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Chapters
00:00 Intro
02:16 M80 sign JBA and let HexT leave
04:35 Magisk and Device to leave Astralis
09:05 What cores will be bought and sold?
22:55 GamerLegion lose ash and bench ztr, snax rejoins
28:15 paiN bench two players
32:08 Spirit vs Falcons
45:20 Vitality vs The MongolZ
50:00 FURIA vs NAVI
57:35 MOUZ vs FaZe
01:00:00 Spirit vs Vitality
01:10:08 FaZe vs NAVI
01:13:24 Vitality vs FaZe
01:20:15 Are Vitality the best team ever?

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
So, Jack. Hi, Sam.
I notice you've got a thing on your head.
Yes, it's it's nearly Christmas.Do you think that's right?
Christmas has ended. Suitable for our serious
podcast. I think this is maybe the most
serious thing I've ever done on the show.

(00:20):
I'm very serious about Christmas.
Are you? Yes.
What's your what's your Christmas traditions?
Talk me through. Wake up, well, I want to go
through old school Christmas because I don't drink anymore,
but wake up, beer, presents, beer, big sort of breakfast Y

(00:44):
brunch, you know what I mean? Go see the grandparents, get
that out of the way. Come back home.
Beer, massive dinner, roughly 12pigs of blankets.
Ideally big trifle. I met the trifle.
Trifle's really good beers. Board games till I till I fall

(01:05):
asleep. This is a great day.
Right. OK, A lot of beer there.
Yeah, something to do with socializing with family.
You need to soften the blow. But you don't drink now.
No. So how are you going to deal
with your family this year? Well, I've moved out of, so
maybe they'll be happy to see methis time.

(01:27):
I'm not sure. Don't.
You just spend Christmas on yourown like a sad little man.
I could I could sit at my desk in this hat and and not drink
beer, but that would be quite, quite awful.
It would be quite miserable, wouldn't it?
What's on your Christmas list, Sam?
On my Christmas list. Diamond coin, sorry.

(01:56):
Do you know what, Jack? Tell me.
It's new viewers for this podcast, so should we give them
a reason to listen? We should.
Go run the intro. So, Jack, you know how a minute

(02:17):
ago I was talking about sad little men?
Yes, particularly, well, I think, I think there's going to
be a sad little man this Christmas over in in Canada
because Hex won't be continuing with M80.
Yeah, I'm a little shocked, I'llbe honest, because he was pretty
good and I think they did work very well at the major.

(02:38):
So it seems it seems he's a little shocked as well, to be
fair. I mean for for for non video a.
Little surprised, as he says. Yes for non video watchers
enjoyers I hope audio. Only listeners.
Audio files, X tweeted. Safe to say I was a little

(03:00):
surprised when I was told I wouldn't be rejoining them for
next season. But nonetheless, I love playing
with the guys and they were someof my most favorite teammates to
play with. Now, not really surprised by
that considering some of the shot he's played before.
But yeah, it's just strange to me.
So we'll talk about who they're bringing in.
They're bringing in JBA, formerly of Wild Card and

(03:24):
everyone say from that hellhole.I was just about to say on the
wild card topic though because this is like now there's two
orgs that are making decisions, kind of not consulting the
players. Like I think Jaber JBA is good
obviously, but like you see thatmuch better than Hex, especially

(03:45):
if the team seemed quite happy to have Hexed.
Yeah, I don't really. I don't.
I don't really get this move if I'm being honest.
He is like 12, right? So 21. 21. 21.
According to this here HLTV article, like he's really good.
He's really good and maybe his ceiling is higher than.

(04:10):
Higher. Hex, but like, I think Hex
really slotted him well on Mae and he actually made them quite
dangerous. They just, they just seemed
vibe. They seemed like they were all
like things were going well. So it does seem like a little
bit of a shock. I'll be if I'm if I'm being
frank. Yeah, I just don't I don't

(04:30):
really get this one, but I, you know, I like Mae, so I hope it I
hope it works out for them. Yes.
What's next, producer Charlie? What's next in Santa's sack of
roster moves? Yeah, brilliant, Brilliant.
So Australis are fucked. There's there's no other way to
say Australis are fucked. So like.

(04:51):
That's a new thing, like them being.
Well, well, quite. But they've not just been
attached to a perpetual fucking machine for the last four years.
What's the What's the name of a fucking machine?
Me, me. Dwayne Johnson.
No, that's the smashing machine.close enough.

(05:12):
Close enough. Yeah, that will do.
So smashing machine Australis have been fucked by Dwayne the
Carter Johnson and a report cameout that Device will be leaving.
He's off to 100 thieves as 100 videos video enjoyers can now
see. And then another report came out

(05:34):
to say that Magisk won't be continuing with the team, but
also that Stan won't be returning.
So I think there's a, there's a few things to break down here,
Jack. I'll let you pick which one we
start with. Well the caveat of them not
paying anyone for the end of theyear maybe is is something to to

(05:59):
look at. Are they cooked as an org?
No, this would. Be by the way, this would be the
Jonas Gunderson. Hat trick.
I'd just like to point out Australia's don't have money
problems, they have cash flow problems.
So they're two very different things and idiots think cash
flow means that they're broke. They aren't broke, they just

(06:22):
have cash flow problems. Carry on.
OK, I'm not broke, I just have cash.
I thought Madisk was pretty goodwhen he joined and then
regressed it to the mean and wasjust then kind of buns again.
Device has just not been good, unfortunately.

(06:46):
The, the, the, The thing is, is that Steer is the best player on
this team, and that's alarming, really.
Yeah, I mean. Not that I think steers bad.
No, he's not bad. On a name of those on a team
with those names, he he should be your 4th best player.

(07:06):
He he's not bad and he's probably better than I give him
credit for, but he's not like him.
He's not the player that you want leading the line for your
trophy contending team. And I think like on on the
majestic point, I'm surprised they're not keeping him on like

(07:27):
I don't. It's unlikely he's got somewhere
else to go. Yeah, I I just think like a lot.
Of demand for. Him listen, he he's way past his
best, but he's at least stable, and I think that's the type of
thing australis need when half the players decide they don't
want to play yeah, any any givenday.

(07:49):
The device part is the more interesting part because
obviously there is also some rumors that he won't even be
Orping on 100 thieves that I've heard a little bit to be honest.
I'm just. Kind of gross.
I'm kind of just excited to see how this time the Thieves team
comes together. I said this last week right
about one of the major 2 ends. We can see the roster, but it

(08:15):
just could be kind of kind of fun, right?
Pretty Charlie is searching, butno, yeah, like, it probably
won't be very good, but I don't know.
It just the thing that matters is who the core is, right?
Who they actually sign. And like still kind of think

(08:36):
that it'll be game illusion whether that includes PR or ZTR
surely. I, I don't think so.
I think device will be open. Well, maybe, but like there's a
number of players that can make up the game of Legion core.

(08:56):
Dust was saying that the game ofLegion move is completely off.
But there's, you know, there's anumber of players, oh, there's a
number of orgs that are looking to buy cores.
Game Allegiance aren't the only core that can be bought.

(09:17):
I would say much more other thanthat, other than no one would
believe the money that is being thrown around.
Like whatever you think the money is for the Game Allegiance
core, you may as well add on another Zero all.
That, yeah. Like it's not that high, but it
is like. Closer to that high than even

(09:40):
not. Yeah, you'd think I was taking
the piss if I told you. Do we?
Do we how do how do we feel about about, you know, the vRS
consequence that now cores are are sold opposed to building
teams out of pieces? And also like, obviously the way
that leads onto the Falcons thing of buying a coal and then

(10:01):
get in the Ross that you want after like 12 months.
But you just have to do it one at a time.
Do you know what I mean? I mean, I think it's pretty
dangerous, right? Yeah, I know because of the
thing too. I think like in one aspect, OK,
now again, I'm not going to say the values because I don't know
how much I can I can say, but asa, as an arbitrary number and

(10:25):
this is higher than what I can say.
But let's say there are, there are 5 orgs looking to come into
the game and in total what they spend will add up to 10 million.
That is in theory 10 million that in some degree trickles
down right? Like let's say org.

(10:47):
Org one buys org A score. Well now org A needs to buy a
core. So they buy a core off a lower
down team and then that team. I mean, granted, they could take
their money and run or they, youknow, sign another call.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and a lot of money starts

(11:08):
getting circulated around. But at the same time, we always
talk about bubbles in E sports and this really feels to me like
a very dangerous bubble. Well, I think like also buyouts
are kind of ridiculous. And this is, this is we spoke a
few probably a few months ago about like how like the agents
have kind of, I would say, arbitrarily inflated the buyouts

(11:32):
of players and they've affected careers in some in some sense.
But also like obviously an agentwill tell you you're actually
with five mil, not not 4 mil because they're getting a cut of
that. I mean, if you're getting 20%,
yeah, you 20% of an actual million is, is a lot, right?
So yeah, I think, I don't know if it's, but I just don't know

(11:58):
if it's good for the health of the actual competitive scene
because we're not building teamsthat are the best, we're
building teams that get you invites.
Yeah. And then eventually you.
Host which which then kind of becomes, which kind of becomes
its own partner system in a way.Well, yeah, you.
Have basically have to front, you have to front rather than a

(12:19):
franchise fee, you're fronting acore fee.
Do you know what I mean? And all the cores know if, if,
if you think you're buying a core that gets the major, you
can say, well, this is a major qualifying core.
So we know you'll make X amount of money from them.
So they're going to cost you 3 times that.
Do you know what I mean? So.
Well, this, this is the thing that also concerns me is I

(12:42):
cannot for the life of me the money I've been told see the ROI
at all. Yeah.
Like I, I don't even think like it's even possible to get a
return on that investment. Is BC game making money like
like from from that E sports division?
I know they're like a massive casino so I don't know if they

(13:03):
even really care but. Like, I mean, maybe they just
view it as a loss leader, right?Yeah, is there I mean, sure.
I mean I wouldn't know about theside otherwise.
So I guess it works for them, which is crazy that E sports
should be a loss leader for you,but that that's gamba.
Oh, they have like. They have serious money.
I don't think they sponsor a Premier League team or they were

(13:24):
going to sponsor a Premier League team that's.
Crazy. I can't remember who it.
Was but yeah sure, I guess they're about example right
because they like they have likea you know they're owned or they
are already an existing businessbut like I guess a heroic for
example right like that all is not they're not winning a lot

(13:45):
are they really I like the heroic team but.
I'm not saying anything. OK, sure.
What I mean though is I, I don'tknow.
I just. No, but OK.
But if you're in the position of.
Like Falcons, are we going to make money from their team?

(14:05):
How many majors are the Falcons need to win to pay off who they
bought? Oh who they bought already?
Like probably free. And that's just buyers.
That's not the salaries they're paying.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, every.
No. You know, but this is the thing.
But like if you're if you're in the heroic position where you're
the type of. People are like.
Yearly farm out a core that's probably quite good.

(14:29):
But my question is, is like whathappens when those teams that
have been consistently buying cores doesn't work?
Like we've all seen what's happening with BC game at the
moment. You know the bench necks or the
bench Sassanito and do is just he's guaranteed gone.

(14:51):
There's no way they're getting rid of two of them and not free
with the fucking vRS ranking they have.
And they're not going to get ridof Russian.
Speaking coal, right? They're not going to get rid of
the Counter Strike equivalent ofcancer electronic like they will
buy. They will be buying a core.
They they absolutely will be. Which Charlie, if you just pull

(15:12):
up the HLTV rankings real quick,Get on the get on the vRS
fuckers. Are they buying?
Well, I think they've got two options.
I think bait is 1. You have one's fanatic.
Of course. Yeah, they're Ukrainian.
Sure. Yeah.

(15:33):
And they go Ukrainian, which which then creates the
interesting conversation of, OK,you've got simple, now you're
going to have Jambo. So who who walks there?
Or does Jambo just get deckstered?
Probably. Which is the new version of
naughty, by the way, is is getting deckstered is when

(15:57):
you're part of a core and they have no intention to ever keep
you. But then like you said, it's
it's who do who do fanatic move on to because who is?
And The thing is, you're never going to be buying.
You're not buying AH for you. You're not buying from above,
you're buying from below. So.
But you get the best pieces fromEcstatic.

(16:17):
I mean, fanatic, not a harrowingteam, by the way.
Yeah, it's not good. That guy is freaky.
I mean, Cyrus pretty good. I'm sorry, it's good, but it's
fucking terrifying like. It looks.
Like their sleeve was a ghoul. Sorry mate, isn't.

(16:42):
In all seriousness, in all seriousness, sorry is someone
that Australia should be lookingat for their team.
Yeah, and to go in a field and scarecrows away from them.
Sorry, I've got to get some serious anatics.

(17:03):
He's a Charlie's type thing. I think he's going to tell me
he's going to cut this bit out because.
I'm please, Phil. Yeah, no.
He's a ginger Danish. Person.
I don't think I've ever no theremust be a ginger Danish person.
He's got a proper Danish name aswell.
Like he's, he's got to be legit.He's God that is crazy Danish.

(17:24):
Should he stop insult in the poor kid?
He's 90. He's.
Got he's got a 119 rating. He's he's obviously good at the
game. He can probably take it.
Yeah. So the point, yeah, the point
is, yeah, this just cause like our team's just going to get

(17:45):
like hollowed out and then fold.Like if you're, let's be
realistic, let's be realistic. Do you then solve them F to
let's say not be all right or toa good team maybe?
Crimson's. I was going to say that, but I
feel like that was seriously. And then Crim's just like, well,

(18:07):
I've had enough now. Time to hang up the mouse, you
know? And then he starts playing the
game. Which?
Is about that time. Like I don't want for that.
I don't want for that guys, Yes,but like if you lose your core.
No, but you just you just buy the next one down.
But this is what you. Do then you will perpetually
exist in this like mid tier of of shit like you're not actually

(18:28):
going to. Get yeah, but you'll be making
shit tons of money. I mean, yeah, selling out to BC.
Game, although play, isn't it? Although based on what I've
heard, maybe not in fanatics case, but you know, yeah, just
throwing that one. Out should should we should we
just start a team that would we just sell to BC game every year?

(18:51):
So I was going to make a commentthen.
Money printing machine. Hey, Charlie, peep this out.
Jack. Jack.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We, we build the team. It's us and we just find free,
good people. And then.
Oh, right, yeah. Train them into being good.

(19:14):
Right. And you and I are going to do
that, right? Potentially.
Should we look at our face accounts or should?
We well, I would just, I would like the just the profit really.
I don't care about playing, I just want to sell my team to.
Be so we need we need 5 good people then. 4.
Who's the 5th? You can play, I'll coach, I'll

(19:36):
do the finance anyway. I I My point is.
We'll talk about. That it's very lucrative to have
Ato two team right now I would say.
I think so, I think. Or rather to.
Be a Tier 2 all I guess is more.Accurate in a circular or so
Ukrainian, but yeah I agree. Also losing losing Karen, right?

(19:57):
So yeah, they're losing a Slim Shady.
If if you are some. Lookers and see.
But if you are around the these ranks like short. 40 to 20,
yeah. I think the way you've got to
think about it, and it's the wayyou've got to think about it for
both the teams above and these teams, like if you're BC game,
you've got simple, right? You've got to start.

(20:17):
Sorry, can we just X5G7V is backon the team?
Yeah, I noticed that the other day.
Steam Guard is back. That's awesome.
Yeah, it's good. Anyway.
Anyway, anyway, the news. The news.
If you're if you're BC game, youhave a star in simple, you have
electronic like if you then add in free players from a decent

(20:43):
core, in theory, you know, you improve upon their vRS ranking
because of the stars you've already got.
So then you go to fanatic. I don't know where you're
scrolling to, producer Charlie. I'm talking about fanatic
Nelson, scroll back down. No, scroll back.
Producer Charlie. You are ruining my life brother.

(21:04):
Go back, go back. Jimmy, I'll pull that out.
Go back. Yeah, I could see that from the
vRS ranking screen we were on, you twat.
Thank you. That would be.
Horrible. No.
Producer Charlie. No.
He's never seen a Julian. This person, he's probably
traumatized. Sheltered and traumatized and
going to have to cry on the phone to his mother late.

(21:24):
Yeah. Producer Charlie, I'm sorry.
OK. But my point is, can you Scroll
down a little bit more? By the way, if you're then
fanatic, you then look at ecstatic and you think, OK, the
34th, we aren't losing that muchground.
I mean, what? What is it?
100 vRS points difference? 120 vRS points different.
That's the difference like getting to the major as well.
That's. Crazy.

(21:45):
And we've already got like a Danish player, a Swedish player,
like we'll have Scandinavian team and you get to add the best
Danish player into did. They just did they play long
game, did they? Did they get Chicasmo for Zife
or just for this? Have we just been like 40 chest

(22:07):
by by what's his name? Sam Samuelson.
It would be good, wouldn't it? I actually, at that point I
wouldn't blame him. I really wouldn't blame him,
actually. If they get signed into this
game. And it's the free Ukrainians.
Yeah, I'll, I'll rescind my. I'll I'll, I'll make a public
statement about something entirely related, but I'll say

(22:28):
something. OK, I'll say something.
Public statement checkouts himself.
That needs to go. I'm sorry, you can't say that
shit. No, that's that's state.
No, it's not. Yeah, it is.

(22:49):
If you're wearing a Christmas hat on the podcast, you can take
this from the machine. It's like that poor boy did.
Anyway, let's talk about Game ofLegion.
Charlie, switch on to Ash, please, son.
All right, so Ash is gone. Game of Legion are officially
dead. Natural confidence of of
coaching Hypex and also Kersey. Kersey and.

(23:12):
Mainly Kersey. Yeah, mainly Kersey.
He's feeling burnt out, so not agreat start to the week for game
lesion. They then announced that they
would be benching, said TR. That one's a weird one.
I kind of get it, I think. Two side reasons, yes, but I do

(23:32):
think he's a pretty good idea I.Don't know what I think of him
really. I'd like to see him away from
Ash. Yeah.
Because like we all think, Ash is really good.
Also, how do you pronounce Ash'ssurname?

(23:52):
It's got to be Batty. It is Ashley Batty because
that's. Something also it is Batty.
Anyway, back to game elation. Back to game elation.
Yeah. So ZTR is out as they look to
add more experience to the roster.
Wouldn't say ZTR is inexperience.
And they got snacks. Which honestly they obviously

(24:16):
sold into G2, got a bag, knew it.
No, knowing he was like absolutely at game legion level
and not higher at all. Not even game Legion level
carried by. And they go back.
I don't think he's even that bad.
I think like this cut, the move kind of makes sense for the.
Level. No, he's really not that well,
they're about to go down the level, right?

(24:36):
I mean, they're like. Downward trend.
No, but like let's assume they hang on to Hypex as well because
they are losing players 100% they are losing players like PR.
The next Polish court is I wroteabout this in the newsletter.
It's like it's a team called like Oromond or something.

(24:59):
Charlie, go on the HLTV rankings.
Where's Krasnell? Because he was in.
No go on actual HLTV and go on to regional.
He Krasnell isn't on. OK, he he's on X in a circle
with Hades. OK, so Orimond is the higher

(25:21):
HLTV, but Venom is the highest vRS, higher vRS.
So you get Venom and. You're going to get everyone
that's not innocent. Yeah, yeah, everyone is not
innocent. Which, look, it's not exactly
like. Teams.
But have you got 6 each of the viewpoints?

(25:42):
What's that about one? Well they only go up to 1000 to
be fair, and these lot aren't playing events that HLTV
respect. Yeah.
So, yeah, so. The the Suwonko, I'm going to
say his name is maybe the most Polish looking man ever.
Oh he is Polish looking, isn't? He wait, were they the reason

(26:04):
team? Were they the reason?
Oh, I think. Oh, they cheat us.
Or match fixers, I think they'reone of them.
They might be. Yeah, the name antivirus is
good. What about spell Baku?
That's pretty good. Not as big on that flay
antivirus. I'm telling you now though, that
flay guy, he lives in England. 100% Flay lives in England.

(26:29):
That is an English trim. His name's A. 100%.
Alan Alan. Alan Krupa, He's second Gen.
bro. He's not even fair.
Mate, he lives in Leeds, guaranteed.
His location is listed as Poland, to be fair.
But all right, fair enough. And to be fair, he looks like he
might be an all right player. Go on, have it.

(26:53):
Very first. He's just like a very English
gamertag as well it feels like. Yeah, but yeah, so I think game
of Legion, Game of Legion are fucked, like really fucked.
Which is sad, but we'll always have Paris.
We will. Do you reckon Ash goes back or
does he end up on like a oh? Mate, he's so fucking gone.

(27:15):
He's so fucking gone. There is no fucking way.
Like there is no way. If they lose all the good parts
about that team, he fucking stays.
He'll be there calling up any Dick heads he can.
Fucking get Carrigan on the phone, lad.
Get fucking Neo got. What does Neo do?
We'll talk about him in a bit. What the fuck does Neo do?

(27:35):
He just sort of stands there looking kind of swaggy and then
sort of says, like, guys, we need to win the next round.
Yeah. Pretty much it was like a a less
egregious Taz, but also Robin was the exact same.
Robin was the exact same. I don't think Carrigan has ever
wanted a coach who who can tell him how to play the game like
he. Wants to no, but at least like

(27:56):
Robin like screamed in his ear and was like yeah, but Neo just
kind of stands there like fucking aura fast.
Going No, it's yeah, but he's good at it.
He just looks swagged out. Yeah.
I fuck. With that, I think that's all
the roster news. Any Jack, is that all?
Is that all the roster? Moves.
It's a lot considering. Oh fuck.

(28:16):
You know, pain. Pain.
We can't forget pain. Oh God.
Pain. Pain of bench, DGT and David
Deus. Bloody hell, they had one good
result. Yeah, you know, David Deus.
David Deus. I mean like getting a semi final
like a major was really cool. I was really happy for them.

(28:38):
They've just not worked since. I hope the line is Fanny.
The thing is is NQZ is very goodand bigger 0 is very good so if
they get. Snow is also quite good, to be
fair. Oh yes, I think Snow is also
great. So like like he's also like
still perpetually like maybe 19 years old or how old he is now.

(29:00):
Like in San he's the the obviouspick and I think the Cowsy is
the other player they should getbecause I think he's also been
like a sleeper in MLBR and in the other team he's in is.
He you know what I'd do? See what I'd do so I'd have a
gamble on instead of like Cowsy I get looks.

(29:21):
Isn't he also agile? Yeah.
Well, because you're stop calling.
Yeah, just let Bigger 0 kill people and get looks.
There's no idea. Looks just gone one step further
than fucking bigger. He's won a fucking event.
But why don't you get Demau theninstead get Mr. Grippers?

(29:43):
Because Insani's probably betterthan Demau.
He's better than Demau, but if you've got 2 spots, I'm not
going to tend to know the roles of of these Brazilian teams.
I'm just being being real, but. Insani run, shoot.
Yeah, I know this. Yeah.
Dumar doesn't run shoot as much.No, but I feel like pain would

(30:05):
need run. Shoot, man.
Two run shoot or one run shoot man.
Well, insanity. Yeah, I guess, Dumar.
Overtime on inferno conversationyeah no, don't get Dumar as well
get an IGL like try and get try yeah, but try and get some more

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All right, so the the major playoffs app and Jack as a

(32:12):
general thing, did you enjoy them?
Did you like them? Did you have fun?
I enjoyed them up until the semifinals because.
OK. Spirit through chopper.
It's very, very hard to defend you.
We'll, we'll get to that. We'll get to that, right?
Just as the bomb, the bomb's not.
For con Awful. No, it's a.
Good major. It's a good, enjoyable major.

(32:35):
The playoffs were the best bit. Absolutely.
And all the nonsense about groupstages being more fun than the
playoffs. Is, is, is.
Yeah, it's absolutely just upset.
It's hogwash, I would say. Kill that argument with fire.
It's also just just look at lookat the teams.
I'm going to put an Astros at the phase because they just
should never have made it, but very stacked, lots of very good

(32:57):
teams. Yeah, like a very well balanced.
Yeah, I think it was a shame about the first day.
The games, well, the one game did not live up to the hype.
The other game went about as I expected.
But the Friday was great and some of the other days.
So let's start with the first game, then Jack Spirit versus
Falcons. I think this was an absolute

(33:21):
shit game. I'm just going to put out your
shit and not because. Not because Spirit.
I like spirit so. No, not because Spirit won, it
was shit because Falcons were just fucking awful.
Yeah. I will say they were so bad.
The nuke game, they just didn't show up.
I do think like I'm not sure we're going to comment on the
troopers calling the nuke prep or whatever was was excellent.

(33:48):
It was really, really good. They they just had complete
control of the game, which whichwhich is great to see that
that's quite high levels. Yes, Test 2 should not have been
as close as it probably was. But as you can see by the
ratings, no one really did anything on Falcons.
And Tess has blessed him. Like, that's got to be his last,

(34:08):
last tournament, right? Yeah.
So I think with the new game, I think by contrast to another new
game, and by that I mean the phase Vitality won in the final,
I think the phase Vitality won was a much better showing of
prep work. I think of like hardcore prep

(34:33):
work. I think Spirit just understood
that kicks and bless him, gets slightly confused on Nuke, a
little scared to commit sometimes.
And Chopper was just like, you know what, let's just go like
shit down their throats a littlebit.
And that really helped me. It was, it was a terrible
Teeside. It was a really, really bad
Teeside. And there was there was points

(34:54):
where like, I don't know what you guys would have seen on the
stream, but in the arena we had the screen and then on the side
of the screen, it was really cool.
Actually. They had a camera that went up
the entirety of the team, of each team, and you could just
see like Nico was getting so pissed off.

(35:15):
There was one round he like ran in through Mini, killed the guy
and the rest of the team just didn't come out.
And then I think they all died this way.
Who just sprayed him down? He also had a very good game, by
the way, to his credit. He did, but I think a lot of it
was down to how bad Falcons wereplaying, especially the DOS 2
ace by the way right there the the fucking dusty way Sway got

(35:39):
is one of the just. Should never have gotten.
More than I have ever seen. Yeah, yeah, because it's like
I've seen eco spray downs that were harder.
Like, yes, OK, he he was efficient with bullets.
What the fucking do? But like, how easy were those
flashes to dodge? Well, they, they, they just
didn't shoot back, did they? He.
He Yeah, yeah. Peak.
Right peak, right peak left. How shit was the space in like

(36:02):
what an embarrassing round to lose.
So it was just for me, it was just a miserable game to watch
because it wasn't either team playing particularly well.
I don't think, apart from the the CT half of nuke out spirit.
Like credit where it's due. Like I just didn't think it was
good. And and and on your Tessa's
point, he's so fucking out. Like when Falcons did win

(36:26):
rounds, there was multiple timesthat they all fist bumped and
Tessa's did not get a fist bump like he is.
He's just so out of that team. And I think I might have
messaged you and said it or I said it to to Adam, who was
there doing photography for us at the event.
It just to me, it just feels like Falcons are going to be

(36:52):
like perpetually cursed until they actually get the line up
when no one feels like there's atarget on their back.
And I'm not actually sure when that will be because pesos knew
there was a target on his back. Like he's been wank ever since
Guy Suki came. And he would have known there
was a target even before that, even when he was like playing

(37:14):
well, which he never really was.And he just had a few good maps.
And everyone has like outrageousconfirmation bias and counter
strike. Like how, how do you how do you
expect like especially when the majors of the last event of the
season, how do you expect someone to perform to their best

(37:34):
when they know that nothing theydo matters?
Like Tessa's could have been themajor MVP and he would have been
cut. Well, I think it's the thing
like, is it better to just say, Hey, we're venturing after the
major? Just just so you actually know,
you know, go go make yourself look good, right?
I don't think any professionals going to like throw but like if

(37:58):
you know you're currently. On the no I'm not.
On the, on the, on the shop window like.
I'm not saying he's throwing, but I'm just saying.
No, no, no, no. Nor am I, But I'm saying like,
like it'd be real. Like like think, thinking you're
going to get caught or seeing rumors is probably far more
horrible than just being told. This is just all not with us.
Like I don't even think that helps man.
Like honestly I don't think it helps.

(38:19):
I think there's only so much youcan psych yourself up to do when
you know that it doesn't matter either way, because like if your
Tess says, you know, you ain't going to struggle to get a team,
but you're not you're you're toovaluable of a player in terms of
what you can do. But it but it just showed right,
Like he was just crap. But then also like, you know,

(38:41):
let's let's let's Fast forward to Cologne, OK, Whoever Falcon
springs in, which I think based on what was said on HLTV
confirmed, it's probably Jim Fat.
Like if they aren't the best team in the world is it kicks
in, who's now feeling that way? Well, that's the thing like that

(39:03):
there's always going to be somewhat at fault on this team,
right? And yes, but it'll now be Nico
Wanna see your kicks or or Kasuke because of just the the
name power they bring, right? Yeah.
You're not going to bet like Nikka's haven't been benched.

(39:23):
Monarchies haven't been benched.They've left.
They've they've been bought. Do you know what I mean?
I do. I have opinions on Zonics that I
think we're all aware of, Right.But who else do you get?
That's the other issue. Who do you who?
So I did. I did an interview.

(39:56):
With Maori snake, which for somereason I actually can't see all
of it. The file seems to have fucked
up, but that should be going outtomorrow.
Money sports.net. So I'll I'll put a a comment in
the with the link to it tomorrow, but I asked him about

(40:18):
Falcons. And he he just like was actually
just pretty scathing towards Zarmic in the sense that there
are other coaches that are doinga lot more who who who, you
know, also might not have the five players they want.
Like are you really telling me that Cycrone wants an IGL with a

(40:42):
45% Teesside win rate? I highly fucking doubt it.
And yeah, Sonic is like the onlyone employing the fucking
methods that he does like these No PC boot camps.
Like what the fuck are you? Doing that can't be him that.
Can't get on the server and killsome cunts.

(41:03):
That's no, that's those fucking heebie jeebie fucking mental
coaches, man. No, but like other teams are
fucking heebie jeebie mental coaches.
Like but what fucking witch doctors Sonic have you're out of
you're out. Even how to not get tilted, it's
different than saying yeah, we're just going to go and hang
out for a week. You're out.
Yes. Player plays.
Yes. You're up some like Dick head

(41:25):
fucking psychologist being like,Oh yeah, you got to wake up at
7:00 AM, eat your fucking Cheerios, drink your fucking
apple juice and your fucking protein shake, and then come sit
down here. You're not going to play Counter
Strike. I've not made you wake up to the
thing you're going to enjoy. Instead you're going to watch
some fucking slideshow with Captain America's shield, an
aircraft carrier, and shit tons of jpegs of fire are just as

(41:49):
saying onboarding Caiusu. Get like fuck off.
It is just like. Play the fucking game.
Performative corporate bullshit.On board him in the server.
Yeah. It's so stupid.
Well, it's like teams have been good without doing this for
decades. Why do you think this is the

(42:11):
difference it's going to make? Just play the game.
Maybe it fucking worked with Australis right?
Maybe it worked in 2018 when like, you know, people hadn't
even figured out that if you throw 2 grenades at the same
time, you can do 100 damage. Or like if someone's rushing, if
someone's rushing you and you throw a Molotov, it burns them.
Like people hadn't figured this shit out yet.

(42:32):
Maybe it fucking worked, then all your shit's being figured
out. It's fucking solved like.
It is exception fucking blade. It is just like and like there's
the Sonic tweet of him being like our CS go will never be as
big as homosex right? Like I feel like he is actually
just kind of stuck on the stone ages.
Like everyone moaned and circa came out because evidence
injuries and stuff that. Looks like a caveman.

(42:54):
Sure. You know, now he's kind of done
the opposite. We're like, OK, he finally
adapted to the things in the game, made a team that could use
them, and then hasn't progressedpast that, right?
Again, I still think he's the most frauded coach ever.
Fraud, fraudulent, lots of trophies there.
But I think they would have won him without him to be honest, in

(43:18):
my opinion. I don't know, like it's such an
interesting one with Sonic because like you never know how
much was Glaive. You never know how much was
Sonic. You never know actually just how
much was the arrival of Majesque.
Like Caribbean Dupree did not work on a team together.

(43:41):
Yes, they won a major together, but like they they did get in
each other's way. In the dawn of in the era of
role balance, right? Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't
make that team now with the if you had the pieces on.
Page, but you wouldn't even makeit back then.
Like I think roles were looser back then, but you kind of you

(44:01):
did kind of have two dedicated or three dedicated people as in
like this guy uses big point andclick adventure good.
This guy runs in first and this guy like stands in a shadow like
staring at people like. The hat Man.
The hat man. Do you want to do a flick to

(44:22):
you? Wave your little hat around?
Yeah. I wonder.
If a helicopter, I'm not going to try, but.
No, go on, go on. Before I get back to my point,
give it. Give it 12.
No, it's not. It's a little rigid.
Oh, don't do that. Don't do that.
Yeah, well, no, probably the right colour, actually.

(44:46):
Yeah. So like, roles were still a
thing. It is, is the point.
And they got in each other's way.
So it it could just be magic. I think the interesting part
with Sonic is when you get to Vitality, because Vitality
always spoke a lot about their plan to peak for Paris, and that

(45:10):
clearly worked. So Zonic clearly has something
because I imagine a lot of that plan came from him.
But just before that, there was a point where Apex said that he
said to Zonic that Zonic needs to let him call his way.
You know, Apex very much took over the system there.

(45:32):
So I will never call Zonic a fraud.
Like the guy's a five times fucking major winner for fuck's
sake. You do win them.
But the. Players All right, so you got a
trophy on Steam. All right, he won a major before
majors were real. There we go, right?
Paris doesn't count. Also one of the majors against

(45:54):
the Vanguard did. The one was against ants.
Right. We're not doing this.
I'm just saying if we've got a retcon.
So they only played one team, did they?
Right. Yeah.
OK, cool. Yeah.
The point is not sure Sonic's a fraud, but also not sure how
legit is the next court final? Please Charlie Sir, this one

(46:20):
will be very brief because it was a very brief viewing
experience. Vitality absolutely finger
blasted the Mongols controllers.Mate, these aren't really good
enough, are you? You're just not.
You're not Senzu. You never will be.
Also, no one was good on that game.

(46:40):
No, they weren't. Apart from my goat Mozin, yeah,
no. No, no they weren't.
But like Control S is noticeablyworse and he started both maps
without getting killed for a very long time.
But this game, I just didn't want to talk about it.
It was fucking boring. Do you want to talk about a a
thing that Mozinho revealed though and I actually spoke

(47:02):
about. I actually spoke to JL about
this, he just didn't see the message.
Poor guy. But before controllers, the
Mongols were trying to get magics and JL, meaning they're
now confident enough with their English to communicate in

(47:27):
English for an extended period of time.
Will the Mongols be the next team to go somewhat
international? Maybe.
I'm very curious to see how Asian CS translates
internationally though a lot like, I think this is maybe just

(47:51):
kind of speculation, but I just,I don't know how well like like
European cultures, should we say?
Right? Kind of obviously there's
nationality differences, right? But I think generally like
there's kind of an aligned culture or whatever, right?

(48:13):
Like a team of a European mix team is kind of fine.
I wonder if importing from I guess it's the East West of
what? Right?
Important from Western like Western players.
Into the Indian team, I feel like it's.
Make a difference? I think it may do.
No I agree but I feel like it's more likely that I think it

(48:35):
would either have to be someone they know very well because they
see them all the events like a Magics or AJL or maybe a Chinese
player who speaks better English.
Yeah, or like a Kazak for example, right.
Like that's kind of you still geographically pretty.
Yeah, I think that. The thing is also like a an org

(48:57):
called the Mongols, like a just read.
Obviously they're never going togo like majority anything other
than Mongolian, Are they really?You don't.
Like not majority, definitely not majority, but you know, we
did wouldn't see. But also like like that.
Made in. Brazil, but that rear atom team
remember with like fozy and fucking some other.

(49:19):
I try not to. But right like like that just
never gonna last because you just, you're barely on that team
you'd like, you just you're not culturally taught in the team.
You're always going to feel likethe 5th man to the mean, like a
standing period, like jail. I think it'd be a laugh, and it
might. Have done a bit.
Better but yeah, you'd also likeyou would just have like a fan

(49:41):
base. Like not they don't have a fan
base, but JL is probably the most marketable player,
marketable player in CSI think just personality wise, not even
like in game. So if you can get with the
standing or signing, it's probably what happened.
Yeah. Falcons JL.

(50:02):
Yeah, I'm down. All right.
Next quarter final I believe is Fury and Navi.
It is. It is Fury Navi.
This is the heartbreak, I think yeah, that's when it all went
wrong. It was Navi played excellently
and this is this is where prep just is on Fury didn't didn't

(50:24):
really hit the room running, I'll be honest, but but Navi
just played this excellently andto beat Fury on train as as well
as they did seriously like like after this game.
I I had a lot of faith in argument in the whole thing.
No. So did I.
And a reminder, by the way, the last time that those two teams
met on train, it was 13 one to Furia at the end of a reverse

(50:49):
sweep. Yeah.
Like. Lesson learned.
I so obviously a few players hada rough series here and it
probably should have even been too low if Navi didn't throw
that clutch against Fallen whichI missed because I thought he

(51:09):
was fucking saving so I just went on my phone.
That finna game though, that waslike, if you haven't watched it,
watch the board because that that was just like what majors
the S? Yeah, yeah.
Like it was just, it's just a really beautiful game.
Just just awesome great gracias.I think I just think this this

(51:32):
result is interesting because like Fury were vast favourites,
they got out prepped to oblivion.
Maybe they peaked too early but they like they got fucking dog
done in this game. I know.
You made a really good point. And then you just write about

(51:54):
the Yukinda Monodoy. No, sorry, the Monodoy Wonderful
battle and obviously wonderful didn't play as good in the final
as he had in this game story as he did throughout the event.
But I think. How did they head to head end
up? No details actually.
Pretty favorable for wonderful. Performance.

(52:18):
Let's see. 10/10. OK, even 1010.
But even that, right? That is like better than most
orphans. Yeah, against.
Him it's better than most orphans do.
And yeah, I mean, it was it was why I highlighted it in in the
newsletter, because it's just a case of, oh, OK, he had more

(52:42):
wonderful had moral kills. Well, it's it's just like if you
can take that away and wonderfulmight be the best a quick player
to do that and Fury are 10 timesweaker.
I was still really surprised by it, but it made me believe in
Navi and that was that was a funthing to have going into the

(53:03):
semi finals. Yeah, I've got to.
I've got to ask. Yeah, go on.
We can, we can do. But yeah, before we get into the
last quarterfinal, of the eight teams in the quarters, how many
do you think are making a rostermove within the next let's well,

(53:26):
let's say before the season starts or you know, before
before crack out like I could 5:00 I could see I should say
six or seven. I.
Think 5. I don't think vitality will make
a change. No, they shouldn't.

(53:46):
I don't think Fury will make a change.
Striker, for some reason you sayunconfirmed, you think Alexi B's
out of Navi. I can't understand that.
But I think Navi could make a change.
Yeah, but it's the thing like ifAlexi's out, you're going to
have it in a calling probably right, and actually goes to

(54:07):
Falcons. I feel like it's the move that
makes sense. I mean, I do know for a fact
someone is out of Navi, I'm justnot going to say who.
Tell me that later. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll fucking
message it right now. Like it.

(54:30):
I mean, it makes sense, Jack, ifyou see the.
Oh, yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, I know someone is out of
Navi, OK. OK, so.
But whether they make a change now you can figure it out for
yourselves. Clever listeners, Yeah, Mao is.
They're definitely using gym forthat, right?
And I think there's another player on the team who's

(54:51):
probably these needs to this what I'm saying, really,
Vitality and Furia were the onlytwo teams in this playoffs who I
think had have confidence in their roster right now.
Yeah, I mean we've, we've spiritlike.
I don't want them to, but I feellike they just do need to.

(55:12):
And they they have to start looking past Chopper like he's
just not good. It's cadaver, I won't mind it.
The the calling against Vitalitywas offensively bad, and to
fair, it wasn't exactly great onjust two against Falcons.
No, but. I think Falcons we know Tesla's

(55:33):
is gone. He like he just is probably for
Jim Fat I reckon. Phase like we will talk about
them probably in the in me talk about the game, but obviously
Jacob didn't really I. Mean I think.
His his his friend did. He I think with phase like it

(55:56):
could be the frozen has interestagain.
Maybe they like, maybe they still cut Brokey before
progression to the mean. Yeah.
Mouse like you know, phase got brokey just towards he go there
probably not because phase broke, but maybe the roll bit

(56:16):
money helps. If I'm mouse, even if I'm losing
gym fat, I'm still looking at Brollan and I'm thinking there's
probably something there. But the Mongols will get rid of
controllers. So I think a lot of these teams
will make change. And I saw I saw a tweet earlier
some guys saying, yeah, so something about like the roster.

(56:45):
This roster Mania will be reallyboring and it's like, mate, if
you'd heard the things I'd this will not be pouring WrestleMania
and there might be some things that take a little bit of time
based on what I've heard. That's also the thing like I
don't think it's going to be as cut and dry as this is the this
is the player break before next year.
This is what happens. Like, yeah, I think, I think we

(57:08):
will have trickle down. Well, I mean it wasn't that last
year, right? Like the player break ended, we
had blast bounty mouse lost their first game and then Ben
shoot it like. Yeah, I wish.
I wish we had. I do wish we had a transfer
window, transfer deadline. I think it would be fun.
I kind of do as well. Yeah, that's what final face

(57:30):
mouse. Face Mouse Mouse.
Yeah, Mouse did shit the bed in this one, didn't they?
I. Think for Torgy really.
But but what? What can you do?
Really Massive voice from Mr. Mr. Stalkans as well, but yeah,

(57:53):
I don't know. Yeah, I mean, look, it was fun
to see Brokie play at Brokie's level again.
I'd like to point out Jacob wasn't great, positive, but you
know, it wasn't great. Do you know who was bad?
Hey. Carrigan again.

(58:16):
Yeah, but I'm not going to criticize him in this game
because I think he did. Yeah, no, he did.
I mean positions. Was it not a big game player
bro? Was it this one?
Was it this game where there wasthere was dead smokes outside on
Nuke and Carrigan just walk through it I think that was.

(58:39):
Against Navi. But was that against Navi?
But over the way, like the distraction that caused, just
let them split the upper bomb side and like, you get nothing
for that if you're Kerrigan stats wise.
But that play, Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Kept the team outside and won them the round.

(58:59):
So like, I'm, I'm not going to criticize Kerrigan.
For this I'm I'm just. I don't think.
Really. Yeah.
But this was this was very poor from from us very.
Very it was terrible for Mouse and I think it just summed up
everything about them like they just need to they do need to
make changes in order to go to the next level.

(59:21):
Like Cyclone needs some help in the brain department because he
ain't getting it from Brolin andmaybe assertion.
He calls a lot of CT sides. He is.
He was described to me as the real captain of the team or the
most captain like. Which does make sense.

(59:42):
Brolin's very stoic, very quiet,like even most reader standards.
He's he's very reserved. And I just feel like that's not
really leadership. Yeah, so so who who knows what
the future has in store for Mouse, but was very
disappointing by the way they played semi final time.

(01:00:03):
Yep, I got a semi. I bet you didn't watching this
one and Vitality smack spirit. Well, no spirit through mirage
massively, particularly one round with chopper plants for
calm and messy swing. Short it it just actually, I
don't know whether there's a miscom whatever, just really,

(01:00:23):
really not good. Mesi also is the most important
player on fidelity. I have no qualms in in saying
that. Not the best, but the most
important I think. I'm not sure that's true, but he
has a shit ton of impact in a game like that and he's like

(01:00:44):
incredibly stable, incredibly smart.
That was seen throughout playoffs.
He's just really good. I also like I think it's
interesting to say that spirit through Mirage because I think
one person free mirage like sway.

(01:01:04):
I don't really blame him, it's just regression to the meme for
Sway. Like he's just not actually.
Yeah, the the The thing is. Ever going to be given that
system? This is a lost Mirage and the
way Donk walked off stage literally crying.
From the looks of it they would.That series is over.
Like I also like like The thing is as well, if they won, Mirage

(01:01:29):
does too is probably a closer game.
They either win it or they win the thin up.
I honestly thought they could have won and they would have of
course beaten the phase in the final.
This was really bad. Charlie, pull up spirits map win
rates please. You need to click on stats.

(01:01:54):
Stop being a stat Andy bro. They first pick dust and have a
63% win rate and I'm pretty surethat was lower before the major.
Yeah, not great. Is it like their entire game
plan is just we need dunk to kill and if he doesn't we're

(01:02:17):
fucked? That is a poor reflection on
chopper but also in mirage or onmirage.
Chopper tried to run the same strap like 6 times in 1/2 and I
don't think it worked once. Maybe they got one round win.

(01:02:40):
I think they got crappy a splitslike it just.
It's also. Several T side calling.
Dust too. I know Anders made a video about
this divide actually on Twitter.Maybe you can embedded jolly in
the video later. But talking about spirits so
often hit the B bomb so and dusttoo without the door smoke and

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they have like a 30% chance of winning it.
And like, obviously smoking is better, right?
But even teams who don't, who don't smoke it are still having
like 50% like it's 5050. But they went around like I
don't know if it's a spacing thing or just like there's too
much trust on on OK, Don gets tokill.

(01:03:24):
And also when they do that, Don's also looking through mid,
which I think doesn't really make sense in terms of like a
dry hit into an open site. Seems a bad choice, really.
Yeah. I mean, Tanil looked better at
this tournament generally, so I do think like, he's obviously
sticking around. I wonder if Zondix is on his way
back. Won't fix her issues if he is.

(01:03:47):
That's what I was going to say. I don't think that that actually
solves it. I, I really like Chopper, but I
just, I just don't know if, if, if, if, if he's got well, the,
the call. Out I'm not really funny.
I find enjoyment of Chopper fucking mental because it's not

(01:04:09):
even like he has a fucking personality for you to latch on
to. It's not like Jane posting
fucking like philosophical bullshit on Telegram like he's
got no personal. All he's got is the fucking
thumbs up photo and everyone's like, no.
He's just, no, he's. Just so good.
He's just lovely. He's really nice.
He's really. Nice.
Grow warp. Grow warp.

(01:04:29):
OK. There's a lot of players who are
really nice. If they're fucking shit, they're
fucking shit. But if they were that bad they
wouldn't be the semi final. There's also cut point.
Right. Do you see the name at the top
of their scoreboard? No.
No, are you aware of what he didthis major?
This is why I hate Spirit. This is why I'm so aggressive

(01:04:50):
about them. Dunk had his best major yet and
they went out in the semi final basically without a fucking
whimper. No, they, they, they were, were
doing very, very good on Mirage until they went to Seaside.
Like, don't say that. That's incorrect.

(01:05:10):
I don't think it is. Oh, they were doing very good
until they weren't. Like what?
They had six match points I'm pretty sure.
Oh, it wasn't good that. Through, which is bad, but
obviously they were. Going to win.
They did for them. Well, they were going to win the
series, wouldn't they? They played properly.
No they probably weren't, they'dhave lost us 2 all the same.

(01:05:34):
Playing against the most resilient team in counter strike
sound Yeah cool. Like that's nonsense.
Intangible like you cannot have.I mean also Shiro deserves some
shit for how shitty played in that series but you cannot have
Donk doing what Donk is doing and not winning all the fucking

(01:05:57):
time. Imagine if Donk was on a.
Real team all the time man. It's like that's an unreasonable
expectation. Even for a play that good, it's
unreasonable. Charlie, can you go on
Vitality's Likipedia? Yeah, yeah, they went all the
time for a bit and then they stopped.
For six months, Jack. Why can't Spirit do that?
It's because the team's shit. Because they've got shit IGL

(01:06:18):
that put everything. Imagine right.
Imagine if Donk had a real IGL with a real system.
But who? Who actually?
Who fixes them? Boom.
Which is like is like the Messiah.
Mate, get him to fuck off to an international team like genuine
just free him from this dog shit, free him from this dog

(01:06:39):
shit calling that he has to fucking deal with and like this
shit meant oh shit I like this game.
Fuck off Shiro. What you mean you like this
game? I fuck.
He, I think Chopper clutched, I think is what happened and he
was just like laughing about. It I don't give a fuck, I don't
care. Give Dunk a serious team or fuck

(01:07:02):
off. I think this team, this team is
one of the major a cattle and a Cologne.
Like they don't. I know this your point is that
we should win more, but like they're still a successful team.
I just think it's. Dunk has won them a major, a
Cologne and a cattle and a Magics over performance in the
final of one of them. Like this team hasn't won Focal

(01:07:25):
Dunk has, let's be clear on that.
It's why Vitality, because Vitality are a serious team with
actual role balance and a real IGL and.
They have. Better players across their
role. Every of the best players in the
world, like, like, I don't know what you the course, they're

(01:07:51):
going to be good. Are you saying it's the third?
Flames. OK fine, fine.
I was just good. Well, like Flames is the second
best over in the world after Dunk, right?
But. Like.
Sorry, I know Drops who is the best rifler in the world I

(01:08:12):
think. But spirit best.
Closer. Teniri's ridiculously good like.
Like that last week, you weren'tsaying that, but.
No, I really rate Tener is really good, like Shiro is
really good. Get a serious IGL, get a fifth
player that makes sense and Spirit absolutely can do what do

(01:08:39):
what Vitality did. They're just.
I mean, I'd love to say I like the team, so I'd hope I'd, I
hope so I just. They are just leagues behind
Vitality. I don't know if an IGL change
fixes them. No, you have to change two
players. OK.
But I'm I'm saying with the caveat that Zontex is also back.

(01:09:01):
I think you probably still have to change two players.
But who else? Jared.
Uncle Tania. No Zontex.
For who, whom, whom? Whom is there?
Well, there's plenty of players in the Russian speaking world,
Jack. And who are you getting to?
To survivors like the best player on the TO2 Russian team.

(01:09:22):
Yeah, but like they made an anchor lurk it into an anchor
bombsight entry. Yeah.
And like what's become very apparent is he's actually really
anti stratable as an anchor. He plays so many 1 and dumpers
that actually became a talking point over the major that he

(01:09:43):
started playing different positions a lot more because he
was just getting fried in the same positions all the time.
Like so there are players they can get to get better role
balance. I feel like we do this every
week at this point so I don't want to continue but like fuck

(01:10:04):
team spirit. Fuck team spirit of a semi final
phase Narvi. It's a good game.
This is this. We could see us.
This is when I started getting concerned that phase were going
to win the major. I I knew they.
Were playing, I knew they were playing Vitality and they had no
fucking chance. How did you feel after shipping

(01:10:26):
ahead to to the final afternoon?How did you feel?
Did you believe last? No.
OK. I don't think you understand how
high my faith is in vitality. I mean, yeah, they just, they
just, they just play it right down there.
This is another series though. Like this just could have been a

(01:10:47):
too old to not be. Yeah, yeah.
And probably, you know, maybe should have been.
Yeah, a kind of a throw to be onTBH.
Ridiculously, I mean twists. May Blade do something on
Inferno that I've never ever seen Blade.
Do you know the the One V3 that he got on the A side with the D

(01:11:10):
eagle? Do you see the clip of Blade's
face afterwards? No.
He just, like, shrugged and nodded in appreciation.
All right. And like, yeah, I mean, that's
not even like you. You haven't even misplayed that.
You've just been. Well.
Scaled on. It's yeah, no, me and Adam were
saying it's such a great round of counter strike because like

(01:11:33):
there's only oh good, you've gotyou've got Blade who like is
just an incredible coach, great at prep, great at anti striing,
great at building systems in that round.
There is nothing no amount of prep can ever do.
Like the only thing that saves them from losing that round is

(01:11:56):
A1 tap or a Molotov. Yeah.
If you don't have that twist just wins it.
It's why Counter Strike is the elite E sport.
It's also like like the dunk thing, right?
You can't actually strike a guy who's just going to kill 3 of
you around, do you know what I mean?
Yeah, shut the fuck out The restof the team, which is which we
saw, but yeah, I I get what you're saying.

(01:12:20):
Like you can't account for acts of God, should we say?
Yeah, but yeah, just a great game of counts, right?
Just. Was was this the only ancient in
the playoffs? I think it was right.
Yes. Because vitality don't play it.

(01:12:43):
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, and Makazi had a great time.
Makazi had a really good time onthat map.
I'm starting to like really quite like Makazi as a player I
think. He's very good.
It kind of pains me to admit that he's really good, but he
just is. Why is it pain you?
I just don't really want him to to be great.

(01:13:05):
I don't know something about him, right?
OK. OK, I just think why couldn't I
have been 17 and really good at the game?
Should I mean it's, it's just envy, I guess.
OK, Fair enough. All right.
Yeah, that's it really. We should talk about the final.

(01:13:27):
I'm quite confused by that, but yeah, final.
I believed, I did believe off the nuke and then reality set
my. Game.
Yeah. I mean, fuck, fuck face.
Genuinely, fuck face. Before we get into anything,
Charlie, go on to Jacob's stats page.
Oh, OK, I'm having my minute. I'm having my minute.

(01:13:49):
Yeah, I'm just going. To look how good look how good
everyone's GOAT was when he played against real teams.
He's dad. What's he had?
One good map against Vitality ina fucking beer.
One group say well done, lad. Right Mouse, Yeah.
Played like shit. Navi.
One good map, Yeah, it's my talent in the final.

(01:14:10):
One decent map and fucking dog shit afterwards.
You know, I had everyone there on fucking Twitter telling me
how can you not tell Jacob? He's a really good player now.
You should be able to tell he's going to 1.25 rating.
Ends the major on like a fucking1.03 rating.
Get fucked, get fucked. Let's see how Phase are in
January when fucking Brokie remembers that he's shit at the

(01:14:32):
game and can't be asked half thetime or whatever the fuck's.
Going brokie was quite fun in the playoffs, though.
Oh, he's great to watch, becausewhen Brokie's good, he's great
to watch. But half the time he forgets
where his fucking mouse 2 buttonis and I just watch him shoot
into a ball and then he can go fuck himself and like Jacob,
like, fuck, get real, man. He's just not good.

(01:14:54):
He's not good. I just got I cannot wait for IEM
Krakow phase clown out fucking night 12th and I just got to
fucking sit here there. Might be a stage.
Knowing I was right, even better.
They get free social. But yeah, but they get free

(01:15:17):
social. But this is also the thing as
well is is phase. They almost didn't make you free
search on the major like I think, I think we have to keep
having. They shouldn't have.
They shouldn't have. Like yeah they they would set
like milliseconds from from not being in the major anymore.
If history was a good fucking play, this genuinely pisses me
off about that. If I'm in that situation in a

(01:15:38):
game, I don't think there's everbeen a time where I didn't
realize I had the smoke. It's kind of the first thing you
check when you, when you. I feel like when the bomb's
down, it's like, oh do. It off the smoke.
If he fucking smokes that there,he eliminates phase from the
major and we never have this run, but instead phase win that
they probably see how close it is and then they get this like

(01:16:01):
fucking like magic buff some like fucking puppeteer trickery
fucking doing some bullshit thatjust gives some crazy momentum
because they had a dance with death and then they get to like
go all the way to the final and some miracle bullshit.
Everyone knows. Oh, Fazer back Fazer good.
Now they've got it all figured out now.

(01:16:22):
And yeah, in some places they doput Jacob in better positions.
I'll give them credit for that. And I also think the Carrigan
outside on nuke thing kind of interesting.
We'll see how that works out long term.
I don't really back it. We'll see how it works out long
term because I think eventually he could get.
Fucked. Yeah, they will be.
Shit. Next year they will be shit.

(01:16:45):
Would it have been? It wouldn't have been good at
phase one, but it would have been a good story.
No, fuck that. OK Fuck fuck fuck.
The idea of it being a good story where it starts with
fucking history. Bloody hell.
Yeah, yeah, I know. That was poor.
Wait, when it starts with history just being shit at the

(01:17:06):
game, like that's not a good story.
That's a fucking, it's a fuckingnightmare.
That's all that is, mate. Yeah.
Like it's not a good story. Yeah, I mean.
I hope they lose. I hope they fucking lose Frozen.
I really do. They don't deserve Frozen.
No, honestly, I don't think anyone does.

(01:17:26):
He's too good. As a bloke, as a player.
Either or really. Yeah, I mean, he's a really.
Top, top, top. Yeah, he's just.
Really, really sound. The rest of the final, there's
not much to talk about, is there?
I mean, there's the messy round on Inferno.

(01:17:49):
Yeah, that. We're good that we're good.
That was. I just mean generally it's but
how you just said pick a hole and went to town.
Do you know what I mean? All right, I I interviewed messy
afterwards and I like we were already like joking around.

(01:18:10):
I just said to him like. Because you're both in the same
place. It is, yeah.
I was like that Inferno round. And the actual question just
says that inferno around where you're shitting yourself a
little bit. And he he was just like, yeah, I
just, I didn't know when to shoot.
I'm really glad I waited or something like that.
It's just like to hold your composure there, like what a boy

(01:18:33):
can we what a boy producer. Charlie, can we?
Can we, can we? I love him so much.
You'd have to find the on style out of Twitter, Charlie.
And it wouldn't be on the actualTV highlights.
No, it's not. I know this because I've put
this in about 5 articles already.
You. That's it, didn't you?
I really did. I was so gassed.
I think, yeah, let's watch it. It's like the next one.

(01:18:58):
Yeah, that one. Let's watch it for the sake of
it. Go on.
Because also while I'm playing here, I never get this chance.
No, right? It's mental bang, everything
gets the trade at the end of theround.
What a player, what a player. He's just, he's so fantastic.
I'm really sorry for audio listeners right now because
you've got no value out of the last fucking.

(01:19:21):
That was also crazy by Robs as well, by the way.
There's the fucking composure there, like.
Robs. Is I was already confident.
Really good. I was already confident anyway.
I was like, yeah, Phase have gottheir one map at least like it's
not a free O final because that would have been a bad reflection
on Bo Fives just fucking I had no no.

(01:19:45):
Yeah, but the next three months were basically 1 1/2 games and
they really so. Yeah, it's just but.
It was also just sad. It was just a.
Like I'm really happy with five finals, but if over fast was
that performance like you may aswell, you may as well just wrap

(01:20:07):
it up up to three. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah. Good major, though.
Good Major. So the question is mm hmm.
Which one in Cologne? Are they the best team of all
time? You're taking a longer pause.
And I thought. I'm thinking about it properly.

(01:20:32):
OK, well please talk poor viewers.
Out No, I know I'm just this is actually you've stumped me
because I guess the alternative is, is Australis right?
I think so. Elliott would say 2021 Navi
because he's a fucking idiot, but.
Yeah, that's why he's not on theshow.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, he, he thinks bit is the most talented
player to ever play the game. It's like donkey's right there

(01:20:54):
mate, Like. When his knuckles aren't on the
floor. In Alexis lap being shaved.
I think there might be, and I think if 2026 they continue on
75% of this form, then I think that's that that is the

(01:21:17):
cementing it because I think thepoint you make right, like a
Charles, like that era of dominance was in was in an era
of people. Like the level of CS right now
is, is the best it's ever been. Every team is so technically
deep or tactically deep, I should say, and individuals are
so much better than they were back then.
Like, yeah, because I would dropto the same team like that is

(01:21:40):
that that is just. This is this is the thing.
Right. So on a on a base level, if you
want to do the objective numbersthings, Australis in one year,
calendar year, 10 tournaments, one major.
Vitality 9 tournaments, 2 majors.

(01:22:02):
For me, I take 9 tournaments andtwo majors personally.
Is it? Is it 9 + 2 or two two out of
the 9? Are no including including two,
Yeah. Yeah.
So less overall wins, but two more important wins, should we
say Yeah? Neither of those include a
Cologne for the sake. Yeah, and and also.

(01:22:26):
Both include a Cato. Australia's I don't beat 11
real. Team both don't include a Cato.
Actually, only vitalities includes Cato.
No. Cato Major, 2019.
We're talking 2018. OK.
Well then sure if that's the year you're taking.

(01:22:47):
Yeah, but I thought the installers era was kind of.
No, but we're talking calendar year, so.
OK, but no, I think, I think youthis transcends years.
I don't like, I don't think you make them the best team by how
they. Would no, no, but like I'm
saying that as like an objectivenumbers metric, like of course
you then go further. With this, you can't look at

(01:23:08):
these things objectively like. This but that is sorry is
objective no, but the the the number of trophies they won in a
year is objective Jack just to be no.
That is but but whether that makes them the best team in the
world of all time, I don't. Think I'm not saying no, I'm not
saying it might be indicators. But I just don't think, yeah.
It's indicative exactly, but youcan then factor in the other
Australis major. You could then also factor in

(01:23:29):
with Australis like there was a mini era inside their era, like
liquids kind of is undeniable for that.
Australis didn't really go into that third major as the
favourites. I'm not saying Vitality went
into this major as the favourites, but I don't think
they let it slip for long enough.

(01:23:49):
And the thing, the thing with Vitality as well is the
criticism that they've been getting outside of the Matt Paul
stuff. The Matt Paul stuff is valid and
they will tell you that the criticism they've been getting
is such horseshit that oh right damn it, you don't win anything
anymore. They have literally not finished
below the semi finals, 4th of anything all year probably.

(01:24:17):
Maybe blast bounty at the start of the year Maybe.
Yeah. Didn't they lose?
I? I don't know.
They lost. To us, to a roar there.
I thought, yeah, that sounds about right.
Yeah. I mean, I think it's probably.
Yeah, quarter final. Reasonable to say, I think that

(01:24:39):
run last year was pretty undeniable.
And again, like, I think they'redominant in an era where there
are far more teams who can challenge right from the
Australis to era. There was one team who was close
and they they also then had thatmany era within their era,
right. So it's kind of.

(01:25:00):
Yeah. And I think the the
competitiveness, the competitiveness is something
really important to talk about. It's another intangible right
that you kind of have to just understand to make that
argument. Like a lot of the teams hadn't
reached their final form yet. Like Australis for the most part

(01:25:23):
we're dealing with liquid, with Taco not stewing.
They were dealing with simple with fucking Zeus and Edward and
Flamey. The phase we're going through
the Carrigan is a bad IGL thing.Fucking MRBR existed and we're

(01:25:44):
going American. The cloud nine died after
winning the major. Like VP were dead like 2018.
That wasn't really like Charlie.Go to September 2018.
We're a Charles, the Aurora of 2018.
Like look at this back N with the sick vice team in the world.

(01:26:10):
Like come on man, look at. This, this, this sort of era is
when I started till till they are, I think.
But look at these fucking top 10Manages mental hell, raises A10
that mouse. Team was awesome.
That mouse team was good, Yeah, like get right still on Nick.
He couldn't fucking play at thatpoint.

(01:26:32):
But I think, I think when you look at this, there is just
there is absolutely no way to look at and.
Actually, we're still on ends, yeah.
To look at this and yeah, there's some credit for them
like, you know, revolutionizing counter strike, but fuck off.
Look at what they did it againstcompared to vitality.

(01:26:54):
Like if if that happened today, like the other teams would
figure it out in three months and shit down a Charlotte's
throat. Maybe not, but like I like.
That phrase, it's really gross. What?
Shit down their throat that's. Nice yucky.
No, I won't make a joke. It's fine, but look at this with

(01:27:15):
X seven, third in the world. When's this?
March 29th. Is this after winning Cato
Charlie? I assume it is.
You can like slow all up and down.
If it is, he's typed, yes. Yeah, but NTS third in the
world. Fuck up, get right.
Still on Nip and they're 6th. Renegades are 8th My question

(01:27:40):
Like fucking 28th. Now he's have a drained man.
Like fuck off. Fuck it, we really are blessed.
Anybody who sort of came in to see us like.
Oh mate, no, sorry, sorry. I've got to pause you.
I'm not. I'm not stopping talking because
I don't talk about this team. No, no no.
For audio listeners, no. Charlie has clicked on a Cloud

(01:28:03):
19 that is Keo Rush, Automatic voice and Golden.
Please carry on, Jack Fucking. No, I just, I was waiting like I
didn't want to win this team. I just didn't want to
acknowledge that they existed. OK, sorry mate.
Yeah, Vitality it. Was gross.

(01:28:23):
Vitality, congratulations, you are the greatest team of all
time. I think.
Revel in your IAM Cologne 2026 major win.
If they win Cologne A, it's a clone B, it's the third major in
a row. I think that it's, it's
completely undeniable. I think it's undeniable anyway,
and I think anyone who does try to deny it is coping.

(01:28:45):
It yes, but you know hammer hammer at home.
Do you know what I? Mean like I, I think there's
something you can say for judging things within the
context of their era. Like that was quite an
interesting thing that it was foreign.
Moses Richard Lewis and someone else did a few years ago when

(01:29:07):
they made that time travel land sponge.
Was it OK? Charlie said it was sponge.
Like that was really interesting.
And I think that is an interesting conversation, But I
think the era actually reflects better for vitality than it does
for Australis. So best team full time.

(01:29:28):
And with that, Jack, you were going to ask who's winning
Cologne. I've said mine.
Who are you saying? And if you say spirit, I will
come to Cardiff and strangle you.
I don't. Live with Cardiff, my stocks
attempt idiot. Well, I said Cardiff because
it's roundabout, not going to say you're actual addressing.

(01:29:50):
Birmingham For you, though, it'sjust like.
Yeah, exactly. You could come to Birmingham and
threaten me. Come to.
Birmingham. Yeah, come to some of it.
Come from a bit Birmingham. That's for the energy.
I actually do live closer to Smithwick, just a doctor.
Sorry, might be, might be, mightbe vitality I no vitality spirit

(01:30:19):
back-to-back colognes. Hear it here first.
Fuck off Charlie. Don't know mate.
Click on the team. You think?
Maybe maybe maybe new Navi? Oh, he's giving it a little 12.
Oh, Charlie's gone for Falcons winning the next major.
And with that, Charlie is. Not like, oh, yeah, I think, I

(01:30:40):
think I think that's the best place to leave it.
We're going to fuck off for a couple weeks because the next
episode will be Christmas Eve and the one after that is New
Year's Eve. And honestly, if you're watching
this podcast on either one of those days.
Yeah, we appreciate all your. Views.
I won't say that because. It's fucking come on.
Yeah, get a fucking grip. Like I could get it.

(01:31:03):
I could get it on the New Year'sEve one, because maybe you watch
it New Year's Day, you hang in. You want to hear like?
Whoever want that? Yeah, I don't.
I don't really. Yeah.
No. If I'm one of those two days you
intend to watch us talk. One, I'm sorry.
Two, I'm sorry for your existence.
With that, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.

(01:31:27):
Thanks for bloody watching. I'm Sam.
He's Jack. Charlie does clicking and
editing and James makes thumbnails and we're going to
fuck off now. Bye.