, I'm notsaying that these people are
going to hell.
That would mean my grandfatherand my grandmother and a lot of
my family members are in hellbecause they were wrong about
the trinity.
When I read the bible, I don'tsee that you have to believe the
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trinity to go to heaven and Ithink a lot of them are confused
about it and the trinity isvery confusing.
Okay, so I'm not saying they'reall going to hell, but I do
think they're playing with avery dangerous heresy and I
think that you need to get outof there and go to another
Pentecostal church If you stillwant to be a Pentecostal?
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Totally fine, go to anotherPentecostal church that believes
in the Trinity.
That way you're in a saferstanding before God.
Trinitarian Pentecostals believethat Jesus is the Father, he is
the Son and he is the HolySpirit.
They're wrong.
Jesus is God 100%, but he's notGod the Father and he's not God
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the Son, and he's not in threedifferent modes, he's three
different persons.
They would accuse us of beingpolytheistic, which is not
anything related to the earlychurch.
It's not related to the HolyScriptures.
It's just a fabrication and alie.
We're not polytheist.
We don't believe in multiplegods.
We believe in one God and threedifferent people.
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Jesus is God the Son, god theFather is God the Father and
then God the Holy Spirit is Godthe Holy Spirit.
They are three different peoplein one God and oneness.
Pentecostals I love them, gotfamily in it.
They're modalist and I reallyhope that they repent and get
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out of that and becomeTrinitarian Pentecostals.
But, like I said, I'm notsaying that they're all going to
hell.
I think God's grace issufficient and I think he will
overlook bad theology sometimes.
But they are playing with fire.
I'm not going to sugarcoat iteither.
And the UPC, the UnitedPentecostal Church.
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It's a oneness church.
Their official statement onlineis we don't go by historic
creeds, we just go by the.
Bible.
Well, when you say that, whenyou get rid of all of 2,000
years of church history and justsay that it was all because
they were Catholics, that's sounwise.
We're getting rid of so muchknowledge.
And the Council of Nicaea wasbased on the Bible much
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knowledge.
And the Council of Nicaea wasbased on the Bible.
And there's a fairy tale outthere that Council of Nicaea was
where we put the scriptures andthe canon.
Anybody with any historicalknowledge knows that's not true.
If you've ever watched a moviethe Da Vinci Code or read the
book, it kind of makes thatclaim that that's where we put
the scriptures together and wegot rid of all the bad books we
didn't want.
Listen, you can still readthose bad books, you know?
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Remember the History Channel'sbanned from the Bible.
Guess what I have, the Apocrypha, guess what I have a lot of
those writings.
I have the book of Enoch.
It's okay to read.
There might be some wisdom inthere, but it's not God-breathed
scripture and a lot of theearly church didn't use
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God-breathed scripture.
There was some debate with thecanon, but we pretty much had a
settled canon, okay.
So let's get over that crap.
We're smarter than that.
It's a deception from the devilto lead people to hell.
Let's reject it and move on.
And I want to read you a fewBible verses that confirm the
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Trinity, that confirm who Jesusis not just talking about church
history.
We're actually going to go tothe Holy Scripture.
I believe in Sola Scriptura andlet's get meaning by Scripture
alone, by faith alone.
I believe in the five solosSola Scriptura, sola Fide, faith
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alone, sola Gradias, gracealone, sola Christola, christ
alone, sola Deo Gloria, theglory of God alone.
Forgive me for not speakingthose words correctly.
I might not have them on mylips the best, but I have them
in my heart.
But let's go to the HolyScripture and see who Jesus was.
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Okay, I'm going to read you afew Bible verses, but I want to
clarify this is what I'm tryingto prove by reading you these
Bible verses Jesus was eternal,not created from God the Father,
but eternal with God the Father.
Jesus is God the Son, the secondpart of the Trinity.
He was truly God and he wastruly human, 100%, both.
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At time it was called the haperstatic union.
He created the world, he wasborn of the Virgin Mary, lived a
sinless life, died on the crossfor the redemption of the world
was resurrected and sits at theright hand of the Father, and
he is the only way to be saved,the only way to go to God, the
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Father and heaven.
You can't be saved by adifferent religion, you can't.
You can learn some good morals,but you cannot go to heaven
outside of Jesus.
Let me stress this there isonly one way to be saved and
that is through Jesus.
All else will not be saved,saved, and that is through Jesus
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.
All else will not be saved.
I say that out of love and fearand trembling, not out of hate
and prosecution.
I needed to be saved, eventhough I went to church my whole
life and my grandfather was aminister.
I needed to be saved of my sinsand I'm thankful that God saved
me.
Okay, now let's go To the Bible.
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I'm actually going to go to thefirst Genesis, chapter 26.
I'm reading now the New KingJames Version.
Then God said Let us make manin our own image and according
to our likeness.
Let them have dominion Overfish of the sea.
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And to the topic, verse 26.
God said let us make men, manin our own image, according to
our likeness.
Okay now I've heard some peoplesay that this was him talking
to angels that he had made.
I don't believe that one bit.
Um, I respect it.
You can still believe that andgo to heaven, okay, but I don't
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think that's right.
He's saying let us make man inour image, okay, meaning we have
the image of God.
God has gave us our image.
We are image bearers.
So I think that this is God thefather speaking to god the son
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and god the holy spirit sayinglet us make men in our image.
Okay.
I'm going to go to first johnone one.
This is a very famous passagefrom the scriptures.
First john one one in thebeginning was the word and the
word was with God and the Wordwas God.
Okay, let's pause right there.
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Let's not read anymore until weanalyze this.
In the beginning was the Word,who was the Word?
The Word is Jesus, okay, andthe Word was with God, okay.
So the Word, jesus, jesus, waswith God.
God who?
God the Father?
He's also with God the HolySpirit, okay, and he and the
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word was God.
Okay, so Jesus was God, jesuswas with God.
And then a lot of times I'll belike how does that make any
sense at all?
I can understand the confusion,but Jesus was with God the
Father in heaven and God theHoly Spirit in heaven, while
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also being God.
Okay, I'm gonna read verse 2.
He was in the beginning withGod.
Okay, let's stop there.
He was in the beginning withGod, okay.
So Jesus, being the word, alsobeing God was in the beginning
with God.
He was not created.
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Since the beginning of theuniverse that God created, jesus
being a part of that, he waswith God.
So, eternally there has alwaysbeen ever existing Jesus as God
the Son and God the Father isGod the Father and God the Holy
Spirit is God the Holy Spirit.
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All things were made throughhim.
Capital H Without him, nothingwas made that was made.
So, and this is why I thinkGenesis 1, 26 is God the Father
talking to God the Son and Godthe Holy Spirit.
All things were made throughhim and without him there was
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nothing that was made.
Jesus made everything.
Jesus made this world, jesusmade this planet, he made me and
he made you.
He made matter, he made time,he made space.
He made me and he made you.
He made matter, he made time,he made space.
Okay, god the Father and Godthe Son and God the Holy Spirit
made everything.
Okay, I'm going to go back upone more time because I know it
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can be confusing.
John 1.1.
In the beginning was the Wordand the Word was God and the
Word was with God.
The Word Jesus and the Word waswith God.
So this isn't modalism, thisisn't Jesus putting on the mode
of the Father, this isn't Jesusputting on the mode of the Holy
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Spirit.
This is Jesus, this is the word, this is the Son being with God
.
Okay, he's not putting on anattribute.
He is God, the Son, not anattribute.
He is and he is with God andthe Word was God.
I think that's very clear, okay,I think John 1 is 100% a case
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for the Trinity.
It also gets rid of Arianism,which says that Jesus was
created.
That's right there.
You can say Arianism, heresy,modalism, heresy.
Okay, now it's one worse thanthe other.
They're both pretty bad.
Let's stay away from them.
Okay, I'm going to go to anotherscripture out of the Old
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Testament, psalms 110, verse 1.
The Lord said to my Lord set atmy right hand till I make your
enemies your footstool.
Okay, let's go back.
Let's read it again.
The Lord said to my Lord set atmy right hand till I make your
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enemies your footstool.
Okay.
So David's Lord said to my Lord.
So David's Lord said to my Lordit kind of seems like this is
the Trinity.
God the Father said to God theSon Okay, and I pulled this up
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in the Blue Letter Bible usingthe Hebrew conordinates and it
breaks down word for word.
It's even clearer.
Actually, the Lord said to myLord said to my right hand till
I make you your enemies yourfootstool, so we have the
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Trinity in the Old Testament.
Okay, now I'm going to go toback to the Gospel of John,
chapter 14.
You can pause the podcast andread these Bible verses and
highlight them.
This is John 14, starting atverse 6.
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This is red letters.
Jesus said them.
This is red letters.
Jesus said them.
Okay.
Jesus said unto them I am theway, the truth and the life.
No man comes to the Fatherexcept through me.
If you had known me, you wouldhave known my Father and from
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now on you know him and haveseen him.
Okay, so what Jesus is saying?
We're going to go back to versesix.
I like to double read things.
It's good to have clarification.
Jesus said to him I am the way,the truth and the life.
No man comes to the Fatherthrough me, except through me.
Let's break this down I'm theway, I'm the truth and the life.
That doesn't mean he's a way, atruth and a life.
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He's the way, the truth and thelife.
No one comes to the Father,nobody.
Nobody can come to God, theFather, except through me,
except through him.
So he's the only way to go toheaven.
That's what Jesus is saying.
I'm the only way to go to heaven.
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That's not me being mean.
I'm coming down as a sacrificeto die for your sins because you
couldn't do it.
I died for you because I lovedyou.
I regenerated your heartbecause you were unconditionally
depraved and gave you the freewill to choose me or to deny me.
And I used a lot of languagesthere that would have Calvinist
and Arminian fighting.
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I did that on purpose and Ithink everything I said is true.
Okay, you're the.
But regardless if you're anArminian or if you're a
Calvinist, that's just true.
The only way you can go toheaven is through Jesus.
That's it Okay.
Through faith and grace alonein Jesus.
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Whether you make the consciousdecision by your own free will
to accept him after he generatesyour heart, or if God makes you
accept him through his divineplan, I think they go hand in
hand.
Okay, I think he has to.
The only way anyone can everget saved is if your heart is
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regenerated.
Calvin was right about that,but I believe God gives you the
free will to turn away and walkaway or say, yes, lord.
And that's not me saving myself.
Okay, if God gives me theopportunity for and that's not
me saving myself.
Okay, if God gives me theopportunity for salvation, I'm
not saving myself.
If a lifeguard is throwing, heis throwing.
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A lifesaver puts it right nextto me.
All I have to do is reach outand have faith in that.
Okay, that's not me savingmyself.
That lifeguard still saved me,the same way that Jesus came
down, died for me and then gaveme the opportunity to accept or
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deny him, and it is by faithalone that God gets us saved.
Okay, forgive me for myCalvinism and Arminian talk.
Let's get back to Jesus.
If you had known me, you wouldhave known my Father.
So Jesus is saying if you knowme, you know my Father, and from
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now on you know Him and haveHim.
So if you have Jesus, you haveGod the Father.
I'm going to go to one morescripture and talk about oneness
and modalism once again.
Okay, luke, chapter 3, verses21 through 22.
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When the people were baptized,that came to pass.
That Jesus also was baptized,and while he prayed, the heavens
was opened and the Holy Spiritdescended in bodily form like a
dove upon him and the voice camefrom heaven which said you are
my beloved Son and you I am wellpleased.
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Okay, we see all three personsof the Trinity in these two
verses.
Jesus is getting baptized.
We see the Holy Spirit comingdown like a dove upon him and a
voice from the heaven says youare my son, in whom I am well
pleased.
That is God the Father, god theSon, god the Holy Spirit.
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Now, oneness.
I've heard their excuse forthis or their explanation for
this.
It's very poor.
They said that was all three ofthem were Jesus and he was
doing all three of them at thesame time in all three different
modes.
So, god, he's just being aventriloquist.
Okay, I'm not trying to bedisrespectful, but that's the
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picture that I feel like you'repainting.
He's being a ventriloquist andhe's acting like he's free
different people okay, or he isfree different people and one
Godhood.
Okay, one God, free differentpeople, and one Godhood, one God
, free, different people.
That makes so much more sensethan modalism, than oneness.
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This verse disproves allmodalism.
It disproves all oneness.
The Trinity is right in thisverse.
You have to see it.
You don't have to go back tochurch history.
You don't have to go back tochurch history and you don't
have to go back to Nicaea.
You can just go to Luke 21through 22 and see that the
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Trinity is at work and is inexistence.
Don't deny your heart becauseyou've been taught a theology
your entire life.
Please don't do that.
Okay, if I've been taughtsomething that is wrong, I
reject it.
Okay, I love my grandfather,but I think he's wrong about a
few things I do, because I thinkthe Bible tells me otherwise.
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He's still biblical, he's stillgoing to heaven.
He's still an OrthodoxChristian in his beliefs and
when I say Orthodox, I mean hisbeliefs are historically
Christian and they don't hideand run away from the early
church.
And they don't hide and runaway from the Bible.
Okay, he believes in grace andfaith alone to get to salvation
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through Jesus.
Now, I have some differenceswhen it comes to sanctification
with him.
I have some differences when itcomes to women and ministry
with him and when it comes tothe idea of holiness.
Okay, and I believe in holiness, but I don't believe that we
can ever be totally holy whileon this planet.
I'm not saying he does believethat, but a lot of holiness
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people do believe that, but alot of holiness people do I'm.
And one of the reason I forgotto mention why I still consider
myself a Baptist is I don't 100%believe in eternal security,
but I'm very, very close to it.
I think if you accept JesusChrist as your Lord and Savior,
repent of your sins, acknowledgethe gospel and repent of your
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sins and say I'm a sinner, okay,I believe the only way you can
apostate and walk away is say Idon't want to be with you
anymore, god, and you can dothat by your words or your
actions.
Most of the time, it's youractions.
Okay, you just live acompletely sinful life and you
don't care about God.
You can tell them by theirfruits.
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With that being said, does thatmean if I stumble in a sin that
I'm going to hell, if Istruggle with a sin that I'm
going to hell, even if Istruggle with it to the point
where I die with that sin.
Am I going to hell?
People in the holiness movementa lot of them would say, yes, no
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, sin can go through to heaven.
But my God is bigger than that.
He came down because I couldn'tdo it.
Because Josh Scott, becauseanybody else, because Billy
Graham, because of Pope Francis,because Donald Trump or Joseph
Biden, it doesn't matter, pickTaylor Swift, we couldn't do it.
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That's why I don't think we canlive a sinless life on this
planet.
We can't do it.
And people that talk about cheapgrace, that think that, oh, you
have cheap grace if you go onsinning and still believe that
you're a Christian, you can'tlive this life without going on.
You can't live this lifewithout sinning.
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You cannot go one week withoutsinning.
I bet you can't go a daywithout sinning, and sometimes I
struggle to get a minutewithout sinning.
Okay, because I am totallydeprived and I need Jesus.
But I also know that that sinnature that is inside of me,
that's the old Josh, that is thedead Josh, and I am now alive
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in Jesus.
I am alive in Jesus foreverbecause he came down, he died
for me so I can go to heaven.
Because he said I know he can'tdo it.
I know he can't do it, so I'mgoing to go and die for Josh and
I will forgive him.
Jesus died for our past sins.
He died for our present sins.
And this is where people don'tlike it.
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This is where it rubs the wrongway.
He died for our future sins.
He died for us, yet we werestill sinners.
Now, can you walk away?
Can you make your heart so hardby living in such rebellion
that you turn away from God?
Yeah, you can.
Yeah, you can, but I don't knowhow often that really happens.
I'm not saying it never happens, because it does.
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Okay, it does happen.
Don't do it.
Don't play with sin.
Run from all of it.
I still sin.
I struggle with sin.
I have a lot of things Istruggle with.
I struggle not just sin.
I struggle.
I'm going to be open, I'm goingto be real with you.
I struggle with image.
I struggle with depression.
I struggle with lust.
I struggle with where God wantsme and what he wants me in my
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calling.
I want to be open and I want tobe transparent with that.
But I do know this I know if Isay the F word because I'm about
to wreck and die in a car wreckand I get scared, I know that
if I say the F word before I dieand it's immediate, I don't
have time to say I'm sorry,jesus, that his grace is
sufficient enough.
Even though I said a horribleword and even though that I did
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something that was awful, I knowthat God will still accept me
in his kingdom.
I know that if I mess up and ifI'm scrolling on TikTok or
Instagram or Twitter and I see agirl that's really pretty and
she's wearing inappropriateclothes and a bad fault comes
from my head I'm not talkingabout pornography, I'm just
talking about the fault.
Jesus said if you look at awoman in, you committed adultery
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with her heart.
He's not even talking aboutadultery.
He's just talking about someonewalking down the street in
Palestine and she was lookingpretty good.
That's all he was talking about.
I know that if I have an impurefault in my head, that Jesus
died for me because of that,because I'm a sinner and I know
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that I won't go to hell for thatand I can take a step back and
I can say Jesus, where can Iimprove my life?
Where can I say I am wrong?
And for all those people thatsay that's leaving in Jeep grace
if you say a cuss word everyonce in a while.
If you do this, if your dressisn't 100% down, if your dress
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isn't to your ankles and you'renot wearing any makeup and
la-la-la-la-la-la-la crap,legalism, crap.
Okay, I know my God's biggerthan that.
I know my God's bigger thanthat.
I know my God knows my heartand my God says that my heart
was desperately wicked and hadto have salvation so he came
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down and died for me.
But I also know he knows myheart.
With Jesus, this is a lotdifferent and I have sinned
since 2012.
I don't believe I've ever trulywalked away 100% from God and
said I don't want you by myactions, but I did some horrible
things that I'm very ashamed ofand since I've been married,
I've tried to commit myselffully to God and to my wife and
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said I was wrong.
I know I was wrong forpremarital sex.
I know I was wrong forpornography.
I know I was wrong for this andthat and that and this and this
and that I'm just naming thecultural big Christian sins
right now.
Okay, when we talk about cheapgrace, you know what cheap grace
is If God can't forgive you forsaying the F word.
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If you're going down Interstate81, when you see a big tractor
trailer, let's say I don't know,you got lost in your mind and
you didn't hit the brake in time, you say the F word, it kills
you, takes you out.
I think that's pretty cheapgrace.
So God's atonement you'retelling me my Jesus' atonement
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on the cross isn't big enough toforgive that because I didn't
repent before I died.
That's works, that's legalism Ihate it.
I hate it.
It's crap.
It's pure crap.
It's not true.
Now, and there are also I knowsome people will say that's a
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cop-out there are false converts.
There are people that believethat they're converting to
Christianity and they haven'tOkay.
And then there are people thatwalk away from the faith, and
this is a hard point in theology.
This is the debates.
Okay, I definitely think thatyou can walk away from the faith
.
I do.
I believe in free will.
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I'm an Arminian.
Okay, I believe that you canaccept Jesus Christ as your Lord
and Savior.
Harden your heart with so muchsin.
Walk away and just say I don'tcare anymore.
You might still acknowledge himwith your mind, but not your
actions.
That's a scary place to be too.
Man Don't ever play with anysin, but God's grace is
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sufficient to keep us Now.
Now I want to go back.
Paul tells us does that mean wesin more, but so grace will
increase more?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Stay away from sin, guys.
It'll kill you.
It's what put Jesus on thecross and what breaks my heart.
You know what breaks my heartmore than anything?
And the reason I try not to sinmore than anything isn't
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because I'm afraid of hell.
I try my best to stay away fromsin because it hurts my Father,
it hurts God the Father, and ithurts God the Son and it hurts
God the Holy Spirit.
That's why I try not to sin.
When you play with sin, whenyou go back and you look on the
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web on things you shouldn't, orwhen you maybe steal something
that you shouldn't, or whatever,it is okay.
You're playing with the nailsthat the Romans put in Jesus'
hands.
The Romans didn't kill Jesus.
The Jews didn't kill Jesus.
There's a debate between whokilled Jesus, the Romans or the
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Jews.
We did.
I did.
Josh Scott killed Jesus.
Billy Graham killed Jesus, popeFrancis killed Jesus.
Billy Graham killed Jesus, popeFrancis killed Jesus.
Donald Trump killed Jesus.
And guess what?
And yet did the Romans killJesus?
Did the Jews kill Jesus?
Yes, but not them alone.
We all did.
We all killed Jesus in our sin.
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And every time we sin, everytime we play with sin, even if
we have salvation, we're playingwith the nails that put him on
the cross.
Oh, someone, I heard that lastweek and it broke me.
Man, how can I play with thenails that was drove in the
Savior's hand?
How can we do that?
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And I've done it, and you'vedone it, and we continue to do
it, but we have to continue toget out of it.
We have to continue to get outof it, guys.
We don't want tolive like that.
I don't want to hurt my father.
I don't want to hurt God theSon or God the Holy Spirit.
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I don't want to hurt theTrinity.
I don't want to hurt God.
I love them.
I want my heart to be so fullof love for God that you can see
it down the road.
We should be like a hill.
We should be like a city on ahill, shining for all to see.
You don't light a lamp and putit under a bed.
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You let everyone see it.
Oh man, I'm sorry for the rant,but not really.
This is kind of why I wanted tostart the podcast, talk about
theology and God and try toreach the people through the
internet.
That's one thing.
I've also been praying and Iwant my audience to pray too.
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I've been feeling God tellingme to get back into my calling,
even though I don't deserve it,and I've done things I'm ashamed
of, and that calling's notbehind the pulpit right now.
One day, I think it may be okay,but not right now.
I've had in my heart to holdsigns on the road or the
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interstate with a Bible verseand talk to people about Jesus
and kind of like Ray Comfortdoes, and I think that's how we
can win people to Christ and I'mgoing to try to put a team
together, not through me, justthrough the new church I'm going
to, and please be in prayer forthat.
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I want to do it safely, I wantto do it legally and I want
God's hand to be in it and Iwant it to be all about him,
nothing about me, and I hope itcan bless.
And if they don't go to theparticular building that I go to
to worship on, that's okay.
If they go up on the hill,that's okay, as long as they're
part of the universal CatholicChurch and we get scared of the
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term Catholic because of theRoman Catholic Church.
But all Catholic meant in theearly days in church history
meant was God's family, it wasthe family of God.
The Romans would scream if theyheard me say that.
But all Catholic meant was theuniversal church.
Okay.
When God said I want them to beone, I don't think he meant
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they have to go to the samebuilding and the same
denomination.
I don't even go to the.
I go to a non-denominationalchurch and there's problems with
non-denominational churches,just like there is
denominational churches.
Did you know that there'sproblems in all of them?
Because we're human beings?
But we need to go to a good,universal church that believes
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in the holy scripture, that cantake you to heaven and hear that
.
And we can have conversationsabout Arminianism and Calvinism
and we can fight like cats anddogs in love in a good debate.
Okay, as long as it's grace andfaith alone in Jesus.
And I think there's a lot ofCatholics going to heaven too.
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Okay, I care if you reallybelieve the true Jesus and if
you're truly saved.
Listen, if you're not saved,please, please, please, repent
of your sins and accept Jesus asyour Lord and Savior, because
it doesn't matter who'spresident and it doesn't matter
who's delegate, and it doesn'tmatter who's congressman or
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governor or king.
If you don't have salvation,your life after this one will be
awful.
Okay, I'm saying this out oflove.
I love you, I want you to go toheaven.
I want everyone on this planetto go to heaven.
So how do we do that?
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We've got to meet people wherethey are and talk to them about
the gospel.
Let's do that, everyone.
Thank you for thisover-opinionated episode.
It was a lot different than allthe others and I am so, so, so,
so happy to be with you Nextweek.
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If we have the debates next week, I will do a debate review from
the Republican Party.
If not, I'll just talk aboutgeneral politics and we'll
obviously have a verse ofscripture.
We had a bunch of verses ofscripture so you can pick your
own for the verse of the day andI'll tweet one for the podcast
or I'll X'd one Also.
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One also just side rant.
Changing the name from twitterto x was so stupid.
I like Elon Musk when it comesto some things.
I pray for Elon.
Pray for Elon Musk to get safe.
He's not safe, okay.
I like Elon Musk when it comesto some things, but when it
comes to other things, I meanmean, I don't know, that was
weird, that was just weird, um,but but I'll I'll social media
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verse and then you can pick yourverse to be the verse of the
day for the podcast too.
Get back in touch with me, giveme feedback.
I love feedback.
Check out the Darrell McLeanshow.
I like Darrell.
He's, um a good friend of mine.
I like Daryl he's a good friendof mine and we're fellow
podcasters.
We disagree on some things inlove, and I think it'd be kind
of crazy if we agreed oneverything, wouldn't it?
But he's a good biblicalChristian and he's a Calvinist,
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oh no, but I love him.
He's a good guy.
Please go.
If you want to support thispodcast by financial means,
which you don't have to at all,it's not required.
I don't want your money, I wantyour ears, I want your heart.
I'd rather you pray for thepodcast and talk about it and
share it.
I'm not making a lot of moneyon this podcast.
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I'm actually losing money.
But if you want to give me somemoney and I'm not doing this
for money If you want to give mesome money To help me out with
the podcast, you can go towwwoveropinionated679.com.
The O in over Is capitalized inthose spaces.
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God bless you.
Jesus is king and I hope to seeyou next week.
God bless you all, thank you.
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