November 11, 2025 • 29 mins
What if the difference between freezing on stage and flowing under pressure came down to a few trainable behaviors? We sat down with Dr. Albert Bramonte—a rare blend of New York theatrical talent agent and psychology PhD—to unpack the practical tools that turn anxiety into presence and presence into impact for hosts, speakers, and entrepreneurs.
Albert pulls back the curtain on improv as a business superpower: the “yes, and” mindset that keeps you agile when slides fail, questions curve, or timing shifts. We dig into story structure that actually serves an audience—using a simple feel–felt–found arc to be vulnerable without oversharing, to go deep and still guide listeners back to a clear takeaway. You’ll hear why karaoke (yep, sober) is a surprisingly effective exposure exercise, how “act as if” leverages physiology to shift your psychology, and the small rituals that broadcast calm and credibility the moment you take the mic.
We also talk reps, resilience, and real feedback. Aim for 100 episodes before you judge your voice. Treat “failure” as data and build a happy file—a physical record of compliments, reviews, and small wins—to counter self-doubt when it spikes. Albert shares techniques to maintain connection when tech breaks, to make eye contact that feels like a conversation, and to keep going without drawing attention to stumbles. The throughline is simple: confidence is a practice, not a personality trait, and performers and founders share the same stage.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Now, Albert, uh, let me I'm gonna butcher it.
So I'm gonna go ahead and letyou take it away for us, Albert.
Let us know who you are and howum who you help.
SPEAKER_01 (00:22):
Okay.
Well, first of all, thank you,Nicole, for having me on.
I'm really happy to be here, bea guest on this uh show.
My name is Dr.
Albert Bramonte.
I am a uh talent agent as wellas a psychology professor,
author.
I have a PhD in psychology.
So I've been working as acollege professor and also a
(00:44):
theatrical talent agent in NewYork.
I own uh Bramante Artists, whichis a full-service talent agency.
So what I do primarily in thisrole is I represent actors for
different projects, film, TV,theater, commercial print, and
voiceover, essentially acting asan employment agent.
So trying to find them work andopportunities.
(01:06):
And I'm also an you know anadjunct professor on the side.
So I teach usually three, threepsychology classes a semester,
uh, lifespan, usually childpsych or word psychology
personality.
So that's what I do.
Um, you know, I wrote a booklast year called Rise Above the
Script, Confronting Self-Doubt,Mastering Self-Sabotage for
Performing Artists, uh, whichhas been, you know, a lifetime
(01:30):
pretty much of experience goinginto that book.
SPEAKER_00 (01:36):
That is amazing.
I love the crossroads ofpsychology and acting.
And you also mentioned right,um, helping business owners with
acting.
So that's one of the things thatI've done is I ended up working
with an acting coach, and thathas helped me with this podcast,
(01:56):
right?
And being able to speakeloquently and also working on
my story, working on speaking onstages.
So, can you tell me a little bithow the psychology and the
acting that we need as businessowners who are putting ourselves
out there?
SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Yeah, I mean, you definitely mentioned it quite
well.
I mean, just whether it'shosting, being a guest on a
podcast, doing uh speaking onstages.
One thing that you kind of Ithink a skill that we all can
use benefit from isimprovisation.
You know, what happens when yougo on that stage and you're
about to hit record and you haveall these notes in front of you,
(02:36):
and something goes wrong.
And now you have to speak offthe cuff.
And so I think what can happenthere sometimes is we we get so
wrapped up in routine, routine,routine that we're not free
enough to just speak off thecuff and improv or have that
(02:58):
confidence enough to speak offthe cuff.
We're experts already.
I mean, we we've made thestages, we've made you know the
life experiences.
So I think the point is thattrusting yourself and not
relying on things like I don'twhen I make when I give
presentation myself, I don'thave that many notes in front of
(03:18):
me because I speak off the cuff.
And even when I do have notes infront of me, I don't reference
them a lot.
Uh, because you know, my role isconnecting to the audience.
So I think what acting can do,you know, training or even
improv training is help you, youknow, be freer, but also connect
to the audience or connect towhoever it is you're speaking
(03:38):
with, you know, whether it's asmall group or a large group.
So that I think can certainly umhelp with the confidence a bit.
Um so and I do recommend improvclasses for you know owner
business owners, speakers, uh,also just doing anything to step
outside your comfort zone, likeexercise like that.
(04:01):
Um if you really want to throwsomebody you know on the deep
end, have them go to a karaokebar, you know, like I often say
sometimes too karaoke, sober.
And you know, you really want tothat helps tremendously.
I mean, I don't know how itfeels I can't say it's benefits
for the for the audience, but itstill is you know, it it helps,
(04:24):
you know, you be freer whenyou're able to do that.
And and that's the biggest pointof that.
And you can play, even thoughyou're still being serious with
being a host or a speaker, it'sstill having that mindset of I'm
playing now.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
That's acting, right?
We're playing.
SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
Yeah, we're all playing a role, you know, right
now.
So we're we're always acting inlife.
It's just being freer in thatand not being so much wrapped up
into what am I gonna say next,and uh, and and worried about
what's gonna come next.
And then we freeze and then wewind up having issues that come
in.
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Uh I think that's such a great tip of getting on a
karaoke stage because I think weall have a fear of that stage.
And being able to to do that ina low-stakes situation where
there probably is a bunch ofdrunk people who are not gonna
remember you anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
Um, and you can just let loose and nothing, you're
not, you know, the world doesn'tend.
You're like, okay, I can dothis.
Um, yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
Yeah, well, and and everyone's kind of I mean, it's
karaoke, so it's not, you know,there's no no one's expecting
you to be, you know, great.
Um, that's the whole purpose ofit.
It's to sing something fun thateverybody can can sing along
with.
And we all sound totally offkey, but it's that's the fun of
it.
And it's just it's freer.
(05:52):
You know, I I um, you know, uhone of the things I always stuck
about was stepping outside yourcomfort zone.
And you know, when maybe likefive, you know, six years ago,
before the pandemic happened, Iwas happening to be around New
York City.
I had a couple a long space inmy day, and I I said, you know,
what am I gonna do?
You know, what am I gonna do?
(06:13):
And I saw that there was ameetup, a karaoke meetup.
But I I when I initially wentinto the meetup, I thought I was
gonna be sitting and watching.
Oh no.
Um, it was a small group, andthis is my first time.
I've done karaoke before in openspaces.
This is my four first time doingit in a short, in a small,
(06:34):
closed-off room.
So when you normally do karaoke,a lot of times you can't really
hear yourself singing.
So I remember everyone said,okay, put your songs in, and I
was gonna hold back.
They're like, okay, like andthen you say, Albert, let's you
know, let me know what you'regonna sing right now.
And mind you, I had nothing todrink, you know, no liquid
encouragement.
(06:55):
So at this time, I was like,Well, I'm here.
So I started singing, and whatwas even more terrifying in the
moment was the fact that becauseit was such a closed-off room, I
actually heard myself loud andstereo.
I was sounded.
I'm like, but you know, when Iwas done, I felt so good about
the performance.
You know, not about theperformance, but just the fact
(07:17):
that I did that.
You know, the fact that I wasable to be brave enough to put
myself out in a room withstrangers, I didn't even know.
Um, and I think that's a a skillset that is important for
speakers and hosts is to havethat comfort or at least that
ease of saying, okay, I can getup there and think.
(07:40):
And also, I I want to alsomention one thing that nerves or
anxiety is normal.
I've even heard like TonyRobbins say sometimes that he
gets a little bit of the jittersbefore going up to speak.
So that you know, to get rid ofthat is I think a myth.
How to use it now, though, foryour advantage is the key.
(08:02):
And you know, it can beadrenaline.
It's like an adrenaline rush.
And that can actually sometimesfuel that.
Like sometimes, you know, I'veI've in my past when I go to
presentation at the conferencesuh or you know, in in in classes
or on stages, I would sometimes,you know, some of the times
where I was the most nervous ortense was the best, you know,
(08:23):
jobs I've done because I wasable to use that diadrenaline
kicked in and I was now in fullforce.
Um so yeah, that's that's sortof the thing I would kind of
like in a nutshell, what I wouldsay for business owners or or
oaths or whatever, you know,that you're doing
professionally, that just to befree in that, you know, even if
(08:47):
you're taking, you know, I'm notsaying anyone needs to become a
professional actor.
That may be the furthest thingyou want to do, but just being
free to speak up on stage is isthe key thing there, and not
being and not appear like arobot.
I've seen a lot, so we've beenseen a lot of speeches where I'm
like, you know, they look likeyou know, deer in the headlights
(09:07):
look, and it's like you know,they're robotic like, and it
doesn't come across very well.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
Yeah, um, you know, that's what helps you stand out
and be memorable, right?
Because people remember that youwere confident, even if you sang
kind of bad, it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
No, it's that and and we're we're drawn to bold,
confident people.
And and that's also, you know,there's there's also the the
thing about the state, thepopular statement, fake it till
you make it, which is partiallytrue and partially not true.
When I say partially true, Ithink a lot of times just
project the confidence, even ifyou're not feeling it, project
(09:47):
it and it will follow becauseyou know, my background like it
with NLP neurolinguisticprogramming is that if we
sometimes show the action first,the the be you know, the
internal state will follow.
Like, for example, if if yousmile, you know, even if you're
not feeling very, but if yousmile for a while genuinely,
your internal state will change.
(10:09):
So that's where sometimes it'sbest if you want to show
emotions, project the outwardlybehavior first, and then it'll
follow so project confidence andit will follow.
So that's that's something Ioften say to you know, ways to
overcome.
Do things and just practice, dothem.
(10:30):
Like even, you know, like forpodcasts, for people who want to
be podcasters, I just tell them,look, shoot up, get put yourself
on Zoom, even if you do soloepisodes in the beginning, and
and you may not even releasethem in the beginning.
And and just say, hey, just getpractice talking to yourself on
Zoom for uh you know uh 20minutes, half an hour on a
(10:51):
topic, you know, even chat withsome friends first in the
beginning.
Say, hey, you know, let me getthis the hang of interviewing
you.
Because the more you do it, anytask, the the more comfortable
you're gonna be, then morecomfortable you are, the more
effective you're gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (11:11):
Um just to to mirror what you were saying, one of the
tips that I got when I startedmy podcast journey, you know,
over four years ago at thispoint was get to a hundred, get
to the first hundred episodesbecause you don't you haven't
even found your voice untilyou've recorded a hundred
(11:33):
episodes.
SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
Exactly.
And I would say I would even uhqualify it and say at least a
hundred.
At least a hundred.
And you know, if you think aboutit, unfortunately, a lot of
podcasters don't reach that.
You know, they'll they'll shoot,you know, maybe 10 episodes.
Oh, this is not working.
No, sometimes you need 500 to1000, you know, episodes before
you get that large following.
(11:56):
Um, and the important thing isis like you're still doing it
for the sake of enjoying it.
So that's another thing, too, isyou know, do it for the
enjoyment, whatever it is you'resetting out to be, whether
you're a speaker or a host, ifyou do that for the sake of
enjoyment, who the outcome,well, you know, that's icing on
(12:17):
the cake.
If it comes great, if not, youhad fun, and you and your guests
had fun if you bring on a guest.
And that's that's the only wayto do that, I I feel, is to just
practice, you know, and andwhether it's on state, you know,
even in front of a mirror.
I know it sounds cool, you know,but just practice speaking and
(12:38):
take every opportunity you canget, and just because that's the
only way you're gonna get morecomfortable out of it.
It's one of those things like ifyou want to you want to get over
your fear of public speaking, wegotta rip the band-aid off.
And you just gotta do it.
Um, because that's the only wayyou're gonna overcome anything
is by sometimes doing it.
You know, even in my work as ayou know, with psychology, if
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you have a fear of phobia, theonly way you're gonna really
overcome that fear is by facingit head on, which it's not gonna
be easy.
I'm not gonna sit here and sayit's the easiest thing you'll
do, but that's the way youovercome it.
You gotta sometimes stare, youknow, head on.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
Absolutely.
Um I've had so many thoughtsjust with everything you've
said.
One of the ones that you youmentioned a few minutes ago, you
were talking about people aredrawn to a bold story, and it
made me think of bravery, theway that Dr.
Brene Brown defines it, asvulnerability.
(13:38):
And when we get up on thatstage, that's vulnerability.
And so that is something to beadmired, that is something to be
respected, and that is somethingthat you have to do it to learn
to ask the right questions,right?
Because the first time I got onstage, I had prepared my
presentation and I knew what Iwas gonna say, and then they
(14:01):
threw a pointer and a mic in myhand, and I was like, I did not
plan for this.
SPEAKER_01 (14:07):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
I didn't think about it, and my knuckles were white
because I was holding themicrophone so tight, and I was
like, relax, like it's not gonnago anywhere, right?
And you, you know, those littlethings, and I didn't even know
that was a question I had to asktill I was there.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
Yeah, and and that yeah, I agree wholeheartedly
with Brennan, you know, that umbecause you know, a lot of
people encourage the absence offear, it's not, it's you know,
and learning to you know be workthrough it.
Um and again, bravery could justbe being vulnerable, and that's
where people connect with.
(14:43):
You know, people connect with aspeaker for you know, on a
one-on-one basis, even thoughthey may be speaking to
thousands of people, uh theaudience member is going to
connect to a speaker that canresonate with them.
So um that's the one thing Iwould say.
Sometimes, even uh what I advisespeakers to do is sometimes look
(15:03):
at particular people in theaudience while you're speaking
and pretend like you're justhaving that chat with that.
That's your friend in theaudience.
And you just look at differentpeople and you look around and
you make eye contact.
Because so many times I'll seethese speakers they're looking
up at the ceiling, they'relooking up at their mic or their
faces buried in their notes, andit's not going to come across as
authentic, and you're not gonnareally be reaching the audience.
(15:27):
So speak to somebody in in thataudience, look at somebody and
make eye contact and pretendlike you're speaking to them.
And yeah, be vulnerable, be youknow, because people love
authenticity, people lovevulnerability, and that's what
will really make because even ifyou listen to Tony Robbins, I
mean he gets extremelyvulnerable on stage.
(15:48):
Um, or any, you know, ReneeBrown, uh, Mel Robbins, all
these people that are like inthe self-help uh world and that
have these, you know,outstanding podcasts and these
large followings, they'regetting vulnerable every
episode.
unknown (16:02):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
And you know, really going into and telling some
deep, you know, deep stuff abouttheir own lives.
And I think that's what makesthem so successful is they're
not doing a canned script,they're not doing that.
Um even when I was in college,when I was in public speaking
class, our professor would, youknow, if we noticed it that we
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were relying on our note cards,he would come right up to us and
take our note cards and put themon the desk.
I've got to keep keep goingbecause you know, and and that
is terrifying, but the processis that you know, I really see
the value on that lessontremendously now.
Like let you know, you shouldnot be reliable on your uh note
cards.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
And I think that's a great point.
Um, to tie back into well, whatdoes that have to do with acting
if I'm just speaking off thecuff, right?
And that is where I've learnedto structure my stories with a
purpose.
If I'm gonna take you down intothe depths of my despair because
I was there, I need a plan forgetting you back out.
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I need to know where this storyis going because I don't want to
go on a tangent and you know belike, oh my God, and then this
happened, it was horrible.
And now you're crying in apuddle and everybody feels bad.
That's not the point, right?
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
No, so not at all.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
Having that practice with an acting coach who can
help you pinpoint thosevulnerable moments that they're
ready to share, right?
Because you have to have donethe work internally.
Yeah, and also structure gettingout so that it serves a purpose
to your story, to your business,to what you're doing.
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
Of course.
And it's always like that feel,felt, sound phenomenon.
Okay, so this is how I feel,this is what I felt, and this is
what I found.
And if you keep that formula inthere, it'll keep you track.
So you're not, you can just takethem down and then come back up
and say, okay, I'm gonna pivot.
And here's how what I'velearned, and here's how how I
overcome.
Because a lot of times when youdo tell these stories, uh,
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you're connecting.
And that's the bet, you know,the best speakers, if you think
about it, tell stories.
They're not just talking aboutfacts.
I mean, they may they may mixstuff in there, but they're
gonna okay, go back to a storyand then have an outcome.
And and because there's a goodchance that somebody else is
going through that story rightnow speaking.
(18:30):
Um, but yeah, having having thatfocus, I I mean, it it's just
just being again that freeingmoment, I think, is so valuable,
you know, and that flexibilitythat anything can happen.
You can get an audience membercan make a comment or a question
that can totally change thetrajectory of your presentation.
And I think you have to be readyfor that.
Um, again, equipment canmalfunction.
(18:54):
Um, you know, this is why Idon't, I'm not, you know, I I I
like PowerPoint to a degree, butI don't rely on it because I
could get up on stage if I ifI'm totally relying on
PowerPoint.
What if there's a power failure?
What if my cable or computercan't connect to the PowerPoint
slides?
Am I gonna fall like a bottleand collapse?
No, I have to the show must goon.
(19:16):
That's another acting thing.
The show must go on.
Uh, even when you mess up as aspeaker, a lot of times just
continue, just continue.
That's the whole thing withacting.
Like when people are performingin plays, you you swell the
line.
Go, don't swell on it.
And most of the time, theaudience doesn't even pick up on
that, right?
You know, unless you really drawattention to it.
(19:38):
But other than that, just gowith it.
You know, you say the wrongthing.
Okay, well, just correctyourself and move on.
Um, you're human, your audiencewill either forget or they'll
forgive.
You know, even if they do catchon, they'll they'll they'll
forgive you.
Plus, we also when we'reself-conscious, we actually are
very harsh on ourselves.
(19:59):
Because there are times evenwhen I thought, like, oh, this
is this is poorly done.
Uh, you know, people are not,and then you know, people are
coming out.
That was great.
I'm like, okay.
So and if you do what anotherthing I do with even you know,
dealing with with failure or orfeedback, constructive
criticism, um, look at it asfeedback.
(20:21):
So one of the things that Ialways tell anybody I work with,
there's no such thing asfailure, only feedback.
So even if someone comes up toyou after you hosted an episode
or you've been on the stage andsomeone says, Well, I feel like
you would have done this better,or this better, or that better.
Well, okay, you know, now maybethat's their opinion, yes.
(20:42):
But if there's something inthere that you could that you
can gain, like, well, you know,I didn't think of that.
Okay, I'll make sure of that.
Uh, use more eye contact, youknow, look more around the room,
um, talk more about that.
You should say, I wish youtalked more about okay, great.
Now I know for next time.
Not to dwell on and say, oh no,I did a horrible job.
You know, last year I presentedat a hypnosis conference.
(21:04):
I did a topic on hypnosis andanxiety for you know, for an
hour, it was a 45-minute talk.
And there were 21 people in theroom, and they all submitted
evaluations.
19 of them were five out offive, which is amazing.
Uh, one of them was like a threeout of five, you know, it was
unclear.
One of them was really one outof five, like totally like this
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was a messed up disorganizedpresentation, a waste of my
time.
Now, the old Albert would havebeen crumbling like a puddle.
If I because and I and itwouldn't have mattered that I
just had 19 people telling me itwas great.
I would have been focusing anddwelling on that one person.
(21:49):
And now what I was reallyimpressed was was I let that
roll off.
I'm like, well, that was I'msorry, I wasn't I'm not ever
gonna be everyone's cup of tea.
I get that.
That happens.
Oh well, move on.
You know, I I I impacted 19.
Now, now if if if all 19 weresaying that this was then I
would have to sit there and notstill not dwell on it, but say,
(22:10):
okay, well, next time I do thistalk, I need to change a couple
of things around.
And so I use that as feedback.
You know, I don't even like theword like um the I I often
reframe the word likeconstructive criticism.
Can you give me, you know, can Igive you some feedback?
Because I think when you hear,you know, what do you do?
You know, think about somebodywho says to you, hey, I got some
(22:32):
constructive criticism to giveyou.
Automatically, like, okay, I'mgonna I'm gonna shut down.
But it's like, hey, I have somefeedback.
So what is some feedback fromfrom this?
And I often say when you'regiving feedback, I often one of
the techniques I love to use isis a compliment sandwich.
You've ever heard of that.
You say something good, and thensomething can be approved, and
(22:52):
you end off with a with acompliment.
But feedback is much more lessis less disarming, and it helps
you overcome because that's thegoal.
You know, we want to help otherpeople overcome things.
Well, sometimes we have to givethem informed feedback, which
may not always be complimentary,but also respectful enough so
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that you know we can grow fromthat.
So, you know, being being opento feedback is also part of the
coaching process, too.
And to know that we're notperfect, you know.
Again, you know, as you said,you know, I would I would
challenge you know every youknow podcast host, okay, listen
to episode one and then listento episode 100.
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And then even episode 200 keepgoing, you know, and then you'll
see, oh, I'm getting better.
I'm getting better.
And that's and and you know, alot of times your audience is
tuning in, they're not tuning inbecause they're working for
both, they're looking to beinspired, so they're not gonna
be even noticing the the theflop, the flubs or the here and
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there all the time.
So just practice, you know,that's the whole thing too.
With even with acting, you know,it's just practice every day.
But that's with any skill, youknow, whether it's acting,
speaking, playing sports,playing music, it's just daily
practice.
SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
Yeah.
Um, to your point, if they don'tknow that it's supposed to be
there, I used to be a server andwe used to have to go to the
whole spiel.
This is this menu, this is thismenu.
But let me tell you, every timeI went through the little spiel,
I always made more in tipsbecause I sold more stuff,
right?
But we would have to go througha certain process, and the the
(24:35):
managers would remind us, youknow, when we were opening up
the restaurant, they were like,they don't know the order.
So if you mess it up, you keepgoing, they're not gonna be
like, oh, you did it wrong,because they don't know.
And if they do know, like if theaudience knows, right, you
messed up a line and theaudience is like adoring the
play, they know every line andthey see that you messed it up,
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but you didn't let that rattleyou, they're gonna be impressed.
They're gonna be like, Oh, shefumbled a little bit, but that
didn't even stop her at all.
Like she just kept going.
So, either way, you win.
SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Of course, and that's the way it's just just go
with it.
I mean, and that's where I feellike some of the acting training
will will be good for you, theimprov writing will do because
it'll just tell you to just likeuse a technique of yes and okay,
made the mistake, and let's keepgoing.
Um, so that you know, afterwardsit can uh be a lot easier.
And yeah, I mean, I and most ofthe people that are in a
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restaurant are gonna are whenthey're listening to to the
specials, they're gonna befinding out what they want, not
whether you said this before ornot.
They uh and they already havetheir mind up a lot of times
when they sit into that chairwhat they already want.
So they're just hearing you, butit's connection, it's showing
them when you do that, I respectyou.
And those are the weight staffthat get the most tips are the
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ones that show the most genuineinterest and care for the for
the customer or the patrons.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
The ones that paint the best story, because it was
all about creating that thatexperience, right?
Of elevating it.
You're not just here to eat arandom Tuesday, like it's
Margarita Tuesday, let's make ita party, right?
And you create an experience,you're acting, you're letting
them know these are the amazingthings.
(26:18):
Um, yeah, and that's acting too,right?
You have a script andeverything.
Um tell me how can the audiencestay in touch with you?
SPEAKER_01 (26:29):
Okay, well, you can uh follow me on Instagram at
dr.albermonti.
Um, I'm also on LinkedIn andFacebook, you know, under Albert
Bramonte.
Um, feel free to reach out, DMme, you know, if anything you
want to talk about.
Um, you can also go to mywebsite at albertbermonti.com,
uh, which has um, you know,recordings and things, you know,
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confidence builders um for anyand all issues.
Feel free to, you know, take alook at that.
Um, and also my book.
I just want to give a plug to mybook.
Uh, it's called Rise Up of theScript, Confronting Self-Doubt
and Mastering Self-Sabotage forPerforming Artists.
It's available on Amazon.
I have it both as a paperback, aKindle, and also audiobook.
(27:15):
So feel free to you know checkit out.
And I'd love to have anyconversations with you moving
forward.
And and I want to thank youagain for having me on here.
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
And remember, if you're a speaker, if you're a
podcast host, if you're apodcast guest, if you're doing
PR, you're a performing artistin your own way.
And this book is gonna be superhelpful.
I can already tell just becauseyou're such an expert.
Like, and I love, like I said,that you mix it's not just the
acting side of it, you have thatpsychology background.
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And so I just think that thosetwo things, that's just such a
winning combination.
So that is amazing.
Great resource.
SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
Well, thank you.
Thank you, Nicole.
Thank you again for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
Yes, of course.
And final tip can you leave usoff with what's like the biggest
tip that you share with youraudience that leaves them with
the biggest aha moment?
SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
Sure.
Um, remember what it is thatyou're doing, um, and celebrate
all your wins, small or large.
Well, there's a really thing asa small win.
A win is a win.
So I in my book I talk about thehappy file.
So one of the things about thehappy file is you get out a
physical journal.
I, you know, I'm I'm old schoolhere, and write down anytime if
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you're a speaker or host, or youget a compliment uh from an
audience member, or you know, orsome someone who is an attendee,
uh, you get a good review ifyou're an actor, or a compliment
from an audience member, anytype of compliment you get,
document that.
So when moments of self-doubtcome in, which is a human
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condition.
It's normal to have self-doubt.
I have self-doubt.
We all have self-doubt at times.
Pull out your happy file whenthose self-moments of self-doubt
comes in, and then it'llremember why you're connected,
why you're doing what you'redoing.
And then it'll help you stillcan you know maintain connection
to your why.
So that's what I would have tosay.
SPEAKER_00 (29:09):
I love that.
We didn't even talk aboutgratitude, but gratitude is like
the foundation of everything Ido.
So I love that you brought itup.
And I love that you call it thehappy file.
It could be happy file, it couldbe a happy jar, it could be a
happy whatever, right?
But I love that.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
Yes, whatever you want to call it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
Thank you so much.
This has been amazing.
All right, and we will catch youguys next time on the next
episode of Overcome Yourself aPodcast.
Bye.
Now, Albert, uh, let me I'm gonna butcher it.
So I'm gonna go ahead and letyou take it away for us, Albert.
Let us know who you are and howum who you help.
SPEAKER_01 (00:22):
Okay.
Well, first of all, thank you,Nicole, for having me on.
I'm really happy to be here, bea guest on this uh show.
My name is Dr.
Albert Bramonte.
I am a uh talent agent as wellas a psychology professor,
author.
I have a PhD in psychology.
So I've been working as acollege professor and also a
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theatrical talent agent in NewYork.
I own uh Bramante Artists, whichis a full-service talent agency.
So what I do primarily in thisrole is I represent actors for
different projects, film, TV,theater, commercial print, and
voiceover, essentially acting asan employment agent.
So trying to find them work andopportunities.
(01:06):
And I'm also an you know anadjunct professor on the side.
So I teach usually three, threepsychology classes a semester,
uh, lifespan, usually childpsych or word psychology
personality.
So that's what I do.
Um, you know, I wrote a booklast year called Rise Above the
Script, Confronting Self-Doubt,Mastering Self-Sabotage for
Performing Artists, uh, whichhas been, you know, a lifetime
(01:30):
pretty much of experience goinginto that book.
SPEAKER_00 (01:36):
That is amazing.
I love the crossroads ofpsychology and acting.
And you also mentioned right,um, helping business owners with
acting.
So that's one of the things thatI've done is I ended up working
with an acting coach, and thathas helped me with this podcast,
(01:56):
right?
And being able to speakeloquently and also working on
my story, working on speaking onstages.
So, can you tell me a little bithow the psychology and the
acting that we need as businessowners who are putting ourselves
out there?
SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Yeah, I mean, you definitely mentioned it quite
well.
I mean, just whether it'shosting, being a guest on a
podcast, doing uh speaking onstages.
One thing that you kind of Ithink a skill that we all can
use benefit from isimprovisation.
You know, what happens when yougo on that stage and you're
about to hit record and you haveall these notes in front of you,
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and something goes wrong.
And now you have to speak offthe cuff.
And so I think what can happenthere sometimes is we we get so
wrapped up in routine, routine,routine that we're not free
enough to just speak off thecuff and improv or have that
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confidence enough to speak offthe cuff.
We're experts already.
I mean, we we've made thestages, we've made you know the
life experiences.
So I think the point is thattrusting yourself and not
relying on things like I don'twhen I make when I give
presentation myself, I don'thave that many notes in front of
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me because I speak off the cuff.
And even when I do have notes infront of me, I don't reference
them a lot.
Uh, because you know, my role isconnecting to the audience.
So I think what acting can do,you know, training or even
improv training is help you, youknow, be freer, but also connect
to the audience or connect towhoever it is you're speaking
(03:38):
with, you know, whether it's asmall group or a large group.
So that I think can certainly umhelp with the confidence a bit.
Um so and I do recommend improvclasses for you know owner
business owners, speakers, uh,also just doing anything to step
outside your comfort zone, likeexercise like that.
(04:01):
Um if you really want to throwsomebody you know on the deep
end, have them go to a karaokebar, you know, like I often say
sometimes too karaoke, sober.
And you know, you really want tothat helps tremendously.
I mean, I don't know how itfeels I can't say it's benefits
for the for the audience, but itstill is you know, it it helps,
(04:24):
you know, you be freer whenyou're able to do that.
And and that's the biggest pointof that.
And you can play, even thoughyou're still being serious with
being a host or a speaker, it'sstill having that mindset of I'm
playing now.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
That's acting, right?
We're playing.
SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
Yeah, we're all playing a role, you know, right
now.
So we're we're always acting inlife.
It's just being freer in thatand not being so much wrapped up
into what am I gonna say next,and uh, and and worried about
what's gonna come next.
And then we freeze and then wewind up having issues that come
in.
SPEAKER_00 (05:03):
Uh I think that's such a great tip of getting on a
karaoke stage because I think weall have a fear of that stage.
And being able to to do that ina low-stakes situation where
there probably is a bunch ofdrunk people who are not gonna
remember you anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
Um, and you can just let loose and nothing, you're
not, you know, the world doesn'tend.
You're like, okay, I can dothis.
Um, yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
Yeah, well, and and everyone's kind of I mean, it's
karaoke, so it's not, you know,there's no no one's expecting
you to be, you know, great.
Um, that's the whole purpose ofit.
It's to sing something fun thateverybody can can sing along
with.
And we all sound totally offkey, but it's that's the fun of
it.
And it's just it's freer.
(05:52):
You know, I I um, you know, uhone of the things I always stuck
about was stepping outside yourcomfort zone.
And you know, when maybe likefive, you know, six years ago,
before the pandemic happened, Iwas happening to be around New
York City.
I had a couple a long space inmy day, and I I said, you know,
what am I gonna do?
You know, what am I gonna do?
(06:13):
And I saw that there was ameetup, a karaoke meetup.
But I I when I initially wentinto the meetup, I thought I was
gonna be sitting and watching.
Oh no.
Um, it was a small group, andthis is my first time.
I've done karaoke before in openspaces.
This is my four first time doingit in a short, in a small,
(06:34):
closed-off room.
So when you normally do karaoke,a lot of times you can't really
hear yourself singing.
So I remember everyone said,okay, put your songs in, and I
was gonna hold back.
They're like, okay, like andthen you say, Albert, let's you
know, let me know what you'regonna sing right now.
And mind you, I had nothing todrink, you know, no liquid
encouragement.
(06:55):
So at this time, I was like,Well, I'm here.
So I started singing, and whatwas even more terrifying in the
moment was the fact that becauseit was such a closed-off room, I
actually heard myself loud andstereo.
I was sounded.
I'm like, but you know, when Iwas done, I felt so good about
the performance.
You know, not about theperformance, but just the fact
(07:17):
that I did that.
You know, the fact that I wasable to be brave enough to put
myself out in a room withstrangers, I didn't even know.
Um, and I think that's a a skillset that is important for
speakers and hosts is to havethat comfort or at least that
ease of saying, okay, I can getup there and think.
(07:40):
And also, I I want to alsomention one thing that nerves or
anxiety is normal.
I've even heard like TonyRobbins say sometimes that he
gets a little bit of the jittersbefore going up to speak.
So that you know, to get rid ofthat is I think a myth.
How to use it now, though, foryour advantage is the key.
(08:02):
And you know, it can beadrenaline.
It's like an adrenaline rush.
And that can actually sometimesfuel that.
Like sometimes, you know, I'veI've in my past when I go to
presentation at the conferencesuh or you know, in in in classes
or on stages, I would sometimes,you know, some of the times
where I was the most nervous ortense was the best, you know,
(08:23):
jobs I've done because I wasable to use that diadrenaline
kicked in and I was now in fullforce.
Um so yeah, that's that's sortof the thing I would kind of
like in a nutshell, what I wouldsay for business owners or or
oaths or whatever, you know,that you're doing
professionally, that just to befree in that, you know, even if
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you're taking, you know, I'm notsaying anyone needs to become a
professional actor.
That may be the furthest thingyou want to do, but just being
free to speak up on stage is isthe key thing there, and not
being and not appear like arobot.
I've seen a lot, so we've beenseen a lot of speeches where I'm
like, you know, they look likeyou know, deer in the headlights
(09:07):
look, and it's like you know,they're robotic like, and it
doesn't come across very well.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
Yeah, um, you know, that's what helps you stand out
and be memorable, right?
Because people remember that youwere confident, even if you sang
kind of bad, it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
No, it's that and and we're we're drawn to bold,
confident people.
And and that's also, you know,there's there's also the the
thing about the state, thepopular statement, fake it till
you make it, which is partiallytrue and partially not true.
When I say partially true, Ithink a lot of times just
project the confidence, even ifyou're not feeling it, project
(09:47):
it and it will follow becauseyou know, my background like it
with NLP neurolinguisticprogramming is that if we
sometimes show the action first,the the be you know, the
internal state will follow.
Like, for example, if if yousmile, you know, even if you're
not feeling very, but if yousmile for a while genuinely,
your internal state will change.
(10:09):
So that's where sometimes it'sbest if you want to show
emotions, project the outwardlybehavior first, and then it'll
follow so project confidence andit will follow.
So that's that's something Ioften say to you know, ways to
overcome.
Do things and just practice, dothem.
(10:30):
Like even, you know, like forpodcasts, for people who want to
be podcasters, I just tell them,look, shoot up, get put yourself
on Zoom, even if you do soloepisodes in the beginning, and
and you may not even releasethem in the beginning.
And and just say, hey, just getpractice talking to yourself on
Zoom for uh you know uh 20minutes, half an hour on a
(10:51):
topic, you know, even chat withsome friends first in the
beginning.
Say, hey, you know, let me getthis the hang of interviewing
you.
Because the more you do it, anytask, the the more comfortable
you're gonna be, then morecomfortable you are, the more
effective you're gonna be.
SPEAKER_00 (11:11):
Um just to to mirror what you were saying, one of the
tips that I got when I startedmy podcast journey, you know,
over four years ago at thispoint was get to a hundred, get
to the first hundred episodesbecause you don't you haven't
even found your voice untilyou've recorded a hundred
(11:33):
episodes.
SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
Exactly.
And I would say I would even uhqualify it and say at least a
hundred.
At least a hundred.
And you know, if you think aboutit, unfortunately, a lot of
podcasters don't reach that.
You know, they'll they'll shoot,you know, maybe 10 episodes.
Oh, this is not working.
No, sometimes you need 500 to1000, you know, episodes before
you get that large following.
(11:56):
Um, and the important thing isis like you're still doing it
for the sake of enjoying it.
So that's another thing, too, isyou know, do it for the
enjoyment, whatever it is you'resetting out to be, whether
you're a speaker or a host, ifyou do that for the sake of
enjoyment, who the outcome,well, you know, that's icing on
(12:17):
the cake.
If it comes great, if not, youhad fun, and you and your guests
had fun if you bring on a guest.
And that's that's the only wayto do that, I I feel, is to just
practice, you know, and andwhether it's on state, you know,
even in front of a mirror.
I know it sounds cool, you know,but just practice speaking and
(12:38):
take every opportunity you canget, and just because that's the
only way you're gonna get morecomfortable out of it.
It's one of those things like ifyou want to you want to get over
your fear of public speaking, wegotta rip the band-aid off.
And you just gotta do it.
Um, because that's the only wayyou're gonna overcome anything
is by sometimes doing it.
You know, even in my work as ayou know, with psychology, if
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you have a fear of phobia, theonly way you're gonna really
overcome that fear is by facingit head on, which it's not gonna
be easy.
I'm not gonna sit here and sayit's the easiest thing you'll
do, but that's the way youovercome it.
You gotta sometimes stare, youknow, head on.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
Absolutely.
Um I've had so many thoughtsjust with everything you've
said.
One of the ones that you youmentioned a few minutes ago, you
were talking about people aredrawn to a bold story, and it
made me think of bravery, theway that Dr.
Brene Brown defines it, asvulnerability.
(13:38):
And when we get up on thatstage, that's vulnerability.
And so that is something to beadmired, that is something to be
respected, and that is somethingthat you have to do it to learn
to ask the right questions,right?
Because the first time I got onstage, I had prepared my
presentation and I knew what Iwas gonna say, and then they
(14:01):
threw a pointer and a mic in myhand, and I was like, I did not
plan for this.
SPEAKER_01 (14:07):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
I didn't think about it, and my knuckles were white
because I was holding themicrophone so tight, and I was
like, relax, like it's not gonnago anywhere, right?
And you, you know, those littlethings, and I didn't even know
that was a question I had to asktill I was there.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
Yeah, and and that yeah, I agree wholeheartedly
with Brennan, you know, that umbecause you know, a lot of
people encourage the absence offear, it's not, it's you know,
and learning to you know be workthrough it.
Um and again, bravery could justbe being vulnerable, and that's
where people connect with.
(14:43):
You know, people connect with aspeaker for you know, on a
one-on-one basis, even thoughthey may be speaking to
thousands of people, uh theaudience member is going to
connect to a speaker that canresonate with them.
So um that's the one thing Iwould say.
Sometimes, even uh what I advisespeakers to do is sometimes look
(15:03):
at particular people in theaudience while you're speaking
and pretend like you're justhaving that chat with that.
That's your friend in theaudience.
And you just look at differentpeople and you look around and
you make eye contact.
Because so many times I'll seethese speakers they're looking
up at the ceiling, they'relooking up at their mic or their
faces buried in their notes, andit's not going to come across as
authentic, and you're not gonnareally be reaching the audience.
(15:27):
So speak to somebody in in thataudience, look at somebody and
make eye contact and pretendlike you're speaking to them.
And yeah, be vulnerable, be youknow, because people love
authenticity, people lovevulnerability, and that's what
will really make because even ifyou listen to Tony Robbins, I
mean he gets extremelyvulnerable on stage.
(15:48):
Um, or any, you know, ReneeBrown, uh, Mel Robbins, all
these people that are like inthe self-help uh world and that
have these, you know,outstanding podcasts and these
large followings, they'regetting vulnerable every
episode.
unknown (16:02):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (16:02):
And you know, really going into and telling some
deep, you know, deep stuff abouttheir own lives.
And I think that's what makesthem so successful is they're
not doing a canned script,they're not doing that.
Um even when I was in college,when I was in public speaking
class, our professor would, youknow, if we noticed it that we
(16:25):
were relying on our note cards,he would come right up to us and
take our note cards and put themon the desk.
I've got to keep keep goingbecause you know, and and that
is terrifying, but the processis that you know, I really see
the value on that lessontremendously now.
Like let you know, you shouldnot be reliable on your uh note
cards.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
And I think that's a great point.
Um, to tie back into well, whatdoes that have to do with acting
if I'm just speaking off thecuff, right?
And that is where I've learnedto structure my stories with a
purpose.
If I'm gonna take you down intothe depths of my despair because
I was there, I need a plan forgetting you back out.
(17:11):
I need to know where this storyis going because I don't want to
go on a tangent and you know belike, oh my God, and then this
happened, it was horrible.
And now you're crying in apuddle and everybody feels bad.
That's not the point, right?
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
No, so not at all.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
Having that practice with an acting coach who can
help you pinpoint thosevulnerable moments that they're
ready to share, right?
Because you have to have donethe work internally.
Yeah, and also structure gettingout so that it serves a purpose
to your story, to your business,to what you're doing.
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
Of course.
And it's always like that feel,felt, sound phenomenon.
Okay, so this is how I feel,this is what I felt, and this is
what I found.
And if you keep that formula inthere, it'll keep you track.
So you're not, you can just takethem down and then come back up
and say, okay, I'm gonna pivot.
And here's how what I'velearned, and here's how how I
overcome.
Because a lot of times when youdo tell these stories, uh,
(18:09):
you're connecting.
And that's the bet, you know,the best speakers, if you think
about it, tell stories.
They're not just talking aboutfacts.
I mean, they may they may mixstuff in there, but they're
gonna okay, go back to a storyand then have an outcome.
And and because there's a goodchance that somebody else is
going through that story rightnow speaking.
(18:30):
Um, but yeah, having having thatfocus, I I mean, it it's just
just being again that freeingmoment, I think, is so valuable,
you know, and that flexibilitythat anything can happen.
You can get an audience membercan make a comment or a question
that can totally change thetrajectory of your presentation.
And I think you have to be readyfor that.
Um, again, equipment canmalfunction.
(18:54):
Um, you know, this is why Idon't, I'm not, you know, I I I
like PowerPoint to a degree, butI don't rely on it because I
could get up on stage if I ifI'm totally relying on
PowerPoint.
What if there's a power failure?
What if my cable or computercan't connect to the PowerPoint
slides?
Am I gonna fall like a bottleand collapse?
No, I have to the show must goon.
(19:16):
That's another acting thing.
The show must go on.
Uh, even when you mess up as aspeaker, a lot of times just
continue, just continue.
That's the whole thing withacting.
Like when people are performingin plays, you you swell the
line.
Go, don't swell on it.
And most of the time, theaudience doesn't even pick up on
that, right?
You know, unless you really drawattention to it.
(19:38):
But other than that, just gowith it.
You know, you say the wrongthing.
Okay, well, just correctyourself and move on.
Um, you're human, your audiencewill either forget or they'll
forgive.
You know, even if they do catchon, they'll they'll they'll
forgive you.
Plus, we also when we'reself-conscious, we actually are
very harsh on ourselves.
(19:59):
Because there are times evenwhen I thought, like, oh, this
is this is poorly done.
Uh, you know, people are not,and then you know, people are
coming out.
That was great.
I'm like, okay.
So and if you do what anotherthing I do with even you know,
dealing with with failure or orfeedback, constructive
criticism, um, look at it asfeedback.
(20:21):
So one of the things that Ialways tell anybody I work with,
there's no such thing asfailure, only feedback.
So even if someone comes up toyou after you hosted an episode
or you've been on the stage andsomeone says, Well, I feel like
you would have done this better,or this better, or that better.
Well, okay, you know, now maybethat's their opinion, yes.
(20:42):
But if there's something inthere that you could that you
can gain, like, well, you know,I didn't think of that.
Okay, I'll make sure of that.
Uh, use more eye contact, youknow, look more around the room,
um, talk more about that.
You should say, I wish youtalked more about okay, great.
Now I know for next time.
Not to dwell on and say, oh no,I did a horrible job.
You know, last year I presentedat a hypnosis conference.
(21:04):
I did a topic on hypnosis andanxiety for you know, for an
hour, it was a 45-minute talk.
And there were 21 people in theroom, and they all submitted
evaluations.
19 of them were five out offive, which is amazing.
Uh, one of them was like a threeout of five, you know, it was
unclear.
One of them was really one outof five, like totally like this
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was a messed up disorganizedpresentation, a waste of my
time.
Now, the old Albert would havebeen crumbling like a puddle.
If I because and I and itwouldn't have mattered that I
just had 19 people telling me itwas great.
I would have been focusing anddwelling on that one person.
(21:49):
And now what I was reallyimpressed was was I let that
roll off.
I'm like, well, that was I'msorry, I wasn't I'm not ever
gonna be everyone's cup of tea.
I get that.
That happens.
Oh well, move on.
You know, I I I impacted 19.
Now, now if if if all 19 weresaying that this was then I
would have to sit there and notstill not dwell on it, but say,
(22:10):
okay, well, next time I do thistalk, I need to change a couple
of things around.
And so I use that as feedback.
You know, I don't even like theword like um the I I often
reframe the word likeconstructive criticism.
Can you give me, you know, can Igive you some feedback?
Because I think when you hear,you know, what do you do?
You know, think about somebodywho says to you, hey, I got some
(22:32):
constructive criticism to giveyou.
Automatically, like, okay, I'mgonna I'm gonna shut down.
But it's like, hey, I have somefeedback.
So what is some feedback fromfrom this?
And I often say when you'regiving feedback, I often one of
the techniques I love to use isis a compliment sandwich.
You've ever heard of that.
You say something good, and thensomething can be approved, and
(22:52):
you end off with a with acompliment.
But feedback is much more lessis less disarming, and it helps
you overcome because that's thegoal.
You know, we want to help otherpeople overcome things.
Well, sometimes we have to givethem informed feedback, which
may not always be complimentary,but also respectful enough so
(23:12):
that you know we can grow fromthat.
So, you know, being being opento feedback is also part of the
coaching process, too.
And to know that we're notperfect, you know.
Again, you know, as you said,you know, I would I would
challenge you know every youknow podcast host, okay, listen
to episode one and then listento episode 100.
(23:35):
And then even episode 200 keepgoing, you know, and then you'll
see, oh, I'm getting better.
I'm getting better.
And that's and and you know, alot of times your audience is
tuning in, they're not tuning inbecause they're working for
both, they're looking to beinspired, so they're not gonna
be even noticing the the theflop, the flubs or the here and
(23:56):
there all the time.
So just practice, you know,that's the whole thing too.
With even with acting, you know,it's just practice every day.
But that's with any skill, youknow, whether it's acting,
speaking, playing sports,playing music, it's just daily
practice.
SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
Yeah.
Um, to your point, if they don'tknow that it's supposed to be
there, I used to be a server andwe used to have to go to the
whole spiel.
This is this menu, this is thismenu.
But let me tell you, every timeI went through the little spiel,
I always made more in tipsbecause I sold more stuff,
right?
But we would have to go througha certain process, and the the
(24:35):
managers would remind us, youknow, when we were opening up
the restaurant, they were like,they don't know the order.
So if you mess it up, you keepgoing, they're not gonna be
like, oh, you did it wrong,because they don't know.
And if they do know, like if theaudience knows, right, you
messed up a line and theaudience is like adoring the
play, they know every line andthey see that you messed it up,
(24:56):
but you didn't let that rattleyou, they're gonna be impressed.
They're gonna be like, Oh, shefumbled a little bit, but that
didn't even stop her at all.
Like she just kept going.
So, either way, you win.
SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Of course, and that's the way it's just just go
with it.
I mean, and that's where I feellike some of the acting training
will will be good for you, theimprov writing will do because
it'll just tell you to just likeuse a technique of yes and okay,
made the mistake, and let's keepgoing.
Um, so that you know, afterwardsit can uh be a lot easier.
And yeah, I mean, I and most ofthe people that are in a
(25:30):
restaurant are gonna are whenthey're listening to to the
specials, they're gonna befinding out what they want, not
whether you said this before ornot.
They uh and they already havetheir mind up a lot of times
when they sit into that chairwhat they already want.
So they're just hearing you, butit's connection, it's showing
them when you do that, I respectyou.
And those are the weight staffthat get the most tips are the
(25:51):
ones that show the most genuineinterest and care for the for
the customer or the patrons.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
The ones that paint the best story, because it was
all about creating that thatexperience, right?
Of elevating it.
You're not just here to eat arandom Tuesday, like it's
Margarita Tuesday, let's make ita party, right?
And you create an experience,you're acting, you're letting
them know these are the amazingthings.
(26:18):
Um, yeah, and that's acting too,right?
You have a script andeverything.
Um tell me how can the audiencestay in touch with you?
SPEAKER_01 (26:29):
Okay, well, you can uh follow me on Instagram at
dr.albermonti.
Um, I'm also on LinkedIn andFacebook, you know, under Albert
Bramonte.
Um, feel free to reach out, DMme, you know, if anything you
want to talk about.
Um, you can also go to mywebsite at albertbermonti.com,
uh, which has um, you know,recordings and things, you know,
(26:53):
confidence builders um for anyand all issues.
Feel free to, you know, take alook at that.
Um, and also my book.
I just want to give a plug to mybook.
Uh, it's called Rise Up of theScript, Confronting Self-Doubt
and Mastering Self-Sabotage forPerforming Artists.
It's available on Amazon.
I have it both as a paperback, aKindle, and also audiobook.
(27:15):
So feel free to you know checkit out.
And I'd love to have anyconversations with you moving
forward.
And and I want to thank youagain for having me on here.
SPEAKER_00 (27:27):
And remember, if you're a speaker, if you're a
podcast host, if you're apodcast guest, if you're doing
PR, you're a performing artistin your own way.
And this book is gonna be superhelpful.
I can already tell just becauseyou're such an expert.
Like, and I love, like I said,that you mix it's not just the
acting side of it, you have thatpsychology background.
(27:48):
And so I just think that thosetwo things, that's just such a
winning combination.
So that is amazing.
Great resource.
SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
Well, thank you.
Thank you, Nicole.
Thank you again for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
Yes, of course.
And final tip can you leave usoff with what's like the biggest
tip that you share with youraudience that leaves them with
the biggest aha moment?
SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
Sure.
Um, remember what it is thatyou're doing, um, and celebrate
all your wins, small or large.
Well, there's a really thing asa small win.
A win is a win.
So I in my book I talk about thehappy file.
So one of the things about thehappy file is you get out a
physical journal.
I, you know, I'm I'm old schoolhere, and write down anytime if
(28:29):
you're a speaker or host, or youget a compliment uh from an
audience member, or you know, orsome someone who is an attendee,
uh, you get a good review ifyou're an actor, or a compliment
from an audience member, anytype of compliment you get,
document that.
So when moments of self-doubtcome in, which is a human
(28:50):
condition.
It's normal to have self-doubt.
I have self-doubt.
We all have self-doubt at times.
Pull out your happy file whenthose self-moments of self-doubt
comes in, and then it'llremember why you're connected,
why you're doing what you'redoing.
And then it'll help you stillcan you know maintain connection
to your why.
So that's what I would have tosay.
SPEAKER_00 (29:09):
I love that.
We didn't even talk aboutgratitude, but gratitude is like
the foundation of everything Ido.
So I love that you brought itup.
And I love that you call it thehappy file.
It could be happy file, it couldbe a happy jar, it could be a
happy whatever, right?
But I love that.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
Yes, whatever you want to call it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
Thank you so much.
This has been amazing.
All right, and we will catch youguys next time on the next
episode of Overcome Yourself aPodcast.
Bye.
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