May 13, 2025 • 26 mins
Are you chasing after success but still feel a void in your life? In this engaging episode, we dive into the journey of Kevin, a remarkable individual who transformed his struggles into a powerful narrative of growth and fulfillment. He opens up about his background, where he faced significant hurdles, including a challenging upbringing and his battle with depression despite having what seemed like a successful life on the surface.
We explore the profound realization that success does not solely hinge on external achievements but rather on aligning your life with core values and personal aspirations. This compelling conversation also delves into the role of gratitude as an essential ingredient in finding true joy and fulfillment. Kevin introduces the concept of “grateful ambition,” highlighting the importance of maintaining a balance between appreciation and the drive to achieve.
Listeners will gain valuable insights on how to redefine their understanding of success, learn practical strategies for taking actionable steps toward their goals, and understand the emotional landscape that accompanies the journey of self-discovery. Kevin's story serves as a powerful reminder that the pursuit of happiness is not about ticking boxes but embracing the growth and challenges that shape our lives.
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TLDR:
- Kevin shares his inspiring story of overcoming significant challenges
- Identifies the real definition of success beyond societal norms
- Explores the importance of grateful ambition in personal growth
- Discusses actionable steps for taking imperfect action toward goals
- Encourages aligning core values with aspirations for greater fulfillment
- Imparts insights on choosing struggles that lead to growth and joy
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome back to the next episode of
Overcome Yourself, the podcast.
As you know, my name is Nicole.
I'm so excited to be here todaywith Kevin.
Kevin, take it away.
You have an incredible story,so please let us know about who
you are and who you help.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, first of all, nicole, I appreciate you having
me.
I am excited to chat so today.
I am the founder and the hostof Next Level University.
We're a global top 100 podcastwith we just recorded it 1,990
episodes.
That's amazing.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
We have listeners in 175 pluscountries and we do an episode
(00:40):
every day.
So our thing is we help youlevel up your life, your love,
your health and your wealthself-improvement in your pocket,
every single day, from anywhereon the planet, completely free.
But obviously that is not whereI started, right.
That's where I am today.
That is not where I started.
I am somebody who was raised bymy mom and my grandmother.
I didn't know my dad.
(01:00):
I didn't meet my dad with theunderstanding that he was my
father until I was 27.
Well, obviously that plays arole in a young man's life and
it plays a role in my life today.
Still, we grew up lower middleclass, didn't have a lot of
money.
We talked often about how wedidn't know how we were going to
pay rent.
So that is something thataffected me as a young man and
(01:22):
still affects me to this day.
Outside of that, childhood waspretty normal, where things got
kind of weird for me was in highschool.
I knew I didn't want to go tocollege, wasn't sure what I
wanted to do.
But it didn't make sense to meto go to college and pay $25,000
a year to just kind of try tofigure out my life.
So I got a job at a local gasstation and that was my first
(01:46):
big boy job.
From there I was a personaltrainer, I was a truck driver, I
was a forklift operator, Icleaned floors and bathrooms at
a hospital overnight,construction tiling, on-call
firefighter many differentthings all over the place,
trying to figure out what Iwanted to do.
Eventually I got a job in anindustry called weatherization.
(02:11):
All that means is we would gointo large buildings and make
them more energy efficient theeasiest way to explain it.
So I essentially went frommaking $15 an hour as a
construction laborer to anywherefrom 60 to $120 an hour at this
new job.
Nice, it seemed it.
Nicole.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It definitely seemed it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I was thinking the same thing.
I thought well, here I am in mymid twenties.
I'm going to accomplish things.
I'm going to be way moresuccessful than I thought.
What is there to really worryabout?
So if you looked at me when Iwas 25, I had this job.
I was getting ready to competein a bodybuilding show, so I was
quite literally in the bestshape I'll ever be in.
My girlfriend at the time was amodel.
(02:54):
I had a nice car, we had a newapartment, I had great friends.
All of the things seemed likethey were just amazing.
How could you possibly beunhappy?
But I was.
I was super depressed, I wasanxious.
I was self-conscious.
My girlfriend ended up leavingme because I was a shell of the
person that she fell in lovewith.
(03:14):
And I ended up sitting on theedge of a bed the next year
contemplating suicide because Iwas so.
I felt so hopeless, I felt sostuck.
I didn't know what I wanted todo.
I just I Felt like I shouldhave been way happier and way
more fulfilled and way moregrateful for the things that I
had accomplished Than I was, andI think that was just really
really hard for me.
So I ended up leaving that joba few months after that suicidal
(03:38):
ideation and then I had apodcast.
I went full-time into thistrying to figure out how to make
it work.
And here we are eight years,seven or eight years later and
now we get to do this full-timeand a lot of the things and the
goals and the dreams that I hadhave kind of come true quote
unquote.
But I still deal with impostersyndrome.
I still have days where I don'tbelieve in myself.
(03:59):
I still have limiting beliefs.
So while I think my story is agood example of having very
little expectations, of yourself, kind of over-delivering what
you thought was possible, Istill deal with stuff.
I am not complete, I am notwhole.
There are still things that I'mgoing to have to work through
and with for the rest of my life, and I don't mean that as like
(04:20):
a downer, but I don't wantanybody to have false
expectations of what growth willdo for them.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I absolutely love it.
I think this is such animportant topic and it's a whole
chapter in my book where I talkabout success and what does it
mean?
Because it's not going to meanthe same thing for everybody.
And what's the point of havingthis great big house and this
brand new car and all the moneyin the world if you don't have,
(04:51):
like, a family, and that's whatyou actually wanted?
You know, like you pushedeverybody away because you're so
busy doing the thing and I gotto get all the things and then
everybody hates you, like what'sthe point, right?
And so learning to really setour what is success for me?
What does it mean?
Does it mean being nice to mykids?
(05:11):
Or does it mean, like, beingmean to them, but I gave them
everything in the world, right?
So can you talk to me a littlebit about that?
And I want to know the where'sthe switch, like what happened
from when you were in your like,low point where you know how
did you overcome yourself?
So talk to me a little bitabout that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So, now more than ever, I think essentially,
success is just an alignment ofcore values, core beliefs and
core aspirations.
Love it.
So you essentially just said itright.
I've I've met a lot of peoplethat say I want to be, I want to
be a super successful businessowner who has this, this, this
and this.
And then when you sit down andsay, hey, how important is it
(05:52):
for you to be at, like familydinners every night?
Oh, it's the most important.
Okay, cool.
What about?
Like your kids' sports gamesand stuff like that?
Oh, it's the most important.
Honestly, I don't think youshould do what I'm doing,
because even if you doaccomplish the goals that you
think you want, I think youmight regret it.
That is just a realignment ofcore values, core beliefs and
core aspirations.
So I 1,000% agree with that.
(06:16):
This is always a hard questionfor me, because so I had
suicidal ideations.
I was sitting on the edge of abed just thinking to myself if I
was just to take my life, Iwould take all my problems with
me.
I messaged my business partner,who was just a friend at the
time.
He gave me perspective, he gaveme hope, he gave me support, he
(06:37):
gave me a shoulder.
I ended up leaving that job afew months later and, honestly,
when I left that job, mydepression essentially went away
, circumstantially, I understandnot everybody has that
opportunity.
So I'm not saying leave yourjob.
I was single, I didn't have anycar payments, I didn't have a
mortgage, I didn't have a family.
It was a little bit different,right.
(06:57):
What I would say is I think Iwent from a life that had very
little fulfillment and it hadmomentary bouts of happiness, to
a life that it was essentiallyfilled with fulfillment and
still had momentary bouts ofhappiness.
So I did something that Ireally, really, really loved.
(07:19):
It felt deeply meaningful, itfelt like it was more than about
me and it required growth andcontribution, which made me
really feel like I was growingas a human.
That was, I think, one of thebiggest things I did was I made
my life about more than myself,and that was the first time I'd
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ever done that.
It was always about me.
It was always about how muchmoney could I make, it was
always about how good can I look, and I still care about those
things I do, but I care aboutgrowing to the point where all
of those things are going tohappen.
So it now is way more aboutgrowth than it used to be.
So I think there's something tothat for me, where I stopped
(08:00):
focusing on what I could get andI started focusing on how much
I could grow, and I feel likethat was one of the unlocks for
me.
That was a big one.
And then I think the other onewas I was somebody who just
never really believed in myself.
I didn't really think I wascapable of much.
So when I startedself-improvement and I started
(08:20):
saying, okay, today I'm going tostate that I'm going to do one
thing that scares me Cool.
All right, what am I going todo?
Whatever it is, I'm going to goto the mall and have
conversations with strangersCool.
Then I proved to myself that Iwas actually capable of doing
that.
And then I self-assigned yousaid you were going to do it.
You did it.
Now we have proof that you canactually believe in yourself a
(08:42):
little bit more.
That might be like the mostpowerful thing I ever did.
And then I just tried to dothat for the last eight years
and I think now I'm moreconfident than I've ever been,
but that's because I have moreproof than I ever did.
So I would say those, those tworeally, really optimizing more
for fulfillment and then justproving to myself through
(09:03):
state-proof, self-assigned, thatI actually am worthy of success
and I actually should believein myself more than I do.
I think those are probably thebig two.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I love that, and you touched on something that's
really big and really importantfor me.
Another chapter like you're onfire today.
You have not read my book.
I know that Because it's comingout soon.
But happiness, happiness, one ofthe things you know, I was
chasing happiness and youmentioned something similar
(09:33):
along that vein.
But happiness is a chemicalreaction that happens in our
brain, and so when you realizethat it's literally physically
impossible for you to just behappy all the time, because then
it becomes your, your normal,and then you're not happy, and
so I think it's more importantto focus on living in joy, right
(09:54):
, because joy is kind ofsomething that permeates
everything.
It's more of a state of mindversus an emotion, the way I'm
talking about it, like hope,where it's, it's a state of mind
.
It's not necessarily like theemotion that we feel, like
hunger, Right?
Um, the other thing you touchedon that's super important is the
trust deposits, doing tinythings to show yourself hey, I
(10:18):
can do this, I can, you know Ican.
I can make a phone call, I cango to the mall and talk to
someone.
Like I can record a podcastepisode.
I can post one.
The mall and talk to someone.
I can record a podcast episode,I can post one thing on social
media, so I think those arereally really important topics.
Thank you, and it's on thetrajectory of success.
These are things that we haveto face.
(10:39):
We have to be really honestwith ourselves, like you were,
and we have to choose our hard.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So I just said a lot of stuff, so just tell me what
came up for you because I think,unfortunately, a lot of us are
kind of sold a lie where lifepeople say life should be easy
(11:06):
and you should be able to get todo what you want all the time
and it shouldn't be hard and youshouldn't have any resistance
and you shouldn't have anytragedy, and I think that sets
you up for a lot of resistancelater, a lot, a lot, a lot of
resistance.
So I think, choose your heart,choose your struggle.
I think that is really a lot ofresistance.
So I think, choose your heart,choose your struggle.
I think that is really a goodthing to think about.
I would rather have theprivilege of saying I'm going to
go do a really hard workouttoday.
(11:27):
So when I'm 75, getting out ofmy recliner isn't hard.
Now will it still be hard?
I don't know.
I'm not 75.
I've got a ways to go.
(11:56):
No-transcript.
Imagine my life is the mostchallenging it's ever been,
through choice and throughprivileged pressure.
But I mean it's stressful andsome days it sucks and I don't
know how I'm going to getthrough the day and I get to the
end of the evening I'm layingin bed saying I don't know if I
(12:16):
can do that again tomorrow, butI'm so fulfilled.
So I agree, I think happinessis it's you get momentary bouts
of happiness, but you got to bevery, very cautious about how
you get it, because, yeah, youcan go watch porn and be happy,
but that's not really what youwant.
You want what's under that.
(12:38):
More than probably you want thehappiness.
You can watch nine hours ofNetflix on a Sunday and, yeah,
you might get happiness whenyou're doing that, but you're
not necessarily going to getfulfillment right.
So I think there's something tobe said about that.
I think it's it's very importantto understand joy, happiness,
pleasure, fulfillment what dothey mean to you?
What do they actually providefor you?
Fulfillment what do they meanto you?
(13:01):
What do they actually providefor you?
What do you regret that you do?
That makes you happy in themoment.
What do you find gratitude in?
That you find fulfillment in,but it takes a while to feel the
fulfillment.
I think there's a lot ofself-exploration in all of that
and I think it's always worthdoing.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Gratitude huge, that's one of like.
Like the whole first third ofmy book is all about me
discovering the power ofgratitude.
Right, it's so important.
So talk to me about howgratitude played a role in your
journey from you know, the sideof that bed to where you are now
.
Because, like, like you know,we work.
I work with so manyentrepreneurs and to hear you
(13:39):
say that you have, you know,almost 2,000 episodes like
that's, that's insane.
So talk to me a little bitabout how gratitude played a
part in that for you.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
If it did it.
Yeah, it definitely did.
It was I.
I think it probably wasn't theway that maybe a lot of people
might think.
There was a time where I wasjournaling every day, and every
day I'd sit down and write outthree things I was grateful for.
I still do.
I still journal pretty muchevery day.
But for me, what I like to do isI like to have grateful
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ambition.
So I like to have the jugglingact of I'm grateful for what I
have, what I've created andwhat's in my life now, but I'm
also very ambitious to createthe things that I want.
I don't want to fall intocontentment.
I don't want to be contentbecause if I'm content I'm going
to stop growing.
I want to be grateful andambitious at the same time.
(14:29):
So I think it comes to thepoint of grounding myself in
what I already have and makingsure I don't forget about that,
and then really looking to thefuture to see what we want to
create in the future.
So yeah, for me it's kind ofthe juggling act of, of both of
those and trying not to go toofar into either.
(14:49):
I don't just want to begrateful, right, I want to be.
Let me show my gratitudethrough my action.
But I also can't just beambitious and say I haven't
accomplished anything and all ofthis is useless and it doesn't
mean anything until I get toblank part there.
There's something to be saidabout that and, just as a story
(15:10):
because I think this if I heardthis at the beginning, I think
this would have helped me a tonthere was a day it was last year
somewhere, I think it was likea random Wednesday or Thursday
where we crossed a milliondollars in the business and a
million listens on the same day.
Wow, cool.
It was interesting, like what acoincidence, and I didn't feel
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nearly most of the feelings thatI thought I would have felt,
and there's something to be saidabout that.
I think the reason is I wasambitious to get to that but so
much had changed in inside of mealong the way.
It's not like I went from oneto a million.
I went from 990 somethingthousand to a million, so I had
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already been grateful for itlong before it happened and I
was so ambitious to get therethat when I got there it was
kind of like okay, now what?
I think that's a really goodexample for all of us.
There are so many things inyour life that maybe you haven't
been giving the gratitude thatit deserves.
But also don't be afraid to saythat there are still some
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things that I really want toaccomplish and there's some some
stones that I haven't turnedover yet.
But just make sure that you'renot expecting the ambition to
make you feel a certain way.
I think it's just that.
Just make sure that you're notexpecting the ambition to make
you feel a certain way.
I think it's just that.
Just make sure you understandwhat gratitude is really doing
for you and what your ambitionis really doing for you, because
if not, we can fall into likean if-then.
(16:38):
If I get this, then I'll begrateful.
Yeah, it doesn't really workthat way.
If I get this, then I'll beambitious.
Yeah, it doesn't really workthat way.
If I get this, then I'll beambitious.
Yeah, it doesn't really workthat way.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Just understanding that has been super helpful for
me.
I love that, um, the other sideof that.
So, um, when I was about 21, Iwent to the doctor and he was
like yo, you have the back of adisabled elderly woman and if
you don't change something,you're gonna be able to
wheelchair in less than fiveyears.
That was more than 10 years ago, right.
And so now I'm walking like35,000 steps when I go to
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Halloween horror nights.
You, right and like I built upto that.
But I discovered gratitude waswhat helped me, like to, to, to.
To compliment what you weresaying.
I was grateful for pain, becausepain meant that I still had a
fighting chance.
Because if I couldn't feel mylegs anymore, well then now you
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know, I have a friend that thathappened to and then that's it.
She couldn't walk anymore andshe had to go have surgery,
right.
And so I looked at the pain as,hey, I'm grateful for this pain
because I still have a chanceto fight.
That means that I still have achance to get stronger, to do
something about this, and so Ithink it's really, really
important to focus on.
You know what I talk to myclients what can I do from right
(17:54):
here?
I'm grateful that I haveinternet access through my phone
, so I might not be able to likeblog on my website because I
don't have a keyboard right, butyou can still do something from
your phone.
And using gratitude to createaction.
I'm grateful for where I am,because right now is the only
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thing that exists, but I'm alsograteful to be working towards
this thing, and I love to teachusing gratitude for future
things.
I'm grateful for the milliondollars.
Right, that's quantum physics.
Like you believe, you have it,it's going to appear in front of
you.
There's going to be action thathas to happen.
But quantum physics says, hey,what you're focusing on, right,
(18:40):
I forgot the name of the law butwhat we focus on, that is our
perception and that's how we'regoing to see the world.
Right, and so looking foropportunities.
But, yes, taking action, takingimperfect action.
You can't just be grateful.
I'm grateful for a milliondollars and then sit down and
wait for it to fall out of thesky.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's not going to work either, I wish.
Well, that's that's why it'shard, because there isn't really
.
The answer is almost never onething.
Yes, it almost never is,because we are beings that are
moving and evolving, and it'susually somewhere in the middle
of two things, but the middle ispersonal and it's a sliding
(19:19):
scale.
So there are some people outthere that need way more
gratitude, for sure.
Yeah, there are other people outthere that probably need more
action.
Maybe you're, maybe you'relocked up with gratitude.
You're good, you do gratitudeevery day, cool, that's the the
next step.
But I think that's what selfdevelopment, self improvement,
whatever personal development,whatever you want to label it,
as it's figuring out what you'realready good at, cool.
(19:43):
We don't need to pour as muchinto that.
Where are our opportunities forgrowth?
Let's focus on those.
Let's feel the feelings of, ahman, I wish I was better, or I
didn't realize I had as muchopportunity for growth there, or
I'm embarrassed.
That's where I'm at, whateverit is.
But to your point, I think it'svery important to have the
(20:04):
admittance factor.
Admit the situation you're in,don't make it worse than it is.
But it might not be superbeneficial to pretend it's
better than it is, but that'swhere I think there's an
opportunity for gratitude, right?
Yes, I got a really baddiagnosis and that kind of sucks
(20:26):
, and I've also had people in mylife who got that same
diagnosis and haven't didn't getthe second chance that I got.
Yes, I'll preface all that withway easier said than done.
All of it is way easier saidthan done, but that is kind of
the container we live in.
For most people almosteverything is way easier said
than done, but it doesn't meanyou can't do the thing
(20:48):
eventually in small enoughdigestible bites.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, absolutely, and it goes back to choosing your
heart.
Right, when I was sitting thereand I had this option, like
exactly what you said, do I wantto choose the heart of getting
strong now and going through thepain of whatever it means to
actually strengthen my back andfix everything that, because
it's the cascading effect, right, when something you know, a big
(21:12):
domino, falls, everything elseis going to start hurting
because it's supporting thatright.
Or do I want to choose the hardof I'm just going to keep doing
what I'm doing until I can't doit anymore.
And now I don't have any otherchoices.
I'm just going to have to sithere and be miserable and look
at woe is me.
And I was like no, I'm going tochoose the hard of facing it
(21:32):
head on.
You know my house is like aphysical therapy office because
I've got all the things you know, like my inversion table, all
my.
You know the the oh my God, thename just went away the cords.
You know, like the tensioncords, right, yeah, the bands.
I have all the things right andit's because of that journey of
(21:54):
choosing my heart and lookingat it in the face and being
honest and be like, hey, if youdon't quit your job as a server
right now carrying those treeslike you're literally not going
to be able to walk, dude.
So like which one is it?
And that's what led to my book,that's what led to this podcast
.
So I love that.
I just I admire your journey.
I think it's amazing whatyou're doing.
(22:15):
You've got so many episodes.
That's like so impressive.
I appreciate it.
Okay, yes, of course.
Now talk to me about how we canstay in touch with you, cause,
like I mean, who wouldn't wantto?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I always suggest just listening to the podcast.
Again, we do an episode everyday, so it's probably the best
way to stay in touch.
If that isn't it, I literallyjust give my email out.
So my email is Kevin at nextlevel universecom.
If you have questions, comments, concerns whatever it is, I do
my own emails.
(22:49):
That's my personal email, sofeel free to message me.
You'd be surprised.
I always give it out.
You're not going to annoy me,you're not going to bug me.
I'm not going to getoverwhelmed with that, like I
promise.
If it resonates and you want toshoot me a message, just do it.
I challenge you.
Maybe that's the thing.
Maybe that's the thing that'soutside of your comfort zone.
You just heard a stranger on apodcast that you've never met
(23:10):
and you may never meet in person.
It's nervous to start newconversations.
Shoot me an email and we'll seehow it goes.
I'm sure it'll go better thanyou think.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I love it and you know, like in the four hour work
week that's one of the thingsthat Tim Ferriss talks about
like send the email, because somany people could send the email
and then they talk themselvesout of it.
And so sometimes those peopleon top, like these people,
they're they're excited to readyour email.
They're like, oh, it's just,you know, someone that's not
asking something of me, theydon't.
You know, they don't want money, they don't want this, they
(23:40):
don't want that.
They just want to say hi, um,and so shoot your shot.
I love it like message kevinshot yes, yes and um, you
mentioned something about a giftfor the audience, was it?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
yeah, so we have a free course.
I'll have to I gotta get nicolethe link because I don't know
there's been a lot of stuffgoing on the website and a
website redesign and all thisbut we have a free course.
I believe it's called the nextlevel five to thrive, where we
talk about the five things thatmake the biggest difference in
growth.
If that's not it, we haveanother one.
We get a lot of free stuff, soI'll make sure you get something
(24:13):
free and valuable.
That'll.
That'll be the uh, my, myhomework after we get off of
here.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That sounds awesome and that link will be available
down in the show notes and it'llbe just for you guys.
So make sure you check outKevin's podcast and get access
to your free gift.
All right, kevin.
So last, before we sign off,final tip like what's that big
tip, like the one that helpsyour clients get the best
(24:38):
results?
Like what do you tell?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
them, honestly, one of the things, and it sounds so
unsexy.
But if you're struggling tostart something new, one of the
reasons you're struggling tostart, it might be because it's
too big, so break it down intobite-sized things.
I think we're recording thistowards the end of February,
(25:05):
given up on their new year'sresolutions, and the reason is
we took a year's worth of goalsand results and we put them into
one statement and it's just.
It seems inedible, and for alot of us it is.
So don't be embarrassed tobreak stuff down into very, very
, very, very small,accomplishable goals.
I'm willing to bet you will getmuch further that way.
While we're at 2000 episodestoday, it started with one and
(25:26):
it started with doing one at atime and it was one a week for a
long time and eventually itwent to two and it went to three
.
We didn't start at seven, westarted at one, just like
everybody.
So I think that there'ssomething to be said about that.
It's not sexy, it's not goingto go viral, that type of
thought process, but I'm willingto bet it will help you in a
very, very meaningful way.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I love that Taking baby steps and being grateful
for that contribution right,because every day, if you do
that, one thing, one episodeevery day, you have 365 episodes
at the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's insane.
And all you did was one a day.
Big things start small.
All you did was one a day.
It adds up Big things startsmall.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I love that.
So take imperfect action, guys.
You heard it here first, so Ilove that.
Thank you, guys, so much forjoining us and we will see you
next time on the next episode ofOvercome Yourself, the podcast.
Thanks Bye.
Hello and welcome back to the next episode of
Overcome Yourself, the podcast.
As you know, my name is Nicole.
I'm so excited to be here todaywith Kevin.
Kevin, take it away.
You have an incredible story,so please let us know about who
you are and who you help.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, first of all, nicole, I appreciate you having
me.
I am excited to chat so today.
I am the founder and the hostof Next Level University.
We're a global top 100 podcastwith we just recorded it 1,990
episodes.
That's amazing.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
We have listeners in 175 pluscountries and we do an episode
(00:40):
every day.
So our thing is we help youlevel up your life, your love,
your health and your wealthself-improvement in your pocket,
every single day, from anywhereon the planet, completely free.
But obviously that is not whereI started, right.
That's where I am today.
That is not where I started.
I am somebody who was raised bymy mom and my grandmother.
I didn't know my dad.
(01:00):
I didn't meet my dad with theunderstanding that he was my
father until I was 27.
Well, obviously that plays arole in a young man's life and
it plays a role in my life today.
Still, we grew up lower middleclass, didn't have a lot of
money.
We talked often about how wedidn't know how we were going to
pay rent.
So that is something thataffected me as a young man and
(01:22):
still affects me to this day.
Outside of that, childhood waspretty normal, where things got
kind of weird for me was in highschool.
I knew I didn't want to go tocollege, wasn't sure what I
wanted to do.
But it didn't make sense to meto go to college and pay $25,000
a year to just kind of try tofigure out my life.
So I got a job at a local gasstation and that was my first
(01:46):
big boy job.
From there I was a personaltrainer, I was a truck driver, I
was a forklift operator, Icleaned floors and bathrooms at
a hospital overnight,construction tiling, on-call
firefighter many differentthings all over the place,
trying to figure out what Iwanted to do.
Eventually I got a job in anindustry called weatherization.
(02:11):
All that means is we would gointo large buildings and make
them more energy efficient theeasiest way to explain it.
So I essentially went frommaking $15 an hour as a
construction laborer to anywherefrom 60 to $120 an hour at this
new job.
Nice, it seemed it.
Nicole.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It definitely seemed it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I was thinking the same thing.
I thought well, here I am in mymid twenties.
I'm going to accomplish things.
I'm going to be way moresuccessful than I thought.
What is there to really worryabout?
So if you looked at me when Iwas 25, I had this job.
I was getting ready to competein a bodybuilding show, so I was
quite literally in the bestshape I'll ever be in.
My girlfriend at the time was amodel.
(02:54):
I had a nice car, we had a newapartment, I had great friends.
All of the things seemed likethey were just amazing.
How could you possibly beunhappy?
But I was.
I was super depressed, I wasanxious.
I was self-conscious.
My girlfriend ended up leavingme because I was a shell of the
person that she fell in lovewith.
(03:14):
And I ended up sitting on theedge of a bed the next year
contemplating suicide because Iwas so.
I felt so hopeless, I felt sostuck.
I didn't know what I wanted todo.
I just I Felt like I shouldhave been way happier and way
more fulfilled and way moregrateful for the things that I
had accomplished Than I was, andI think that was just really
really hard for me.
So I ended up leaving that joba few months after that suicidal
(03:38):
ideation and then I had apodcast.
I went full-time into thistrying to figure out how to make
it work.
And here we are eight years,seven or eight years later and
now we get to do this full-timeand a lot of the things and the
goals and the dreams that I hadhave kind of come true quote
unquote.
But I still deal with impostersyndrome.
I still have days where I don'tbelieve in myself.
(03:59):
I still have limiting beliefs.
So while I think my story is agood example of having very
little expectations, of yourself, kind of over-delivering what
you thought was possible, Istill deal with stuff.
I am not complete, I am notwhole.
There are still things that I'mgoing to have to work through
and with for the rest of my life, and I don't mean that as like
(04:20):
a downer, but I don't wantanybody to have false
expectations of what growth willdo for them.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I absolutely love it.
I think this is such animportant topic and it's a whole
chapter in my book where I talkabout success and what does it
mean?
Because it's not going to meanthe same thing for everybody.
And what's the point of havingthis great big house and this
brand new car and all the moneyin the world if you don't have,
(04:51):
like, a family, and that's whatyou actually wanted?
You know, like you pushedeverybody away because you're so
busy doing the thing and I gotto get all the things and then
everybody hates you, like what'sthe point, right?
And so learning to really setour what is success for me?
What does it mean?
Does it mean being nice to mykids?
(05:11):
Or does it mean, like, beingmean to them, but I gave them
everything in the world, right?
So can you talk to me a littlebit about that?
And I want to know the where'sthe switch, like what happened
from when you were in your like,low point where you know how
did you overcome yourself?
So talk to me a little bitabout that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So, now more than ever, I think essentially,
success is just an alignment ofcore values, core beliefs and
core aspirations.
Love it.
So you essentially just said itright.
I've I've met a lot of peoplethat say I want to be, I want to
be a super successful businessowner who has this, this, this
and this.
And then when you sit down andsay, hey, how important is it
(05:52):
for you to be at, like familydinners every night?
Oh, it's the most important.
Okay, cool.
What about?
Like your kids' sports gamesand stuff like that?
Oh, it's the most important.
Honestly, I don't think youshould do what I'm doing,
because even if you doaccomplish the goals that you
think you want, I think youmight regret it.
That is just a realignment ofcore values, core beliefs and
core aspirations.
So I 1,000% agree with that.
(06:16):
This is always a hard questionfor me, because so I had
suicidal ideations.
I was sitting on the edge of abed just thinking to myself if I
was just to take my life, Iwould take all my problems with
me.
I messaged my business partner,who was just a friend at the
time.
He gave me perspective, he gaveme hope, he gave me support, he
(06:37):
gave me a shoulder.
I ended up leaving that job afew months later and, honestly,
when I left that job, mydepression essentially went away
, circumstantially, I understandnot everybody has that
opportunity.
So I'm not saying leave yourjob.
I was single, I didn't have anycar payments, I didn't have a
mortgage, I didn't have a family.
It was a little bit different,right.
(06:57):
What I would say is I think Iwent from a life that had very
little fulfillment and it hadmomentary bouts of happiness, to
a life that it was essentiallyfilled with fulfillment and
still had momentary bouts ofhappiness.
So I did something that Ireally, really, really loved.
(07:19):
It felt deeply meaningful, itfelt like it was more than about
me and it required growth andcontribution, which made me
really feel like I was growingas a human.
That was, I think, one of thebiggest things I did was I made
my life about more than myself,and that was the first time I'd
(07:39):
ever done that.
It was always about me.
It was always about how muchmoney could I make, it was
always about how good can I look, and I still care about those
things I do, but I care aboutgrowing to the point where all
of those things are going tohappen.
So it now is way more aboutgrowth than it used to be.
So I think there's something tothat for me, where I stopped
(08:00):
focusing on what I could get andI started focusing on how much
I could grow, and I feel likethat was one of the unlocks for
me.
That was a big one.
And then I think the other onewas I was somebody who just
never really believed in myself.
I didn't really think I wascapable of much.
So when I startedself-improvement and I started
(08:20):
saying, okay, today I'm going tostate that I'm going to do one
thing that scares me Cool.
All right, what am I going todo?
Whatever it is, I'm going to goto the mall and have
conversations with strangersCool.
Then I proved to myself that Iwas actually capable of doing
that.
And then I self-assigned yousaid you were going to do it.
You did it.
Now we have proof that you canactually believe in yourself a
(08:42):
little bit more.
That might be like the mostpowerful thing I ever did.
And then I just tried to dothat for the last eight years
and I think now I'm moreconfident than I've ever been,
but that's because I have moreproof than I ever did.
So I would say those, those tworeally, really optimizing more
for fulfillment and then justproving to myself through
(09:03):
state-proof, self-assigned, thatI actually am worthy of success
and I actually should believein myself more than I do.
I think those are probably thebig two.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I love that, and you touched on something that's
really big and really importantfor me.
Another chapter like you're onfire today.
You have not read my book.
I know that Because it's comingout soon.
But happiness, happiness, one ofthe things you know, I was
chasing happiness and youmentioned something similar
(09:33):
along that vein.
But happiness is a chemicalreaction that happens in our
brain, and so when you realizethat it's literally physically
impossible for you to just behappy all the time, because then
it becomes your, your normal,and then you're not happy, and
so I think it's more importantto focus on living in joy, right
(09:54):
, because joy is kind ofsomething that permeates
everything.
It's more of a state of mindversus an emotion, the way I'm
talking about it, like hope,where it's, it's a state of mind
.
It's not necessarily like theemotion that we feel, like
hunger, Right?
Um, the other thing you touchedon that's super important is the
trust deposits, doing tinythings to show yourself hey, I
(10:18):
can do this, I can, you know Ican.
I can make a phone call, I cango to the mall and talk to
someone.
Like I can record a podcastepisode.
I can post one.
The mall and talk to someone.
I can record a podcast episode,I can post one thing on social
media, so I think those arereally really important topics.
Thank you, and it's on thetrajectory of success.
These are things that we haveto face.
(10:39):
We have to be really honestwith ourselves, like you were,
and we have to choose our hard.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So I just said a lot of stuff, so just tell me what
came up for you because I think,unfortunately, a lot of us are
kind of sold a lie where lifepeople say life should be easy
(11:06):
and you should be able to get todo what you want all the time
and it shouldn't be hard and youshouldn't have any resistance
and you shouldn't have anytragedy, and I think that sets
you up for a lot of resistancelater, a lot, a lot, a lot of
resistance.
So I think, choose your heart,choose your struggle.
I think that is really a lot ofresistance.
So I think, choose your heart,choose your struggle.
I think that is really a goodthing to think about.
I would rather have theprivilege of saying I'm going to
go do a really hard workouttoday.
(11:27):
So when I'm 75, getting out ofmy recliner isn't hard.
Now will it still be hard?
I don't know.
I'm not 75.
I've got a ways to go.
(11:56):
No-transcript.
Imagine my life is the mostchallenging it's ever been,
through choice and throughprivileged pressure.
But I mean it's stressful andsome days it sucks and I don't
know how I'm going to getthrough the day and I get to the
end of the evening I'm layingin bed saying I don't know if I
(12:16):
can do that again tomorrow, butI'm so fulfilled.
So I agree, I think happinessis it's you get momentary bouts
of happiness, but you got to bevery, very cautious about how
you get it, because, yeah, youcan go watch porn and be happy,
but that's not really what youwant.
You want what's under that.
(12:38):
More than probably you want thehappiness.
You can watch nine hours ofNetflix on a Sunday and, yeah,
you might get happiness whenyou're doing that, but you're
not necessarily going to getfulfillment right.
So I think there's something tobe said about that.
I think it's it's very importantto understand joy, happiness,
pleasure, fulfillment what dothey mean to you?
What do they actually providefor you?
Fulfillment what do they meanto you?
(13:01):
What do they actually providefor you?
What do you regret that you do?
That makes you happy in themoment.
What do you find gratitude in?
That you find fulfillment in,but it takes a while to feel the
fulfillment.
I think there's a lot ofself-exploration in all of that
and I think it's always worthdoing.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Gratitude huge, that's one of like.
Like the whole first third ofmy book is all about me
discovering the power ofgratitude.
Right, it's so important.
So talk to me about howgratitude played a role in your
journey from you know, the sideof that bed to where you are now
.
Because, like, like you know,we work.
I work with so manyentrepreneurs and to hear you
(13:39):
say that you have, you know,almost 2,000 episodes like
that's, that's insane.
So talk to me a little bitabout how gratitude played a
part in that for you.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
If it did it.
Yeah, it definitely did.
It was I.
I think it probably wasn't theway that maybe a lot of people
might think.
There was a time where I wasjournaling every day, and every
day I'd sit down and write outthree things I was grateful for.
I still do.
I still journal pretty muchevery day.
But for me, what I like to do isI like to have grateful
(14:08):
ambition.
So I like to have the jugglingact of I'm grateful for what I
have, what I've created andwhat's in my life now, but I'm
also very ambitious to createthe things that I want.
I don't want to fall intocontentment.
I don't want to be contentbecause if I'm content I'm going
to stop growing.
I want to be grateful andambitious at the same time.
(14:29):
So I think it comes to thepoint of grounding myself in
what I already have and makingsure I don't forget about that,
and then really looking to thefuture to see what we want to
create in the future.
So yeah, for me it's kind ofthe juggling act of, of both of
those and trying not to go toofar into either.
(14:49):
I don't just want to begrateful, right, I want to be.
Let me show my gratitudethrough my action.
But I also can't just beambitious and say I haven't
accomplished anything and all ofthis is useless and it doesn't
mean anything until I get toblank part there.
There's something to be saidabout that and, just as a story
(15:10):
because I think this if I heardthis at the beginning, I think
this would have helped me a tonthere was a day it was last year
somewhere, I think it was likea random Wednesday or Thursday
where we crossed a milliondollars in the business and a
million listens on the same day.
Wow, cool.
It was interesting, like what acoincidence, and I didn't feel
(15:32):
nearly most of the feelings thatI thought I would have felt,
and there's something to be saidabout that.
I think the reason is I wasambitious to get to that but so
much had changed in inside of mealong the way.
It's not like I went from oneto a million.
I went from 990 somethingthousand to a million, so I had
(15:53):
already been grateful for itlong before it happened and I
was so ambitious to get therethat when I got there it was
kind of like okay, now what?
I think that's a really goodexample for all of us.
There are so many things inyour life that maybe you haven't
been giving the gratitude thatit deserves.
But also don't be afraid to saythat there are still some
(16:15):
things that I really want toaccomplish and there's some some
stones that I haven't turnedover yet.
But just make sure that you'renot expecting the ambition to
make you feel a certain way.
I think it's just that.
Just make sure that you're notexpecting the ambition to make
you feel a certain way.
I think it's just that.
Just make sure you understandwhat gratitude is really doing
for you and what your ambitionis really doing for you, because
if not, we can fall into likean if-then.
(16:38):
If I get this, then I'll begrateful.
Yeah, it doesn't really workthat way.
If I get this, then I'll beambitious.
Yeah, it doesn't really workthat way.
If I get this, then I'll beambitious.
Yeah, it doesn't really workthat way.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Just understanding that has been super helpful for
me.
I love that, um, the other sideof that.
So, um, when I was about 21, Iwent to the doctor and he was
like yo, you have the back of adisabled elderly woman and if
you don't change something,you're gonna be able to
wheelchair in less than fiveyears.
That was more than 10 years ago, right.
And so now I'm walking like35,000 steps when I go to
(17:10):
Halloween horror nights.
You, right and like I built upto that.
But I discovered gratitude waswhat helped me, like to, to, to.
To compliment what you weresaying.
I was grateful for pain, becausepain meant that I still had a
fighting chance.
Because if I couldn't feel mylegs anymore, well then now you
(17:32):
know, I have a friend that thathappened to and then that's it.
She couldn't walk anymore andshe had to go have surgery,
right.
And so I looked at the pain as,hey, I'm grateful for this pain
because I still have a chanceto fight.
That means that I still have achance to get stronger, to do
something about this, and so Ithink it's really, really
important to focus on.
You know what I talk to myclients what can I do from right
(17:54):
here?
I'm grateful that I haveinternet access through my phone
, so I might not be able to likeblog on my website because I
don't have a keyboard right, butyou can still do something from
your phone.
And using gratitude to createaction.
I'm grateful for where I am,because right now is the only
(18:14):
thing that exists, but I'm alsograteful to be working towards
this thing, and I love to teachusing gratitude for future
things.
I'm grateful for the milliondollars.
Right, that's quantum physics.
Like you believe, you have it,it's going to appear in front of
you.
There's going to be action thathas to happen.
But quantum physics says, hey,what you're focusing on, right,
(18:40):
I forgot the name of the law butwhat we focus on, that is our
perception and that's how we'regoing to see the world.
Right, and so looking foropportunities.
But, yes, taking action, takingimperfect action.
You can't just be grateful.
I'm grateful for a milliondollars and then sit down and
wait for it to fall out of thesky.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's not going to work either, I wish.
Well, that's that's why it'shard, because there isn't really
.
The answer is almost never onething.
Yes, it almost never is,because we are beings that are
moving and evolving, and it'susually somewhere in the middle
of two things, but the middle ispersonal and it's a sliding
(19:19):
scale.
So there are some people outthere that need way more
gratitude, for sure.
Yeah, there are other people outthere that probably need more
action.
Maybe you're, maybe you'relocked up with gratitude.
You're good, you do gratitudeevery day, cool, that's the the
next step.
But I think that's what selfdevelopment, self improvement,
whatever personal development,whatever you want to label it,
as it's figuring out what you'realready good at, cool.
(19:43):
We don't need to pour as muchinto that.
Where are our opportunities forgrowth?
Let's focus on those.
Let's feel the feelings of, ahman, I wish I was better, or I
didn't realize I had as muchopportunity for growth there, or
I'm embarrassed.
That's where I'm at, whateverit is.
But to your point, I think it'svery important to have the
(20:04):
admittance factor.
Admit the situation you're in,don't make it worse than it is.
But it might not be superbeneficial to pretend it's
better than it is, but that'swhere I think there's an
opportunity for gratitude, right?
Yes, I got a really baddiagnosis and that kind of sucks
(20:26):
, and I've also had people in mylife who got that same
diagnosis and haven't didn't getthe second chance that I got.
Yes, I'll preface all that withway easier said than done.
All of it is way easier saidthan done, but that is kind of
the container we live in.
For most people almosteverything is way easier said
than done, but it doesn't meanyou can't do the thing
(20:48):
eventually in small enoughdigestible bites.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, absolutely, and it goes back to choosing your
heart.
Right, when I was sitting thereand I had this option, like
exactly what you said, do I wantto choose the heart of getting
strong now and going through thepain of whatever it means to
actually strengthen my back andfix everything that, because
it's the cascading effect, right, when something you know, a big
(21:12):
domino, falls, everything elseis going to start hurting
because it's supporting thatright.
Or do I want to choose the hardof I'm just going to keep doing
what I'm doing until I can't doit anymore.
And now I don't have any otherchoices.
I'm just going to have to sithere and be miserable and look
at woe is me.
And I was like no, I'm going tochoose the hard of facing it
(21:32):
head on.
You know my house is like aphysical therapy office because
I've got all the things you know, like my inversion table, all
my.
You know the the oh my God, thename just went away the cords.
You know, like the tensioncords, right, yeah, the bands.
I have all the things right andit's because of that journey of
(21:54):
choosing my heart and lookingat it in the face and being
honest and be like, hey, if youdon't quit your job as a server
right now carrying those treeslike you're literally not going
to be able to walk, dude.
So like which one is it?
And that's what led to my book,that's what led to this podcast
.
So I love that.
I just I admire your journey.
I think it's amazing whatyou're doing.
(22:15):
You've got so many episodes.
That's like so impressive.
I appreciate it.
Okay, yes, of course.
Now talk to me about how we canstay in touch with you, cause,
like I mean, who wouldn't wantto?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I always suggest just listening to the podcast.
Again, we do an episode everyday, so it's probably the best
way to stay in touch.
If that isn't it, I literallyjust give my email out.
So my email is Kevin at nextlevel universecom.
If you have questions, comments, concerns whatever it is, I do
my own emails.
(22:49):
That's my personal email, sofeel free to message me.
You'd be surprised.
I always give it out.
You're not going to annoy me,you're not going to bug me.
I'm not going to getoverwhelmed with that, like I
promise.
If it resonates and you want toshoot me a message, just do it.
I challenge you.
Maybe that's the thing.
Maybe that's the thing that'soutside of your comfort zone.
You just heard a stranger on apodcast that you've never met
(23:10):
and you may never meet in person.
It's nervous to start newconversations.
Shoot me an email and we'll seehow it goes.
I'm sure it'll go better thanyou think.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I love it and you know, like in the four hour work
week that's one of the thingsthat Tim Ferriss talks about
like send the email, because somany people could send the email
and then they talk themselvesout of it.
And so sometimes those peopleon top, like these people,
they're they're excited to readyour email.
They're like, oh, it's just,you know, someone that's not
asking something of me, theydon't.
You know, they don't want money, they don't want this, they
(23:40):
don't want that.
They just want to say hi, um,and so shoot your shot.
I love it like message kevinshot yes, yes and um, you
mentioned something about a giftfor the audience, was it?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
yeah, so we have a free course.
I'll have to I gotta get nicolethe link because I don't know
there's been a lot of stuffgoing on the website and a
website redesign and all thisbut we have a free course.
I believe it's called the nextlevel five to thrive, where we
talk about the five things thatmake the biggest difference in
growth.
If that's not it, we haveanother one.
We get a lot of free stuff, soI'll make sure you get something
(24:13):
free and valuable.
That'll.
That'll be the uh, my, myhomework after we get off of
here.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That sounds awesome and that link will be available
down in the show notes and it'llbe just for you guys.
So make sure you check outKevin's podcast and get access
to your free gift.
All right, kevin.
So last, before we sign off,final tip like what's that big
tip, like the one that helpsyour clients get the best
(24:38):
results?
Like what do you tell?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
them, honestly, one of the things, and it sounds so
unsexy.
But if you're struggling tostart something new, one of the
reasons you're struggling tostart, it might be because it's
too big, so break it down intobite-sized things.
I think we're recording thistowards the end of February,
(25:05):
given up on their new year'sresolutions, and the reason is
we took a year's worth of goalsand results and we put them into
one statement and it's just.
It seems inedible, and for alot of us it is.
So don't be embarrassed tobreak stuff down into very, very
, very, very small,accomplishable goals.
I'm willing to bet you will getmuch further that way.
While we're at 2000 episodestoday, it started with one and
(25:26):
it started with doing one at atime and it was one a week for a
long time and eventually itwent to two and it went to three
.
We didn't start at seven, westarted at one, just like
everybody.
So I think that there'ssomething to be said about that.
It's not sexy, it's not goingto go viral, that type of
thought process, but I'm willingto bet it will help you in a
very, very meaningful way.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I love that Taking baby steps and being grateful
for that contribution right,because every day, if you do
that, one thing, one episodeevery day, you have 365 episodes
at the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's insane.
And all you did was one a day.
Big things start small.
All you did was one a day.
It adds up Big things startsmall.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I love that.
So take imperfect action, guys.
You heard it here first, so Ilove that.
Thank you, guys, so much forjoining us and we will see you
next time on the next episode ofOvercome Yourself, the podcast.
Thanks Bye.
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